Ok I have assembled some of the let's say not your typical campaign law sign that until Trump is all we ever had.. I see them around town what's the message Trump supporters let's hear it. And I dont want to hear oh their just flags BS ?

I see it as nationalism cloaked in some twisted FU message to those whom dont agree with them or support Trump and very similar to Russian ones with Putin

So it seems Trump as taken all the steps below what's left?

1. Appeal to the fears and hatreds of a constituency that feels they are being wronged or marginalized by the governmental powers that be. In Trumps case, he played upon the average Americans ’ fear they were being ignored by their own failing government and industries.


2. Harken back to the days of historical pride. In his speeches, Trump shouted that America was once a great and powerful nation. And Only the Trump could make it great once again.


3. Portray yourself as an Outsider, as the only one who can unite the troubled nation and fix the country’s many problems. Play upon a divided parties of government, with their combativeness and stagnation,


4. Use contemporary platforms and techniques to convey your messages over and over again to the public.


5. Repeat lies often enough and the people will believe they are true. Lie about people, parties, countries, even religions. Facts that do not support the narrative are deemed ‘Fake’ and even unpatriotic or subversive. Your opponents actions show they must hate their own country.


6. Intellectuals and journalists were suspected of being Socialists or even worse, Communists! So discredit them as the “elites” Plant distrust with the populace in their own public universities, the Press, even the judiciary and voting systems …


7. Extreme Nationalism resonates with those who see themselves as disenfranchised, even if they technically are middle class. So the demagoguery and totalitarianism of Trump was ultimately seen as acceptable. The goal is not to gain 100% of minds, but 100% of Emotions –


8. Ethics, legitimacy and even religious decency can be ‘Back-burnered’ for the greater cause, sometimes for a generation. So bigotry, racism, xenophobia and sexism dont exist. . Only Christian values will help America. We all think bad thoughts in private, so why not mainstream them and shout it out loud? Or better yet, take to the streets and act upon them! We've seen this already


9. You need a Scapegoat to rally against. People who don’t look, think or pray like us. A particular race, religion, or faction who are the root cause of all the problems facing hard-working Americans In Trumps case, this was the Mexican and migrant Portray them as dangerous, criminal, and After all, who could trust such people? Why risk it? Better to round them all up and deport them!


10. Exploitation of PATRIOTISM was the ultimate ‘ace up the sleeve.’ Trump spoke with fanatical pride in front of rows of Americans flags even hugging them in front of fanatical cheering crowds. He demanded deference to HIS leadership alone. Paint the opposition an unpatriotic or better yet, Traitors! Hes call Obama a traitor several times

We accept the fact that seemingly good, rational and even religious people will sometimes blindly support Trump with a near cult-like belief that it is righteous. These flags are another step in solidifying that conviction

Here are a few more

Ok I have assembled some of the let's say not your typical campaign law sign that until Trump is all we ever had.. I see them around town what's the message Trump supporters let's hear it. And I dont want to hear oh their just flags BS ?

I see it as nationalism cloaked in some twisted FU message to those whom dont agree with them or support Trump and very similar to Russian ones with Putin

Of course you do. You see what you want to see. You want to see Putin (not Washington, Madison, Lincoln, Reagan, etc.) so you see Putin.

So it seems Trump as taken all the steps below what's left?

1. Appeal to the fears and hatreds of a constituency that feels they are being wronged or marginalized by the governmental powers that be. In Trumps case, he played upon the average Americans ’ fear they were being ignored by their own failing government and industries.

This is typical political rhetoric. You don't think Biden or most any other politician wouldn't do some version of this? Of course you don't. Dumb question.



2. Harken back to the days of historical pride. In his speeches, Trump shouted that America was once a great and powerful nation. And Only the Trump could make it great once again.

Hyperbole with a grain of truth. Which is what most political speech is.

3. Portray yourself as an Outsider, as the only one who can unite the troubled nation and fix the country’s many problems. Play upon a divided parties of government, with their combativeness and stagnation,

He was an Outsider to the political class, even to the other Republicans.

4. Use contemporary platforms and techniques to convey your messages over and over again to the public.

Name a politician who hasn't done this. This is standard politician fare.

5. Repeat lies often enough and the people will believe they are true. Lie about people, parties, countries, even religions. Facts that do not support the narrative are deemed ‘Fake’ and even unpatriotic or subversive. Your opponents actions show they must hate their own country.

That's what PeteF (and you) do--as well as most politicians. A lot of what Trump repeats is true. Especially about fake news.

6. Intellectuals and journalists were suspected of being Socialists or even worse, Communists! So discredit them as the “elites” Plant distrust with the populace in their own public universities, the Press, even the judiciary and voting systems …

Some were and are. The distrust in our public universities, Press, and the judiciary was and is already there--for a long time. And rightly so.

7. Extreme Nationalism resonates with those who see themselves as disenfranchised, even if they technically are middle class. So the demagoguery and totalitarianism of Trump was ultimately seen as acceptable. The goal is not to gain 100% of minds, but 100% of Emotions –

Trump is not an "extreme" nationalist. He is more of a reasonable, equitable one. He has stated that other nations should have a pride and preference for themselves. And that we should all have fair trade with each other. He is certainly not a totalitarian.

8. Ethics, legitimacy and even religious decency can be ‘Back-burnered’ for the greater cause, sometimes for a generation. So bigotry, racism, xenophobia and sexism dont exist. . Only Christian values will help America. We all think bad thoughts in private, so why not mainstream them and shout it out loud? Or better yet, take to the streets and act upon them! We've seen this already

This sounds like PeteF wrote it. It's BS.

9. You need a Scapegoat to rally against. People who don’t look, think or pray like us. A particular race, religion, or faction who are the root cause of all the problems facing hard-working Americans In Trumps case, this was the Mexican and migrant Portray them as dangerous, criminal, and After all, who could trust such people? Why risk it? Better to round them all up and deport them!

Again, another PeteF like lie.

10. Exploitation of PATRIOTISM was the ultimate ‘ace up the sleeve.’ Trump spoke with fanatical pride in front of rows of Americans flags even hugging them in front of fanatical cheering crowds. He demanded deference to HIS leadership alone. Paint the opposition an unpatriotic or better yet, Traitors! Hes call Obama a traitor several times

Yeah, well Trump has been called a traitor several times. PeteF, and you, and Spence, say he has sold us out to the Russians. It is also hilarious that you've made a distinction between patriotism and nationalism, but now are subscribing to that he is or "exploits" both. Other than hugging the American flag (or humping it as PeteF claims) what's so different, Biden has flags behind him when he expounds? And WTF is bad about that?

We accept the fact that seemingly good, rational and even religious people will sometimes blindly support Trump with a near cult-like belief that it is righteous. These flags are another step in solidifying that conviction

I respect the flag. And there is a strong message in displaying it. Certainly is better than burning it or not standing when the national anthem is played.

Of course, hugging or displaying the flag could be a false ploy. No doubt, you believe that Trump is faking it. Of course you do.

I find it troubling that people think someone using Pro Trump or Pro USA symbolism is some level of negative Nationalism or Fascism yet are perfectly OK with Sovyet style Agitprop of the left. So it is OK for me but not for thee mentality.

I don't have (major) issues with the relatively numerous Trump flags & signs in my neighborhood or the relatively few Biden flags & signs (yes, I saw a Biden 2020 flag, once). People are expressing their rights.

But like how 93% of protests were peaceful and only 7% were malicious rioting, looting, and vandalism I am going to assume that 93% of Trump Flags and Signs are from peaceful people and only 7% of Biden flags & signs mean rioters are living in their basements.

I knew the blue comments were coming, getting tougher to play defense isn’t it

According to Michael Cohen, Trump held a meeting with prominent evangelical leaders, where they laid their hands on him in prayer. Afterward, Trump said: “Can you believe that bulls--t? Can you believe people believe that bulls--t?”
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I find it troubling that people think someone using Pro Trump or Pro USA symbolism is some level of negative Nationalism or Fascism yet are perfectly OK with Sovyet style Agitprop of the left. So it is OK for me but not for thee mentality.

I think the issue is more basic than that, it’s simply that many people look at Trump and the flag as a contradiction.
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I think the issue is more basic than that, it’s simply that many people look at Trump and the flag as a contradiction.
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And that is the rub. Those people will condemn those who's views contradict their own as evil or deplorable.

I have no problem with anyone putting a candidate sign out on their lawn, it’s when the message takes a low blow shot at anyone with an opposing view I have a problem. So in my neighborhood there are a mix, but one in particular I think could make your next door neighbor pissed says make the left cry again.

Still can't get an answer why is Trumps face on Rambos Body carrying a machinegun rocket launcher or his face on George Washington's Body or rocky. I see it as pro Trump I get that but I cant see it as Pro USA symbolism


John. agitprop? Really. communist political propaganda promulgated chiefly in literature, drama, music, or art.

You think this is mainstream Democrats,, love to see some examples. That's compare those flag

Still can't get an answer why is Trumps face on Rambos Body carrying a machinegun rocket launcher or his face on George Washington's Body or rocky. I see it as pro Trump I get that but I cant see it as Pro USA
John is stuck in the Cold War.
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I have no problem with anyone putting a candidate sign out on their lawn, it’s when the message takes a low blow shot at anyone with an opposing view I have a problem. So in my neighborhood there are a mix, but one in particular I think could make your next door neighbor pissed says make the left cry again.

Some push it (both sides, Wayne). there is a guy that has a Liquor, Guns, Bacon, and ... flag flying. Worth a minor chuckle, but otherwise tasteless. Guy a few doors down flies a BLM flag.

Still can't get an answer why is Trumps face on Rambos Body carrying a machinegun rocket launcher or his face on George Washington's Body or rocky. I see it as pro Trump I get that but I cant see it as Pro USA symbolism


John. agitprop? Really. communist political propaganda promulgated chiefly in literature, drama, music, or art.

You think this is mainstream Democrats,, love to see some examples. That's compare those flag




Mainstream Democrats? Agitprop? The CCCP / Socialist Fist? Old Soviet stylistic art? Like the Obama Hope poster?

John is stuck in the Cold War.
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No, but I know enough of history to know what starts with marxists riots, breaking stuff, demanding what is acceptable speech, and redistributing property doesn't end there. BTW - stuff that predates the cold war.

Some push it (both sides, Wayne). there is a guy that has a Liquor, Guns, Bacon, and ... flag flying. Worth a minor chuckle, but otherwise tasteless. Guy a few doors down flies a BLM flag.






Mainstream Democrats? Agitprop? The CCCP / Socialist Fist? Old Soviet stylistic art? Like the Obama Hope poster?

Like this one

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/55/4d/92554df8a2035291b3daadf4969ddb9b.jpg
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https://globetribune.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jesus-H-Obama.jpg
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One man went to church today. And then visited his son’s gravesite.

Another man golfed & rage tweeted today. And then his campaign mocked the other man for visiting his son’s gravesite.
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One man went to church today. And then visited his son’s gravesite.

Another man golfed & rage tweeted today. And then his campaign mocked the other man for visiting his son’s gravesite.
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A man had a hamburger today.

On Sunday morning, Trump was urging the harassment of Steve Jobs’ widow in a desperate attempt to distract from the corroborated facts of his appalling denigration of American soldiers as “losers” & “suckers.”

I prefer presidents who wake up reflecting on how to improve lives.
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I have no problem with anyone putting a candidate sign out on their lawn.



well that's a relief

make the left cry again.



they haven't stopped crying for four years as evidenced here daily :huh:

Since his RNC speech nine days ago decrying leftist "cancel culture, speech codes, and crushing conformity," Trump has called for the firings of Fox's Jennifer Griffin, MSNBC's Joy Reid, and CNN's Chris Cuomo, and urged his supporters to harass the owner of The Atlantic.
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they haven't stopped crying for four years as evidenced here daily :huh:
correct... and the rioting in portland started the day after Trump was elected president.
https://youtu.be/dWGR1BFdtPU

The very worst possible move the Trump Campaign could have made right now was mocking Biden for going to the cemetery where his deceased veteran son is buried.

While Trump was golfing.

So, of course that's what they did.
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correct... and the rioting in portland started the day after Trump was elected president.
https://youtu.be/dWGR1BFdtPU

I dont remember such themed flags as a reason to re elect Obama for a 2nd term .. seeing all the crying Republicans were doing. About Obama And all if was made up. Unlike Trumps behaviors

Not sure if conservatives know Portland doesn't represent the United states its become the new chicago rallying cry of conservatives.. and portland is an oddity it Oregon its self

substantial majority of Portlanders — 74 percent — consider themselves to be liberal on social issues, compared with 35 percent of the rest of the region and 36 percent of the rest of the state.


But like most conservatives they want to spin this elaborate story that what's going on in Portland is tied to some grand national movment of the democratic party .

So places like fox and other conservative media outlets play the same loop day after day and have the base convinced its every where :faga:

here's a local example of conservatives and Trump supporters over reaction and gullibility, I have a brother in law who is a rabid Trump fan. Who informs me at a cook out about QAnon. And how yesterday Sunday BLM and Antifa were decending on a Trump flag store and he and others were going to defend the store . At 6pm. So yesterday 150 Trump supporters set up shop flags lawn chairs at the closed business majority Mask less no social distancing. . and guess who's shows up 2 18 years old with homemade signs. Simple masks no hoods no back pack or Antifa markings. One saying BLM and 1 saying G Floyd Rest in peace.. and in typical Trump support er fashion one guy got in their face screaming sun tans dont make you BLACK . Over and over . I guess he was suggesting your white you shouldn't be supporting a different race

Those 2 young Girls had some guts for showing up


Ps still haven't seen an explanation on who are these strongman flags directed at? Russia China or Americans who dont support Trump... .?

No, but I know enough of history to know what starts with marxists riots, breaking stuff, demanding what is acceptable speech, and redistributing property doesn't end there. BTW - stuff that predates the cold war.
With all that knowledge one would think you would be seeing a country sliding headfirst into authoritarianism.
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I dont remember such themed flags



dear wayne...who tf cares?

correct... and the rioting in portland started the day after Trump was elected president.
https://youtu.be/dWGR1BFdtPU

After 4 years of one of the sleaziest people, mocking soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice and lying constantly, what would be the thing he does for you and the Trumplicans to stop supporting him?

After 4 years of one of the sleaziest people, mocking soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice and lying constantly, what would be the thing he does for you and the Trumplicans to stop supporting him?

If the Republican Party totally flipped and became as Progressive as the Democrats, there would no longer be any need to support them or the Dems, nor Biden or Trump. It might then be too late, but at that point our support would shift to the Libertarians.

Trump still has not released his August fundraising numbers because he knows Joe Biden blew him way out of the water with the $364.5 million record he broke.

Trump's base is dwindling and there is nothing he can do to stop it.
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dear wayne...who tf cares?

Clearly not you but then you. Dont care about dignity, respect, compassion, honor , decency, accountability or basic competence .. or. Truth or the ability to actually tell it from the leader of the free world
Many of the traits all past Presidents possessed some more than others

But who does Trump and his supporters model him after Vladimir Putin
An actual communist and socialist Strong man

And they cant even see it happening
Here are some Trump supporters

If Russia assists MAGA Candidates on the internet in this year’s midterms, that’s not the end of the world.” And others re-upped a C-span clip from the day before in which a caller identified as Mary Lou from Connecticut said, “I’ll try not to sound too awful, but I want to thank the Russians for interfering with our election to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president. That woman has got illusions of grandeur.”

And now Trump reportedly wants Putin summit before November election:happy:




Putin's Image Rises in U.S., Mostly Among Republicans

today.

Americans' Favorable Ratings of Putin, by Party
2015 2017 Change%
%
pct. pts.
Republicans 12 32 +20
Independentx 12 23 +11
Democrats 15 10 -5
GALLUP

Trump's friendlier approach toward Putin appears to have garnered more positive feelings from members of the president's party toward the Russian leader ... now way how could that poll show a plus 20 jump but Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?.

Trump still has not released his August fundraising numbers because he knows Joe Biden blew him way out of the water with the $364.5 million record he broke.

Trump's base is dwindling and there is nothing he can do to stop it.
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Lions, Tigers and Bears-OH MY!

I dont remember such themed flags as a reason to re elect Obama for a 2nd term .. seeing all the crying Republicans were doing. About Obama And all if was made up. Unlike Trumps behaviors

Not sure if conservatives know Portland doesn't represent the United states its become the new chicago rallying cry of conservatives.. and portland is an oddity it Oregon its self

substantial majority of Portlanders — 74 percent — consider themselves to be liberal on social issues, compared with 35 percent of the rest of the region and 36 percent of the rest of the state.


But like most conservatives they want to spin this elaborate story that what's going on in Portland is tied to some grand national movment of the democratic party .

So places like fox and other conservative media outlets play the same loop day after day and have the base convinced its every where :faga:

here's a local example of conservatives and Trump supporters over reaction and gullibility, I have a brother in law who is a rabid Trump fan. Who informs me at a cook out about QAnon. And how yesterday Sunday BLM and Antifa were decending on a Trump flag store and he and others were going to defend the store . At 6pm. So yesterday 150 Trump supporters set up shop flags lawn chairs at the closed business majority Mask less no social distancing. . and guess who's shows up 2 18 years old with homemade signs. Simple masks no hoods no back pack or Antifa markings. One saying BLM and 1 saying G Floyd Rest in peace.. and in typical Trump support er fashion one guy got in their face screaming sun tans dont make you BLACK . Over and over . I guess he was suggesting your white you shouldn't be supporting a different race

Those 2 young Girls had some guts for showing up


Ps still haven't seen an explanation on who are these strongman flags directed at? Russia China or Americans who dont support Trump... .?

That's a nice little story. It explains everything.

Trump kiosk outside in Brant Rock this weekend brought in close to $250k...bet half the people buying merch were woman. Think Nov will be a landslide victory for Trump

Lions, Tigers and Bears-OH MY!

In an unprecedented public attack by a sitting US president on the leadership of the US military, President Trump has accused US military leaders of seeking to start wars to boost the profits of defense contractors
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Trump kiosk outside in Brant Rock this weekend brought in close to $250k...bet half the people buying merch were woman. Think Nov will be a landslide victory for Trump
Really
Some people inside the campaign are forecasting what was once unthinkable: a cash crunch with less than 60 days until the election’
He better sell a lot of junk
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Trump kiosk outside in Brant Rock this weekend brought in close to $250k...bet half the people buying merch were woman. Think Nov will be a landslide victory for Trump

So they sold 16 Thousand Flags at 15.00 bucks a piece ..
Aren't campaign signs usually free from campaigns
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Sheldon Adelson has cut off Trump and is privately telling people in Vegas he blames Trump for him losing billions.

This is amazing.
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Lawyers are expensive
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Sheldon Adelson has cut off Trump and is privately telling people in Vegas he blames Trump for him losing billions.

This is amazing.
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Doesn't seem to be very private. Gotta look out for the un-private "private" conversations. Sort of like anonymous sources.

Multiple sightings in Bucks County, PA on Labor Day: “Republicans for Biden” signs. The suburbs are turning
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Multiple sightings in Bucks County, PA on Labor Day: “Republicans for Biden” signs. The suburbs are turning
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multiple...like 3? :hihi:

On seeing the report four boats sank in a recent Trump boater rally in Texas I believe I found this amusing.

In an unprecedented public attack by a sitting US president on the leadership of the US military, President Trump has accused US military leaders of seeking to start wars to boost the profits of defense contractors
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Have you seen a verified, documented transcript or exact quote in its context, or is this hearsay by unnamed sources. Have you ever heard Trump unjustifiably attack the U.S. military--not some person or "leader" in the military--but the military itself?

Here's the quote from Whitehouse.gov
"I’m not saying the military is in love with me; the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy."

Divide and conquer. The oldest play in the book. Trump has been doing it since he came down the escalator. Today he took it to a new level by seeking to divide military rank and file from their leadership. The Commander-in-Chief is undermining his own military chain-of-command. He's too ignorant to realize that "the Pentagon is just a bunch of guys starting wars so they can give contracts to industry" is pretty much the Cold War, Marxist-Leninist Soviet line since forever.

Just more lies from Tweety about military spending

In a statement after the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the president said we should all move on because the Saudis promised to buy a lot of American weapons.

It has been 670 days since Tweety said he would be sharing more information about the death of Jamal Khashoggi in less than a month.
"A month? That's a long time. There's no reason for that much. It'll be faster."

It wasn't faster.

Six months after Khashoggi was killed in a Saudi consulate, we learned Energy Secretary Rick Perry approved SIX secret authorizations by companies to sell sensitive nuclear technology and assistance to Saudi Arabia.

Trump later abandoned the Kurds fighting isis, left our bases for Putin, and redirected our troops to the Saudis. Not to mention the Nuke tech he’s provided to them either, against Congress’ wishes.

In June, at an event where he claimed to have personally redesigned a new frigate to “make it beautiful,” he also admitted that he’d steered a $5 billion defense contract to a shipyard in Wisconsin because it’s a swing state.

Just think, Osama Bin Laden’s niece has endorsed Trump.

Donald Trump’s niece has endorsed Biden.

Clearly not you but then you. Dont care about dignity, respect, compassion, honor , decency, accountability or basic competence .. or. Truth or the ability to actually tell it from the leader of the free world

Blah, blah, talking points. Mostly repeated mantras meant to create a basically false picture of Trump. That is, mostly the repeated lies that have become "truth" for you.

Many of the traits all past Presidents possessed some more than others

But who does Trump and his supporters model him after Vladimir Putin
An actual communist and socialist Strong man

And they cant even see it happening
Here are some Trump supporters

If Russia assists MAGA Candidates on the internet in this year’s midterms, that’s not the end of the world.” And others re-upped a C-span clip from the day before in which a caller identified as Mary Lou from Connecticut said, “I’ll try not to sound too awful, but I want to thank the Russians for interfering with our election to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president. That woman has got illusions of grandeur.”

And now Trump reportedly wants Putin summit before November election:happy:




Putin's Image Rises in U.S., Mostly Among Republicans

today.

Americans' Favorable Ratings of Putin, by Party
2015 2017 Change%
%
pct. pts.
Republicans 12 32 +20
Independentx 12 23 +11
Democrats 15 10 -5
GALLUP

Trump's friendlier approach toward Putin appears to have garnered more positive feelings from members of the president's party toward the Russian leader ... now way how could that poll show a plus 20 jump but Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?.

Wow . . . the Independents had a big jump in approval too. The Independents are trending commie!

Oh, not that it's meaningful or important to you, but the Communist Party USA works with and in support of the Democrat Party. And their platforms have been consistently similar. Maybe the Republicans are getting more jealous and are saying "Hey, help us too. We are having more positive feelings toward Putin!"

Or maybe it's a rather meaningless poll in regards to our trending toward socialism. It's the Progressive Democrats (and outright socialist Democrats) that have a serious problem with capitalism.

I can't believe people are comparing Trump to Satan.
Sure he's evil, but certainly not as evil as Trump.

I can't believe people are comparing Trump to Satan.
Sure he's evil, but certainly not as evil as Trump.

This is very profound and important. Keep up the good work.

Wow . . . the Independents had a big jump in approval too. The Independents are trending commie!

Oh, not that it's meaningful or important to you, but the Communist Party USA works with and in support of the Democrat Party. And their platforms have been consistently similar. Maybe the Republicans are getting more jealous and are saying "Hey, help us too. We are having more positive feelings toward Putin!"

Or maybe it's a rather meaningless poll in regards to our trending toward socialism. It's the Progressive Democrats (and outright socialist Democrats) that have a serious problem with capitalism.

run on your hamster wheel all you want Republicans 20 points Higher dont try to blame independents ..

Party US have been around since the 20's and their biggest vote count for POTUS was 103,307 in 1932 so please lets not exaggerate .. on how dangerous they are or their helping Biden OMG and Q is helping Trump whos more dangerous

Here's the quote from Whitehouse.gov
"I’m not saying the military is in love with me; the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy."



That certainly is not him saying that the soldiers are losers and suckers. As far as what he said about the top people in the pentagon, it mirrors to a great degree what Eisenhower said about the military industrial complex.

run on your hamster wheel all you want Republicans 20 points Higher dont try to blame independents ..

I didn't "blame" independents. I just noted that your stats showed a big jump in their approval for Putin. And that it's a meaningless poll in regards to our slide toward socialism (unless you think that Independents approving of Putin more somehow mean we are becoming more socialist).

Party US have been around since the 20's and their biggest vote count for POTUS was 103,307 in 1932 so please lets not exaggerate .. on how dangerous they are or their helping Biden OMG and Q is helping Trump whos more dangerous

Well, since the population is at least 250% higher today than in 1932 we'd be looking at 250,000+ votes some of which could be enough in swing states with tight races to make a difference. And it's not about how "dangerous" the Commie connection to the Democrat party is (I don't think you believe it is dangerous, so I won't go there). It is about which party is actually heading us more precipitously into socialism, your Putin poll notwithstanding.

The Commies helping the Dems is not just about the actual Commie vote, but in various get out the vote, and persuasion of "working class" and undecided voters through propaganda and on the ground actions, including protests, riots, disinformation, creating distrust of the system, etc.

And, again, as I said, the Commie platform and purported agenda is almost a twin of the Dems. For the Commies, the Dems are the useful idiot tools that will eventually lead to their victory. Here's this year's message from the CPUSA. Note how if this wasn't designated as the Commie agenda, you would recognize it as the Dem's.

CPUSA Political Action Commission's "People power: At the ballot box and beyond":

No one movement by itself can determine the outcome of the elections. But all people’s organizations, including the Communist Party USA, can decide what the post-election climate of struggle will look like: will we be fighting for our lives or for the advanced demands we need? The goal of the Communist Party USA is to change what is possible in this given moment with the movement we can and continue to build. The 2020 elections aren’t about getting Biden elected as president. This is mainly about defeating a right-wing agenda in the United States.

The dominance of the right wing in U.S. society had led to many setbacks in the struggle for socialism. Our participation in the elections is a step toward setting the stage for advancing our efforts. Building working-class unity around the 2020 elections is going to be a challenge.

Defeating the far right at the ballot box across the nation at all levels of government will allow for more advanced struggles. The struggle for universal health care, education, and the right to housing and jobs will not develop beyond its current stage if the far right maintains a foothold in the state. Communists must develop real links with the working class, and this cannot be done by sitting out the elections. Millions of workers will head to the polls in November. The result of this election will determine the fate of working people far outside the United States. Communists must strive to be where workers are, not where we want them to be. Working in the elections, the mass movement for Black lives, and other progressive mass organizations is one of the primary ways the Communist Party develops organic ties to the masses.

Many were disappointed when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic Party presidential primary. Sen. Sanders’ dropping out of the race isn’t the end of the movement that started long before his campaign began. The progressive changes in the Democratic Party will continue. Bernie Sanders’ clear message to his supporters is that their campaign made progress in bringing vital issues like the $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and Medicare for All into the mainstream, but to continue and win those fights it is urgent to defeat Trump by voting for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Progressive working-class organizations will engage in the electoral battle, depending on their own needs and goals. As Communists, we must work with these mass organizations and seek to build real organic ties. Sitting out elections won’t aid in the political development of workers. Elections are a time to educate ourselves and the working class.

A defeat of Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.
The threat of fascism is a real and present danger. Since the 2016 elections, hate crime in the U.S. has risen every year. Immigrant children have been separated from their families, and police violence continues to be a significant issue across the nation. The 2020 elections won’t solve all the glaring problems of the United States. A defeat of Donald Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.

The Young Communist League has a vital role in mobilizing young voters. The coronavirus will shape the politics of millions of Americans for generations to come. Mobilizing workers doesn’t end at the elections. Collecting contact information of the people met through organizing is vital for future struggles. If there is a single issue that gets someone to vote, make a note of it. The minimum wage, immigration reform, or health care may be one reason someone is voting. Don’t only take notes on those who will be voting in the election. Those who don’t vote can be a good source of information. Many workers don’t vote, and this is what the right wing in the United States wants. The fewer people that vote, the more the right wing tends to win. Understanding the reasons people don’t vote in your area helps inform future organizing efforts.

The right to a higher education

Student loan debt is stunting the future of many. The economic depression we are faced with will only get worse under the current regime in government. An economic stimulus for workers and students is needed. Student loan forgiveness and universal higher education are goals outside the movement’s reach if the Republican Party is allowed to dominate politics.

The right to a job

Gainful employment is hard to come by. The fight for $15 movement has taken years to get the minimum wage raised in several states. In many states, raising the minimum wage has been delayed to the point of barely helping low-wage workers. The cost of living continues to go up across the nation, and the federal government hasn’t responded. The right to a job must include a right to unionize. Stronger labor laws that favor workers instead of the bosses is a need. This is something that won’t be accomplished if the Republican Party remains the dominant force in the nation.

The right to health care

Now more than ever has the fight for universal health care become a central issue facing the nation. The coronavirus has shown how fragile the system of capitalism is and the health-care model that puts profits before people. Hospitals have run out of space, testing has been delayed or improperly administered, and many have suffered little to no action by the federal government. Universal health care, including the nationalization of hospitals, is needed. The coronavirus will not be the last pandemic to hit this nation.

Police reform and freedom from racial discrimination

Racism has long been a pillar on which the U.S. has been built. It maintains a racial caste system to preserve the power of the capitalist ruling class. The police are a weapon of ruling-class oppression. The racist killings of black and brown youth by the police is part of the oppressive system we live in. The police need to defunded and reconstructed to be accountable to the people whose communities they police.

The environmental movement

The struggle over the environment is about having a future worth fighting for. Climate change and pollution have destroyed the communities of the poor and people of color. The New Deal represents a step in the right direction toward leaving harmful fossil fuels behind and offering new jobs to workers who would otherwise be displaced when the economy would have to shift away from fossil fuels when the wells start to run dry.

The money is there for all these needs by cutting the military budget and taxing the rich. Movements for these demands are also growing across the country among youth and all generations.

Elections are an essential time to build new working relationships with working-class voters. It is necessary to emphasize the progressive change that can happen with the defeat of the Republican Party in 2020. There are more progressive and socialist candidates in office than there have been in a long time. The uprisings for Black Lives, workers’ rights, and the right to live are helping to shift the nation’s politics into a more socialist direction.

Well, since the population is at least 250% higher today than in 1932 we'd be looking at 250,000+ votes some of which could be enough in swing states with tight races to make a difference. And it's not about how "dangerous" the Commie connection to the Democrat party is (I don't think you believe it is dangerous, so I won't go there). It is about which party is actually heading us more precipitously into socialism, your Putin poll notwithstanding.

The Commies helping the Dems is not just about the actual Commie vote, but in various get out the vote, and persuasion of "working class" and undecided voters through propaganda and on the ground actions, including protests, riots, disinformation, creating distrust of the system, etc.

And, again, as I said, the Commie platform and purported agenda is almost a twin of the Dems. For the Commies, the Dems are the useful idiot tools that will eventually lead to their victory. Here's this year's message from the CPUSA. Note how if this wasn't designated as the Commie agenda, you would recognize it as the Dem's.

CPUSA Political Action Commission's "People power: At the ballot box and beyond":

No one movement by itself can determine the outcome of the elections. But all people’s organizations, including the Communist Party USA, can decide what the post-election climate of struggle will look like: will we be fighting for our lives or for the advanced demands we need? The goal of the Communist Party USA is to change what is possible in this given moment with the movement we can and continue to build. The 2020 elections aren’t about getting Biden elected as president. This is mainly about defeating a right-wing agenda in the United States.

The dominance of the right wing in U.S. society had led to many setbacks in the struggle for socialism. Our participation in the elections is a step toward setting the stage for advancing our efforts. Building working-class unity around the 2020 elections is going to be a challenge.

Defeating the far right at the ballot box across the nation at all levels of government will allow for more advanced struggles. The struggle for universal health care, education, and the right to housing and jobs will not develop beyond its current stage if the far right maintains a foothold in the state. Communists must develop real links with the working class, and this cannot be done by sitting out the elections. Millions of workers will head to the polls in November. The result of this election will determine the fate of working people far outside the United States. Communists must strive to be where workers are, not where we want them to be. Working in the elections, the mass movement for Black lives, and other progressive mass organizations is one of the primary ways the Communist Party develops organic ties to the masses.

Many were disappointed when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic Party presidential primary. Sen. Sanders’ dropping out of the race isn’t the end of the movement that started long before his campaign began. The progressive changes in the Democratic Party will continue. Bernie Sanders’ clear message to his supporters is that their campaign made progress in bringing vital issues like the $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and Medicare for All into the mainstream, but to continue and win those fights it is urgent to defeat Trump by voting for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Progressive working-class organizations will engage in the electoral battle, depending on their own needs and goals. As Communists, we must work with these mass organizations and seek to build real organic ties. Sitting out elections won’t aid in the political development of workers. Elections are a time to educate ourselves and the working class.

A defeat of Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.
The threat of fascism is a real and present danger. Since the 2016 elections, hate crime in the U.S. has risen every year. Immigrant children have been separated from their families, and police violence continues to be a significant issue across the nation. The 2020 elections won’t solve all the glaring problems of the United States. A defeat of Donald Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.

The Young Communist League has a vital role in mobilizing young voters. The coronavirus will shape the politics of millions of Americans for generations to come. Mobilizing workers doesn’t end at the elections. Collecting contact information of the people met through organizing is vital for future struggles. If there is a single issue that gets someone to vote, make a note of it. The minimum wage, immigration reform, or health care may be one reason someone is voting. Don’t only take notes on those who will be voting in the election. Those who don’t vote can be a good source of information. Many workers don’t vote, and this is what the right wing in the United States wants. The fewer people that vote, the more the right wing tends to win. Understanding the reasons people don’t vote in your area helps inform future organizing efforts.

The right to a higher education

Student loan debt is stunting the future of many. The economic depression we are faced with will only get worse under the current regime in government. An economic stimulus for workers and students is needed. Student loan forgiveness and universal higher education are goals outside the movement’s reach if the Republican Party is allowed to dominate politics.

The right to a job

Gainful employment is hard to come by. The fight for $15 movement has taken years to get the minimum wage raised in several states. In many states, raising the minimum wage has been delayed to the point of barely helping low-wage workers. The cost of living continues to go up across the nation, and the federal government hasn’t responded. The right to a job must include a right to unionize. Stronger labor laws that favor workers instead of the bosses is a need. This is something that won’t be accomplished if the Republican Party remains the dominant force in the nation.

The right to health care

Now more than ever has the fight for universal health care become a central issue facing the nation. The coronavirus has shown how fragile the system of capitalism is and the health-care model that puts profits before people. Hospitals have run out of space, testing has been delayed or improperly administered, and many have suffered little to no action by the federal government. Universal health care, including the nationalization of hospitals, is needed. The coronavirus will not be the last pandemic to hit this nation.

Police reform and freedom from racial discrimination

Racism has long been a pillar on which the U.S. has been built. It maintains a racial caste system to preserve the power of the capitalist ruling class. The police are a weapon of ruling-class oppression. The racist killings of black and brown youth by the police is part of the oppressive system we live in. The police need to defunded and reconstructed to be accountable to the people whose communities they police.

The environmental movement

The struggle over the environment is about having a future worth fighting for. Climate change and pollution have destroyed the communities of the poor and people of color. The New Deal represents a step in the right direction toward leaving harmful fossil fuels behind and offering new jobs to workers who would otherwise be displaced when the economy would have to shift away from fossil fuels when the wells start to run dry.

The money is there for all these needs by cutting the military budget and taxing the rich. Movements for these demands are also growing across the country among youth and all generations.

Elections are an essential time to build new working relationships with working-class voters. It is necessary to emphasize the progressive change that can happen with the defeat of the Republican Party in 2020. There are more progressive and socialist candidates in office than there have been in a long time. The uprisings for Black Lives, workers’ rights, and the right to live are helping to shift the nation’s politics into a more socialist direction.


people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America :kewl:

people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America :kewl:
It's crazy how they bemoan the progressive threat to Constitutional government when Trump is undermining the Constitution left and right.

The people ain't buying it.

I can’t believe you guys still attempt to debate the blue man, he gets is rocks off pontificating in this forum, it’s actually sad to witness. Nothing you say changes his twisted view go fishing.

people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America :kewl:

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

That certainly is not him saying that the soldiers are losers and suckers. As far as what he said about the top people in the pentagon, it mirrors to a great degree what Eisenhower said about the military industrial complex.

Baloney

Trump's present anger against the military senior command arises from his outraged discovery that the US military is loyal to the US government, to the US constitution - and not to Donald John Trump personally.

That's all this is about. Trump wants a military that will shoot protesters to clear the streets for his photo ops.

The military high command remember that they swore their oath to the Constitution, not to Trump.

Trump hates them for it.

Eisenhower was also particularly concerned that military spending would overwhelm the private economy - and push the US into debt.

Even before COVID, Trump had put the US on the path to trillion-dollar deficits forever.

Eisenhower - who inherited the Korean War - did reduce defense spending over his eight years by some 27%.

In this respect, Trump is no Eisenhower. Over Trump's four years in office, he boosted defense spending from just over $600 bn to just over $700 bn.
And he’s claiming it’s the military leadership
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It's crazy how they bemoan the progressive threat to Constitutional government when Trump is undermining the Constitution left and right.

The people ain't buying it.

How is he undermining the Constitution?

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

The foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan is that radical Marxists are trying to incite a race war to destroy white civilization.
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Baloney

Trump's present anger against the military senior command arises from his outraged discovery that the US military is loyal to the US government, to the US constitution - and not to Donald John Trump personally.

That's all this is about. Trump wants a military that will shoot protesters to clear the streets for his photo ops.

The military high command remember that they swore their oath to the Constitution, not to Trump.

Trump hates them for it.

I don't recall Trump saying any of this. Are you conjecturing again.

Eisenhower was also particularly concerned that military spending would overwhelm the private economy - and push the US into debt.

Even before COVID, Trump had put the US on the path to trillion-dollar deficits forever.

Eisenhower - who inherited the Korean War - did reduce defense spending over his eight years by some 27%.

In this respect, Trump is no Eisenhower. Over Trump's four years in office, he boosted defense spending from just over $600 bn to just over $700 bn.
And he’s claiming it’s the military leadership


The national debt, before Trump, was already on the path to trillion dollar deficits forever--and that was with reduced military spending and a sequester on military spending. The military, at a time when it was claimed by the military command, if I remember correctly, that it would be difficult to maintain a war on two fronts, and Iran, radical Islamists, Russia, North Korea, and especially China, were dangerously expanding and high tech modernizing their militaries. It was the military command, not Trump, who decided on how much the military needed.

I don't know if Eisenhower foresaw the 20 trillion dollar deficit that Trump had "inherited." Or if he foresaw an economy crippling pandemic that required several trillion dollars to finance.

And yeah it was the military leadership and military hawks in Congress and the administration that called for the 700 billion dollar budget. McCain asked for Congress and the White House to work "expeditiously" on a budget agreement that secures the increased $700 billion for the military following years of spending cuts. He also said "After nearly a decade of asking our troops to do more with less, we hope this agreement will allow the military to begin to rebuild and ensure that process can continue into next year," and Jim Mattis pressed for a sweeping budget deal that would realize a long-sought Pentagon goal of lifting the caps on defense spending under the sequester process.

The foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan is that radical Marxists are trying to incite a race war to destroy white civilization.
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What's your point?

What's your point?

Your beliefs
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Your beliefs
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I don't have a belief about the foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan regarding radical Marxists.

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology , and there its is emotion over facts , socialism is a specific ideology that is actually regressive look at history you suspect communists have power they dont as if there the Illuminati

But your originalist arguments are just that an argument you nor I know what was in the mind of the founders when they wrote it, but they didn't seem overly attached to the old way of doing things , just saying

How is he undermining the Constitution?

Justice dept seeks to defend Trump defamation case

Not sure if this fits. But its way away from past practice and 1 step closer to the justice department completely under his control

The national debt, before Trump, was already on the path to trillion dollar deficits forever--and that was with reduced military spending and a sequester on military spending. The military, at a time when it was claimed by the military command, if I remember correctly, that it would be difficult to maintain a war on two fronts, and Iran, radical Islamists, Russia, North Korea, and especially China, were dangerously expanding and high tech modernizing their militaries. It was the military command, not Trump, who decided on how much the military needed.

I don't know if Eisenhower foresaw the 20 trillion dollar deficit that Trump had "inherited." Or if he foresaw an economy crippling pandemic that required several trillion dollars to finance.

And yeah it was the military leadership and military hawks in Congress and the administration that called for the 700 billion dollar budget. McCain asked for Congress and the White House to work "expeditiously" on a budget agreement that secures the increased $700 billion for the military following years of spending cuts. He also said "After nearly a decade of asking our troops to do more with less, we hope this agreement will allow the military to begin to rebuild and ensure that process can continue into next year," and Jim Mattis pressed for a sweeping budget deal that would realize a long-sought Pentagon goal of lifting the caps on defense spending under the sequester process.

The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius
“I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNlnIAYcok

The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius
“I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously."
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So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.

So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.

The only people I've heard trying to make them into ammunition are Trumplicans

Biden's son served in Iraq

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.

The only people I've heard trying to make them into ammunition are Trumplicans


I've heard a lot of people on the right and left say that those wars were not justified, were even illegal, were America interfering in other people's business, America trying to nation build, the ClA and the pentagon lying or justifying their requests for money, immoral, and all kind of street protests against them, as well as condemnations from our major medias as well as from politicians, especially from the left.

I've heard a lot of people on the right and left say that those wars were not justified, were even illegal, were America interfering in other people's business, America trying to nation build, the ClA and the pentagon lying or justifying their requests for money, immoral, and all kind of street protests against them, as well as condemnations from our major medias as well as from politicians, especially from the left.

Old news

Biden's son served in Iraq

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.
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So then, the Iraq wars and the Viet Nam war were fully justified and folks should quit bitching about them.
The comment was made about the generals, not the POTUS. You know the "f*ck*ng generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals.”

Those guys.

Old news

History is always old news. I responded to your "The Armed services statement, they had to make one because of the Stable Genius“ 'I can assure the American people that the senior leaders would only recommend sending our troops to combat when it’s required for national security and a last resort...We take this very, very seriously.' " History shows your Armed Services statement is highly questionable and that there is some merit to what Trump said.


Biden's son served in Iraq

What's that got to do with the veracity of your Armed Services statement. Biden's other son was discharged from the navy because of his cocaine use. Is that significant of Biden's character or view of the military, or qualification to be President?

My only real concern about Biden is that as President he will be a Progressive tool.

Tweety dodged the draft in Vietnam, though he had his own personal war against STDs while dating and can't remember what foot his bone spurs were on.


Yeah, well he had bone spurs and Joe Biden had asthma so neither served. In this election, I don't care about that. Use it as some political tool to defeat Trump since for you defeating him is your political casus belli, your election sine qua non. For me it is not about him or Biden. My "casus" and "sine" is defeating, for the moment, the Progressive destruction of our constitutional order . . . what's left of it.

The comment was made about the generals, not the POTUS. You know the "f*ck*ng generals are a bunch of pussies. They care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals.”

Those guys.

Yeah, well Pete's Armed Services statement was made by those guys. And the Iraq and Viet Nam wars, in the eyes of many, belie that statement.

We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

I wouldn't be surprised that if out of the blue one just conveniently popped up.

Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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You forgot to add, because it was making Trump angry.

Ahhh . . . another whistleblower complaint released by Adam Schiff. Probably good to wait before passing judgment.

Trump telling Woodward that Kim Jong un shared a graphic description of Kim murdering his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun makes me think NK had a dossier on Trump and knew his sadistic kinks.
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Justice dept seeks to defend Trump defamation case

Not sure if this fits. But its way away from past practice and 1 step closer to the justice department completely under his control

Apparently, it's "not particularly unusual" :

"Yes, that's the so-called Westfall statue, which says that if someone is an employee of the executive branch or the legislative, and they are sued for a state tort that occurred in the course of them working for the government - of their duties for the government - then they can have it certified to be moved to federal court, and the United States is then substituted as the party," Barr said.

"This is done frequently. It's been done for presidents. It's been done for congressmen. The normal process was followed in this particular case you're talking about.":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/barr-defends-doj-involvement-in-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuit/ar-BB18SdRn''

No, no more than his lies about the Mueller report
Tweety has to provide a DNA sample by the fifteenth of this month.
Odd that you wouldn’t be willing to do that and prove your innocence, what he’s doing is like taking the Fifth.
The Carroll case was at a delicate moment for the president when the Justice Department intervened. Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers had tried to put the lawsuit on hold, but a judge ruled last month that it could proceed. That ruling had also seemingly cleared a path for Ms. Carroll’s legal team to pursue its request that Mr. Trump provide a DNA sample to determine whether his genetic material is on a dress she was wearing at the time of the encounter.
The department’s motion to take control of the case came as Mr. Trump’s private lawyers were facing a deadline to appeal an order compelling a deposition and a DNA sample.

In portraying the Justice Department’s intervention this week as unremarkable, Mr. Barr did not explain why the administration had waited more than 10 months to step in.

The move to portray the case as centering on an official action by Mr. Trump has drawn scrutiny. A federal judge reviewing whether the intervention was legitimate will have to decide whether Mr. Trump was acting within the scope of his employment as president when he disparaged Ms. Carroll
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No, no more than his lies about the Mueller report
Tweety has to provide a DNA sample by the fifteenth of this month.
Odd that you wouldn’t be willing to do that and prove your innocence, what he’s doing is like taking the Fifth.
The Carroll case was at a delicate moment for the president when the Justice Department intervened. Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers had tried to put the lawsuit on hold, but a judge ruled last month that it could proceed. That ruling had also seemingly cleared a path for Ms. Carroll’s legal team to pursue its request that Mr. Trump provide a DNA sample to determine whether his genetic material is on a dress she was wearing at the time of the encounter.
The department’s motion to take control of the case came as Mr. Trump’s private lawyers were facing a deadline to appeal an order compelling a deposition and a DNA sample.

In portraying the Justice Department’s intervention this week as unremarkable, Mr. Barr did not explain why the administration had waited more than 10 months to step in.

The move to portray the case as centering on an official action by Mr. Trump has drawn scrutiny. A federal judge reviewing whether the intervention was legitimate will have to decide whether Mr. Trump was acting within the scope of his employment as president when he disparaged Ms. Carroll
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Oh, so a judge has to decide, but you already know. Typical.

Just another Barr coverup

Kaplan’s legal briefs in Carroll’s case made sure to specify that Trump was being sued only in his personal capacity, not for any conduct he might have committed as president.

Kaplan’s briefs also point out that Trump, while president, has brought several high-profile lawsuits in his personal capacity, including his suit against the New York district attorney’s office, Trump v. Vance, which the Supreme Court decided against Trump this past July.
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Trying to construe the president’s self-serving words about a purely private matter as official acts conflates the person of the president with the nation’s government. That is what occurs in dictatorships, not democracies. President Bill Clinton paid for his own lawyers when he defended himself in the Paula Jones lawsuit. The Justice Department should not now be helping Mr. Trump wriggle out of responsibility for his own words in a private matter.
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Trying to construe the president’s self-serving words about a purely private matter as official acts conflates the person of the president with the nation’s government. That is what occurs in dictatorships, not democracies. President Bill Clinton paid for his own lawyers when he defended himself in the Paula Jones lawsuit. The Justice Department should not now be helping Mr. Trump wriggle out of responsibility for his own words in a private matter.
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So you know more than the Attorney General. OK.

Lock him up, that shouldn’t bother you since it was Tweety’s previous campaign slogan
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We really could use another whistleblower right about now.

oooh...and a "bombshell" too...

Woodward screwed Trump so hard yesterday that Michael Cohen sent him a check for $130k
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Ask and you shall receive
Breaking —> Senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges in whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on threat of Russian interference.
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Ahhh . . . another whistleblower complaint released by Adam Schiff. Probably good to wait before passing judgment.

Breaking BREAKING #Whistleblower
@CBSNews has obtained DHS response to Chairman Schiff
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includes Whistleblower complaint from former Acting Under Secretary for Intelligence & Analysis Brian Murphy. WHY IT MATTERS: DHS tells house committee emails between Murphy + his colleagues are in” direct contradiction to Mr Murphy's claims" KEY SECTION: Pg 2 “In this production, you will find an email from Mr. Murphy to other Department employees on July 25, 2020, stating: ‘The acting secretary has never given me any direction on what to do Regarding [sic] threats
Catherine Herridge
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Sep 14
The same applies to the acting deputy secretary.’ This email, which is in direct contradiction to Mr. Murphy’s claims in the OIG Complaint, is part of a longerthread ...and is being provided for further context + as responsive” to Committee’s request in Portland Investigation.”

The department stands by the acting secretary's satement from last week that any accusations that DHS is improperly holding or delaying intelligence for political considerations is false.

Imagine: Had he been truthful & honestly leveled with the American public, framed a total lockdown, social distancing & mandatory mask wearing as patriotic, he could have crushed the pandemic, saved countless lives & would now be cruising to an historic landslide.
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Imagine: Had he been truthful & honestly leveled with the American public, framed a total lockdown, social distancing & mandatory mask wearing as patriotic, he could have crushed the pandemic, saved countless lives & would now be cruising to an historic landslide.


You do like to conjecture. Those things you mentioned have not crushed the pandemic in other countries. There is a worldwide surge of it.

Not worldwide, don’t worry we will be leading again with a few more super spreader events aka Rallies

Here’s what he said last night in his train wreck of a town hall


"It would just away without the vaccine, George" Trump says at the ABC town hall about the coronavirus and then promotes herd immunity but instead calls it "herd mentality."
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Not worldwide, don’t worry we will be leading again with a few more super spreader events aka Rallies

Here’s what he said last night in his train wreck of a town hall


"It would just away without the vaccine, George" Trump says at the ABC town hall about the coronavirus and then promotes herd immunity but instead calls it "herd mentality."


Coronavirus deaths in Europe are approaching 225,900, as of Tuesday. But the death toll is expected to get worse in October and November, the World Health Organization (WHO) warned.

While fears over a second wave of the outbreak remain in Europe, "It's going to get tougher. In October, November, we are going to see more mortality," WHO Regional Director for Europe, Dr. Hans Henri P. Kluge, told Agence France-Presse (AFP) Monday.

"It's a moment where countries don't want to hear this bad news, and I understand," Kluge told AFP, noting the outbreak "is going to finish, at one moment or another."


Kluge's warning came as several European countries, including Spain, the U.K. and Italy, were reported to have more COVID-19 deaths per capita (per one million people) than the U.S., which has 583.44 deaths per one million, according to the latest report Tuesday

Last seven days no European country is close to USA in deaths
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Last seven days no European country is close to USA in deaths
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And yet, the virus is not "crushed" in Europe.

Would have been a lot closer than him saying one thing in private and the opposite to the American people.
Now, in what looks like an attempt to kill off his followers, he’s holding rallies
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Would have been a lot closer than him saying one thing in private and the opposite to the American people.
Now, in what looks like an attempt to kill off his followers, he’s holding rallies


It could have been worse. Probably why everyone else was doing the same thing.

You all talking about Brazil?
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