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Got Stripers
10-14-2020, 05:29 PM
Barr is running out of conspiracy theory’s to prove for his boss. I guess no charges for Obama staff, time to find another wild goose to chase. It’s going to be fun watching the downfall of this f*cked up administration.

Pete F.
10-14-2020, 06:54 PM
Lindsey Graham just called them the “good old days of segregation.” Racism is all they have left. Desperate.
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wdmso
10-15-2020, 07:24 AM
Don't worry he started a new one with a little help from His friends over at OANon



Trump Promotes Baseless, QAnon-Endorsed Conspiracy Theory Alleging Obama Staged Bin Laden’s Killing

wdmso
10-15-2020, 07:29 AM
And over at Breitbart his faithful stay in the bunker with the der leader. With the news no one spied on his campaign

There is no Justice in the department of justice.
President Donald J Trump will need at least two more
terms to clean out the traitorous infestation in deep state

Or Bill Barr is deep state

spence
10-15-2020, 07:58 AM
This is nothing compared to Obama/BIDEN paying Iran with Burisma money to hold Bin Laden so they could murder the Seal Team 6 unit and fake the killing with a body double which was actually Hunter Biden who was smuggling Stingers out of Benghazi to support Iraqi chemical weapons development as part of a Deep State plot to drain the blood from conservative children and steal Trump’s 2020 victory as ordained by God.
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RIROCKHOUND
10-15-2020, 08:31 AM
This is nothing compared to Obama/BIDEN paying Iran with Burisma money to hold Bin Laden so they could murder the Seal Team 6 unit and fake the killing with a body double which was actually Hunter Biden who was smuggling Stingers out of Benghazi to support Iraqi chemical weapons development as part of a Deep State plot to drain the blood from conservative children and steal Trump’s 2020 victory as ordained by God.
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You forgot that they drained the blood and had sex with the kids at Comet pizza, connected to the white house via a tunnel because, you know, satan....

spence
10-15-2020, 08:33 AM
You forgot that they drained the blood and had sex with the kids at Comet pizza, connected to the white house via a tunnel because, you know, satan....
I left out the pizza joint part because it’s not 100% proven
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RIROCKHOUND
10-15-2020, 08:41 AM
I left out the pizza joint part because it’s not 100% proven
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Right. The guy that shot up the floor just didn't hit the right spots...

Pete F.
10-15-2020, 09:38 AM
Barr is running out of conspiracy theory’s to prove for his boss. I guess no charges for Obama staff, time to find another wild goose to chase. It’s going to be fun watching the downfall of this f*cked up administration.

Why this is bad news for Trump.

Ultimately, 39 different government and intelligence officials found the communications or activities that Flynn was participating in so alarming that they each — separately and independently — made unmasking requests to the NSA. They all did this before even knowing it was someone involved in Trump's campaign.

Worst of all for Trump, the alarming activity by Flynn reported by the NSA has nothing to do with the FBI's case against Flynn for lying about his secret call to Kislyak. We know this for two reasons. First, that call took place on December 29, well after the majority of the unmasking requests involving Flynn took place. Second, that intelligence would not have been collected by the NSA in the first place. Only the FBI can conduct electronic surveillance of foreign targets like Kislyak that are located inside the US.

So whatever Flynn was up to cannot be dismissed as part of the "Deep State coup" which Trump has repeatedly claimed the FBI was waging against him.
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spence
10-15-2020, 01:46 PM
What if Hunter Biden is really Q?
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Jim in CT
10-15-2020, 07:08 PM
have the biden’s denied that the emails are genuine?

interesting that twitter and facebook buried the story. and have twitter or facebook said the story was false? or are they not denying that the stories were buried for political
reasons?


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wdmso
10-15-2020, 08:08 PM
have the biden’s denied that the emails are genuine?

interesting that twitter and facebook buried the story. and have twitter or facebook said the story was false? or are they not denying that the stories were buried for political
reasons?


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Desperate?
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The Dad Fisherman
10-15-2020, 09:50 PM
Desperate?
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Not really
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Pete F.
10-15-2020, 10:05 PM
How’s that hunt going at the truck stops?
Find Dad yet?
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Ian
10-15-2020, 10:17 PM
Right. The guy that shot up the floor just didn't hit the right spots...

This little riff the two of you had up until this point was one of the best back and forths I’ve seen in a while... well done!
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Ian
10-15-2020, 10:20 PM
Why this is bad news for Trump.

Ultimately, 39 different government and intelligence officials found the communications or activities that Flynn was participating in so alarming that they each — separately and independently — made unmasking requests to the NSA. They all did this before even knowing it was someone involved in Trump's campaign.

Worst of all for Trump, the alarming activity by Flynn reported by the NSA has nothing to do with the FBI's case against Flynn for lying about his secret call to Kislyak. We know this for two reasons. First, that call took place on December 29, well after the majority of the unmasking requests involving Flynn took place. Second, that intelligence would not have been collected by the NSA in the first place. Only the FBI can conduct electronic surveillance of foreign targets like Kislyak that are located inside the US.

So whatever Flynn was up to cannot be dismissed as part of the "Deep State coup" which Trump has repeatedly claimed the FBI was waging against him.
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You forgot that the NSA has access to their cameras, so they actually oversee the FBI’s electronic surveillance in real time... its like redundancy in domestic spying :)
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Pete F.
10-15-2020, 10:21 PM
After watching that...
Trump would have been better served by accepting the virtual debate. Suicide bombers have hurt themselves less than this...
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detbuch
10-15-2020, 10:51 PM
After watching that...
Trump would have been better served by accepting the virtual debate. Suicide bombers have hurt themselves less than this...
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blah blah

Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 05:53 AM
Desperate?
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nope. i think i know what’s coming in november and am fine with it.

any chance at all you can answer a very simple question?

have you not seen the emails supposedly from hunters computer? or have you seen them but don’t think they’re legitimate? or do you think that even if they are legitimate, they’re no big deal?
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 05:56 AM
How’s that hunt going at the truck stops?
Find Dad yet?
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your post says more about you than it does about me. what do you think it says about you?
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 06:04 AM
one of the emails
supposedly from hunters laptop is from another board member at Burisma ( Hunter was also on the board, making big money)! asking hunter to think about how he could use his influence on behalf of the company.

i’m curious if the democrats here who dismiss all this, have you seen that email? do you doubt it’s from hunters laptop? or do you think that even if it’s legit, that it’s not a big deal? what about facebook and twitter censoring the story?
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scottw
10-16-2020, 06:17 AM
i’m curious if the democrats here who dismiss all this, have you seen that email? do you doubt it’s from hunters laptop? or do you think that even if it’s legit, that it’s not a big deal? what about facebook and twitter censoring the story?
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you already know the answer....

Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 06:34 AM
you already know the answer....

i assume the answer is, “it never happened, and even if it did trump
is worse,”
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 06:39 AM
How’s that hunt going at the truck stops?
Find Dad yet?
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by the way, since you seem to have a derogatory opinion of women who commit sex acts for money, how do you reconcile that with the vice president on the ticket you’re going to gleefully vote for? lemme guess, it’s ok when democrats whore themselves?
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Pete F.
10-16-2020, 06:41 AM
blah blah
Great quote of the current President
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RIROCKHOUND
10-16-2020, 06:50 AM
i assume the answer is, “it never happened, and even if it did trump
is worse,”
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The irony of this is palpable, as you are on here all the time saying you dislike Trump as a person, but like the results.

As far as the emails; I will withhold opinion. The recent reports of Rudy being worked by Russian intelligence makes the sourcing questionable.

Do I think Hunter is a POS, yes, and that is unfortunate given the other (deceased) brother's accomplishments. I also think Don Jr and Eric are #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s. As of now that hasn't disqualified anyone running for POTUS. If it shows something real in these emails, then the DOJ would have come knocking already...

RIROCKHOUND
10-16-2020, 06:51 AM
This little riff the two of you had up until this point was one of the best back and forths I’ve seen in a while... well done!
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You should fish with us and PIemma on Block once COVID is done, catching is questionable but we laugh a lot...

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 07:01 AM
Relax. Twitter and Facebook are not the internet, and they're not the government. These are private companies. A little bit like a supermarket asking you to wear a mask. You can just stay out or leave if you don't like it.
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scottw
10-16-2020, 07:51 AM
Relax. Twitter and Facebook are not the internet, and they're not the government. These are private companies. A little bit like a supermarket asking you to wear a mask. You can just stay out or leave if you don't like it.
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I'm sure you'd feel the same way if the censorship was in the other political direction:hihi:

spence
10-16-2020, 08:05 AM
nope. i think i know what’s coming in november and am fine with it.

any chance at all you can answer a very simple question?

have you not seen the emails supposedly from hunters computer? or have you seen them but don’t think they’re legitimate? or do you think that even if they are legitimate, they’re no big deal?
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Moth meet flame
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PaulS
10-16-2020, 08:13 AM
Biden campaign is rolling in some much $ they bought 60 min. of prime time advertising on all 3 networks.....





And are donating it to Trump so he can go on live.

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 09:01 AM
I heard they paid NBC to give Covita time last night
And some are complaining they asked him tough questions

When did you get sick
Should you wear a mask
Do you believe in herd immunity
Why share a Bin Laden conspiracy
Do you denounce QAnon
Will you accept losing
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RickBomba
10-16-2020, 09:18 AM
I heard they paid NBC to give Covita time last night
And some are complaining they asked him tough questions

When did you get sick
Should you wear a mask
Do you believe in herd immunity
Why share a Bin Laden conspiracy
Do you denounce QAnon
Will you accept losing
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He lost the suburban female vote with his “cute” comment.

Although I loved the “You can’t just retweet like somebody’s Crazy Uncle...” retort.

Trumbo is literally America’s drunken Uncle Si.
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 09:51 AM
The irony of this is palpable, as you are on here all the time saying you dislike Trump as a person, but like the results.

As far as the emails; I will withhold opinion. The recent reports of Rudy being worked by Russian intelligence makes the sourcing questionable.

Do I think Hunter is a POS, yes, and that is unfortunate given the other (deceased) brother's accomplishments. I also think Don Jr and Eric are #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s. As of now that hasn't disqualified anyone running for POTUS. If it shows something real in these emails, then the DOJ would have come knocking already...

there’s zero irony, literally zero, because unlike every liberal here except probably you, i can admit the moral flaws of the guy on my side.

so are you saying you concede their was influence selling by the biden’s but you’re willing to overlook it? that would be honest. i doubt you’ll hear wdmso it spence it paul or pete day that, they can’t. onlybteump can bad.

oh, you’ll withhold opinion on biden!!! seems you don’t have a problem offering opinions on trump.

et tu, bryan? et tu?

you guys are all exactly the same.
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 09:53 AM
Moth meet flame
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couldn’t answer the question, i see. shocker.
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Pete F.
10-16-2020, 09:58 AM
So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's (private) emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.

Is this how stupid we are now?

No one who does data recovery would read through thousands of personal emails, even if the computer is abandoned. You'd just wipe the drives clean and sell the computers used.

If these emails were as alarming as it's being pushed, Giuliani wouldn't have sat on them for months.

And if Giuliani wanted to prove their validity, he'd turn them over to forensic experts.

The best thing you can say is that this account is not physically impossible, in that it does not violate any laws of nature or require any discontinuity in the space-time continuum and it just goes to show that the Russians aren't the best story writers but they're trying.

Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 10:13 AM
So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's (private) emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.

Is this how stupid we are now?

No one who does data recovery would read through thousands of personal emails, even if the computer is abandoned. You'd just wipe the drives clean and sell the computers used.

If these emails were as alarming as it's being pushed, Giuliani wouldn't have sat on them for months.

And if Giuliani wanted to prove their validity, he'd turn them over to forensic experts.

The best thing you can say is that this account is not physically impossible, in that it does not violate any laws of nature or require any discontinuity in the space-time continuum and it just goes to show that the Russians aren't the best story writers but they're trying.

hunter biden slept with his dead brothers widow ( come on, who among us hasn’t done that), then fathered a child with a stripper and despite his millions, didn’t pay child support until a judge ordered him to. but you are claiming he wouldn’t do anything that doesn’t make sense.

okee-dokee.
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spence
10-16-2020, 10:35 AM
So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's (private) emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.

Is this how stupid we are now?

No one who does data recovery would read through thousands of personal emails, even if the computer is abandoned. You'd just wipe the drives clean and sell the computers used.

If these emails were as alarming as it's being pushed, Giuliani wouldn't have sat on them for months.

And if Giuliani wanted to prove their validity, he'd turn them over to forensic experts.

The best thing you can say is that this account is not physically impossible, in that it does not violate any laws of nature or require any discontinuity in the space-time continuum and it just goes to show that the Russians aren't the best story writers but they're trying.
You forgot the part that the computer repair guy allegedly believed it was Hunter Biden's laptop because it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it.

This story is laughable.

RIROCKHOUND
10-16-2020, 10:39 AM
there’s zero irony, literally zero, because unlike every liberal here except probably you, i can admit the moral flaws of the guy on my side.

so are you saying you concede their was influence selling by the biden’s but you’re willing to overlook it? that would be honest. i doubt you’ll hear wdmso it spence it paul or pete day that, they can’t. onlybteump can bad.

oh, you’ll withhold opinion on biden!!! seems you don’t have a problem offering opinions on trump.

et tu, bryan? et tu?

you guys are all exactly the same.
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#^&#^&#^&#^& off Jim.
Show me where I have said I am idealizing Biden and won’t hold him to any standards. Your projecting again.

Am I willing to overlook flaws over Trump? #^&#^&#^&#^& yes. He (Trump) is incapable of doing the job in my mind. Period.

Given the source of the claims yes I will withhold judgement. I already said I think Hunter is a POS. Was he treading on dads name? Probably. Given the nepotisim in the White House it is hard to say the Trump kids are not doing the same thing. If hunter was acting illegally or Biden was involved do you think Barr and the DOJ wouldn’t be all over this? Rudy has shredded his dignity and credibility at this point, which is sad given his record after 9/11. Hell Trump was briefed Rudy was being worked by Russian intelligence If it is a sketchy democratic source on Trump I tend to wait and see. But go ahead and lump me in with Pete ER al...
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scottw
10-16-2020, 10:43 AM
Show me where I have said I am idealizing Biden and won’t hold him to any standards.


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he didn't say that you said that...this is part of the problem here:btu: he said you said you were holding off judgment on the emails which is what you said "As far as the emails; I will with hold opinion."

scottw
10-16-2020, 10:45 AM
okee-dokee.


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from the dummies that believed the steele dossier :biglaugh:

RIROCKHOUND
10-16-2020, 10:48 AM
he didn't say that you said that...this is part of the problem here:btu: he said you said you were holding off judgment on the emails which is what you said "As far as the emails; I will with hold opinion."

No he asked if I was willing to overlook things. I answered that pretty clearly I think.

Off to eat lunch and walk to dog before meetings all afternoon. Play nice guys!
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Pete F.
10-16-2020, 10:49 AM
Well when your campaign has become a rolling fiasco, demonstrating that underappreciated political maxim: When you’re a one-trick politician with a personality disorder, your luck runs out.

He screwed up one debate, backed out of the next, blew up stimulus negotiations, contracted COVID-19, turned the White House into a coronavirus hotspot, and commenced a national tour of potential superspreader events.
Then to top it off has Colludy and his buddies Parnas and Fruman scum hunting in Ukraine and they come up with Russian misinformation.

Hey, emails worked last time
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scottw
10-16-2020, 10:56 AM
No he asked if I was willing to overlook things. I answered that pretty clearly I think.

Off to eat lunch and walk to dog before meetings all afternoon. Play nice guys!
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the claims simply reinforce much of what is already known....hunter is a crack head that managed to get paid BIG BIG bucks because his dad was appointed "front man" in many countries around the world and if joe didn't know... he must be much further down the dementia road that we are aware of

scottw
10-16-2020, 10:57 AM
Well when your campaign has become a rolling fiasco


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he keeps a pretty busy schedule....seems biden can only muster a couple hours a week

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 11:23 AM
Broke, now Covita’s milking the taxpayers to finance his campaign.

His campaign slashed another $1.1 million in reserved ad time in the Minneapolis-St. Paul TV market this week (initially $1.25 million, now $129,000).

Initially reserved 812 ads, now airing just 49.

Continues a six-week trend.
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scottw
10-16-2020, 11:29 AM
from the dummies that believed the steele dossier :biglaugh:

and every bit of nonsense the democrats threw out there during the kananaugh hearings

scottw
10-16-2020, 11:30 AM
Broke, now Covita’s milking the taxpayers to finance his campaign.

His campaign slashed another $1.1 million in reserved ad time in the Minneapolis-St. Paul TV market this week (initially $1.25 million, now $129,000).

Initially reserved 812 ads, now airing just 49.

Continues a six-week trend.
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I'm rooting for your sanity pete...

Got Stripers
10-16-2020, 12:11 PM
hunter biden slept with his dead brothers widow ( come on, who among us hasn’t done that), then fathered a child with a stripper and despite his millions, didn’t pay child support until a judge ordered him to. but you are claiming he wouldn’t do anything that doesn’t make sense.

okee-dokee.
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Do you judge all people by the character of their offspring? I have a couple friends who are great honest people of character, who unfortunately have sons or daughters who are absolutely the worst individuals. I sympathize with their constant battles to contain or clean up after them, but I don’t judge the parents by the actions of their kids. Also Hunter isn’t running for president or did I miss something? Following all the conspiracy theories is a fools quest.

scottw
10-16-2020, 12:34 PM
Do you judge all people by the character of their offspring?

this offspring and all of his issues seems to make a ton of money where ever the government sends daddy...

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 12:45 PM
Got to get out of Faux world once in a while

How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too

Trump’s children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden’s son
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detbuch
10-16-2020, 12:50 PM
Got to get out of Faux world once in a while

How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too

Trump’s children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden’s son
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How does this make Biden better, fitter, more honest, less dangerous?

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 12:52 PM
Only one of the candidates is in debt and upside down to boot
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detbuch
10-16-2020, 01:07 PM
Only one of the candidates is in debt and upside down to boot
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Only one of the candidates is in the camp of those who wish to transform America from a constitutional republic into an all powerful administrative bureaucracy. And Trump's finances are not totally known but greatly conjectured.

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 01:24 PM
Today would be a good day for him to release his taxes
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detbuch
10-16-2020, 02:23 PM
Today would be a good day for him to release his taxes
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The end of November, or maybe January would be good. Or never is OK.

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 02:28 PM
The state attorney in New York will have them before long
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detbuch
10-16-2020, 02:29 PM
The state attorney in New York have them before long


Well there you go.

Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 06:47 PM
Do you judge all people by the character of their offspring? I have a couple friends who are great honest people of character, who unfortunately have sons or daughters who are absolutely the worst individuals. I sympathize with their constant battles to contain or clean up after them, but I don’t judge the parents by the actions of their kids. Also Hunter isn’t running for president or did I miss something? Following all the conspiracy theories is a fools quest.

i think most, not all of the time, you can tell an awful lot about someone from their kids.

but if you have an honest 5 year old
read my post to you, you’ll
see i wasn’t saying anything about joe. pete was saying that hunter wouldn’t be so
stupid as to do what he’s accused of doing. i was impeaching hunters character ( and quite well) not joes.

are you saying hunters actions
dont say anything about hunter?

just what is in that kool
aid?
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Got Stripers
10-16-2020, 07:36 PM
i think most, not all of the time, you can tell an awful lot about someone from their kids.

but if you have an honest 5 year old
read my post to you, you’ll
see i wasn’t saying anything about joe. pete was saying that hunter wouldn’t be so
stupid as to do what he’s accused of doing. i was impeaching hunters character ( and quite well) not joes.

are you saying hunters actions
dont say anything about hunter?

just what is in that kool
aid?
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I don’t care about Hunter, I’m not electing a Biden family, unlike what happened with the Trump clan coming into power, even without security clearance. Trump is a con, a poser, a failed businessman and he has failed in his new reality series. My vote has been cast, if you want to buy into the latest conspiracy theories have fun.

Pete F.
10-16-2020, 07:39 PM
Donald Trump Has At Least $1 Billion In Debt, More Than Twice The Amount He Suggested
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 08:17 PM
I don’t care about Hunter, I’m not electing a Biden family, unlike what happened with the Trump clan coming into power, even without security clearance. Trump is a con, a poser, a failed businessman and he has failed in his new reality series. My vote has been cast, if you want to buy into the latest conspiracy theories have fun.

pete was telling us what a rational guy hunter is. i responded by pointing to some very very weird and gross behavior by hunter. i’m sorry if that’s all going too fast for you.
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Jim in CT
10-16-2020, 08:18 PM
Donald Trump Has At Least $1 Billion In Debt, More Than Twice The Amount He Suggested
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and you’re worried
that makes him a security risk. yet not concerned that joe
biden also have engaged in influence peddling. so it’s ok when democrats do it.
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Pete F.
10-16-2020, 08:21 PM
Savannah Guthrie: “You’re the president — you’re not someone’s crazy uncle!”

Mary Trump: “Actually..”
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detbuch
10-16-2020, 10:47 PM
Savannah Guthrie: “You’re the president — you’re not someone’s crazy uncle!”

Mary Trump: “Actually..”
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Another game changer! BTW Guthrie "suggested" Trump was 400 million, not a billion. But you always have this unassailable inside info.

wdmso
10-17-2020, 08:20 AM
the claims simply reinforce much of what is already known....hunter is a crack head that managed to get paid BIG BIG bucks because his dad was appointed "front man" in many countries around the world and if joe didn't know... he must be much further down the dementia road that we are aware of

Funny isn't the my pillow guy a former crack head rags to riches who Trump put on the white house lawn. That's celebrated

And keep up your faith in Giuliani was being used by Russians to 'feed misinformation' to Trump

These emails show up now with him being in behind the poles , guess what didn't come with the emails. The Metadata.

spence
10-17-2020, 08:45 AM
and you’re worried
that makes him a security risk. yet not concerned that joe
biden also have engaged in influence peddling. so it’s ok when democrats do it.
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wdmso
10-17-2020, 12:27 PM
and you’re worried
that makes him a security risk. yet not concerned that joe
biden also have engaged in influence peddling. so it’s ok when democrats do it.
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Jim you have no evidence of influence peddling by Biden and Trump isn't peddling influence he's being influenced not only by Giuliani but by QANON

Its comical the news stories you find compelling new york post Tabloid journalism a survey conducted by Pace University, the Post was rated the least-credible major news outlet in New York, and the only news outlet to receive more responses calling it "not credible"


But any reporting by clearly credible sources you dismiss out of hand as TDS

Funny how that works. Care to ask where the Metadata is for these magical emails is ? We know you care if they were obtained legally or if they were provided by the Russians


President Trump 'kisses dictators' butts, mocks evangelicals,' Sasse says on call

Let me guess he's a Rino OR TDS or a never Trumper. Or is he a lying. But but Biden

Pete F.
10-17-2020, 01:10 PM
Another game changer! BTW Guthrie "suggested" Trump was 400 million, not a billion. But you always have this unassailable inside info.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/16/donald-trump-has-at-least-1-billion-in-debt-more-than-twice-the-amount-he-suggested/
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Pete F.
10-17-2020, 01:13 PM
Even if true the Biden allegations aren’t scandalous. The real scandal is the Trump campaign for the second time colluding with Russia to attack our elections.
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detbuch
10-17-2020, 05:18 PM
Even if true the Biden allegations aren’t scandalous. The real scandal is the Trump campaign for the second time colluding with Russia to attack our elections.


I don't have any idea of what you must meant by "scandalous." If the Biden allegations aren't, perhaps we could try another word you like to use about Trump allegations, "damning."

When was the first time Trump colluded with Russia?

Pete F.
10-17-2020, 06:38 PM
2016
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detbuch
10-17-2020, 06:41 PM
2016


Mueller report

Pete F.
10-17-2020, 06:55 PM
Covita declassified it
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detbuch
10-17-2020, 08:54 PM
Covita declassified it


Good

Pete F.
10-18-2020, 08:26 PM
After spending months falsely accusing Biden of wanting to abolish the police, Don Junior was on Fox "news" this morning saying his dad will "get rid" of the FBI in his next term.
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detbuch
10-18-2020, 08:44 PM
After spending months falsely accusing Biden of wanting to abolish the police, Don Junior was on Fox "news" this morning saying his dad will "get rid" of the FBI in his next term.
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He would do well to get rid of some of the top folks in it and pare back some of its power to spy on American citizens.

detbuch
10-18-2020, 08:49 PM
After spending months falsely accusing Biden of wanting to abolish the police . . .

After spending months falsely claiming that Trump never denounced white supremacy, Biden's got nothing good coming.

Pete F.
10-18-2020, 08:55 PM
Good people on both sides🤡
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detbuch
10-18-2020, 09:01 PM
Good people on both sides🤡


There were. And he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis or white supremacists. And it was the lie that he was that Biden said got him into the race. Biden is as persistent a liar as you. Some left wing rag needs to pore through the records and count how many "lies" Biden has said. Probably enough to fill the pages of "War and Peace".

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 06:32 AM
Trump’s recycled 2016 attacks he used on Hillary have failed to effectively damage Biden

And the president has found himself dwelling more and more in the conservative media echo chamber - talking to an increasingly smaller portion of the electorate
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scottw
10-19-2020, 07:03 AM
Funny isn't the my pillow guy a former crack head rags to riches who Trump put on the white house lawn.



you don't see the difference between the pillow guy recovering from addiction and creating an incredibly successful business and hunter following dad in his government role around the globe extorting money and peddling influence among foreign governments and entities?

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 07:30 AM
Now do Covita’s kids

The three of them STOLE from their own charity.

They had to pay a $2 million settlement!

They had to take CLASSES to learn how NOT to steal from your own charity.

They F’d over veterans & kids with cancer.

And all of that is proven, no Russian agitprop
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wdmso
10-19-2020, 08:06 AM
you don't see the difference between the pillow guy recovering from addiction and creating an incredibly successful business and hunter following dad in his government role around the globe extorting money and peddling influence among foreign governments and entities?

No like you i was focusing on the crack head side of your argument

And still waiting to see how he was extroting money a peddling influence .. and dad was. In on it

Oh wait you can't its all an conspiracy ginned up by Giuliani who is actualy in his un offical
government role around the globe extorting money and peddling influence among foreign governments and entities and feeding Trump russian misinformation.. I guess you missed that
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scottw
10-19-2020, 08:25 AM
No like you i was focusing on the crack head side of your argument


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I think you were just triggered because trump mentioned his name:rolleyes:

wdmso
10-19-2020, 10:29 AM
I think you were just triggered because trump mentioned his name:rolleyes:
Like whats happens to you when you hear hunter biden?
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scottw
10-19-2020, 10:48 AM
Like whats happens to you when you hear hunter biden?
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I don't think I've spent much time on hunter biden but I think he's about to be much more famous than the pillow guy:laugha:

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 10:59 AM
Imagine if Hunter Biden had been caught accepting 41 trademarks from China in the midst of trade negotiations that sent farm bankruptcies soaring to levels not seen since the 80s, forcing US taxpayers to pay tens of billions in bailouts. That would be bad.
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detbuch
10-19-2020, 11:27 AM
Imagine if Hunter Biden had been caught accepting 41 trademarks from China in the midst of trade negotiations that sent farm bankruptcies soaring to levels not seen since the 80s, forcing US taxpayers to pay tens of billions in bailouts. That would be bad.


Director of national intelligence said of the Hunter Biden emails:
“Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign,” . . .“This is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”

Ratcliffe said the claims of Russian disinformation are “simply not true.”

He said the laptop is “in the jurisdiction of the FBI” and the Bureau’s investigation “is not centered around Russian disinformation and the intelligence community is not playing any role with respect to that.”

“Let me be clear: the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports that. And we have shared no intelligence with Adam Schiff, or any member of Congress.”

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 12:20 PM
Your regular reminder that, by law, the DNI is supposed to be a career Intelligence Community civil servant.

The current DNI is a partisan hack who has never worked a day in the Intelligence Community.

Trump was impeached for abusing his office to slime Joe Biden. And, what, exactly is Trump, with an assist from DNI Ratcliffe, Fox News, and others, doing RIGHT NOW? Oh.
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detbuch
10-19-2020, 02:07 PM
Your regular reminder that, by law, the DNI is supposed to be a career Intelligence Community civil servant.

Would you cite this law? I could only find that he is appointed by the President with the confirmation of the Senate. Which is what happened.

The current DNI is a partisan hack who has never worked a day in the Intelligence Community.

From what is being exposed about the intelligence community, it appears to have been a sort of corrupt swamp at the top.

Trump was impeached for abusing his office to slime Joe Biden. And, what, exactly is Trump, with an assist from DNI Ratcliffe, Fox News, and others, doing RIGHT NOW? Oh.


Oh. Sliming a politician is what politicians always do. That's not what he was impeached for. You keep making stuff up.

And what are the leftist press and social media doing RIGHT NOW? Oh . . . what they always do . . . attempt to mock,"debunk," suppress and destroy information that hurts their guy.

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 03:06 PM
Google is easy

50 U.S.C. § 403-3a
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Pete F.
10-19-2020, 03:15 PM
Oh. Sliming a politician is what politicians always do. That's not what he was impeached for. You keep making stuff up.

And what are the leftist press and social media doing RIGHT NOW? Oh . . . what they always do . . . attempt to mock,"debunk," suppress and destroy information that hurts their guy.

1. The fact that the DNI is abusing all instruments of his power and serving as a trump campaign surrogate is a metaphor for how Trump has treated intelligence from day 1: as PR material.

That’s not just un-intelligent it’s dangerous.

2. Why you may ask? Well for starters we have no reason to believe that the DNI is forthcoming about threats / assessments that don’t jibe w Trump’s political needs. Censoring intel to assuage Trump’s ego means policy makers and the public may not get a full picture.

3. Plus he has trumped up material that suits Trump’s TPs - even when it should have a Russian warning label attached.

4. Collection priorities may be skewed toward what Trump needs for his campaign machine vs what we need to keep us safe

5. And assessments that don’t match Trump’s spin machines needs may be censored or neutered.

6. The DNI talking about politics is just a signal to the world that all “intel” has a political filter permanently applied under this President.

7. Our intel partners probably don’t trust Ratcliffe bc he’s looks like Trump’s political errand boy - they won’t want to put their own sources and methods at Risk

8. Our adversaries likely think if they can put out “Intel” that suits Trumps campaign needs Ratcliffe will release it / elevate it even if it’s part of a disinfo attack

9. This gross politicization of intel could turn off qualified Americans from applying to serve in the IC. And it could lead existing IC personnel to leave.

10. It appears that Ratcliffe doesn’t care about the adverse effects he’s having on our country’s security.

11. How unpatriotic can you get?

12. A DNI should not be using the media to do the President's political errands.
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detbuch
10-19-2020, 04:13 PM
1. The fact that the DNI is abusing all instruments of his power and serving as a trump campaign surrogate is a metaphor for how Trump has treated intelligence from day 1: as PR material.

That’s not just un-intelligent it’s dangerous.

2. Why you may ask? Well for starters we have no reason to believe that the DNI is forthcoming about threats / assessments that don’t jibe w Trump’s political needs. Censoring intel to assuage Trump’s ego means policy makers and the public may not get a full picture.

3. Plus he has trumped up material that suits Trump’s TPs - even when it should have a Russian warning label attached.

4. Collection priorities may be skewed toward what Trump needs for his campaign machine vs what we need to keep us safe

5. And assessments that don’t match Trump’s spin machines needs may be censored or neutered.

6. The DNI talking about politics is just a signal to the world that all “intel” has a political filter permanently applied under this President.

7. Our intel partners probably don’t trust Ratcliffe bc he’s looks like Trump’s political errand boy - they won’t want to put their own sources and methods at Risk

8. Our adversaries likely think if they can put out “Intel” that suits Trumps campaign needs Ratcliffe will release it / elevate it even if it’s part of a disinfo attack

9. This gross politicization of intel could turn off qualified Americans from applying to serve in the IC. And it could lead existing IC personnel to leave.

10. It appears that Ratcliffe doesn’t care about the adverse effects he’s having on our country’s security.

11. How unpatriotic can you get?

12. A DNI should not be using the media to do the President's political errands.


This is all your piled on conjecture and accusation.

spence
10-19-2020, 04:20 PM
He said the laptop is “in the jurisdiction of the FBI” and the Bureau’s investigation “is not centered around Russian disinformation and the intelligence community is not playing any role with respect to that.”
Why would the DNI be answering questions about the FBI that the FBI wouldn't even answer?

detbuch
10-19-2020, 04:46 PM
Why would the DNI be answering questions about the FBI that the FBI wouldn't even answer?

The FBI’s intelligence activities are overseen by the Director of National Intelligence. What question are you referring to?

detbuch
10-19-2020, 05:20 PM
Google is easy

50 U.S.C. § 403-3a


That doesn't say, as you claimed, that he must be a "career Intelligence Community civil servant." It does say he should have extensive intelligence experience, which he doesn't seem to have, but the Senate was satisfied that he did. In any event, he would know what the intel says about the emails.

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 05:51 PM
The Trumplican Senate confirmed him, afraid of San angry tweet from the head victim.
Notice that they are now starting to claim they secretly disagreed with him.
Worse than rats
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Jim in CT
10-19-2020, 07:34 PM
The Trumplican Senate confirmed him, afraid of San angry tweet from the head victim.
Notice that they are now starting to claim they secretly disagreed with him.
Worse than rats
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if the democrats and the media had evidence it was a russian plot, that would prove that the head of NI is lying. so what aren’t any of them sharing any of the evidence?

here’s biden spokesperson saying that no one on the campaign is saying the emails are inauthentic. the campaign doesn’t have to say that. democrats and the media are saying it for them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOs22GI1rH0
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detbuch
10-19-2020, 08:09 PM
if the democrats and the media had evidence it was a russian plot, that would prove that the head of NI is lying. so what aren’t any of them sharing any of the evidence?

here’s biden spokesperson saying that no one on the campaign is saying the emails are inauthentic. the campaign doesn’t have to say that. democrats and the media are saying it for them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOs22GI1rH0


Again, they use the "just say it" method. Just saying it is the proof. And when you can combine that with the "kill the messenger" ploy, that's a double whammy faux proof.

Pete F.
10-19-2020, 09:07 PM
Well emails worked last time, why not try that again
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Pete F.
10-19-2020, 09:20 PM
Besides, this is the reality: Tweety has lost all contact with reality. He is consumed by paranoia, rage, fear, and a massive feeling of failure so anything goes.
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detbuch
10-19-2020, 10:31 PM
Besides, this is the reality: Tweety has lost all contact with reality. He is consumed by paranoia, rage, fear, and a massive feeling of failure so anything goes.


Actually, this is more like projection than reality.

detbuch
10-19-2020, 10:32 PM
Well emails worked last time, why not try that again
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Apparently, there are more coming out soon.

wdmso
10-20-2020, 05:05 AM
if the democrats and the media had evidence it was a russian plot, that would prove that the head of NI is lying. so what aren’t any of them sharing any of the evidence?

here’s biden spokesperson saying that no one on the campaign is saying the emails are inauthentic. the campaign doesn’t have to say that. democrats and the media are saying it for them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOs22GI1rH0
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Classic blame the media.. burden of proof jim you have none and haver never had any.. yet we have lots of proof the man who runs the post gave trump campaign 75mil
We know Giuliani has been feeding Trump with russian supplied info.. seems these emails as well. But i get it by any means nessarary, honor decency respect eithic once were republicans ideals .. not any more i guess what Obama said was spot on they cling to religion ( minus it teachings. You've showedus that. )and guns.
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 06:03 AM
Well emails worked last time, why not try that again
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again, biden’s campaign is t saying it’s not hunters laptop, they aren’t saying the emails aren’t authentic.

does it suggest anything tonyou that the media and elected democrats are saying it’s a russian smear campaign, worth zero evidence?

you whine that we’re saying emails again. no can whine that your side is playing the russia card again, can’t i?

what’s the evidence that this is russian smear?
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 06:04 AM
Classic blame the media.. burden of proof jim you have none and haver never had any.. yet we have lots of proof the man who runs the post gave trump campaign 75mil
We know Giuliani has been feeding Trump with russian supplied info.. seems these emails as well. But i get it by any means nessarary, honor decency respect eithic once were republicans ideals .. not any more i guess what Obama said was spot on they cling to religion ( minus it teachings. You've showedus that. )and guns.
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wayne, are you denying that the media is saying this is a russian hoax? that’s whet they’re saying. and there’s zero evidence. zip.
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Pete F.
10-20-2020, 07:00 AM
The problem for the GOP going forward is not Trump. Keep this in mind, a large majority of Trumplicans: don’t believe in evolution, don’t believe in climate change caused by human activity, support a ban on Muslims, and believe Christianity should be America’s national religion.
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 07:05 AM
The problem for the GOP going forward is not Trump. Keep this in mind, a large majority of Trumplicans: don’t believe in evolution, don’t believe in climate change caused by human activity, support a ban on Muslims, and believe Christianity should be America’s national religion.
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i guess that explains why republicans never win any elections.
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wdmso
10-20-2020, 12:20 PM
wayne, are you denying that the media is saying this is a russian hoax? that’s whet they’re saying. and there’s zero evidence. zip.
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Keep the deflection going ... So again you have no issue with Trump suggesting Barr should arrest Biden?

Or Fox News and Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) for suggesting without evidence that a laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden contained child pornography.

Like i said they've Republicans and apparently you as well have abandoned any moral high ground and self respect and have gone all in on conspiracy theories its all they have.. 😥
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scottw
10-20-2020, 01:32 PM
Like i said they've Republicans and apparently you as well have abandoned any moral high ground

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so are you saying(again?) the republicans and jim...previous to this...occupied the moral high ground?

Pete F.
10-20-2020, 02:59 PM
Giuliani: Even if Hunter Laptop Story ‘Isn’t Accurate,’ Americans ‘Are Entitled to Know It’

So when they shout "fake news" at a story, they're really acknowledging that they want in on the action.
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spence
10-20-2020, 03:08 PM
Giuliani: Even if Hunter Laptop Story ‘Isn’t Accurate,’ Americans ‘Are Entitled to Know It’

So when they shout "fake news" at a story, they're really acknowledging that they want in on the action.
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Pete, when exactly did you stop beating your wife?

Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 03:21 PM
Giuliani: Even if Hunter Laptop Story ‘Isn’t Accurate,’ Americans ‘Are Entitled to Know It’

So when they shout "fake news" at a story, they're really acknowledging that they want in on the action.
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Except no one has offered a speck of evidence that the laptop isn't his. I posted a video of someone from Biden's campaign, and she admitted that the campaign isn't saying the emails are inauthentic.

It was the Russians. Again.

Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 03:21 PM
Pete, when exactly did you stop beating your wife?

Again, the Biden campaign has said explicitly, that they aren't denying that the emails are genuine. That means nothing to you?

Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 03:23 PM
Pete, when exactly did you stop beating your wife?

equally absurd, why didn't Trump disavow white supremacists at Charlottesville? Unless he's supposed to do it, literally, in every sentence. Because yes, there were specific sentences where he didn't disavow white supremacists. But in his Charlottesville remarks, he disavowed white supremacists very clearly. Years later, the media is still beating that drum.

Pete F.
10-20-2020, 03:34 PM
One upshot of impeachment, I think, is that it inoculated a lot of folks to whatever they were trying to do here with the “laptop”

Now tell us about the candidate whose kids stole from cancer victims and vets, also known as suckers and losers
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scottw
10-20-2020, 03:40 PM
It was the Russians. Again.



if biden wins...I will get up and get to work the next day...I think a lot of these guys are gonna need a few personal days if trump wins:jester:

spence
10-20-2020, 04:26 PM
Except no one has offered a speck of evidence that the laptop isn't his. I posted a video of someone from Biden's campaign, and she admitted that the campaign isn't saying the emails are inauthentic.

It was the Russians. Again.
Seems why so many intel experts are saying this reeks of a Russian operation. Hack Biden's emails, manipulate whatever you want and then plant them on a random laptop that just happens to be sent in for repair and suddenly exposed.

That you're taking any of this seriously is disturbing Jim.

Got Stripers
10-20-2020, 04:26 PM
if biden wins...I will get up and get to work the next day...I think a lot of these guys are gonna need a few personal days if trump wins:jester:

Yup I will have either golf, fish, maybe break out the chain saw and do some carving, or gets some beds or mulch piles turned over with the tiller; won’t miss a beat. Pete however might need therapy he seems to be close to the edge.
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 04:32 PM
Seems why so many intel experts are saying this reeks of a Russian operation. Hack Biden's emails, manipulate whatever you want and then plant them on a random laptop that just happens to be sent in for repair and suddenly exposed.

That you're taking any of this seriously is disturbing Jim.

Quoting "anonymous sources". Very convincing. The one intelligence guy to come forward, the director, says it's all crap. And if ANYONE had evidence showing he was wrong, they'd release it to clear Biden and make him look like a liar. There's a reason why every source is anonymous, and not one speck of evidence has been released.

"That you're taking any of this seriously is disturbing Jim"

When the Biden campaign says no one is saying the emails aren't authentic, how do you spin that in your favor, exactly?

detbuch
10-20-2020, 04:54 PM
Seems why so many intel experts are saying this reeks of a Russian operation. Hack Biden's emails, manipulate whatever you want and then plant them on a random laptop that just happens to be sent in for repair and suddenly exposed.

That you're taking any of this seriously is disturbing Jim.

You took "The Dossier" seriously. You take the Russia collusion nonsense seriously. You take the lie that Trump is a racist and never condemned white supremacy seriously.

And we're supposed to take your "seems" scenario seriously?

Got Stripers
10-20-2020, 05:05 PM
Wow a crappie fisherman has spoken, drunk on cool aid of course but amusing posts to put a smile on our faces.
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detbuch
10-20-2020, 05:24 PM
Wow a crappie fisherman has spoken, drunk on cool aid of course but amusing posts to put a smile on our faces.

I'm drunk on making you smile. I'm a very nice and caring crappie fisherman person. I'm happy that you're amused. Mission accomplished. I'll be doing more to make you happy. But don't read it.

Pete F.
10-20-2020, 06:37 PM
Yup I will have either golf, fish, maybe break out the chain saw and do some carving, or gets some beds or mulch piles turned over with the tiller; won’t miss a beat. Pete however might need therapy he seems to be close to the edge.
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Don’t worry about me, I’ve played golf all but about 5 days not counting when it was closed for COVID, fish a little bit each week though the rivers were low and hot this summer and now my decoys are in the river in my backyard and early muzzleloader starts next week then rifle season, I have plenty to do without worrying about people foolish enough to support Covita, who it looks like has obstructed justice, engaged in witness tampering, and committed campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud. So.
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 06:41 PM
fbi has the laptop, saying russia has nothing to do with it.
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wdmso
10-20-2020, 07:30 PM
fbi has the laptop, saying russia has nothing to do with it.
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Just like i said before you dont care about legality.. what crime was committed for the FBI to seize this lap top

The man, John Paul Mac Isaac, said he has a condition that affects his vision and “can’t be 100% sure” it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer for repair. The Wilmington shop owner said he contacted the FBI out of concern, 2 weeks before elections ya ok
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spence
10-20-2020, 08:04 PM
fbi has the laptop, saying russia has nothing to do with it.
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Did the FBI say that?
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detbuch
10-20-2020, 08:13 PM
Did the FBI say that?


Yes. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-doj-agree-hunter-biden-emails-were-not-russia-disinformation/vi-BB1aepuJ

spence
10-20-2020, 08:39 PM
Yes. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-doj-agree-hunter-biden-emails-were-not-russia-disinformation/vi-BB1aepuJ
That’s not the FBI saying that.
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 08:44 PM
Just like i said before you dont care about legality.. what crime was committed for the FBI to seize this lap top

The man, John Paul Mac Isaac, said he has a condition that affects his vision and “can’t be 100% sure” it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer for repair. The Wilmington shop owner said he contacted the FBI out of concern, 2 weeks before elections ya ok
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lots of democrats said the russians were behind it all. did you forget that already? wouldn’t that be in
the purview of the fbi?

you’re not a partisan hack, no sir.
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 08:44 PM
Did the FBI say that?
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yes. i’m
sure you’ve already dismissed it, right?
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Jim in CT
10-20-2020, 08:46 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-purported-hunter-biden-laptop-sources
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detbuch
10-20-2020, 08:50 PM
That’s not the FBI saying that.
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A Federal Official (anonymous) source said the FBI concurred. After all the anonymous sources that the NYT and WAPO and CNN and NBC, etc. etc. used to give us information on Trump and which you, et al. gleefully accepted and relayed to the forum, after all that, NOW, we must doubt and dismiss?

Pete F.
10-20-2020, 10:15 PM
Donald Trump—auditioning for a job in which he must stand up to Vladimir Putin, Recep Erdogan, Abdel el-Sisi, Kim Jong Un, Mohammed bin Salman, Mohammad bin Zayed, ISIS and enemies of the US around the world—has just announced that Lesley Stahl vanquished him with tough questions
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scottw
10-21-2020, 02:38 AM
Donald Trump—auditioning for a job in which he must stand up to Vladimir Putin, Recep Erdogan, Abdel el-Sisi, Kim Jong Un, Mohammed bin Salman, Mohammad bin Zayed, ISIS and enemies of the US around the world—has just announced that Lesley Stahl vanquished him with tough questions
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I'n sure he's tired of stupid questions...


Trump nominated a third time for Nobel Peace Prize

Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 06:14 AM
A Federal Official (anonymous) source said the FBI concurred. After all the anonymous sources that the NYT and WAPO and CNN and NBC, etc. etc. used to give us information on Trump and which you, et al. gleefully accepted and relayed to the forum, after all that, NOW, we must doubt and dismiss?

yes. now the story looks bad for a democrat, so now we must dismiss.

until yesterday afternoon, the libs here took anonymous sources as god’s word. instantly,?now they are dismissed as lies. funny how that works. and very principled too.
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Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 06:32 AM
Donald Trump—auditioning for a job in which he must stand up to Vladimir Putin, Recep Erdogan, Abdel el-Sisi, Kim Jong Un, Mohammed bin Salman, Mohammad bin Zayed, ISIS and enemies of the US around the world—has just announced that Lesley Stahl vanquished him with tough questions
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He has to expect tough questions, after all, a reporter asked Biden what flavor milk shake he ordered. Fair is fair.

The Dad Fisherman
10-21-2020, 06:54 AM
yes. now the story looks bad for a democrat, so now we must dismiss.

until yesterday afternoon, the libs here took anonymous sources as god’s word. instantly,?now they are dismissed as lies. funny how that works. and very principled too.
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I think the term they like is "Whistle Blower"
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Pete F.
10-21-2020, 06:55 AM
HUNTER BIDEN HEADED THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAM & IT WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE! When Biden’s son fed the poor, trump’s kids were looting a charity. trump spent lots of time & resources (even extorted Ukraine) to discredit Hunter Biden.
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Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 06:57 AM
HUNTER BIDEN HEADED THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAM & IT WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE! When Biden’s son fed the poor, trump’s kids were looting a charity. trump spent lots of time & resources (even extorted Ukraine) to discredit Hunter Biden.
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waaah! but trump!

what are you going to do, if trump somehow wins?
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wdmso
10-21-2020, 07:28 AM
Trump maintains bank account in China,

But but Hunter the boy whos not running for President :kewl:

wdmso
10-21-2020, 07:43 AM
lots of democrats said the russians were behind it all. did you forget that already? wouldn’t that be in
the purview of the fbi?

you’re not a partisan hack, no sir.
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Still Never answered the question what crime was committed for the fbi to seize the computer and how does a blind guy who cant see the customer see whats on the hard drive , funny also when was the dropped off to be fixed? What date. Did the blind man say Oh look what I found an October surprise that I have had in my shop for 5 years ? A fetus has enough common sense to find that curious but you and other Trump enablers only see Truth.. why because its packaged as a conspericy no thinking required




Ps if I give you my computer to fix it , why is a blind guy going thru this computer reading emails and supposedly looking at photos..?

A partisan hack supports illegal actions to find dirt ..

My thoughts wouldn't change on the if if was don Jr's #^&#^&#^&#^& being stole and missed used , if its his at this point i doubt it..and again if it is it would be inadmissible in any court in America,


But please keep ignoring the real truth in America Covid is running wild we still have no better testing or a handle on its spread and the man at the Top dosen't care :kewl:

scottw
10-21-2020, 08:00 AM
But please keep ignoring the real truth in America Covid is running wild we still have no better testing or a handle on its spread

:

what?

scottw
10-21-2020, 08:01 AM
Still Never answered the question what crime was committed for the fbi to seize the computer and how does a blind guy who cant see the customer see whats on the hard drive , funny also when was the dropped off to be fixed? What date. Did the blind man say Oh look what I found an October surprise that I have had in my shop for 5 years ? A fetus has enough common sense to find that curious but you and other Trump enablers only see Truth.. why because its packaged as a conspericy no thinking required




Ps if I give you my computer to fix it , why is a blind guy going thru this computer reading emails and supposedly looking at photos..?

A partisan hack supports illegal actions to find dirt ..

My thoughts wouldn't change on the if if was don Jr's #^&#^&#^&#^& being stole and missed used , if its his at this point i doubt it..and again if it is it would be inadmissible in any court in America,


But please keep ignoring the real truth in America Covid is running wild we still have no better testing or a handle on its spread and the man at the Top dosen't care :kewl:

guess I should have read all of this...



what?? :rotf2:

Pete F.
10-21-2020, 08:29 AM
Where did the $17.5 million that magically appeared in Trump’s secret Chinese bank account after he became president come from?

Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 08:35 AM
Still Never answered the question what crime was committed for the fbi to seize the computer and how does a blind guy who cant see the customer see whats on the hard drive , funny also when was the dropped off to be fixed? What date. Did the blind man say Oh look what I found an October surprise that I have had in my shop for 5 years ? A fetus has enough common sense to find that curious but you and other Trump enablers only see Truth.. why because its packaged as a conspericy no thinking required




Ps if I give you my computer to fix it , why is a blind guy going thru this computer reading emails and supposedly looking at photos..?

A partisan hack supports illegal actions to find dirt ..

My thoughts wouldn't change on the if if was don Jr's #^&#^&#^&#^& being stole and missed used , if its his at this point i doubt it..and again if it is it would be inadmissible in any court in America,


But please keep ignoring the real truth in America Covid is running wild we still have no better testing or a handle on its spread and the man at the Top dosen't care :kewl:

"Still Never answered the question what crime was committed for the fbi to seize the computer "

I did answer the question. I think it's within the FBIs purview, to investigate claims (even made-up claims) that Russia is meddling in our politics.

What crime was committed by Carter Page to justify the FBI getting a FISA warrant to spy on him?

"Oh look what I found an October surprise that I have had in my shop for 5 years ? A fetus has enough common sense to find that curious "

How come the Biden campaign isn't denying any of it?

"Ps if I give you my computer to fix it , why is a blind guy going thru this computer reading emails "

Ask the computer guy. That doesn't mean the emails are inauthentic.

So here is your response to this potential influence-selling scandal...

Joe and Hunter may have profited from selling influence...WDMSO: No, the Russians made it up.

The FBI says there is no evidence of Russian involvement...WDMSO: that's not the FBIs job. Therefore, somehow, it's not possible they are correct when they say the Russkies weren't behind it.

The laptop appears to actually be Hunters, and the Biden campaign isn't disputing the legitimacy of the emails...WDMSO: Can't be, because why was the computer guy looking at the emails?

No matter what the news is, you thoughtlessly and reflexively deny everything that makes Biden look bad, and immediately embrace anything that exonerates him.

Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 08:36 AM
guess I should have read all of this...



what?? :rotf2:

seriously...

wdmso
10-21-2020, 10:46 AM
" immediately embrace anything that exonerates him.

Really the Senate all ready found nothing ,GOP investigation in an attempt to harm Joseph Biden’s presidential campaign blew a fuse. There was no evidence of corruption or wrongdoing.


but that wasn't enough so this magically appears. ... its not defending hunter is call BS on typical scummy Republicans who can help themselves slinging mud because they don't have a message ... so the resort the same old same old and the avg American isn't buying jt.. how ever the mindless base loves it

RIROCKHOUND
10-21-2020, 10:53 AM
So...
If the laptop was in possession of the FBI since December, was it (or any emails etc..) not given to the Senate Homeland Security and Finance committee?
I am asking, because that report came out a month or so back....

This plot line would seem ridiculous in a movie at this point...*

Maybe they are making Enemy of the State 2 staring Rudy and 'Blind Mac'


(*None of the above is excusing Hunter for being a crackhead POS...)

scottw
10-21-2020, 10:58 AM
So...
If the laptop was in possession of the FBI since December...



this is going to get much, much better....well, maybe not for the biden crime family...just be patient

ps....these are much more credible and likely that the kavanaugh allegations

Pete F.
10-21-2020, 11:08 AM
Recently DNI Ratcliffe asserted that Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. But Radcliffe misses the point. It is part of Russia’s efforts to interfere in the election.

Let me explain.

This is what we know as fact:

1) Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump.

2) Russia never stopped trying to undermine our democracy and to support Trump.

3) Russia is trying to interfere in the 2020 election to support Trump. Ratcliffe’s own agency said so.

4) Russia, at war with Ukraine, has been promoting a disinformation campaign to smear Joe and Hunter Biden with bogus allegations related to Ukraine.

5) Giuliani and Trump latched onto this sham allegation and tried to extort Ukraine to announce an investig into the Bidens.

6) Trump was impeached over this abuse of power, and the impeachment definitively determined that Biden acted appropriately at all times.

7) Yet Giuliani continued to promote this disinformation campaign, and coordinated his efforts with a known Russian agent.

8) Trump was informed of Russia’s efforts to use Giuliani to promote disinformation to interfere in the election and he did nothing, welcoming the assistance.

9) Giuliani is the source of the Hunter Biden laptop.

10) Giuliani and Trump allies point to the contents of the laptop to support the bogus allegations against the Bidens promoted by Russia and its agent working with Giuliani.

11) The laptop does not support those allegations, which are still — and will always be — false.

12) The laptop is therefore part and parcel of Russia’s disinformation campaign designed to illegally interfere in the 2020 election in support of Trump.

RIROCKHOUND
10-21-2020, 11:09 AM
this is going to get much, much better....well, maybe not for the biden crime family...just be patient

ps....these are much more credible and likely that the kavanaugh allegations

Is it?
So did the FBI or Rudy not give it to the Senate investigation? Seems like it would have been key evidence for the FBI to provide the Senate Homeland Security and Finance committee... Maybe, you know deep state... There was a chance to charge Hunter right then and there and maybe even embarrass Joe (or worse) 2-months before the election.

It makes me sad to see what Rudy has become after his great work following 9/11.

Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 12:09 PM
Really the Senate all ready found nothing ,GOP investigation in an attempt to harm Joseph Biden’s presidential campaign blew a fuse. There was no evidence of corruption or wrongdoing.


but that wasn't enough so this magically appears. ... its not defending hunter is call BS on typical scummy Republicans who can help themselves slinging mud because they don't have a message ... so the resort the same old same old and the avg American isn't buying jt.. how ever the mindless base loves it

the senate investigated the emails on the laptop? when?
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wdmso
10-21-2020, 02:15 PM
the senate investigated the emails on the laptop? when?
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See rockhounds post and Jim if they found nothing aka illegal money transfers or actual meeting with Joe Biden or were they able to hide that .. but you think theses emails equal smoking Gun ? Keep at it:faga:

Meanwhile

Comrade Trump’: Jokes rife regarding Donald Trump’s tax payments to China on Chinese social media

Jim in CT
10-21-2020, 03:32 PM
See rockhounds post and Jim if they found nothing aka illegal money transfers or actual meeting with Joe Biden or were they able to hide that .. but you think theses emails equal smoking Gun ? Keep at it:faga:

Meanwhile

Comrade Trump’: Jokes rife regarding Donald Trump’s tax payments to China on Chinese social media

I saw his post. I didn't know the Senate investigated the laptop.

Wayne, your defense/excuse changes daily.

It's all fake. It's not his laptop. It was the Russians. Trump also is bad. The Senate already looked into the laptop. No smoking gun.

The fact that his son is a coked up weirdo with no experience in Ukraine, who got rich there while his daddy was VP and the point man in our policy in Ukraine, is a coincidence. Of all places Hunter could have gotten a high paying gig, it had to be (1) in the Ukraine, and (2) while his dad was the point man for our policy there.

Of all the countries in the world, its a coincidence that Hunter got rich in the one country where VP Biden was point man?

Heck of a coincidence.

Add "harmless coincidence" to your ever growing list of defenses.

PaulS
10-21-2020, 05:23 PM
The fact that his son is a coked up weirdo

I thought kids were off limits isn't that what you used to say constantly with the Palin kids?
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wdmso
10-21-2020, 05:28 PM
I saw his post. I didn't know the Senate investigated the laptop.

Wayne, your defense/excuse changes daily.

It's all fake. It's not his laptop. It was the Russians. Trump also is bad. The Senate already looked into the laptop. No smoking gun.

The fact that his son is a coked up weirdo with no experience in Ukraine, who got rich there while his daddy was VP and the point man in our policy in Ukraine, is a coincidence. Of all places Hunter could have gotten a high paying gig, it had to be (1) in the Ukraine, and (2) while his dad was the point man for our policy there.

Of all the countries in the world, its a coincidence that Hunter got rich in the one country where VP Biden was point man?

Heck of a coincidence.

Add "harmless coincidence" to your ever growing list of defenses.

If he was a republican you'd praise his initiative for getting paid.

Clearly he was making this money for years. But its a heck of a coincidence you now care 12 days before the election

Ps did hunter comment fraud. If people hired hunter to gain influence is that a crime ? If people asked hunter for meetings or favors is that a crime? Because no matter what he got paid and the intentions of who hired might have been nefarious

If Hunter Biden never provided the access and policy wasn't changed than their is no crime , its that easy


Russian Lawyer Says Trump Jr. Offered Her a Deal: Hillary Dirt for a Change to U.S. Law

See the difference :kewl: hunter never offered a thing JR did

Got Stripers
10-21-2020, 05:52 PM
Is Hunter running for President what did I miss?

wdmso
10-21-2020, 07:42 PM
Now he wants to Fire the FBI Director and not pleased with Barr
seem he's looking for someone who will arrest and plant evidence and lie as he does. Shocking

wdmso
10-21-2020, 08:11 PM
The fake/foreign emails told people to vote for Trump (I’ve seen them). DNI Ratcliffe (the guy who lied about prosecuting terrorism cases) said the fake emails ARE TRYING TO HURT TRUMP! This is disinformation from Ratcliffe designed to energize Trump’s base!

From a tweet



Shockingly this rushed DNI news conference came 30 min after Obamas speech

Got Stripers
10-21-2020, 08:33 PM
It is amazing how grown adults can so easily be sold these conspiracy theories. Today for me was a perfect example, getting paired with a couple cool aid drunken give me another conspiracy theory golfers. Of course it’s the last f*cking thing I want to hear on the golf course, like there isn’t enough politics. I had to bite my tongue listening to these two clowns absolutely convinced Covid is a political hoax and it will be gone after the November election. I can’t wait for these two weeks and this entire year to be behind us.

scottw
10-22-2020, 04:05 AM
It is amazing how grown adults can so easily be sold these conspiracy theories. Today for me was a perfect example, getting paired with a couple cool aid drunken give me another conspiracy theory golfers. Of course it’s the last f*cking thing I want to hear on the golf course, like there isn’t enough politics. I had to bite my tongue listening to these two clowns absolutely convinced Covid is a political hoax and it will be gone after the November election. I can’t wait for these two weeks and this entire year to be behind us.

I'm sure you had a lot to educate them about...:hihi:

Got Stripers
10-22-2020, 07:06 AM
I'm sure you had a lot to educate them about...:hihi:
Absolutely not when your that stupid it’s a lost cause. They would be the same type of idiots sitting shoulder to shoulder at a Trump super spreader rally. I say let evolution take care of that.

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 07:52 AM
It is amazing how grown adults can so easily be sold these conspiracy theories. .

Like the idea that the Russians are behind Hunter's laptop?

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 07:58 AM
I thought kids were off limits isn't that what you used to say constantly with the Palin kids?
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Innocent kids who didn't ask to be a part of what their parents do, should be left out. If adult kids choose to get involved, they are fair game for fair reporting. That means Hunter, and it means Trumps older kids. Not sure how it can be explained simpler than that.

Plus, he said that Hunter wouldn't be stupid enough to drop off his laptop in Delaware. So his past is relevant as to whether or not it he can be called rational, and clearly he can't.

Hunter is a deeply broken person who nonetheless obviously made millions off his dads influence. I'm not saying it's a crime, I'm certainly not saying Joe Biden is the first or last one to do it. I'm saying it happened, and we shouldn't reflexively bury the story because Joe is a democrat. If you make a huge deal about Trump profiting, as many of you have, it's a wee bit hypocritical to ignore this.

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 08:01 AM
If he was a republican you'd praise his initiative for getting paid.



You are desperate. And full of crap. I don't praise trump for potentially profiting inappropriately. I said all along, 100 times, he should have divested completely from his prior businesses.

Good luck finding hypocrisy there.

The TDS gang hare has made a big deal about every single time there was a chance Trump profited from his office. You've expressed a lot of concern about that. But you stick your head in the sand when the allegations are made about Biden.

You are the hypocrite. Not me.

Try. Making. That . Wrong.

You keep trying to make me out to be someone who can never criticize Trump. That makes you either a liar or an illiterate.

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 08:04 AM
Is Hunter running for President what did I miss?

The one who used his influence to enrich his son, is.

The Trump haters here have spent a lot of time expressing concern over the years, that the Trump family is personally cashing in on Trumps office. As a group, it's been a pretty big concern.

Yet when the same allegation is made against the Bidens, you stick your heads in the sand and circle the wagons.

If it's wrong when Trump does it, why isn't it wrong when Biden did it?

wdmso
10-22-2020, 08:04 AM
Like the idea that the Russians are behind Hunter's laptop?

I think he was referring to adults like you who think the laptop and its magical appearance is legit

Questions The DNI could figure out those emails sent to voter were from Iran in a week. Yet this laptop been in FBI possession for how long?? and all thats out there is conjecture and all the (SOURCES) have only sopke and sent info to FOX :kewl:

PaulS
10-22-2020, 08:06 AM
Innocent kids who didn't ask to be a part of what their parents do, should be left out. If adult kids choose to get involved, they are fair game for fair reporting. That means Hunter, and it means Trumps older kids. Not sure how it can be explained simpler than that.

Plus, he said that Hunter wouldn't be stupid enough to drop off his laptop in Delaware. So his past is relevant as to whether or not it he can be called rational, and clearly he can't.

Hunter is a deeply broken person who nonetheless obviously made millions off his dads influence. I'm not saying it's a crime, I'm certainly not saying Joe Biden is the first or last one to do it. I'm saying it happened, and we shouldn't reflexively bury the story because Joe is a democrat. If you make a huge deal about Trump profiting, as many of you have, it's a wee bit hypocritical to ignore this.

You're a hypocrite. I couldn't even recognize Hunter and don't think I've ever seen a quote from him.

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 08:12 AM
I think he was referring to adults like you who think the laptop and its magical appearance is legit

Questions The DNI could figure out those emails sent to voter were from Iran in a week. Yet this laptop been in FBI possession for how long?? and all thats out there is conjecture and all the (SOURCES) have only sopke and sent info to FOX :kewl:

Again, I posted a video of a Biden spokeswoman, saying explicitly that the Biden campaign isn't denying the authenticity of the emails. You are saying things that even the Biden campaign isn't saying.

PaulS
10-22-2020, 08:13 AM
And for everyone who quotes the FBI statement on the computer it would be nice to see the whole statement.


By not disputing accusations leveled by Democrats and some former intelligence officials that the laptop's late-season reveal could be another form of foreign election interference, the FBI gave tacit support to the idea that the emails in question are genuine. But the bureau's letter to Johnson was not that explicit, noting the criticism leveled by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz over Comey's actions in 2016.

The FBI "can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation or persons or entities under investigation, including to Members of Congress," Tuesday's letter from Assistant Director Jill Tyson said. "As the Inspector General firmly reminded the Department and the FBI in recent years, this policy is designed to preserve the integrity of all Justice Department investigations and the Department's ability to effectively administer justice without political or other undue outside influences

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 08:16 AM
You're a hypocrite. I couldn't even recognize Hunter and don't think I've ever seen a quote from him.

Jim: If adult children choose to get involved, it's fair to accurately cover them. That holds true for Hunter Biden and for Trumps kids.

Paul: You're a hypocrite.

That makes all kinds of sense Paul.

"I couldn't even recognize Hunter"

He's too busy flying on Air Force II with Dad to shake down foreign oligarchs.

"don't think I've ever seen a quote from him"

He's not all that bright or articulate.

You're saying that because Hunter isn't on TV, that means hes a private citizen disconnected from his dads scrutiny?

How do you explain the fact that of all the countries on the globe, Hunter gets a hugely lucrative board spot for which he had no practical experience, in the one country where Joe was our nation's point man? You can tell us that's a coincidence?

"Of all the gin joints in all the world, she has to walk into mine..."

scottw
10-22-2020, 08:23 AM
this is REALLY bad for biden inc.

scottw
10-22-2020, 08:26 AM
sorry...I meant..."the big guy"

wdmso
10-22-2020, 08:45 AM
You are desperate. And full of crap. I don't praise trump for potentially profiting inappropriately. I said all along, 100 times, he should have divested completely from his prior businesses.

Good luck finding hypocrisy there.

The TDS gang hare has made a big deal about every single time there was a chance Trump profited from his office. You've expressed a lot of concern about that. But you stick your head in the sand when the allegations are made about Biden.

You are the hypocrite. Not me.

Try. Making. That . Wrong.

You keep trying to make me out to be someone who can never criticize Trump. That makes you either a liar or an illiterate.

Your criticism carry no weight and have no credibility. When it comes to Trump , any criticism you present is layered with excuse

Here an example
big deal about every single time there was a chance Trump profited from his office

Jim its not a chance its happening Trump has made 500 visits to his properties while in office

Again what law did hunter Break if no meeting happened ( Shouldn't be hard VP has a historic record of where and who he meets with ) and what was bought seeing the VP doesn't do policy and has no power to do so .. oh wait this has already be looked into and the bipartisan committee found no evidence of wrong doing

So in. A normal world not your conspiracies laden world , an email would come 1st maybe several with times and places and expectations of the one providing the meeting and the expectations of the one requesting the meeting..

Then there would be an email or phone arrangement, the who what where and when details

Lastly would be the actual meeting and then the change in policy

JIM even if the emails are legit , no meetings ever happen no policy was charged

the extent to which Hunter Biden's role on Burisma's board affected U.S. policy toward Ukraine is not clear. " guess they couldn't commit to use we couldn't find any evidence. PS stolen emails ain't evidence id love to see the chain of custody of that laptop and these supposed emails

wdmso
10-22-2020, 08:56 AM
Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who appear to be linked to an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.”


So the Senate report can find hookers. But not meetings or no influence sold for favors


But but these emails are a game changer ya ��

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 09:04 AM
sorry...I meant..."the big guy"

c'mon, man!

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 09:06 AM
Your criticism carry no weight and have no credibility. When it comes to Trump , any criticism you present is layered with excuse

Here an example
big deal about every single time there was a chance Trump profited from his office

Jim its not a chance its happening Trump has made 500 visits to his properties while in office

Again what law did hunter Break if no meeting happened ( Shouldn't be hard VP has a historic record of where and who he meets with ) and what was bought seeing the VP doesn't do policy and has no power to do so .. oh wait this has already be looked into and the bipartisan committee found no evidence of wrong doing

So in. A normal world not your conspiracies laden world , an email would come 1st maybe several with times and places and expectations of the one providing the meeting and the expectations of the one requesting the meeting..

Then there would be an email or phone arrangement, the who what where and when details

Lastly would be the actual meeting and then the change in policy

JIM even if the emails are legit , no meetings ever happen no policy was charged

the extent to which Hunter Biden's role on Burisma's board affected U.S. policy toward Ukraine is not clear. " guess they couldn't commit to use we couldn't find any evidence. PS stolen emails ain't evidence id love to see the chain of custody of that laptop and these supposed emails

"Trump has made 500 visits to his properties while in office"

I don't defend it. If it's illegal, throw him out and arrest him. But I fit's wrong for his family to profit from his holding elected office, isn't it also wrong for Biden's family to profit from him holding elected office?

Jim in CT
10-22-2020, 09:08 AM
But but these emails are a game changer ya ��

I never said that. I assume most of them at that level, have no morals and will look to get rich if they can. And I keep saying Trump gets creamed in November.

But the emails are yet another example of the endless hypocrisy that exists on both sides, but the majority of the media doesn't cover things up to help republicans.

Pete F.
10-22-2020, 09:22 AM
“Trump is collapsing and his allies of convenience are panicked. Now is when you turn a victory into a rout. We are all tired, but the other side isn’t just tired. They are frightened and confused. Because they are losing the fight...Victory is near.”
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wdmso
10-22-2020, 01:19 PM
"Trump has made 500 visits to his properties while in office"

I don't defend it. If it's illegal, throw him out and arrest him. But I fit's wrong for his family to profit from his holding elected office, isn't it also wrong for Biden's family to profit from him holding elected office?

There you go again
I don't defend it. If it's illegal, throw him out and arrest him


Why don't you afford biden the same courtesy

TRUMP using his properties for gain is not remotely the same as what you suggest Hunter has done.. it still amazes me your abilities to twist 2 different issues into one suggesting they are. Equivalent :sleeps:

scottw
10-22-2020, 01:29 PM
Donald Trump—auditioning for a job in which he must stand up to Vladimir Putin, Recep Erdogan, Abdel el-Sisi, Kim Jong Un, Mohammed bin Salman, Mohammad bin Zayed, ISIS and enemies of the US around the world—has just announced that Lesley Stahl vanquished him with tough questions
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is biden going to need a 5 day nap prior to every time he has to stand up to a foreign leader... if he happens to get elected?....asking for the nation

detbuch
10-22-2020, 07:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiSq7toqlQ

scottw
10-22-2020, 10:38 PM
^^^...wow...not even an unnamed anonymous source speaking on conditions of anonymity....an actual partner of biden inc. :hihi:...hope he can avoid getting hillaried


wait....I thought this was all russian disinformation? he doesn't sound russian





....

spence
10-23-2020, 05:38 AM
Wait was this the dubious plot for Biden to sell pillows and sheets?

I see even the Wall Street Journal has debunked the above Trump scam.
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RIROCKHOUND
10-23-2020, 05:57 AM
Wait was this the dubious plot for Biden to sell pillows and sheets?

I see even the Wall Street Journal has debunked the above Trump scam.
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Simpler than that. If there was any ‘there’ the GOP lapdogs in the Senate would be running full bore with investigations heading in to the election.
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PaulS
10-23-2020, 07:49 AM
I think Trump won the debate last night because he didn't have a temper tantrum. I wonder if they promised him extra ice cream if he didn't lose his temper too bad or mocked Biden's stuttering.
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wdmso
10-23-2020, 08:18 AM
Bobulinski, who will be a guest of President Trump at the debate

Hows that work? Witness tampering? Any credibility just flew out the window.

And only State Tv is running this and only Fox has been given suposed documents ? Why?

And dont for get hand in pants Rudy
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Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 08:18 AM
I think Trump won the debate last night because he didn't have a temper tantrum. I wonder if they promised him extra ice cream if he didn't lose his temper too bad or mocked Biden's stuttering.
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Looks to me like he needed to win big and didn't quite do that. I can't see a path to victory for him. But I said the same thing in 2016. So who knows.

Have a good weekend Paul.

Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 08:20 AM
Bobulinski, who will be a guest of President Trump at the debate

Hows that work? Witness tampering? Any credibility just flew out the window.

And only State Tv is running this and only Fox has been given suposed documents ? Why?
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The democrats invited Alysa Milano to sit in the front row of the gallery during the Kavanaugh hearings, Wayne. It's a juvenile, shock tactic to be sure, but obviously it doesn't imply witness tampering.

"And only State Tv is running this and only Fox has been given suposed documents ? "

Is that the case? Or are no other networks asking for anything, because they have zero interest in covering the story?

spence
10-23-2020, 08:32 AM
The democrats invited Alysa Milano to sit in the front row of the gallery during the Kavanaugh hearings, Wayne. It's a juvenile, shock tactic to be sure, but obviously it doesn't imply witness tampering.

"And only State Tv is running this and only Fox has been given suposed documents ? "

Is that the case? Or are no other networks asking for anything, because they have zero interest in covering the story?
I know at least the NYT has asked and been denied.

Just watched the Rudy scene. Even if it is edited for maximum impact it’s still pretty bad.
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Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 08:42 AM
I know at least the NYT has asked and been denied.

Just watched the Rudy scene. Even if it is edited for maximum impact it’s still pretty bad.
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They asked who? For what? I thought they saw enough files to conclude it was all a Russian hoax?

Rudy is a sad shadow of what he used to be, no question.

The guy who came forward yesterday is a formal naval officer who has repeatedly donated to democrats. It's not Sean Hannity making the accusation.

I don't know if any laws were broken, I assume most people (both parties) at this level will look to line their pockets where they can, it's too much temptation. To deny the likelihood that the Bidens did that, reveals blind partisan loyalty.

Spence, you really believe that of all the places on Earth where Hunter could have been given a cushy board position that he had no qualifications for, it's a coincidence that he ended up in Ukraine, where his father was our country's point man? You're saying that's just a coincidence? And all these other charges can't be true?

PaulS
10-23-2020, 09:02 AM
Looks to me like he needed to win big and didn't quite do that. I can't see a path to victory for him. But I said the same thing in 2016. So who knows.

Have a good weekend Paul.

I actually think the format was better for Trump yesterday. Thank you for the weekend wishes. I'm actually in Newport. You have a good weekend also.
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Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 09:12 AM
I actually think the format was better for Trump yesterday. Thank you for the weekend wishes. I'm actually in Newport. You have a good weekend also.
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I didn't watch a second, I hate the way Trump talks. He couldn't have done worse than the first. And interesting to have a debate after 35 million people have already voted.

Newport a great place to spend a warm fall weekend. Enjoy.

Nebe
10-23-2020, 09:54 AM
I didn't watch a second, I hate the way Trump talks. He couldn't have done worse than the first. And interesting to have a debate after 35 million people have already voted.

Newport a great place to spend a warm fall weekend. Enjoy.
I watched the debate last night. It was I believe the first time I have seen a glimmer of presidential behavior from the chitgibbon
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Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 09:58 AM
I watched the debate last night. It was I believe the first time I have seen a glimmer of presidential behavior from the chitgibbon
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I thought his last State Of The Union was by far the best I've seen him. It makes my skin crawl to watch him sometimes.

spence
10-23-2020, 09:58 AM
The guy who came forward yesterday is a formal naval officer who has repeatedly donated to democrats. It's not Sean Hannity making the accusation.
It sounds like he's just miffed because Hunter tried to ink a deal without him.

I don't know if any laws were broken, I assume most people (both parties) at this level will look to line their pockets where they can, it's too much temptation. To deny the likelihood that the Bidens did that, reveals blind partisan loyalty.
I assume you mean your own?

Spence, you really believe that of all the places on Earth where Hunter could have been given a cushy board position that he had no qualifications for, it's a coincidence that he ended up in Ukraine, where his father was our country's point man? You're saying that's just a coincidence? And all these other charges can't be true?
Nobody is denying that Burisma was trying to hire prominent public figures to it's board. The white elephant in the room is that there's no evidence of anything illegal or unethical other than some bad optics by Hunter.

Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 10:02 AM
I assume you mean your own?


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Between the 2 of us, who has a history of praising and criticizing both sides? And which one praises their side 100% of the time?

spence
10-23-2020, 10:16 AM
Between the 2 of us, who has a history of praising and criticizing both sides? And which one praises their side 100% of the time?
I don't have a "side" I'm an American.

Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 10:30 AM
I don't have a "side" I'm an American.

Fine. Then I'll ask you for the tenth time, please list some major issues on which you think conservatives are 100% correct, and which you think liberals are 100% wrong.

You and Pete are the most blindly one-sided guys on this forum. I've heard everyone else occasionally praise and criticize both sides. Not you. You fit into the liberal box as perfectly as an idiot like Sean Hannity fits into the conservative box. You are the exact mirror image.

Prove me wrong. Rattle off some meaningful issues on which you think conservatives are 100% correct. Go ahead, mister "I don't have a side". Where the two parties fundamentally disagree, when have you ever sided with republicans?

spence
10-23-2020, 11:06 AM
Fine. Then I'll ask you for the tenth time, please list some major issues on which you think conservatives are 100% correct, and which you think liberals are 100% wrong.
I'm not sure you could find that many issues that 100% of conservatives agree with.

Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 11:27 AM
I'm not sure you could find that many issues that 100% of conservatives agree with.

Obviously you know what I meant, and couldn't come up with a single thing.

Pete F.
10-23-2020, 12:19 PM
As someone who’s been against Covita and Trumpism since he came down the escalator and I said he will destroy the Republican Party, I don’t have an agenda other than that he and his enablers go.
The resurrection of America will come later.

Here’s what Mona Charon wrote lately about Trump and conservativism
Donald Trump has a documented history of driving Americans away from the policies he favors. This is both good and bad.

As Catherine Rampell noted, the president has moved American public opinion toward greater approval of immigration. The percentage of Americans who said that immigration is good for the country bounced around in the 50s and 60s in the first decade and a half of this century. But since 2016, the trend has been up sharply. In 2020, 77 percent of Americans told Gallup that they think immigration is good for the country. Similarly, the percentage who believe that accepting refugees fleeing war or persecution should be a priority has increased from 62 percent in 2016 to 73 percent in 2019. As Linda Chavez has noted at The Bulwark, the U.S. led the world in refugee admissions for decades, but under Trump, the number of refugees has dropped to record lows. The president has set a ceiling of 18,000 for fiscal year 2020, down from 70,000 in 2001. We’ve come a long way from George W. Bush’s admirable insistence on admitting refugees even after 9/11.

Trump has also increased the appetite for government involvement in health care. Since embarking on his quest for the presidency, Trump has denounced the Affordable Care Act, but only because he promised something superior. His specific policy proposal for replacing the law was something “terrific,” “phenomenal,” and “fantastic.” In February of 2017, having been in office a few weeks, Trump tweeted “repeal and replacement of ObamaCare is coming fast!” At the end of March, with negotiations bogging down, he pleaded for more time.

I never said repeal and replace Obamacare. You’ve all heard my speeches. I never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. [He said 100 days.] I have a long time. But I want to have a great health care bill and plan, and we will. It will happen. And it won’t be in the very distant future.
It didn’t happen. The Republicans shrugged and moved on to tax reform, and the president turned to important matters like accusing Joe Scarborough of murder and warning America about the imminent danger from caravans of immigrants heading for our border. Health care reform was a dead letter, except that having failed to repeal or replace the ACA through legislation, the administration joined in a legal assault on the law, challenging its constitutionality. If the Trump administration were to get its way at the Supreme Court, millions of Americans would lose health insurance in the midst of a pandemic. Oh, and on August 3 of this year, the president once again promised his own health care proposal “hopefully, prior to the end of the month.”

Amazingly, the public’s response to this clown show was to express increasing support for the ACA, with a solid 55 percent expressing approval of the law this month, up from about 40 percent in 2016.

Trump’s fulminations against trade have convinced some—Republicans are now far more negative about NAFTA than in the pre-Trump era—but most Americans have moved in the other direction, with 74 percent agreeing that trade is an opportunity for economic growth versus 21 percent who view it as a threat to the economy.

As a pro-immigrant free-trader, I’m not sorry that Trump has driven people away from his views, though I do regret that the Republican party, which I once believed was sincere about favoring more free-market approaches to health care delivery, has crumbled into a heap of ashes on the subject. Unable to tackle the one issue they had made the centerpiece of four consecutive elections, they are reduced to attempting to sabotage the law Democrats managed to pass.

Trump has driven people away from the Republican party, and caused them to reject the label “conservative.” I’m inclined to reject it myself, because in the age of Trump, it has become associated with nativism, racism, ignorance, authoritarianism, contempt, and crackpottery. And while it’s no loss for the nation if protectionism and nativism are discredited, there are other things that Trumpism endangers that would be serious losses.

I worry that Trump is contaminating patriotism itself. His blatantly racist appeals combined with his crude and offensive invocations of “America First” run the risk of associating patriotism with whiteness. His fondness for the Confederacy stains his embrace of the American flag.

What Trump’s fans on the right never seem to grapple with as they ceaselessly invoke the specter of socialism, riots, and gun confiscation, is how much Trump drives the left toward extremism. We are in the midst of a left-wing fever of revisionism about American history. From the 1619 Project to the toppling of statues of anti-slavery heroes, there is a movement afoot that Bari Weiss calls a “mixture of postmodernism, postcolonialism, identity politics, neo-Marxism, critical race theory, intersectionality, and the therapeutic mentality.” Some of this predated Trump of course, but he has turbo-charged it.

The leftwing challenge to American legitimacy has always stressed racism, colonialism, sexism, and unconstrained capitalism. Trump has lived down to each and every one of those stereotypes. (You may object that he wasn’t a colonialist, but don’t forget “Take the oil!”)

As we look to rebuild in a post-Trump world, we non-leftists must be able to make the case for American patriotism. We cannot respond to the 1619 Project with heavy-handed attempts to limit its reach, but with arguments and context. No, this country would not be lovable if its history were one long chronicle of racism and oppression. It isn’t. We have much to be ashamed of in our history but much more to celebrate and be grateful for. We have been free and a beacon of freedom for more than two centuries. We have welcomed people from all over the globe and insisted that when they become citizens they are the full equals of those born here. We have confronted our past sins, imperfectly of course, but diligently nevertheless. We’ve given the world fantastic inventions like the airplane and the Salk vaccine, but nothing more important than the Declaration of Independence with its ringing invocation of natural rights.

Trump is a shriveled soul and tends to diminish everything and everyone he touches. As we move out of his orbit, we can begin to recapture some of the grandeur of the nation he has led so miserably. Consider the words of Ronald Reagan in his farewell address in January, 1989, ruminating on what America meant to the world:

I’ve been reflecting on what the past 8 years have meant and mean. And the image that comes to mind like a refrain is a nautical one—a small story about a big ship, and a refugee, and a sailor. It was back in the early ‘80s, at the height of the boat people. And the sailor was hard at work on the carrier Midway, which was patrolling the South China Sea. The sailor, like most American servicemen, was young, smart, and fiercely observant. The crew spied on the horizon a leaky little boat. And crammed inside were refugees from Indochina hoping to get to America. The Midway sent a small launch to bring them to the ship and safety. As the refugees made their way through the choppy seas, one spied the sailor on deck, and stood up, and called out to him. He yelled, ‘Hello, American sailor. Hello, freedom man.’
We cannot permit American patriotism to be hijacked by yahoos and bigots. As we start to heal from the past four years, we must rescue patriotism from Trumpism.
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Jim in CT
10-23-2020, 12:50 PM
Trump is a shriveled soul and tends to diminish everything and everyone he touches. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Yup, that's accurate and objective.

Yet a record-breaking 56% of respondents said they're better off today than 4 years ago, and that's during a pandemic.

Pete F.
10-23-2020, 01:08 PM
Not now

https://www.ft.com/content/64ceaf97-20b6-4274-9fd6-e458978aad85
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