Holy Christ,
He was Lori Laughlin before Full House.

He paid for somebody to take his SAT’s.

Once again, if you got money in Murica, then you get a big boat, and college, I guess.

Fat bastards. I wish my family had disposable income like this.

Whelp, you got money in America, and I guess you’re upper class!

Nothing new, been that way since the Roman Empire, And before.
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He’ll always be the tacky barking carnival clown from Queens.
Daddy got him into college and out of war and bankruptcy 6X.
Now he’s bankrupting us.
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He’ll always be the tacky barking carnival clown from Queens.
Daddy got him into college and out of war and bankruptcy 6X.
Now he’s bankrupting us.
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Congress has the power of the purse, not the President.

Congress has nothing to do with where the economy is right now.

Congress has nothing to do with where the economy is right now.

It has the major responsibility to do with it. Are you saying Congress is shirking its responsibility?

It has the major responsibility to do with it. Are you saying Congress is shirking its responsibility?

Trumps handling of this health crisis even to now insisting schools reopen, is trashing the economy, congress has zip to do with it; other than try to legislate help to so many Americans, businesses and entire sections of our economy being devastated. Don’t blue font me, I already know your opinion, I don’t agree or care to debate.

Finished at the top of his class!

Trumps handling of this health crisis even to now insisting schools reopen, is trashing the economy, congress has zip to do with it; other than try to legislate help to so many Americans, businesses and entire sections of our economy being devastated. Don’t blue font me, I already know your opinion, I don’t agree or care to debate.

i have three young kids. i wouldn’t want schools
closed
much longer. they are losing out on the childhood they deserve. if older teachers with co morbidities need to retire, then they need to retire because they can’t do what the job now is. Kids need to go to school pretty soon.
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Finished at the top of his class!

Wharton

Top notch
😘

i have three young kids. i wouldn’t want schools
closed
much longer. they are losing out on the childhood they deserve. if older teachers with co morbidities need to retire, then they need to retire because they can’t do what the job now is. Kids need to go to school pretty soon.
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Not arguing that kids are loosing out and I realize its he not just the educational loss, but the social aspect as well. Trump saying open without a comprehensive plan and well thought out safety and funding to make that happen are two different things.

Not arguing that kids are loosing out and I realize its he not just the educational loss, but the social aspect as well. Trump saying open without a comprehensive plan and well thought out safety and funding to make that happen are two different things.

We have a republic, not a democracy. The federal government does not have a significant, if any, constitutional role in a comprehensive plan for education of our children. The President has even less than that. It is up to the states when to open the schools. And it is up to the states to fund it.

Trumps handling of this health crisis even to now insisting schools reopen, is trashing the economy, congress has zip to do with it;

This makes no sense. The states are handling the health crisis. The states are handling the opening of the schools.
And Congress is the ultimate authority on the political handling of the economy.

Don’t blue font me, I already know your opinion, I don’t agree or care to debate.

Then why are you debating?

I’m not debating I’m pushing your buttons and you always respond.

I’m not debating I’m pushing your buttons and you always respond.

Strange . . you tell me not to respond ("Don’t blue font me, I already know your opinion, I don’t agree or care to debate"), but you push my buttons to make me respond. :confused::confused:

Congress has the power of the purse, not the President.

Odd that you then approve of his using unconstitutional emergency executive orders to build three miles of wall.
But you’ll rationalize that, somehow
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i have three young kids. i wouldn’t want schools
closed
much longer. they are losing out on the childhood they deserve. if older teachers with co morbidities need to retire, then they need to retire because they can’t do what the job now is. Kids need to go to school pretty soon.
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It’s going to take a lot more for Donald Trump & Betsy Devos to convince me they are pro-education than ordering people back to school during a pandemic.
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Odd that you then approve of his using unconstitutional emergency executive orders to build three miles of wall.
But you’ll rationalize that, somehow
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The SCOTUS did not say they were unconsitutional.

It’s going to take a lot more for Donald Trump & Betsy Devos to convince me they are pro-education than ordering people back to school during a pandemic.
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I would be overjoyed if the federal Department of Education was abolished. The Constitution left education to the people and the states. What do you mean by "pro-education"? Are Trump and Devos anti-education? That's silly. But we shouldn't even be talking about their pro or anti education. That should strictly be a state and local issue.

We have a republic, not a democracy. The federal government does not have a significant, if any, constitutional role in a comprehensive plan for education of our children. The President has even less than that. It is up to the states when to open the schools. And it is up to the states to fund it.

What are you saying that potus doesn’t understand he can’t force the children back to class, or are you confirming the messaging from the top is dangerous and irresponsible?

What are you saying that potus doesn’t understand he can’t force the children back to class, or are you confirming the messaging from the top is dangerous and irresponsible?
Wait for the threat to withhold federal funding for states who are concerned about opening.
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Nice, Trump made it 90 minutes after this post.

Just to make sure everyone is clear here, Trump is using your kids as pawns in his reelection campaign.

What are you saying that potus doesn’t understand he can’t force the children back to class, or are you confirming the messaging from the top is dangerous and irresponsible?

I'm not saying either. Are you asking for a debate, or for me to just shut up after you push my buttons so I will respond?

Wait for the threat to withhold federal funding for states who are concerned about opening.
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There should be no federal funds for education. And the federal government should quit taxing the bejesus out of everyone in the states in order to pay for the scads of programs the fed has no constitutional mandate to create.

Then the states would have enough of a not already overtaxed base to be able to tax their own citizens for the things those citizens want.

Nothing new, been that way since the Roman Empire, And before.
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Wish we had benefactors like that, Kev.

Once again proving my theory; money will get you anything in this country.

It’s gross.
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I would be overjoyed if the federal Department of Education was abolished. The Constitution left education to the people and the states. What do you mean by "pro-education"? Are Trump and Devos anti-education? That's silly. But we shouldn't even be talking about their pro or anti education. That should strictly be a state and local issue.

Sounds great. Let’s start be defunding DeVos.
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Wish we had benefactors like that, Kev.

Once again proving my theory; money will get you anything in this country.

It’s gross.
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Money will get you anything in any country, not just here.
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Wait for the threat to withhold federal funding for states who are concerned about opening.
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Nice, Trump made it 90 minutes after this post.

Just to make sure everyone is clear here, Trump is using your kids as pawns in his reelection campaign.

Clap yourself on the back Nostradamus.

I'll give you another hard (using that word for all the pricks on this site) one. Will we have sun at some point this week?

Wish we had benefactors like that, Kev.

Once again proving my theory; money will get you anything in this country.

It’s gross.
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Sounds like money would get you.

Sounds great. Let’s start be defunding DeVos.
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Great, we agree the Dept. of Education should be abolished.

I'm not saying either. Are you asking for a debate, or for me to just shut up after you push my buttons so I will respond?

You like golf, just look at it this way, I tee it up so you can do what you do best pontificate.

Great, we agree the Dept. of Education should be abolished.

No,
I’m saying Betsy is incompetent.

Our tax dollars hard at work.

Let her go back to being a rich elitist. She is the swamp.
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No,
I’m saying Betsy is incompetent.

Our tax dollars hard at work.

Let her go back to being a rich elitist. She is the swamp.
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Yes, let's get rid of her so the Dept. of Education can get back to doing its stellar job of making American public education the miracle it had become before she came on board, especially for minorities.

Yes, let's get rid of her so the Dept. of Education can get back to doing its stellar job of making American public education the miracle it had become before she came on board, especially for minorities.

Your funny are you suggesting only privately run schools can successfully teach American and minorities..

Seems you fail to grasp the volume of students who pass thru our public schools or how their funded staffed ect.

And what you deem a measurement of success. Is absent from your response

And what has devos done to improve the system besides throw money at religous and private ones . Which has been her goal since day 1

Clearly our system doesn't treat all school and students equally and never has. And choice is only an option to those who wish to pay for it , or the willingness to to have their child travel hours to a charter school because they can't afford to live in that area.. with good schools .. this isnt just a minority issue its a rual issues as well
But for the right its not an issue at all .. they wish to fix . Its part of their national relection theme. They can't loose the base .. whom id wager 99% went to public schools . Who clearly failed them in civics and history
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Your funny are you suggesting only privately run schools can successfully teach American and minorities..

Seems you fail to grasp the volume of students who pass thru our public schools or how their funded staffed ect.

And what you deem a measurement of success. Is absent from your response

And what has devos done to improve the system besides throw money at religous and private ones . Which has been her goal since day 1

Clearly our system doesn't treat all school and students equally and never has. And choice is only an option to those who wish to pay for it , or the willingness to to have their child travel hours to a charter school because they can't afford to live in that area.. with good schools .. this isnt just a minority issue its a rual issues as well
But for the right its not an issue at all .. they wish to fix . Its part of their national relection theme. They can't loose the base .. whom id wager 99% went to public schools . Who clearly failed them in civics and history
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Civics,history and spelling.

Civics,history and spelling.

the left is trying to erase all of these :hihi:

the left is trying to erase all of these :hihi:

Easy history question

What great achievement caused the statues of the Generals of the Confederacy to be erected?
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Easy history question

What great achievement caused the statues of the Generals of the Confederacy to be erected?
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I bet you Trump has no idea.

Confederate lives matter

Easy history question

What great achievement caused the statues of the Generals of the Confederacy to be erected?
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I don't have a problem with them being moved or removed by the local authorities but this business of criminals throwing tantrums and defacing and destroying them only results in more of the same...it's mindless, it breeds more violence and destruction.....it won't end with statues....

I don't have a problem with them being moved or removed by the local authorities but this business of criminals throwing tantrums and defacing and destroying them only results in more of the same...it's mindless, it breeds more violence and destruction.....it won't end with statues....

I agree with the 1st part

But not the 2nd part local authorities
Have failed they have ingnored the people over those affluent donors who wish to see these statues stand going on with the its destroying history BS ..

Change throughout history has been accomplished by the mob.. this isnt new

Nor are the comments from Trump and others about the protester as enemys..

Fear of status tends to do that.. Trump is for Trump 1st. He just wraps the flag around him as a shield claiming hes standing in front defending America...but only the left deals in identity politics?
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Your funny are you suggesting only privately run schools can successfully teach American and minorities..

It's telling that you think my desire to have the federal Dept. of Education abolished means that only privately run schools can successfully teach Americans and minorities.

Perhaps you've missed my oft stated fact that the Constitution leaves education in the hands of the states and their citizens, NOT IN THE GRASP OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Abolishing the national Dept. of Education does not do away with public schools. On the contrary, it frees up the states to do what the Constitution intended in the separate ways each state, locality, and citizenry desire and consider best for themselves.


Seems you fail to grasp the volume of students who pass thru our public schools or how their funded staffed ect.

You keep making these idiotic assumptions about me.
I am painfully aware of those things. What many fail to grasp re funding, as it has been and still is, the states and localities provide by far the most money for public education. The federal government provides only 2 percent.

And what you deem a measurement of success. Is absent from your response

Here's a measurement of success: http://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html

And what has devos done to improve the system besides throw money at religous and private ones . Which has been her goal since day 1

I am against the federal government throwing any money into the educational "system." I want the federal "system" regarding education totally abolished. Devos is irrelevant except insofar as she may do away with as much federal control as possible.

Clearly our system doesn't treat all school and students equally and never has. And choice is only an option to those who wish to pay for it , or the willingness to to have their child travel hours to a charter school because they can't afford to live in that area.. with good schools .. this isnt just a minority issue its a rual issues as well
But for the right its not an issue at all .. they wish to fix . Its part of their national relection theme. They can't loose the base .. whom id wager 99% went to public schools . Who clearly failed them in civics and history


Is civics still taught? If it is, I suspect it's a very Progressively slanted version. Which would be a reason that the first thing that comes to many minds re education and its funding is the federal government.

Is civics still taught? If it is, I suspect it's a very Progressively slanted version. Which would be a reason that the first thing that comes to many minds re education and its funding is the federal government.

Butchie,
You talk like a cop.

I might be wrong, just noticing.
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Butchie,
You talk like a cop.

I might be wrong, just noticing.
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No I’m picturing a very large x walleye fisherman in his mother’s basement, probably in his underwear, pontificating on multiple forums around the country and probably any other English speaking countries as well, because his knowledge and expertise are too important not to share. He can’t sleep much as his next political opinion has usually started to take shape in his brain as bedtime is yelled down by his mom.

The letters on his keyboard are barely legible at this point, even though it’s only a year old. On his desk is probably a picture of his last fishing rod he owned, he is holding it as his mother snapped a picture of his last big (two pounder) walleye, sitting next to three empty cans of Dinty Moore beaf stew, the spoons almost permanently clued to the bottom.

It’s a hard life keeping the world abreast of the correct interpretation of every political turn and twist, but we are lucky we have him here.

I bet Butchie is just a scared cop from the Midwest.

Butch,
Am I right? If I’m wrong, I sincerely apologize.

If I’m right, why don’t you focus on helping the US where you live, instead of debating us in New England, where we help each other.
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No I’m picturing a very large x walleye fisherman in his mother’s basement, probably in his underwear, pontificating on multiple forums around the country and probably any other English speaking countries as well, because his knowledge and expertise are too important not to share. He can’t sleep much as his next political opinion has usually started to take shape in his brain as bedtime is yelled down by his mom.

The letters on his keyboard are barely legible at this point, even though it’s only a year old. On his desk is probably a picture of his last fishing rod he owned, he is holding it as his mother snapped a picture of his last big (two pounder) walleye, sitting next to three empty cans of Dinty Moore beaf stew, the spoons almost permanently clued to the bottom.

It’s a hard life keeping the world abreast of the correct interpretation of every political turn and twist, but we are lucky we have him here.

Yeah, you nailed it.

I bet Butchie is just a scared cop from the Midwest.

Butch,
Am I right? If I’m wrong, I sincerely apologize.

If I’m right, why don’t you focus on helping the US where you live, instead of debating us in New England, where we help each other.
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Not a cop. Actually I applied for police cadet training when I graduated from collelge, but was refused for the same reason I couldn't get into the navy. Some really bad ulcers. Ironically, they didn't really know much about what caused them then. So I spent 10 years bleeding all over the city of detroit. Come to find, it was just a simple bacteria, h pylori, easily cured with an anti-biotic formulated for it.

Would have loved the navy, though.

I do my part for the country where I am. Harassing you guys out East is fun.

Not a cop. Actually I applied for police cadet training when I graduated from collelge, but was refused for the same reason I couldn't get into the navy. Some really bad ulcers. Ironically, they didn't really know much about what caused them then. So I spent 10 years bleeding all over the city of detroit. Come to find, it was just a simple bacteria, h pylori, easily cured with an anti-biotic formulated for it.

Would have loved the navy, though.

I do my part for the country where I am. Harassing you guys out East is fun.

Actually, I tried to serve in the Navy, myself.

They noped me because I had prior knee and back surgery.

Obviously, 30 years later, I’m still kinda spry.

All us guys in the East are damn socialists anyway. We don’t listen.
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At least you guys picked the right branch :-)
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Change throughout history has been accomplished by the mob.. this isnt new


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it's good to know where people stand

At least you guys picked the right branch :-)
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Yup.
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it's good to know where people stand

it is :kewl:

Holy #^&#^&#^&#^&,
We all got super-respectful after the weird Butch-Kevin-Rick talk about the Navy.

It’s pretty awesome. The rest of you #^&#^&#^&#^&ers have some #^&#^&#^&#^& to learn.
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