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detbuch

11-03-2020, 10:53 AM

And now farmers are increasingly dependent on Government assistance to feed their families. Their decisions on crops are based not on a free market but on the whim of politically motivated tariff policies.

And John supports this because it's not "progressive."

Actually, the tariffs are a defense of a free market. Trade with China was not a free market. It was a one way rip off in favor of China. It was depression of the free market in this country as we became dependent on state sponsored cheap goods from a country whose policies, along with the foolish cooperation of corporations in this country, was draining us of competitive manufacturing. It was a model for economic suicide. The Founders would have approved of the tariffs.

And if Trump loses, the tariffs will be lifted, China will be back on track to destroying us economically, militarily, and politically. If he wins, China loses and will have to come to some more equitable terms or suffer economic collapse and overthrow of the Communist Party.

Pete F.

11-03-2020, 11:45 AM

Actually, the tariffs are a defense of a free market. Trade with China was not a free market. It was a one way rip off in favor of China. It was depression of the free market in this country as we became dependent on state sponsored cheap goods from a country whose policies, along with the foolish cooperation of corporations in this country, was draining us of competitive manufacturing. It was a model for economic suicide. The Founders would have approved of the tariffs.

And if Trump loses, the tariffs will be lifted, China will be back on track to destroying us economically, militarily, and politically. If he wins, China loses and will have to come to some more equitable terms or suffer economic collapse and overthrow of the Communist Party.

I thought Tweety and you were sorta kinda not proponents of regime change?
Oddly enough Chinas GDP and our trade balance with them tell a different story than that claim of Covita producing a failure of the Chinese economy
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wdmso

11-03-2020, 11:55 AM

detbuch

11-03-2020, 12:16 PM

I thought Tweety and you were sorta kinda not proponents of regime change?

??? Not in favor of futile nation building by starting a war. Always been in favor of the collapse of Communism. And I think it's stupid to support Communism by letting our money and technology to flow to it.

Oddly enough Chinas GDP and our trade balance with them tell a different story than that claim of Covita producing a failure of the Chinese economy

If we recapture our manufacturing capability instead of depending on China, it will lose a huge source of income. It's living off the gas from our previous letting it rape us. China's global plan needs to be exposed, and the rest of the world needs a signal that it is not necessary to let it happen.

And we certainly need to get out of depending on China for our most critical medical and technological needs. Our own corporations need to be persuaded to come back. Tariffs and tax policies are a peaceful means to achieve that. Going back to the way it was pre-Trump is slow and increasingly quicker national suicide.

Jim in CT

11-03-2020, 12:51 PM

“The Supreme Court decision on voting in Pennsylvania is a VERY dangerous one,” Trump tweeted. “It will allow rampant and unchecked cheating and will undermine our entire systems of laws. It will also induce violence in the streets. Something must be done!”

a vote for Trump equals an agreement with his tweets and The Republican party has waged a brazen legal onslaught against voting rights throughout key states in recent weeks, a cynical effort designed to better the sitting president’s reelection chances.

Jim I wish you were more concerned with the above behavior then worried about auto spelling . not shocked you insulted Harris seeing shes a women what would Amy Coney Barrett think

i don’t like voter suppression any more than i like shenanigans with mail in ballots, which any rational person would say is vulnerable to abuse.

haven’t seen any evidence that Barrett got where she is, the way Harris did. Have you?

Harris and Barrett aren’t the same just because they’re women.
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Jim in CT

11-03-2020, 12:52 PM

a vote for Trump equals an agreement with his tweets

stupid. is a vote for biden a vote for plagiarism, endless race-baiting, lying, and rape?
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wdmso

11-03-2020, 01:16 PM

i don’t like voter suppression any more than i like shenanigans with mail in ballots, which any rational person would say is vulnerable to abuse.

haven’t seen any evidence that Barrett got where she is, the way Harris did. Have you?

Harris and Barrett aren’t the same just because they’re women.
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Seems most of your suggestions are from the conspericy world . Not suprising

Ps Amy is from a cult who knows her vices

Jim in CT

11-03-2020, 01:17 PM

Ps Amy is from a cult who knows her vices

i thought biden was also catholic?
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Jim in CT

11-03-2020, 01:20 PM

Ps Amy is from a cult who knows her vices

Barrett has 5 children, one of whom
is special needs. yet she adopted two orphans from haiti.

neither you nor i will improve the world to that degree. but you dump
on her because she has an R after her name.
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Pete F.

11-03-2020, 01:22 PM

Keep grasping at straws, man.

Tweety has paid $27 million in fraud settlements just since becoming president, and his longtime personal lawyer went to jail for crimes that prosecutors said were committed "in coordination with and at the direction of" the president.
And he claims he is "perhaps the most innocent man anywhere in the history of the United States."
I'll sum up his presidency. He betrayed the country twice: he allowed a foreign power to undermine American democracy & he permitted a pandemic to do far more damage beyond what was unavoidable. And Trumplicans colluded with him. Utter treachery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMBi6Thork

scottw

11-03-2020, 01:52 PM

conspericy

we really need to ban you from using this word...you've worn it out

scottw

11-03-2020, 01:53 PM

Ps Amy is from a cult who knows her vices

she's pretty awesome...you are just jealous

detbuch

11-03-2020, 01:54 PM

I'll sum up his presidency. He betrayed the country twice: he allowed a foreign power to undermine American democracy & he permitted a pandemic to do far more damage beyond what was unavoidable. And Trumplicans colluded with him. Utter treachery.

As Progressive as your political views on the power of our President seem to be, you don't seem to have confidence in the political jewel of Progressivism--our powerful regulatory, administrative, and intelligence agencies. They pretty much are supposed to do things like control a pandemic and defend us from foreign powers "undermining" our "democracy." They even undermine our own democracy, for instance, by attempting to remove a duly elected President. Utter treachery.

Pete F.

11-03-2020, 02:24 PM

As Progressive as your political views on the power of our President seem to be, you don't seem to have confidence in the political jewel of Progressivism--our powerful regulatory, administrative, and intelligence agencies. They pretty much are supposed to do things like control a pandemic and defend us from foreign powers "undermining" our "democracy." They even undermine our own democracy, for instance, by attempting to remove a duly elected President. Utter treachery.

And with your viewpoint he is titular at best, with no responsibility and yet as a unitary president possessing tremendous powers.

In 2016, Putin mounted a covert op to sow discord, hurt Clinton & help Trump. When this plot became public—when WikiLeaks dumped DNC emails and documents stolen by Russian hackers—the Trump campaign (including Paul Manafort & Donald Jr) denied the Russian attack.
The Trump campaign aided & abetted the Russian attack by providing cover for Moscow and by echoing Putin's false denials. The campaign did this even though it had tried to collude with a Kremlin operative as part of what it was told was a secret Moscow plot to help Trump.
This was the infamous June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting, attended by Jr., Kushner, and Manafort. The meeting informed the Trump campaign that Russia was trying to secretly help Trump AND it signaled to the Kremlin that the Trump campaign welcomed its covert assistance.
Meanwhile, Manafort was secretly communicating with a Russian intelligence official (as the recent Senate intel comm. report described him) and sharing polling data with him. The report noted that this Konstantin Kilimnik might have been connected to Putin's hack-and-leak operation.
So here was Trump's campaign manager possibly colluding with a Russian intelligence officer. At the least, Manafort was again signaling to Moscow that the campaign did not mind its underhanded intervention in the election.
Trump signaled this directly himself when he publicly called on Russian hackers to hack Clinton and find the personal emails that she had destroyed. Trump aides later said he was joking. But that same day, Russian hackers did try to break into HRC's email.
And there's this: through the first half of 2016, Trump was secretly trying to do a huge Moscow tower deal. His lawyer, Michael Cohen, even asked Putin's office for help with the venture. Yet Trump said nothing to American voters about this project.
This was probably the most significant conflict-of-interest in modern American presidential politics. While being asked to comment on Putin and Russia—and making positive public statements about Putin—Trump was attempting to make big money in Moscow.
His Moscow deal certainly would not go through if he criticized Putin. Trump was compromised in this way. Plus, he claimed he had nothing to do with Russia regarding business. That was a lie.
During the first half of 2016, George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign aide, repeatedly tried to set up a private link between the campaign and Putin's office. This was yet another signal to Moscow that the Trump campaign did not mind Russia's intervention in the US election.
In August 2017, Trump was briefed by US intel that Russia was behind the hack-and-leak operation. Still, Trump publicly and repeatedly stated there was no reason to suspect it was Russia. For the rest of the race, he kept covering for Putin. Imagine how the Kremlin saw this.
As the Senate intelligence committee report notes, even as Trump and his aides publicly denied Russia was intervening, they sought to exploit the attack. Trump even used Roger Stone to try to get inside information from WikiLeaks about its releases of Russian-stolen material.
The Senate intelligence committee report—which was endorsed by its GOP members—essentially says that Trump lied to the Mueller probe when he said he could not recall any discussions with Stone about this.
So as Trump tacitly helped the Russian operation in 2016, the Kremlin plot continued--with a big release of material that began on the day the Access Hollywood tape emerged and that continued for the last four weeks of the race.
This prolonged dump helped shape the race in the final weeks and, no doubt, was one factor in Trump's victory. The Russians succeeded. Trump was elected with Putin's direct assistance.
In the years after the 2016 election, Trump has continued to aid and abet by denying or discounting the Russian intervention. In 2017, he told Russian officials visiting the White House he wasn't concerned w/ the 2016 attack. He allowed them to get away with it.
During the 2020 campaign, as US intelligence officials have stated publicly that Putin was covertly intervening again, Trump has said nothing about this. He has refused to challenge Putin or protect the US election. He has once again betrayed the nation he swore to defend.

Pete F.

11-03-2020, 03:11 PM

Distracted by Detbuch’s claim that Covita was unfairly impeached
Back to voter suppression
1. Ohio SOS Frank LaRose opposing drop boxes while claiming his hands were tied.
2. TX Gov. Abbott reversing on boxes.
3. Pa. legislators and North Carolina legislators going all the way to the Supreme Court to try to stop extension of receipt of mail-in ballots mailed by election day.
4. Alabama SOS Merrill fighting against allowing counties to offer curbside voting for immunocompromised voters
5. South Carolina not challenging judicial elimination of witness signature during primaries, but challenging (all the way to the Supreme Court) same rule applied in general election; and doing so after instructions told voters no signature needed
6. Wisconsin Republican legislators refusing to postpone April primary election in the height of the pandemic, going all the way to state AND U.S. Supreme Court, and fighting extension of ballot receipt deadline in general election all the way to SCOTUS.
7. RNC and allies seeking to stop sending ballots to all active registered voters in CA, NJ, NV, and some Montana counties.
8. Leonard Leo-backed "Honest Elections Project" fighting against counting of ballots arriving after election day in MN, and getting 8th Circuit to consider
9. Republican legislator and candidate filing last minute case in federal and state court seeking to disenfranchise 120,000 voters using drive-thru voting in Harris County, TX that is allowed by state law.
10. Republican legislators in PA and WI (and to some extent MI) refusing to allow pre-canvassing of mail in ballots (as allowed in places like FL and UT) in the hopes it would give Trump an ephemeral chance to be in the lead.
11. The Oklahoma legislature's reenactment of a notarization requirement for absentee balloting after the state Supreme Court threw it out in light of COVID.
12. Georgia SOS and election officials going to the 11th circuit to reverse a district court order that would have required paper backup of voter registration information for use in polling places in case electronic system goes down AGAIN.
13. Five Republican-dominated states, including TX and Indiana, that refused, even after being sued, to allowing people to vote by mail if they lack immunity to COVID. Texas litigating in US and state Supreme Court to say lack of immunity is not a "disability" or discrimination.
14. Florida officials also fighting the expansion of drop boxes even in the midst of a pandemic and in the middle of a USPS crisis in mail delivery that doubtlessly will disenfranchise thousands of voters who mailed their ballots at least a week before election day.
15. Lawsuits in PA, MN, TX and likely elsewhere seeking to block ballots using a doctrine never accepted by a Supreme Court majority about a kind of unlimited power of state legislatures to set voting rules to exclusion of state courts and state and local election administrators.
16. Lawsuits across the country, one even going all the way to Supreme Court, seeking to block charitable contributions from Zuckerberg foundation to defray cost of running election during pandemic; after Congress allocated only 1/10 of needed funds when Senate Rs blocked.
"The Trump campaign and Republican entities engaged in more than 40 voting and ballot court cases around the country this year. In exactly none — zero — are they trying to make it easier for citizens to vote."--GOP election attorney Ben Ginsberg
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detbuch

11-03-2020, 03:28 PM

And with your viewpoint he is titular at best, with no responsibility and yet as a unitary president possessing tremendous powers.

It is not my viewpoint that the President is titular at best.

It is not my viewpoint that the President has no responsibility.

As for "a unitary president", we do have, per the Constitution, one President at a time. And he has limited constitutional powers.

It is you that seems to have the Progressive viewpoint that the President has tremendous powers outside of constitutional limitations.

We do have these Progressive regulatory agencies which have unconstitutional plenary legislative, executive, and judicial powers. I may be wrong, but you seem to favor them. In which case, I would think that you would want them to continuously carry out their missions without constant supervision and command.

As for the load of words that follow your above statement, they are not worth my spending any time dissecting. They amount to a narrative that can lead to different opinions and conjectures. Your implication has not been verified.

And I didn't mention Trump's impeachment. You keep making stuff up.

Pete F.

11-03-2020, 04:34 PM

It is not my viewpoint that the President is titular at best.

It is not my viewpoint that the President has no responsibility.

As for "a unitary president", we do have, per the Constitution, one President at a time. And he has limited constitutional powers. You better tell Barr, because he believes in the unitary executive and the man he works for using that theory in his administration.

It is you that seems to have the Progressive viewpoint that the President has tremendous powers outside of constitutional limitations.

We do have these Progressive regulatory agencies which have unconstitutional plenary legislative, executive, and judicial powers. SCOTUS disagrees Wiener v. United States, 357 U.S. 349 (1958); Humphrey’s Executor
v. United States, 295 U.S. 602 (1935). I may be wrong, but you seem to favor them. In which case, I would think that you would want them to continuously carry out their missions without constant supervision and command. Unless prohibited by Congress in their authorization, the President has the power to act with regards to Federal Agencies

As for the load of words that follow your above statement, they are not worth my spending any time dissecting. They amount to a narrative that can lead to different opinions and conjectures. Your implication has not been verified.

And I didn't mention Trump's impeachment. You keep making stuff up.

Perhaps I misunderstood and you are claiming that agencies used some other method to remove a duly elected President in this statement? "They even undermine our own democracy, for instance, by attempting to remove a duly elected President."

But currently the Covita campaign is looking at what's happening and trying to decide who's fault this is:

"If there was a flaw in our strategy, it was probably that we forgot that women had the vote."

"If there was a flaw in our strategy, it was letting our campaign staff steal all the money instead of using it for campaign purposes."

"If there was a flaw in our strategy, it was killing the voters."

“If there was a flaw in our strategy it was thinking that we could use a four-year-old platform and sell it as something new.”

"If there was a flaw in our campaign strategy, it was probably the decision to make our Number One issue the unfairness of cable TV to the president, instead of anything any voter actually cared about."

"If there was a flaw in our campaign strategy, it was nominating and re-nominating a malignant narcissist in thrall to foreign powers with zero care or concern for anything other than grabbing as much of other people's money as he could lay his hands on."

“If there was a flaw in our strategy it was thinking that we actually COULD fool all of the people, all of the time.”

wdmso

11-03-2020, 06:00 PM

Barrett has 5 children, one of whom
is special needs. yet she adopted two orphans from haiti.

neither you nor i will improve the world to that degree. but you dump
on her because she has an R after her name.
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SAYS THE MAN WHO SUGGESTED THE DEM VP candidate slept her way to the top

You have no credibility :cheers:

wdmso

11-03-2020, 06:01 PM

she's pretty awesome...you are just jealous

She could be behind closed doors who knows

detbuch

11-03-2020, 06:20 PM

As for "a unitary president", we do have, per the Constitution, one President at a time. And he has limited constitutional powers.

You better tell Barr, because he believes in the unitary executive and the man he works for using that theory in his administration.

Yes, well Madison and Hamilton believed it was better to have a "unitary President" (one executive rather than multiple executives) so that is what was decided and we have one President not two or more. It is you that seems to have the Progressive viewpoint that the President has tremendous powers outside of constitutional limitations.

We do have these Progressive regulatory agencies which have unconstitutional plenary legislative, executive, and judicial powers.

SCOTUS disagrees Wiener v. United States, 357 U.S. 349 (1958); Humphrey’s Executor
v. United States, 295 U.S. 602 (1935).

I don't see the disagreement. I didn't say that their powers could not be challenged by Congress or the Court. Generally, the Court defers to agency expertise. So it is difficult to overrule an agency decision. It has occasionally been done. But in Humphrey the President's power of removal from the agency was struck down.

I may be wrong, but you seem to favor them. In which case, I would think that you would want them to continuously carry out their missions without constant supervision and command.

Unless prohibited by Congress in their authorization, the President has the power to act with regards to Federal Agencies

That is a huge "Unless". Even so, the agencies pretty much act on their own. Most of their work is ongoing and too much for a President to minutely oversee and command. And even when there is a Presidential order that is unpopular or deemed wrong or politically opposed by those in the agency, there is often, pushback and even quiet sabotage.

Perhaps I misunderstood and you are claiming that agencies used some other method to remove a duly elected President in this statement? "They even undermine our own democracy, for instance, by attempting to remove a duly elected President."

The elaborate creation of a narrative to frame Trump is what I referred to as an example of undermining our "democracy."
The CIA and FBI don't have the power to impeach--granted that impeachment could be one of the ways the President would be removed.

But currently the Covita campaign is looking at what's happening and trying to decide who's fault this is:

What does that matter at this point?

Pete F.

11-03-2020, 07:10 PM

It’s all part of the political game, remember even Trump is worse off today than he was 4 years ago
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detbuch

11-03-2020, 08:41 PM

It’s all part of the political game, remember even Trump is worse off today than he was 4 years ago
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He's way better off than he was a month ago when he contracted covid. Thanks to his Operation Warp Speed.

wdmso

11-04-2020, 06:28 AM

Trump called the election "a fraud on the American public" and said, "Frankly, we did win this election." He also said he planned to take the battle to the U.S. Supreme Court but did not explain what he meant.

this-is the main reason I have no understanding how anyone could vote for this Guy .. he isn't out the race . and still spews this nonsense

he cant even take responsibility if he wins it will be because of litigation or fraud if he losses ... ??

Jim in CT

11-04-2020, 06:48 AM

scottw

11-04-2020, 06:52 AM

this should make the portland riots more fun :hihi:

Oregon Voters Decriminalize Possession of Hard Drugs, Including Heroin, Cocaine, and Meth

wdmso

11-04-2020, 07:28 AM

i wish trump would shut his mouth. but when the attorney general of PA says the day before the election that Trump
will lose there, obviously Trump has cause for some concern.
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not sure How he has no say in the vote count , not sure how you see he statement's as a bigger concern. than the POTUS

wdmso

11-04-2020, 07:32 AM

this should make the portland riots more fun :hihi:

Oregon Voters Decriminalize Possession of Hard Drugs, Including Heroin, Cocaine, and Meth

5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results
Street drug–related deaths from overdoses drop and the rate of HIV cases crashes

so its been done I think not 100% that drug dealers still go to prison:btu:

Jim in CT

11-04-2020, 07:34 AM

not sure How he has no say in the vote count , not sure how you see he statement's as a bigger concern. than the POTUS

wdmso, are you going to say with a straight face, that mail in ballots aren’t more ripe for fraud?

i see trunks statement as a big concern, one of the worst things he’s said in the last 4 years.

but my wife voted early, and when i checked in yesterday in person, her name wasn’t crossed off. so i asked the volunteer if she was eligible to vote again, and they said yes. she didn’t, but she could have.

with this much at stake, either side is capable of kicking the ball onto the fairway.
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scottw

11-04-2020, 08:28 AM

5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results
Street drug–related deaths from overdoses drop and the rate of HIV cases crashes

so its been done I think not 100% that drug dealers still go to prison:btu:

don't you accuse of others of "needles in haystacks"?(some irony there):uhuh:

wdmso

11-04-2020, 09:11 AM

don't you accuse of others of "needles in haystacks"?(some irony there):uhuh:

My needle has a history a track record to actually look at .. not some youtube blogger no one ever heard of..

it illegal and still people use making it legal isn't going to change that

scottw

11-04-2020, 09:33 AM

My needle has a history a track record to actually look at ..

if you actually do a little reading around that may not necessarily be true:bl:

and it's still a needle in a haystack...and some irony regarding the name most associated with the claims:read:

wdmso

11-04-2020, 05:57 PM

wdmso, are you going to say with a straight face, that mail in ballots aren’t more ripe for fraud? No they are not another statement minus supporting evidence

i see trunks statement as a big concern, one of the worst things he’s said in the last 4 years. Figures

but my wife voted early, and when i checked in yesterday in person, her name wasn’t crossed off. so i asked the volunteer if she was eligible to vote again, and they said yes. she didn’t, but she could have. With a provisional ballot

with this much at stake, either side is capable of kicking the ball onto the fairway.
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Rockhound said it in another thread spot on. Stop counting everywhere , keep counting in Arizona. That sums him up completely

wdmso

11-04-2020, 07:28 PM

International Election Observers Say Trump Harms Public Trust In Vote

Shocking

wdmso

11-04-2020, 07:43 PM

Trumps filling lawsuit in Georgia. Here we go . How can people still support this Clown?

Jim in CT

11-04-2020, 08:14 PM

Trumps filling lawsuit in Georgia. Here we go . How can people still support this Clown?

When Gore filed lawsuits in 2000, you criticized him?
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Pete F.

11-05-2020, 06:34 AM

wdmso

11-05-2020, 07:37 AM

When Gore filed lawsuits in 2000, you criticized him?
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JIM your history is weak and confused

GORE waited till after the vote to file

TRUMP and The Republicans have been attacking filing against the vote months before and during the vote and during the count

OR Barr and his DOJ bowing to Trump. The law prohibits the federal government from deploying armed guards to places where votes are cast

With this Richard Donaghue, a principal assistant deputy attorney general at the agency, wrote around 1:30 a.m. Wednesday that the law “does not prevent armed federal law enforcement persons from responding to, investigate, or prevent federal crimes at closed polling places or at other locations where votes are being counted.

Here's the Rub whos determining they need to respond investigate or prevent

TRUMP because he's losing, but he's no Authoritarian:btu:

scottw

11-05-2020, 07:40 AM

ballots mailed on election day

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if you mail your ballot on election day you are a frigging idiot....:spin:

wdmso

11-05-2020, 07:45 AM

if you mail your ballot on election day you are a frigging idiot....:spin:

Or.

Armed Trump supporters swarm Arizona election centre after his unproven claims of fraud

Based on Rumors spread on Facebook.

Your in the frigging idiot line

scottw

11-05-2020, 07:51 AM

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Armed Trump supporters swarm Arizona election centre after his unproven claims of fraud

yes. I heard they are currently occupying the facility but it's "mostly peaceful".....:huh::scream:

spence

11-05-2020, 07:57 AM

It doesn't help Covita’s argument to "stop counting the ballots" in GA/PA etc. that his only possible path back in AZ/NV is to...continue counting the ballots.

Federal employee Kayleigh McEnany says if Trump loses PA they will go to the supreme court to get ballots mailed before or on election day thrown out
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It’s striking that the same people who are terrified of progressive thinking support what is possibly the most anti-democratic president in US history.
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Pete F.

11-05-2020, 08:00 AM

It doesn't help Covita’s argument to "stop counting the ballots" in GA/PA etc. that his only possible path back in AZ/NV is to...continue counting the ballots.

Federal employee Kayleigh McEnany says if Trump loses PA they will go to the supreme court to get ballots mailed before or on election day thrown out
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if you mail your ballot on election day you are a frigging idiot....:spin:

If you think that ballots that conform to the law in the state in which they are cast should be thrown out (because you are losing), you are not a believer in our Constitution

scottw

11-05-2020, 08:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

ballots mailed on election day

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if you mail your ballot on election day you are a frigging idiot....:spin:

pete...from the State of Pa website...I know voting is especially difficult for democrats but this is pretty straightforward..

November 3: Election Day

Polls are open from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.

Last day to return your mail ballot:

IMPORTANT: Voters who have not yet cast their mail or absentee ballot are urged to hand-deliver their voted ballots as soon as possible to their county election office or other county drop off location or drop box. Ballots must be delivered by 8 p.m. on Election Day but the sooner the better. Voters should no longer use postal service delivery as it is too late to guarantee your ballot will be delivered on time.

spence

11-05-2020, 08:21 AM

This.

scottw

11-05-2020, 08:44 AM

This.

you know those two were life long democrats....right?

I love the lingo being used now....our local news reporting that last night in Portland the National Guard "suppressed" protesters....

from Portland last night

Riot declared in Portland as rioters smash windows

PORTLAND, Ore. — A riot was declared in Portland, Ore., and protesters took to the streets in Seattle on Wednesday as people demanded that every vote in Tuesday’s election be counted. .

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office at about 7 p.m. declared a riot after rioters were seen smashing windows at businesses. In the interest of public safety, Gov. Kate Brown activated the use of the state National Guard to help local law enforcement manage the unrest, according to the sheriff's office.

so stopping democrats from destroying the property of others is "suppressing" their right to protest...and stopping democrats from stealing an election is "suppressing" democracy

these people are great...

Pete F.

11-05-2020, 08:53 AM

Don't worry, Covita has some god on his side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmMUmLYT1Y

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 09:14 AM

to the point of this thread, was there rampant voter suppression? Voting turnout looks quite high, indicating that voter suppression wasn't a huge factor.

Nebe

11-05-2020, 09:17 AM

to the point of this thread, was there rampant voter suppression? Voting turnout looks quite high, indicating that voter suppression wasn't a huge factor.

Umm. Isn’t trumpnscreaming like a man child to stop counting votes a symptom of voter suppression? Plus gerrymandering to suppress the minority vote. Plus closing poking stations in minority neighborhoods. All these things happen
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spence

11-05-2020, 09:26 AM

Umm. Isn’t trumpnscreaming like a man child to stop counting votes a symptom of voter suppression? Plus gerrymandering to suppress the minority vote. Plus closing poking stations in minority neighborhoods. All these things happen
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I think you forgot putting a sycophant in charge of limiting USPS bandwidth to try and disenfranchise as many late mail in voters as possible? Disobeying a Federal judge's order to find 300,000 known missing mail in ballots?

Now we're going to see a litany of ridiculous lawsuits in an attempt to get counted ballots tossed, because that's about the only way they can win at this point.

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 09:38 AM

Umm. Isn’t trumpnscreaming like a man child to stop counting votes a symptom of voter suppression? Plus gerrymandering to suppress the minority vote. Plus closing poking stations in minority neighborhoods. All these things happen
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Umm, screaming about how votes are counted, isn't even close to voter suppression.

"Plus gerrymandering to suppress the minority vote"

And democrats don't do that when they are in charge of re-districting. Only Republicans. I agree it's disgusting, but how can you claim it's a GOP-only thing?

"All these things happen"

Yes they do, sadly. But what you're ignorant of, is that they happen on both sides.

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 09:39 AM

Now we're going to see a litany of ridiculous lawsuits in an attempt to get counted ballots tossed, because that's about the only way they can win at this point.

Or they could bother counting the 600,000 (is that the right #?) uncounted ballots in AZ. Is it wrong to ask that those be counted for some reason?

Pete F.

11-05-2020, 09:45 AM

The guy who doesn’t want to submit his DNA so we find out he’s a rapist is the same guy who doesn’t want you to count votes so we find out he’s a loser.
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scottw

11-05-2020, 09:58 AM

to the point of this thread, was there rampant voter suppression? Voting turnout looks quite high, indicating that voter suppression wasn't a huge factor.

the same people who can't be expected to stand in lines to vote or get their votes in on time can always find time, even during the middle of the week, to protest for hours on end.....:)

spence

11-05-2020, 10:15 AM

Umm, screaming about how votes are counted, isn't even close to voter suppression.
When the President is habitually lying about voting by mail during a pandemic, that is 100% an attempt to suppress the vote thinking it will gain an advantage.

spence

11-05-2020, 10:17 AM

Or they could bother counting the 600,000 (is that the right #?) uncounted ballots in AZ. Is it wrong to ask that those be counted for some reason?
Who's saying not to count AZ? Count 'em all, follow the state laws, quit complaining.

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 10:19 AM

When the President is habitually lying about voting by mail during a pandemic, .

You don't think voting by mail is necessarily more prone to fraud, than voting in person with an id? It' snot easier to commit fraud with mail-in votes?

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 10:20 AM

Who's saying not to count AZ? Count 'em all, follow the state laws, quit complaining.

That's one of the things Trump is asking for. SO some of his requests are reasonable.

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 10:21 AM

Count 'em all, follow the state laws, quit complaining.

Agreed. But "if" state laws say that observers need to have access (not sure if that's guaranteed by law, I have no idea) and you deny them access ("if" that actually happened; I don't know, and I presume you don't know for sure either), then that's a violation of state law. Right?

spence

11-05-2020, 10:46 AM

You don't think voting by mail is necessarily more prone to fraud, than voting in person with an id? It' snot easier to commit fraud with mail-in votes?
I have never seen a single credible report that says it vote by mail fraud is statistically significant anywhere in the US. Not one.

spence

11-05-2020, 10:47 AM

That's one of the things Trump is asking for. SO some of his requests are reasonable.
Wanting votes to be counted and you give them an atta'boy? The bar is really that pathetically low.

It's like the second debate "Trump doesn't poop pants, wins debate"

scottw

11-05-2020, 10:55 AM

I have never seen a single credible report that says it vote by mail fraud is statistically significant anywhere in the US. Not one.

we are seeing the very serious problem with mailing out unsolicited ballots....but chaos works in the democrats favor

Pete F.

11-05-2020, 11:10 AM

Tweety on election night

"This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. We did win this election. So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment. This is a major fraud in our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we’ll be going to the US Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at four o’clock in the morning and add them to the list. Okay? It’s a very sad moment. To me this is a very sad moment and we will win this. And as far as I’m concerned, we already have won it."

Pete F.

11-05-2020, 11:58 AM

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 12:02 PM

I have never seen a single credible report that says it vote by mail fraud is statistically significant anywhere in the US. Not one.

Trump is losing Nevada by 7,500 votes. So I'm not sure your definition of "statistically significant", which would change based on party of sitting president, means much.

Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 12:03 PM

Michigan SOS response to Tweety’s lawsuit
"Even a cursory review of Plaintiffs’ filings demonstrates that their vague legal claims and nonexistent facts hold no water and should be dismissed."
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A statement with precisely zero facts, precisely zero evidence, is good enough for you. you are willing to take the word of a liberal, but not of any conservative. Sounds smart.

Pete F.

11-05-2020, 01:07 PM

That’s why gaslighting is hard to rebutt
Tweety’s quite expert at it
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Jim in CT

11-05-2020, 01:49 PM

That’s why gaslighting is hard to rebutt
Tweety’s quite expert at it
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Pete, Trump's team makes an accusation, you say its a sham.

The accused denies the accusation, and you say "see? I knew it was a sham."

How about we get to the facts, if theres no evidence of wrongdoing, Trump pays all legal fees and we ALL call him out for making stuff up. Is that so crazy?

Pete F.

11-05-2020, 02:10 PM

Pete, Trump's team makes an accusation, you say its a sham.

The accused denies the accusation, and you say "see? I knew it was a sham."

How about we get to the facts, if theres no evidence of wrongdoing, Trump pays all legal fees and we ALL call him out for making stuff up. Is that so crazy?

Keep believing the gaslighter

It's a pretty telling, remarkable development that the Trump campaign is focusing on very smallbore legal challenges when they're on the verge of losing by as many as 70 electoral votes.

In President Donald Trump’s second loss in court in a single day, a Michigan judge rejected the Trump campaign’s bid to stop counting ballots without their inspectors present. The judge scoffed at plaintiffs’ “hearsay” evidence that a lawyer said she heard from a poll worker regarding dates supposedly changed on ballots.

“‘I heard someone else say something,'” Michigan Judge Cynthia Stephens said on Thursday, summing up an affidavit submitted by the Trump campaign. “Tell me how that is not hearsay. Come on now!”

An attorney for the Democratic National Committee, seeking to intervene in the case, argued that the Trump campaign lacked factual support.

“No evidence in the record would allow the court to find a likelihood of success on the merits,” the DNC’s counsel Kevin Hamilton said in court.

“All of this is really an effort to stop the counting of ballots by Michigan voters,” he added later.

Today’s hearing landed in the Michigan Court of Claims after the Trump campaign and Michigan voter Eric Ostergren alleged in a lawsuit that they were excluded from the counting board during the absentee voter ballot review process.

Filed against Michigan’s Democratic Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, the complaint alleged that Ostergren had been denied the opportunity to watch videotapes of votes being counted in violation of the state constitution’s right to equal protection under the law and “purity of elections.” Trump wanted an order telling the secretary to stop counting absentee ballots until an inspector from each party was present.

Hamilton, the attorney for the Democrats, noted that there is no right to video surveillance of voters casting ballots.

Before today’s proceedings began, Michigan’s Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) cast the Trump campaign’s demand as both “frivolous” and filed too late to matter.

“Plaintiffs attempt to ‘unring’ a bell in this case. They ask this court to halt the counting and processing of absent voter ballots throughout the state of Michigan,” her assistant attorney general Heather Meingast said in the state’s 20-page opposition papers. “But the tally of unofficial county results is complete. This means that absent voter ballots have already been processed and counted in the State of Michigan. The relief they seek can no longer be granted. And regardless, plaintiffs’ substantive claims are entirely without merit, if not frivolous.”

Earlier on Thursday, a Georgia judge quickly threw out another Trump campaign lawsuit after two witnesses conceded that they did not know whether 53 challenged ballots were received on time. The county board’s witnesses affirmed that they were.

You can watch the Michigan proceedings here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELnXCQcjgWQ