From the failing NY Times.

“Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.

He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years”

I paid the IRS more than a so called billionaire ... amazing.

He is a con, a grifter and criminal, but the senate is all in and hopefully it bites them at the polls.

a cockwomble.....

I prefer the Urban Dictionary definition; a completely useless person that spouts constant bullsh#t

A good description
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You can read Trump's tax returns two ways: either Donald Trump is the greatest tax cheat in US history - or he is a financial desperado hopelessly in debt to God knows who & needs every dollar he scams from Secret Service golf car rentals just to pay the electricity bill
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I think it’s a little of both Pete. Don’s up chits creek with a turd for a paddle.
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You can read Trump's tax returns two ways: either Donald Trump is the greatest tax cheat in US history - or he is a financial desperado hopelessly in debt to God knows who & needs every dollar he scams from Secret Service golf car rentals just to pay the electricity bill
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which of his tax returns have you read? i remember when half-beast rachael maddow said she had the goods on him with his tax returns. as i recall, she made an idiot of herself.
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Don’t worry it’s all coming apart
BREAKING: Former Trump campaign manager, Brad Parscale, armed, barricades self in Fort Lauderdale home, police called
Remember, Everything Trump touches dies
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A little RBG effect, It says right in the prayerbook that Yom Kippur is the day that God smites deceivers, wrongdoers, and criminals.
Sometimes he hits a trifecta!
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which of his tax returns have you read? i remember when half-beast rachael maddow said she had the goods on him with his tax returns. as i recall, she made an idiot of herself.
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Maddow isn’t The NY Times.
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Trumplicans are so quiet about his tax returns you can hear a poll drop.
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As we think through the implications of Trump’s tax returns, remember:

Trump got the US Department of Justice to tell the Supreme Court that his financial records wouldn’t be of much interest to a congressional committee investigating Trump’s susceptibility to foreign influence.
But he had 73M in foreign income, his first two years in office.
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Funny Fox is already going to bat for him and running interference

'The Next Revolution' Steve Hilton's called it an Attempted take down by elites or something like that ..

seen other saying what about him not getting paid LOL


its very easy all Trump has to do is provide his tax returns

And in the SPY world and espionage owing lots of Money is what they look for to turn an Assets

And to get a security clearance in the Government or Military or as a contractor .. if your in debt you an't getting one and to be in debt in the billions and have one OMG

Remember when Jim was telling us how happy we should be with Trump for our Tax Break ... I am sure now Trumps even a bigger Hero for paying Zero taxes ... :kewl:

If Tweety says the New York Times article regarding his tax returns is "fake news" it's time for him to step up and prove them wrong.
Pretty easy to just release his taxes and what’s the downside?

Otherwise, Americans need to assume the Times is correct and even illegal immigrants paid more than him.
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Don’t worry it’s all coming apart
BREAKING: Former Trump campaign manager, Brad Parscale, armed, barricades self in Fort Lauderdale home, police called
Remember, Everything Trump touches dies
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I thought this was a joke at first. Looks like they had to take him to the hospital on suicide watch. Wow.
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And to get a security clearance in the Government or Military or as a contractor .. if your in debt you an't getting one


you may want fact check this one.

Pretty sure plenty of people who carry clearances carry debt, you know, mortgages, car payments, a couple of credit cards.
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you may want fact check this one.

Pretty sure plenty of people who carry clearances carry debt, you know, mortgages, car payments, a couple of credit cards.
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I think he means excessive debt.

Like say you owe hundreds of millions of dollars to, say, I don’t know, Russian oligarchs maybe, it would make you a prime target for extortion. But that’s just one example, there could be others.
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Trumplicans are so quiet about his tax returns you can hear a poll drop.
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i’m not being quiet. you mentioned reading his tax returns. which have you read? you’re dodging for some
inexplicable reason.
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i’m not being quiet. you mentioned reading his tax returns. which have you read? you’re dodging for some
inexplicable reason.
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He’s not the one dodging...
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He’s not the one dodging...
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the hell he isn’t. he said that reading trumps returns leads one to think he broke the law. but he hasn’t read a return, so he has zero basis to say that.
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He’s not the one dodging...
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if we can show he cheated on taxes, he should
be removed from
office. i don’t know how else to say it, and i can’t believe you’d call that dodging.

but forgive me if i’m not willing to take the word of the NYT. because again, i’m old enough to remember when rachael maddow said she had the smoking gun of tax returns, and it showed that he paid millions.
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If I were Deutsche Bank executives who gave loans to Trump when no one else would, Including Anthony Kennedy’s son, I would be very, very nervous right now.
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I truly hope after he looses, he gets some jail time, at least that cuts down on the tax payers security bill for this past POS.

So if a former President goes to jail, will he still get Secret Service protection?
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$73000 in write offs for hair maintenance 🤡
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$73000 in write offs for hair maintenance 🤡
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Can you imagine the uproar if this was Obama or Clinton?
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you may want fact check this one.

Pretty sure plenty of people who carry clearances carry debt, you know, mortgages, car payments, a couple of credit cards.
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Your correct but were not talking normal debt mortgages, car payments, a couple of credit cards. Are we but you knew that

But Trump s
$421 million in loans he is personally responsible for, loans which are coming due within the next four years.

Let this sink in
a single adult would only need to make $17,900” to pay $750 in federal tax

In 2016, Trump paid $129,250 more to Stormy Daniels than to the USA government.;


This sums up his supporters well

No matter what Trump does, no matter what journalists go on revealing, he has, for the “base,” delivered on his promise to upend “the system” and inflame the élites. Some supporters believe that he has lowered their taxes (he hasn’t), defanged North Korea (he hasn’t), and ironed out the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (he hasn’t). For the Republican leadership, Trump remains tolerable because he appoints right-wing judges and cossets corporate interests.
:faga:

the hell he isn’t. he said that reading trumps returns leads one to think he broke the law. but he hasn’t read a return, so he has zero basis to say that.
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Didn't take jim long to saying that he was only playing by the rules of the game

I think he means excessive debt.


Then he needs to say that, doesn't he :huh:
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Your correct but were not talking normal debt mortgages, car payments, a couple of credit cards. Are we but you knew that :

Until you can manage to string together 2-3 lucid posts in a row, I don't take for granted anything that comes out of your keyboard. :rolleyes:
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has anyone in there life times seen so many people with books all telling the same narrtive of Trump. And news story after news stories exposing similar behaviors form Trump.

yet when presented with this mountain of information The Trump supporter and Trump himself sees it has Fake news or a coup to remove him from office
Yet they believe QAnon is legitimate . Or Trumps a business genius but its looking like the Trump brand is a giant ponzi scheme and many Americans and the government is playing and paying right along

Until you can manage to string together 2-3 lucid posts in a row, I don't take for granted anything that comes out of you keyboard. :rolleyes:
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What a trump inspired response.

What a trump inspired response.

Yes, he's my inspiration. :rolleyes:
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“The tax returns also suggest that Trump’s desperation to stay in office is sparked by the 1973 Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel memo saying a sitting president cannot be indicted. Former inspector general of the Department of Justice Michael Bromwich tweeted “Trump knew something we didn't when he started balking at the peaceful transfer of power. If he loses the election, he faces federal and state prosecution for bank fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, and mail fraud, as does his entire family. No OLC memo will spare him.”

Heather Cox Richardson
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Lock him up....
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Trumplicans are so quiet about his tax returns you can hear a poll drop.
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What's there to say? It's between him and the IRS.

What's there to say? It's between him and the IRS.
Said a true Trumpet, it also might have a lot to do with criminal activity and I think the majority of tax paying Americans might have an interest as it reflects on his credibility and honesty (hard to even type that as it is foreign to DJT). Follow the money might also might explain his protection of Putin and don’t break out the blue I already know hoe you stand on probably everything. Deny and deflect will be Trumps response to this.
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What's there to say? It's between him and the IRS.

Good try, I think the long con is about over. I can see the allure for Donald Trump of living in a rent free house. But I’m not sure what his landlords think of the arrangement.

We will know soon enough, since it's 35 days till voters get to decide if they want the federal government to look like a Trump business that is struggling for direction under the impulses of an unhinged CEO, deeply in debt, high manager turnover rate, low morale, countless lawsuits over questionable practices, and sinking brand reputation.

You just keep believing and while you are at it you can explain how Trump can repay $1.1B in debt while he's in the exact sectors of the economy that are getting creamed by the pandemic: real estate, travel, leisure. He's getting squeezed on his ability to make $, he's gorged on debt...He has never sold anything in his life even when it was hemorrhaging cash.

How much taxpayer money has Trump been siphoning off to keep afloat? How many secrets has Trump sold to our adversaries? How many secrets will he sell and deals will he make to keep his empire of fraud going? He is a national security danger even after he’s removed from office.

Said a true Trumpet, it also might have a lot to do with criminal activity and I think the majority of tax paying Americans might have an interest as it reflects on his credibility and honesty (hard to even type that as it is foreign to DJT). Follow the money might also might explain his protection of Putin and don’t break out the blue I already know hoe you stand on probably everything. Deny and deflect will be Trumps response to this.


"Might have" is not a notion that persuades me of anything. If the IRS finds errors or fraud in Trump's returns, that would be more persuasive than any "might have." What is not a "might have" is Trump's four years in office. I prefer his presidency to any Clinton or Obama, or thoroughly Progressive administration. I understand you disagree with me. I don't care. And I'm not interested in any "might haves" re Trump's taxes, nor in how much he paid.

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or it might mean that's all he owed because he had a loss to offset his income.

If he cheated, that's one thing. If he paid what the law said he owed, big whoop.

If the NYT story is "fake news," Trump can prove it by releasing just one page of his 2016 and '17 returns, that critical last page of Form 1040 that includes his signature and total tax paid.

One page, & he could thoroughly humiliate the media. He won't, and we all know why.
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“The tax returns also suggest that Trump’s desperation to stay in office is sparked by the 1973 Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel memo saying a sitting president cannot be indicted. Former inspector general of the Department of Justice Michael Bromwich tweeted “Trump knew something we didn't when he started balking at the peaceful transfer of power. If he loses the election, he faces federal and state prosecution for bank fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, and mail fraud, as does his entire family. No OLC memo will spare him.”

Heather Cox Richardson
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:agree:

or it might mean that's all he owed because he had a loss to offset his income.

If he cheated, that's one thing. If he paid what the law said he owed, big whoop.

Classic response :faga:

Classic response :faga:

wayne, knowing what he paid, doesn’t suggest a crime.

do you understand it’s possible to
follow the law to the letter, and pay no federal income tax?

you can pay $0 and follow the law, you can pay $10 million and be a tax cheat. it’s what you pay, relative to what you owe.

is that going too fast for you? show us he owes more, and i’ll be the first to say he should
go. i don’t like the guy.
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Meanwhile
Parscale being under investigation by the FEC for $170 mill in money laundering, combined with this Channel 4 news story showing that Trump's campaign has had a database on every American of voting age since 2016 that categorized Black Americans as "Deterrence," explains a lot about Parscale’s meltdown
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Meanwhile
Parscale being under investigation by the FEC for $170 mill in money laundering, combined with this Channel 4 news story showing that Trump's campaign has had a database on every American of voting age since 2016 that categorized Black Americans as "Deterrence," explains a lot about Parscale’s meltdown
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Meanwhile
Since you've been barred from starting threads, you manage to sneak around the ban by inserting your would be thread into other threads. Sort of living off of and milking the life out of the host. You're a sort of thread virus.

$70 grand in haircuts. What a sucker! He should get a free bowl of soup with that haircut.
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What I’ve been saying since Trump came down the escalator is proving to be true.
Tell us again how he’s a great businessman and everyone is picking on him.

Has it occurred to anyone, that once he is out of office, Trump tries to pay off his massive debts by selling US secrets to our foreign adversaries? Has he been doing that already???

Trump tried to stage the G7 and British Open at his resorts. Both schemes blew up in his face, raising the issue of why someone as rich as he claims to be would engage in such blatant profiteering.

Now we know the answer.
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What I’ve been saying since Trump came down the escalator is proving to be true.
Tell us again how he’s a great businessman and everyone is picking on him.

Has it occurred to anyone, that once he is out of office, Trump tries to pay off his massive debts by selling US secrets to our foreign adversaries? Has he been doing that already???

Trump tried to stage the G7 and British Open at his resorts. Both schemes blew up in his face, raising the issue of why someone as rich as he claims to be would engage in such blatant profiteering.

Now we know the answer.
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A whole lot of extreme, outlandish, even hateful stuff occurs to you. So far, a lot, if not most of it, remains in the maybe, purely conjectural, quite possibly doubtful, stage. A lot of it has been debunked.

If the NYT story is "fake news," Trump can prove it by releasing just one page of his 2016 and '17 returns, that critical last page of Form 1040 that includes his signature and total tax paid.

One page, & he could thoroughly humiliate the media. He won't, and we all know why.
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Explain why he won’t, he claims he’ll release a “statement” but not a legal document
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wayne, knowing what he paid, doesn’t suggest a crime.

do you understand it’s possible to
follow the law to the letter, and pay no federal income tax?

you can pay $0 and follow the law, you can pay $10 million and be a tax cheat. it’s what you pay, relative to what you owe.

is that going too fast for you? show us he owes more, and i’ll be the first to say he should
go. i don’t like the guy.
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excuses after excuses seem you've complained a-lot about those who you say pay no taxes , like the elderly or students who get all their taxes in a refund ,,, but you champion Trump for paying no taxes what happen to draining the swamp ...

These are the reason their is a swamp because its good for rich people to game the system ,bad for regular Americans .

again your lack of ethics and no demand for general fairness speaks volumes about your views

if he didn't do anything illegal I am good with it you say ... but you have no wiliness to have it investigated or demand he provides his tax returns
again using he"s not required by Law .. BS

Trump is the Swamp its about time you accept it

Explain why he won’t, he claims he’ll release a “statement” but not a legal document
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NYT won't release who illegally shared the alleged Trump tax info. Why should we trust criminals or a news agency which feeds off of these anonymous criminals? Especially since a lot of the info in the history of this news org. proved to be false or misleading (especially in the past 4 years)? And a news agency that is blatantly political? A news agency that downplays or ignores info that contradicts its political narratives? A news agency of which a NY Post columnist recently said

"The mission is obvious: The Times aims to elect left-wing Democrats to virtually every office in the land and transform America culturally, educationally and politically. As such, it operates as the chief cheerleader for the left, and one result is that many of its readers buy it because they agree with its politics. Specifically, they like the Times because they believe the paper hates President Trump as much as it does."

The NYT probably had this illegally disseminated info for a while but strategically held it for an occasion such as just before the first debate. And to add to all its other "bombshells" in time to persuade the newly legitimized early voters to cast their votes before the possible Durham and DOJ bombshells which will probably show the dirty FBI mission to illegally remove Trump.

It doesn't matter that this new "bombshell" doesn't reveal criminal activity. It only matters that it may influence votes against Trump. Especially, again, influence early voters before any more Durham material comes out.

That’s a whole bunch of conjecture with zero facts
The NYTs reporting matches the documents they received from legal sources to publicly available documents.
And claiming that it’s patently false because a rightwing rag with hardly a sterling reputation says so is status quo for you.
As far as Durham goes, active investigations don’t have reports.
Prosecutors don’t write reports.
Durham isn’t writing a report.
He has to get indictments through grand juries....or plea deals.
It took Durham 10 months to get a plea deal on Clinesmith, after his lawyer asked for the deal. Gift wrapped.
So take a deep breath
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At least the orange jumpsuit they have waiting for him will match his fake spray on tan.
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or it might mean that's all he owed because he had a loss to offset his income.

If he cheated, that's one thing. If he paid what the law said he owed, big whoop.

Big whoop really? So Trump personally is on the hook soon for what many say is closer to over a billion and his businesses are tanking just like everyone else in that sector, he is a national security risk! Foreign governments are watching this reporting and making notes, DJT is now a target and mark. He would be the PERFECT asset for one of our long time enemies.

The threat to our security doesn’t go away if he isn’t elected, in fact it probably grows short term as now he would be willing to sell what he knows to the highest bidder, if you don’t think this is serious your head is either stuck in the sand or up your own arse.

Big whoop really? So Trump personally is on the hook soon for what many say is closer to over a billion and his businesses are tanking just like everyone else in that sector, he is a national security risk! Foreign governments are watching this reporting and making notes, DJT is now a target and mark. He would be the PERFECT asset for one of our long time enemies.

The threat to our security doesn’t go away if he isn’t elected, in fact it probably grows short term as now he would be willing to sell what he knows to the highest bidder, if you don’t think this is serious your head is either stuck in the sand or up your own arse.

here’s what’s a big whoop. if he took legal tax deductions which got his tax liability down to $150, it’s no big whoop if he paid $150.

you cannot conclude someone cheated based on what they paid. only if what they paid is less than what they owed. if he cheated, kick him out and arrest him. but knowing he paid $150, tells us nothing.
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here’s what’s a big whoop. if he took legal tax deductions which got his tax liability down to $150, it’s no big whoop if he paid $150.

you cannot conclude someone cheated based on what they paid. only if what they paid is less than what they owed. if he cheated, kick him out and arrest him. but knowing he paid $150, tells us nothing.
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You missed the point of Bob’s post you quoted.... The owed liability is the main concern. The $750 is a sign of the overall #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up tax code
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here’s what’s a big whoop. if he took legal tax deductions which got his tax liability down to $150, it’s no big whoop if he paid $150.

you cannot conclude someone cheated based on what they paid. only if what they paid is less than what they owed. if he cheated, kick him out and arrest him. but knowing he paid $150, tells us nothing.
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Are you not reading or just ignoring my point, a president with millions if not a billion in personal debt coming due, might (he probably already has) make global political decisions to help himself financially in the future and clearly he would be the absolute perfect target for any foreign government to secure as an asset, that amount of debt is a leverage gold mine.

Are you not reading or just ignoring my point, a president with millions if not a billion in personal debt coming due, might (he probably already has) make global political decisions to help himself financially in the future and clearly he would be the absolute perfect target for any foreign government to secure as an asset, that amount of debt is a leverage gold mine.
Dude, he already is, foreign governments don't even have to extort him, it's self service.

Are you not reading or just ignoring my point, a president with millions if not a billion in personal debt coming due, might (he probably already has) make global political decisions to help himself financially in the future and clearly he would be the absolute perfect target for any foreign government to secure as an asset, that amount of debt is a leverage gold mine.

sure, he might. and biden might get a scam phone call targeting demented seniors, and hand over the US Mint. you want to impeach him for something he might do?
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That’s a whole bunch of conjecture with zero facts

It's a fact that the NYT did not reveal the source of their info

The NYTs reporting matches the documents they received from legal sources to publicly available documents.

We don't know that the "sources" were legal. The Times won't give us the "sources." And if they were legal, we don't know if their giving the info to the Times was legal. You want Trump to reveal his taxes to prove he did nothing illegal or unethical, but you're OK with the NYT not proving that they obtained their info legally by revealing the source.

And only portions of the documents match public available documents. But so what? No illegality was uncovered. Nor was any tax fraud proven. Just some supposedly distasteful stuff to try to make Trump look like a cheat.

This anonymous sources bit has been a pattern in trying to get Trump. It, rightly, creates suspicion and distrust. Especially with an agency that is so blatantly political as the NYT.

And claiming that it’s patently false because a rightwing rag with hardly a sterling reputation says so is status quo for you.

I didn't say it was patently false. There you go putting words in my mouth. I quoted a "rag," as you put it, characterizing another rag, the NYT to demonstrate that distrust of the NYT is not an aberration. A lot of people don't trust that rag.

As far as Durham goes, active investigations don’t have reports.
Prosecutors don’t write reports.
Durham isn’t writing a report.
He has to get indictments through grand juries....or plea deals.
It took Durham 10 months to get a plea deal on Clinesmith, after his lawyer asked for the deal. Gift wrapped.
So take a deep breath
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I didn't say there were reports. I said "the possible Durham and DOJ bombshells which will probably show the dirty FBI mission to illegally remove Trump." Any DOJ or Durham or Senate investigation findings or indictments will be made public. And it would be beneficial for the Dems and for Anti-Trump rags to disseminate as much innuendo, if not proven fact, as possible before the election and especially to influence early votes to be cast on the basis of anti-Trump "bombshells" before any info that is anti-Biden or pro-Trump is revealed by any ongoing investigation and so will be too late to change those votes already cast. I wouldn't be surprised if that were one of the motives to make massive or universal early voting available.

Wow Jim it’s hard to respond to such intelligent and thoughtful a response, if Trump were a Russian oligarch with that amount of debt coming due, the CIA would be all over him like flies on dog crap. You keep believing, it’s what makes me feel sorry for you to be duped by this con man.

sure, he might. and biden might get a scam phone call targeting demented seniors, and hand over the US Mint. you want to impeach him for something he might do?
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Impeach, no. Not re-elect he’ll yes.
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Impeach, no. Not re-elect he’ll yes.
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If you re-elect your tax dollars will go to hair care.

Wow Jim it’s hard to respond to such intelligent and thoughtful a response, if Trump were a Russian oligarch with that amount of debt coming due, the CIA would be all over him

is he a russian oligarch??

every single poll has biden ahead. you don’t all need to go bonkers now.

i thought trumps MO was to just declare bankruptcy and screw his creditors, not to resort to crimes punishable by death. why is he still not taking a salary?
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you don’t all need to go bonkers now.

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now?...how bout' every day for 4 years....

if Trump were a Russian oligarch with that amount of debt coming due, the CIA would be all over him like flies on dog crap.



where do you get this nonsense?

why is he still not taking a salary?
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It was just a campaign stunt to play off his wealth which must be because a very large brain. Now we know (well we already knew) he's either a massive tax cheat or one of the worst businessmen in the US.

You missed the point of Bob’s post you quoted....

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it was biased fantasy built on speculation reinforced by unnamed sources and fueled by hopeful spite....good point

where do you get this nonsense?

Boy I really thought you two were smarter, how do you think our CIA, the KGB and other governments obtain assets, they turn people that are in trouble and nothing spells trouble better that a half billion of personally guaranteed loans coming due. Stay with me now, never said he was Russian, point was if he were and owed that much he’d be a choice target for the CIA. Sad that went over your heads, I’m going to have to dumb it down.

Boy I really thought you two were smarter, how do you think our CIA, the KGB and other governments obtain assets, they turn people that are in trouble and nothing spells trouble better that a half billion of personally guaranteed loans coming due. Stay with me now, never said he was Russian, point was if he were and owed that much he’d be a choice target for the CIA. Sad that went over your heads, I’m going to have to dumb it down.
And that he might owe the IRS about 100 million.

great thing about these fools is that they never learn...

"The article had repercussions for both McCain and The Times. He may benefit, at least in the short run, from a conservative backlash against the “liberal” New York Times. The newspaper found itself in the uncomfortable position of being the story as much as publishing the story, in large part because, although it raised one of the most toxic subjects in politics — sex — it offered readers no proof that McCain and Iseman had a romance."

And that he might owe the IRS about 100 million.

probably closer to a bazillion :kewl:

never said he was Russian



yes there is no evidence that he's russian

"We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia...We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time." - EricTrump, 2014
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I thought we were supposed to be all in for the global economy.

And that he might owe the IRS about 100 million.

I hear the IRS has great payment plans. Or can fall back on the old bankruptcy schtick.

Give him a break. He couldn’t pay taxes because he has loan spurs.
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these guys should start looking for the Oak Island treasure too :bl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwbWEDgu-hQ

John Bolton said he heard Trump tell Erdogan that a U.S. investigation of Turkey's state-owned Halkbank was wrong and he'd "take care of it." Was part of Trump's motive financial?
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Donald Trump said he's "smart" by not paying income taxes — and argued that if he did, the money would be "squandered." 2016 debate


Trump Says NATO Allies Don’t Pay Their Share. Does he?

Trump in 2011 said lower-income Americans should have to pay taxes to 'be a part of the game' and said he paid 'a lot'

All from the orange horses's mouth
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John Bolton said he heard Trump tell Erdogan that a U.S. investigation of Turkey's state-owned Halkbank was wrong and he'd "take care of it." Was part of Trump's motive financial?
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When it is not possible to know the answer, it's only necessary to ask the question to suggest the answer. It's a trick that avoids the necessity of proof.

When you send your henchman to work with Julian Assange to publish American emails hacked by Russian intelligence, it complicates the moral power of your complaints about violations of your financial privacy

Especially after you've used the pardon power to protect the henchman

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When you send your henchman to work with Julian Assange to publish American emails hacked by Russian intelligence, it complicates the moral power of your complaints about violations of your financial privacy

Especially after you've used the pardon power to protect the henchman

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ewwww . . . henchman . . . that's a bad thing.

When you send your henchman

to protect the henchman

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oh good....pete pelosi

Many people say :cputin::call: that sooner or later, probably sooner, the Trump tax returns that the ny times obtained will be obtained by other journalists, then put on the internet in full and all that expert crowdsourcing will not only produce more insight about Trump's finances, but also will cause even more evidence to come out.

No one will touch him financially, and he'll have no one to bail him out. Not even a line of credit to tide things over.

He'll end up personally bankrupt.

He'll wind up a criminal defendant, fighting off charges of tax and financial fraud, and he might not be even able to foot his lawyers' bills, if any decent lawyers will still work for him.

He's done.

Not just politically, but financially and legally.

Many people say :cputin::call: that sooner or later, probably sooner, the Trump tax returns that the ny times obtained will be obtained by other journalists, then put on the internet in full and all that expert crowdsourcing will not only produce more insight about Trump's finances, but also will cause even more evidence to come out.

No one will touch him financially, and he'll have no one to bail him out. Not even a line of credit to tide things over.

He'll end up personally bankrupt.

He'll wind up a criminal defendant, fighting off charges of tax and financial fraud, and he might not be even able to foot his lawyers' bills, if any decent lawyers will still work for him.

He's done.

Not just politically, but financially and legally.

BUT HER EMAILS!!
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Many people say :cputin::call: that sooner or later, probably sooner, the Trump tax returns that the ny times obtained will be obtained by other journalists, then put on the internet in full and all that expert crowdsourcing will not only produce more insight about Trump's finances, but also will cause even more evidence to come out.

No one will touch him financially, and he'll have no one to bail him out. Not even a line of credit to tide things over.

He'll end up personally bankrupt.

He'll wind up a criminal defendant, fighting off charges of tax and financial fraud, and he might not be even able to foot his lawyers' bills, if any decent lawyers will still work for him.

He's done.

Not just politically, but financially and legally.

Very scary stuff. You write a lot scary stuff. You're like the Stephen King of the forum.

Very scary stuff. You write a lot scary stuff. You're like the Stephen King of the forum.

Stephen King is entertaining and well aware that he writes fiction.

Stephen King is entertaining and well aware that he writes fiction.

Grumps entire career is fiction :hihi:
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Very scary stuff. You write a lot scary stuff. You're like the Stephen King of the forum.

Oh I didn't know that you're a fan, Stephen King has some great thoughts on Tweety

Trump supporters, explain to your children why you are supporting an adulterer, draft dodger, liar, and tax cheat. Bonus point if you avoid telling them the lie that it’s “fake news.”

Trump supporters don't believe the info about Trump's tax cheating is important, even if true. Assure them that it is true and it matters a great deal. He's a HUGE national security risk.

Trump supporters don't wear masks because it's their way of saying "I'm with stupid."

200,000 dead from COVID-19. At least 145,000 of those deaths could have been prevented if President Trump had taken decisive action. He did not, and because he did not, he does not deserve a second term.

America is suffering fires, floods and plague. If this had happened under Obama, the fundamentalists and righties would be screaming END TIMES!

No one will touch him financially,

he'll have no one to bail him out.

Not even a line of credit to tide things over.

He'll end up personally bankrupt.

He'll wind up a criminal defendant,

He's done.

Not just politically, but financially and legally.



I can hear pete banging his head against the wall from here...

the fundamentalists and righties would be screaming END TIMES!




if end times means you can't post anymore it might sound pretty attractive :laugha:

if end times means I can't post stupid comments anymore it might sound pretty attractive :laugha:
Fixed it for you
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Trump supporters don't believe the info about Trump's tax cheating is important!

you have evidence that he owed more than he paid?

Trump supporters, explain to your children why you are supporting an adulterer, draft dodger, liar, and tax cheat.

From the side that worships Bill Clinton to this day. Want to explain how you can idolize Bill Clinton but say that Trump isn't decent enough? When lawyers decide you're too sleazy to be one of them, you're a scumbag.

Here's what I tell my 14 year-old, it's the truth, and it suffices. I'm not voting for him to be a hero or a role model or anyone's idea of what a good person should be. I'm voting for whoever will do a better job protecting the unborn, growing the economy, going after terrorists, advocating for law and order, limiting federal power to what the constitution enumerates.

Those are my priorities. Who should I vote for?

Fixed it for you
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Ha ha ha, good one, my stomach hurt from laughing.

Oh I didn't know that you're a fan, Stephen King has some great thoughts on Tweety

I'm not a fan of Stephen King, nor of most political opinions by Progressives or leftists of other stripes.

Trump supporters, explain to your children why you are supporting an adulterer, draft dodger, liar, and tax cheat. Bonus point if you avoid telling them the lie that it’s “fake news.”

Well, children, most of those accusations are either unproven or exagerations. And his opponent is no white lily of morality or honesty and supports a political agenda that will shrink your economic opportunities and weaken or remove many of your constitutional unalienable rights--all while enriching himself and his family by leveraging his political power.

Trump supporters don't believe the info about Trump's tax cheating is important, even if true. Assure them that it is true and it matters a great deal. He's a HUGE national security risk.

Actually, children, His four years in office have not shown him to be a national security risk. If anything, he has strengthened national security. Tax avoidance is not tax cheating. It is very legitimate, encouraged by the IRS, and practiced by most Americans.

Trump supporters don't wear masks because it's their way of saying "I'm with stupid."

This, my children, is an obvious lie, Pete is not really on your side. He has what is called an "agenda." That is far more important to him than guiding you with useful and honest information.

200,000 dead from COVID-19. At least 145,000 of those deaths could have been prevented if President Trump had taken decisive action. He did not, and because he did not, he does not deserve a second term.

Children, these are made up "statistics" which ignore how Trump did what the experts asked. And they imply that the President of the U.S. Has far more responsibility than the Constitution gives him. In his views of presidential and federal government powers, Pete is what they call a Progressive. Progressives don't like the Constitution. They have been trying for a long time to get rid of it, and replace your unalienable rights which it protects and replace them with the limited rights that government will grant to you.

America is suffering fires, floods and plague. If this had happened under Obama, the fundamentalists and righties would be screaming END TIMES!

Children, Pete tends to go off on conjectural fantasies that somehow are supposed to prove that Trump is an evil traitor.

Tax is the least of it. The article offers direct evidence of Trump’s impending financial liability to unknown lenders, and of pervasive conflicts of interest as president, that are of grave national security concern.

The consulting fees that Trump’s various foreign businesses paid to Ivanka Trump and others look potentially fraudulent. The Times article cites 20 percent consulting fees that foreign Trump businesses regularly deducted by reason of paying them to unnamed consultants. Some of these fees pertained to activities in which Trump’s role as an investor was ostensibly entirely passive, meaning that he wasn’t engaged in making any of the business decisions. Consulting fees also appear to have been paid to family members such as Ivanka Trump. She got consulting fees with respect to businesses for which she simultaneously worked as an executive, and thus as an employee.

Based on what the article says, several different types of fraud may have been involved here. Fees paid to family members who did not provide services in return would be improper deductions. Fees paid to “consultants” who were employees might be properly deductible by the business – as salary – but would potentially trigger 3.8 percent payroll tax liability by the recipient under the so-called Medicare payroll tax. Fees that were actually gifts to family members were not properly deductible, and also may have generated gift tax liability on Trump’s part that the mislabeling helped to conceal.
There is an old saying that one can never detect tax fraud purely on the face of a tax return – but this comes closer than usual. – Even wholly fraudulent tax returns generally do not proclaim their fraudulence on their face. The Trump returns presumably are no exception, and much of the evidence suggesting possible fraudulence was developed in the Times article through the use of other sources. Nonetheless, with that aid, the Times article makes a powerful initial case, clearly meriting investigation, that substantial tax fraud may have occurred.
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Tax is the least of it. The article offers direct evidence of Trump’s impending financial liability to unknown lenders, and of pervasive conflicts of interest as president, that are of grave national security concern.
You mean 400 million+ in PERSONAL liability is a cause for concern? Something I haven't seen reported, isn't this supposed to be listed on Trump's yearly financial disclosure form?

Tax is the least of it. The article offers direct evidence of Trump’s impending financial liability to unknown lenders, and of pervasive conflicts of interest as president, that are of grave national security concern.

The consulting fees that Trump’s various foreign businesses paid to Ivanka Trump and others look potentially fraudulent. The Times article cites 20 percent consulting fees that foreign Trump businesses regularly deducted by reason of paying them to unnamed consultants. Some of these fees pertained to activities in which Trump’s role as an investor was ostensibly entirely passive, meaning that he wasn’t engaged in making any of the business decisions. Consulting fees also appear to have been paid to family members such as Ivanka Trump. She got consulting fees with respect to businesses for which she simultaneously worked as an executive, and thus as an employee.

Based on what the article says, several different types of fraud may have been involved here. Fees paid to family members who did not provide services in return would be improper deductions. Fees paid to “consultants” who were employees might be properly deductible by the business – as salary – but would potentially trigger 3.8 percent payroll tax liability by the recipient under the so-called Medicare payroll tax. Fees that were actually gifts to family members were not properly deductible, and also may have generated gift tax liability on Trump’s part that the mislabeling helped to conceal.
There is an old saying that one can never detect tax fraud purely on the face of a tax return – but this comes closer than usual. – Even wholly fraudulent tax returns generally do not proclaim their fraudulence on their face. The Trump returns presumably are no exception, and much of the evidence suggesting possible fraudulence was developed in the Times article through the use of other sources. Nonetheless, with that aid, the Times article makes a powerful initial case, clearly meriting investigation, that substantial tax fraud may have occurred.
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It is amazing how you are able to transform "may have" into what seems like certainty.

It is amazing how you are able to transform "may have" into what seems like certainty.

There’s a reason Tweety has to hide his returns, it would be so easy to just release them and disprove all the claims. But he can’t because he is a conman. His main con is to present himself as a winner. “I am a successful businessman,” is one of his most successful lies, and it is upon that lie that he built his political career. In fact—as has been widely reported—he declared bankruptcy multiple times, and squandered the fortune his father built through bad business ventures. Now, thanks to new reporting from the Times, we have even greater insight into how his finances are under stress.

It’s also been widely reported that Trump got where he is by cheating, but his supporters either don’t care or don’t read or believe the reports that document Trump’s misdeeds. Trump’s fans think he is a winner because he accumulated wealth (and it doesn’t matter how), he fights with their enemies (liberals, the “elites,” Democrats, and immigrants they perceive are stealing their jobs), and he breaks rules. Anti-democratic movements are generally marked by cynicism and the belief that everyone lies and cheats, so the winner is the one who is best at cheating.
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From the side that worships Bill Clinton to this day. Want to explain how you can idolize Bill Clinton but say that Trump isn't decent enough? When lawyers decide you're too sleazy to be one of them, you're a scumbag.

Here's what I tell my 14 year-old, it's the truth, and it suffices. I'm not voting for him to be a hero or a role model or anyone's idea of what a good person should be. I'm voting for whoever will do a better job protecting the unborn, growing the economy, going after terrorists, advocating for law and order, limiting federal power to what the constitution enumerates.

Those are my priorities. Who should I vote for?

That was the liberal argument for ignoring Bill Clinton's character - that he's doing things liberals want done - and conservatives at the time ridiculed it as a sign of a bankrupt party selling its soul. I guess the GOP was right all along about the price of selling out.

That was the liberal argument for ignoring Bill Clinton's character - that he's doing things liberals want done - and conservatives at the time ridiculed it as a sign of a bankrupt party selling its soul. I guess the GOP was right all along about the price of selling out.

SO you're also saying that liberals flip-flopped. With Bill Clinton, they said ignore character and only pay attention to results. Right?

I accepted that argument, as I said then, and still say today, that Clinton was a scumbag who happened to be a good president.

I'm sorry Pete, if you idolize Bill CLinton, you can't lecture anyone else on the importance of character. That's the definition of wanting to have it both ways (as many republicans also want).

Amazing you point put the republican hypocrisy, and not a syllable about democrat hypocrisy on the same exact issue. You probably can't even see the democrat hypocrisy.

You have once again claimed the ability to read minds and determine opinions.
And then rationalized the comparison of Clinton’s BJ with the actions of the current occupant of the White House.
Good luck with that

And think about this

Seven members of George W. Bush’s cabinet have endorsed Biden.

So have more than 70 former Republican national security officials.

So have seven former GOP governors, four former GOP senators, and more than two dozen former GOP House members.

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You have once again claimed the ability to read minds and determine opinions.
And then rationalized the comparison of Clinton’s BJ with the actions of the current occupant of the White House.
Good luck with that

And think about this

Seven members of George W. Bush’s cabinet have endorsed Biden.

So have more than 70 former Republican national security officials.

So have seven former GOP governors, four former GOP senators, and more than two dozen former GOP House members.

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SO let's recap Pete.

When Bill Clinton was POTUS, the democrats said his ethics didn't matter, what mattered were his results. The Republicans attacked his character.

Today, the democrats attack Trumps character, and the Republicans now say that character doesn't matter but results do.

Try to follow along here, this is where you have trouble keeping up...

BOTH SIDES are saying the opposite of what they said before (just like they flip flopped on the supreme court nominations in election years). Even according to your own post, BOTH SIDES are flip-flopping, saying whatever suits them based on whoever is in power at that time.

I can call out the hypocrisy on both sides. To deny that, would be to deny reality.

You, as always, go the "deny reality" route.

Not just Clintons affair. But the emphatic way he lied to us about it, which takes a special kind of scumbag to do with a straight face (Trump could easily pull it off). And the way he used his wife to claim the GOP was framing him, and the way she attacked his victims on national TV.

You want to split hairs, fine. Between the two of us, I am the one who can admit hypocrisy on my side. I've never seen you do it. I don't think you can.

Here, let's try. When Bush was POTUS, Biden said no SC nominations should be made in an election year, and that if a president made a nomination, the senate should refuse to vote. That's exactly what the GOP did in 2016, but Biden had flip-flopped 180 degrees, and was no saying the president could make a nomination, and that the senate had a duty to vote.

You tell me if that's consistent logic, or if its naked hypocrisy.

Were all ears, buddy.

Recap Bill balanced our budget and Trump has put our country into debt and the economy in ruin, does that basically sum it up?
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There’s a reason Tweety has to hide his returns, it would be so easy to just release them and disprove all the claims. But he can’t because he is a conman. His main con is to present himself as a winner. “I am a successful businessman,” is one of his most successful lies, and it is upon that lie that he built his political career. In fact—as has been widely reported—he declared bankruptcy multiple times, and squandered the fortune his father built through bad business ventures. Now, thanks to new reporting from the Times, we have even greater insight into how his finances are under stress.

It’s also been widely reported that Trump got where he is by cheating, but his supporters either don’t care or don’t read or believe the reports that document Trump’s misdeeds. Trump’s fans think he is a winner because he accumulated wealth (and it doesn’t matter how), he fights with their enemies (liberals, the “elites,” Democrats, and immigrants they perceive are stealing their jobs), and he breaks rules. Anti-democratic movements are generally marked by cynicism and the belief that everyone lies and cheats, so the winner is the one who is best at cheating.
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This all sounds very familiar. Old news?

Recap Bill balanced our budget and Trump has put our country into debt and the economy in ruin, does that basically sum it up?


No it doesn't. The congressional "budget" and the national debt are two different things. Congress, during Clinton's tenure, added to the national debt. The Congresses following Clinton to now added progressively larger amounts to the national debt. So Congress, not Trump, has put our country into debt.

And I'll give the Congress a break on the economy supposedly being in ruin. The worldwide economic destruction caused by the covid pandemic is responsible for that. Although the large stimulus that Congress passed sure did add a lot to the debt, but possibly kept the economy from being totally destroyed.

Congress, not the President is responsible for the budget. And Congress has not passed an annual budget since 2008, but has just passed continuing resolutions.

According to CSN news, "Many leading Democrats in Washington these days like to point to the fact that the federal budget was balanced for part of the time that President Bill Clinton was in office. What they do not mention is that those balanced budgets occurred only when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. [ergo, in fact, the Republicans were responsible for the balanced budgets, Clinton merely signed them.]

In fact, according to the historical data published by the Office of Management and Budget in the Obama White House, no Congress in which the Democrats controlled both the House and Senate has balanced the federal budget since fiscal 1969--more than 40 [now 50] years ago."

Recap Bill balanced our budget and Trump has put our country into debt and the economy in ruin, does that basically sum it up?
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as i said, i think clinton was a good president! also a scumbag. but all the democrats said his character didn’t matter. i thought they made a good point. i still think they had a good point.

i give trump poor grades in debt. funny that if all the metrics you can use to judge a president’s economic performance, you chose the one he gets a bad grade on. if you look at his entire economic record, before covid, it was very good. cherry pick all you want.
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as i said, i think clinton was a good president! also a scumbag. but all the democrats said his character didn’t matter. i thought they made a good point. i still think they had a good point.

i give trump poor grades in debt. funny that if all the metrics you can use to judge a president’s economic performance, you chose the one he gets a bad grade on. if you look at his entire economic record, before covid, it was very good. cherry pick all you want.
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What did Trump, or Clinton, do to the debt?

This all sounds very familiar. Old news?
Nothing new about Trump, he’s been running a con his whole life
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Nothing new about Trump, he’s been running a con his whole life
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That's an old talking point. BTW, Biden has been conning us for over 40 years. But's that's old news too. It's just not talked about as much by his friendly media cons. Come to think of it, you're a pretty consistent con yourself.

That's an old talking point. BTW, Biden has been conning us for over 40 years. But's that's old news too. It's just not talked about as much by his friendly media cons. Come to think of it, you're a pretty consistent con yourself.

It’s been true since Trump appeared in the media, so sure it’s old news.
Con man forever
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It’s been true since Trump appeared in the media, so sure it’s old news.
Con man forever
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It truly is a talking point. And its true that Biden cons a lot. As do you.