I used to think I was pretty much just a regular person, but I was born “white” into a two-parent household which now labels me as "Privileged", racist and responsible for slavery. I am a fiscal and moral conservative, which by today's standards, makes me a fascist because I plan & budget. But I now find out that I am not here because I earned it, but because I was "advantaged”.
I am heterosexual, which according to some folks, now makes me a homophobe. I am not a Muslim, which now labels me as an infidel. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, which makes me a threat to the liberals and I get labeled as being part of a militia. I am older than 40, making me a useless person with outdated ideas and values. I think and I reason, and I doubt much of what the "mainstream" media tells me, which makes me a "Right-wing conspiracy nut”.
I am proud of my heritage and our inclusive American culture, making me a xenophobe. I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individual's merits, which today makes me a target of socialists and Antifa. I believe our system guarantees freedom of effort - not freedom of outcome or subsidies which must make me a borderline sociopath.
I believe in a strong defense and protection of America for and by all citizens, now making me a militant. I am proud of our flag, what it stands for and the many who died to let it fly, so I stand and salute during our National Anthem - so I must be a racist. I kneel only for The Cross, which makes me racist. I think that all lives matter, which labels me as a racist. I think the riots and destruction of property around our country are wrong and are just an excuse to push a political agenda, so I'm labeled a racist.
I support our law enforcement, servicemen and women, which labels me as a racist.
I question how fear is being used to control us during the COVID-19 pandemic and think the crisis is being used for political gain, so I'm labeled careless and non-sympathetic. Yet I know the virus is real.
Liberals have tried to make me feel bad about who I am! Based on everything above, some want me to believe I am a bad person; I'm not, I'm a good person who loves my God, my family and my country📷📷📷 God bless America! 📷📷📷📷📷
Feel free to copy-paste !!! I did!

there was a time when liberals were actually liberal in the honest sense of the word - tolerant, inclusive, welcoming of any and all ideas. Today, it’s hard to believe that even a liberal would pretend that’s still the case. everyone who disagrees with them about anything, is a hate monger.

Take the hate as a compliment. It’s easier to disparage you than it is to make a sane case that you’re wrong.
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Nothing like a little Boxing Day hyperbole :rollem:
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Nothing like a little Boxing Day hyperbole :rollem:
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And talk about the most simplistic take on every one of those issues. Good Lord 🥴
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OK, Jeff. Come back here. Please explain which definition of hyperbole you are choosing, and please point to the statement which you are referring to.... You don't get to take that pot shot here today... I will be bacl later.

Nothing like a little Boxing Day hyperbole :rollem:
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because hilary didn’t call us deplorable and irredeemable, obama didn’t call us bitter
clingers who dislike people
who don’t look like them.

Obama’s deputy chief of staff didn’t call republicans fu—ers.

Biden didn’t say that republicans want to put blacks in chains?

where’s the hyperbole there, madam? Be specific?

i’m not saying there aren’t blind haters on the right. but the left no longer wants to talk about ideas or results. just show you how
much they hate conservatives.

all they have, is hate. Trump
made it easy i guess, but it started with Bush. He proved them
wrong on Iraq being fixable, he made them look stupid, and they blew a gasket. After that, he was a racist warmonger, McCain was a senile old racist, Romney a heartless plutocrat who hated women.


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This type of thinking - the feeling of guilt is designed to subconsciously limit your own ambitions, to put you against others and to stifle growth so the ruling class can continue ruling.
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This is what white grievances looks like and the imaginary world the writer lives in and what sites like newmax and other sell to their audience daily

Victim hood and grievances is the new conservatives ideal, and trumps the cherry on Top . It’s easier than ideas it doesn’t require thought or critical thinking , lies are easy truth is hard and conservatives have walked away from Truth and facts and have embraced outrage and attack the other who is trying to steal their America...

Conservatives have packaged it so. Antifa liberal BLM the squad the deep state socialist communist China the media Rinos all enemies of the 1 and only true Americans , all in the name of outrage

Everything’s a lie everyone’s lying the Media and be tech are out to get us , they hate us because of our religion it rigged

funny Jim mentioned Republicans and ideas in the same sentence that’s a oxymoron

This is what white grievances looks like and the imaginary world the writer lives in and what sites like newmax and other sell to their audience daily

Victim hood and grievances is the new conservatives ideal, and trumps the cherry on Top . It’s easier than ideas it doesn’t require thought or critical thinking , lies are easy truth is hard and conservatives have walked away from Truth and facts and have embraced outrage and attack the other who is trying to steal their America...

Conservatives have packaged it so. Antifa liberal BLM the squad the deep state socialist communist China the media Rinos all enemies of the 1 and only true Americans , all in the name of outrage

Everything’s a lie everyone’s lying the Media and be tech are out to get us , they hate us because of our religion it rigged

funny Jim mentioned Republicans and ideas in the same sentence that’s a oxymoron

you’re saying the idea behind the post is made up...ok...

did obama say conservatives are bitter clingers and racist?

Did Hilary say we are deplorable
and irredeemable?

Did Biden say republicans want to put blacks in chains?

Did i make any of those up?

If republicans don’t have good ideas, can you explain why people are fleeing democrat states for republican states?

vague, stupid, brain damaged, hollow insults. The ideas of individual liberty, fiscal sanity, the preciousness of life, the value of the traditional family, strong national
defense, helping those in need, these are kooky ideas to you?

Let’s boil it down to this...no one in
the gop has any use at all for all sharpton. People on the left, cannot run for president without bowing before him and kissing his ring. Why is that?


Good luck with all that nonsensical gibberish.
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I have to say I am pretty shocked at the direction this went... Shocked with the first half sentence of WDMSO's post...
These are representative of my views and reactions to being libeled. labeled, and called names to fit in a group. I object to being put in one silo, or another. These values are what I was brought up to believe were shared American values shared across the board by the America I knew. Raised by the Greatest Generation. NOT the Woodstock generation, you know, the one that sold our industry to China and created the one percenters grouping for themselves.... This is not me being a victim, so get off that horse. This is me saying, stop, no, you are wrong, or not listening. I will stand up for those values. I am not going to sit idle, quiet, accepting of someone putting an incorrect label on me. It was my generation that saw the greatest influence of change and grew up with more acceptance of civil rights as a given than any generation before us. We saw the change and therefore revolt at being libeled. And no where did I ever claim or play a victim card!

I Shocked with the first half sentence of WDMSO's post...
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You shouldn’t have ben shocked.

Liberals behave this way, then act stunned when they get called out for it.

This is exactly what led to Trump. They haven’t figured that out. because they aren’t capable
of self criticism.
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I have to say I am pretty shocked at the direction this went... Shocked with the first half sentence of WDMSO's post...
These are representative of my views and reactions to being libeled. labeled, and called names to fit in a group. I object to being put in one silo, or another. These values are what I was brought up to believe were shared American values shared across the board by the America I knew. Raised by the Greatest Generation. NOT the Woodstock generation, you know, the one that sold our industry to China and created the one percenters grouping for themselves.... This is not me being a victim, so get off that horse. This is me saying, stop, no, you are wrong, or not listening. I will stand up for those values. I am not going to sit idle, quiet, accepting of someone putting an incorrect label on me. It was my generation that saw the greatest influence of change and grew up with more acceptance of civil rights as a given than any generation before us. We saw the change and therefore revolt at being libeled. And no where did I ever claim or play a victim card!

See what I mean ??
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you’re saying the idea behind the post is made up...ok...

did obama say conservatives are bitter clingers and racist?

Did Hilary say we are deplorable
and irredeemable?

Did Biden say republicans want to put blacks in chains?

Did i make any of those up?

If republicans don’t have good ideas, can you explain why people are fleeing democrat states for republican states?

vague, stupid, brain damaged, hollow insults. The ideas of individual liberty, fiscal sanity, the preciousness of life, the value of the traditional family, strong national
defense, helping those in need, these are kooky ideas to you?

Let’s boil it down to this...no one in
the gop has any use at all for all sharpton. People on the left, cannot run for president without bowing before him and kissing his ring. Why is that?


Good luck with all that nonsensical gibberish.
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Like I said your all about outrage politics

Not Ideas
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I have to say I am pretty shocked at the direction this went... Shocked with the first half sentence of WDMSO's post...
These are representative of my views and reactions to being libeled. labeled, and called names to fit in a group. I object to being put in one silo, or another. These values are what I was brought up to believe were shared American values shared across the board by the America I knew. Raised by the Greatest Generation. NOT the Woodstock generation, you know, the one that sold our industry to China and created the one percenters grouping for themselves.... This is not me being a victim, so get off that horse. This is me saying, stop, no, you are wrong, or not listening. I will stand up for those values. I am not going to sit idle, quiet, accepting of someone putting an incorrect label on me. It was my generation that saw the greatest influence of change and grew up with more acceptance of civil rights as a given than any generation before us. We saw the change and therefore revolt at being libeled. And no where did I ever claim or play a victim card!

Seeing you re posted it I assume you didn’t write it that why I stated the writer.. who knows his background


you can be upset that you think people put you in a box or are stereotyping you . but have no issues stereotyping the Woodstock generation ?

This is what I mean when I say these perceptions are imaginary in the minds of the sender and receiver. And people need to stop being influenced by all the noise and take a moment
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My second favorite part is the weird over 40 line, mixed in with the whining about liberals, who voted in a 78 year white guy with a 79 year old white guy their second choice. The militia part is my third favorite. Who ever labeled you as part of a militia? My best favorite is the "liberals make me feel bad." Really? Why would you care?
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stupid question. the answer is, when liberals say that everyone else is a psychotic bigot, you get antics and blm riots. you get cops being ambushed. that’s really going too fast for you?

liberals peddle hate precisely because it works. and also because it’s all they have.
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Like I said your all about outrage politics

Not Ideas
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i mentioned the ideas which you dodged, because even you know they’re sound ideas.

why are so many liberals fleeing liberal states for conservative states? how many times do i have to ask that, before you answer?

i’m not about ideas. let’s talk fiscal responsibility, who has better ideas in crime, family structure, national
security, immigration, abortion...liberals are clobbering republicans on healthcare, for good reason , that’s about it.
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i mentioned the ideas which you dodged, because even you know they’re sound ideas.

why are so many liberals fleeing liberal states for conservative states? how many times do i have to ask that, before you answer?

i’m not about ideas. let’s talk fiscal responsibility, who has better ideas in crime, family structure, national
security, immigration, abortion...liberals are clobbering republicans on healthcare, for good reason , that’s about it.
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Jim your views of what republicans are and are not is not on par with Ross's views

Ross's Views are those of a traditional republican he is a round peg (rino) trying to fit into the current Republican party of Trumps Square holes . You are proud square with grease:kewl::kewl:

not sure why you think conservatives have ideas on fiscal responsibility, who has better ideas in crime, family structure, national
security, immigration, abortion

Jim these topic are not ideas they are just rinse dry and repeat every election cycle . there is nothing new and the same apply with healthcare .. the only reason you think they are better on those topics is because you don't want new ideas like most republicans you fear change because it suggests a liberal win.

lets take just 1 National security Trump claims he has re built the American militaryPresident Donald Trump has falsely claimed his administration invested “$2.5 trillion in all of the greatest equipment in the world” for the military. That’s approximately the total for defense budgets from 2017 to 2020, but the cost of purchasing new military equipment was 20% of that. or President Trump’s claim that ‘when I came in, we had no ammunition’ yet the budgets in Obama’s first four years were nearly $3.3 trillion.

Trump bragged to West Point cadets that his administration wholly destroyed the Islamic State group. He also asserted in a televised interview that he completely rebuilt a depleted U.S. military. even you have parroted the ISIS claim

Neither claim is true. The militant IS group in fact is still a threat, launching attacks in Iraq and Syria in recent weeks as it seeks to take advantage of governments absorbed in tackling the coronavirus pandemic. And a number of new Pentagon weapons programs began years before Trump became president.

but the faithful dont take the time for the details all they hear is what Trumps says and anything to the contrary to Trump version is Fake news.. So no. your Party have no Ideas No Ideals No integrity no creditability they choose to do what was easy When it came to Trump and they are still.

WDMSO- “ not sure why you think conservatives have better ideas on fiscal responsibility.”

For the 20th time, why are so many people fleeing liberal states for conservative states?

Cost.

When one place tries to keep taxes reasonable and live within their means (conservative) and another place has astronomical taxes but still spends more then they have (liberal), you have “no idea” which one s based on a better idea?

Well you’re the one my one with no idea. A lot of others have figured it out, and are so convinced that the conservative approach is superior, that they’re moving far away to take advantage of it.

TN has no state income tax, yet they have massive surpluses so huge that they decided to make community college free for all state residents.

CT had astronomical taxes but is so crushed by debt that tuition increases in cost at 4x the rate of inflation.

Again, you are oblivious to anything which doesn’t serve your agenda. Look at the most radically liberal states (CT, IL, CA, NY) and look at their finances. Obviously you don’t know how to do that. If you had a child’s ability to do so honestly, you’d get it.
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and i don’t think trump rebuilt the
military. but he crushed ISIS and didn’t get us involved in any stupid questionable conflicts,, and did some things to boost the military ( raises, benefits, etc). He didn’t reinvent it, but he improved it. Not that you’d ever say so. But facts are facts, even the many facts which you deny.
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I have to say I am pretty shocked at the direction this went... Shocked with the first half sentence of WDMSO's post...



I'm not...:laugha:

Jim your views of what republicans are and are not is not on par with Ross's views



Jim, which of what Ross wrote do you disagree with?...asking for WDMSO

WDMSO- “ not sure why you think conservatives have better ideas on fiscal responsibility.”

For the 20th time, why are so many people fleeing liberal states for conservative states?

Cost.

When one place tries to keep taxes reasonable and live within their means (conservative) and another place has astronomical taxes but still spends more then they have (liberal), you have “no idea” which one s based on a better idea?

Well you’re the one my one with no idea. A lot of others have figured it out, and are so convinced that the conservative approach is superior, that they’re moving far away to take advantage of it.

TN has no state income tax, yet they have massive surpluses so huge that they decided to make community college free for all state residents.

CT had astronomical taxes but is so crushed by debt that tuition increases in cost at 4x the rate of inflation.

Again, you are oblivious to anything which doesn’t serve your agenda. Look at the most radically liberal states (CT, IL, CA, NY) and look at their finances. Obviously you don’t know how to do that. If you had a child’s ability to do so honestly, you’d get it.
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Jim just like Ross re post your buying into a story on why people are. Moving , because you think that’s the only reason because your sources told you to think that you also must think that they stop voting Democratic when they get there ,

Just read this Here’s the irony. Hundreds of thousands of blue state voters have been fleeing their former states in part due to Democratic-majority policies that result in high taxes, over-regulation, powerful unions, failing schools, increasing crime and anti-religious intolerance, only to support the very same “blue” ideologies and political candidates in their adopted “red” states.

Because they didn’t leave for the reason the writer claimed.. those reasons are what the writer imagined is the reason they left...

But like most of your claims you leave out 90% of the story
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Jim, which of what Ross wrote do you disagree with?...asking for WDMSO

If you think Jim and Ross are the same type of Republicans you really don’t pay attention. Ps there is much in that post I agree with

I am proud of our flag, what it stands for and the many who died to let it fly, so I stand and salute during our National Anthem
That’s it no caveats no drama no additional grievances like the rest of sentence

so I must be a racist. I kneel only for The Cross, which makes me racist.


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Jim, which of what Ross wrote do you disagree with?...asking for WDMSO

Zip.

Conservatives are tired of liberals saying that our skin pigmentation, genitalia, and sexual orientation are what define us. that’s precisely what led to trump. because liberals are literally incapable of self criticism, they haven’t learned that, nor will they.
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Jim just like Ross re post your buying into a story on why people are. Moving , because you think that’s the only reason because your sources told you to think that you also must think that they stop voting Democratic when they get there ,

Just read this Here’s the irony. Hundreds of thousands of blue state voters have been fleeing their former states in part due to Democratic-majority policies that result in high taxes, over-regulation, powerful unions, failing schools, increasing crime and anti-religious intolerance, only to support the very same “blue” ideologies and political candidates in their adopted “red” states.

Because they didn’t leave for the reason the writer claimed.. those reasons are what the writer imagined is the reason they left...

But like most of your claims you leave out 90% of the story
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so what’s the other 90% of why they are fleeing blue states for red states?

funny how you say there’s so
much more to it, but don’t offer a syllable as to what that is!!!

why aren’t they moving to
other liberal states?

Have fun answering that. go hide under your bed now.

like talking to a wall. you’re literally impervious to facts, data, results. all that you have is The Narrative.
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Zip.

Conservatives are tired of liberals saying that our skin pigmentation, genitalia, and sexual orientation are what define us. that’s precisely what led to trump. because liberals are literally incapable of self criticism, they haven’t learned that, nor will they.
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Jim it’s not by chance you would attach yourself to that piece .

Trump was the cure for your victim complex he tapped in to Republicans grievances and played you , and you still think trump wanted to right the ship , LOL he told you what you wanted to hear just like the post ..

and where is Trump now? burning down the house on his way out red or blue he doesn’t care

Let me guess you think he’s looking out for Americans
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I have to say I am pretty shocked at the direction this went... Shocked with the first half sentence of WDMSO's post...
These are representative of my views and reactions to being libeled. labeled, and called names to fit in a group. I object to being put in one silo, or another. These values are what I was brought up to believe were shared American values shared across the board by the America I knew. Raised by the Greatest Generation. NOT the Woodstock generation, you know, the one that sold our industry to China and created the one percenters grouping for themselves.... This is not me being a victim, so get off that horse. This is me saying, stop, no, you are wrong, or not listening. I will stand up for those values. I am not going to sit idle, quiet, accepting of someone putting an incorrect label on me. It was my generation that saw the greatest influence of change and grew up with more acceptance of civil rights as a given than any generation before us. We saw the change and therefore revolt at being libeled. And no where did I ever claim or play a victim card!
Get on board with the new America.
Or become the enemy of the sheeple
Loot in the name of justice to become an ally.

Jim it’s not by chance you would attach yourself to that piece .

Conservatives are tried of the Truth and honesty yet they don’t get tired of call Americans enemy’s communists or socialist the list is ends less or seeing themself as victims
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i it’s not by chance, it’s because it’s the truth. which of these am i making up?

Obama called conservatives bitter clingers and racists.

Hilary called them deplorable
and irredeemable.

Biden said they want to put blacks in chains.

If i called you the n word again and again and again, would you eventually have a negative opinion of me? wouldn’t you be justified in having a negative opinion of me?

now, since you know that crime and cost of living and economic opportunity are why people are fleeing blue states for red states, please tell me what the reason is?

second time i asked.

for the 100th time, i have. i trouble criticizing trump when he demonizes his opponents. you are the one who never criticized his side for insults and hate, you refuse to even admit they do it, even when presented with irrefutable
evidence.

you are the. kind lemming who never thinks his side goes too far.

you’re really, really bad at these discussions.

prove me wrong. admit that obama, hilary, and biden have said unfair and disgusting things about their political opponents. it’s obviously true, they’re all on video for gods sake. but you won’t admit it. you can’t.

i have criticized tump 1,000 times here, but all you do is lie and accuse me of being a trump zealot who never criticized him.

you’re talking about yourself. it’s called projection. look it up, or have a 5 year old explain it to you.
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Get on board with the new America.
Or become the enemy of the sheeple
Loot in the name of justice to become an ally.

loot for black lives!!!
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i it’s not by chance, it’s because it’s the truth. which of these am i making up?

Obama called conservatives bitter clingers and racists.

Hilary called them deplorable
and irredeemable.

Biden said they want to put blacks in chains.

If i called you the n word again and again and again, would you eventually have a negative opinion of me? wouldn’t you be justified in having a negative opinion of me?

now, since you know that crime and cost of living and economic opportunity are why people are fleeing blue states for red states, please tell me what the reason is?

second time i asked.
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See how it works Jim those claims none you posted are based in facts they were exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

But clearly you and others need to take those statements literally because if you don’t then the Republicans narrative falls apart outrage is its oxygen with out it Republicans have no platform.
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yes Jim and all liberals are communist and socialist and stole the election

See how it works Jim those claims none you posted are based in facts they were exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

But clearly you and others need to take those statements literally because if you don’t then the Republicans narrative falls apart outrage is its oxygen with out it Republicans have no platform.
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“they’re exaggerated statements? i exaggerated them? that’s what you’re saying?

it’s exaggeration to say obama called conservatives bitter clingers and racists?

it’s exaggeration to say hilary called them deplorable and irredeemable?

it’s exaggeration to say that biden said they want to put blacks in chains?

i don’t think you know what exaggeration means.

outrage isn’t my oxygen. results are.

for the third time now, why are people fleeing blue states for conservative places?

you can’t answer. just dodge and insult me for pointing it out. that doesn’t tell you anything? it doesn’t suggest that your positions are thoughtless, baseless, and stupid?
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wayne, are you desperately searching online for a pro-liberal reason why people are fleeing blue states?
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yes Jim and all liberals are communist and socialist and stole the election

See how it works Jim those claims none you posted are based in facts they were exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

But clearly you and others need to take those statements literally because if you don’t then the Republicans narrative falls apart outrage is its oxygen with out it Republicans have no platform.
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I only see what Jim posts when he is quoted, but since I saw his nonsense:
8 out of top 10 states for crime are red states; 9 out of 10 poorest states are red. In the top 10 safest states are ME, VT, NH, MA, RI, CT, NJ, MN, with some yearly variation. People making money in blue states and retiring to red states may not fully reflect life in blue states vs red states.
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I only see what Jim posts when he is quoted, but since I saw his nonsense:
8 out of top 10 states for crime are red states; 9 out of 10 poorest states are red. In the top 10 safest states are ME, VT, NH, MA, RI, CT, NJ, MN, with some yearly variation. People making money in blue states and retiring to red states may not fully reflect life in blue states vs red states.
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and if i had posted that red states have no crime, you’d have made me look foolish.

what i said, is that conservatives and liberals have different views on crime. conservatives tend to be a lot more strict.

again, people are fleeing liberal states for conservative states. why is that?
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OK, Jeff. Come back here. Please explain which definition of hyperbole you are choosing, and please point to the statement which you are referring to.... You don't get to take that pot shot here today... I will be bacl later.
The statements are extreme and absurd. Pretty much all of it.
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it’s exaggeration to say obama called conservatives bitter clingers and racists?

it’s exaggeration to say hilary called them deplorable and irredeemable
Neither is true.
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Neither is true.
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obama...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

hilary...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/%3famp=true

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obama...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

hilary...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/%3famp=true

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Nope
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I’m not a racist.” So what if you are? What if most of us are racist? What if you’re more like people you judge than you realize? What if facing that helped us actually become more like the people we wish to be? I’m racist ffs. I have judgements about people of every background -- including literally the exact same mix that I am AND about my own self -- based on race. There are myriad semi-conscious and subconscious ways I feed systems and institutions that are infused with racism either because I don’t yet realize it, don’t know what to do about it, or am too tired or overwhelmed at any given moment to think of another option. I have to address and dismantle these things on a day to day, moment to moment basis, at the same frequency they are fed to me by what I watch, who I interact with, what and who I know is considered valuable by a society that is crumbling even as we are blindly scrambling to build on top of the rubble. Racism is in the air we breathe, it is locked into our DNA, it is recycled via memory and habit at every moment. Are you trying to cut down on frizz? Have you thought about why there are entire lines of hair products just for this dreaded ‘problem’? Do you call White people who aren’t as refined or “classy” as you White trash? Have you thought about why it was important to add White to the term? What is the normal kind of trash that the word White has to be added to so you can mark the distinction? Who that is not White do you call “pretty”? Why? What are their features? How often have you marveled at how well-spoken a White person was? Do you love Black people but not actually have any as friends? Do you have Black friends? How close are those relationships? Can you talk about race with them? Can they talk to you about it? Do you listen? Would they confirm that you listen? I’m not asking these things to shame anyone. Shame is only good as a touchstone: Does x feel icky? Yes? Ok that goes on the list of things I need to work on. Work on it. Do better next time -- because there will be a next time. Keep working. I don’t want you to wallow in shame. Chronic shame is addictive and just breeds more to be ashamed of. I think that may be where we’re at now. Hundreds of years of chronic shame. How many of our White ancestors heard rapes and beatings of enslaved Africans and could not or would not act to stop them? How many prayed in church the next day beside or in front of the perpetrators? How many were married to the perpetrators? How many were the perpetrators themselves? How many were told that the enslaved were a different kind of human, barely human, not human? How many were told Black people couldn’t feel pain? How many were told Black people didn’t have souls? How many of our White ancestors watched as kidnapped humans were placed naked on auction blocks in the center of their towns at a time when it was considered scandalous to glimpse someone’s leg or back unclothed? How many watched those same humans toil in fields -- knowing it was forced labor? How many couldn’t afford that kind of ‘help’ but wished they could? How many deplored the entire business but still wore cotton clothing, smoked tobacco, ate the food that others suffered and died for to get to them because they didn’t know what else to do or had no other tolerable, or survivable, choice? How many practiced generation after generation not seeing these things because to see meant to take responsibility and the responsibility was too daunting, too inconvenient, too terrifying, too unnecessary, or too deadly to take on? When slavery was abolished the system was renamed, rearranged, and still maintained lower-class citizenship and danger for Black people. It didn’t disappear. Do you think it did for Whites? Do you think the scars of slavery were limited to the backs of the enslaved and not their hearts and souls -- or yours? Do you think witnessing horrific abuses (let alone those who directly perpetrated) for generations had no lasting effects on your people? Our people? Do you think we don’t all have PTSD? Do you think that passing down from parent to child the tradition of feeling like a pristinely *good person* while immersed in tyranny ended when the laws changed? Do you think White folks who immigrated (or emigrated) after slavery or lived in parts of the country where it ended earlier didn’t benefit from a playing field left profoundly uneven after hundreds of years of trade in humans and the deceptively underpriced goods they produced? You know the denial you see that leaves you frustrated after Thanksgiving with your family? You know how baffling it is to see a parent eating something that just hurts them later? Or drinking too much? Or ignoring all the work you’ve done in your field of endeavor because it doesn’t measure up to an ideal they imagined for you when you were in diapers? You know how folks pick fights that only get themselves more angry, more hurt, that make them look terrible in front of everyone when they take things too far, when they hang onto an incorrect point rather than concede defeat because then they’d have to feel the embarrassment everyone else feels for them? You know the whispers (or desperate pleas) about abuse in so many of our families that are ignored, hidden, ‘forgotten’ about? You know that person who just can not bring themself to say the words “I’m sorry,” and mean them? You know how folks say they’re fine when they’re not? You know how you say you’re fine when you’re not? This nation was built on denial. We’re in denial about how deep that runs. We’re in denial about how much our relationship to race and our history has driven this. We still act as if we live apart. We still act as if we can somehow be pristine. We can not. No one gets out of this country -- or this life -- unscathed. And that is not necessarily a bad thing. You can look within yourself and see racism there and not necessarily see or be a bad person. In fact, I’d argue that if you’re someone who wants to be good, who then looks within and finds something bad there, that the truthfulness and courage it takes to do that are a foundation for goodness as solid and sturdy as any foundation you could wish to build your character on. To see things that are racist within yourself, or in your actions, means you have a fighting chance of keeping these things from hurting yourself and others. To face something this big and ugly and to overcome aspects of it bit by bit will strengthen every aspect of your being. Who knows what you could accomplish or contribute with this strength. To do this, to practice seeing oneself justly requires a counterbalance of forgiveness. It requires an acceptance of the self as a whole, flawed, but nonetheless valuable, being. It requires kindness, compassion, patience. It requires action in order to correct the flaws, and the resilience to refine the corrections. It requires the ability to tolerate one’s anger and frustration with oneself for not being Good yet. It requires the capacity to receive the anger and frustration others have while having to deal with our shortcomings. It requires building the kind of goodwill in relationships that can sustain those feelings. It requires exactly the things it takes to heal the festering wounds of racism in ourselves and each other. All of it is love. Perhaps earlier in our history we wouldn’t have been as equipped to do this. We have now reached a point collectively where we have access to every resource we could need to support this journey. Through the internet we can ask every question, see nearly every perspective, and access numerous groups and individuals and publications to support the often soul-crushing but ultimately soul-freeing journey. When it gets too hard there are many people like you who can say “I’ve been there. This is what helped.” When we need spiritual support there is no shortage of individuals or entire congregations that will pray for us. There are countless lessons in the holy scriptures of the world that apply. There are answers and peace in meditation. There is solace and illumination in music and other arts. We can completely anonymously engage with any of these resources online. It’s time. Black people are still dying. Even our best institutions need the legacy of slavery to be carefully extricated from their roots. We still wear clothes and eat food brought to us by people who are suffering and even dying to get them to us. When that gets overwhelming remember it’s been that way a very long time and you’re still here. No one got it all the way right before and you will not get it all the way right now. This will not likely be solved in your lifetime and you definitely won’t solve this on your own. The more you work on it the more likely you are to attract others you can lean on or learn from or give support to. You’ll find friends you never knew you’d have. Some of those friends will become the kind of found family that sustains you and that you can sustain and create with. You’ll be surrounded by folks who will face things with you and who will remind you that you’re worthy even when you’re not perfect. You won’t have to rely on those who are hurting to make you feel better. You won’t have to rely on anyone thinking you’re good. You’ll be reminded by your own experience that goodness is not a static state, but that the good things you do will build within you a better and better character. And that character will become a small but sturdy brick in the strong foundation the future of this nation can be built on. Work on it. Do better next time -- because there will be a next time. Keep working.
P.F.H.
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Nope
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yes. literally and exactly. you might be inserting your tampons too far and they’re penetrating your brain.
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I’m not a racist.

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pete, for your new year's resolution can you possibly resolve to limit the size of your posts?

I only see what Jim posts when he is quoted, but since I saw his nonsense:

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if you have people blocked you are really a freaking two year old :D

yes. literally and exactly. you might be inserting your tampons too far and they’re penetrating your brain.
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Neither remark was made about conservatives Jim. You are why this thread exists.
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The statements are extreme and absurd. Pretty much all of it.
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Wow. And I thought they, for the most part, represented a middle of the road, centralist, boring, conservative, don't rock the boat point of view. Never would I have dreamed that they would be labeled either extreme or absurd.

Neither remark was made about conservatives Jim. You are why this thread exists.
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who were those comments aimed at? The Whigs? The Tories?

Please enlighten me.

Hilary specified Trump supporters, Biden was talking about Romney supporters.
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Wow. And I thought they, for the most part, represented a middle of the road, centralist, boring, conservative, don't rock the boat point of view. Never would I have dreamed that they would be labeled either extreme or absurd.
For the most part just twisted generalizations in a “I don’t eat cheese so I must be anti bovine” sort of way.
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so what’s the other 90% of why they are fleeing blue states for red states?


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once again looking for others to do the work for you:sleeps:

For the most part just twisted generalizations in a “I don’t eat cheese so I must be anti bovine” sort of way.
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Oh, I have to save that one, Jeff, before the edit... Might be one of the best you have ever posted :rotf2::smash:

Oh, I have to save that one, Jeff, before the edit... Might be one of the best you have ever posted :rotf2::smash:
Cow hater
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who were those comments aimed at?
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The audiences. Still neither was directed at conservatives.
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Never would I have dreamed that they would be labeled either extreme or absurd.



it's how they roll...which is pretty funny for a bunch of communists...

it's how they roll...which is pretty funny for a bunch of communists...
Cow hater
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once again looking for others to do the work for you:sleeps:

Jim: people are leaving blue states for red states.

wdmso: that’s only 10% of the story.

jim: what’s the other 90% of the story.

wdmso: i’m not telling.

in other words, you made it up, allied you on it, and
you got nothing.

those are some well thought out beliefs you got there.
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Wow. And I thought they, for the most part, represented a middle of the road, centralist, boring, conservative, don't rock the boat point of view. Never would I have dreamed that they would be labeled either extreme or absurd.

You should read them again. Who ever said someone who plans and saves is a fascist? You also don't like the actual borderline fascist. A fascist pardons war criminals and his corrupt cronies, they aren't regular people who save. Pretty sure no one ever said that, unless it was spin by right wing entertainment "news."
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You should read them again. Who ever said someone who plans and saves is a fascist? You also don't like the actual borderline fascist. A fascist pardons war criminals and his corrupt cronies, they aren't regular people who save. Pretty sure no one ever said that, unless it was spin by right wing entertainment "news.

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Is it just me or does this make absolutely no sense?
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Jim: people are leaving blue states for red states.

wdmso: that’s only 10% of the story.

jim: what’s the other 90% of the story.

wdmso: i’m not telling.

in other words, you made it up, allied you on it, and
you got nothing.

those are some well thought out beliefs you got there.
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Know a lot who moved for work and retirement or who stayed after the military. Or better weather hence why the majority remain liberal minded

Not 1 left because of Democratic-majority policies that result in high taxes, over-regulation, powerful unions, failing schools, increasing crime and anti-religious intolerance I am sure in the masses someone may have moved based on the Above ,, however the reality’s is

That’s your fantasy and many other Republicans on why this migration has been going on for decades ,

Top states people moved to: 2019
Vermont (72.1%)
Oregon (63.8%)
Idaho (62.4%)
Nevada (61.8%)
Arizona (60.2%)
South Carolina (59.9%)
Washington (58.8%)
South Dakota (57%)

I see most of the states have low population and a mix or red and blue
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Know a lot who moved for work and retirement or who stayed after the military. Or better weather hence why the majority remain liberal minded

Not 1 left because of Democratic-majority policies that result in high taxes, over-regulation, powerful unions, failing schools, increasing crime and anti-religious intolerance I am sure in the masses someone may have moved based on the Above ,, however the reality’s is

That’s your fantasy and many other Republicans on why this migration has been going on for decades ,

Top states people moved to: 2019
Vermont (72.1%)
Oregon (63.8%)
Idaho (62.4%)
Nevada (61.8%)
Arizona (60.2%)
South Carolina (59.9%)
Washington (58.8%)
South Dakota (57%)

I see most of the states have low population and a mix or red and blue
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your personal observations don’t matter. the totals matter. people are fleeing blue states and moving to NC, SC, TN, GA, FL, TX.
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Not 1 left because of Democratic-majority policies that result in high taxes, over-regulation, powerful unions, failing schools, increasing crime and anti-religious intolerance

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https://www.city-journal.org/blue-state-regulation-driving-out-california-businesses

https://www.city-journal.org/blue-state-regulation-driving-out-california-businesses

Guess you missed my comment was about people I knew , who moved, not a general statement like Jim or your link but I am not surprised seeing you guys love presenting generalized impressions as cause and the sole reason why people move
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your personal observations don’t matter. the totals matter. people are fleeing blue states and moving to NC, SC, TN, GA, FL, TX.
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And Americans are moving to and from every state in the Union ..

again not for the primary reasons you’ve convinced yourself is the reason
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And Americans are moving to and from every state in the Union ..

again not for the primary reasons you’ve convinced yourself is the reason
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had anybody, anywhere, ever, claimed that there are states that no one is moving to?

if people aren’t leaving CT, NY and CA because of crime and cost of living, post some data to show us why they’re leaving? or
admit your making it up
as you go.
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And Americans are moving to and from every state in the Union ..

again not for the primary reasons you’ve convinced yourself is the reason
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Someone tell numblypeg that 6 of the 8 states with the highest population losses by percent in 2019 were red states and 4 of top 8 growth states by percent went for Biden.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38918791
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Someone tell numblypeg that 6 of the 8 states with the highest population losses by percent in 2019 were red states and 4 of top 8 growth states by percent went for Biden.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38918791
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WV and Alaska are pretty inhospitable.

CT should be a state that everyone is dying to get into. it has everything going for it. everything. except liberalism. same with NY and CA.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/us-states-that-lost-population-in-2019
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Someone tell numblypeg that 6 of the 8 states with the highest population losses by percent in 2019 were red states and 4 of top 8 growth states by percent went for Biden.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38918791
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states with largest population growth include ID, AZ, UT, NV, TX, SC, FL

what matters isn’t who run the presidential race, what matters is who runs the states - conservatives or liberals.

The most liberal
states in the country are CA, IL, NY, CT, and MA. how are those states doing? healthy, vibrant economies? attracting a lot of upper
middle
class families?

post covid, many
ore people will work from home. they won’t need to live near work. they’re already fleeing NY in big numbers.

don’t worry, nothing to see.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-are-the-10-fastest-growing-states-in-america?slide=4
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Guess you missed my comment was about people I knew , who moved, not a general statement like Jim or your link but I am not surprised seeing you guys love presenting generalized impressions as cause and the sole reason why people move
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wait...the three people you know who moved is not a "generalized statement or impression"? that's pretty funny

states with largest population growth include ID, AZ, UT, NV, TX, SC, FL

what matters isn’t who run the presidential race, what matters is who runs the states - conservatives or liberals.

The most liberal
states in the country are CA, IL, NY, CT, and MA. how are those states doing? healthy, vibrant economies? attracting a lot of upper
middle
class families?

post covid, many
ore people will work from home. they won’t need to live near work. they’re already fleeing NY in big numbers.

don’t worry, nothing to see.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-are-the-10-fastest-growing-states-in-america?slide=4
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Unless you can add the percentage of those moving to those states are retirement motivated for weather, health and low cost retirement homes in a nice golf community, this thread turn is pointless. If I get to a point I just don’t want to experience winter again, golf and possibly fishing will factor in to a move decision, not tax rates or cost of living and certainly not the color the state votes.

golf and possibly fishing will factor in to a move decision, not tax rates or cost of living.



huh?

wait...the three people you know who moved is not a "generalized statement or impression"? that's pretty funny

those three people are a representative sample.
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Unless you can add the percentage of those moving to those states are retirement motivated for weather, health and low cost retirement homes in a nice golf community, this thread turn is pointless. If I get to a point I just don’t want to experience winter again, golf and possibly fishing will factor in to a move decision, not tax rates or cost of living and certainly not the color the state votes.

obviously some move for weather. but they aren’t all moving to southern california, which also has warm weather. there’s a reason why they move to low-cost ( i.e., conservative) southern states.

just because the point spits in the face of what you cling to, doesn’t make it pointless. the governors of CT, NY, and CA have all said it’s a problem. but you still deny it. you know more than they do. that’s impressive.
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had anybody, anywhere, ever, claimed that there are states that no one is moving to?

if people aren’t leaving CT, NY and CA because of crime and cost of living, post some data to show us why they’re leaving? or
admit your making it up
as you go.
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Ive shown you why its called Jobs.. ever been to upstate NY Elmira the place was a Ghost town My grandparents lived there then the fracking boom and people moved back.. and now they are leaving again

people leaving due to crime is comical cost of living ya ok so Jim I am going to leave my 100k job to go make 50k in a southern state ya ok thats what people do all the time .. its Jobs Jobs Jobs why do people move to the Dakotas also Gas-drilling boom brings more crime, carousing to towns in these small communities

Like most of your argument like voter fraud and global warming others 4 of of five dentist recommend Trident ..

and you hang your hat on the 5th dentist to make your case ...

So why do people move to Calif my son is staying out of the Air force its called a Job and a future wife .. yes housing expensive and Gas is also and yes there is even Crime , using your logic he should be in Texas . but hes not :btu:

those three people are a representative sample.
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:rotf2:

wait...the three people you know who moved is not a "generalized statement or impression"? that's pretty funny

in my world if we have people we personally know whether 10 years ago or today and the primary reason they moved or stayed is a Job thats not a general statement . its reality .. So how many people do you know left mass or RI Claiming Crime religious reasons or just because of cost of living . as their primary reason for leaving :huh:

again I am not suggesting those thing may be a consideration in where to move Just not the primary reasons why people

this is from Allied Movers Top Reasons People Move to New States I would assume they have the data to back it up.


1 New Job: The number one reason people move to new states is for work. Although most people only make an inter-state move when a job is already lined up and secured, this figure also includes people moving in hopes that they’ll find better employment prospects once they arrive. Relocation packages help make this an enticing option, especially when they come with a promotion.

2 School and/or College: Education is another popular reason why people move across state lines. College students moving away for the first time make up the largest demographic in this category, but it also includes students transferring from one university to another as well as families hoping to move their kids to a better school district.

3 Retirement: Not everyone moves to Florida or Arizona for retirement, but a large percentage of the aging population does shift to a new locale to enjoy their golden years. Better climate conditions, lower costs of living, and greater access to healthcare all work together to make some states more ideal for retirement.
Access to
4 Amenities: Every state (and city) has something different to offer. Many families choose to take advantage of these amenities by moving closer. Access to healthcare (especially research hospitals) is one big reason why people move to new states, as are things like good schools, more public parks, and better tax rates.

5 Change of Pace: Of course, not everyone has a solid financial or personal reason for moving to a new state. In many cases, the move has less to do with your needs and more to do with your wants. If you’ve been bitten by the travel bug, moving to a new state provides a great way to experience a new climate and a new culture.

https://www.allied.com/blog/view/all-blogs/2017/01/03/top-reasons-people-move-to-new-states