It’s non stop

Here is CNN: https://www.cnn.com/

Here is Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/

CNN chooses the story where armed right wingers are featured. They have links to “charges against officers aren’t enough”, “police are abusing people” and their typical anti-trump firehose

Fox repeatedly refers solely to all of this as riots and looting. Sole reference to the word “protest” is in the link to the story about how protestors tried to prevent a child from being rescued

Wake. Up.
You’re being used as a pawn. And it’s getting harder and harder to recognize it. You need the people around you to help recognize your own unconscious bias, take a moment and imagine that the person you think is a s%#tstick on this forum might actually be right, even if just a little bit. You might be surprised at what kind of doors it opens.

At least they both have the decency to encrypt the session you use to read their crap.

this is why i start my news day with the BBC world service then bounce around to see whats being covered or Not .. Most conservatives think anyone who doesn't agree with them must be watching MSNBC the Fox equivalent . as their only source of news ... and any link from any other actual news source other than fox is labeled as Fake News ..

Rational people can not make inroads with people who's Ideas of the world are boxed off from the reality around them.. and validlated by Trump for a vote Lie or truth whatever works thats his motto

I get my news from The Onion.
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this is why i start my news day with the BBC world service then bounce around to see whats being covered or Not .. Most conservatives think anyone who doesn't agree with them must be watching MSNBC the Fox equivalent . as their only source of news ... and any link from any other actual news source other than fox is labeled as Fake News ..

Rational people can not make inroads with people who's Ideas of the world are boxed off from the reality around them.. and validlated by Trump for a vote Lie or truth whatever works thats his motto

I feel like ever since Trump took over CNN has become the Fox equivalent, and intentionally at that.
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I get my news from The Onion.
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Consistent with the rest
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I feel like ever since Trump took over CNN has become the Fox equivalent, and intentionally at that.
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I agree :kewl: But Trump has no issues providing an endless stream BS over a Fox they just made #^&#^&#^&#^& up about the last POTUS and do the same with this one , for the same viewers

It’s non stop

Here is CNN: https://www.cnn.com/

Here is Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/

CNN chooses the story where armed right wingers are featured. They have links to “charges against officers aren’t enough”, “police are abusing people” and their typical anti-trump firehose

Fox repeatedly refers solely to all of this as riots and looting. Sole reference to the word “protest” is in the link to the story about how protestors tried to prevent a child from being rescued

Wake. Up.
You’re being used as a pawn. And it’s getting harder and harder to recognize it. You need the people around you to help recognize your own unconscious bias, take a moment and imagine that the person you think is a s%#tstick on this forum might actually be right, even if just a little bit. You might be surprised at what kind of doors it opens.

True.

At least they both have the decency to encrypt the session you use to read their crap.


Is this a dig at not running a cert here with no SSL enabled?

True.




Is this a dig at not running a cert here with no SSL enabled?

Lol, I’m sorry, I didn’t even think about that/notice it/check it when I wrote this. It was intended to represent the only thing they seem to have in common is security. I promise I wouldn’t go that low on you given all you do to connect us as a community. That’d be some harsh s$&t right there.

That being said, if you’d ever like some help getting that set up, I’d be happy to see if my assistance makes some kind of difference. Now that you’ve brought it up I’m just staring at the triangle in my Chrome browser address bar :)
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Lol, I’m sorry, I didn’t even think about that/notice it/check it when I wrote this. It was intended to represent the only thing they seem to have in common is security. I promise I wouldn’t go that low on you given all you do to connect us as a community. That’d be some harsh s$&t right there.

That being said, if you’d ever like some help getting that set up, I’d be happy to see if my assistance makes some kind of difference. Now that you’ve brought it up I’m just staring at the triangle in my Chrome browser address bar :)
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Hahaha. I have a new server to migrate to, new forum software, and will put on a cert ; ) .

Hahaha. I have a new server to migrate to, new forum software, and will put on a cert ; ) .

Deal
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tough day for the leftist insurrection yesterday....every time they get rolling down hill to destroy America they hit a big speed bump and America pushes pack....great job numbers....stock market liked it...parts of America suffering democrat dictatorship continue to destroy themselves...can't wait till they demand bailouts:rotf2: guess the left is gonna have to work even harder to destroy the economy and turn supporters against the president


In a development that is sure to baffle the mainstream media and liberal elites, President Donald Trump appears to have gained an unprecedented approval rating among black voters of 41% including 25% who “strongly support” Trump. :uhuh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2N2w4d0N0w

Oops

When the U.S. government’s official jobs report for May came out on Friday, it included a note at the bottom saying there had been a major “error” indicating that the unemployment rate likely should be higher than the widely reported 13.3 percent rate.
The special note said that if this “misclassification error” had not occurred, the “overall unemployment rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher than reported,” meaning the unemployment rate would be about 16.3 percent for May.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs reports, said it was working to fix the problem.
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They never read past the headlines 😂
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tough day for the leftist insurrection yesterday....every time they get rolling down hill to destroy America they hit a big speed bump and America pushes pack....great job numbers....stock market liked it...parts of America suffering democrat dictatorship continue to destroy themselves...can't wait till they demand bailouts:rotf2: guess the left is gonna have to work even harder to destroy the economy and turn supporters against the president


In a development that is sure to baffle the mainstream media and liberal elites, President Donald Trump appears to have gained an unprecedented approval rating among black voters of 41% including 25% who “strongly support” Trump. :uhuh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2N2w4d0N0w

Here we ago again with the numbers are suddenly real , and of course when people go back to work the numbers come down ... not sure how that's a surprise

And Trump should have mentioned Bezos howmany people has amazon hired:kewl:

Oops

When the U.S. government’s official jobs report for May came out on Friday, it included a note at the bottom saying there had been a major “error” indicating that the unemployment rate likely should be higher than the widely reported 13.3 percent rate.
The special note said that if this “misclassification error” had not occurred, the “overall unemployment rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher than reported,” meaning the unemployment rate would be about 16.3 percent for May.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs reports, said it was working to fix the problem.
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much better than predicted...we'll take it in these trying times...you can keep hoping for economic ruin

Here we ago again with the numbers

:

numbers are fun aren't they?

you should watch that video till the end...

much better than predicted...we'll take it in these trying times...you can keep hoping for economic ruin

You equate Tweety with the economy, he’s failing on every side.
Though he has successfully built a wall, around the White House.

Don’t forget Tweety refused to release the economic forecast for the next quarter, much like he didn’t release the DNI’s report on National Security.
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Hasn’t there been a wall around the WhiteHouse for a while BSB?

You equate Tweety with the economy, he’s failing on every side.


???????????

You equate Tweety with the economy

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nope....I said "and America pushes pack"

tough day for the leftist insurrection yesterday....every time they get rolling down hill to destroy America they hit a big speed bump and America pushes pack....great job numbers....stock market liked it...parts of America suffering democrat dictatorship continue to destroy themselves...can't wait till they demand bailouts:rotf2: guess the left is gonna have to work even harder to destroy the economy and turn supporters against the president


In a development that is sure to baffle the mainstream media and liberal elites, President Donald Trump appears to have gained an unprecedented approval rating among black voters of 41% including 25% who “strongly support” Trump. :uhuh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2N2w4d0N0w

Powerful video. Not even very long. Wrong narrative though. It's not about rubber bullets and tear gas. And not about Trump "failing on all sides." And not pointing out that it's Trump that is dividing us all.

Didn't we have all this kind of nonsense that's going on now repeated several times before Trump came along? Somehow he's the reason for it?

Nah, they won't like the video, won't watch it, say it's no big deal. Just one black man . . . the usual head in the sand denial that puts a dent in their get-Trump-at-all-costs mentality. Integrity, which they claim as their core, and which they claim Trump has none, only counts if it helps you to win, even if you're victory is based on lies.

Why protest over one person? This guy is clueless.
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This guy is clueless.

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sounds racist to me....

Conservatives do love their needle in a haystack stories .. they love finding that one doctor or scientist, or in this case a person of color . who see the world as they do as evidence as all other people of color are wrong and haven't experienced what they say they've experienced...

Whites are using Candace Owen's views for the same benefit

Trump shares Candace Owens interview saying ‘George Floyd was not a good person’

Your goodness you race your religion or where you live should not be used to quantify or justify being killed by law enforcement or by anyone for that matter


World wars have started and governments overthrown because those at the top or the elites look down on their fellow citizens from their ivory towers ... over issues such as this. And These protest have gone global ,, must be Antifa

There are tens of thousands of Antifa marching on DC right now.
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Told ya, Scott . . . they got no clue what was really in the video (or, if they watched it, would rather not discuss it). wdmso with his usual "needle in a hastack" nonsense and Spence with his slicker put down--amazing how the "queen of context," as JohnR once characterized him, pulls a tiny portion out of its meaningful context, totally gutting Tatum's point. But that's how the left operates--marginalize, ridicule, slant and lie.

There are tens of thousands of Antifa marching on DC right now.
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Hope they don’t catch anything and kill their grandparents
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Candace Owens



She is SOOO HOT! I’d give up AOC for her
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Told ya, Scott . . . they got no clue what was really in the video (or, if they watched it, would rather not discuss it). wdmso with his usual "needle in a hastack" nonsense and Spence with his slicker put down--amazing how the "queen of context," as JohnR once characterized him, pulls a tiny portion out of its meaningful context, totally gutting Tatum's point. But that's how the left operates--marginalize, ridicule, slant and lie.
No, just wanted to irritate.
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Told ya, Scott . . . they got no clue what was really in the video (or, if they watched it, would rather not discuss it). wdmso with his usual "needle in a hastack" nonsense and Spence with his slicker put down--amazing how the "queen of context," as JohnR once characterized him, pulls a tiny portion out of its meaningful context, totally gutting Tatum's point. But that's how the left operates--marginalize, ridicule, slant and lie.

Watched the whole thing as for nonsense thats all coming from you .. whats there to discuss? You posted that to renforce your narrative of see heres a responsible black person . End of topic seen the same tactics all over facebook to include his past crimes used to minimize his killing or whats 1 less thug off the street


I read this some place

If the aftermath of floyds death upsets you more than his death and how he died. thats the bigger problem
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Watched the whole thing as for nonsense thats all coming from you .. whats there to discuss? You posted that to renforce your narrative of see heres a responsible black person . End of topic seen the same tactics all over facebook to include his past crimes used to minimize his killing or whats 1 less thug off the street

You missed Tatum's point. And it's not about a black person saying it, though that does take away the notion that it's a racist white person's point.

And if having a "needle in a haystack" black person saying it makes it somehow commonplace and not worth considering because it is one black person, then why is it so important to get all bent when one black person gets killed by a cop. It's not like cops are unjustly killing scads of black men. That's actually relatively rare. But cities must burn because of it. But if a "needle in a haystack" comments on it, it ain't about nothin'

I read this some place

If the aftermath of floyds death upsets you more than his death and how he died. thats the bigger problem


I don't know why I have to be upset more by one over the other, but in terms of actual damage and loss of life, the aftermath is larger--don't know if it's bigger.

I hope these big cities defund or disband their police departments as they are threatening to...that should be fun...I bet their tax base sticks around to find out what happens next


92 shot, 27 fatally, in Chicago's most violent weekend of 2020
Sun-Times Media Wire
Monday, June 1, 2020 10:31AM

CHICAGO -- 27 people were killed and at least 65 others were wounded by gun violence in Chicago's most violent weekend of the year so far
The latest fatal shooting happened Sunday night in West Garfield Park on the West Side.

Officers responding to a ShotSpotter alert for gunfire found the 18-year-old shot in the right side of her head at 10:51 p.m. in the 4200 block of West Van Buren Street, according to Chicago police. She was pronounced dead at the scene.

Another needle in a haystack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILRdOPH4S0

Another needle in a haystack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkY2tDQeGY

Another needle in a haystack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1ld1uGpXA

Another needle in a haystack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXHxe6a1tuI

Another needle in a haystack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXHxe6a1tuI

Now your needles have change tune to what no one has ever disputed there is a difference between a protester and a looter and rioter


but please keep up the suggestion supporting the protester equals not supporting the police or the acting as if Defunding the police is really going to happen , its like suggesting Trump one day will act like an adult it aint going to happen

Another needle in a haystack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0Y6woydjk

I hope these big cities defund or disband their police departments as they are threatening to...that should be fun...I bet their tax base sticks around to find out what happens next.
Nobody is suggesting the police should be disbanded.
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There are tens of thousands of Antifa marching on DC right now.
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No, but hundreds, at night, probably a similar amount more or less from hard right looking to stir crap up.

If the aftermath of floyds death upsets you more than his death and how he died. thats the bigger problem
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In the aftermath of Floyd's death, protesters are demanding that the cities defund the police, in some places cities are discussing JUST THAT.

For decades some agencies have been doing some reform (not enough in some places, probably adequate in others) . How do we balance people actually doing bad things (plenty of bad white people and black people doing illegal things)?.

But now, rather than having a look at how he died and how to address it, cities are going to eliminate parts of the police force. What is going to happen to those inner cities now with Cops reduced in number.


Wayne, what happens when they come for your job and demand the Union not protect members or even worse, remove security officers from positions altogether. What happens to the officers left?



Now your needles have change tune to what no one has ever disputed there is a difference between a protester and a looter and rioter

Bullcrap. We are constantly hearing that it is totes legit to riot.

Now your needles have change tune to what no one has ever disputed there is a difference between a protester and a looter and rioter

The "needles" didn't change their tune. They consistently questioned or decried the rioting and looting. Most rhetorically asked what the violence was accomplishing. And they all recognized that not only were the protests merely "peaceful," but they included significant and very destructive, violent, behavior. And each one of what you refer to as a needle in a haystack, was actually not that rare. There are many who feel the way they do. And they are not difficult to find. Not to mention the obious others, some of whom you mentioned as needles in a haystack--Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and lots more, some of whom have or have had videos that called out not only the violence that usually accompany these "peaceful" protests, But who even question the purpose and usefulness of orgs. like BLM.

The last video I posted, the interview with Bob Woodson, lays it all out very well, wisely, rationally, with history, evidence and statistics, and points out some of the stupid, corrupt, non-productive things and lies that keep a large segment of black society trapped into the stagnant bottom of society which prevents them from improving, but instead remaining the victims of other blacks and ignorant, well meaning whites.

If you're serious about solutions, watch the Woodson interview from the beginning to the very end. Or remain ignorant and think they are only needles in a haystack.

but please keep up the suggestion supporting the protester equals not supporting the police or the acting as if Defunding the police is really going to happen , its like suggesting Trump one day will act like an adult it aint going to happen

I have no idea of WTF you're talking about. I didn't say that supporting the protester equals not supporting the police. I didn't mention defunding the police.

Nor did I say that Trump doesn't act like an adult. A child or adolescent could not accomplish the things that Trump has. I'm just guessing, but I don't think you could either.

Bullcrap. We are constantly hearing that it is totes legit to riot.

Who said that?
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Nobody is suggesting the police should be disbanded.
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ACLU of Minnesota
@ACLUMN
BREAKING: Minneapolis City Council members have announced their intent to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and invest in community-led public safety.
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Nobody is suggesting the police should be disbanded.
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CNBC
KEY POINTS

A majority of the members of the Minneapolis City Council said Sunday they support disbanding the city's police department.
That aggressive stance that comes just as the state has launched a civil rights investigation after George Floyd's death.

A majority of the members of the Minneapolis City Council said Sunday they support disbanding the city's police department.

Nine of the council's 12 members appeared with activists at a rally in a city park Sunday afternoon and vowed to end policing as the city currently knows it. Council member Jeremiah Ellison promised that the council would "dismantle" the department.
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That should work out well :rolleyes:
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but please keep acting as if Defunding the police is really going to happen ,it aint going to happen




NEWSWEEK
U.S.

LA Mayor Faces Backlash For Defunding Police With $150 Million Budget Cut

BY DANIEL VILLARREAL ON 6/5/20 AT 9:55 PM EDT

They’re just proposing restructuring, not eliminating all law enforcement.
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Defunding doesn’t mean ending police, it means limiting law enforcement functions. Most cops agree they shouldn’t be 1st responders for mental health crisis or school discipline, roles they’ve been brought into. This is an opportunity to transform.

No, but hundreds, at night, probably a similar amount more or less from hard right looking to stir crap up.

And yet there were no problems and no arrests. Perhaps the terrorists were just having a nice late night game of bocci.

They’re just proposing restructuring, not eliminating all law enforcement.

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sounds like a simple restructure to me...


Sun 7 Jun 2020

The Minneapolis city council has pledged to disband the city’s police department and replace it with a new system of public safety, a historic move that comes as calls to defund law enforcement are sweeping the US.

Speaking at a community rally on Sunday, a veto-proof majority of council members declared their intent to “dismantle” and “abolish” the embattled police agency

Nobody is suggesting the police should be disbanded.
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this is from the Allie's Doughnuts thread....which has been interesting to watch

Cleo Yeets- I support change, such as defunding and abolishing the police :) they're useless murderers that hide behind a badge, it is the epitome of cowardice

James Chofay- and who will stop crime?

Cleo Yeets- volunteer community defense
Cops uphold an institution, they work for the upper class, not the people

James Chofay- so what about military? Abolish them too?

Cleo Yeets- absolutely, they're an overglorified oil company that gets paid to kill brown kids


so apparently the "woke" plan is to eliminate the police and military and replace them with a "volunteer military defense"....or "militia" I suppose....:huh:

this is from the Allie's Doughnuts thread....which has been interesting to watch
Pretty strong argument when you're key exhibit is some is a random person at a donut shop.

Pretty strong argument when you're key exhibit is some is a random person at a donut shop.

it's a view....as relevant as your or mine

They’re just proposing restructuring, not eliminating all law enforcement.


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:bl:

:bl:

You're taking the words "Abolish" and "Disband" out of context.
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You're taking the words "Abolish" and "Disband" out of context.
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No, they're just saying abolish the bad practices. It's a cardboard sign, not a policy proposal.

You're taking the words "Abolish" and "Disband" out of context.
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he's trying his best to make no sense :D

Defund and the green new deal get the same overblown responses . Not surprising.. fear of change runs deep in that party
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Defund and the green new deal get the same overblown responses . Not surprising.. fear of change runs deep in that party
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What's so overblown about disagreeing? You disagree a lot.

NEWSWEEK
U.S.

LA Mayor Faces Backlash For Defunding Police With $150 Million Budget Cut

BY DANIEL VILLARREAL ON 6/5/20 AT 9:55 PM EDT

omg a budget cut now equals defunding ... the militarization of the police is the biggest issue and if you think they haven't been you haven't been paying attention..

Look at the crowds in the Streets across the country people are Tired of police who can shoot an un armed person and get away with it keep their jobs get promoted by just uttering I was in fear for my life I thought they had a weapon ..

Ive said this before we had more restraint in Iraq and rules of engagement where if my men or wanted to kill an Iraqi.. i thought he had a wepon wasnt going to fly...

Police officers job is inherently dangerous they have about the same chance being killed in their patrol car as the do being shot

30 years working in a prison seen use of force change with every new head of corrections and Governor, have been dealing with video for 15 years ..

The police had a chance to be involved with body cameras some embraced them others did not same with a tazer some use them as an additional tool others a short cut justifed in a report. But now people are watching. Demanding those who enforce the law shouldn't be above it or given special status to dispense it as the wish ... and if you feel equally upset over the death of floyd at the hands of law enforcement and the riots .. thats the problem because the 2 are not the same in .just
my opinion
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I didn’t know we had to be outraged “on a curve”
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I get my news from The Onion.
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The Onion couldn't have written 2020....

sounds like a simple restructure to me...


Sun 7 Jun 2020

The Minneapolis city council has pledged to disband the city’s police department and replace it with a new system of public safety, a historic move that comes as calls to defund law enforcement are sweeping the US.

Speaking at a community rally on Sunday, a veto-proof majority of council members declared their intent to “dismantle” and “abolish” the embattled police agency

I gotta admit, leaders and representatives across the country are failing their constituencies by knee jerk reacting to this with sweeping policy change and multi-million $ funding changes.

It’s a good idea to consider the vital role of law enforcement in our society. It’s a terrible idea to lose the forest for the trees and think that “one way to do this” is to defund police and turn that into a movement.
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pretty cool "restructure"

published 8 hours ago
Seattle protesters declare 'cop free zone' after police leave precinct

Seattle has been making big news in the last couple of days. The first major story emerged Tuesday when police ceded an entire neighborhood to Antifa and Black Lives Matter, representatives of which barricaded a large segment of the Capitol Hill neighborhood and declared the area an “autonomous” community, separate from Seattle itself. The second newsworthy story occurred when thousands of leftist protesters led by Black Lives Matter and Antifa entered City Hall shortly after midnight on Wednesday, demanding that Mayor Jenny Durkan (a Democrat) resign.

On Tuesday, the police in Seattle’s Eastern District had initially battled with the rioters, using tear gas and flashbangs. Eventually, recognizing that anything short of a military-style defense was a waste of police time and put police lives at risk, the police abandoned the Eastern Precinct. They shredded important and confidential documents, boarded up the windows, and walked away, leaving the people whom they serve to the mob’s mercy.

The mob set up barricades around the streets and announced a new independent community called the “Capitol Hill autonomous zone” or “Free Capitol Hill.” Because this is Seattle, residents of the city, rather than looking at the probably and imminent end of a comfortable life predicated on the smooth functioning of modern civil services (law enforcement, food delivery, garbage pick-ups, street cleaning, etc.), immediately donated huge amounts of food, water, and medical supplies to allow the anarchists to settle in for a long siege.


https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/

pretty cool "restructure"

published 8 hours ago
Seattle protesters declare 'cop free zone' after police leave precinct

Seattle has been making big news in the last couple of days. The first major story emerged Tuesday when police ceded an entire neighborhood to Antifa and Black Lives Matter, representatives of which barricaded a large segment of the Capitol Hill neighborhood and declared the area an “autonomous” community, separate from Seattle itself. The second newsworthy story occurred when thousands of leftist protesters led by Black Lives Matter and Antifa entered City Hall shortly after midnight on Wednesday, demanding that Mayor Jenny Durkan (a Democrat) resign.

On Tuesday, the police in Seattle’s Eastern District had initially battled with the rioters, using tear gas and flashbangs. Eventually, recognizing that anything short of a military-style defense was a waste of police time and put police lives at risk, the police abandoned the Eastern Precinct. They shredded important and confidential documents, boarded up the windows, and walked away, leaving the people whom they serve to the mob’s mercy.

The mob set up barricades around the streets and announced a new independent community called the “Capitol Hill autonomous zone” or “Free Capitol Hill.” Because this is Seattle, residents of the city, rather than looking at the probably and imminent end of a comfortable life predicated on the smooth functioning of modern civil services (law enforcement, food delivery, garbage pick-ups, street cleaning, etc.), immediately donated huge amounts of food, water, and medical supplies to allow the anarchists to settle in for a long siege.


https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/
Funny, the blog post you cite doesn't even mention anything about BLM or Antifa. All the police did was pull back from their barricade and it looks like the tensions went away...

But keep spreading misinformation, maybe you could work for the Trump campaign.

American democracy isn't pretty, is it?

Funny, the blog post you cite doesn't even mention anything about BLM or Antifa.

ok....and nobody is calling for defunding the police

ok....and nobody is calling for defunding the police
Lots of people are, it just doesn't mean what you think it means.

Lots of people are, it just doesn't mean what you think it means.

Using ambiguous terms to describe a movement that impacts all of society certainly helps to distract from the conversation we all wish would be happening

The weird part of all of this is that I feel the terms other than "defund the police" have been used for years before this and never got the response/reaction they are getting now.

So maybe the reality is if people had listened in the past, words wouldn't be such a sticking point now.

When one of the Bush family denounces “systemic racism” and Mitt Romney marches for Black Lives Matter, you know something fundamental has changed.

The tides of public opinion have shifted and that's leaving Trump* stranded on a shrinking “law and order” island.

Using ambiguous terms to describe a movement that impacts all of society certainly helps to distract from the conversation we all wish would be happening

The weird part of all of this is that I feel the terms other than "defund the police" have been used for years before this and never got the response/reaction they are getting now.

So maybe the reality is if people had listened in the past, words wouldn't be such a sticking point now.
I think it's just meant to be provocative. Hasn't had the audience attention until now. I don't think shrinking budgets to just appease is helpful, but it's a good dialogue to see how we can improve public health and safety, that may include defunding some of the police.

I think it's just meant to be provocative. Hasn't had the audience attention until now. I don't think shrinking budgets to just appease is helpful, but it's a good dialogue to see how we can improve public health and safety, that may include defunding some of the police.

Change is hard

This all being said, I believe there are some folks out there "in charge" of local municipalities who actually believe that a system-wide removal of law enforcement funding is what is being discussed, and are supportive of it. So the provocative nature of it is actually having a dual-edged effect.

Again, that might just be a casualty of war, but it doesn;t help the dialog on this forum because it fuels opposing opinions with facts.

Nobody is suggesting the police should be disbanded.

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The Minneapolis City Council unanimously voted Friday to “dismantle” the city’s police department as their solution to police violence after George Floyd’s death.

The City Council passed a resolution to focus on a community-based public safety system. President Lisa Bender, City Council Vice President Andrea Jenkins and other council members made the announcement at a rally Sunday afternoon, saying they plan to “dismantle” their police department. The money for the police will instead go towards a “community-based public safety model,” according to Reuters.


this is going to be so much fun:D

Well if you watch Fox and caught the interview with Eric Trump, you believers must be ready to shout the Trump favorite word, the virus is a Democrat HOAX. It will apparently all magically disappear after the November election. This is either the rotten crazy conspiracy loving bad apple falling not far from the family tree or Trump desperate and irresponsible campaign move to get his base out to vote. Either proves you just can’t cure stupid.

It has already disappeared in NZ.
No Dems down there I guess.

league leaders in deaths / million population U.S.

1591 New York
1439 New Jersey
1179 Connecticut
1109 Massachusetts
803 Rhode Island
730 DC
602 Michigan
650 Louisiana
499 Illinois
494 Pennsylvania

league leaders in deaths / million population U.S.

1591 New York
1439 New Jersey
1179 Connecticut
1109 Massachusetts
803 Rhode Island
730 DC
602 Michigan
650 Louisiana
499 Illinois
494 Pennsylvania

It’s clear to me from these numbers, this virus was clearly created in a lab by the GOP to reduce the voting population in these states so they become battleground states.

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If you take the time or expend the effort to look into what the Minneapolis City council’s issues are with the police department you will discover that they want local control and can only achieve that by dissolving the current organization per the city charter.
Camden, NJ did it 8 years ago, things improved
But just let the reich wing scare you, Tweety will save you
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As spending on the police increased, federal aid to cities shrank for antipoverty programs and social services.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/12/upshot/cities-grew-safer-police-budgets-kept-growing.html


When people say defund that is just some people , its not policy or supported by the public at large .. but people are seeing the dollars spent and not happy with the return , and whole heartedly want police to be better ..

One guy on Foxs the 5 angry guy in a t shirt said only blacks should deal with blacks and the same whites .. the went into some the chances are 1 in how many he called it an error rate .. ,, he cover his ass by saying it was a dumb idea ... but hes another one who will swear up and down there is no racism in policing

As spending on the police increased, federal aid to cities shrank for antipoverty programs and social services.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/12/upshot/cities-grew-safer-police-budgets-kept-growing.html


When people say defund that is just some people , its not policy or supported by the public at large .. but people are seeing the dollars spent and not happy with the return , and whole heartedly want police to be better ..

One guy on Foxs the 5 angry guy in a t shirt said only blacks should deal with blacks and the same whites .. the went into some the chances are 1 in how many he called it an error rate .. ,, he cover his ass by saying it was a dumb idea ... but hes another one who will swear up and down there is no racism in policing




I doubt many Police Agencies are over funded, particularly in urban areas. But the police are asked to do everything from basic law enforcement, to shrinks, anti-drug coaches, to being dads in areas that are thin on them.

Yes, we need other people filling key roles in addition to the police but instead of the police.

All these wackos pulling police / SROs OUT of schools? That is going to be a monumental mistake, good luck with that.

It’s clear to me from these numbers, this virus was clearly created in a lab by the GOP to reduce the voting population in these states so they become battleground states.

:boom:
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no, they aren't that smart or calculating

It’s clear to me from these numbers, this virus was clearly created in a lab by the GOP to reduce the voting population in these states so they become battleground states.

:boom:
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maybe a sinister plot by lunatic progressives????


As U.S. Nursing-Home Deaths Reach 50,000, States Ease Lockdowns
Facilities weigh coronavirus risk of allowing visitors against ills caused by prolonged isolation


"Ezekiel Emanuel(chief architect of obamacare) questions “whether our consumption is worth our contribution” in old age."