Nancy strolled into a closed salon without a mask. caught red handed, she claims the salon owner set her up. she didn’t say, exactly, how the salon owner ripped the mask from her face, the mask which pelosi always says we must wear.

the salon owner just asked tucker carlson, if nancy pelosi can gonin there and not wear a mask and feel safe and comfortable, why can’t i open up and let others do the same exact thing?

great question.

Liberals here have an answer?

every single time trump goes without a mask, pelosi attacks him
for it.

pelosi supports the shutdown, then she flouts the shutdown she advocates for, then once caught, she blames the woman who is suffering from
the shutdown.

can’t make it up.
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must be good to be the queen.
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So the sitting president held the RNC convention at the White House, and you’re more worried about Pelosi getting her hair done?
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They tented the ramp to the USS NC for Rampboy’s visit today so we couldn’t see him lose to yet another ramp.
Then he advised the citizens to commit a felony by attempting to vote twice.
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So the sitting president held the RNC convention at the White House, and you’re more worried about Pelosi getting her hair done?
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but trump! waaaah!

say pete, you still
clinging to the demonstrably false bullsh*t that trump
never condemned racist violence at charlottesville? or can you admit you bought into a lie?
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She may have been set up as she said but she should have known the rules.

I've always said Jim was a petty person. We have a vile, lying, crooked president who breaks every norm possible yet a thread is started about a hair cutting appt. If anyone complains about anyone else starting a thread and doesn't comment about this thread, they are hypocrites.

She may have been set up as she said but she should have known the rules.

I've always said Jim was a petty person. We have a vile, lying, crooked president who breaks every norm possible yet a thread is started about a hair cutting appt. If anyone complains about anyone else starting a thread and doesn't comment about this thread, they are hypocrites.

and i’ve often said you’re a liar. i have said almost as often as you, that trump is vile. we agree.

where we disagree, is that i don’t think trumps many flaws, prohibit us from saying Pelosi is a disgusting hypocrite.

you and pete are so consumed with trump, that you can’t talk for two seconds about an issue unrelated to trump, without bringing him into it. to you, criticizing anyone not named donald trump, is a character flaw.

TDS.

paul, no one here needs lessons in civility, from anyone who still uses the word retard.
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She may have been set up as she said but she should have known the rules.

I've always said Jim was a petty person. We have a vile, lying, crooked president who breaks every norm possible yet a thread is started about a hair cutting appt. If anyone complains about anyone else starting a thread and doesn't comment about this thread, they are hypocrites.

paul, was her not wearing a mask part of the setup? did the salon force her to take her mask off?
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Agree she should have set an example, maybe a set up I don’t have details, but to bitch about her setting a bad example to an audience of one as compared to Trumps months of bad examples to an audience of millions is laughable. Jim you should give it up that’s is a pathetic reach for a win, but you keep trying and in about nine weeks you will either have your win or hopefully we will.

Trumps health and fitness is questionable and yet you are more concerned about a hair dresser appointment, maybe you should consider your guy might be showing signs a dementia. Happens to older men in particular, paranoia, latent racist tendencies come out, difficulty pronouncing what should be simple words, the list of examples is getting bigger. You might be comfortable with him in charge, but it’s time for him to be shown the door before he does more damage.

every liberal here, brought trump into the argument.

gs, how did the setup involve removing her mask? pelosi is constantly attacking people for not wearing masks. how did the salon force her to take her mask off?

but trump!

you guys are like sitcom characters, right out of central casting.
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and i’ve often said you’re a liar. i have said almost as often as you, that trump is vile. we agree.

where we disagree, is that i don’t think trumps many flaws, prohibit us from saying Pelosi is a disgusting hypocrite.

you and pete are so consumed with trump, that you can’t talk for two seconds about an issue unrelated to trump, without bringing him into it. to you, criticizing anyone not named donald trump, is a character flaw.

TDS.

paul, no one here needs lessons in civility, from anyone who still uses the word retard.
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Who cares what you think as I think you're an angry vile person. Watching the distasteful way you talk about women is unbelievable and when I asked if your wife would mind you said she agrees with you. A real match made in heaven. And you know the reason I use retard was to rile you up because you and others with TDS have no problem with Trump up there mocking someone with a disability.
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paul, was her not wearing a mask part of the setup? did the salon force her to take her mask off?
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She said they told her if she was the only person in the building she could get her hair done. Then she said he only had the mask off because her hair was wet. Either way as I said she should have known the rules
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Who cares what you think as I think you're an angry vile person. Watching the distasteful way you talk about women is unbelievable and when I asked if your wife would mind you said she agrees with you. A real match made in heaven. And you know the reason I use retard was to rile you up because you and others with TDS have no problem with Trump up there mocking someone with a disability.
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Jim: paul, it’s offensive to say retard.

Paul: trump made fun of someone too!!!

paul, is there any topic anyone can bring up, in which you don’t pivot to bashing trump?
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but trump! waaaah!

say pete, you still
clinging to the demonstrably false bullsh*t that trump
never condemned racist violence at charlottesville? or can you admit you bought into a lie?
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Maybe you should refresh our memory, because if I recall correctly, I would characterize the most repeated clips as deflecting blame rather than condemnation.... that would be something along the lines of there being "good" people on both sides?

Pelosi is awful too... Part of the swamp I was led to believe we were going to get rid of... Hah! How's that working out for ALL of us?

This took longer than expected

SO the owner of the salon
Allowed people to cut her hair? Violating the city ordinance then goes on fox to complain about it?
But that of course what normal people do...

She had her mask but not on her face after getting her hair washed yet
The other 2 people. Were wearing masks. Weres all the footage from this salon


Yet Jared flew fro Israel to The UAE in business class with out a Mask ,and Pence when asked about the event on the white house lawn with 1500 plus people not wearing masks by foxes Brett Baier, he ramble on about trusting Americans and masks were offered.
And basically said who are we to mandate them to wear them..

Funny jim watches this video and Nancy's a hypocrite. But watchs a kid kill a man but hes a hero .. you cant make this stuff up
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This took longer than expected

SO the owner of the salon
Allowed people to cut her hair? Violating the city ordinance then goes on fox to complain about it?
But that of course what normal people do...

She had her mask but not on her face after getting her hair washed yet
The other 2 people. Were wearing masks. Weres all the footage from this salon


Yet Jared flew fro Israel to The UAE in business class with out a Mask ,and Pence when asked about the event on the white house lawn with 1500 plus people not wearing masks by foxes Brett Baier, he ramble on about trusting Americans and masks were offered.
And basically said who are we to mandate them to wear them..

Funny jim watches this video and Nancy's a hypocrite. But watchs a kid kill a man but hes a hero .. you cant make this stuff up
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well, the obvious difference is that the little demented fool has been lecturing everyone for months but then does exactly the opposite of what she's been lecturing...there is a word for that....

and....

I'm glad the kid was able to defend himself and not beaten to death by the mob.....if you attack someone...you deserve whatever happens to you...

every liberal here, brought trump into the argument.

gs, how did the setup involve removing her mask? pelosi is constantly attacking people for not wearing masks. how did the salon force her to take her mask off?

but trump!

you guys are like sitcom characters, right out of central casting.
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You sir are a sad case as I sad above desperately looking for a win. This administration has refused to wear masks until it was basically forced to by public opinion and “science”, which is of course why it took so long, because Trump is the master science denier. Even then there were countless times he still refused to wear one and held events with masks optional. BUT Nancy in her hair dressing appointment, you need help buddy it’s getting pathetic.

This took longer than expected

SO the owner of the salon
Allowed people to cut her hair? Violating the city ordinance then goes on fox to complain about it?
But that of course what normal people do...

She had her mask but not on her face after getting her hair washed yet
The other 2 people. Were wearing masks. Weres all the footage from this salon


Yet Jared flew fro Israel to The UAE in business class with out a Mask ,and Pence when asked about the event on the white house lawn with 1500 plus people not wearing masks by foxes Brett Baier, he ramble on about trusting Americans and masks were offered.
And basically said who are we to mandate them to wear them..

Funny jim watches this video and Nancy's a hypocrite. But watchs a kid kill a man but hes a hero .. you cant make this stuff up
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I saw the same footage. What I saw, is a woman who scolds people for not wearing a mask, not wearing a mask as she was walking across the room. Is that not what you saw?

You sir are a sad case as I sad above desperately looking for a win. This administration has refused to wear masks until it was basically forced to by public opinion and “science”, which is of course why it took so long, because Trump is the master science denier. Even then there were countless times he still refused to wear one and held events with masks optional. BUT Nancy in her hair dressing appointment, you need help buddy it’s getting pathetic.

I'm very happy and I concluded long ago that a win is unlikely. I live in CT for Gods sake, I am very used to dealing with losing.

You sir, are someone who is obsessed with Trump, so much so that you feel a compulsion to somehow work Trump bashing into every conversation.

Funny jim watches this video and Nancy's a hypocrite. But watchs a kid kill a man but hes a hero .. you cant make this stuff up
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You're talking about Rittenhouse? I made Rittenhouse out to be a hero? I said Rittenhouse showed very poor judgment, was probably looking for trouble, but we don't know enough yet to conclude he's a murderer.

Please post anything I said about Rittenhouse, which any sane person could conclude was making him out to be a hero.

I'm very happy and I concluded long ago that a win is unlikely. I live in CT for Gods sake, I am very used to dealing with losing.

You sir, are someone who is obsessed with Trump, so much so that you feel a compulsion to somehow work Trump bashing into every conversation.

I’d bash a Democrat if they performed like Trump, he just happens to be the guy currently doing what I consider a miserable job and I feel he truly is a threat to our national security. I’m obsessed with chasing my first 60’s golf round and I’m a bit obsessive about maintaining my yard, but otherwise I don’t lose sleep over watching yet another Trump blooper of the day.

She said they told her if she was the only person in the building she could get her hair done. Then she said he only had the mask off because her hair was wet. Either way as I said she should have known the rules
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yes, you did say that, fair enough.

We shouldn’t pay much attention to Pelosi getting her hair done.
Tweety has a make-up team, and sometimes that’s not enough, so he does his own make-up and just about anything he’s ever said on TV, he made up.

We shouldn’t pay much attention to Pelosi getting her hair done.
Tweety has a make-up team, and sometimes that’s not enough, so he does his own make-up and just about anything he’s ever said on TV, he made up.

fine. how about we pay attention to whether or not trump condemned the violence in charlottesville. any comment on that?
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fine. how about we pay attention to whether or not trump condemned the violence in charlottesville. any comment on that?
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Boy are you stuck in the way back machine, how about the present, President Trump, on Wednesday during a trip in battleground North Carolina, urged voters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, to test the protections intended to guard against double voting.

No issue there where the president of the United States is suggesting voters break the law by intentionally voting twice. Focus on the threat he is, not the blatant white supremacy in his veins, calling out acts of violence wrong which any president should do, doesn’t erase all the times he has encouraged violence and supported white supremacy in his round about way.
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Boy are you stuck in the way back machine, how about the present, President Trump, on Wednesday during a trip in battleground North Carolina, urged voters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, to test the protections intended to guard against double voting.

No issue there where the president of the United States is suggesting voters break the law by intentionally voting twice. Focus on the threat he is, not the blatant white supremacy in his veins, calling out acts of violence wrong which any president should do, doesn’t erase all the times he has encouraged violence and supported white supremacy in his round about way.
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pete just brought it up, so direct your ridicule at him. i posted a story from TIME that had a transcript of trumps response, including 4-5 places where he specifically condemned racists.

denying he condemned racists at charlottesville, is about as rational as saying obama wasn’t born here. it’s demonstrably false.
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Boy are you stuck in the way back machine, how about the present, President Trump, on Wednesday during a trip in battleground North Carolina, urged voters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, to test the protections intended to guard against double voting.


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I plan to vote three times each in several states

well, the obvious difference is that the little demented fool has been lecturing everyone for months but then does exactly the opposite of what she's been lecturing...there is a word for that....

and....

I'm glad the kid was able to defend himself and not beaten to death by the mob.....if you attack someone...you deserve whatever happens to you...

The kid... The kid had traveled there and had an AR-15. It was not his business or hometown. He was out to "defend" a business from mob rioting. Put himself there. And then proceeds into the streets, challenging protestors, with his weapon at the ready... You are right. He put himself in that situation. He made an attack move when he rushed down the street, armed, weapon armed and safety off. You are right. The kid deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law, as an adult. He is lucky someone with CCW didn't blow his brains all over the streets....

He is lucky someone with CCW didn't blow his brains all over the streets....
I was thinking the same thing, or have the police take him down if they saw a shooting. There's a video floating around of someone who looks like him in July getting in a fight and punching a girl. Can't verify if it's accurate but that and potential social media issues could really undermine a defense.

He is lucky someone with CCW didn't blow his brains all over the streets....

and why would they do that? he didn't threaten anyone that I've seen, he was chased and beaten by lunatics...he defended himself...I believe the guy with the missing bicep was armed...the kid was a better shot

He went out of his way looking for exactly what happened to transpire, your deluding yourself if he was there to defend a neighbors store, he got what he wanted.

He went out of his way looking for exactly what happened to transpire, your deluding yourself if he was there to defend a neighbors store, he got what he wanted.

Ahh. Mind reading.

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

The head victim and generally immature individual in the White House tweets

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Crazy Nancy Pelosi said she was “set up” by the beauty parlor owner when she improperly had the salon opened (and didn’t wear a MASK!). Does anyone want a Speaker of the House who can be so easily SET UP?

Because the Speaker, who's running essentially unopposed, lives rent free in his brain, next door to Hilary & 44, while Putin holds the Deed on his ability to remain in office. It’s complicated, to say the least.

So while he's majoring in the minor, people are dying from Covid on his watch & he doesn’t have a plan. Russia paid bounties for the death of American service members & he doesn’t have a response.

But he'll gladly distract from what you should be paying attention to on his watch.............

190,000 Dead
6.3 Million infected

Americans marching in the streets

Wackos on the left and right in armed combat

How many million unemployed

A friendly reminder that trump’s economy is actually historically bad but the treasury spent $7T of your future tax dollars to buy corporate debt & bonds to falsely prop up the stock market. How else could it do so well? The stock market is not the economy.

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

And Then they bring up past behavior as if that is supposed to justify that. I thought we’re not supposed to do that. :huh:
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give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons
It's worth noting that he isn't a rapist and the protesters were trying to disarm an active shooter.

I saw the same footage. What I saw, is a woman who scolds people for not wearing a mask, not wearing a mask as she was walking across the room. Is that not what you saw?

Wow jim 3 people in a room 2 with masks and 6ft apart oh the horror.. 6 steps with out a Mask .. 1500 with out mask south law and Trump since the start of the pandemic. But that's ok

give them credit for consistency on this one...rapist gets shot resisting arrest while brandishing a weapon and they support the rapist....three rioting loons get shot attacking a kid and they support the rioting loons

Oh so now he was brandishing a weapon :btu:

You do know that brandshing a weapon for a black guy it gets him 7 in the back. But 2 white folks brandishing 2 weapons gets you to speak at the RNC :claps:

Oh so now he was brandishing a weapon :btu:

You do know that brandshing a weapon for a black guy it gets him 7 in the back. But 2 white folks brandishing 2 weapons gets you to speak at the RNC :claps:
Wasn't brandishing a weapon.

Wasn't brandishing a weapon.

I know ,, still waiting to see that video scott saw showing that. And the one of the kid just minding his busines out for a stroll having to defend himself 3 different times

and why would they do that? he didn't threaten anyone that I've seen, he was chased and beaten by lunatics...he defended himself...I believe the guy with the missing bicep was armed...the kid was a better shot

The kid... the seventeen year old kid should have been at home, not out openly carrying an AR-15. He wasn't necessarily a better shot, he was definitely better armed... Furthermore, he tripped and fell. He was not beaten before he fired. And what was he thinking? Clearly he was not acting as a member of an organized militia. He was out for adventure, IMO. (NOT mind reading here, Jim.) Hell, if I was out there, (big if, mind you) and I see a young gunman running down the street, not wearing a uniform that I know, hell yeah, I am more than likely ready to train my weapon on him as the immediate risk. As I said, he was lucky it was just fools out in the streets that night.

Ross that’s way to logical, they don’t respond well to if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck; nope they see a turtle.

The kid... the seventeen year old kid should have been at home, not out.

My mom would have kicked my butt.
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It's worth noting that he isn't a rapist and the protesters were trying to disarm an active shooter.

a sincere question...he wasn't wanted on a warrant for committing a sex crime against the mother of his kids?

Wow jim 3 people in a room 2 with masks and 6ft apart oh the horror..

If what Pelosi did is OK, why cant the salons open so that other citizens can enjoy the same services she received?

Have fun answering that.

a sincere question...he wasn't wanted on a warrant for committing a sex crime against the mother of his kids?

I'm sure #MeToo would have a different perspective
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The kid... the seventeen year old kid should have been at home, not out openly carrying an AR-15. He wasn't necessarily a better shot, he was definitely better armed... Furthermore, he tripped and fell. He was not beaten before he fired. And what was he thinking? Clearly he was not acting as a member of an organized militia. He was out for adventure, IMO. (NOT mind reading here, Jim.) Hell, if I was out there, (big if, mind you) and I see a young gunman running down the street, not wearing a uniform that I know, hell yeah, I am more than likely ready to train my weapon on him as the immediate risk. As I said, he was lucky it was just fools out in the streets that night.

What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there?

He was being chased by several men. When he fell, they started to swarm on him, one appeared ready to stomp on him, then he opened fire. At that point, it looked like self defense to me. But, maybe the trial will bring out whatever the truth is, or bring out whatever the truth is supposed to be according to those who will make the final judgment.

As far as his age goes in determining whether he is a misguided fool or a supposed hero, we still have Greta Thunberg, same age, out there stumping for climate control. She is celebrated, honored, glorified, especially because of her age--almost an insult to all the adults who sit quietly at home and say nothing.

I guess it depends on which "side" your on if it's OK, or even really good, for a 17 year old to jump into the fray.

What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there?

He was being chased by several men. When he fell, they started to swarm on him, one appeared ready to stomp on him, then he opened fire. At that point, it looked like self defense to me. But, maybe the trial will bring out whatever the truth is, or bring out whatever the truth is supposed to be according to those who will make the final judgment.

As far as his age goes in determining whether he is a misguided fool or a supposed hero, we still have Greta Thunberg, same age, out there stumping for climate control. She is celebrated, honored, glorified, especially because of her age--almost an insult to all the adults who sit quietly at home and say nothing.

I guess it depends on which "side" your on if it's OK, or even really good, for a 17 year old to jump into the fray.

I missed the part where Greta shot people.... Maybe it was on the sailboat and word never got around.... :huh:

What has his age got to do with it? What were all those other UNARMED people older than him there for? Did their age somehow give them more intellegence, qualification, or reason to be there WITHOUT THE NEED TO BRANDISH AN AR-15?


Look, I am not agreeing or siding with protestors here. But I will try to make an unbiased decision about right vs wrong when it comes to the use of firearms and deadly force. This isn't political. Every damn thing seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. This is not an all or none world...

If what Pelosi did is OK, why cant the salons open so that other citizens can enjoy the same services she received?

Have fun answering that.

Ask the owner she allowed it..

Jim are you responsible for a restaurant adherence to board of health standards ...

I went to a brewery the other day and said we were just having drinks

Was told you must order food you can't just drink

A perfect example of who knows the rules of the state and town ordinance..

But do what you do best ansking the same question differently expecting a diffrent answer
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I missed the part where Greta shot people.... Maybe it was on the sailboat and word never got around.... :huh:

I responded to age being an issue. And nobody chased Greta with intent to seriously harm or kill her. I'm just guessing. Don't know for sure. But if several men did chase her down because of what she said, and she had a gun, I'm guessing you'd be OK with her shooting them.

Look, I am not agreeing or siding with protestors here. But I will try to make an unbiased decision about right vs wrong when it comes to the use of firearms and deadly force. This isn't political. Every damn thing seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. This is not an all or none world...

First, it's not true that all those older "protesters" were unarmed, as you edited my post to say, one of them chasing him had a pistol and another during the chase fired a shot in the air.

I agree that everything seems to be tied to pro Trump or anti Trump. Except I don't think that it is merely "seems." It is intentional. Making it about Trump is the way to hide real issues and intents.

Just for the sake of argument, take Trump out of the equation and every thing else remains the same. Analyzing it that way might clarify what is actually happening.

Ask the owner she allowed it..

Jim are you responsible for a restaurant adherence to board of health standards ...

I went to a brewery the other day and said we were just having drinks

Was told you must order food you can't just drink

A perfect example of who knows the rules of the state and town ordinance..

But do what you do best ansking the same question differently expecting a diffrent answer
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the salon owner doesn’t make laws. pelosi does.
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I'm sure #MeToo would have a different perspective
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it appears the lefts opposition to mistreating women, is highly selective. which means it’s fake.
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a sincere question...he wasn't wanted on a warrant for committing a sex crime against the mother of his kids?
She made an accusation he touched her inappropriately or something. Not nothing but also not confirmed or rape by any standards.

She made an accusation he touched her inappropriately or something. Not nothing but also not confirmed or rape by any standards.

was there a warrant for his arrest?

and man oh man, NOW we see you play the “innocent until proven guilty” card. whenever the accused is sympathetic to liberalism, they are presumed innocent. is that how it works?
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She made an accusation he touched her inappropriately or something. Not nothing but also not confirmed or rape by any standards.

penetration with the finger, without consent, isnt rape?
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penetration with the finger, without consent, isnt rape?
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I've not read that is what occurred. Not arguing he's a great guy but not worthy of 7 shots in the back.

I've not read that is what occurred. Not arguing he's a great guy but not worthy of 7 shots in the back.

that’s what i saw, on CNN actually. that’s not why he got shot. he got shot for repeatedly and violently resisting the non-lethal ways the cops tried to subdue him.

the cops didn’t pull up
and shoot him without warning.

spence, do you have any doubt that he’s be alive if he just complied?
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spence, do you have any doubt that he’s be alive if he just complied?
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Well, he's not dead for one thing. It's most likely he wouldn't have been shot but given widespread mistrust of the police within black communities and recent events like George Floyd I can see where he could have been concerned about his safety.

Well, he's not dead for one thing. It's most likely he wouldn't have been shot but given widespread mistrust of the police within black communities and recent events like George Floyd I can see where he could have been concerned about his safety.

Sorry, good correction. Of course he would not have been shot.

The mistrust of police is based on a false narrative, on the wildly distorted way the left reports this. Look at the data, it could not be more clear.

George Floyd was completely out of his mind, one of the medical examiners ruled he had (or may have had?) a fatal dose of fentanyl in him.

Breanna Taylor (is that her name?), that was a horrible horrible mistake by the cops. But it happens. Poice work is, by nature, occasionally life-and-death. Mistakes will happen. Not every mistake, is rooted in racism.

The mistrust of police is based on a false narrative, on the wildly distorted way the left reports this. Look at the data, it could not be more clear.
Most of the country disagrees with you.

Most of the country disagrees with you.

I agree, because of the inaccurate way it's spun on every network except one.

The data does not disagree with me. I rely on data, not what Al Sharpton says.

9 unarmed blacks killed in all of 2019? With almost a million cops out there?

Gimme a break.

We need to address the fact that blacks still get pulled over for no reason. But there is no epidemic of race-based police brutality. It doesn't exist. It obviously does not exist.

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

I notice you didn't point out any errors I made.

If you look at the number of unarmed people killed by cops by race, and compare that to each race's makeup of the general population, unarmed blacks are a disproportionate share (but the number is so small, it has no meaning). But if you compare the numbers shot by race to each race's share of population in urban areas (which is where these things happen), unarmed blacks are not a disproportionate share.

You have nothing to bolster your argument, except the Sharpton-like rantings of shameless race baiters.

For someone who claims to be an actuarial you have a terrible grasp of statistics.

Article from the National Academy of the Sciences.

"We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings"

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

Article from the National Academy of the Sciences.

"We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings"

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

I think you forgot to read this part.

What These Findings Do Not Show.
Our analyses test for racial disparities in FOIS, which should not be conflated with racial bias (21). Racial disparities are a necessary but not sufficient, requirement for the existence of racial biases, as there are many reasons why fatal shootings might vary across racial groups that are unrelated to bias on the behalf of police officers.

Besides, all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general.

I think you forgot to read this part.



Besides, all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general.

what you say I forgot to post, has no real meaning.

"all that study looked at was fatal officer involved shootings and not potential police bias in general"

Does this mean you'll concede that there's no epidemic of cops waking up, and deciding to shoot a black person?

I freely concede there's bias in things like traffic stops (the data is crystal clear). Not in the use of deadly force (the data is crystal clear).

what you say I forgot to post, has no real meaning.
Actually it invalidates your argument

Does this mean you'll concede that there's no epidemic of cops waking up, and deciding to shoot a black person?

I freely concede there's bias in things like traffic stops (the data is crystal clear). Not in the use of deadly force (the data is crystal clear).
The data isn't crystal clear. First off your report only looks at events where there's a fatality, the Jacob Blake event wouldn't even count as a statistic. Second, your own report states "The uncertainty around these estimates highlights the need for more data before drawing conclusions about disparities in specific types of shootings."

the salon owner doesn’t make laws. pelosi does.
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Another swing and a miss

Not in California she doesn't

But please keep bringing up the women who illegal allowed Pelosi to enter her salon ... and went on Fox and told on herself
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Another swing and a miss

Not in California she doesn't

But please keep bringing up the women who illegal allowed Pelosi to enter her salon ... and went on Fox and told on herself
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Pelosi is in the third most powerful position in the US government. And I don't know w woman, not one, who doesn't know the local rules for salons.

She screwed up here WDMSO, even some of your fellow liberals were able to admit as much. It was a gift to republicans, and to come out swinging against the salon, is another gift. She's a cunning and very very sharp politician. She's also a disgusting, wretched woman.

Actually it invalidates your argument


The data isn't crystal clear. First off your report only looks at events where there's a fatality, the Jacob Blake event wouldn't even count as a statistic. Second, your own report states "The uncertainty around these estimates highlights the need for more data before drawing conclusions about disparities in specific types of shootings."

"Actually it invalidates your argument"

Not even close. It said while there were no racial disparities, they couldn't disprove racial biases. Nor could they prove racial biases. But if a million cops were engaged in a race war, wouldn't there be SOME evidence of racial disparities in the data? There's nothing. Zip.

If the best you can say is "well the data shows no disparities, but that doesn't mean cops don't distrust blacks", fine, go ahead and cling to some nebulous, unprovable nonsense.

Actually it invalidates your argument


The data isn't crystal clear. First off your report only looks at events where there's a fatality, the Jacob Blake event wouldn't even count as a statistic. Second, your own report states "The uncertainty around these estimates highlights the need for more data before drawing conclusions about disparities in specific types of shootings."

The data is crystal clear that cops are not engaged in an epidemic of racial assassinations of blacks. The data could not be more clear on that.

The data is crystal clear that cops are not engaged in an epidemic of racial assassinations of blacks. The data could not be more clear on that.
Your "data" only involves shootings, is from one year, only factors in fatalities and repeatedly states that more data and analysis is required.

That's not very crystal clear.

Your "data" only involves shootings, is from one year, only factors in fatalities and repeatedly states that more data and analysis is required.

That's not very crystal clear.

Oh, so cops are engaged in an epidemic of racist murders, but they aren't shooting their victims. Are they poisoning them? Lynching them?

Do you have any data to back up what you're saying?

Your "data" only involves shootings, is from one year, only factors in fatalities and repeatedly states that more data and analysis is required.

That's not very crystal clear.

It’s crystal clear if if fits your narrative
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It’s crystal clear if if fits your narrative
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9 unarmed blacks killed
by cops in all of 2019. show us how good you are at math. what does that suggest to you?
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The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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Pelosi is in the third most powerful position in the US government. And I don't know w woman, not one, who doesn't know the local rules for salons.

She screwed up here WDMSO, even some of your fellow liberals were able to admit as much. It was a gift to republicans, and to come out swinging against the salon, is another gift. She's a cunning and very very sharp politician. She's also a disgusting, wretched woman.

And the leader of the united states told Voters to vote twice

NO criticisms of Putin

He said the case was "tragic" but urged reporters to focus instead on China, which he said was a bigger threat to the world than Russia.

US President Donald Trump has ordered federal agencies to stop racial sensitivity training, labelling it "divisive, anti-American propaganda".


Trump calls ' diversity training. anti-American


Yet to you She's also a disgusting, wretched woman.

MAN you have some serious mommy issues

9 unarmed blacks killed
by cops in all of 2019. show us how good you are at math. what does that suggest to you?
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It suggests you need to fact check your own numbers.
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The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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The problem is evidence is only in courts

On the street the standard for shooting is just the requirement of feelings or guesswork.

This is the issue

Every American supports police rights to defend themselves they dont condone killing people based on a feeling

Then you get the argument oh what police should be shot at 1st and my answer is Yes. If the standard isnt changed to physically seeing a gun . Policemen have a dangerous job no question. And I have said this several times but when our Men and women in uniform are held to a higher standard of the use of deadly force under their ROE rules of engagement in Foreign lands. That. problematic

It suggests you need to fact check your own numbers.
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they’re the washington posts numbers. those damn conservative jerks at the washington post.

spence, how many actual
murders of blacks would
you assume the cops commit in a year? and how many blacks would
you assume are murdered by other blacks?

show us how smart and honest you are? answer that. i dare you. i triple dog dare you.
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they’re the washington posts numbers. those damn conservative jerks at the washington post.

spence, how many actual
murders of blacks would
you assume the cops commit in a year? and how many blacks would
you assume are murdered by other blacks?

show us how smart and honest you are? answer that. i dare you. i triple dog dare you.
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That’s not what the Washington Post reported.

Also, here’s a good piece on how bad your report is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/15/police-shooting-study-retracted/
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Black on black crime is jims and conservative argument when they cant explaine away police shooting of unarmec blacks .. they piviot to black kill each other more than police . Again as if there the same issue
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Black on black crime is jims and conservative argument when they cant explaine away police shooting of unarmec blacks .. they piviot to black kill each other more than police . Again as if there the same issue
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any idiot can explain such a small
number of police shootings of unarmed citizens. police work can be dangerous, confrontational, and people are stupid. there will be volatile situations, mistakes will be made. we need to investigate them and learn from them.

that explains it. now why don’t you explain to us, why crime gets so much less attention from liberals, even though it’s thousands of times
more destructive?

you have fun answering that.
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Black on black crime is jims and conservative argument when they cant explaine away police shooting of unarmec blacks .. they piviot to black kill each other more than police . Again as if there the same issue
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and of course, spence dodged my obvious question.
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The Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”
An attorney for the Kenosha police union has said Blake was holding a knife.
A white former St. Louis police officer charged with killing a black man "executed" him after a car chase, then planted a gun in the slain drug suspect's vehicle as an excuse for opening fire, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.
Eyewitnesses, including Smith's girlfriend, say Smith had his hands up and was unarmed when Pachnik shot him multiples times.

Police contend Smith had a gun.
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I suppose none of these instances happened
They must have been outliers
Sure, Jan
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I suppose none of these instances happened
They must have been outliers
Sure, Jan
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so, did trump condemn racist violence at charlottesville?
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Trump wants all funding supporting studies or training to address racial issues stopped, apparently if you say we aren’t racist and our country isn’t seeing racial issues it isn’t happening. Boy if there was ever any question about whether Trump is a racist, he certainly has put that debate to rest.

Trump wants all funding supporting studies or training to address racial issues stopped, apparently if you say we aren’t racist and our country isn’t seeing racial issues it isn’t happening. Boy if there was ever any question about whether Trump is a racist, he certainly has put that debate to rest.

Yes because he saw it on Fox new Tucker Carlson with some nobody who said Trump should remove it and he did.. the supposed leader of the free word doing what fox news tells him to do... :btu:

Trump wants all funding supporting studies or training to address racial issues stopped, apparently if you say we aren’t racist and our country isn’t seeing racial issues it isn’t happening. Boy if there was ever any question about whether Trump is a racist, he certainly has put that debate to rest.

he got black unemployment to its lowest ever, championed criminal justice reform which disproportionately helps blacks, advocates for school
choice which disproportionately helps blacks, created economic opportunity zones in urban areas which disproportionately helps blacks, and increased funding for black colleges which disproportionately helps blacks.

but he’s a racist.
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he got black unemployment to its lowest ever, championed criminal justice reform which disproportionately helps blacks, advocates for school
choice which disproportionately helps blacks, created economic opportunity zones in urban areas which disproportionately helps blacks, and increased funding for black colleges which disproportionately helps blacks.

but he’s a racist.
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He is a racist
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He is a racist
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what a compelling argument.
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Tweety thinks teaching people to end racism is divisive. That's the very definition of racist.
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Tweety thinks teaching people to end racism is divisive. That's the very definition of racist.
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Worst, he says it’s un American.
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he got black unemployment to its lowest ever, championed criminal justice reform which disproportionately helps blacks, advocates for school
choice which disproportionately helps blacks, created economic opportunity zones in urban areas which disproportionately helps blacks, and increased funding for black colleges which disproportionately helps blacks.

but he’s a racist.
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He didn’t do anything for black unemployment specifically, it was low because the unemployment rate was low. Signing bipartisan legislation and then claiming you alone have solved the problem isn’t exactly championing the issues. The justice department is already trying to undermine prison reforms even.

His track record is pretty clear on where he stands.
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what a compelling argument.
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I figured I would keep it short and to the point so that the average trump supporter could somewhat grasp, if not completely understand my point.
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Tweety thinks teaching people to end racism is divisive. That's the very definition of racist.
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This imposing words on someone that he did not say is what you do, and why you can't be taken seriously by a logical thinker. Stopping the indoctrination of critical race theory does not stop teaching to end racism. Critical race theory is too controversial to impose on all employees. Even more important, it is one of the many Post Modern notions that teach us to abandon our classical liberal roots, our US Constitution, and the whole legal structure of this country.

Here are critiques of it per Wikipedia:

Some legal scholars have criticized CRT on a number of grounds, such as CRT scholars' reliance on narrative and storytelling, or CRT's critique of objectivity. Judge Richard Posner of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has "label[ed] critical race theorists and postmodernists the 'lunatic core' of 'radical legal egalitarianism.'"[37] He wrote:[37]

What is most arresting about critical race theory is that…it turns its back on the Western tradition of rational inquiry, forswearing analysis for narrative. Rather than marshal logical arguments and empirical data, critical race theorists tell stories – fictional, science-fictional, quasi-fictional, autobiographical, anecdotal – designed to expose the pervasive and debilitating racism of America today. By repudiating reasoned argumentation, the storytellers reinforce stereotypes about the intellectual capacities of nonwhites.

Judge Alex Kozinski of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote that critical race theorists have constructed a philosophy which makes a valid exchange of ideas between the various disciplines unattainable:[38]

The radical multiculturalists' views raise insuperable barriers to mutual understanding. Consider the "Space Traders" story. How does one have a meaningful dialogue with Derrick Bell? Because his thesis is utterly untestable, one quickly reaches a dead end after either accepting or rejecting his assertion that white Americans would cheerfully sell all blacks to the aliens. The story is also a poke in the eye of American Jews, particularly those who risked life and limb by actively participating in the civil rights protests of the 1960s. Bell clearly implies that this was done out of tawdry self-interest. Perhaps most galling is Bell's insensitivity in making the symbol of Jewish hypocrisy the little girl who perished in the Holocaust – as close to a saint as Jews have. A Jewish professor who invoked the name of Rosa Parks so derisively would be bitterly condemned –and rightly so.

Daniel Farber and Suzanna Sherry have argued that critical race theory, along with critical feminism and critical legal studies, has anti-Semitic and anti-Asian implications, has worked to undermine notions of democratic community, and has impeded dialogue.[39]

Jeffrey J. Pyle wrote in the Boston College Law Review:[40]

Critical race theorists attack the very foundations of the [classical] liberal legal order, including equality theory, legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism and neutral principles of constitutional law. These liberal values, they allege, have no enduring basis in principle, but are mere social constructs calculated to legitimate white supremacy. The rule of law, according to critical race theorists, is a false promise of principled government, and they have lost patience with false promises.

Peter Wood considers CRT a "grievance ideology" and an "absurdity". He sees the central tenet of "white racism in the American legal system" to be shown false because of items such as the 14th Amendment, the Voting Rights Acts, and Brown v. Board of Education.[41] Critics including George Will saw resonances between critical race theory's use of storytelling and insistence that race poses challenges to objective judgments in the US and the acquittal of O. J. Simpson.[42][43]

In September 2020, the White House Office of Management and Budget took steps to cancel funding for training in critical race theory among federal agencies on the basis that it constituted "divisive, un-American propaganda".[44][45]

Could you also let us know which federal programs are based on critical race theory...thanks.
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Could you also let us know which federal programs are based on critical race theory...thanks.
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They shouldn't be. That's why the theory shouldn't be foisted on federal employees.

They shouldn't be. That's why the theory shouldn't be foisted on federal employees.
In other words, it’s likely not and this is just another desperate stunt.
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Trump has done great things for the LGBTQ community. Unemployment for those members has never been so low.
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Could you also let us know which federal programs are based on critical race theory...thanks.

In other words, it’s likely not and this is just another desperate stunt.

The federal program of teaching critical race theory to employees of various departments is, ipso facto, based in critical race theory. Training federal employees in, or teaching them, a theory that is counter to, and would destroy, our constitutional foundation and its root rule of law should not be happening. It is logical to stop it, and not a stunt.

I figured I would keep it short and to the point so that the average trump supporter could somewhat grasp, if not completely understand my point.
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Yes, or course, if someone (a Trump supporter), doesn't understand or grasp your point that Trump is a racist, then simply repeating that he is a racist will help him to understand or grasp your point . . . right.

But what you say does help us to understand why some of the lefties on the forum just keep saying stuff without argumentation. Simply repeating it is good enough. Sort of like the if you tell a lie often enough it will be believed thing.

Yes, Simply repeating it is good enough. Sort of like the if you tell a lie often enough it will be believed thing.

Isnt this what Republicans and Trump do with great enthusiasm?

Isnt this what Republicans and Trump do with great enthusiasm?

It's what you lefties on this forum do with great enthusiasm.

It's what you lefties on this forum do with great enthusiasm.

Trump on McCain today: “John McCain liked wars.”
Your hero the demagogue enjoys the roars of the crowd but can’t help knowing, deep down, that he isn’t held in genuine esteem. And he can’t help envying the one who is. So he slanders him and tries to tear him down.
Great guy
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Trump on McCain today: “John McCain liked wars.”
Your hero the demagogue enjoys the roars of the crowd but can’t help knowing, deep down, that he isn’t held in genuine esteem. And he can’t help envying the one who is. So he slanders him and tries to tear him down.
Great guy
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Actually, a lot of people hold Trump in genuine esteem. Again you lie.

Keep believing
Don't look now but the wheels are coming off the wagon out the back of which the snake-oil is sold
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Qpete continues his disinformation campaign...he's worse than the russians

I wonder how Republican donors feel when they hear the campaign is short on case and those funds were used by the grifter to cover legal bills, paying Tweety's children, their wives and girlfriends, buying enough of his kids book to make it a bestseller and payments to his properties? A pretty good reason to stop giving.

I wonder how Republican donors feel when they hear the campaign is short on case and those funds were used by the grifter to cover legal bills, paying Tweety's children, their wives and girlfriends, buying enough of his kids book to make it a bestseller and payments to his properties? A pretty good reason to stop giving.

We will be very scared.

When you're more offended by a ball player taking a knee during the national anthem than by the Commander in Chief calling soldiers "losers" and "suckers" it's time for some serious reflection on your values.
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When you're more offended by a ball player taking a knee during the national anthem than by the Commander in Chief calling soldiers "losers" and "suckers" it's time for some serious reflection on your values.


Personally, if you're speaking to or about me, I take no offense at the kneeling. The tradition of respect is to stand. But if you prefer to kneel, I don't care.

And rather than disparaging politicians for displaying flags when they speak, I think that the display is more respectful than burning the flag or protesting you're grievances during its anthem.

But I take no offense by it. It's not about me. I don't feel personally insulted. Even if it were supposed to be an insult directed at me, I rarely, very rarely, feel insulted. It's a useless emotion that leads to unnecessary animosity. Except for a very few people, I don't emotionally concern myself with what anybody thinks about me. If it's important enough, I may talk it out. Then let it go.

What upsets me is not the kneeling, but the destructive results, physical, psychological, philosophical, legal, and constitutional, created by the agenda that drives the kneeling.

I don't actually know that Trump called soldiers (all soldiers) "losers" or "suckers." Nor the total context in which he was supposed to have said it. I know that he has reportedly been accused of that. By unnamed sources. The "reported, accused, unnamed" makes that all very iffy. And its been denied and refuted by several named, on the record, people.

The grifter strikes again

The U.S. Justice Department is seeking to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation suit brought by advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, who claims Trump raped her two decades ago.

The move could further delay a suit in which Carroll is demanding potentially damaging evidence from Trump during the final weeks before the presidential election, including a deposition and a DNA sample to compare to a dress she claims she was wearing at the time of the alleged attack. It could also leave taxpayers on the hook for any damages awarded in the case.

His campaign has already paid his private attorney 850K and now they need money, is Barr volunteers the DOJ to take over his defense, unbelievable.
Grifters gotta grift
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The grifter strikes again

The U.S. Justice Department is seeking to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation suit brought by advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, who claims Trump raped her two decades ago.

The move could further delay a suit in which Carroll is demanding potentially damaging evidence from Trump during the final weeks before the presidential election, including a deposition and a DNA sample to compare to a dress she claims she was wearing at the time of the alleged attack. It could also leave taxpayers on the hook for any damages awarded in the case.

His campaign has already paid his private attorney 850K and now they need money, is Barr volunteers the DOJ to take over his defense, unbelievable.
Grifters gotta grift
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Once again you manage to bring in all manner of anti-Trump stuff not related to the subject of the thread. I guess it's because you can't start your own threads anymore. You're a sneaky dude. In some basic ways you're a lot like Trump. Even worse.

Great deflection

I read the complaint against Trump. The defamation occurred in April 2016 prior to Trump taking office. The judge should dismiss this farcical motion by Bill Barr and sanction him for filing a frivolous motion and wasting Court time.
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Great deflection



Yeah, I did good.

Once again you manage to bring in all manner of anti-Trump stuff not related to the subject of the thread. I guess it's because you can't start your own threads anymore. You're a sneaky dude. In some basic ways you're a lot like Trump. Even worse.

Really that’s the first time you noticed this thread, like almost every thread ever started in this forum for years, strayed from the initial theme? Hey since I know you love promoting Trump doing a bang up job, like falsely “promising” a vaccine ahead of the election, only to have the CEO’s of all pharmaceutical companies signing a letter saying hold the phone that isn’t so. Astra Zeneca has already had to pause its trial due some adverse reactions. So is he doing a good job by that statement or as anyone with a brain can deduce, using it for purely political gains. By doing so he also might put concern about how safe a vaccine is when one finally comes out. The list of personal interest only comments he has made as it relates to this Covid crisis is a long embarrassing one, which I’m certain you can break out some blue to dispute.

The most anti-environmental president in our lifetime declares himself an environmentalist. Just like the most lawless president in our lifetimes preaches 'law & order.' He's simply the most hypocritical president in our lifetime.
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Really that’s the first time you noticed this thread, like almost every thread ever started in this forum for years, strayed from the initial theme?

Nope. Not the first time I've noticed. Mentioned it
several times before.

Hey since I know you love promoting Trump doing a bang up job,

Nope. Don't promote Trump. Your tin ears may prevent you from hearing that I constantly say, for me, it's not about Trump.

like falsely “promising” a vaccine ahead of the election, only to have the CEO’s of all pharmaceutical companies signing a letter saying hold the phone that isn’t so. Astra Zeneca has already had to pause its trial due some adverse reactions. So is he doing a good job by that statement or as anyone with a brain can deduce, using it for purely political gains. By doing so he also might put concern about how safe a vaccine is when one finally comes out. The list of personal interest only comments he has made as it relates to this Covid crisis is a long embarrassing one, which I’m certain you can break out some blue to dispute.

I'm not going to dispute what someone promises. Actually, all the discussions about the competence or lack thereof in handling covid are too politically oriented for me to care about. There is still a limited amount of things we know and can do. That has pretty much been handled, as far as I can see, as well as they can by our "experts"--"can" existing within political and medical disputations and oppositions. That "clown show" has been apparent on all "sides" for an objective point of view to take seriously. Believe in whatever clowns you wish.

Places around the world that used masks consistently have had half to two-thirds less Covid spread. Imagine how many deaths could have been prevented in the US if the federal government had focused on masks rather than hydroxychloroquine.

One way to make sure our COVID-19 crisis doesn't look quite so bad compared to the rest of the world is to destroy all USAID COVID-19 health programs overseas, offering no assistance to poorer countries.
Yes, it's happening. Inadequate political & economic action to address COVID-19 impact will lead to greater instability in fragile countries.

I'm not going to dispute what someone promises. Actually, all the discussions about the competence or lack thereof in handling covid are too politically oriented for me to care about. There is still a limited amount of things we know and can do. That has pretty much been handled, as far as I can see, as well as they can by our "experts"--"can" existing within political and medical disputations and oppositions. That "clown show" has been apparent on all "sides" for an objective point of view to take seriously. Believe in whatever clowns you wish.

It's obvious what clown you believe in

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. “I wanted to always play it down,” the president said.

In case you want to claim it's fake news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I5dcEK_wg

It's obvious what clown you believe in



The clown I believe in is the U.S. Constitution.

The clown I believe in is the U.S. Constitution.

You spend a lot of time defending Tweety, why you probably think he should get a Nobel Peace Prize, that would be like giving Jeffrey Dahmer a James Beard Award.
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You spend a lot of time defending Tweety, why you probably think he should get a Nobel Peace Prize, that would be like giving Jeffrey Dahmer a James Beard Award.
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I spend a lot of time countering or debunking your attacks on Trump, which you spend a lot of time doing. I am not defending Trump because I think he should get a Nobel Peace Prize (BTW, I have no admiration for that politicized "prize"). Trump happens to be the candidate running against the Progressive tool. Pure and simple, that's the reason I "defend" Trump.

Not sure, but if I keep reminding you of that, maybe you might finally realize it. It does seem strange that you seem to prefer to see lies that are repeated over and over as the truth, but when I tell you the truth of what my motivation is over and over, you treat it as if it were a lie and to be ignored.

Here’s the truth
During his campaign he lied about having no Russian deals
He lied about releasing his taxes
He lied about pornstar payoffs
He lied about Ukraine
He lied about coordinating with Russia on his campaign
He lied about the dangers of COVID-19 and when he knew
Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die, economy destroyed and people fighting in the streets
And you’re happy with the job he’s done and want more of the same.
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Here’s the truth
During his campaign he lied about having no Russian deals
He lied about releasing his taxes
He lied about pornstar payoffs
He lied about Ukraine
He lied about coordinating with Russia on his campaign
He lied about the dangers of COVID-19 and when he knew
Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die, economy destroyed and people fighting in the streets
And you’re happy with the job he’s done and want more of the same.
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That's not the truth. But Trump has told many lies. So has Biden. So have you.

I'm not "happy" with the erosion of our constitutional order and our ongoing evolution into an unconstitutional administrative state.

That's not the truth. But Trump has told many lies. So has Biden. So have you.

I'm not "happy" with the erosion of our constitutional order and our ongoing evolution into an unconstitutional administrative state.

WHAT you don’t believe accusations about Trump, OMG I’m going to have to question life as I know it?

I don’t think a true stable genius of a president would grant 18 interviews to the guy who took down Nixon.
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I don’t think a true stable genius of a president would grant 18 interviews to the guy who took down Nixon.
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He probably knew the book was coming and figured he was smart enough to charm the pants off of Woodward. He's a fool.

He probably knew the book was coming and figured he was smart enough to charm the pants off of Woodward. He's a fool.

Yes, he's a fool. He talks to most anyone who wants to interview him, and even tells them the truth. Biden is the smart one. He talks to a select few. And robotically repeats Dem talking points. Biden is the real deal smart leader. We can trust him to really know and do the best thing.

Well . . . sort of . . . he can be trusted to be the tool of Progressive ideology . . . unless all of a sudden the Press and public opinion becomes anti-Progressive. Then he will follow right along.

In Nov. 2019, at a NATO officers’ briefing on Russian subversion, a slide was shown. The text is below.

You can review it carefully.

As Putin’s employee, Trump is marking these “consistent Russian aims” off his checklist 1 by 1.

His time is limited, the damage, malignant.

Case Study: The United States
Consistent Russian aims

Reduce US role in providing European Security
Weaken Transatlantic links
Undermine faith in US security commitments
Weaken US intelligence community
Challenge and undermine Western liberal values
Erode US world leadership and global respect
Weaken US society; undermine social cohesion
Show the US as enemy of Islam
Establish post-truth, post-fact information space
Discredit independent media
See Russia treated as (equal) partner
Reach a grand bargain to ensure stability

In Nov. 2019, at a NATO officers’ briefing on Russian subversion, a slide was shown. The text is below.

You can review it carefully.

As Putin’s employee, Trump is marking these “consistent Russian aims” off his checklist 1 by 1.

His time is limited, the damage, malignant.

Case Study: The United States
Consistent Russian aims

Reduce US role in providing European Security

Don't know what is meant by that "role" nor if it has been reduced so much as Trump insisting that Europeans take more responsibility for their "role." I sincerely doubt that Russia would like to see Europe strengthen its own security. A strong investment in Europe's own security could well be more of a threat to Russia than Europe mostly depending on us.

Weaken Transatlantic links

Insisting on a stronger defensive and offensive capability in Europe may weaken Europe's dependence on the US. But the U.S. bond with Europe against Russian aggression is still there.


Undermine faith in US security commitments

Strengthing our own military and insisting that Europe do the same is a commitment to mutual security, not an undermining of it.

Weaken US intelligence community

The intelligence community seems to be pretty strong. The greatest damage to it has been self-inflicted by some of the intel players attempting to remove a duly elected President.

Challenge and undermine Western liberal values

The Progressive agenda in concert with various Post Modern radical groups and objectives (i.e. critical race theory, Marxist BLM founders, violent ANTIFA, and the continuing Progressive attack on the Constitution which is our legal foundation based on those Western liberal values) are challenging and undermining Western liberal values. The Communist Party USA, which is antithetical to Western liberal values, supports, and is point by point in agreement with, the Progressive, Marxist, groups in our country.

Erode US world leadership and global respect

Other countries taking more of a role in leadership would actually be beneficial to the U.S. And not so beneficial to Russia.

Weaken US society; undermine social cohesion

Weakening the power of the individual and transferring that power to the state weakens US society. Our leftist agendas, including Progressive, does exactly that. The social cohesion of sovereign individuals willing to abide by and defend their founding principals is the strongest form of social cohesion. Coerced and enforced compliance of citizens to the roles and rights specified and created and allowed by the state is the most tenuous form of social cohesion, and is not cohesion so much as programmed compliance. Progressive theory of unlimited government precisely generates that sort of compliance, and is symmetrical to the societal "cohesion" in a Communist state.


Show the US as enemy of Islam

Trump has been an enemy of "radical" Islam. He has not shown the US to be and enemy of Islam per se. He has just helped to produce a peace treaty between Israel and the (Islamic) United Arab Emirates. He's been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Establish post-truth, post-fact information space

Not sure what that is, but it sounds a lot like what most politicians do.

Discredit independent media

Trump has discredited FAKE news. I would think NATO officers would be OK with that.

See Russia treated as (equal) partner

Equal partner in what. Is Russia supposed to be sub equal in every respect?

Reach a grand bargain to ensure stability

Wow. That really sounds horrible. A bargain to ensure stability. DEPENDS ON THE BARGAIN (what is it and has it been reached?)

Now compare the Communist Party USA's agenda and platforms to the Democrat party's agenda and platform.