the officers did not execute a no-knock warrant. even i thought they did, because everyone was saying it.

according to what the cops said, and corroborated by people
living in the apartment building, the cops yelled “police” first, then knocked. upon entering, taylor’s boyfriend ( a drug dealer for whom the warrant was granted) shot one of the cops. he admits he fired first.

tragedy? absolutely. Murder? not even close. not even close.

almost everything i heard about this case in the media was a lie. a politically convenient lie.

cnn contributor, a black man with a PhD, says “black people cant go anywhere.”

not sure where he got his PhD from, or how he managed to survive.

a very sad time.

spread lies to keep blacks agitated, so they can be exploited and controlled. but republicans are the racists.
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Perhaps one night police will knock on your door then kick it in
As a law abiding citizen, would you hear them say police or be awakened by them busting down your door?
Just what would your reaction be to an unknown intruder kicking in your door?
You didn’t hear them say police, tough #^&#^&#^&#^&, you’re dead or committing a crime.
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Perhaps one night police will knock on your door then kick it in
As a law abiding citizen, would you hear them say police or be awakened by them busting down your door?
Just what would your reaction be to an unknown intruder kicking in your door?
You didn’t hear them say police, tough #^&#^&#^&#^&, you’re dead or committing a crime.
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the announced themselves, entered lawfully, and were shot at.

tell us what i said, which is wrong.

a neighbor testified that they announced themselves. what are they supposed to do, send emails to drug dealers, asking them to turn themselves in?

i’m not a drug dealer. i don’t expect cops to bust down my door.

not every tragedy involves a crime. they were obviously allowed to return fire in that situation.

what should the cops have done, when after announcing themselves, one was shot, severing the artery in his leg?
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the announced themselves, entered lawfully, and were shot at.

tell us what i said, which is wrong.

a neighbor testified that they announced themselves. what are they supposed to do, send emails to drug dealers, asking them to turn themselves in?
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If they did that at my house and I didn’t hear them, they’d be dead
And claiming it’s my responsibility
Welcome to the police state
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If they did that at my house and I didn’t hear them, they’d be dead
And claiming it’s my responsibility
Welcome to the police state
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fine, you’d kill them all dirty harry.

you can’t answer a simple question here on this board, you’re too scared! tell me
more, Jason Bourne.

if they lawfully entered
my house, i didn’t hear them and fired, if they killed
me....i’d like to think my family is entitled to a huge settlement ( which her family received) but my death doesn’t mean there was a crime.

the guy who is too chicken to answer a question on his keyboard, is going to gun down rogue cops.

Mm-hmm.
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fine, you’d kill them all dirty harry.

you can’t answer a simple question here on this board, you’re too scared! tell me
more, Jason Bourne.

if they lawfully entered
my house, i didn’t hear them and fired, if they killed
me....i’d like to think my family is entitled to a huge settlement ( which her family received) but my death doesn’t mean there was a crime.

the guy who is too chicken to answer a question on his keyboard, is going to gun down rogue cops.

Mm-hmm.
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You’re pretty clueless about who I am and not much of a man.
But that’s right in line with your hero, Tweety
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reports of a cop shot during riots in louiseville. i bet everything i have, the shooter believes that it was a no knock warrant and that cops came in, guns blazing.

the entire democratic party, has adapted al sharptons playbook. chapter and verse. they don’t care about the blood on their hands.
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While you’re blatting like a victim about some possible wrong Cindy McCains endorsement of Biden is not just “another republican”.
Her late husband was BarackObama’s opponent.
Keep believing in the carnival clown, he’s barking


Can you envision Melania Trump publicly endorsing the democratic candidate in the next Presidential election?
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While you’re blatting like a victim about some possible wrong Cindy McCains endorsement of Biden is not just “another republican”.
Her late husband was BarackObama’s opponent.
Keep believing in the carnival clown, he’s barking


Can you envision Melania Trump publicly endorsing the democratic candidate in the next Presidential election?
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it’s a very meaningful
endorsement.

i’m not a victim. blacks are being victimized.

my question which you will
dodge. what evidence is there, that race had any role in this event.

you’re a pussy and a bore.
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it’s a very meaningful
endorsement.

i’m not a victim. blacks are being victimized.

my question which you will
dodge. what evidence is there, that race had any role in this event.

you’re a pussy and a bore.
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Say it to my face, anytime anyplace
Little man
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Say it to my face, anytime anyplace
Little man
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pete, you can’t answer a question i ask. maybe start there.
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Say it to my face, anytime anyplace
Little man
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the guy who can’t bring himself to
answer a question, is suddenly a tough guy.
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two cops now shot in louiseville, because the left pushed a narrative they knew was false.

we know it wasn’t a no knock warrant. we know they identified themselves. we know the guy in the apartment shot first.

we know all that. yet cnn and msnbc are saying she was killed, and the cops not charged with murder, because she was black.

“enemy of the people” isnt far off. two cops shot for absolutely no reason, other than the rioters were manipulated by the left. the worse things get before november, the better their chances of winning elections. who cares what the carnage is, in the wake of riots based on a liberal lie.

it’s satanic.
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Wasn't charged with murder stating it was justified because the boyfriend fired 1st who isn't dead. But was charged with. wanton endangerment if they commit an act that shows "an extreme indifference to the value of human life". The lowest charge possible

The officers fired over 20 shots. Taylor was shot five times, according to her death certificate

Wow ok killing her but bad boy for shooting with out regard. Pathetic

Your a joke with your But I am a good catholic BS . And are the poster child of who and find police behaviors acceptable

I've said this before and il. Say it again or military has greater restraint than police in America





And those officer shot shouldn't have ever been in the situation they weren't shot because who they were they were shot because what the uniform represents which should not be ...

But what also shouldn't be is this obedience and unflinching support of police who make bad choices. But why expect anything less you cant even hold the POTUS to any standard

Jim your the only one pusinga false narrative. :sleeps:

the officers did not execute a no-knock warrant. even i thought they did, because everyone was saying it.

according to what the cops said, and corroborated by people
living in the apartment building, the cops yelled “police” first, then knocked. upon entering, taylor’s boyfriend ( a drug dealer for whom the warrant was granted) shot one of the cops. he admits he fired first.

tragedy? absolutely. Murder? not even close. not even close.

almost everything i heard about this case in the media was a lie. a politically convenient lie.
Please fact check yourself before posting Jim.
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But what also shouldn't be is this obedience and unflinching support of police who make bad choices. :

nobody is is supporting cops that make bad choices, in nearly every one of these instance it's people, not the cops, that make/made the bad choices that led to their outcomes and that 's who would/should be held accountable, you keep ignoring that part and just reflexively blame the cops

wdmso, yes the boyfriend fired first ( which may have been justified if he didn’t hear them announce themselves), and he’s not the one who died. the innocent woman did.

wayne, if the cops are being shot at and they return fire, do you think they should go to jail if they accidentally shoot and kill an innocent bystander by accident?

this is policework. sometimes it’s dangerous and chaotic. it’s not an exact science, and even olympic marksman, shooting in easy circumstances, miss sometimes.

it’s a tragedy. it’s not necessarily a crime, and obviously not murder.

please answer my question - should cops go to prison if they return fire but miss? do you really believe that?
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Please fact check yourself before posting Jim.
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tell me which fact i got wrong for once.
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wdmso, i don’t always believe cops. you’re making stuff up. i’m talking about this case. this specific case.

the media and prominent liberals caused these riots. they caused those cops to be shot. they’re using the mob to help biden win. they don’t care about the carnage and destruction in their wake.

another key question - what evidence is there, that race played any role whatsoever?

not every tragedy is a crime. and you judge each case on the facts of that case. whatever happened in other cases, means nothing.
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and i’d be very curious to know what the liberals here think, of the entire media spinning this for
months, as a no knock entry, where
cops went in guns blazing because the occupants were black.

i never, not once, heard anyone in the media say the cops announced themselves, nor did i ever, not once, hear the media say the cops were shot at first, hitting one in the leg, severing his artery.
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i never, not once, heard anyone in the media say the cops announced themselves, nor did i ever, not once, hear the media say the cops were shot at first, hitting one in the leg, severing his artery.
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Either you don't know the facts or you're intentionally lying.

Either you don't know the facts or you're intentionally lying.

in every one of these cases the left and media has lied and mischaracterized the facts to fuel the mobs rage

Either you don't know the facts or you're intentionally lying.

Almost no one knew those facts. If they did, they'd feel no reason to riot.

Paul, the truth no longer matters. Just The Narrative.

ANY sane person could only conclude that her death is the fault of the guy she was with.

Facts don't matter, only The Narrative.

Almost no one knew those facts. If they did, they'd feel no reason to riot.

.

The facts are they entered her house and a gun fight started. Of the dozen of neighbors interviewed one said he heard the police yell bf busting the door down. Why were they entering her house? Her ex boyfriend didn't live there. The police claimed in the app. for the warrant that the ex boyfriend left her apartment about two months before with a USPS package so they assumed it was drugs. The cop then said they verified with the USPS that the ex boyfriend had been receiving packages at Taylor's house - the USPS said that is not true. I believe the new boyfriend called 911 and said someone is invading my house. Her death is the fault of crappy police work.

The bigger problem is that hardly any police are ever prosecuted. If some where then people would have more confidence that justice was being carried out.

The facts are they entered her house and a gun fight started. Of the dozen of neighbors interviewed one said he heard the police yell bf busting the door down. Why were they entering her house? Her ex boyfriend didn't live there. The police claimed in the app. for the warrant that the ex boyfriend left her apartment about two months before with a USPS package so they assumed it was drugs. The cop then said they verified with the USPS that the ex boyfriend had been receiving packages at Taylor's house - the USPS said that is not true. I believe the new boyfriend called 911 and said someone is invading my house. Her death is the fault of crappy police work.

The bigger problem is that hardly any police are ever prosecuted. If some where then people would have more confidence that justice was being carried out.

wow...that's some impressive command of the facts :rotf2:

The facts are they entered her house and a gun fight started. Of the dozen of neighbors interviewed one said he heard the police yell bf busting the door down. Why were they entering her house? Her ex boyfriend didn't live there. The police claimed in the app. for the warrant that the ex boyfriend left her apartment about two months before with a USPS package so they assumed it was drugs. The cop then said they verified with the USPS that the ex boyfriend had been receiving packages at Taylor's house - the USPS said that is not true. I believe the new boyfriend called 911 and said someone is invading my house. Her death is the fault of crappy police work.

The bigger problem is that hardly any police are ever prosecuted. If some where then people would have more confidence that justice was being carried out.

You left out some facts, and by a stunning coincidence, those omissions serve your narrative.

The cops announced themselves before entering (according to neighbors who heard them), and the guy in the apartment shot first. Even he says he shot first.

Did THOSE cops who entered, are they the ones who got the warrant?

She died because the guy she was with, shot first. Maybe he didn 't hear them identify themselves, which compounds the tragedy.

Paul, I'll ask you, where is the evidence that race played any role?

wow...that's some impressive command of the facts :rotf2:

Very impressive. And note that what he chose to include and exclude, all helps serve The Narrative.

Andy McCarthy laid it out pretty clearly in his article this morning...

"Much of what we’ve been told about the case turns out not to be true — another “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” urban legend of police brutality. Most prominently, Attorney General Cameron explained that the police did not execute a “no knock” warrant before entering Ms. Taylor’s apartment. They knocked and announced themselves as police before forcing entry shortly after midnight.

How they came to be at Ms. Taylor’s home, with a search warrant based on probable cause that evidence of narcotics crimes would be found, is the part of the story the social-justice warriors would have us omit. It needs telling.

When she was killed, Breonna Taylor was 26, a hospital emergency-room technician who hoped to become a nurse. But over the years, she had gotten involved with Glover, a 30-year-old twice-convicted drug dealer. Though never a targeted suspect, the New York Times reports that Ms. Taylor was entangled in the frequent police investigations of Glover. Taylor remained romantically involved with him though he had spent years in prison.

In fact, after they first became a couple in 2016, Taylor agreed to rent a car for Glover and, for her trouble, ended up interviewed in a murder investigation. A man was found shot to death behind the steering wheel of that car, and drugs were found in it. Glover was connected to the decedent through an associate but was not charged in the case.

In the years that followed, Glover was repeatedly arrested on drug charges, and Taylor arranged bail for him and one of his confederates on at least two occasions. Weeks before the fateful March 2020 raid, when Glover was in custody after yet another arrest, they were recorded exchanging intimacies on the phone. After that, police surveillance established that Glover continued to make regular trips to Taylor’s apartment, and Taylor herself was seen outside a house investigators say was part of the drug trafficking operations.

Glover and his coconspirators were said to be operating a series of “trap houses” for stashing illegal drugs — crack, marijuana, and prescription pills they were unauthorized to peddle. At the time of Glover’s arrest in late 2019, police observed narcotics pick-ups, had informant information describing crack sales, and executed search warrants that yielded crack, eight guns, and a surveillance system — commonly used by drug distribution organizations to defeat police detection.

After Glover was released on bail, surveillance placed his car at Ms. Taylor’s home, ten miles away, on six occasions over the next couple of months. Taylor’s car was seen in the vicinity of a trap house associated with Glover several times, and the Times reports she was photographed in front of that location in mid-February. Police also had evidence that Glover used Taylor’s address to receive parcels sent by mail. He was seen leaving her apartment carrying a package in mid-January. As of late February — just two weeks before the warrant was executed — Glover was listing her apartment as his home address according to various databases.

On the night police executed the warrant at Ms. Taylor’s apartment, they searched other locations associated with Glover’s drug operation. The Times recounts that police “found a table covered in drugs packaged for sale, including a plastic sachet containing cocaine and fentanyl.” Moreover, the paper adds:

In a series of calls hours after her death, as Mr. Glover tried to make bail, he told another woman that he had left about $14,000 with Ms. Taylor. “Bre been having all my money,” he claimed. The same afternoon, he also told an associate he had left money at Ms. Taylor’s home.

The lawyer for the Taylor family says no drugs or cash were found in Taylor’s apartment that night. A county prosecutor counters that the shootings curtailed the search. If that is true, it is irregular: The fact that a civilian was killed and a police officer wounded would argue for doing an even more thorough search than usual, not calling it off.

In any event, the Taylor family maintains that Breonna’s romantic relationship with Glover was then over, and she was deeply involved with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker. They had met years earlier, when they were college students. He used to work at a Coca-Cola warehouse, and she had seen him on and off over the years, including while she was involved with Glover.

On March 13, after working, she met Walker for dinner, and they returned to her apartment, where they watched television and she went to sleep after midnight.

At about 12:40 a.m., the police, led by Mattingly and Cosgrove, knocked on the door and announced themselves as police. Taylor and Walker were startled out of their sleep. Walker, a licensed owner of a nine-millimeter Glock, says he did not know it was the police at the door and speculated that it might be Glover breaking in. For their part, the police expected that Ms. Taylor would be alone — they had not seen Walker enter the dwelling with her.

It was dark and there was a long hallway between the bedroom and the front door. There was screaming. Walker fired as Mattingly came through the door, striking him in the leg and severely wounding him. Mattingly and Cosgrove returned fire into the hallway in the general direction of where they believed the shooter was. When the smoke cleared, Walker was unharmed but Taylor had been struck six times. FBI ballistics experts eventually determined that Cosgrove fired the fatal shot."

You left out some facts, and by a stunning coincidence, those omissions serve your narrative.

The cops announced themselves before entering (according to neighbors who heard them)As I said, 1 neighbor said he heard the cops and most of about a dozen said they didn't hear anything, and the guy in the apartment shot first. Even he says he shot first. BC he thought they were being invaded and he called 911 and said they were being invaded.
Did THOSE cops who entered, are they the ones who got the warrant?What difference would that make.

She died because the guy she was with, shot firstBC he thought they were being invaded as they were doing nothing wrong[/COLOR]. Maybe he didn 't hear them identify themselves, which compounds the tragedy.

Paul, I'll ask you, where is the evidence that race played any role?

Blacks feel that this happens disproportionally to Blacks and the cops are never prosecuted

the officers did not execute a no-knock warrant. even i thought they did, because everyone was saying it.
Everyone was saying it because a no knock warrant is what was initially issued. After it was determined Breonna Taylor had no criminal history they were advised to knock. I don't think this was public info until this week. Even though, a pounding on the door before bursting through doesn't make much of a difference. You likely don't have time to realize what's going on. I had a home invasion once, it was a blur.

according to what the cops said, and corroborated by people
living in the apartment building, the cops yelled “police” first, then knocked.
Not people, a single person said they heard the cops say police. Several others nearby said they only heard the knock.

upon entering, taylor’s boyfriend ( a drug dealer for whom the warrant was granted) shot one of the cops. he admits he fired first.
Her boyfriend at the time was not a drug dealer and was not on the warrant. Breonna Taylor was on the warrant because the police were suspicious she was handling drugs for a former boyfriend who is a drug dealer. This claim was investigated by the Postal Inspector before the search and found to be untrue. The police moved forward anyway.

almost everything i heard about this case in the media was a lie. a politically convenient lie.
That's because you don't take the time to read basic and readily available reporting.

Also note there are claims that the police tried to cover up their actions by trying to get the actual drug dealer to lie and say Breonna Taylor was involved in a crime syndicate.

It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death but around the shots fired into an adjacent apartment. Had George Floyd not happened this whole event would have just been swept under the rug.

It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death but around the shots fired into an adjacent apartment.

those are the only shots that were fired that were not justified...why is that difficult for you to understand?

Very impressive. And note that what he chose to include and exclude, all helps serve The Narrative.

Ok, tough guy what exactly did I chose to exclude?

I really doubt you have many friends the way you talk to people bc you really come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

Ok, tough guy what exactly did I chose to exclude?

I really doubt you have many friends the way you talk to people bc you really come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

oh here we go....:)

Also note there are claims that the police tried to cover up their actions by trying to get the actual drug dealer to lie and say Breonna Taylor was involved in a crime syndicate.


yes, that is stunning.

oh here we go....:)

You've bc a #^&#^&#^&#^& too.

Seems like a common thing for the rightys here. RR and then SD were evicted from a slum that allows pretty much anything. The way Jim talks to people here with his anger - he should be next.

Ok, tough guy what exactly did I chose to exclude?

I really doubt you have many friends the way you talk to people bc you really come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

that the cops identified themselves, and that the guy in the apartment shot first, and hit a cop, which means a hail of bullets are going to come back, every single time/

You left those facts out. Pointing that out, doesn't make be tough. It makes me honest.

You've bc a #^&#^&#^&#^& too.

Seems like a common thing for the rightys here. RR and then SD were evicted from a slum that allows pretty much anything. The way Jim talks to people here with his anger - he should be next.

Everybody but you is a jerk.

that the cops identified themselves, and that the guy in the apartment shot first, and hit a cop, which means a hail of bullets are going to come back, every single time/

You left those facts out. Pointing that out, doesn't make be tough. It makes me honest.

And I said previously that of about a dozen neighbors, 1 thought he heard the cops. He could have been mistaken or the others could not have heard.

What difference does it make who shot first - the boyfriend thought it was a home invasion and said that on the 911 call to the POLICE.

Where is the body cam video?

Everybody but you is a jerk.

Not really - but while a few on the left here are jerks, it seems more common w/the folks on the right. Some don't even add anything other than sarcastic or snarky comments.

You've bc a #^&#^&#^&#^& too.

Seems like a common thing for the rightys here. RR and then SD were evicted from a slum that allows pretty much anything. The way Jim talks to people here with his anger - he should be next.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post

Very impressive. And note that what he chose to include and exclude, all helps serve The Narrative.




Quote: Paul S- "OK tough guy what exactly did I chose to exclude?
I really doubt you have many friends the way you talk to people bc you really come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^&."




what exactly did he say? it's funny that you attack him over "anger issues"

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post

Very impressive. And note that what he chose to include and exclude, all helps serve The Narrative.




Quote: Paul S- "OK tough guy what exactly did I chose to exclude?
I really doubt you have many friends the way you talk to people bc you really come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^&."




what exactly did he say? it's funny that you attack him over "anger issues"

That I choose to exclude something to help serve the narrative. The anger issues go beyond this thread.

You have to admit you do come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^& with your constant snarkiness.

That I choose to exclude something to help serve the narrative.

.

this triggered you?...sounds like it's more about you than him....in the future just be fair and don't exclude things to serve your narrative:)

this triggered you?...sounds like it's more about you than him....in the future just be fair and don't exclude things to serve your narrative:)

I'm not triggered but good attempt

Everyone was saying it because a no knock warrant is what was initially issued. After it was determined Breonna Taylor had no criminal history they were advised to knock. I don't think this was public info until this week. Even though, a pounding on the door before bursting through doesn't make much of a difference. You likely don't have time to realize what's going on. I had a home invasion once, it was a blur.


Not people, a single person said they heard the cops say police. Several others nearby said they only heard the knock.


Her boyfriend at the time was not a drug dealer and was not on the warrant. Breonna Taylor was on the warrant because the police were suspicious she was handling drugs for a former boyfriend who is a drug dealer. This claim was investigated by the Postal Inspector before the search and found to be untrue. The police moved forward anyway.


That's because you don't take the time to read basic and readily available reporting.

Also note there are claims that the police tried to cover up their actions by trying to get the actual drug dealer to lie and say Breonna Taylor was involved in a crime syndicate.

It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death but around the shots fired into an adjacent apartment. Had George Floyd not happened this whole event would have just been swept under the rug.




"It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death "

So you feel that if the cops are shot at first (not in dispute), and they return fire, if they kill an innocent bystander, they should go to prison? THAT'S what you're saying? You think it should be a crime if they miss their aim?

God almighty, man. How can you say that with a straight face?

That I choose to exclude something to help serve the narrative. The anger issues go beyond this thread.

You have to admit you do come across as a #^&#^&#^&#^& with your constant snarkiness.

So it's a coincidence you left out the trivial little detail that the guy in the apartment fired first (even he admits this), and that he shot a cop. In your itemized list of facts, you just happened to exclude that little insignificant item?

This is today's left, Paul. Facts don't matter.

Trump is Hitler. He's a dictator. Cops are racist assassins. Blacks can't get ahead. Pro life people hate women. Advocates of legal immigration hate Latinos. It never stops, and it's all bullsh*t. It's only what one does, when one knows they can't win with the truth.

this triggered you?...sounds like it's more about you than him....in the future just be fair and don't exclude things to serve your narrative:)

Only I get triggered. It's all cool when he does it.

"It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death "

So you feel that if the cops are shot at first (not in dispute), and they return fire, if they kill an innocent bystander, they should go to prison? THAT'S what you're saying? You think it should be a crime if they miss their aim?

God almighty, man. How can you say that with a straight face?
One of the officers is looking at up to 15 years as things sit now.

So it's a coincidence you left out the trivial little detail that the guy in the apartment fired first (even he admits this), and that he shot a cop. In your itemized list of facts, you just happened to exclude that little insignificant item?He fired bc he thought there was a home invasion - he didn't hear the cops - 11 of 12 neighbors didn't hear the cops either. he also called 911 and said his home was being invaded. If you invade someone's house you should expect people will defend themselves.

This is today's left, Paul. Facts don't matter.

Trump is Hitler. He's a dictator. Cops are racist assassins. Blacks can't get ahead. Pro life people hate women. Advocates of legal immigration hate Latinos. It never stops, and it's all bullsh*t. It's only what one does, when one knows they can't win with the truth.

Should we go through all the things the right says - and the lies of the Repub. Pres?

Chants of lock her up for an innocent person. Chants of send her back for an American citizen. Real classy people. It never stops and shows what a bunch of classless people there are.

Only I get triggered. It's all cool when he does it.

Seems like you get triggered pretty much every time you post.

And I said previously that of about a dozen neighbors, 1 thought he heard the cops. He could have been mistaken or the others could not have heard.

What difference does it make who shot first - the boyfriend thought it was a home invasion and said that on the 911 call to the POLICE.

Where is the body cam video?

one SAID he heard the cops. Why did you choose to say he "thought" he heard the cops?

And if it just came out that it wasn't a no-knock warrant, why did the meduia run with that? WHy can't they ever, ever get one of these right? You don't see a pattern here of all of them being wrong, and ALWAYS being wrong in a way that helps the liberal cause? None of their 'mistakes' ever help republicans, ever.

Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown who was simply begging for his life, saying hands up don't shoot.

The Duke lacrosse players were obviously guilty.

Nick Sandman is a white supremacist.

Breonna Taylor was gunned down by racist cops who busted in there guns a-blazin'.

They're obviously ignoring facts and truth, to spin a narrative that helps their cause. And cops are dying because of it. And you either deny it or defend it.

Seems like you get triggered pretty much every time you post.

Or, you play that card because you can't respond to what I'm saying.

Should we go through all the things the right says - and the lies of the Repub. Pres?

Chants of lock her up for an innocent person. Chants of send her back for an American citizen. Real classy people. It never stops and shows what a bunch of classless people there are.

"He fired bc he thought there was a home invasion - he didn't hear the cops "

I concede he might not have heard them, and therefore his shooting was justified,

BUT CAN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE COPS PERSPECTIVE FOR TWO SECONDS?

You announce yourself, you enter legally, someone starts shooting and hits the man next to you.

You have ONEW response, you return fire.

You're putting cops in a situation where they cannot win. If they never return fire for fear of being imprisoned, bad guys will get away and hurt other people, and then you'll be complaining that they didn't do their jobs.

All you're doing, is seeing this from the liberal victim side.

Obviously, returning fire was justified, and in real life, that means anyone in the vicinity is in serious danger. Tragedies will happen, there is no way to avoid it.

Paul, I keep asking, but no one will answer...what evidence is there, that race played any role whatsoever?

One of the officers is looking at up to 15 years as things sit now.

As always, you responded to something I didn't ask. I asked if you think it's a crime, for a police officer to return fire and kill a bystander accidentally? Because your side is upset that he wasn't charged in her death. To charge a cop in her death, necessarily means you think it's a crime to return fire and accidentally miss. What would have to happen, for you to respond to what I said? To respond to what I actually said?

He's not going to get any real time, then we'll riot all over again.

The only way to charge a cop with Taylors death, is to believe that when cops are shot at (and even shot), and they return fire, that its a crime if they miss. You're saying that in a justified shooting situation, cops should go to prison if they accidentally miss. How can any sane person believe that?

And is there any evidence, that race played any kind of a role?

Flush the truth down the toilet, start the liberal spin.

Or, you play that card because you can't respond to what I'm saying.

No, I said it bc you said it is cool when I get triggered but you constantly insult people here. Is it bc your get triggered or are you just that type of person?

Pete called you out and said to call him a pussy to his face and you ran away.

Should we go through all the things the right says - and the lies of the Repub. Pres?

Chants of lock her up for an innocent person. Chants of send her back for an American citizen. Real classy people. It never stops and shows what a bunch of classless people there are.

I agree with you that there are plenty of republican liars.

Here's the difference...(1) I can admit the sleaziness on my side, none of you can. (2) those lies are not told to work a mob into a rage, knowing that cops will get hurt as a result, that citizens will also get hurt and have their property destroyed.

Paul, how many cops got shot because of the "lock her up" chant? How many tea party riots were there, how much arson?

Pete called you out and said to call him a pussy to his face and you ran away.



are you ok?...should you be distance learning with your 6th grade class or something?

No, I said it bc you said it is cool when I get triggered but you constantly insult people here. Is it bc your get triggered or are you just that type of person?

Pete called you out and said to call him a pussy to his face and you ran away.

I don't constantly insult people here. Takes a lot to get me to get to that point. I need to be better, I agree.

Pete is repulsive. He has gone after my mother and TDFs daughters (with zero criticism from you, by the way; when I pointed that out to you, you said you didn't care; your disdain for insults is quite selectrive). Hes not brave enough to answer a simple question here, but is a keyboard tough guy.

How am I supposed to respond to his threat (which you're right, I ignored)? I thought ignoring it was best. If I met him face to face, hed go in to a fetal position and suck his thumb.

No, I said it bc you said it is cool when I get triggered but you constantly insult people here. Is it bc your get triggered or are you just that type of person?

Pete called you out and said to call him a pussy to his face and you ran away.

How do you diagnose someone as being triggered by reading what they write? Answer - any time I win, you dismiss me as being angry. Easier than admitting I might ever have a point. God forbid.

How do you diagnose someone as being triggered by reading what they write? Answer - any time I win, you dismiss me as being angry. Easier than admitting I might ever have a point. God forbid.

How do you win? You start out threads with insults. That isn't winning. When someone gets tired of the back and forth, it isn't bc you won it is just they don't want to have 5 pages of the same thing over and over.

Calling people pussy or the other things you constantly insult people with isn't winning.

I came back to answer one of your earlier posts about charging the cops but you can't help but throw an insult so why bother.

You can say to yourself you won.

How do you win? You start out threads with insults. That isn't winning. When someone gets tired of the back and forth, it isn't bc you won it is just they don't want to have 5 pages of the same thing over and over.

Calling people pussy or the other things you constantly insult people with isn't winning.

I came back to answer one of your earlier posts about charging the cops but you can't help but throw an insult so why bother.

You can say to yourself you won.

I win by being right. When I point out that you left out that they were fired upon first and one of the cops was hit...and I ask how anyone can think that missing your aim is necessarily a crime, and no one can respond except to lob insults, that means you win.

Again, how come you don't care about Pete's insults?

Answer: A der der.

As always, you responded to something I didn't ask. I asked if you think it's a crime, for a police officer to return fire and kill a bystander accidentally? Because your side is upset that he wasn't charged in her death. To charge a cop in her death, necessarily means you think it's a crime to return fire and accidentally miss. What would have to happen, for you to respond to what I said? To respond to what I actually said?

He's not going to get any real time, then we'll riot all over again.
I still don't understand how only one of the cops could get charged. While I'm sure they used forensics to identify which gun's bullets entered the other apartment they were all blasting away. So one gets charged for not being as good of a shot? What if he had killed the pregnant woman or her 5 year old?

I don't think you could get a felony murder charge, but the entire way the operation was run was extremely reckless. The reforms announced are a drop in the bucket as to what's needed.

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

I still don't understand how only one of the cops could get charged. While I'm sure they used forensics to identify which gun's bullets entered the other apartment they were all blasting away. So one gets charged for not being as good of a shot? What if he had killed the pregnant woman or her 5 year old?

I don't think you could get a felony murder charge, but the entire way the operation was run was extremely reckless. The reforms announced are a drop in the bucket as to what's needed.

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

so you don' think they had a legal right to return fire? Or are you saying the crime was missing their target? Regarding Taylors death, I see the tragedy. I don't see a crime. What was the crime?

ARe you saying, or are you not saying, that missing your target and hitting someone else, should put you in jail? It's against the law to miss? What law is that?

nobody is is supporting cops that make bad choices, in nearly every one of these instance it's people, not the cops, that make/made the bad choices that led to their outcomes and that 's who would/should be held accountable, you keep ignoring that part and just reflexively blame the cops

Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops :rotflmao:

wdmso, yes the boyfriend fired first ( which may have been justified if he didn’t hear them announce themselves), and he’s not the one who died. the innocent woman did.

wayne, if the cops are being shot at and they return fire, do you think they should go to jail if they accidentally shoot and kill an innocent bystander by accident?

this is policework. sometimes it’s dangerous and chaotic. it’s not an exact science, and even olympic marksman, shooting in easy circumstances, miss sometimes.

it’s a tragedy. it’s not necessarily a crime, and obviously not murder.

please answer my question - should cops go to prison if they return fire but miss? do you really believe that?
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Jim 20 rds fired indiscriminately and they killed a defenseless women you can't goto prision if you never make it to court . Its is a crime their no disputing that killing someone with your car is a crime it can be determined to be an accident

But 20 rounds randomly fired into an apartment is no accident or police Training

Jim 20 rds fired indiscriminately and they killed a defenseless women you can't goto prision if you never make it to court . Its is a crime their no disputing that killing someone with your car is a crime it can be determined to be an accident

But 20 rounds randomly fired into an apartment is no accident or police Training

and they don’t go to court, unless they’re arrested for a crime.

why can’t you guys ever answer a question? what’s the crime?

is there any chance you junk she’s be dead, if the guy with her didn’t shoot a cop? he shot a cop. he may we’ll have not known they were cops ( which means he may not have committed a crime). but if you shout a cop, a hail of gunfire is coming back your way. that's how it works. you think they should
have shot the gun out of his hand in that moment?

how many rounds are cops allowed to fire back when one of them is shot and severs an artery in his leg? is the crime that the woman died? or how many rounds they fired?
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Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops :rotflmao:

it’s not her fault. but just because someone dies in an accident, doesn’t mean someone else committed murder. do you know what an “accident” is?
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and they don’t go to court, unless they’re arrested for a crime.

why can’t you guys ever answer a question? what’s the crime?

is there any chance you junk she’s be dead, if the guy with her didn’t shoot a cop? he shot a cop. he may we’ll have not known they were cops ( which means he may not have committed a crime). but if you shout a cop, a hail of gunfire is coming back your way. that's how it works. you think they should
have shot the gun out of his hand in that moment?

how many rounds are cops allowed to fire back when one of them is shot and severs an artery in his leg? is the crime that the woman died? or how many rounds they fired?
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Here’s a simple question for you. If putting 3 rounds into an adjacent apartment could get you 15 years why would putting 6 rounds into a living innocent person be completely overlooked?
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Here’s a simple question for you. If putting 3 rounds into an adjacent apartment could get you 15 years why would putting 6 rounds into a living innocent person be completely overlooked?
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I’ll answer when you answer. which you apparently won’t, because you can’t without looking bonkers.

do you, spence, think it’s a criminal offense to return fire when shot at, and accidentally miss your target?

answer that question as i asked it, and i’ll happily answer yours.
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and they don’t go to court, unless they’re arrested for a crime.

why can’t you guys ever answer a question? what’s the crime?

is there any chance you junk she’s be dead, if the guy with her didn’t shoot a cop? he shot a cop. he may we’ll have not known they were cops ( which means he may not have committed a crime). but if you shout a cop, a hail of gunfire is coming back your way. that's how it works. you think they should
have shot the gun out of his hand in that moment?

how many rounds are cops allowed to fire back when one of them is shot and severs an artery in his leg? is the crime that the woman died? or how many rounds they fired?
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Jim the crime is killing an innocent women

How it it a crime

By firing indiscriminately beacause someone fired a shot.

So your logic if police are fired apon from a crowd of protester they are justified in firing indiscriminately into the Crowd.. with out positively IDing the shooter... see now why police need to be better retrained before discharging their weapons .. because if your off 2 inchs at 20ft wheres that round going at 300ft.
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Jim the crime is killing an innocent women

How it it a crime

By firing indiscriminately beacause someone fired a shot.

So your logic if police are fired apon from a crowd of protester they are justified in firing indiscriminately into the Crowd.. with out positively IDing the shooter... see now why police need to be better retrained before discharging their weapons .. because if you off 2 inchs at 20ft wheres that round going at 300ft.
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it’s a crime, punishable by prison, to kill an innocent person accidentally while returning fire?

fortunately, that’s not a crime.

the need for better training is a good idea. charging them with murder? bonkers.

anyway, as always, we see what happens when liberals don’t get their way.

oh hey! since you said there isn’t enough time
to look into a S.C. nominee, look at the timeline for Ginsburgs confirmation.
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Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops :rotflmao:

the police were knocking on her door that night because she'd spent years dating a violent drug dealing criminal....she made bad choices that ultimately led to this tragedy....if she had not dated a violent drug dealing criminal the police would have never been sent to her apartment...is that hard to understand?

George Floyd took a lethal dose of fentanyl that day and got in a car and headed into town and ended up fighting with police....

each of these cases are sad and unfortunate, particularly in Breonna's case.... but in each of these cases the "victims" did a lot of stuff, had a long history of behavior to get them where they ended up and I haven't seen any indication that police racism was somehow a factor...which is what all the screaming, rioting and destruction is about

Here’s a simple question for you. If putting 3 rounds into an adjacent apartment could get you 15 years why would putting 6 rounds into a living innocent person be completely overlooked?
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the cop that was charged was in the parking lot....the cops that were not charged were inside the building, one was shot both returned fire, they had cause to discharge their weapons....didn't you just tell Jim to do some research or fact check himself before posting?

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

Walker is not being charged despite shooting a police officer...again...did you do any research?

Jim 20 rds fired indiscriminately and they killed a defenseless women you can't goto prision if you never make it to court . g


Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.

so she wasn't shot in her bed...just for the record

Wayne, if you are at one end of the hall and there are two people at the other end of the hall and one is pointing a gun at you and you see the gun go off and either you or your partner is shot... are you shooting back? or waiting for the next bullet(s) to come your way to see what happens?

If they did that at my house and I didn’t hear them, they’d be dead
And claiming it’s my responsibility
Welcome to the police state
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The guy wasn't charged with shooting at the officers in this case though...

Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.

so she wasn't shot in her bed...just for the record

Wayne, if you are at one end of the hall and there are two people at the other end of the hall and one is pointing a gun at you and you see the gun go off and either you or your partner is shot... are you shooting back? or waiting for the next bullet(s) to come your way to see what happens?

he won’t answer the question as you asked.

part two of that question is this: if you do shoot and accidentally hit the wrong one, should
you go to prison?
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The guy wasn't charged with shooting at the officers in this case though...

yeah but that fact doesn’t serve his narrative, so he changed it.
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the police were knocking on her door that night because she'd spent years dating a violent drug dealing criminal....she made bad choices that ultimately led to this tragedy....if she had not dated a violent drug dealing criminal the police would have never been sent to her apartment...is that hard to understand?

George Floyd took a lethal dose of fentanyl that day and got in a car and headed into town and ended up fighting with police....

each of these cases are sad and unfortunate, particularly in Breonna's case.... but in each of these cases the "victims" did a lot of stuff, had a long history of behavior to get them where they ended up and I haven't seen any indication that police racism was somehow a factor...which is what all the screaming, rioting and destruction is about

Not only was she dating him, she was neck deep in the business. She was not an EMT anymore either, they fired her after a car she rented was found abandoned with a dead body inside. The dead body was an acquaintance of hers. She was on surveillance video entering and exiting a drug distribution house multiple times while her boyfriend was in jail. She was caught on jailhouse recordings discussing his drug business, and how she was handling it while he was in jail.

When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "They knew the risk when they took the job". When a criminal is shot by a cop, no liberals has ever said, "They knew the risk of being a criminal", What does that tell you about the liberal mentality...

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When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "They knew the risk when they took the job". When a criminal is shot by a cop, no liberals has ever said, "They knew the risk of being a criminal", What does that tell you about the liberal mentality...

everything. it tells you everything.
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When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "

cops need to be trained to use only 1 rubber bullet and to shoot the weapon out of the hand of the person firing at them :huh:

Not only was she dating him, she was neck deep in the business.
There's no evidence of this, stop getting your information from Reddit.

She was not an EMT anymore either,
Correct, she was an ER Technician who aspired to be a nurse. Clearly she had a dark heart :rollem:

they fired her after a car she rented was found abandoned with a dead body inside. The dead body was an acquaintance of hers.
Actually she rented a car, loaned it to her boyfriend at the time who loaned it to someone else. The police investigated and determined she had no knowledge of the crime.

She was on surveillance video entering and exiting a drug distribution house multiple times while her boyfriend was in jail. She was caught on jailhouse recordings discussing his drug business, and how she was handling it while he was in jail.
Actually the leaked unverified draft memo of the jailhouse recording has been characterized by the police as taken out of context.

When a cop shoots someone, to keep themselves from possibly becoming a target, and wanting to go home at the end of their tour the first response from liberals is, "They knew the risk when they took the job". When a criminal is shot by a cop, no liberals has ever said, "They knew the risk of being a criminal", What does that tell you about the liberal mentality...
When plainclothes police fire randomly and excessively at an unknown target while executing an illegal search warrant what does that tell you about the professionalism of the local PD?

Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the male was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance.

so she wasn't shot in her bed...just for the record

Wayne, if you are at one end of the hall and there are two people at the other end of the hall and one is pointing a gun at you and you see the gun go off and either you or your partner is shot... are you shooting back? or waiting for the next bullet(s) to come your way to see what happens?

Its amazing blame the victims. Police are supposedly trained so now they were down the hallway . So from their bed room they heard the word police over their door being kicked in

Enter the hall way to see wtf going on with a gun he owend legally fired on them then they blasted of 20 rds

But to you its their fault
1 for self defensive
2 blame Taylor because of her x boyfriend

But no issues with the police..

Police have the obligation to do it right
But it seem you and many others think its ok that if they created the situation and it ends badly . They have zero responsibility in the outcome

And thats the point you and others miss with out a day in court there is no accountability or justice. These aren't random events

police officer fired 13 shots, killing John Albers, 17, on 20 January 2018 in a Kansas City suburb.

Police had been called to check on the boy, who had ADHD, after his online posts prompted fears for his safety.

A month after the shooting the county prosecutor announced the officer, Clayton Jenison, would not be charged.

Its all acceptable until it happens to you or someone close untill then its all BS. Just Like covid

And wanting police to be held accountable is not being anti police .

Ps this bs police have family's to go home to excuse .. to justify killing unarmed people is pathetic .. most people have family's to go home to. And we dont use that justification for the Kid texting on his way home who killed someone in a car accident, or the guy working extra shifts who fell asleep at the wheel and crossed into the other lane... those people get charged and have their day in court and are held accountable accident or not

But police can fire indiscriminately into 2 or crowds of people

Because their actions

"justified to protect themselves and the justification bars us from pursuing criminal charges".

So all an officer needs to say is he thought i was our we were and fill in the rest of the blanks .. and hes all set..

Ps ive been shot at and guess what i didn’t order my men to unload on home or people in the area because . And i did many no knock raids on homes with men women and kids at night and never myself or my men shot anyone because we thought they had a gun and this was in Iraq but it seems to be acceptable here at home and supported by other Americans. I can figure rhat one out
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Its amazing blame the victims. Police are supposedly trained so now they were down the hallway . So from their bed room they heard the word police over their door being kicked in

Enter the hall way to see wtf going on with a gun he owend legally fired on them then they blasted of 20 rds

But to you its their fault
1 for self defensive
2 blame Taylor because of her x boyfriend

But no issues with the police..

Police have the obligation to do it right
But it seem you and many others think its ok that if they created the situation and it ends badly . They have zero responsibility in the outcome

And thats the point you and others miss with out a day in court there is no accountability or justice. These aren't random
police officer fired 13 shots, killing John Albers, 17, on 20 January 2018 in a Kansas City suburb.

Police had been called to check on the boy, who had ADHD, after his online posts prompted fears for his safety.

A month after the shooting the county prosecutor announced the officer, Clayton Jenison, would not be charged.

Its all acceptable until it happens to you or someone close untill then its all BS. Just Like covid

And wanting police to be held accountable is not being anti police .

Ps this bs police have family's to go home to excuse .. to justify killing unarmed people is pathetic .. most people have family's to go home to. And we dont use that justification for the Kid texting on his way home who killed someone in a car accident, or the guy working extra shifts who fell asleep at the wheel and crossed into the other lane... those people get charged and have their day in court and are held accountable accident or not

But police can fire indiscriminately into 2 or crowds of people

Because their actions

"justified to protect themselves and the justification bars us from pursuing criminal charges".

So all an officer needs to say is he thought i was our we were and fill in the rest of the blanks .. and hes all set..
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you keep making stuff up....I didn't say it was their fault...the whole this is unfortunate...but...the police would never have been at her apartment door that night if she'd not been dating a violent drug dealing criminal

I have an issue with the cop in the parking lot ...he was charged

not true regarding police accountability...Im glad the cop that knelt on the neck of Floyd was charged but Floyd is as much to blame for his own death as the cop


who said "anti-police"?

the rest of what you wrote is rambling

it's funny what spence does and does not know based on what is convenient for his narrative

There's no evidence of this, stop getting your information from Reddit.


Correct, she was an ER Technician who aspired to be a nurse. Clearly she had a dark heart :rollem:


Actually she rented a car, loaned it to her boyfriend at the time who loaned it to someone else. The police investigated and determined she had no knowledge of the crime.


Actually the leaked unverified draft memo of the jailhouse recording has been characterized by the police as taken out of context.


When plainclothes police fire randomly and excessively at an unknown target while executing an illegal search warrant what does that tell you about the professionalism of the local PD?

"There's no evidence of this,"

The hell there isn't! Her name was on the warrant, there were tape recorded conversation (used to justify the warrant) that she was involved.

Just keep making it up as you go along, Spence.

the cop that was charged was in the parking lot....the cops that were not charged were inside the building, one was shot both returned fire, they had cause to discharge their weapons....didn't you just tell Jim to do some research or fact check himself before posting?

To them, "research" consists of concocting a tale that best supports The Narrative. They're possessed by The Narrative, enslaved by it.

I didn't say it was their fault...


if she'd not been dating a violent drug dealing criminal




Hell i cant spell to save my life. But that reads like your blamining Her ..
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Hell i cant spell to save my life. But that reads like your blamining Her ..
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Wayne, if you run out into a busy intersection and someone runs you over...are you at all to blame?

I'm not blaming her for the entire incident...I'm saying that her actions over time caused the police to be at her door that night...what transpired is a tragedy....the police were there on orders...they didn't go out looking for someone to murder that night....her boyfriend decided to pull the trigger...the police returned fire...it's awful but that is what happens when the shooting starts...I can't blame those two cops who were there there on orders, as far as we know followed they procedure and reacted to being shot at and in fact shot....I don't blame the boyfriend for pulling the trigger, he may have believed it was the ex-boyfriend who sounds like someone to be feared...Breonna was unfortunately standing next to him when fire was returned...I don't see how the cops at the door could or should have reacted any differently, the one in the parking lot is another matter and he was charged

Some misinformation is being spread

From Radley Balko of the WaPo

Wednesday’s announcement from Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron about criminal charges in the Breonna Taylor case set off a frenzy of misinformation on social media. Based on what we do know — which I’ve culled from my own reporting, reporting from the New York Times and the Louisville Courier-Journal, as well as from conversations with the lawyers for Taylor’s family — the decision to charge Detective Brett Hankison with wanton endangerment was probably correct, as was the decision not to charge the other officers involved in the shooting. If ballistics had conclusively shown that one of the bullets from Hankison’s gun killed Taylor, he could be charged with reckless homicide, but according to Cameron, the bullets that struck Taylor could not be matched to Hankison’s gun. There’s the problem that the police who conducted the raid were relying on a warrant procured by another officer, which was then signed by a judge. There were many flaws and abrogations in that process, but it would be unfair and not legal to hold them accountable for any of that.

But “not illegal” should not mean “immune from criticism.” Part of the problem was Cameron himself, who was selective in what information he released to the point of misleading the public about key facts in the case. (This raises real questions about whether the grand jury was also misled. That’s why an attorney for Taylor’s boyfriend Kenneth Walker, who fired at the police during the raid, is demanding that Cameron release the evidence that was presented to the grand jury.)

Furthermore, Taylor’s death was not, as Cameron suggested, simply a tragedy for which no one is to blame. The police work in this case was sloppy, and the warrant service was reckless. Taylor is dead because of a cascade of errors, bad judgment and dereliction of duty. And it’s important that the record on this be clear. So here are some correctives for the misinformation I’ve seen online:

“This was not a no-knock warrant.”

It absolutely was. It says so right on the warrant. Moreover, the portion of the warrant authorizing a no-knock entry cited only cut-and-pasted information from the four other warrants that were part of the same investigation. This is a violation of a requirement set by the Supreme Court that no-knock warrants should be granted when police can present evidence that a particular suspect is a risk to shoot at police or destroy evidence if they knock and announce. They didn’t do that.

The police claim they were told after the fact to disregard the no-knock portion and instead knock and announce themselves, because, by that point, someone had determined that Taylor was a “soft target” — not a threat, and not a major player in the drug investigation. But there are problems with this account. If Taylor was a “soft target,” why not surround the house, get on a megaphone, and ask her to come out with her hands up? Why still take down her door with a battering ram? Why still serve the warrant in the middle of the night?

“The police knocked and announced themselves, and a witness heard them.”

In what was probably the most frustrating part of Cameron’s press event, he cited a single witness who claimed to have heard the officers identify themselves as police. I spoke with Taylor’s lawyers in June, who at that time had interviewed 11 of her neighbors. Many lived in the same apartment building as Taylor. According to the lawyers, no neighbor heard an announcement. The New York Times interviewed 12 neighbors. They found one — just one — who heard an announcement. And he only heard one announcement. He also told the paper that with all the commotion, it’s entirely possible that Walker and Taylor didn’t hear that announcement. Cameron neglected to mention any of this.

Moreover, in a CNN interview Wednesday night, Walker’s attorney, Steven Romines, said the witness to whom Cameron was referring initially said he did not hear the police announce themselves. And he repeated that assertion in a second interview. It was only after his third interview that he finally said he heard an announcement. That’s critical context that Cameron neglected to mention.

“Even Kenneth Walker has admitted that the police pounded on the door for 30 to 45 seconds. Therefore, by definition, this was not a ’no-knock’ raid.”

With a few exceptions, when conducting a raid, government agents must knock and announce their presence and purpose, and give anyone inside the opportunity to let the officers in peacefully — thus avoiding violence to their person and destruction of their property. If the police simply pounded on the door for 45 seconds and never appropriately announced themselves, that’s even worse than not knocking at all. It likely made Walker even more fearful that the people outside the door were there to do harm to him and Taylor.

“If the police say they announced themselves, and one neighbor heard it, then they probably did. So what if the other neighbors didn’t hear it? They were probably asleep.”

The entire purpose of the knock-and-announce requirement is to provide ample notice to the people inside the home the police are trying to enter. If the police didn’t yell loudly and clearly who they were — loud enough for the people inside to hear — the knock-and-announce portion is rendered meaningless, and the entire action becomes no different than a no-knock raid. As the Times reported, the officers on this raid were trained by a man who, oddly enough, is now president of the Louisville city council. “During his 19-year career as a police officer, he had instructed recruits at the local training academy about ‘dynamic entry.‘ Especially when executing a warrant at night,” he told the paper, “he told them to yell ‘police’ at the top of their lungs, specifically so that occupants would not mistake them for an intruder.” That clearly did not happen here.

“Breonna Taylor was not asleep in her bed when she was shot.”

This is true. And it’s also true that many media reports and activists stated she was. I’m not sure what difference this makes. She and Walker were in their bed when police began pounding on the door. They were awakened at 12:40 a.m. There’s every reason to believe Walker when he says they were frightened.

“The man who shot at the police, Breonna Taylor’s boyfriend, was also a drug dealer.”

Taylor’s ex-boyfriend was dealing drugs. That man, Jamarcus Glover, was the main focus of the police investigation. Walker, Taylor’s boyfriend at the time of her death, was not named in any investigation.

A few people have pointed to a leaked police memo that includes quotes from Glover taken from recorded phone conversations at the jail as proof that the two knew one another. The Louisville police themselves have said the leaked memo was an early, unverified draft written mid-investigation, that these quotes were taken out of context, and that the way they’re being used is deeply misleading. (For example, Glover said Walker was also in jail. He was — because police had arrested him after the raid.)

“Breonna Taylor’s ex-boyfriend implicated her in his drug dealing.”

The Times reported that according to friends, family and Taylor’s social media posts, she was on and off again with both Glover — who friends, family and Taylor herself thought was bad for her — and Walker, who they say treated her well and was, by all accounts, a good and decent man. Glover was in and out of jail, and Taylor paid his bail more than once. She seemed to genuinely care for him, even as she was trying to extricate herself from his life. (She had blocked him on her cellphone.)

There were a few other incidents in the warrant that some have said implicated Taylor. In December 2016 she rented a car, then loaned it to Glover. He then loaned it to a man involved in his drug dealing — and that man was later found dead in the car. But police who investigated were satisfied that Taylor had no knowledge of the murder, or of how Glover had used the car when she loaned it to him. The other incident occurred two months before the raid, when Glover retrieved a package he had ordered delivered to Taylor’s home. The police claimed a postal inspector told them this package was “suspicious.” The postal inspector later said he had no record of that. According to attorneys for Taylor’s family, the package contained clothes and shoes.

Some have again pointed to that leaked memo, in which Glover seemed to suggest storing money at Taylor’s apartment. But the police found no cash in the apartment. Glover has also since publicly said that Taylor had no involvement in his drug dealing. And he may have had some incentive to say otherwise: In July, attorneys for Taylor’s family say prosecutors presented Glover with a plea bargain that listed Taylor as a co-defendant, suggesting that he’d get reduced charges if he implicated her. (Prosecutors say the plea deal was just a draft, though Taylor’s family’s attorneys say that claim is dubious.)

“The judge who signed the warrant is not to blame.”

The warrant in this case was signed by Louisville Circuit Judge Mary Shaw. In an op-ed in the Courier-Journal, one of Shaw’s fellow judges defended accusations that she had “rubber-stamped” the warrant. Judge Charles L. Cunningham wrote that “affidavits are excruciatingly detailed,” said Shaw scrupulously reviews search warrant affidavits, and said the accusation from an attorney for Taylor’s family that Shaw took only 12 minutes to review the five warrants in the investigation was riddled with “falsehoods and misstatements.”

Here’s what we can say: The portion of the warrant affidavit that requested a no-knock raid was the exact same language used in the other four warrants. It stated that drug dealers are dangerous and might dispose of evidence if police knock and announce. It contained no particularized information as to why Taylor herself was dangerous or presented such a threat. And that, according to the Supreme Court, is not sufficient to grant a no-knock warrant. Yet Shaw granted it anyway. Perhaps she provided more scrutiny to the other parts of the affidavit. But she did not ask for more evidence in the no-knock portion. And she should have.

The only possible defense of Shaw here is that, as regular readers of this page know, judges seem to grant no-knocks when they aren’t merited and in defiance of Supreme Court precedent with regularity. And there’s no harm done if the no-knock position of the warrant is illegal, because the same Supreme Court has said the Exclusionary Rule doesn’t apply. And that is precisely the problem.

“If Kenneth Walker hadn’t shot at the cops, Breonna Taylor would still be alive.”

Walker admits he fired first. But he says he fired only after he and Taylor repeatedly asked who was pounding at the door, got no answer, and after a battering ram busted open the door. If Walker reasonably believed that the men breaking into the apartment were not police, he had every right to defend himself and Taylor. At that point, the police also had the right to return fire. The latter would be true even if the courts later determined that the police had failed to properly identify themselves (which would make this a no-knock raid) and the no-knock portion of the warrant was later determined to be illegal (which it was). That’s how the law works.

But there is every reason to believe Walker did not know the men outside the door were police. Walker is not a criminal. There were no drugs in the house. You don’t need a license to have a gun in a private home in Kentucky, but Walker had gone the extra step to obtain a concealed carry license. (Kentucky changed its law in 2019, and no longer requires a license for concealed carry either.) That isn’t something hardened criminals hellbent on killing cops tend to do. Neither is calling 911, which Walker also did after the shooting. Moreover, Walker knew about Taylor’s past involvement with the drug dealer Glover — and that Glover wasn’t happy about Taylor seeing Walker. He has said he feared that it was Glover or his associates outside the door. That too seems entirely reasonable.

Cameron’s statement gives the implication that Walker should have known that the men were police. But if police and prosecutors truly believed Walker knew, or should have known, that the raiding men were police, they would have prosecuted Walker for knowingly trying to kill them. Police and prosecutors don’t take that sort of thing lightly. They did arrest him for firing at the officers. But they later dropped those charges and released him. That speaks volumes.

The really sad part about this is that Cameron’s misleading statement about the witness who heard police announce — along with the fact the Walker fired first — has led some to put the blame for Taylor’s death on Walker. What Walker did that night is what just about anyone would have done if they thought they or their loved ones were under attack. Walker and Taylor were in love. They had been discussing marriage. He was defending a woman he wanted to marry, and with whom he wanted to raise a family. To put her death on him only adds to his pain and grief. It’s just incredibly cruel.

“This is just an all-around tragedy. We shouldn’t focus on who to blame, whether its police, prosecutors, Walker or Taylor.”

The most serious questions here concern the investigation itself, and why these officers were asked to serve a warrant on Taylor’s home in the first place. There’s the lie about the postal inspector. There is the fact that despite the surveillance on Taylor’s home, the police didn’t know there was another person inside. There are the police bullets that were inadvertently fired into surrounding apartments. There’s the cut-and-paste language used to secure the no-knock portion of the warrant. There’s also the fact that the officer who procured the warrant was not part of the raid team. There’s the fact that five officers involved in the Taylor raid were involved in another violent, botched raid on an innocent family in 2018.

And there’s the 2015 study by criminologist Bryan Patrick Schaefer, who was allowed to embed himself with the Louisville police department. As Schaffer wrote, “Of the 73 search warrant entries observed, every entry involved using a ram to break the door down. Further, the detectives announce their presence and purpose in conjunction with the first hit on the door. A detective explained, ‘As long as we announce our presence, we are good. We don’t want to give them any time to destroy evidence or grab a weapon, so we go fast and get through the door quick.‘”

Schaefer added that in the raids he observed, the difference between how police served a no-knock warrant and a knock-and-announce warrant was “minimal in practice.”

Schaeffer also found that for warrant service, Louisville police fill out a “risk matrix” to determine whether to bring in a SWAT team. A case has to meet a minimum score before determining whether SWAT will be used. The other raids done in conjunction with the Glover investigation did use SWAT, which also means police ensure there are ambulances and medical personnel nearby. I happen to think SWAT teams are overutilized. But if you are going to break into someone’s house, a well-trained, full-time SWAT team is far preferable to a bunch of cops in street clothes kicking down a door.

The irony here is that Taylor was not deemed threatening enough to merit a SWAT team. Instead, she was subjected to all of the most dangerous aspects of a SWAT raid, undertaken by officers in street clothes. There were no medics nearby. In fact, an ambulance on standby was told to leave the scene an hour before the raid. After she was shot, Taylor lie in her house for 20 minutes before receiving any medical attention.

And there are more questions:

— Why serve a warrant in the middle of the night on a witness tangential to an investigation?

— Why did the police alter the times on their reports?

— The most recent activity involving Taylor on the search warrants was in January. Why wait until March to serve the warrant on her apartment?

— Why didn’t police do any further investigation to better establish how involved in the drug conspiracy Taylor really was?

To simply blow this off as a tragedy for which no one is to blame is an insult to the life and legacy of Taylor, but also to the dozens of innocent people who have been gunned down in their own homes before her. And the effort by Cameron and others to make all of this go away by feeding the public half-truths that blame the victims in this story — Taylor and Walker — for Taylor’s death is inexcusable.

We could prevent the next Breonna Taylor. We could ban forced entry raids to serve drug warrants. We could hold judges accountable for signing warrants that don’t pass constitutional muster. We could demand that police officers wear body cameras during these raids to hold them accountable, and that they be adequately punished when they fail to activate them. We could do a lot to make sure there are no more Breonna Taylors. The question is whether we want to.

Nobody is supporting cops that make bad choices.. yet you suggest

It Taylor's fault for. Being shot 5 times... ?

Your as bad a Jim defending cops who unloded 20 rounds in to a house killing the only person with out a gun or a criminal record .. then try to suggest your not supporting bad cops :rotflmao:

The training dictates that you shoot until the threat is stopped..

There's no evidence of this, stop getting your information from Reddit.


Correct, she was an ER Technician who aspired to be a nurse. Clearly she had a dark heart :rollem:


Actually she rented a car, loaned it to her boyfriend at the time who loaned it to someone else. The police investigated and determined she had no knowledge of the crime.


Actually the leaked unverified draft memo of the jailhouse recording has been characterized by the police as taken out of context.


When plainclothes police fire randomly and excessively at an unknown target while executing an illegal search warrant what does that tell you about the professionalism of the local PD?

Show me where it was proven that the search warrant was illegal...

They have her on video at a drug den multiple times outside of the jail house interview..

Have you ever been in a shootout, or had a gun pointed at you? Have you ever taken any defensive training at all?

Is there body cam footage of any of this?
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Have you ever taken any defensive training at all?

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After hearing the leftist complaints against the police supposed mishandling and malfeasance in this case, it amazes me how they don't have the same kind of reaction to how the FBI handled the Flynn case.

getting closely involved with armed drug dealers, isn’t something that generally increases life expectancy. not a great idea. but what happened, could
happen to anybody.
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Is there body cam footage of any of this?
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of what? he guy who was there concedes he shot first. he says he didn’t hear them
announce themselves.
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now that's glorious.
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of what? he guy who was there concedes he shot first. he says he didn’t hear them
announce themselves.
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1. Prove that they actually announced themselves 1X let along repeatedly
2. See Pete's post below. If that is true, the body cam should prove they announced as police before knocking the door in. If they did, case closed.

I also agree once it started, the police reacted as they are trained. One of the questions to ask, should they have been there in that form and way at all. It seems like the evidence was pretty muddled for that style of raid/arrest/search.

From Pete's post:
Walker admits he fired first. But he says he fired only after he and Taylor repeatedly asked who was pounding at the door, got no answer, and after a battering ram busted open the door. If Walker reasonably believed that the men breaking into the apartment were not police, he had every right to defend himself and Taylor. At that point, the police also had the right to return fire. The latter would be true even if the courts later determined that the police had failed to properly identify themselves (which would make this a no-knock raid) and the no-knock portion of the warrant was later determined to be illegal (which it was). That’s how the law works.

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:bshake::bshake::bshake:

To be fair I did fight full contact martial arts for several years back in the day.

The latter would be true even if the courts later determined that the police had failed to properly identify themselves (which would make this a no-knock raid) and the no-knock portion of the warrant was later determined to be illegal (which it was). That’s how the law works.
The degree to which the police botched this is pretty crazy and then trying to cover it up is depraved.

The Supreme Court ruled decades ago that if you're going to forcibly enter someone's castle to serve a drug warrant you must give specific direct evidence on the person named in the warrant. You can't just say, well it's a drug related case so let's do whatever we want. Guilt by association isn't good enough.

:bshake::bshake::bshake:

To be fair I did fight full contact martial arts for several years back in the day.

is there body cam footage of any of this???

I think you previously claimed you were a golden gloves boxer or something...now you were Bruce Lee :biglaugh:

The degree to which the police botched this is pretty crazy .



yeah...you keep saying this

After hearing the leftist complaints against the police supposed mishandling and malfeasance in this case, it amazes me how they don't have the same kind of reaction to how the FBI handled the Flynn case.


right?

they were thrilled when a SWAT team took down two disabled geriatrics in their pajamas

getting closely involved with armed drug dealers, isn’t something that generally increases life expectancy.

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right?

1. Prove that they actually announced themselves 1X let along repeatedly
2. See Pete's post below. If that is true, the body cam should prove they announced as police before knocking the door in. If they did, case closed.

.

you know all the evidence has been heard by a grand jury...right?

is there body cam footage of any of this???

I think you previously claimed you were a golden gloves boxer or something...now you were Bruce Lee :biglaugh:
No footage. Only did a little boxing training, never competed.

you know all the evidence has been heard by a grand jury...right?

Has it? Do we know if there is cam footage or was it ‘turned off’? We the knock/announcement a ‘cough cough whisper police cough cough’ before the battering ram or what?

If it went down as reported I have little issue with then shooting back after the boyfriend fired first.

I have questions as to why they were there in the first place and what they did to get there. It seems sloppy at best.
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I have questions as to why they were there in the first place and what they did to get there. It seems sloppy at best.
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they raided several locations that night...

"On the night police executed the warrant at Ms. Taylor’s apartment, they searched other locations associated with Glover’s drug operation. The Times recounts that police “found a table covered in drugs packaged for sale, including a plastic sachet containing cocaine and fentanyl.”

they raided several locations that night...

"On the night police executed the warrant at Ms. Taylor’s apartment, they searched other locations associated with Glover’s drug operation. The Times recounts that police “found a table covered in drugs packaged for sale, including a plastic sachet containing cocaine and fentanyl.”

Awesome. Get that #^&#^&#^&#^& off the street.

Based on a lot of the reporting I read the Taylor house was a stretch at best for a raid...

I think you can ask reasonable questions about this case without judging the actions once lead was flying and training kicked (except parking lot guy).
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1. Prove that they actually announced themselves 1X let along repeatedly
2. See Pete's post below. If that is true, the body cam should prove they announced as police before knocking the door in. If they did, case closed.

I also agree once it started, the police reacted as they are trained. One of the questions to ask, should they have been there in that form and way at all. It seems like the evidence was pretty muddled for that style of raid/arrest/search.

From Pete's post:
Walker admits he fired first. But he says he fired only after he and Taylor repeatedly asked who was pounding at the door, got no answer, and after a battering ram busted open the door. If Walker reasonably believed that the men breaking into the apartment were not police, he had every right to defend himself and Taylor. At that point, the police also had the right to return fire. The latter would be true even if the courts later determined that the police had failed to properly identify themselves (which would make this a no-knock raid) and the no-knock portion of the warrant was later determined to be illegal (which it was). That’s how the law works.

a neighbor said he heard them. and the cops said they did.

it’s not case closed if they did. he still might not have heard them. it’s not always a good idea for them
to announce themselves, sometimes surprise is a good idea.

bry, occasionally horrible things will
happen. that’s what happens. it’s not always a crime. certainly not in the case of her death.

yes i’ll
believe the washington post,m

i have zero issue with re examining he process. but bryan, do you think that if a cop is shot, he returns fire but hits someone accidentally, should he go to prison? it’s a crime to miss? that’s what almost everyone on the left wants. it’s bonkers.
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a neighbor said he heard them. and the cops said they did.

it’s not case closed if they did. he still might not have heard them. it’s not always a good idea for them
to announce themselves, sometimes surprise is a good idea.

bry, occasionally horrible things will
happen. that’s what happens. it’s not always a crime. certainly not in the case of her death.

yes i’ll
believe the washington post,m

i have zero issue with re examining he process. but bryan, do you think that if a cop is shot, he returns fire but hits someone accidentally, should he go to prison? it’s a crime to miss? that’s what almost everyone on the left wants. it’s bonkers.
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Not if the shooting was justified. No. Again read my posts and don’t try and assume a position Jim.
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Not if the shooting was justified. No. Again read my posts and don’t try and assume a position Jim.
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i didn’t assume, that’s why i asked. id have bet $$ that you’d be the one
liberal here sane enough to say that.
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a neighbor said he heard them. and the cops said they did.
Wait, these cops???

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-police-breonna-taylor-death-incident-report/

And it was like one neighbor out of 13 interviewed. And the one that did say he heard them say police didn't recall that until they were asked a third time I remember reading.

i have zero issue with re examining he process. but bryan, do you think that if a cop is shot, he returns fire but hits someone accidentally, should he go to prison? it’s a crime to miss? that’s what almost everyone on the left wants. it’s bonkers.
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It depends on the situation, but I think most people want not automatic prison but rather to go to a public trial where the process isn't secret. We have no idea what information was presented to the grand jury on Breonna Taylor's behalf...per rockboy's point. I don't think there's a felony murder case here, but the whole thing was so botched it seems like other's need to be held to account other than the taxpayer having to front 12m. Remember they tried to sweep everything under the rug.

Wait, these cops???

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-police-breonna-taylor-death-incident-report/

And it was like one neighbor out of 13 interviewed. And the one that did say he heard them say police didn't recall that until they were asked a third time I remember reading.

yes these cops. versus people very likely involved with drugs. you’re taking the druggies word. shocker. good
luck with that.

the neighbor is also lying?

the guy in the apartment has a very self serving reason to claim he never heard them.
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It depends on the situation, but I think most people want not automatic prison but rather to go to a public trial where the process isn't secret. We have no idea what information was presented to the grand jury on Breonna Taylor's behalf...per rockboy's point. I don't think there's a felony murder case here, but the whole thing was so botched it seems like other's need to be held to account other than the taxpayer having to front 12m. Remember they tried to sweep everything under the rug.

a trial requires an
arrest, which requires a criminal act taking place.

this might be news to liberal snowflakes, but nowhere in the criminal code does it say that the requirements to charge someone with a crime can be set aside if liberal whiners feel sufficiently entitled to a trial. that’s not the standard.

what you and you stupid fascist ilk want, doesn’t matter, nor does it matter how much you feel
entitled to it.

very big of your that you’re willing to not just execute the cop in the spot, that you will allow a trail.

the grand jury said no thanks.

so did the black AG. and we saw how he was treated by the left, because they like blacks so much. at least, they like the ones who don’t stray off the plantation. he was called
an uncle tom and worse, and the people who called him that, never stop seeing racism
on my side, but don’t see it when it’s dripping out of their own mouths.
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a trial requires an
arrest, which requires a criminal act taking place.

this might be news to liberal snowflakes, but nowhere in the criminal code does it say that the requirements to charge someone with a crime can be set aside if liberal whiners feel sufficiently entitled to a trial. that’s not the standard.

what you and you stupid fascist ilk want, doesn’t matter, nor does it matter how much you feel
entitled to it.

very big of your that you’re willing to not just execute the cop in the spot, that you will allow a trail.

the grand jury said no thanks.

so did the black AG. and we saw how he was treated by the left, because they like blacks so much. at least, they like the ones who don’t stray off the plantation. he was called
an uncle tom and worse, and the people who called him that, never stop seeing racism
on my side, but don’t see it when it’s dripping out of their own mouths.
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The police had a right of self defense against Walker but not against Taylor. The AG got the law wrong in his press conference which makes it more likely the grand jury could have been misled.
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The training dictates that you shoot until the threat is stopped..

No it dosen't not sure what kind of training you've had
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No it dosen't not sure what kind of training you've had
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I think he's correct in that you shoot until the threat is neutralized, the problem here is that they didn't appear to know what they were shooting at. You're in an apartment complex and a .40 is perfectly capable of going through a wall and killing somebody, not to mention 32 of them. This is the kind of behavior I'd maybe expect trying to apprehend a violent drug kingpin, not a 26 year old ER technician with no criminal record. Extremely reckless.

Extremely reckless.

when you are shot at and hit...shooting back is hardly reckless...I'm sure you would have done kung fu to take them both out before they knew what happened to them...probably with a vulcan neck pinch

Remarkable new motion by grand juror in Breonna Taylor case calls for disclosure of grand jury records. Grand juror says KY AG is using grand jury as "shield" & public should know the "full story and absolute truth of how this matter was handled."
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Remarkable new motion by grand juror in Breonna Taylor case calls for disclosure of grand jury records. Grand juror says KY AG is using grand jury as "shield" & public should know the "full story and absolute truth of how this matter was handled."
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Very, very remarkable. You can hardly wait.