Raise your hand if you really believe that the election was really stolen.

In 2016, it was stolen from Bernie
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You know how easy it is to steal from sheep?

Baaaaah
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Vermont upheld the controversial tradition of declaring person with the most votes the Winner
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It’s all over but for the theater and how much chaos the nut jobs following this “law and order” president will be willing to cause in the next thirty days. Already many have been stabbed by the Trump camp, other lives threatened and with the USA sadly reaching the 300,00 death milestone; Trump still is focused on himself. Trump and his stable of legal “experts” failed miserably and now Barr has been shown the door and I can only think we have yet to see what this nut job is capable of as the walls close in on him.

Barr just announced he is resigning just before Christmas... Makes sense since DJT tweeted he should be fired over the weekend for not finding any wrong doing during the election....

How many Trump supporters have been conned by Trumps money grab for his legal attempts and will be stupid enough to be duped by his fund raising for a 24 run that won’t happen?

Trump tweeted about barr right after the electoral college vote. What a clown.
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Most of those conservatives convinced the election was stolen also think 300,000 dead from Covid should have been worse if it wasn’t for Trump. Here’s an example.

Only because of Trump’s leadership we have a vaccine so early. His actions save 100s of thousands of lifes because of warp speed and keeping China mostly out after 1/2020.

I found this response to the above very funny. Was the UK part of Warp Speed b/c they got it first?
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I think perhaps Barr wanted to be gone before Trump pardoned Assange, Snowden and his children, though perhaps he told him you better pardon me also or else
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Most of those conservatives convinced the election was stolen also think 300,000 dead from Covid should have been worse if it wasn’t for Trump. Here’s an example.

Only because of Trump’s leadership we have a vaccine so early. His actions save 100s of thousands of lifes because of warp speed(this is correct, according to Jerome Adams removal of bureaucratic hurdles and massive investment is the reason we have a vaccine)

Prognosis
Trump’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims to Rush Coronavirus Vaccine
By Jennifer Jacobs and Drew Armstrong
April 29, 2020:shocked:

The Trump administration is organizing a Manhattan Project-style effort to drastically cut the time needed to develop a coronavirus vaccine, with a goal of making enough doses for most Americans by year’s end.

Called “Operation Warp Speed,” the program will pull together private pharmaceutical companies, government agencies and the military to try to cut the development time for a vaccine by as much as eight months, according to two people familiar with the matter.

As part of the arrangement, taxpayers will shoulder much of the financial risk that vaccine candidates may fail, instead of drug companies.

The project’s goal is to have 300 million doses of vaccine available by January, according to one administration official. There is no precedent for such rapid development of a vaccine.:rtfm:

But even Fauci’s prospective 12-to-18-month timetable would be years faster than typical vaccine development. A vaccine for the Ebola virus that went into clinical trials in 2014 received approval from U.S. regulators in December -- a five-year effort considered remarkable for its speed.

Last month, Trump directed Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to speed development of a vaccine, and administration officials have been meeting on the effort for three to four weeks, one of the people said. A meeting on the project was scheduled at the White House on Wednesday.

A spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, Michael Caputo, said the president refused to accept the timeline for standard vaccine development and encouraged a breakthrough process.:musc:

The people familiar with the project and the administration officials asked not to be identified because it hasn’t yet been publicly announced.

and keeping China mostly out after 1/2020.

I found this response to the above very funny. Was the UK part of Warp Speed b/c they got it first?
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was trump running the uk when all of their citizens were dying? UK deaths per million 946...USA 924

UK should be thanking trump as should you :kewl: it's a miracle

the next thirty days.

.

this should definitely be fun:lurk:

was trump running the uk when all of their citizens were dying? UK deaths per million 946...USA 924

UK should be thanking trump as should you :kewl: it's a miracle

Again Trump gets a Thumbs up for funding warp speed , but it’s the POTUS responsibility, to the American people.. its only special in the eyes of the faithful, you know what else happen at warp speed his whole inner circle got Covid and his faithful saw that as special as well


Did you even read the article from these same 2 people nov 20th article https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington. Which states

The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.

Now you sound like lura Ingram , she said if you count the A symptomatic people with Covid the death rate is less than the Flu .. now Americans are a seen as % point and Americans aren’t done dying ,

Its disgusting she is pandering to Trump and his base , When’s the last time 300,000 Americans died from the flu and she also thinks because now there is a vaccine it’s over and anything other than returning to normal tomorrow, is a sign liberals still want to control us and limit our freedoms
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Putin sent Biden congratulations, what a statement that a long time enemy and dictator has accepted the results ahead of our own president. Trump will continue to go down in flames, while listening to the advice of Miller and the far right.

I can’t believe Hugo Chavez got to the Turtle also.....
Evidence is pouring in from Area 51! Highly Classified! Top Secret! From many Galaxies! Contained in Milky Way and Mars bars.....
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received money -- from the German government.

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the germans could use some vaccine...


Dec. 14, 2020

In a record-setting day on Friday, Germany recorded 29,875 new cases and 598 new deaths. (probably trump's fault)


I don't think it's going to be approved by the government for a while though.....

Population of Germany is 1/4 of USA
Last seven days per 100K capita USA 63.2
Germany 26.5

And in a record setting day the USA was over 200K infected

Maybe you could use some vaccine, you seem quite rabid
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Population of Germany is 1/4 of USA
Last seven days per 100K capita USA 63.2
Germany 26.5

And in a record setting day the USA was over 200K infected

Maybe you could use some vaccine, you seem quite rabid
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we have denser populations probably....:jester:

Evidence is pouring in from Area 51! Highly Classified! Top Secret! From many Galaxies! Contained in Milky Way and Mars bars.....

...you seem quite rabid....


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:confused:

Congress spent more time investigating Benghazi over 4 deaths then they did over 9/11 28months !


Yet 300k and counting Trumps America’s savior? No outrage no relief Bill no mention of these 300 thousand citizens. But but Benghazi. Now thats a crime. Republicans really have no standards it’s all about the biggest outrage they can manufacture, there is no shame in their game

Their disproportionate response to Covid and Benghazi say it all
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Congress spent more time investigating Benghazi over 4 deaths then they did over 9/11 28months !


Yet 300k and counting Trumps America’s savior? No outrage no relief Bill no mention of these 300 thousand citizens. But but Benghazi. Now thats a crime. Republicans really have no standards it’s all about the biggest outrage they can manufacture, there is no shame in their game

Their disproportionate response to Covid and Benghazi say it all
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I know I ask you a lot...where do you get this crap?

we have denser populations probably....:jester:

USA 94
Germany 623
🤔
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I know I ask you a lot...where do you get this crap?

What facts ? They are only hard to find when you don’t look for them..
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:confused:

You’re missing out on Tweety’s tweets
and you do seem off
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You’re missing out on Tweety’s tweets
and you do seem off
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as usual you missed it....

What facts ?

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this is what I'm talking about...

Was it over when the Germans refused to certify the votes from Pearl Harbor?
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this is what I'm talking about...

Should I have said are you referring to facts.? because the term stuff is pretty vague
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as usual you missed it....

Just too deep for me

Meanwhile where is the highest place in the world now for new cases per population?
Tennessee (new); Ohio 2nd, still rising.
These are the only places with >1000/M globally.

Probably the local politicians
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Just too deep for me

Meanwhile where is the highest place in the world now for new cases per population?
Tennessee (new); Ohio 2nd, still rising.
These are the only places with >1000/M globally.

Probably the local politicians
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well, the worst two counties by far which include Memphis and Nashville are both run by democrats...so you may be on to something

hey have you seen California cranking out 35,000 cases a day now.....you'd think those compliant little leftists would have figured things out by now...

actually pete...got to worldometers and compare the daily case graphs for tennessee, canada, germany, UK(london is in a strict lockdown)...you may notice some similarities

Covid-19: Is Italy about to announce a national lockdown over Christmas?

the ONLY way to stop it from spreading is to lock everyone in their homes....more people are wearing masks now than ever, and social distancing and following all of these new societal rules and guidelines lectured to us by by our overseers(who don't follow them themselves because they know most of it is bs) yet we have more cases than ever....

actually...california(trump country) is doing even better than 35k

DEC. 14, 2020
California has shattered another grim record — more than 42,000 coronavirus cases in a single day, breaking a record set just a week ago.

dear pete,.....

South Korea facing record COVID-19 infections in third wave | ABC News
Dec 14, 2020

ABC News (Australia)

South Korea is struggling to deal with record breaking coronavirus cases.

Schools in Seoul are now moving to remote learning and citizens have been warned that restrictions may be raised to the highest level.

dear pete,.....

South Korea facing record COVID-19 infections in third wave | ABC News
Dec 14, 2020

ABC News (Australia)

South Korea is struggling to deal with record breaking coronavirus cases.

Schools in Seoul are now moving to remote learning and citizens have been warned that restrictions may be raised to the highest level.

They’re struggling while our current leader is golfing

South Korea is considering imposing restrictions because infection rates have increased to 1.7 per 100K
Meanwhile in the USA rates have gone to 62.3
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South Korea is considering imposing restrictions because infection rates have increased to 1.7 per 100K
Meanwhile in the USA rates have gone to 62.3
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what is preventing democrat governors and mayors from imposing more severe restrictions particularly since it has become as bad as you say in order to stop this horrible plague? That genius governor in California apparently has no power against it...it'll probably make him a top candidate for a cabinet position like governor nipple earrings

You think everyplace is the same?
A tiny, crowded bodega is different from a spacious high-end supermarket. People in lower-income neighborhoods also traveled more, commuting to work or leaving home more often for groceries and other essentials...
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what is preventing democrat governors and mayors from imposing more severe restrictions particularly since it has become as bad as you say in order to stop this horrible plague? That genius governor in California apparently has no power against it...it'll probably make him a top candidate for a cabinet position like governor nipple earrings

A Republican mayor in western Kansas has announced in a letter to city officials and on social media that she is resigning, effective immediately, because of threats she has received after she publicly supported a mask mandate.
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You think everyplace is the same?
A tiny, crowded bodega is different from a spacious high-end supermarket. People in lower-income neighborhoods also traveled more, commuting to work or leaving home more often for groceries and other essentials...
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that's not an answer

why do you pose a stupid question like that then support the stupid question with stupidity?

that's not an answer

why do you pose a stupid question like that then support the stupid question with stupidity?

Here's your answer, this is what is being done to Republicans by Trumplicans, I'm assuming that it's geometrically greater for Dems.
But you seem to think that Democratic states are monolithically aligned except for poor victims, standing nobly alone.

A Republican mayor in western Kansas has announced in a letter to city officials and on social media that she is resigning, effective immediately, because of threats she has received after she publicly supported a mask mandate.

Here's your answer, this is what is being done to Republicans by Trumplicans, I'm assuming that it's geometrically greater for Dems.
But you seem to think that Democratic states are monolithically aligned except for poor victims, standing nobly alone.

A Republican mayor in western Kansas has announced in a letter to city officials and on social media that she is resigning, effective immediately, because of threats she has received after she publicly supported a mask mandate.

oh good more stupidity...

new societal rules and guidelines lectured to us by by our overseers(who don't follow them themselves because they know most of it is bs)

Spoken like the a true Trump cult member ,,, love the term overseers ,,, I guess they are all Democrats

yet Conservatives are like mask are an infringement a form of control !! Yet they are the same people who support Trumps attempts of over throwing an election openly calling for marshal law and or a civil war Allen west the head of the GOP is suggesting Secession. Then back tracks saying ,,, West argued that states who he says have violated the Constitution by certifying what he and other Republicans have alleged to be fraudulent votes for President-elect Joe Biden are the "real perpetrators of secession." All with out anything their just hooked on a feeling. Convinced their Tru Patriots,,, more like parrots
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oh good more stupidity...

It's just "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" all the time with you

More right wing election stupidity :rotfl:

An air-conditioning repairman was driving his truck through Houston in late October when a black SUV suddenly slammed into his tail. When he got out, the SUV’s driver leaped out and pointed a gun at his head, police said.

When police arrived, the gunman offered an incredible tale: The driver, he said, was the face of a vast election-fraud scheme and had about 750,000 fake ballots stuffed inside his truck.

That story was totally bogus, police now say. The man’s truck was full of nothing but A/C parts, and the gunman — Mark Anthony Aguirre, a former Houston Police Department captain — had been paid more than $250,000 by a right-wing organization to pursue far-fetched voter-fraud conspiracy theories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/16/aguirre-texas-cop-election-fraud/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0XMe9G8hnFy6vweCBqxSaMk7C65PWK8OdYLjSZb 0vGD-a9VEJTYbsvZKk

Well, no one side owns the patent on crazy
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“Our first session of New Member Orientation covered COVID in Congress.Masks, masks, masks....I proudly told my freshman class that masks are oppressive.In GA, we work out, shop, go to restaurants, go to work, and school without masks. My body, my choice#FreeYourFace

— Marjorie Taylor Greene ���� (@mtgreenee) November 13, 2020

A top Trump appointee, Paul Alexander, repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a "herd immunity" approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to Politico.

"We want them infected," he said.
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I was in Washington, D.C. There is no monument to Richard M. Nixon, the peacemaker. He saved the nation from domestic turmoil so bad that the only parallel I can think of is the USA in 1861.

He set the stage for winning the Cold War. He set hundreds of millions of Chinese free.

He saved Eretz Israel’s life and probably went to greater risks for the Jewish people than any world or national leader has ever done. He was a major hero of Civil Rights, but that’s another story.

Still, there are no monuments to him, and there should be.

And there are — of course — no monuments to Trump.

He was a true hero.

He warded off war with Pyongyang.

He made giant steps towards peace in and around the Mideast. He was — after Nixon — the best friend Israel has ever had.

But he stood up to the media elite and to the Deep State, and they did him in — just the way they did to Nixon. Not many of us Jews stood up for him when he needed us.

He was a real lover of the Constitution. That was not allowed in this era, when race, and not law, determine everything. I will definitely not live to see a Trump Memorial, but maybe my granddaughter will. Anyway, he is enshrined forever in my heart.

Ben Stein

I don’t know what to say? Other than it seems Stein like most Trumplicans love to create a propagandist view of their dear leader, I found this part interesting
He (Trump) was a real lover of the constitution. PS saw this at newsmax

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More right wing election stupidity :rotfl:

This is what Right wing Racialization looks like ... it’s gone mainstream in the Republican party
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More right wing election stupidity :rotfl:

Well, no one side owns the patent on crazy
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I rest my case :rolleyes:

This is what Right wing Racialization looks like ... it’s gone mainstream in the Republican party
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Well, no one side owns the patent on crazy
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To some degree that’s true but I don’t think there’s any comparison with what we’ve seen under Trump. He brings out the crazies like when pencil neck Peck shut down the power grid.
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I rest my case :rolleyes:


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Deep State Pushes to Deep-Six Intelligence Report Demonstrating Chinese Interference in 2020 Election



Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe is considering not signing an intelligence report to Congress if it does not accurately reflect an ongoing debate among intelligence community career analysts over Chinese attempts to influence American voters in the 2020 election, according to a source familiar with the issue.

Who’s next to blame Aliens
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Well they already blamed Hugo Chavez, North Korea and Antifa.
Democrats seem to believe in facts, while Trumplicans have learned to believe in an alternative world they make up for themselves.
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Democrats seem to believe in facts, while Trumplicans have learned to believe in an alternative world

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you guys feel the need to constantly state this like little cult members that need to repeat things over and over to remind yourselves that you think they are true ...it's odd

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Spoken like the a true Trump cult member ,,, love the term overseers ,,, I guess they are all Democrats


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dear wayne, I didn't vote for trump this time, I didn't vote for trump last time, I don't like trump...I was hoping that lindsay and mitch would lose, I don't like them either and I think there should be term limits, I think there should be Washington limits which is why I would never vote for biden...the longer these people stay in washington the more they become manipulators of the system rather than public servants and biden is the current greatest example...you conveniently forget all that has happened over the last 4 years, the lies you participated in repeating regarding trump and those around him, you have attacked him for for years..non-stop...whatever the media that you subscribe tells you, you repeat, dutifully, without question, you repeat...as with the various voting issues that you will never delve into beyond what you are told by partisans on msnbc and elsewhere...keep up the good work....:bl:


yes overseers, our democrat governor lectured everyone in our state last Thursday as if we were 8 year olds, she particularly called out and insulted the district school superintendents who had decided to move to virtual learning for the rest of the year...she also commented, "to those of you who are about to lose your business', we can get through this"...and then she was photographed out at a fancy restaurant last weekend, no mask, big glass of wine, the people at the tables around he had no masks....and now she is quarantining because her DOH director and Thursday sidekick has tested positive for covid....this is at least the second time for her as she was at one of the big rallies mask-less earlier in the year after lecturing everyone for weeks to "wear your mask"

so yeah, overseer and she sucks

dear wayne, I didn't vote for trump this time, I didn't vote for trump last time, I don't like trump...I was hoping that lindsay and mitch would lose, I don't like them either and I think there should be term limits, I think there should be Washington limits which is why I would never vote for biden...the longer these people stay in washington the more they become manipulators of the system rather than public servants and biden is the current greatest example...you conveniently forget all that has happened over the last 4 years, the lies you participated in repeating regarding trump and those around him, you have attacked him for for years..non-stop...whatever the media that you subscribe tells you, you repeat, dutifully, without question, you repeat...as with the various voting issues that you will never delve into beyond what you are told by partisans on msnbc and elsewhere...keep up the good work....:bl:


yes overseers, our democrat governor lectured everyone in our state last Thursday as if we were 8 year olds, she particularly called out and insulted the district school superintendents who had decided to move to virtual learning for the rest of the year...she also commented, "to those of you who are about to lose your business', we can get through this"...and then she was photographed out at a fancy restaurant last weekend, no mask, big glass of wine, the people at the tables around he had no masks....and now she is quarantining because her DOH director and Thursday sidekick has tested positive for covid....this is at least the second time for her as she was at one of the big rallies mask-less earlier in the year after lecturing everyone for weeks to "wear your mask"

so yeah, overseer and she sucks

Just because you didnt vote for him ? Whats that mean. Are you next going to say you never defended him ? You only pushed back on the overseers and the media.
TRUMPS issues where his own , they were actually based on events that actually happened .. and its always falls back on the deep state mantra. From his impeachment to him lossing the election to Bindens laptop , which trump is pissed at Barr about for not putting it out. So it could help him Sounds like what he did with Ukraine..

But if you support the policy or the agenda you support Trump indirectly, but willingly

On restrictions and lockdowns the right crys endlessly about .

Bring that up with the administration who ingnored every warning and kept lying .. and now the 2nd wave is far worse then the 1st .. imagine if the Governors aka overseers did nothing where do you think the death count would be?

Because we know what the models show when you doing nothing ..

And thats why Trump lost doing nothing was only acceptable in his base.
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Another reason I left the Repub. party.

Make no mistake. We are at war. The Democratic Party hijacked our 2020 Presidential Election and have committed treason," Chase wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday night. "Where the hell are the Republicans? Did Dominion Voting Systems buy you out too? I hear nothing but crickets."

If legislators, courts and Congress don't "follow the Constitution," the Virginia state senator said Trump should invoke martial law to allow the military to oversee a new "free and fair federal election."

Chase's opinion puts her in the minority but she's not alone in her support of Trump using martial law to run a new election. Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security adviser, endorsed the method.

Another reason I left the Repub. party.

.

you left the republican party because someone nobody has ever heard of named chase said something?:spin: hopefully she doesn't spray paint your property, or assault anyone or burn any cars or buildings, that would probably really make you mad...

Who planned to kidnap the Governor of Michigan?
You think nobody is planning another Oklahoma City?
Ex-cop rams van of suspected fake ballots?

White supremacists and other like-minded extremists conducted two-thirds of the terrorist plots and attacks in the United States in 2020, according to new CSIS data. Anarchists, anti-fascists, and other like-minded extremists orchestrated 20 percent of the plots and attacks, though the number of incidents grew from previous years as these extremists targeted law enforcement, military, and government facilities and personnel.

You’re just a little misdirected
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Who planned to kidnap the Governor of Michigan?
You think nobody is planning another Oklahoma City?
Ex-cop rams van of suspected fake ballots?

White supremacists and other like-minded extremists conducted two-thirds of the terrorist plots and attacks in the United States in 2020, according to new CSIS data. Anarchists, anti-fascists, and other like-minded extremists orchestrated 20 percent of the plots and attacks, though the number of incidents grew from previous years as these extremists targeted law enforcement, military, and government facilities and personnel.

You’re just a little misdirected
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I bet you are pretty disappointed that the militias haven't started maneuvers yet..I bet if trump was announced the winner on election night there would have been some serious mayhem from your co-conspirators:laughs:

Oh, would that be a but Antifa?
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Who planned to kidnap the Governor of Michigan?
You think nobody is planning another Oklahoma City?
Ex-cop rams van of suspected fake ballots?

White supremacists and other like-minded extremists conducted two-thirds of the terrorist plots and attacks in the United States in 2020, according to new CSIS data. Anarchists, anti-fascists, and other like-minded extremists orchestrated 20 percent of the plots and attacks, though the number of incidents grew from previous years as these extremists targeted law enforcement, military, and government facilities and personnel.

You’re just a little misdirected

From the article which you quote (https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states):

Terms such as far-right and far-left terrorism do not correspond to mainstream political parties in the United States, such as the Republican and Democratic parties.

Terrorism is orchestrated by a small set of violent extremists.

Far left individuals and networks have increasingly used firearms in addition to explosives and incendiary devices in conducting attacks.

49% of the weapons used by violent far right terrorists were either firearms, or explosives, or incendiaries.

84% of the weapons used by violent far left terrorists were either firearms, or explosives, or incendiaries.

Only five fatalities occured from violent terrorism in the first 8 months of 2020 (time for which the article covers). One death from far right and one death from far left. Three were by "other."

The number of fatalities from domestic terrorism today is quite low and the possibility of civil war is negligible. The U.S. has endured more violent periods in the past.

you left the republican party because someone nobody has ever heard of named chase said something?:spin: hopefully she doesn't spray paint your property, or assault anyone or burn any cars or buildings, that would probably really make you mad...

Bat sheet crazy gets elected to the Repub. Party. Plus environmental reasons, omongst others.
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Well we currently rank 29th and have moved up 2 places this year on the Global Terrorism Index.

The statements of the current occupant of the White House will push that further.

And he doesn't care.

He sincerely believes he's won.

He will die believing it, no matter the evidence.

The clinical term is malignant narcissism. It comprises psychopathy, manipulativeness, sadism, and paranoia (especially under stress), in addition to narcissism.

Well we currently rank 29th and have moved up 2 places this year on the Global Terrorism Index.

The statements of the current occupant of the White House will push that further.

And he doesn't care.

He sincerely believes he's won.

He will die believing it, no matter the evidence.

The clinical term is malignant narcissism. It comprises psychopathy, manipulativeness, sadism, and paranoia (especially under stress), in addition to narcissism.

You're a propaganda terrorist.

Bat sheet crazy gets elected to the Repub. Party.

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yes there are no bat sheet crazy democrats in washington and elsewhere....

You're a propaganda terrorist.

Sure, now extol the virtues of the Epoch Times.
Last year, the Epoch Times got into a spot of bother with Facebook after it was discovered that they spent more money on pro-Trump advertising on the platform than any group except the Trump campaign itself. Which was kind of weird for a news source, right?
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Sure, now extol the virtues of the Epoch Times.
Last year, the Epoch Times got into a spot of bother with Facebook after it was discovered that they spent more money on pro-Trump advertising on the platform than any group except the Trump campaign itself. Which was kind of weird for a news source, right?


Epoch Times is one of the few growing in size alternatives to the huge left wing media including WAPO, NYT, etc., and including the vast majority of electronic media. Biased left wing (Progressive) media has been successfully, corruptly, and deceitfully influencing elections for decades, and have been more openly doing it in the last one or two decades. I'm glad Epoch Times exists. More such are needed. Just as platforms like Parler and Rumble and a few others are needed to neutralize the increasingly leftist super powerful platforms like Twitter, and Facebook. And less biased search engines are needed to become as powerful as google.

A lot of relevant, important, information has been and is being unreported, underreported, or suppressed by our overly influential "main stream media." It is the most powerful and prevalent way of creating "voter suppression."

Did someone say voter suppression

This week the ET published an editorial call to invoke the Insurrection Act to force a “military audit” of the election and “arrest those who have conspired to deprive the people of their rights through election fraud.”
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Did someone say voter suppression

This week the ET published an editorial call to invoke the Insurrection Act to force a “military audit” of the election and “arrest those who have conspired to deprive the people of their rights through election fraud.”
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How is discovering voter fraud a way to suppress the votes?

A foreign cult that thinks Donald Trump is on a messianic mission has a “news site” that has spent at least $2 million on YouTube ads since 2018, mostly in 2020.
This “news site” has called for a violent insurrection to keep Trump in power.
The group behind the ads has seemingly unlimited resources and was the second-largest pro-Trump advertiser on Facebook before such ads were banned.
They believe the stakes are a literal apocalyptic battle between good and evil.
Kind of makes you wonder just how much money this “news” organization really poured into the election in order to boost Donald Trump.
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How is discovering voter fraud a way to suppress the votes?

the same people claiming votes were suppressed believe biden got over 80 million votes...must have been trumps votes that were suppressed :kewl:

What’s everybody drinking for the insurrection?
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What’s everybody drinking for the insurrection?
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liberal tears :cheers:

A foreign cult that thinks Donald Trump is on a messianic mission has a “news site” that has spent at least $2 million on YouTube ads since 2018, mostly in 2020.
This “news site” has called for a violent insurrection to keep Trump in power.
The group behind the ads has seemingly unlimited resources and was the second-largest pro-Trump advertiser on Facebook before such ads were banned.
They believe the stakes are a literal apocalyptic battle between good and evil.
Kind of makes you wonder just how much money this “news” organization really poured into the election in order to boost Donald Trump.


The editor who wrote the article is not part of the "foreign cult." The "foreign cult" has not proclaimed anything about using the Insurrection Act.

The "news site" did not call for a violent insurrection. The Insurrection Act is for stopping insurrections, not starting them.

The money "poured" into the election was legal. Biden got a lot more money "poured" into his campaign than Trump did.

Various left wing "news sites" believe that Trump is "evil" and that a media war against him was necessary to get rid of the bad Orange Man.

How is discovering voter fraud a way to suppress the votes?

You love playing obtuse don’t you
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The editor who wrote the article is not part of the "foreign cult." The "foreign cult" has not proclaimed anything about using the Insurrection Act.

The "news site" did not call for a violent insurrection. The Insurrection Act is for stopping insurrections, not starting them.

The money "poured" into the election was legal. Biden got a lot more money "poured" into his campaign than Trump did.

Various left wing "news sites" believe that Trump is "evil" and that a media war against him was necessary to get rid of the bad Orange Man.

In what world does it make sense to allow a fake news site run by a literal foreign cult that thinks the president is a tiny-fingered prophet ushering in the end times to spend unreported millions on their propaganda?

In what world does it make sense to allow a fake news site run by a literal foreign cult that thinks the president is a tiny-fingered prophet ushering in the end times to spend unreported millions on their propaganda?

It's not a fake news site. It's an international multi-language newspaper and media company. It's a member of the New York Press Association which has given Epoch Times journalism awards. And it is not run by Falung Gong. And your myopic characterization which exaggeratedly focuses on a minor aspect of the total ET range of content is more of your biased propaganda.

According to Media Bias/Fact Check, The Epoch Times is an international, multi-language news media company in print and online. The Epoch Times first published in New York in April 2000 (in Chinese only) and the online edition in August 2000. In 2003, The Epoch Times launched an online edition in English, which began printing as a newspaper in New York in 2004. The Epoch Times is founded by John Tang and a group of Chinese-American Falun Gong practitioners. The Epoch Times publishes in 21 languages in 35 countries across five continents. Their focus topics include sections for world and national news, op-eds, sports, entertainment, business, arts and culture, travel, and health. Although it rates ET as questionable because some of its op-eds seem conspiratorial (I could say the same about CNN, and NYT), it claims.however, that The Epoch Times straight news reporting (which is what interests me) through the use of journalists and syndication through the Associated Press and Reuters . . . are well-sourced and reasonably low biased. However, when reporting on China they do reflect a strong anti-communism bias in general, but that straight news reporting is sourced and mostly low biased.

The Epoch Times chair Stephen Gregory said in 2007: "It's not a Falun Gong newspaper. Falun Gong is a question of an individual's belief. The paper's not owned by Falun Gong, it doesn't speak for Falun Gong, it doesn't represent Falun Gong. It does cover the persecution of Falun Gong in China." But the news org. staff which runs it are a spectrum of Americans which may include some that practice falung gong.

One of the quotes in Quora re ET:
"Now some say Epoch Times has ties to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and as I pointed out, this is not true. However, there are other news outlets that do have close ties to the CCP. News outlets that the accusers would consider trustworthy while bashing Epoch Times.

NBC News has now published at least five articles in just over a year that contain egregious factual errors about their competitor, The Epoch Times. NBC News has refused to correct many of these errors, which gives the appearance of it being intentional and agenda-driven.

I would invite anyone to read both NBC News and The Epoch Times, and compare for yourself the fairness and balance of each media organization’s reporting.

Perhaps the biggest contrast between NBC News and The Epoch Times can be found in their independence from the CCP, which has worked for years to subvert key American institutions, including media organizations.

Over the past 20 years, The Epoch Times has reported extensively on the CCP’s widespread human rights violations, its efforts to subvert the United States, and its efforts to expand its influence around the world, and have never taken a penny of CCP money.

NBC News and its parent company, NBC Universal, meanwhile, have cultivated close relationships with the CCP and affiliated entities, reaching business agreements worth billions of dollars.

On the editorial side, NBC News signed a memorandum of cooperation in 2010 with the CCP’s state media agency, Xinhua, to conduct extensive and in-depth cooperation in the collection, production, and broadcasting of TV news content and personnel training. Xinhua was officially designated by the US State Department as a Chinese “foreign mission” in February this year.

It’s sad to see that one of America’s largest media organizations has close financial ties and editorial cooperation with the world’s most repressive regime. This makes abundantly clear that NBC has no ability to report on The Epoch Times without a biased agenda."

Since 2016, the Falun Gong-backed newspaper has used aggressive Facebook tactics and right-wing misinformation to create an anti-China, pro-Trump media empire.

For years, The Epoch Times was a small, low-budget newspaper with an anti-China slant that was handed out free on New York street corners. But in 2016 and 2017, the paper made two changes that transformedk it into one of the country’s most powerful digital publishers.

to become a leading purveyor of right-wing misinformation. Hence why Detbuch loves them ... that’s why he left out some details
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Since 2016, the Falun Gong-backed newspaper has used aggressive Facebook tactics and right-wing misinformation to create an anti-China, pro-Trump media empire.

For years, The Epoch Times was a small, low-budget newspaper with an anti-China slant that was handed out free on New York street corners. But in 2016 and 2017, the paper made two changes that transformedk it into one of the country’s most powerful digital publishers.

to become a leading purveyor of right-wing misinformation. Hence why Detbuch loves them ... that’s why he left out some details


Left out some details? I noted details that you and Pete and Got Stripers conveniently don't mention or are ignorant of. Details? It would take a 200 page book to mention all the relevant details, especially all of the smears and inaccuracies perpetrated against ET. Like the viciously biased slant by Pete F. And your myopic and irrelevant quote above. Starting out small is neither a crime, nor a nor a blemish. To grow to such size in such a short time is an accomplishment, not a vice. Aggressive tactics are not some kind of evil. Most successful endeavors use them. And saying something is misinformation needs to be backed up in detail. It is a malevolent aggressive tactic to claim something is misinformation without thorough proof--to do so is in itself misinformation of the most hypocritical kind.

I gave a suitably brief, given the constraints of a forum, response to Pete F's claim that ET was a fake news site. Either he knowingly lied or he was just wrong. It's as legitimate as the news sites you use. It may get some things wrong. They all do.

And I don't love misinformation--right-wing or otherwise. Saying that I do is misinformation.

Left out some details? I noted details that you and Pete and Got Stripers conveniently don't mention or are ignorant of. Details?

And I don't love misinformation--right-wing or otherwise. Saying that I do is misinformation.

they work very hard to convince themselves of things don't they? :biglaugh:

Since Media bias/Fact check is a legitimate source here’s more of what they had to say re ET

“Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.“
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Falun Gong group's leaders "believe that Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the communist party."

who else has attached their horses to the same thinking that Trump was sent by heaven . oh shocking evangelicals

Religious right leaders say God anointed Trump as a "king." This week he actually declared himself the "chosen one"

So a Theocracy is what the trump faithful want ?

And I don't love misinformation--right-wing or otherwise. Saying that I do is misinformation.

thats funny! to bad we could string together a montage of your You Tube videos .. because they clearly dont promote facts or follow any journalism ethics and standards of principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability..

they are actually people in their basements :huh:

Since Media bias/Fact check is a legitimate source here’s more of what they had to say re ET

“Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.“
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I don't consider fact check orgs to be legitimate. There may actually be some that are, but I've found the ones usually referred to, including Mediabias/Fact check, to be biased themselves.

As for your quote from Media Bias/Fact check re ET, you may have overlooked that I alluded to it in my posts--"Although it rates ET as questionable because some of its op-eds seem conspiratorial (I could say the same about CNN, and NYT), it claims, however, that The Epoch Times straight news reporting (which is what interests me) through the use of journalists and syndication through the Associated Press and Reuters . . . are well-sourced and reasonably low biased. However, when reporting on China they do reflect a strong anti-communism bias in general, but that straight news reporting is sourced and mostly low biased."

It is the "straight news" they publish that intrests me. The rest of their content doesn't. Opinion pieces and editorial comments of most if not all supposedly journalistic orgs are, in my opinion, biased. I take no stock in opinions expressed in NYT, WAPOST, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and the host of most other media. Including no interest in their opinions on entertainment, fashion, horoscopes, crossword puzzles, culinary, and in their various pseudo-science and popular culture sections--with the possible exceptions of some sports commentary.

So, for me, I see ET as legitimate as any so-called mainstream news org.

thats funny! to bad we could string together a montage of your You Tube videos .. because they clearly dont promote facts or follow any journalism ethics and standards of principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability..

they are actually people in their basements :huh:

This is misinformation.

This is misinformation.

isn't it fun when leftists talk about destroying our democracy and undermining our Constitution? :hihi:...I thought that's what they've been working toward all these years...they just don't want trump to get the credit :kewl:

isn't it fun when leftists talk about destroying our democracy and undermining our Constitution? :hihi:...I thought that's what they've been working toward all these years...they just don't want trump to get the credit :kewl:

That's the nature of leftism of all sorts, including Progressivism. Leftist governments thrive on the notion of useful idiots.

It's amazing how the leftists on this forum so often avoid having a rational discussion. Their mode is to attack every opposition with a religious fervor. They believe they are fighting under the banner of truth. Everyone else is a liar or a fool . . . or a NAZI, or Putins's puppet, or a hater.

They will often attack posts on the basis of their source, without nary a discussion of their content. And they spend time on trashing the source with irrelevant or slanted or lying factoids.

Such as, in this thread: "In what world does it make sense to allow a fake news site run by a literal foreign cult that thinks the president is a tiny-fingered prophet ushering in the end times to spend unreported millions on their propaganda?"--The Falung Gong do not run the straight news political sector of ET. The only mention of Falung Gong in the news section is an occasional article of the CCP oppression of it. One might ask in what world does its make sense to allow a fake news site run by Progressive leftists (NYT, WAPO, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN)who promote the centralization of government run solely by those who it considers "experts" and spends their millions to oppose "conservative" values by printing Progressive propaganda. (Certainly not in a constitutional republic such as the U.S.)

Or this:"Falun Gong group's leaders "believe that Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the communist party." That may be interesting to some. Not to me. What does that have to do with the straight news reports by Epoch Times which are researched and written or delivered by Non Falun Gong, Christian or Jewish or atheist journalists? I don't know what the religious, if any, beliefs of the founders or supporters or management, journalists, employees of the NYT, WAPOST, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN are. What concerns me is "news" they report and the slant they put on it, or the news they don't report, or the actual lies and misinformation/disinformation they spout.


Or: "thats funny! to bad we could string together a montage of your You Tube videos .. because they clearly dont promote facts or follow any journalism ethics and standards of principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability..
they are actually people in their basements "

I don't recall any such video that I posted, nor any explanation how they were all that. Nor even any discussion of the content. Incredibly, the same ad hominem attacks were made on my sources who didn't operate out of their basements and actually were of the same political mind as wdmso and his partners in political smear.

They viciously attacked Glenn Greenwald who is a flaming Progressive who wants government to do the same thing this forum's left want. But he dared to say something against their own. I almost totally disagree with Greenwald on what government should "do" for us, but I respect his "journalism ethics and standards of principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability." In my opinion, he is politically wrong, but he is honest and willing to call out his own when he believes they are wrong. Even though they would probably agree with 95% of his commentary, for his transgression of saying something that disturbs their view of the world, the lefties had to take him down--not by debating his words, but by demeaning his person.

When I posted a video by Jimmy Dore, he and Greenwald were sarcastically mocked as to their "authority." Not only does Greenwald have as much authority as any other journalist that lefties rely on (probably more because he is more honest), but he and Dore (who has the authority of a big following--which likewise gives other commentators "authority") want the same government policies as the lefties here.

So the lefties here will not only try to trash a post by gratuitously attacking "conservative" sources, but Progressive sources as well if they somehow threaten their narrative--especially their anti-Trump narrative.

Killing the messenger is the authoritarian way of breeding useful idiots.

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How are things in the echo chamber........


Are you under some illusion that what you say is essentially original rather than versions of regurgitated pap which bounces off the inflated wall of the information bubble you choose to dwell in?

I can sleep in my bubble, must be hard to rest when rioters and caravans are coming to get you
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I can sleep in my bubble, must be hard to rest when rioters and caravans are coming to get you
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Yes, you are asleep in your bubble. That is evident in your toxic hate filled nightmares of an evil Putin loving orange monster and his covid coming to get us all.

Yes, you are asleep in your bubble. That is evident in your toxic hate filled nightmares of an evil Putin loving orange monster and his covid coming to get us all.

My nightmares luckily are almost over, is it 29 days to go?

Just think in 1974, GOP Congressional leaders went to the WH to tell Nixon it was time to resign over Watergate.

Today, GOP leaders went to the WH to conspire with Trump to overturn a democratic election. From leaders to traitors.

The Republican Party is dead. All that remains is MAGA..............

My nightmares luckily are almost over, is it 29 days to go?

Just think in 1974, GOP Congressional leaders went to the WH to tell Nixon it was time to resign over Watergate.

Today, GOP leaders went to the WH to conspire with Trump to overturn a democratic election. From leaders to traitors.

The Republican Party is dead. All that remains is MAGA..............

Their intention is to preserve a democratic election. So long as they remain within the bounds of the Constitution, their intentions will be preserved.

Your nightmare is a false picture of reality. And reality won't end when your nightmare is over.

Their intention is to preserve a democratic election. So long as they remain within the bounds of the Constitution, their intentions will be preserved.

Your nightmare is a false picture of reality. And reality won't end when your nightmare is over.

Trump’s impeachment foreshadowed the damage he has wreaked in the six weeks since Biden beat him in the election and demonstrated his elevation of self over country, his willingness to subvert democracy, and the GOP’s refusal to constrain his behavior.

In his increasingly desperate bid to hang on to the White House, President Trump is reportedly contemplating invoking martial law to force the invalidation of the results of the election in four swing states, apparently inspired by remarks of the former and recently-pardoned National Security Advisor Michael Flynn. While we deem the chances that Trump will actually follow through with the attempt to spark a military coup between now and January 20th extremely low, Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen should be prepared for such a contingency and play out the legal and enforcement implications in advance. Shocking and unprecedented though it would be, Rosen should be ready to go so far as to order federal law enforcement officers to arrest anyone, including if necessary the president, who has conspired to carry out this illegal plan. Short of those steps, the Justice and Defense Departments should be ready to issue internal and public statements that the law clearly prohibits any such actions.

Senior U.S. Army officials felt the apparent need to issue a joint statement last week saying “there is no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of an American election.” This shows the dangerous place our country has reached due, in no small part, to extreme and erroneous views of the president’s Article II powers and immunity from criminal law.

* * *

Following Flynn’s public remarks, the idea of a military coup took shape in earnest last Friday, when the president met with Flynn and Flynn’s (and the Trump campaign’s) former lawyer, Sidney Powell, as well as with executive branch staff, to discuss various methods for overturning the results of the election, including the use of martial law. Trump reportedly asked Flynn to spell out his proposal during the meeting.

The legal vehicle the president would likely hope to use is the Insurrection Act, an 1807 law that allows the president to federalize the national guard in order to “suppress” an insurrection.

Last used in 1992 in response to unrest sparked by the Rodney King verdict, the Insurrection Act has never been invoked to overturn an election or to intervene in peaceful political events of any kind. Indeed, it has never been used in any context other than suppressing civil unrest. It was invoked in 1967 in response to the unrest following the death of Martin Luther King, and in 1957, 1962 and 1963 to help enforce civil rights laws in the face of local opposition to federal court orders requiring school integration. Ulysses S. Grant used it in 1871 to suppress the Ku Klux Klan, and it was used during the Civil War to impose a blockage of the ports of seven southern states. Only in rare instances has it been used against the wishes, and without the consent of, state and local officials. It has never been used to deny federal and state rights, such as the right to vote.

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Any attempt to deploy the military to overturn the results of the 2020 election would violate multiple federal laws. First, it would violate the Posse Comitatus Act, an 1878 law codifying the longstanding principle that the military may not engage in domestic law enforcement (18 U.S. Code 1385). The Insurrection Act is understood to provide a rare exception to posse comitatus, based on a civil emergency that requires the immediate restoration of law and order, conditions that would simply not be satisfied here, even if Trump’s allegations of election fraud were true. There are also specific laws designed to criminalize election interference by the military. Members of the Armed Forces, for example, who assist with the overthrow of a lawful election can be held criminally liable under 18 U.S. Code 593 and sentenced for up to five years imprisonment.

More significantly, a series of criminal provisions in federal law prohibits attempts to overthrow the lawful authority of federal and state government. These laws could subject Donald Trump, Michael Flynn, or others involved in such a plan to criminal charges much in the way that the 1861 firing on Fort Sumter by confederate forces after the election of Abraham Lincoln was criminal. 18 U.S. Code 2383 criminalizes “rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof.” 18 U.S. Code 2384 criminalizes “Seditious Conspiracy,” which prohibits two or more individuals by force “to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States,” and 18 U.S. Code 2385 makes it a crime to “knowingly or willfully advocate[], abet[], advise[], or teach[] the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State … by force or violence,” with additional penalties for conspiring to do the same with another person. The participation of multiple individuals in such a plan would constitute a conspiracy under federal law, thus enhancing the penalties for any of the above acts performed in conjunction with others, with the exception of the crime of “seditious conspiracy,” which is already a collective offense. Several of these provisions not only provide for jail time but also preclude employment in the federal government following conviction, which among other things would prevent Trump from running for president again in 2024 and anyone who assisted him from holding any federal office.

But do “seditious conspiracy” and similar offenses apply to a sitting president? There is no telling what President Trump’s informal advisors apparently suggested. One can imagine that they would try to claim that sedition is not a crime if it is ordered by the president under his extensive Article II powers. And since he is Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, the military would be bound to obey.

This is wrong on all counts and, indeed, White House Counsel Pat A. Cipollone reportedly tried to push back by telling the president that proposals raised during the Friday meeting were not within his constitutional authority. But this is not simply about constitutional authority. It also involves military and criminal law.

First, all well-trained military personnel understand that the duty to follow orders is limited to legal orders. Under Article 90 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), the duty of obedience to the chain of command does not apply to orders the recipient knows to be illegal Thus even if Donald Trump were to issue an illegal order to overturn a lawful election, that order could not be obeyed by the officers and enlisted men and women, whose primary duty is to defend and uphold the Constitution. Second, active duty as well as retired military officers would be subject to the UCMJ, and as such they could be held criminally liable for “mutiny” or “sedition” under 10 U.S. Code 894, a provision that is broader than its civilian counterpart. This would apply to Michael Flynn, who, as a retired officer, could be charged and subject to courts-martial under this provision. What is more, civilians could be held liable (under 10 U.S. Code 2) for aiding and abetting Flynn’s violation of the UCMJ.

But second, not even the president would have immunity under Article II from criminal prosecution were he to attempt to overthrow the results of the election. Under Trump v. Vance, decided by the Supreme Court in July of 2020, Trump was unable to assert presidential immunity to repel a criminal subpoena for financial records of the Trump organization sought by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance. At oral argument in the Second Circuit, the president’s lawyers had presented one of the most extreme interpretations of presidential powers ever offered in a court of law, namely that under his Article II constitutional authority, the president could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue without being either investigated or indicted until after he had left office.

Following the Second Circuit’s rejection of this extreme appeal to immunity, the Supreme Court had no difficulty agreeing that the president would not be immune to criminal process, including investigations and subpoenas. The Court thereby sent the powerful message that no president is above the law. Like ordinary citizens, the president is subject to generally applicable criminal laws, both state and federal. Although the Supreme Court did not address whether a sitting president can be indicted, even the Office of Legal Counsel’s (OLC) opinions that a president should not be indicted while in office accept that he could be indicted and prosecuted immediately following the end of his term. Existing OLC opinions also recognize that a sitting president can be criminally investigated by the Justice Department. Indeed, that is precisely what Robert Mueller did. There are some extreme scenarios that surely would cause even the OLC to rethink its own preference for deferred prosecution; for example, if the president is in the course of carrying out an ongoing violent crime (shooting people on Fifth Avenue) or a military coup, he should be subject to arrest.

Still, an expansive vision of presidential powers under Article II has made dangerous inroads on our constitutional democracy, fueled by a legal fiction known as the theory of the “unitary executive.” This theory was originally a thesis about the president’s power to remove upper level executive branch officials, but it has broadened over the years to justify virtually limitless use of presidential power. As President Trump once put it, “I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president.”

Law Professor John Yoo and other Justice Department lawyers used unitary executive theory during the Bush Administration to justify torture in the face of federal criminal statutes and international treaties forbidding torture. William Barr, as a private lawyer before he became Trump’s Attorney General, auditioned for the job with a 19-page memo in 2018 arguing that the president is constitutionally incapable of committing the crime of obstruction of justice under Article II if he fires an FBI Director or federal prosecutor specifically in order to impede an ongoing criminal investigation, even one investigating himself. Special Counsel Robert Mueller took the opposite stance in Part II of the Mueller Report, where he provided a roadmap for a possible indictment of President Trump for obstruction of justice in the Russia investigation after he leaves office, though Mueller acknowledged that he was bound by the prevailing DOJ practice forbidding indictment of a sitting president.

In 2020, Trump called upon John Yoo for advice on how he could use his power as president under Article II to skirt Congress and impose his own policies on matters such as DACA, healthcare, tax policy, and criminal justice. The same thinking may have helped devise the convoluted legal excuse that nominally allowed the Attorney General to send federal agents into Portland to protect federal courthouses and monuments against protestors seeking to exercise their right to free speech under the First Amendment. One of us wrote against the invocation of the Insurrection Act then; still more does the idea shock and trouble us now. Clearly it is time for the Justice Department to rethink its policy prohibiting indictment of a sitting president. An overly expansive interpretation of presidential powers under Article II has misled one administration after another into thinking that the president is above the law, and our democracy has increasingly paid the price. Having reached the point that a sitting president is seriously contemplating using the military to overturn an election, it should be clear that we need to rethink our approach to presidential power. The Court’s decision in Trump v. Vance, which tells us that no president is above the law, shows us where to begin.

Trump’s impeachment foreshadowed the damage he has wreaked in the six weeks since Biden beat him in the election and demonstrated his elevation of self over country, his willingness to subvert democracy, and the GOP’s refusal to constrain his behavior . . .

The Court’s decision in Trump v. Vance, which tells us that no president is above the law, shows us where to begin.

This is a long conjectural, speculative, exposition of possibilities and interpretations with the chance that it may all come to fruition being, as mentioned in the second paragraph, "extremely low." It is all based on the notion that there is an attempt to subvert the Constitution rather than an attempt to preserve it.

This paragraph from your post is interesting: Still, an expansive vision of presidential powers under Article II has made dangerous inroads on our constitutional democracy, fueled by a legal fiction known as the theory of the “unitary executive.” This theory was originally a thesis about the president’s power to remove upper level executive branch officials, but it has broadened over the years to justify virtually limitless use of presidential power. As President Trump once put it, “I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president.”


I don't know why the author considers the "unitary executive" to be a fiction. It was debated in the Constitutional Convention and decided that rather than having more than one executive it would be better to have only one. From Wiki:

In 1788, the letters of the Federal Farmer were published, generally considered among the most astute of Anti-Federalist writings. The pseudonymous Federal Farmer defended the proposed unitary executive, arguing that "a single man seems to be peculiarly well circumstanced to superintend the execution of laws with discernment and decision, with promptitude and uniformity."

Meanwhile, Federalists such as James Madison were emphasizing an additional advantage of a unitary executive. In Federalist No. 51, he wrote that an undivided executive would strengthen the ability of the executive to resist encroachments by the legislature: "As the weight of the legislative authority requires that it should be thus divided [into branches], the weakness of the executive may require, on the other hand, that it should be fortified." Alexander Hamilton later pointed out that the Constitution grants executive power and legislative power in different ways, with the legislative powers of Congress being expressly limited to what is "herein granted," unlike executive powers which are not expressly limited by an enumeration. Hamilton wrote: In the article which gives the legislative powers of the government, the expressions are "All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a congress of the United States." In that which grants the executive power, the expressions are "The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States." The enumeration ought therefore to be considered, as intended merely to specify the principal articles implied in the definition of executive power. ...

So, Trump's simplistically artless "I have the right to do whatever I want as president” is a crude iteration of a President having the power to do whatever Article II says he can do as President.

And, so far, he has not abandoned the Constitution--except in your obsessive nightmare. But the growth of Presidential power, along with the expanded power of the whole central government, has long preceded Trump. And it has been a deliberate expansion toward the Progressive administrative state. Which is not constitutional.

"The left-wing outrage is predictably over the top. The request here is simple: bring a case before the Supreme Court that would end both democracy and federalism for all time. Why is everyone so mad?"
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"The left-wing outrage is predictably over the top. The request here is simple: bring a case before the Supreme Court that would end both democracy and federalism for all time. Why is everyone so mad?"
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That's not going to happen. "The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters"

Noted Rino Karl Rove called the advice given to Trump by the lawyer and the former national security adviser "idiotic" and "unbelievable."
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Noted Rino Karl Rove called the advice given to Trump by the lawyer and the former national security adviser "idiotic" and "unbelievable."
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Good for swampman Rove. He gets a lot of things right. But remember, you don't think Trump listens to his lawyers and advisers. So you needn't obsess on your orange monster nightmare . . . unless its actually a pleasant dream.

Good for swampman Rove. He gets a lot of things right. But remember, you don't think Trump listens to his lawyers and advisers. So you needn't obsess on your orange monster nightmare . . . unless its actually a pleasant dream.

No, I think Tweety listens to those who parrot what he wants to hear, Rudy, Powell, Flynn and drives those that insist he follow the rule of law out.
Because it’s simple. You cannot honor your oath to uphold the constitution, even at the margins and simultaneously serve Tweety.

They’re mutually exclusive.
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I saw that rove promptly branded a Rino for not being subservient to Trump and declaring total loyalty.. trump wants to be Kim Jong UN or his father add his name to anything below and its not to far off from what Trump and his supporters think already

North Korea claims that its leader Kim Jong-un is "too perfect to need to urinate or defecate" well we know Trumps full of #^&#^&#^&#^&

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His trademark haircut is reportedly one of 28 approved cuts for men in North Korea

KIM COULD DRIVE BY AGE THREE

EVERYONE IN NORTH KOREA VOTED FOR HIM (LITERALLY) North America

Not one person voted against Kim Jong-un in his first electoral test - and EVERYBODY voted. 2nd electoral test for Trump

Kim Jong-il also had the best golfing record in history Kim Jong-il had scored five holes-in-one,

I saw that rove promptly branded a Rino for not being subservient to Trump

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keep a close eye on those right wing websites and please keep us informed as to what they are up to over there :jester:

The latest achievement the rightwing’s claiming for Tweety.

Only 4 presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 5 presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 13 presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 1 has done all 3!
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No, I think Tweety listens to those who parrot what he wants to hear, Rudy, Powell, Flynn and drives those that insist he follow the rule of law out.
Because it’s simple. You cannot honor your oath to uphold the constitution, even at the margins and simultaneously serve Tweety.

They’re mutually exclusive.
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Oh, so he does listen to his advisers. Naughty, naughty . . . you were fibbing about this for four years.

And he has been following the rule of law, as it has become under Progressive "evolution", all along. He has not disobeyed the courts if they determine that he is wrong about something (those decisions being mostly split) until he gets it right.

See, you're making it about Trump, which leads down the rabbit hole of personal animosity being applied to legal procedure. The degree of how "authoritarian" his personality is only becomes a threat if the system under which he operates is, in itself, authoritarian. We have had many, if not all, Presidents who have had authoritarian personalities to some degree. Some, who have been labeled "great," have been as, or more, authoritarian in nature than Trump, such as Jackson, Roosevelt (both), and LBJ. Some, mostly Democrats, have actually defied the Court and abandoned the Constitution.

It has been the Progressive orientation of politicians in concert with their Progressive cohort in the Courts that have brought about conditions in our governmental system that allow for a continuing degradation of the Constitution. The original Progressives even openly stated that the Constitution is an obstacle to their theory of what and how a government should be--which is a bureaucracy of experts who are unimpeded in legislative power to regulate us in what they consider the most equitable and beneficial way.

We are on the brink of removing what is left of the Constitution's system of protecting our "unalienable" rights, which precede government, and transforming that system into one which tells us what our rights . . .for the moment . . . are. A totally elastic system of "experts" appointed by authoritarian politicians who are mediocre in nature but charismatic or seemingly "appropriate" in every way, who we supposedly voted into office, but who actually are chosen to run by the rich and powerful, regardless of under which co-opted party banner they run.

The Constitution has become a quaint piece of history that has run its course.

We are on the brink of discarding a historically unexpected system in which the individual is the model that it protects, to a system of artificially created competing group behaviors which depend on it for their nurture and existence. A system that defines us instead of we defining ourselves. A system in which any semblance of individual rights resides only in those who hold the ultimate power. An ancient system which seems inherent in the nature of human interaction, and which has thrived in all cultures larger than tiny local tribes. A system, repeated under different names and structures, of the ruling class and its dependents who eventually become some sort of willing or unwilling slaves.

We are on the brink of discarding a system which constrains the inevitable authoritarians among us who will, by their nature, be those who we choose to be our public leaders, and trading that for a system which is, itself, authoritarian. In this particular instance, "we" throw out someone we call authoritarian, and replace him with a system that is authoritarian. But we somehow believe that this time around, it will finally be a good thing.

Of course, the "we" is not clearly defined. In our post modern way, "we" is a social construct. It is whatever we want it to be. And those who hold the power, naturally, define it for us. It is no accident we have those groups, competing at times violently and usually confrontationally, some of which never existed before and some that defy what we consider nature. It is no easy task to strip a nation of individuals from their identity as such. All the traditions, customs, laws, and religions that lead to and support an inviolable belief in the sovereignty of the individual must be destroyed if individuals are to be subsumed into pliable and dependent groups. And the groups must take precedence over the individual. And so we have that as an essential step toward our reincarnated form of "benevolent" dictatorship which we call Progressivism along with its elaborate system of regulatory agencies tasked with the real work of crafting for us what we can do and how.

This refurbished form of power over the masses, the Progressive administrative state, is one of the most seductive sounding ones. It has the smack of logic, intelligence, and power all geared toward making the lives of "the people" comfortable and secure. But it is an ancient story molded to suit the transformation of plucky, resistant, individually oriented people who have strayed from the expected obeisance of the masses, and have a willingness to fight for freedom, into pliable, weak groups who threaten one another so that they must turn toward government for protection and existence.

But even the benevolent, though authoritarian, idea of Progressive government is, inevitably, corruptible. And that has been happening as well. Those unavoidable, predictable, indomitable power seekers among us are going to ply their might no matter the system. Our constitutional system was one of the best, if not the best, way to defend against them. But as we have lost our taste for the hard way of freedom, it has become easier for them to make inroads into our powers of government. They have found it easier to do so as we have become more Progressive and less constitutional--naturally since an authoritarian system is more amenable to their quest for power.

And the power seekers are even using the ancient tactic of creating an empire which conquers as much territory as they can. Most of the supposedly "known" world was captured by the Romans and the Mongols. The Muslims came close to repeating that. This time the target is the globe. We refer to them as globalists--disparagingly by some, admiringly by others.

Trump was an outlier. He didn't, nor did he seem to desire to do so, fit into any category. He was an outlier. A threat to the direction of globalist plans and policies and to the Progressive destruction of the Constitution. A threat to what was steadily and more easily achievable globalist aspirations and totally authoritarian governance. So he had to be removed. And no governmental obstacle could stand in the way of his removal.

Fait accompli, we can now look forward to an authoritarian system of government being the handmaiden of our new age crony corporate ruling class in its quest for global economic power. China will be back in the fold, with its own desires for global power. Somehow, that is supposed to work itself out.

Probably more revolutions coming. Don't know if we can repeat our constitutional one. Maybe a better one. Or . . . our human quest for something or other goes on until the earth explodes.

Well, that’s a dark view of the world
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The world is a place where living things struggle and fight one another to exist. A place where lifeless matter must be harnessed in some way so that life continues. A place where human life has somehow managed to not yet fall into what seems inevitable extinction. To a great degree, we have done so by creating various civilizations, small to great.

We humans have our competitions. For sport or for existence. They seem to be a necessary trait for that survival. However it came about, in order to escape the existential "darkness" of survival, we have strived to create some form of Shangri la. Some place of peace, security, and joy. In this war against the threats to life, we became dominant among living things to the point that we were our greatest threat to each other.

In a unique circumstance in the annals of created civilizations, an advanced people discovered a place where they could be free from the tyrannies of the ruling class model. They were permitted by their isolation from that model to experience what individual freedom was like. And they liked it enough to fight to keep it. And they created a marvelous plan for government that would protect that freedom. As Franklin said, a republic if you can keep it.

It was probably only a matter of time, as the Founders predicted, that the "new world" would succumb to the old pattern. And that plan of government would go the way of the world and become extinct.

You may call that "dark." It is what it is.

Oh, so he does listen to his advisers. Naughty, naughty . . . you were fibbing about this for four years.

And he has been following the rule of law, as it has become under Progressive "evolution", all along. He has not disobeyed the courts if they determine that he is wrong about something (those decisions being mostly split) until he gets it right.

See, you're making it about Trump, which leads down the rabbit hole of personal animosity being applied to legal procedure. The degree of how "authoritarian" his personality is only becomes a threat if the system under which he operates is, in itself, authoritarian. We have had many, if not all, Presidents who have had authoritarian personalities to some degree. Some, who have been labeled "great," have been as, or more, authoritarian in nature than Trump, such as Jackson, Roosevelt (both), and LBJ. Some, mostly Democrats, have actually defied the Court and abandoned the Constitution.

It has been the Progressive orientation of politicians in concert with their Progressive cohort in the Courts that have brought about conditions in our governmental system that allow for a continuing degradation of the Constitution. The original Progressives even openly stated that the Constitution is an obstacle to their theory of what and how a government should be--which is a bureaucracy of experts who are unimpeded in legislative power to regulate us in what they consider the most equitable and beneficial way.

We are on the brink of removing what is left of the Constitution's system of protecting our "unalienable" rights, which precede government, and transforming that system into one which tells us what our rights . . .for the moment . . . are. A totally elastic system of "experts" appointed by authoritarian politicians, mediocre in nature but charismatic or seemingly "appropriate" in every way, who we supposedly voted into office, but who actually are chosen to run by the rich and powerful, regardless of under which co-opted party banner they run.

The Constitution has become a quaint piece of history that has run its course.

We are on the brink of discarding a historically unexpected system in which the individual is the model which it protects, to a system of artificially created competing group behaviors which depend on it for their nurture and existence. A system that defines us instead of we defining ourselves. A system in which any semblance of individual rights resides only in those who hold the ultimate power. An ancient system which seems inherent in the nature of human interaction, and which has thrived in all cultures larger than tiny local tribes. A system, repeated under different names and structures, of the ruling class and its dependents who eventually become some sort of willing or unwilling slaves.

We are on the brink of discarding a system which constrains the inevitable authoritarians among us who will, by their nature, be those who we choose to be our public leaders, and trading that for a system which is, itself, authoritarian. In this particular instance, "we" throw out someone we call authoritarian, and replace him with a system that is authoritarian. But we somehow believe that this time around, it will finally be a good thing.

Of course, the "we" is not clearly defined. In our post modern way, "we" is a social construct. It is whatever we want it to be. And those who hold the power, naturally, define it for us. It is no accident we have those groups, competing at times violently and usually confrontationally, some of which never existed before and some that defy what we consider nature. It is no easy task to strip a nation of individuals from their identity as such. All the traditions, customs, laws, and religions that lead to and support an inviolable belief in the sovereignty of the individual must be destroyed if individuals are to be subsumed into pliable and dependent groups. And the groups must take precedence over the individual. And so we have that as an essential step toward our reincarnated "benevolent" dictatorship which we call Progressivism along with its elaborate system of regulatory agencies tasked with the real work of crafting for us what we can do and how.

This refurbished form of power over the masses, the Progressive administrative state, is one of the most seductive sounding ones. It has the smack of logic, intelligence, and power all geared toward making the lives of "the people" comfortable and secure. But it is an ancient story molded to suit the transformation of plucky, resistant, individually oriented people who have strayed from the expected obeisance of the masses, and have a willingness to fight for freedom, into pliable, weak groups who threaten one another so that they must turn toward government for protection and existence.

But even the benevolent, though authoritarian, idea of Progressive government is, inevitably, corruptible. And that has been happening as well. Those unavoidable, predictable, indomitable power seekers among us are going to ply their might no matter the system. Our constitutional system was one of the best, if not the best, way to defend against them. But as we have lost our taste for the hard way of freedom, it has become easier for them to make inroads into our powers of government. They have found it easier to do so as we have become more Progressive and less constitutional--naturally since an authoritarian system is more amenable to their quest for power.

And the power seekers are even using the ancient tactic of creating an empire which conquers as much territory as they can. Most of the supposedly "known" world was captured by the Romans and the Mongols. The Muslims came close to repeating that. This time the target is the globe. We refer to them as globalists--disparagingly by some, admiringly by others.

Trump was an outlier. He didn't, nor did he seem to desire to do so, fit into any category. He was an outlier. A threat to the direction of globalist plans and policies and to the Progressive destruction of the Constitution. A threat to what was steadily and more easily achievable globalist aspirations and totally authoritarian governance. So he had to be removed. And no governmental obstacle could stand in the way of his removal.

Fait accompli, we can now look forward to an authoritarian system of government being the handmaiden of our new age crony corporate ruling class in its quest for global economic power. China will be back in the fold, with its own desires for global power. Somehow, that is supposed to work itself out.

Probably more revolutions coming. Don't know if we can repeat our constitutional one. Maybe a better one. Or . . . our human quest for something or other goes on until the earth explodes.


It’s about progressive’s and their evil doings

as if we have never had a Republican President or a Republican house or senate or in your world they are progressives Prinos
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It’s about progressive’s and their evil doings

as if we have never had a Republican President or a Republican house or senate or in your world they are progressives Prinos
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I don't know exactly what you're trying to say here. And I suspect you don't fully know what I'm saying in the post to which you are responding. Your world of Democrats and Republicans has become a fiction propagated to make us think we have more than a skin deep choice. We apparently live in different worlds and never the twain shall meet.

Well your man who’s saving the world as you like it just pardoned a guy, Charles Kushner, who in case you needed reminding, hatched a plot that involved hiring a prostitute to lure his brother-in-law into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey, motel room as a hidden camera rolled. A tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner’s sister.
Talk about family values
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Well your man who’s saving the world as you like it just pardoned a guy, Charles Kushner, who in case you needed reminding, hatched a plot that involved hiring a prostitute to lure his brother-in-law into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey, motel room as a hidden camera rolled. A tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner’s sister.
Talk about family values


He's not my man. You keep trying to pawn him off on me. It's just another of your never ending flow of lies. I don't care who he pardoned. It's constitutional. And if a liar like you is trying to make some negative story about it, there's probably more to the story and no incentive you've given me to believe anything you say.

And I don't know why a lying snake like you thinks he has any creds to talk about or support family values. You want to pile the blame on Trump for leading us into fascism, or authoritarianism, or a Nazi state? Yeah, well its people like you who prefer giving more power over to the political movement that has actually been leading us into anti freedom, anti family values, anti individual agency, groupism, and the general destruction of the republic that was founded--all in order to give us over to a softly despotic government that is cousin to all the isms that you want to lay on Trump because you hate him and have to tell lie after lie to convince the rest of us to hate and fear him and that he had to go.

He's been your nightmare, not mine. I hope him well, considering what the likes of you has done to him. Other than that, I don't care about him. Whatever little temporary barrier he stood against the Progressive swarm is gone. Maybe the Republican party has learned how to fight against it, if there are enough members to take up that fight with the fearlessness that Trump showed. Or they can just go cowering back into their me too corner with their thumbs in their mouth, McCain or Romney-like with their smug, mealy mouthed, politically correct version of "presidential" so they can get a few nods of approval from the NYT or NBC. And maybe even your vote every now and then. But only if they keep moving along with the rest of the Progressive movement which is making it easier for the ruling class to herd us into the little niches they give us space to inhabit.

And, yeah, they will have to give us the impression that they are creating the little Shangri la of pleasant distractions made available to us via the IT control it is harnessing to replace the outdated notion of self worth with an endless array of entertainment at our fingertips. And whatever government created job or subsidy that is enough to keep us in a robotic state of satisfaction. Maybe more golf courses. Fishing may get more and more regulated.

The regulators will make it easier to depend on them rather than family, especially make it easy not to keep producing too many babies that family folks are prone to do. That sort of thing creates too many problems for an authoritarian state. The larger the population, the more difficult to control without physical force. Soft despotism requires a smaller, softer, pliant, population.

Putin smiles. Success beyond his wildest dreams. Surely he thought this useful idiot could not destroy this much this fast.
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He's not my man. You keep trying to pawn him off on me. It's just another of your never ending flow of lies. I don't care who he pardoned. It's constitutional. And if a liar like you is trying to make some negative story about it, there's probably more to the story and no incentive you've given me to believe anything you say.

And I don't know why a lying snake like you thinks he has any creds to talk about or support family values. You want to pile the blame on Trump for leading us into fascism, or authoritarianism, or a Nazi state? Yeah, well its people like you who prefer giving more power over to the political movement that has actually been leading us into anti freedom, anti family values, anti individual agency, groupism, and the general destruction of the republic that was founded--all in order to give us over to a softly despotic government that is cousin to all the isms that you want to lay on Trump because you hate him and have to tell lie after lie to convince the rest of us to hate and fear him and that he had to go.

He's been your nightmare, not mine. I hope him well, considering what the likes of you has done to him. Other than that, I don't care about him. Whatever little temporary barrier he stood against the Progressive swarm is gone. Maybe the Republican party has learned how to fight against it, if there are enough members to take up that fight with the fearlessness that Trump showed. Or they can just go cowering back into their me too corner with their thumbs in their mouth, McCain or Romney-like with their smug, mealy mouthed, politically correct version of "presidential" so they can get a few nods of approval from the NYT or NBC. And maybe even your vote every now and then. But only if they keep moving along with the rest of the Progressive movement which is making it easier for the ruling class to herd us into the little niches they give us space to inhabit.

And, yeah, they will have to give us the impression that they are creating the little Shangri la of pleasant distractions made available to us via the IT control it is harnessing to replace the outdated notion of self worth with an endless array of entertainment at our fingertips. And whatever government created job or subsidy that is enough to keep us in a robotic state of satisfaction. Maybe more golf courses. Fishing may get more and more regulated.

The regulators will make it easier to depend on them rather than family, especially make it easy not to keep producing too many babies that family folks are prone to do. That sort of thing creates too many problems for an authoritarian state. The larger the population, the more difficult to control without physical force. Soft despotism requires a smaller, softer, pliant, population.
You could be all set with the government of your dreams in Hungary, Poland or Turkey
Good strong leaders not putting up with all the globalist baloney.
Remember this statement “I thought Orban was fulfilling the wishes of the majority of the Hungarian people. He was duly elected wasn't he? What is the undemocratic power that he has developed? Is hungry no longer a democracy?”

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Further continuation of your idiotic lies. Putin doesn't have the leverage to control or influence us. China does. And China, not Trump, nor even our bumbling state governors and legislators, are responsible for the destruction you speak of. Trump's policies, BTW, are creating a faster recovery than thought possible. Oh, oh, that's right, it's all a continuation of Obama's economy.

No doubt Biden will see to it that China will be appropriately punished. Mabey with more lucrative deals there for hunter and the Biden family.

You could be all set with the government of your dreams in Hungary, Poland or Turkey
Good strong leaders not putting up with all the globalist baloney.
Remember this statement “I thought Orban was fulfilling the wishes of the majority of the Hungarian people. He was duly elected wasn't he? What is the undemocratic power that he has developed? Is hungry no longer a democracy?”

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Again, with your lies. The only government of my dreams at this point is the one created by our Founders. Never said that Hungary, Poland, or Turkey had the government of my dreams.

My question re Orban was sarcastic. Constantly referring to "our democracy" rather than our Republic is a small piece of the way our system of government is transformed. We are not a democracy. Although, we are trending more and more to be one. The notion is certainly implanted in our brains by our ruling class politicians who really don't like our republican form of democratic constitutionalism. It's one of the plethora of verbal tricks and redefinitions our Progressive ruling class foists on us to help ease the mental transition to an administrative form of government.

So, yes Hungary is a "democracy," not necessarily in the mode that the EU would like, but one, nonetheless, where elections are held to determine the government leaders. There may be, however, various forms of rigging, which democracies are prone to, and which occur in the U.S. and it's various states. So there's your precious "democracy." As we become more and more of one, not constrained by constitutional checks and balance (you know--like how Progressive government theory detests the notion that government can be checked) we can expect things like Orban. I know you think Trump is an American version of Orban, or Hitler, but that's a stretch. Being nationalistic is not being dictatorial. And it wasn't Trump who shut the country down a la Orban. That was not his wish. He worked to open up the economy which frees up our individual initiatives. It's the left who demanded and keeps demanding shutdowns, lockdowns, bans on individual and even group behavior, who can stay in business and who goes bankrupt. It is our Progressive element that mimics "democratic" authoritarian regulators. Covid provided them with an opportunity to further acclimate us to unchecked, unlimited government.

Freedom in America 2020:

In our Very Serious Country Full of Real Grownups, a strip club was open during a pandemic and people can own AK-47 rifles so that when they have a temper tantrum over having to wear masks, they can make a run at a mass killing.
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Freedom in America 2020:

In our Very Serious Country Full of Real Grownups, a strip club was open during a pandemic and people can own AK-47 rifles so that when they have a temper tantrum over having to wear masks, they can make a run at a mass killing.
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Well, that’s a dark view of the world

“Do you believe a president can lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont asked during Barr’s January 2019 confirmation hearing.

“No, that would be a crime,” Barr said in response.
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“Do you believe a president can lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont asked during Barr’s January 2019 confirmation hearing.

“No, that would be a crime,” Barr said in response.
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You don't like Barr and I don't like Leahy, so that's a wash. The commission of a crime has to be proven. If your insinuating Trump committed a crime, that's all it is, an insinuation. You do that (insinuate, conjecture, create innuendo) maybe even more than you lie. But, then, insinuation in order to make it seem that something is real, is a sort of lie.

“Do you believe a president can lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont asked during Barr’s January 2019 confirmation hearing.

“No, that would be a crime,” Barr said in response.
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Just a historical quote, for the record.
We’ll see what happens with a new AG and the evidence, won’t we.
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Just a historical quote, for the record.
We’ll see what happens with a new AG and the evidence, won’t we.


There are a lot of "histsorical quotes" made by you re Mueller report and impeachment . . . and we saw what happened.

Tweety obstructed justice and then rewarded his accomplices with pardons?
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Tweety obstructed justice and then rewarded his accomplices with pardons?
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Trump didn't

Trump is still holding on to conspiracy theories and wide spread voter fraud, in spite of court after court throwing it out if they even take up the case. Now Trump spends an hour on the phone attempting to encourage the Secretary of State in George to essentially commit a felony by coming up with enough Trump votes to overturn the election results. Thankfully he was told repeatedly in essence it’s over, you lost and your information is wrong.

Trump is still holding on to conspiracy theories and wide spread voter fraud, in spite of court after court throwing it out if they even take up the case. Now Trump spends an hour on the phone attempting to encourage the Secretary of State in George to essentially commit a felony by coming up with enough Trump votes to overturn the election results. Thankfully he was told repeatedly in essence it’s over, you lost and your information is wrong.
Just listened to the audio highlights, crazy is that it's no surprise just Typical Trump. It sounded like the GA election officials we're having a hard time not just laughing at him.

EVERY living Secretary of Defense has signed onto a statement:
Involving the military in election disputes would cross into dangerous territory.
These people are neither partisans or alarmists.
That they chose as a group to do this should worry all American patriots
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Long live the king or so he thought that’s how this reality TV show would end.

Sounded so swamp like.
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Who feeds the nonsense he believes to be fact, now he is back on his own CDC director, claiming the death numbers are fake news, it must be embarrassing for republicans with a brain watching their president act like a complete loon.

As we get closer to January 20th, expect Tweety’s desperation to go to 11. He knows his next stop is Indictment City.
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He knows his next stop is Indictment City.

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where is this in proximity to your bunker?

it must be embarrassing for republicans with a brain watching their president act like a complete loon.



have ya watched biden attempt to speak?

have ya watched biden attempt to speak?

Yo, Semite apparently you didn’t pay attention to the linguistically challenged Tweety.
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Rather listen to a old politician (term limits would take care of that issue for both sides of the divide) with a stutter speaking truth, who lives in the real world than an old TV game show host who can't speak truth and lives in conspiracy theory world.

old politician with a stutter

.

oh, that explains it :rollem:

Here's your sane well spoken leader


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA&t=283s

The George DA is speaking to Trump like someone talking to their parent suffering from dementia, you want to be respectful, but no Dad it's not time for breakfast it's time for bed.

The George DA is speaking to Trump like someone talking to their parent suffering from dementia, you want to be respectful, but no Dad it's not time for breakfast it's time for bed.
Well, to be fair. When you're talking to the most powerful person in the world who's personally threatening you if you don't break the law...you'll probably try and be a little delicate.

And Jim's still crying about people wanting to impeach Trump, how about now???????

The George



you are on a roll....

Well, to be fair. When you're talking to the most powerful person in the world who's personally threatening you if you don't break the law...you'll probably try and be a little delicate.

And Jim's still crying about people wanting to impeach Trump, how about now???????

what did he threaten him with?...time in the gulag?

btw...if trump is putin's puppet that would make putin the most powerful person in the world

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Just listened to the audio highlights, crazy is that it's no surprise just Typical Trump. It sounded like the GA election officials we're having a hard time not just laughing at him.

Read the transcript. Pretty pathetic.


Trump: And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots, but they used them three times. So that’s, you know, a lot of votes. And they were all to Biden, by the way, that’s the other thing we didn’t say. You know the [name], one thing I forgot to say which was the most important. Do you know that every single ballot she did went to Biden? You know that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad?

Every single ballot that she did through the machine at early, early in the morning, went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?

GERMANY: That’s not accurate, Mr. President.

TRUMP: Huh. What is accurate?

GERMANY: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.

Mic Drop on whiny POTUS

what did he threaten him with?...time in the gulag?

btw...if trump is putin's puppet that would make putin the most powerful person in the world
Are you in line for a Congressional Medal of Freedom also?
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you are on a roll....

Oooooooh a spell check typo again, are you having an issue with comprehension, I guess you don't do well in word board games, you better get points spotted before starting one with your kids.

I think you get a choice don't you, Pardon or Medal

Oooooooh a spell check typo again, are you having an issue with comprehension, I guess you don't do well in word board games, you better get points spotted before starting one with your kids.

It’s how you do it that is amusing and for most people spell check is a benefit.......
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It’s how you do it that is amusing and for most people spell check is a benefit.......
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If you can’t follow I will have to take more thyme in typing a post.

With those great negotiating skills demonstrated by President Trump on that call I'm surprised that the Secretary of State didn't give in. It's amazing he couldn't resist agreeing with that sparkling analysis.
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With those great negotiating skills demonstrated by President Trump on that call I'm surprised that the Secretary of State didn't give in. It's amazing he couldn't resist agreeing with that sparkling analysis.
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I know the art of the deal should have had a slam dunk there.

Just to make sure that Perdue and Loeffler succeed
Tweety’s closing message in Georgia Senate runoffs: “I’ll be here in about a year and a half campaigning against your governor, I guarantee you that.”
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If you can’t follow I will have to take more thyme in typing a post.

see that's not funny....but if you call people stupid and then spell stupid wrong or decide it's 2121...that's funny

or write "The George DA is speaking to Trump like someone talking to their parent suffering from dementia"

and suggest someone else may be suffering from dementia...

that's funny...not the dementia part but your inability to recognize the irony


can you follow that?

see that's not funny....but if you call people stupid and then spell stupid wrong or decide it's 2121...that's funny

or write "The George DA is speaking to Trump like someone talking to their parent suffering from dementia"

and suggest someone else may be suffering from dementia...

that's funny...not the dementia part but your inability to recognize the irony


can you follow that?
Just let him spread some more of his well thought common sense. The guy is gold!

Just let him spread some more of his well thought common sense. The guy is gold!

Bad English there try again
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Bad English there try again
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As if you are capable of knowing the difference.🤫

As if you are capable of knowing the difference.🤫

An autofill typo is to be expected when you aren't really all that concerned about the meaning getting across, you just plain missed an entire word to make that sentence work, you elementary school English teacher wouldn't be happy with that one.

An autofill typo is to be expected when you aren't really all that concerned about the meaning getting across, you just plain missed an entire word to make that sentence work, you elementary school English teacher wouldn't be happy with that one.
More gold🥳
( peg hid the glasses again)
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