Should be entertaining, but we all know it won’t change many votes, I think the majority will vote the same regardless of tonight’s debate. Good news for Trump is that if he looses the election he will have secret service protection if the people he owes 400 million come looking for him. I feel for pour Melania, she looks miserable every time she’s with him, but she can’t divorce him unless she wants to assume half that debt.

JUST IN: Joe Biden refuses to take a pregnancy test prior to tonight's debate. The question remains: What is he hiding?

Developing.
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OMG .... and I'll leave it at that
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Having watched this disgrace tonight, I just want to say I'm proud to have been Never Trump from the beginning, I'm proud to be Never Trump today, and I'll be proud to remain Never Trump as long as necessary--hopefully for only five more weeks.
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Pathetic. I’m glad to hear trump asked the proud boys to stand by... wow. He’s scared for his life.
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I want to see how the Trumplicans walk that one back.
Will it be, that’s not what he really meant,

Or perhaps the not really Trumplicans can fill us into
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I want to see how the Trumplicans walk that one back.
Will it be, that’s not what he really meant,


I reluctantly started to watch the debate. I despise these debate shows even more than state of the union shows. A few minutes in, I realized my mistake, tuned it out, and went on to more productive activity.

I admit that what little I saw didn't make Trump look good. But he didn't look good in his debates with Republican candidates or with HRC. But neither did they. At least uncle Joe didn't look bad. But it was living down to my expectations, and I just couldn't take anymore.

I looked at some of the comments and clips later, and saw the "stand back and stand by" remark, which I suppose you're referring to. I have no idea what he meant by it. I assume the "stand back" meant don't do the violence and disruption. The "stand by," I have no idea.

GS is right. It won't change my vote. Both of them remained who I thought they were. Didn't expect any different. It's not about them, for me. And the questions that I heard didn't touch any of my major concerns. But I admit that I didn't stay with it long enough to hear that many questions.

I never watch these, but sat down at 8 to tune in. I Didn’t realize there was an hour of “Pre-Game” before it started. :rolleyes:

I ended up bailing and going downstairs to finish up season 3 of Ozark.
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I never watch these



I watch very little tv as it is...this would not be on the list....I'm sure pete will fill us all in :shocked:

A most pitiful and disgusting display....

A most pitiful and disgusting display....

330 million Americans, and this is the best we can do :wall:
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Like watching a screaming 12 year old throwing a temper tantrum at the shopping center. I’m pretty sure he doubled down on Charlottesville with his Pour Boy comment, if there was ever any doubt he loves white supremacy he put that question to bed. Couldn’t watch much before I couldn’t stand watching the screaming child.

I reluctantly started to watch the debate. I despise these debate shows even more than state of the union shows. A few minutes in, I realized my mistake, tuned it out, and went on to more productive activity.

I admit that what little I saw didn't make Trump look good. But he didn't look good in his debates with Republican candidates or with HRC. But neither did they. At least uncle Joe didn't look bad. But it was living down to my expectations, and I just couldn't take anymore.

I looked at some of the comments and clips later, and saw the "stand back and stand by" remark, which I suppose you're referring to. I have no idea what he meant by it. I assume the "stand back" meant don't do the violence and disruption. The "stand by," I have no idea.

GS is right. It won't change my vote. Both of them remained who I thought they were. Didn't expect any different. It's not about them, for me. And the questions that I heard didn't touch any of my major concerns. But I admit that I didn't stay with it long enough to hear that many questions.

I assumed you wouldn’t understand the Proud Boys order, but they did

Proud Boys in social media groups are going wild about the "Stand back and stand by" comment. They are basically seeing it as acknowledgment and a call to arms.
It’s now incorporated into their logo
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Said it before and last night showed clearly why this idiot is a national security threat, the white supremacy (domestic terrorists) groups are getting locked and loaded should Trump loose. Hey Jim you listed Trumps record on terrorists as a reason to vote and yet last night he clearly came out in support of a group our own government views as a more imminent threat on American sole, how do you square that in your head?

Grumpier Old Men

Like watching a screaming 12 year old throwing a temper tantrum at the shopping center.

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this describes the average post from you and pete

read it described this way....

"Trump made it impossible for Biden to make any of his arguments. Trump did to Biden what Biden did to Paul Ryan eight years ago."

I watched both those debates
Tweety’s performance was nothing like Biden’s with Ryan
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Scott, come on. Enough with the personal attacks....

I tuned in hoping, as I am sure many Americans did, to grab something I had missed to date, that might, just might help me make my decision more concrete as we approach this election. Sadly, my hopes were dashed for the most part... Nobody won here. But Trump's MO, which may well be standard operating procedure in the world of New York real estate, was enough to drive me away from the table. As such, he solidified my vote against him. Final answer.

Scott, come on. Enough with the personal attacks....

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have you read their posts?...:rotf2:

Its odd those who run interference for trump the most

Didn't take the time to watch the debate. Curious
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I did hear that Trump tested negative...........for rabies
The tests are obviously not 100% accurate.
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have you read their posts?...:rotf2:

I have... and while I may not agree with them, the comments were for the most part on point, ie. directed towards the actions of the candidates/politicians/political parties..... But not at YOU! We can only ask the same throughout this forum.

Sarcasm is a fine line to walk online. It can easily be construed as mockery, ridicule, or derision. Simply adding an emoji is not to explain away over the line commentary.

Its odd those who run interference for trump the most

Didn't take the time to watch the debate. Curious
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That’s because if you just look at trump and the steaming pile of chit that he is, you would never want to support the guy. But ... if you have strong opinions about something that maybe you can’t admit publicly but you know he supports by his “dog whistle” comments, you just don’t care. In fact you would probably vote in a baboon as long as your values were being represented.
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Sarcasm is a fine line to walk online. It can easily be construed as mockery, ridicule, or derision. Simply adding an emoji is not to explain away over the line commentary.

we can still hang out...I'll buy the beer

I did hear that Trump tested negative...........for rabies
The tests are obviously not 100% accurate.
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this is good to know

That’s because if you just look at trump and the steaming pile of chit that he is, you would never want to support the guy. But ... if you have strong opinions about something that maybe you can’t admit publicly but you know he supports by his “dog whistle” comments, you just don’t care. In fact you would probably vote in a baboon as long as your values were being represented.
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wut??

wut??

Hes saying (very poorly) that republicans care nothing about character, only about voting for a guy who will implement policy we like. I plead guilty.

Coming from the party that still worships Bill Clinton,. it's hard to put any validity whatsoever, to their worries about character flaws on the right. Bill CLinton spoke at the convention recently, and lectured Trump on, of all things, morality and behavior in the White House. Can't make that up.

I see a soul floating away
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Hes saying (very poorly) that republicans care nothing about character, only about voting for a guy who will implement policy we like. I plead guilty.

Coming from the party that still worships Bill Clinton,. it's hard to put any validity whatsoever, to their worries about character flaws on the right. Bill CLinton spoke at the convention recently, and lectured Trump on, of all things, morality and behavior in the White House. Can't make that up.

Actually, he's trolling for closet White Supremists
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I’m voting for my dead cat. What a pitiful display that debate was.
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Like watching a screaming 12 year old throwing a temper tantrum at the shopping center. I’m pretty sure he doubled down on Charlottesville with his Pour Boy comment, if there was ever any doubt he loves white supremacy he put that question to bed. Couldn’t watch much before I couldn’t stand watching the screaming child.

He has condemned white supremacism several times already. Asking him to do it again . . . and again . . . is getting old. His immediate response to Wallace when asked if he was willing to condemn it was "sure." And he said so again. When further pressed, in frustration, he asked Chris what he wanted him to call them, what label to use. Then came up with that quote, the first part of which told the bad guys to stand back (I take that to mean stop the mayhem). The "stand by" is still puzzling to me, maybe some Trump sarcasm or just mumble mouth nonsense. Although Pete thinks he knows. Maybe Trump will be asked to explain it.

He could double down on his Charlottesville comments, one of which, in that very same press talk, is that he wasn't referring to white supremacists or Nazis when he said there were fine people on both sides. Of course, that part of his statement is left out by you and Pete and the leftist media.

So the narrative continues that he is a white supremacist. And all that is needed to prove that is to keep repeating that he is. Never mind that he has condemned that supremacism, Neo-Nazis, racists, several times.

It is not a coincidence that the president chose Tulsa — where white people burned a thriving Black district to the ground, murdering hundreds — for his rally and speech on the anti-racist protests across the country. Nor is it by chance that Stephen Miller, a white supremacist, is said to be writing the president’s speech. Trump chose Miller for the same reason he chose Tulsa and Nazi imagery: to inflame tensions and give a wink to the racists who support him.
Trump’s supporters would have us believe that his many racist comments — from calling Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations “#^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries” to tweeting that young female congresswomen of color should “go back” to the “crime infested places from which they came” — are being misconstrued or taken out of context. They’ll say that the president’s detractors will call anything racist in an attempt to make him look bad.
Trump thinks Mexicans are rapists, that white supremacists are “very fine people,” and that Muslims don’t belong in America. He believes protesters should be roughed up, that majority-Black neighborhoods are dangerous, and that the exonerated Central Park Five are guilty.
The president doesn’t need to yell a racial slur for us to know he’s a racist — his dog whistles relay the same message while giving himself and his supporters plausible deniability. So yes, the upside-down triangle is racist and meant to infuriate you and to stoke his base. This is who he is and what he does.
In advance of his Tulsa speech, the president told the Wall Street Journal on Thursday that he “made Juneteenth very famous.” Apparently, “nobody had ever heard of it.” What’s that saying from Maya Angelou? When someone shows you who they are—believe them.
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Hes saying (very poorly) that republicans care nothing about character, only about voting for a guy who will implement policy we like. I plead guilty.

Coming from the party that still worships Bill Clinton,. it's hard to put any validity whatsoever, to their worries about character flaws on the right. Bill CLinton spoke at the convention recently, and lectured Trump on, of all things, morality and behavior in the White House. Can't make that up.

So no comments about yhe Debate?

But you bring up Bill Clinton, its amazing your a contortionist with out equal.. on this site
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It is not a coincidence that the president chose Tulsa — where white people burned a thriving Black district to the ground, murdering hundreds — for his rally and speech on the anti-racist protests across the country. Nor is it by chance that Stephen Miller, a white supremacist, is said to be writing the president’s speech. Trump chose Miller for the same reason he chose Tulsa and Nazi imagery: to inflame tensions and give a wink to the racists who support him.
Trump’s supporters would have us believe that his many racist comments — from calling Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations “#^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries” to tweeting that young female congresswomen of color should “go back” to the “crime infested places from which they came” — are being misconstrued or taken out of context. They’ll say that the president’s detractors will call anything racist in an attempt to make him look bad.
Trump thinks Mexicans are rapists, that white supremacists are “very fine people,” and that Muslims don’t belong in America. He believes protesters should be roughed up, that majority-Black neighborhoods are dangerous, and that the exonerated Central Park Five are guilty.
The president doesn’t need to yell a racial slur for us to know he’s a racist — his dog whistles relay the same message while giving himself and his supporters plausible deniability. So yes, the upside-down triangle is racist and meant to infuriate you and to stoke his base. This is who he is and what he does.
In advance of his Tulsa speech, the president told the Wall Street Journal on Thursday that he “made Juneteenth very famous.” Apparently, “nobody had ever heard of it.” What’s that saying from Maya Angelou? When someone shows you who they are—believe them.
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It's no coincidence that you keep repeating debunked mantras over and over and over and over. You have shown who you are.

Pathetic. I’m glad to hear trump asked the proud boys to stand by... wow. He’s scared for his life.
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Things I learned from that #^&#^&#^&#^&show, as follows:

One person talking was a tax-evading, racist, White-Nationalist supporter.

Ah, we all knew that already. All he had to do was fib a little, and he would’ve done a little better.

News outlets say his debate team literally said he “Didn’t follow any debate prep. He just crashed after takeoff.”

The whole thing was an embarrassment to the US people. It was an insult to our collective intelligence.

I, for one, say cancel the next two. Hell, most of us will vote early, anyhow.
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He has condemned white supremacism several times already. Asking him to do it again . . . and again . . . is getting old. His immediate response to Wallace when asked if he was willing to condemn it was "sure." And he said so again. When further pressed, in frustration, he asked Chris what he wanted him to call them, what label to use. Then came up with that quote, the first part of which told the bad guys to stand back (I take that to mean stop the mayhem). The "stand by" is still puzzling to me, maybe some Trump sarcasm or just mumble mouth nonsense. Although Pete thinks he knows. Maybe Trump will be asked to explain it.

He could double down on his Charlottesville comments, one of which, in that very same press talk, is that he wasn't referring to white supremacists or Nazis when he said there were fine people on both sides. Of course, that part of his statement is left out by you and Pete and the leftist media.

So the narrative continues that he is a white supremacist. And all that is needed to prove that is to keep repeating that he is. Never mind that he has condemned that supremacism, Neo-Nazis, racists, several times.

Keep believing, he can't handle the tough questions apparently, so in the end he shows his true colors. Sort of like the classic questioning by Tom Cruise and the line everyone knows, your damn right I ordered the code red. Trump when pushed always shows who he really is and you of course are an open book, you are the site DeBarr.

Keep believing, he can't handle the tough questions apparently, so in the end he shows his true colors. Sort of like the classic questioning by Tom Cruise and the line everyone knows, your damn right I ordered the code red. Trump when pushed always shows who he really is and you of course are an open book, you are the site DeBarr.

He did not say that he ordered the code red. He did not say he was a white supremacist. He said yes when asked if he was willing to condemn white supremacy. Having done so already, many times, maybe wondering in what way to do it yet again if what he had already said over and over was not sufficient, he asked Wallace what words did he want him to use. As a concrete example, he told the Proud Boys to stand back, in essence to not create mayhem. How is that interpreted as actually approving their mayhem or supporting white racism? And, perhaps knowing that Biden would not be asked to condemn ANTIFA, and other leftist rioters, he pointed out that the left is where he saw most of the rioting coming from.

And do you want to bring up Charlottesville yet again, did he say there that Nazis are fine people, or did he say he was not referring to them?

Not much to misconstrue in what he said
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," Trump said after Biden named the far-right group. "But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left."
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Not much to misconstrue in what he said
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," Trump said after Biden named the far-right group. "But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left."
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What was it, exactly, that Biden said about Antifa and leftist rioters that condemned their violent actions?

Not much to misconstrue in what he said
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," Trump said after Biden named the far-right group. "But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left." Is this anyone to the left of the Trumplicans? Is he saying he will brook no opposition, like Stephen Miller said on tape?
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What was it, exactly, that Biden said about Antifa and leftist rioters that condemned their violent actions?

He said the same thing as FBI director Wray and the same thing he has said previously.
Here's a tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGvQ9kkB-1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_EmwEcDcBg

He said the same thing as FBI director Wray and the same thing he has said previously.
Here's a tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGvQ9kkB-1A


Biden did not condemn Antifa or leftists rioters on this video, nor in the debate. He just gave a general condemnation of various violence. The only specific person he blamed for the violence was Trump.

If Trump had given this generalized response to Wallace's question while gratuitously blaming Biden, would that have been acceptable? I asked you what "Biden said about Antifa and leftist rioters that condemned their violent actions?" I didn't ask you what Ray said. Biden said nothing specifically about about left wing violence. But Trump is asked specifically about what is considered right wing violence.

And Trump has also condemned the violence in general previously, and also specifically condemned white supremacism several times. And he keeps getting asked, over and over, to condemn it. And he has. So, once again, he is asked to in the debate. But Biden gets a pass.

Once again Trump has never heard of something or someone.

Didn't know David Duke either

Trump knows the Proud Boys because of the Roger Stone scandal involving them.

Also, the chairman of Proud Boys is the Florida State Director of Latinos for Trump. Enrique Tarrio. Same Proud Boy who organized the Portland rally a few days ago.

Why would I think there's pics of them?

Once again Trump has never heard of something or someone.

Didn't know David Duke either

Trump knows the Proud Boys because of the Roger Stone scandal involving them.

Also, the chairman of Proud Boys is the Florida State Director of Latinos for Trump. Enrique Tarrio. Same Proud Boy who organized the Portland rally a few days ago.

Why would I think there's pics of them?

Once again you inform us of very meaningful stuff.

Once again Trump has never heard of something or someone.

Didn't know David Duke either

Trump knows the Proud Boys because of the Roger Stone scandal involving them.

Also, the chairman of Proud Boys is the Florida State Director of Latinos for Trump. Enrique Tarrio. Same Proud Boy who organized the Portland rally a few days ago.

Why would I think there's pics of them?

Once again you inform us of very meaningful stuff.

This morning, authorities in Portland arrested Proud Boys member Alan Swinney. He faces a dozen charges, six of which are felonies, including assault, unlawful use of weapon, and menacing.

If you want to claim that Trump did and does a great job, perhaps you can explain a simple point. If a president cannot follow the clear, agreed upon rules of a debate, why would we expect him to follow the more demanding obligation to faithfully execute the laws & his office?

This morning, authorities in Portland arrested Proud Boys member Alan Swinney. He faces a dozen charges, six of which are felonies, including assault, unlawful use of weapon, and menacing.

Good news that we wouldn't have known if you didn't tell us. I'm sure this wouldn't have been picked up by CNN or MSMBC or CBS or NBC or the NYT or Washington Post. You must have some really good sources to pick this stuff up and letting us know.

If you want to claim that Trump did and does a great job, perhaps you can explain a simple point. If a president cannot follow the clear, agreed upon rules of a debate, why would we expect him to follow the more demanding obligation to faithfully execute the laws & his office?

Wow. That's really a good point. No wonder you post so much. Your head must be exploding with good stuff and you just gotta let it out . . . you know . . . to do us a favor and help us understand life and what's really going on . . . and it probably hurts if you try to hold it . . . Yeah, and if he can't follow those simple rules, how could he even drive a car . . . or run a good con . . . or flush his toilet.

Might be why he wears Depends
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Might be why he wears Depends


Ahhh. . . Thanks for dropping another load of verbal chit on us from that huge reservoir of words teeming in your head. As I say, the swelling of really important facts packing your brain probably hurts to hold them in. So it's good for you to release that important and weighty piece of info and share with us your beautiful mind.

The GOP bought the MAGA ticket - they take the ride.
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Pete and Detbuch in this thread: :scream:
What a waste of time for you two....

Pete and Detbuch in this thread: :scream:
What a waste of time for you two....

this personal attack is shameful :huh::hihi:

this personal attack is shameful :huh::hihi:

Just calling it like I see it :bounce:

Back to :hidin:

If you want to claim that Trump did and does a great job, perhaps you can explain a simple point. If a president cannot follow the clear, agreed upon rules of a debate, why would we expect him to follow the more demanding obligation to faithfully execute the laws & his office?

I find his non answer to this quite telling
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Just calling it like I see it :bounce:

Back to :hidin:

Seriously?

Pete posts about Trump and debuch responds back with personal insults with the occasional attempt to make a counter-point. Pretty much what happens all the time.

If you want to claim that Trump did and does a great job, perhaps you can explain a simple point. If a president cannot follow the clear, agreed upon rules of a debate, why would we expect him to follow the more demanding obligation to faithfully execute the laws & his office?
And how can a President who's doing anything possible to undermine a free and fair election -- the foundation of our democracy -- in any way be considered fit for office?

They're even going so low as to use taxpayer funded food aid to promote Trump as a savior to people in poverty.

Seriously?

Pete posts about Trump and debuch responds back with personal insults with the occasional attempt to make a counter-point. Pretty much what happens all the time.

I have Pete on ignore, but I see his quoted posts. He posts off topic comments (some of which I do agree with), Detbuch comes back and around and around they go....

And how can a President who's doing anything possible to undermine a free and fair election

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sometimes you sound crazier than pete

Seriously?

Pete posts about Trump and debuch responds back with personal insults with the occasional attempt to make a counter-point. Pretty much what happens all the time.

detbuch is one of the most respectful people here...he does get frustrated with the stupidity displayed occasionally but I'd give him high marks for decorum and willingness to continually engage the loons

Are the loons for Trump or against?

More than 50 Republican former national security officials endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Thursday, joining one of several Republican organizations opposing the re-election of President Donald Trump.
The new endorsements will bring it to nearly 130 individuals who have publicly broken with the Republican president, including seven who served under Trump, people familiar with the effort said.

“I’ve concluded that he is dangerous to the existence of the republic as we know it.” Marc Racicot, former Chairman of the Republican Party, on Trump.

Retired General Stanley McChrystal, former head of US & International forces in Afghanistan, endorses Joe Biden for President

They are far from alone.

This is not like Obama vs McCain where the big stink was that Lieberman endorsed McCain, this is a considerable number of leading Republican political figures. Probably all loons

Are the loons for Trump or against?

More than 50 Republican former national security officials endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Thursday

this makes sense...trump is creating peace and stability around the world and those guys are probably miffed because they want to blow s^it up and get paid for consulting the companies that specialize in blowing s^it up....

detbuch is one of the most respectful people here...he does get frustrated with the stupidity displayed occasionally but I'd give him high marks for decorum and willingness to continually engage the loons

Decorum - LOL

detbuch is one of the most respectful people here...he does get frustrated with the stupidity displayed occasionally but I'd give him high marks for decorum and willingness to continually engage the loons

Absolutely, always tries to foster conversation.
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With Trumps Taxes Trump defenders on one hand the report was a hit job the information wasn't real all fake, on the other hand he played by the rules he's a hero he did nothing illegal, bla bla bla. So which is it? Real or FAKE it can't be both. Easy fix he can show his tax returns which he won't he never provides evidence in any of his claims. But for his followers only honey pours from his mouth

TRUMPS BEHAVIORS. I'd give him high marks for decorum and willingness to continually engage the loons. So an F plus

Trumps and white supremacy I wish his supporters would put the same effort they put in defending Trump over that, into condemning his actions in de legitimizing our election. Is it only rigged if he losses ? But not if he wins. Again You cant have it both ways you'll try.:kewl:

Absolutely, always tries to foster conversation.
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Plus his English is impeccable for a Russian troll (I kid, I kid) :rotflmao:

With Trumps Taxes Trump defenders on one hand the report was a hit job the information wasn't real all fake, on the other hand he played by the rules he's a hero he did nothing illegal, bla bla bla. So which is it? Real or FAKE it can't be both. Easy fix he can show his tax returns which he won't he never provides evidence in any of his claims. But for his followers only honey pours from his mouth

TRUMPS BEHAVIORS. I'd give him high marks for decorum and willingness to continually engage the loons. So an F plus

Trumps and white supremacy I wish his supporters would put the same effort they put in defending Trump over that, into condemning his actions in de legitimizing our election. Is it only rigged if he losses ? But not if he wins. Again You cant have it both ways you'll try.:kewl:

Hey any right leaning diabetics on this site, I’m curious if your buying the new insulin Trump claimed during the debate he lowered the price to on par with water. Just another lie, well unless your water costs you close to $40 per day.