That Axios interview was a freaking abortion.

Guess he is what he is.

#HeHadToUseBothHandsToShowHisCharts

#25thAmendment

#RipThatBandAidOffMurica

The party of no empathy or compassion.

The party of no empathy or compassion.


Takes a brain to have empathy.


#TrumpBrainsNeedNurturing
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Hey you heard him it is what it is, frankly I’m surprised he didn’t follow up that super empathetic comment with whatever.
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He just simply doesn’t care. Birx and Fauci are the real enemy anyway.

America 1st ... in deaths.
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Lock him up
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He just simply doesn’t care. Birx and Fauci are the real enemy anyway.

America 1st ... in deaths.
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So are you OK with Pelosi attacking Birx the way she is? Or is it only wrong to attack them when Republicans do it?

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America 1st ... in deaths.
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And guess which states are driving Americas death counts?

NY, NJ, CT. You know, all those right-wing places.

And guess which states are driving Americas death counts?

NY, NJ, CT. You know, all those right-wing places.

so you think the reason those States had the high mortality was because they were right wing?
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And guess which states are driving Americas death counts?

NY, NJ, CT. You know, all those right-wing places.

Jim must have been watching laura ingraham ... with that logic I assume their doing a better job because people aren't dying in droves . like 1000 a day is what it is to you ... what a pathetic matrix to use

I guess they weren't real americans who died just one less liberal in your mind to you and your pal Trump it is what it is .. I hope I really do hope that no one close to you or others who think the same way as you die from Covid 19 or even get its .. because, it is what it is.. won't have the same ring to it when its someone you care about

I think that interview shows off his true mental acuity, and Swane just ate him up and the campaign manager is insane allowing Trump to do those interviews. I hope he does one a week from now until the election, just keep giving him the shovel and he will dig his grave deeper.

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what a pathetic matrix to use



What??

Some states learn from their mistakes NY NJ CT all have low deaths and new cases last seven days
Some are making them now
MISS FL AZ S.C. LA TX AL NV GA
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And guess which states are driving Americas death counts?

NY, NJ, CT. You know, all those right-wing places.

You realize that all the mental midgets who refuse to wear masks are all right meaning freedom loving mouth breathers, right???
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Some states learn from their mistakes NY NJ CT all have low deaths and new cases last seven days
Some are making them now
MISS FL AZ S.C. LA TX AL NV GA
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this is stupid...go look at the graphs from each state...with the exception of Louisiana who had some early rise the states you listed all had low instance through june then and bump and they are trending down now...other states like Colorado had a bump in june..the only difference is when the rise occurred and the deaths per million in which the states of NJ, NJ, Mass, RI and CT are still huge leaders... California has the most total cases...these states will get hit again...that's when we'll see if they learned from their mistakes...our gina is already in a panic...washington, minnesota are having a surge...probably nothing to do with the mayhem on the streets every night

so you think the reason those States had the high mortality was because they were right wing?
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I assume you mean left-wing? No, I don't think it's because those states are left wing. But I also think it's really a leap to say it's Trumps fault. I was showing the lunacy of suggesting that one person controls all that.

And any sane comparison would look at death rates, not absolute number of deaths. I's expect more deaths in a country of 330 million than a country one-tenth that size.

Jim must have been watching laura ingraham ... with that logic I assume their doing a better job because people aren't dying in droves . like 1000 a day is what it is to you ... what a pathetic matrix to use

I guess they weren't real americans who died just one less liberal in your mind to you and your pal Trump it is what it is .. I hope I really do hope that no one close to you or others who think the same way as you die from Covid 19 or even get its .. because, it is what it is.. won't have the same ring to it when its someone you care about

I never, ever watch her. Too late.

As usual, you posted some jibberish so not sure what you're saying. Here's what I'm saying...the worst states in terms of death rates, happen to be liberal. So it's a stretch to blame Trump. But it's your whole reason to exist right now, so knock yourself out.

Trump didn't tell Diblasio and Pelosi to go on TV in late February and tell people it was safe to go out in public, crowded places. If they get zero blame for that, I'd like you to tell me why. And "because they are democrats" isn't a good reason.

Jim must have been watching laura ingraham ... with that logic I assume their doing a better job because people aren't dying in droves . like 1000 a day is what it is to you ... what a pathetic matrix to use

I guess they weren't real americans who died just one less liberal in your mind to you and your pal Trump it is what it is .. I hope I really do hope that no one close to you or others who think the same way as you die from Covid 19 or even get its .. because, it is what it is.. won't have the same ring to it when its someone you care about

"I guess they weren't real americans who died "

Can't imagine where you got that from. You're hearing voices.

We lose tens of thousands to the flu, to car accidents....but we don't stop living. We were told we just needed to flatten the curve, remember? We did that, no hospitals were overrun, Americans weren't choking to death in hospital waiting rooms for lack of ventilators. That didn't happen.

You realize that all the mental midgets who refuse to wear masks are all right meaning freedom loving mouth breathers, right???
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Most are, and I can't fathom the opposition to wearing masks. Stupid.

Some states learn from their mistakes NY NJ CT all have low deaths and new cases last seven days
Some are making them now
MISS FL AZ S.C. LA TX AL NV GA
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So the overall death rate doesn't matter. What matters, is comparing death rates over any time horizon you can find, to tell the political tale you want to tell.

Most are, and I can't fathom the opposition to wearing masks. Stupid.

I can help you fathom it if you need help. They are #^&#^&#^&#^&ing idiots.
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I assume you mean left-wing? No, I don't think it's because those states are left wing. But I also think it's really a leap to say it's Trumps fault. I was showing the lunacy of suggesting that one person controls all that.

And any sane comparison would look at death rates, not absolute number of deaths. I's expect more deaths in a country of 330 million than a country one-tenth that size.

Yes left wing LOL. I agree one person is not totally a fault. I'll give Trump some credit for Banning some travel from China but I think he's been absent and it showed no leadership Compassion or empathy.
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this is stupid...go look at the graphs from each state...with the exception of Louisiana who had some early rise the states you listed all had low instance through june then and bump and they are trending down now...other states like Colorado had a bump in june..the only difference is when the rise occurred and the deaths per million in which the states of NJ, NJ, Mass, RI and CT are still huge leaders... California has the most total cases...these states will get hit again...that's when we'll see if they learned from their mistakes...our gina is already in a panic...washington, minnesota are having a surge...probably nothing to do with the mayhem on the streets every night
This is based on the last seven days statistics and that tells the current trend
NY NJ and CT have declining rates of infection and death
The others I named have risen
The goal is to win the battle against the virus and what happens tomorrow and going forward is all that can be changed.
Testing, tracing, isolation of suspect cases, social distancing and wearing masks are the only current defenses.
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"I guess they weren't real americans who died "

Can't imagine where you got that from. You're hearing voices.

We lose tens of thousands to the flu, to car accidents....but we don't stop living. We were told we just needed to flatten the curve, remember? We did that, no hospitals were overrun, Americans weren't choking to death in hospital waiting rooms for lack of ventilators. That didn't happen.

Again you can spin anything. When you make comparison of Americans who have died as red or blue states you've made a distinction I hear you loud and clear

150 thousand deaths you really are clueless about how this pandemic works . Please you and your family members can be out front if you think we flattened ..anything. .. :tm:

Twitter Temporarily Blocks Trump From Tweeting for First Time Ever, Signaling It Will No Longer Permit Him to Post COVID-19 Misinformation—As It Could Cost Lives
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This is based on the last seven days statistics and that tells the current trend

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no, you based your "analysis" on the last 7 days..I looked a March-August

You realize that all the mental midgets who refuse to wear masks are all right meaning freedom loving mouth breathers, right???
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you realize that the big numbers in the states that have had a rise recently, California, TX, GA, FLA, Az are all in the counties that are around LA, Houston, Atlanta, Miami, Phoenix, "not bastions of right meaning mouth breathing"......I see lot's of leftist wearing their mask under their noses probably so they can look down their noses at others without obstruction....that's the "woke" way to wear it from what I've heard :hihi: I guess all of the democrats running around in gas masks and helmets these days are pretty safe though


ps...in RI the increases are in Porv, Pawt and CF which is where all of RI's right wing mouth breathing non-mask wearers are apparently:biglaugh:

There is no right or left when it comes to self centered stupid people who couldn’t care less about spreading this, if it cuts into their party and social plans. It’s a sad commentary on this country’s social and moral sensibilities, which is why it has always been so important for better messaging from the top and more national mandates on what everyone needed to do to collectively get this under control.

There is no right or left when it comes to self centered stupid people who couldn’t care less about spreading this, if it cuts into their party and social plans. It’s a sad commentary on this country’s social and moral sensibilities, which is why it has always been so important for better messaging from the top and more national mandates on what everyone needed to do to collectively get this under control.

weren't you the guy bitching that you couldn't go golfing early on because you knew how to socially distance effectively and golf safely and therefore should not be restricted while others were...probably some of the same mentality

weren't you the guy bitching that you couldn't go golfing early on because you knew how to socially distance effectively and golf safely and therefore should not be restricted while others were...probably some of the same mentality

OMG you are really reaching there, times are desperate on that side, I’m not the leader of the free world am I? I’m not the one costing millions of tax dollars on way to many golf outings so I can hobnob with the members and strut my stuff, all while putting money into the Trump family business. But hey since back my game is good, down to a five handicap and swinging with confidence, unlike this poser and clown you think is doing a good job. Trump is a grifter, hustler, deceiver and the biggest fraud this country has ever seen.

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There is no right or left when it comes to self centered stupid people who couldn’t care less about spreading this, if it cuts into their party and social plans. It’s a sad commentary on this country’s social and moral sensibilities, which is why it has always been so important for better messaging from the top and more national mandates on what everyone needed to do to collectively get this under control.


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weren't you the guy bitching that you couldn't go golfing


OMG you are really reaching there, times are desperate on that side, I’m not the leader of the free world am I? I’m not the one costing millions of tax dollars on way to many golf outings so I can hobnob with the members and strut my stuff, all while putting money into the Trump family business. But hey since back my game is good, down to a five handicap and swinging with confidence, unlike this poser and clown you think is doing a good job. Trump is a grifter, hustler, deceiver and the biggest fraud this country has ever seen.

you should check yourself for a fever :hihi:

The outbreaks we are seeing aren't from four golfers teeing off, staying 6 feet apart from tee to the 18th green, but hey I get it; you and SD like to find something to rant about.

The outbreaks we are seeing aren't from four golfers teeing off, staying 6 feet apart from tee to the 18th green, but hey I get it; you and SD like to find something to rant about.

you don't know that...and that really wasn't the point...but keep trying

When you post pointless gibberish it’s just hard to see what is spinning in your head.
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When you post pointless gibberish it’s just hard to see what is spinning in your head.
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it's ok, you can admit that you were being incredibly self-centered when you thought it was ok for you to golf while others were sacrificing and in some cases dying...it's probably a result of your white privilege and unintentional racism that has caused your thinking and self-importance....get down on one knee and say "stay woke" 30 times and you will be partially forgiven

boy are you out in left field, someone needs to up their meds.

which is why it has always been so important for better messaging from the top and more national mandates on what everyone needed to do to collectively get this under control.

I really don't know anybody who hasn't heard the messaging that you want. I don't recall a day when there hasn't been something, in the various media from which the nation gets its messages, about wearing masks and social distancing and how many have died and are dying and getting infected and how serious and dangerous and infectious this virus is.

The "top" is heard through the media. Much of the media says the "top" is stupid and incompetent so I don't know why anybody would believe what the "top" says. Why would you follow what the "top" says. You think the "top" is an idiot, crazy, and out to destroy us.

I don't think you would want an idiot to mandate anything. And the "top" is not constitutionally empowered to mandate how we act. And the notion that we are lemmings who do whatever Trump, or any President, tells us is an insult. It is un-American. We are independent, free-thinking, individuals. This is not a dictatorship.

And, anyway, Trump, is "messaging" the preferred correct way more precisely and consistently than before, especially than in the early stages when the media, the medical experts, and the politicians were all sending out mixed messages. When I hear someone doubting the need for masks, etc., they don't say it's because of what Trump says or doesn't say, but because of conflicting medical expert reports they cite which casts the doubts.

And the "top" which actually has the power to mandate various things we do is at the state level. Which is what has been happening, for good or for ill, very early on.

But I understand the need to constantly say or imply in whatever way possible that it's Trump's fault, even to the point that his supposed messaging is the problem.

boy are you out in left field, someone needs to up their meds.

you are a little slow on the uptake aren't you?:bl:

I really don't know anybody who hasn't heard the messaging that you want. I don't recall a day when there hasn't been something, in the various media from which the nation gets its messages, about wearing masks and social distancing and how many have died and are dying and getting infected and how serious and dangerous and infectious this virus is.

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shhhh....it's practically a secret

I really don't know anybody who hasn't heard the messaging that you want. I don't recall a day when there hasn't been something, in the various media from which the nation gets its messages, about wearing masks and social distancing and how many have died and are dying and getting infected and how serious and dangerous and infectious this virus is.

The "top" is heard through the media. Much of the media says the "top" is stupid and incompetent so I don't know why anybody would believe what the "top" says. Why would you follow what the "top" says. You think the "top" is an idiot, crazy, and out to destroy us.

I don't think you would want an idiot to mandate anything. And the "top" is not constitutionally empowered to mandate how we act. And the notion that we are lemmings who do whatever Trump, or any President, tells us is an insult. It is un-American. We are independent, free-thinking, individuals. This is not a dictatorship.

And, anyway, Trump, is "messaging" the preferred correct way more precisely and consistently than before, especially than in the early stages when the media, the medical experts, and the politicians were all sending out mixed messages. When I hear someone doubting the need for masks, etc., they don't say it's because of what Trump says or doesn't say, but because of conflicting medical expert reports they cite which casts the doubts.

And the "top" which actually has the power to mandate various things we do is at the state level. Which is what has been happening, for good or for ill, very early on.

But I understand the need to constantly say or imply in whatever way possible that it's Trump's fault, even to the point that his supposed messaging is the problem.

You claim that everything Covid-related is about hurting Tweety, yet you don't understand that your argument underscores Tweety's incompetence.

If Tweety managed Covid competently, the outbreak would either have had no effect on election, or dramatically improved his chances.
Just like for politicians in the rest of the world.

You claim that everything Covid-related is about hurting Tweety, yet you don't understand that your argument underscores Tweety's incompetence.

If Tweety managed Covid competently, the outbreak would either have had no effect on election, or dramatically improved his chances.
Just like for politicians in the rest of the world.

I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo that Trump is supposed to manage Covid.

I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo that Trump is supposed to manage Covid.

161 thousand deaths...89 thousand of those in a few democrat states now lecturing everyone about managing covid :spin:

I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo that Trump is supposed to manage Covid.

Why would anyone think a reality TV star is a capable leader of people.

Tweety's leadership qualities have been at best deadly to Americans.

America is (supposed to be) the greatest country on science and resources. This is why in the midst of international catastrophes, the USA usually takes leadership role, earning global admiration.

Tweety cut off the world and did nothing to help with a global response. The result was, that countries that expected a global response were left on their own to figure it out, as efforts to coordinate with the WHO took time to have a reorganized method of response. As a result, global anger at USA, and embarrassment for its people and NOT ONLY did Tweety fail to assume the traditional USA role, he actively worked to harm other nations because of his incompetence. He announced cutting funding to WHO, shrinking US influence there, he refused to join global vaccine effort, he worked to bribe and steal resources ordered by our allies, because we had failed to prepare.
If Tweety had simply shown the competence of Trudeau in Canada - who hasn't done an amazing job, but at least stopped catastrophic outcome - this would have been a nothing on the election, no one blames Tweety for there being a virus (blame is not important), they are terrified that his lack of coordinated effort or even a national plan displayed an incompetence that made it clear he was in no way capable of managing the presidency.
Tweety could have used his bully pulpit to encourage the best of Americans. He could have laid out the science of why masks work, why social distancing works, and told Americans - just like in WW2 - they had to unify with a single mindset in the homeland to defeat the enemy. And Fox would have said the exact opposite of what it does now, and praised the president for showing leadership. Then this whole "anti mask" crap would not be happening.

161 thousand deaths...89 thousand of those in a few democrat states now lecturing everyone about managing covid :spin:

Don't worry, the rest are rapidly catching up.
We are the only affluent nation to have suffered a severe, sustained outbreak for more than four months.
The end is not in sight and won't come without a comprehensive plan to contain it, or until we have a viable vaccine along with supply and distribution.
If you think a vaccine is the panacea, where is the vaccine for Aids or the common cold.

Tweety could have used his bully pulpit to encourage the best of Americans. .

Right. And you and the media would have bought into that.

Why would anyone think a reality TV star is a capable leader of people.

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Who would have thought he'd have the economy roaring, and the jihadists on their knees?

What awful president allowed this American carnage to happen?

What awful president allowed this American carnage to happen?

The liberal governors and mayors are siding with the rioters, and telling feds not to come. But NONE of that is their fault. That's what you're saying?

Tell me one major issue, just one, on which you think democrats are 100% wrong, and republicans are right? Anything? Or are you just a parrot who questions nothing from the left and denies everything from the right?

What awful president allowed this American carnage to happen?

You also dodged my question. Completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGe4dVzExU

The liberal governors and mayors are siding with the rioters, and telling feds not to come. But NONE of that is their fault. That's what you're saying?

Tell me one major issue, just one, on which you think democrats are 100% wrong, and republicans are right? Anything? Or are you just a parrot who questions nothing from the left and denies everything from the right?

Most Republicrats have been 100 % wrong on their opinions about masks.

That was pretty easy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_yModrSQ

Most Republicrats have been 100 % wrong on their opinions about masks.

That was pretty easy.
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while most who oppose masks are republican, is it most republicans? i don’t know. i can’t imagine opposing masks. not sure what you were responding to.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1a_yModrSQ

which candidate enjoys more support within his party?
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Tired of winning yet?

Americans favor Democrats to Republicans by double digits. Republicans suffered over a 10% decrease falling from 44% to 39% just since May.

Tweety's Republican Party = Fail.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/315734/party-preferences-swung-sharply-toward-democrats.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0ISbC0-XDIvdtgDS87W9NWfuf7R-Z6sCDRHlHXszRSGfKcnIQtMeyv92E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBwxpDfLok

while most who oppose masks are republican, is it most republicans? i don’t know. i can’t imagine opposing masks. not sure what you were responding to.
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Could be THE most influential republican only just recently started wearing or even suggesting they were important, but Detbuch I’m sure will advise us all why the messaging from the top has been perfect like THE phone call. Spinning heads
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Could be THE most influential republican only just recently started wearing or even suggesting they were important, but Detbuch I’m sure will advise us all why the messaging from the top has been perfect like THE phone call. Spinning heads
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i don’t think he’s the most influential
in terms of what people
think. not even close.
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Tired of winning yet?

Americans favor Democrats to Republicans by double digits. Republicans suffered over a 10% decrease falling from 44% to 39% just since May.

Tweety's Republican Party = Fail.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/315734/party-preferences-swung-sharply-toward-democrats.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0ISbC0-XDIvdtgDS87W9NWfuf7R-Z6sCDRHlHXszRSGfKcnIQtMeyv92E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBwxpDfLok

and what did gallup say in election day 2016? rasmussen has trumps approval at 51%, who knows.

but i think trump gets creamed in november. in december i’d have said he wins 30 states, i don’t see that he survives getting blamed for covid and the floyd race hoax. and i give him a big, fat F for allowing those violent protests to continue. should
have sent in the cavalry.
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What’s left of the Republican Party is a solid 30% who, if Tweety were strangling the life out of them, would (a) believe they had it coming to them and (b) die happy knowing his hands had touched them.
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i don’t think he’s the most influential
in terms of what people
think. not even close.
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I think that depends on which side of the isle you are on, how stupid you are or how much you hate anyone telling you what to do. Seems every week there is a new video of some raging anti masker giving someone their opinion on masks.
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QUOTE=Pete F.;1198222]Why would anyone think a reality TV star is a capable leader of people.

The Founders of this country would not have denigrated any individual accomplishments, nor anyone that had accrued a net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Most of them had not accomplished more than Trump, nor as much. Most of them would have thought that your snobbish view was more suitable to the Continental European elites, than representative of American individualist character.

Tweety's leadership qualities have been at best deadly to Americans.

Oh, for Pete's sake! At its best!!? At its best we were having the best economy in the world.

America is (supposed to be) the greatest country on science and resources. This is why in the midst of international catastrophes, the USA usually takes leadership role, earning global admiration.

Why is it supposed to be that? The Founders had a different concept. They didn't propose a competition for global admiration. They didn't want to be the best "country" so much as the freest people. If they considered us a "global" leader, they would think so only as a living example of a society that showed a way for individuals to freely pursue life, liberty, and happiness. They would have wanted all the people of all other countries to have the same liberties. And for them to be good and peaceful and successful trading partners. But they had no hankering to be embroiled in global catastrophes, neither as a leader nor a follower.

Tweety cut off the world

How so and what do you mean. Travel bans?

and did nothing to help with a global response.

That's not true. As for the global conference to raise money for coronavirus vaccine:

US "Senior administration officials said that the U.S. is supportive of the summit and that the administration has already provided $2.4 billion in total for the coronavirus response, including economic assistance, global health funding and humanitarian aid.

"Despite its absence at the pledging summit, the U.S. has and will continue to cooperate on research efforts, the two senior officials said, arguing that participation in international conferences like this one doesn't speak to work on the scientific front, where U.S. public and private research has helped expand global understanding of COVID-19.

"There's really a tremendous amount of international coordination that is ongoing on vaccine, therapeutic and diagnostic efforts, so we have had an extraordinary ramp-up of international coordination. That is something that is ongoing," the first official said. "We are going to work very closely with European partners and others around the world and continue to lead in that effort to achieve a robust response."

And the most important cooperation is not between countries, but between the scientists, researchers, medical practioners, and inter country agencies

As for here at home, we have all these wonderful, unconstitutional regulatory agencies that are supposed to be attending to the work of fighting the virus. As well as the states and their agencies.

Don't even know what you mean by "global." You mean like there's this gathering of all the nations of the earth who are all working in unison. Really?

The result was, that countries that expected a global response were left on their own to figure it out,

Wait . . . the rest of the globe wasn't in unison, and the US not being the leader left countries to figure it out on their own? Couldn't they all figure it out together without us. Doesn't sound like much global unity is existing out there.

as efforts to coordinate with the WHO took time to have a reorganized method of response.

Coordinate with the WHO? Isn't that who coordinated with China to tell us initially that the virus was not very transmittable? That travel bans were not necessary. That we shouldn't be overly concerned about it?

As a result, global anger at USA, and embarrassment for its people and NOT ONLY did Tweety fail to assume the traditional USA role, he actively worked to harm other nations because of his incompetence.

Global Anger!!! Whoa . . . look out. Don't remember any actual embarrassment by anybody I know. There was this PeteF and Dem and leftist media anger and this media reported embarrassment--kinda like ginned up.

And this traditional USA role--like how it took us two years before entering WWI and the last to jump into WWII.

And Trump actively worked to harm other nations? I remember China actively allowing the virus to spread worldwide, but that's just a mere bagatelle. It's Trump, the real villain for not taking on the role of the World leader.

He announced cutting funding to WHO,

Folks there should take a pay cut for the poor job they did in the beginning before we cut their funds.

shrinking US influence there, he refused to join global vaccine effort,

The vaccine effort seems to be going very well. Don't know why he has to join it, even though he asked for and promoted it. And praises it. What . . . do you want him to roll up his sleeves and help with the research activities, or sweep the floors for them? Those companies have been discovering medical cures for decades without Trump joining them.

he worked to bribe and steal resources ordered by our allies, because we had failed to prepare.

That's a hoot--you erroneously criticized him for supposedly sending our scarce supplies to China, now you say he's stealing stuff for us. Can't win for losing. Don't know how that is going, but, supposedly, we're helping to stock supplies of masks and ventilators to other countries who have a shortage.

If Tweety had simply shown the competence of Trudeau in Canada - who hasn't done an amazing job, but at least stopped catastrophic outcome -

Thank God we don't have the likes of Trudeau as President. But if the Dems win, we may very well get someone of his far left "caliber."

this would have been a nothing on the election, no one blames Tweety for there being a virus (blame is not important yeah, it kinda is for you), they are terrified that his lack of coordinated effort or even a national plan,

there is a national plan in place that he followed and there is coordination with the states who have the bulk of the responsibility in carrying out those plans.

displayed an incompetence that made it clear he was in no way capable of managing the presidency.

He displayed quite a bit of competence in carrying out the plan.

Tweety could have used his bully pulpit to encourage the best of Americans. He could have laid out the science of why masks work, why social distancing works, and told Americans - just like in WW2 - they had to unify with a single mindset in the homeland to defeat the enemy. And Fox would have said the exact opposite of what it does now, and praised the president for showing leadership. Then this whole "anti mask" crap would not be happening.[/QUOTE]

He is encouraging us to where masks when appropriate and social distancing and encouraging us to believe that things will get better and that our economy will rebound and that we are a great country and we shall overcome this monster.

QUOTE=Pete F.;1198222]Why would anyone think a reality TV star is a capable leader of people.

The Founders of this country would not have denigrated any individual accomplishments, nor anyone that had accrued a net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Most of them had not accomplished more than Trump, nor as much. Most of them would have thought that your snobbish view was more suitable to the Continental European elites, than representative of American individualist character.

Tweety's leadership qualities have been at best deadly to Americans.

Oh, for Pete's sake! At its best!!? At its best we were having the best economy in the world.

America is (supposed to be) the greatest country on science and resources. This is why in the midst of international catastrophes, the USA usually takes leadership role, earning global admiration.

Why is it supposed to be that? The Founders had a different concept. They didn't propose a competition for global admiration. They didn't want to be the best "country" so much as the freest people. If they considered us a "global" leader, they would think so only as a living example of a society that showed a way for individuals to freely pursue life, liberty, and happiness. They would have wanted all the people of all other countries to have the same liberties. And for them to be good and peaceful and successful trading partners. But they had no hankering to be embroiled in global catastrophes, neither as a leader nor a follower.

Tweety cut off the world

How so and what do you mean. Travel bans?

and did nothing to help with a global response.

That's not true. As for the global conference to raise money for coronavirus vaccine:

US "Senior administration officials said that the U.S. is supportive of the summit and that the administration has already provided $2.4 billion in total for the coronavirus response, including economic assistance, global health funding and humanitarian aid.

"Despite its absence at the pledging summit, the U.S. has and will continue to cooperate on research efforts, the two senior officials said, arguing that participation in international conferences like this one doesn't speak to work on the scientific front, where U.S. public and private research has helped expand global understanding of COVID-19.

"There's really a tremendous amount of international coordination that is ongoing on vaccine, therapeutic and diagnostic efforts, so we have had an extraordinary ramp-up of international coordination. That is something that is ongoing," the first official said. "We are going to work very closely with European partners and others around the world and continue to lead in that effort to achieve a robust response."

And the most important cooperation is not between countries, but between the scientists, researchers, medical practioners, and inter country agencies

As for here at home, we have all these wonderful, unconstitutional regulatory agencies that are supposed to be attending to the work of fighting the virus. As well as the states and their agencies.

Don't even know what you mean by "global." You mean like there's this gathering of all the nations of the earth who are all working in unison. Really?

The result was, that countries that expected a global response were left on their own to figure it out,

Wait . . . the rest of the globe wasn't in unison, and the US not being the leader left countries to figure it out on their own? Couldn't they all figure it out together without us. Doesn't sound like much global unity is existing out there.

as efforts to coordinate with the WHO took time to have a reorganized method of response.

Coordinate with the WHO? Isn't that who coordinated with China to tell us initially that the virus was not very transmittable? That travel bans were not necessary. That we shouldn't be overly concerned about it?

As a result, global anger at USA, and embarrassment for its people and NOT ONLY did Tweety fail to assume the traditional USA role, he actively worked to harm other nations because of his incompetence.

Global Anger!!! Whoa . . . look out. Don't remember any actual embarrassment by anybody I know. There was this PeteF and Dem and leftist media anger and this media reported embarrassment--kinda like ginned up.

And this traditional USA role--like how it took us two years before entering WWI and the last to jump into WWII.

And Trump actively worked to harm other nations? I remember China actively allowing the virus to spread worldwide, but that's just a mere bagatelle. It's Trump, the real villain for not taking on the role of the World leader.

He announced cutting funding to WHO,

Folks there should take a pay cut for the poor job they did in the beginning before we cut their funds.

shrinking US influence there, he refused to join global vaccine effort,

The vaccine effort seems to be going very well. Don't know why he has to join it, even though he asked for and promoted it. And praises it. What . . . do you want him to roll up his sleeves and help with the research activities, or sweep the floors for them? Those companies have been discovering medical cures for decades without Trump joining them.

he worked to bribe and steal resources ordered by our allies, because we had failed to prepare.

That's a hoot--you erroneously criticized him for supposedly sending our scarce supplies to China, now you say he's stealing stuff for us. Can't win for losing. Don't know how that is going, but, supposedly, we're helping to stock supplies of masks and ventilators to other countries who have a shortage.

If Tweety had simply shown the competence of Trudeau in Canada - who hasn't done an amazing job, but at least stopped catastrophic outcome -

Thank God we don't have the likes of Trudeau as President. But if the Dems win, we may very well get someone of his far left "caliber."

this would have been a nothing on the election, no one blames Tweety for there being a virus (blame is not important yeah, it kinda is for you), they are terrified that his lack of coordinated effort or even a national plan,

there is a national plan in place that he followed and there is coordination with the states who have the bulk of the responsibility in carrying out those plans.

displayed an incompetence that made it clear he was in no way capable of managing the presidency.

He displayed quite a bit of competence in carrying out the plan.

Tweety could have used his bully pulpit to encourage the best of Americans. He could have laid out the science of why masks work, why social distancing works, and told Americans - just like in WW2 - they had to unify with a single mindset in the homeland to defeat the enemy. And Fox would have said the exact opposite of what it does now, and praised the president for showing leadership. Then this whole "anti mask" crap would not be happening.

He is encouraging us to where masks when appropriate and social distancing and encouraging us to believe that things will get better and that our economy will rebound and that we are a great country and we shall overcome this monster.[/QUOTE]

At this point, I’d say masks are appropriate from the minute you go to open your front door knob.

By the way, I make sure to tell every maskless knob in Massachusetts just how smart and handsome they are until they run screaming to their Trump Train.

GTFAOfMassachusetts, you #^&#^&#^&#^&s!
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What’s left of the Republican Party is a solid 30% who, if Tweety were strangling the life out of them, would (a) believe they had it coming to them and (b) die happy knowing his hands had touched them.
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right, and 70% support abortion in the 9th month and taking over cities when you don’t get your way and reparations.
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The US has 4% of the world's population but 25% of its coronavirus cases.

Key Model Predicts Nearly 300,000 Coronavirus Deaths by December
But more than 66,000 lives could be saved if virtually everyone wore masks when leaving their homes, according to data from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.:deadhorse:



Chech out the sturgis web site. No mention of Covid masks or anything
https://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com/

Next superspreader event? Even Germany canceled Octoberfest 3 months ago , Napoleon 1813: break after four years
1854: cholera dampens festive spirits 1866 and 1873: Even more war and cholera Money troubles in 1923 World War II: four years later Oktoberfest was back in action and 2020. People before money. It makes 1.5 billion in 4 weeks

Also. President Trump says he's "optimistic" that a vaccine will be ready around Election Day, and it "wouldn't hurt" his chances against former Vice President Joe Biden

Everyone Saw that coming ... tying the vaccine to the election

right, and 70% support abortion in the 9th month and taking over cities when you don’t get your way and reparations.
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Well, if only 30% support your view, in this political system you’re a loser.
Though if you believe Tweety’s lies that throughly you’re a loser anyways
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I think that depends on which side of the isle you are on, how stupid you are or how much you hate anyone telling you what to do. Seems every week there is a new video of some raging anti masker giving someone their opinion on masks.
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And every minute there's a raging liberal protester throwing a rock at a cop who didn't do anything to them. Whose fault is that?

I don't get why Trump is somehow responsible for everything bad that any conservative does. But if that's true, you don't seem to be holding Biden responsible for the rioting (rioting based on a lie, as we now know).