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Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 08:20 AM
Congress passed a bill which spends a fortune, and gives. small portion of that to needy Americans, $600 each.

Trump is trying to single-handedly improve the bill as he sees it, to eliminate the waste, send less to foreign governments, and give much more to Americans.

WDMSO, Spence. Paul, mind if I ask what outcome you’re rooting for here? if he’s able to single handedly get a better bill than was drafted by 535 members of congress ( both parties obviously), will you be able to muster the honesty to give him credit?

Or do you hope he fails so that you can say all he did was delay the original bill, delay the assistance that was in there originally?

Do you hate him more than you like your neighbors?

Biden is telling Trump
to sign the bill passed by congress. Trump is trying to persuade congress to give much more to
americans. who is looking out more for regular folks? if it’s Biden, how so? Is $1200 for a couple
today, better than $4,000 for a couple, a week later?

Got Stripers
12-28-2020, 08:47 AM
I'm all for more help locally and less help going abroad in times like these, but why has Trump waited until the last minute to sign in on his views, to the point now the GOP leadership has forced him to sign what they had in front of them. Pork in bills has been a major issue forever and until we get term limits and control of lobbyists, it will continue with very little we can do, other than express ourselves at the polls.

PaulS
12-28-2020, 09:14 AM
I could care less if "he" fails or succeeds but his successes should be the countries success. Giving everyone (regardless of income) $ is stupid. The virus hasn't really caused me any hardships or effected me personally (lost an Uncle to the virus and a bunch of others but they were all old and limits my time w/my dad) other than I've increased my donations to food banks. So I wasn't infavor of giving everyone $2K or even $600 (I don't think I'll get any money but not sure). I'm damn lucky.

The reason he wasn't going to sign the bill even though his admin. was negotiating it for months is one of the reasons I dislike him. He could have voice his concerns earlier or told the people on his staff who were neg. to change the bill but he waited until the last min. to display his strength while making the people who are suffering suffer more. He prob. wasn't even aware of the details of the neg. bc he didn't read his briefing papers, listen at briefings and was playing golf all weekend.

He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc).

scottw
12-28-2020, 09:24 AM
such bitterness...

PaulS
12-28-2020, 09:28 AM
such bitterness...

Is your life so lacking that you need to constantly come here and just comment on people's posts?

Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 09:36 AM
I'm all for more help locally and less help going abroad in times like these, but why has Trump waited until the last minute to sign in on his views, to the point now the GOP leadership has forced him to sign what they had in front of them. Pork in bills has been a major issue forever and until we get term limits and control of lobbyists, it will continue with very little we can do, other than express ourselves at the polls.

so rather than faulting congress (both parties) for proposing such pathetic benefits, it’s trumps fault for
not inserting himself sooner?

i guess you have a point, he could have made suggestions sooner ( we can guess what the House would have done with his suggestions), but why do 535 people in congress need trump to turn a stupid bill
i to a better bill?
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Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 09:39 AM
I could care less if "he" fails or succeeds but his successes should be the countries success. Giving everyone (regardless of income) $ is stupid. The virus hasn't really caused me any hardships or effected me personally (lost an Uncle to the virus and a bunch of others but they were all old and limits my time w/my dad) other than I've increased my donations to food banks. So I wasn't infavor of giving everyone $2K or even $600 (I don't think I'll get any money but not sure). I'm damn lucky.

The reason he wasn't going to sign the bill even though his admin. was negotiating it for months is one of the reasons I dislike him. He could have voice his concerns earlier or told the people on his staff who were neg. to change the bill but he waited until the last min. to display his strength while making the people who are suffering suffer more. He prob. wasn't even aware of the details of the neg. bc he didn't read his briefing papers, listen at briefings and was playing golf all weekend.

He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc).

Are they proposing giving everyone ( regardless of income) money? i saw an earlier bill that had income caps of 150k for a couple.

Trump is lazy? i’ve read he’s one of those guys who only needs 4 hours of sleep and regularly put in 15 hour days when he was in the private sector. is he a murderer too?
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Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 09:46 AM
[QUOTE=PaulS;1207173 He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc).[/QUOTE]

so why then, did a record high. umber of people in a Gallup poll, say they were better off today ( during the pandemic) than 4 years ago?

Gallup conducts that poll during every presidential election year. and in 2020, a record number of people said they were better off. Never before have more people
claimed to be better off than 4 years prior.

Low unemployment, stock market records, tax cuts, increased funding for black colleges, criminal
justice reform, not getting us into questionable conflicts, pounding ISIS, progress in the middle east, making america energy independent (literally a net exporter of energy) economic opportunity zones in blighted urban areas. How did all of that happen in 4 years? Did he get unbelievably lucky?

of course there have been meaningful failures ( no wall, no improvements to healthcare, his disgusting personality), but that’s an impressive list of accomplishments in a term. how did he pull
it off?
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RIROCKHOUND
12-28-2020, 09:55 AM
I could care less if "he" fails or succeeds but his successes should be the countries success. Giving everyone (regardless of income) $ is stupid. The virus hasn't really caused me any hardships or effected me personally (lost an Uncle to the virus and a bunch of others but they were all old and limits my time w/my dad) other than I've increased my donations to food banks. So I wasn't infavor of giving everyone $2K or even $600 (I don't think I'll get any money but not sure). I'm damn lucky.

The reason he wasn't going to sign the bill even though his admin. was negotiating it for months is one of the reasons I dislike him. He could have voice his concerns earlier or told the people on his staff who were neg. to change the bill but he waited until the last min. to display his strength while making the people who are suffering suffer more. He prob. wasn't even aware of the details of the neg. bc he didn't read his briefing papers, listen at briefings and was playing golf all weekend.

He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc).

That is pretty much my view. I haven't seen any personal hardships financially from the pandemic, but the family business (which I don't work for any longer) is tourism based and took a huge hit this year. I would rather see the funds go to folks in the harder hit industries, unemployment and small business grants/loans. We will get some pro-rated amount from this as I think we fall between the limits.

Of course he isn't aware. Is he lazy? Not per se, but he is a fat ass who takes carts on to greens golfing, so yes, he is physically lazy.

His his effort since the election is very much misdirected. He might sleep 4 hours but how many of those hours are spent watching OAN and NewsMax, rage tweeting and how many are spent trying to provide leadership on things that would help Americans. My guess is a fraction above 0%.

He has put the GOP is a brutal spot. The Democrats will keep bringing up the $2,000 number and the majority of the GOP in congress will vote against it, which to their credit sticks to their pretend (for the most part) guns on fiscal issues. The optics are terrible for them to many folks on this issue...

Got Stripers
12-28-2020, 10:09 AM
so rather than faulting congress (both parties) for proposing such pathetic benefits, it’s trumps fault for
not inserting himself sooner?

i guess you have a point, he could have made suggestions sooner ( we can guess what the House would have done with his suggestions), but why do 535 people in congress need trump to turn a stupid bill
i to a better bill?
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Hey news flash if he doesn’t sign it or at least veto it dies where all bills go to die at the feet of Moscow Mitch. If this president was a true leader, somehow he would have worked both sides to put something together that he would sign. What has he done since the election to make that happen, absolutely nothing, he has spent it spewing lies, absorbing conspiracy theories and rage tweeting. It’s amazing the lengths you will go to in defense of a man you “claim” to despise.

scottw
12-28-2020, 10:23 AM
Is your life so lacking that you need to constantly come here and just comment on people's posts?

that's how it works....people post and then you comment on their posts...sheesh

scottw
12-28-2020, 10:25 AM
Of course he isn't aware. Is he lazy? Not per se, but he is a fat ass who takes carts on to greens golfing, so yes, he is physically lazy.

.

you must have missed the schedule and pace that he campaigned at as joe napped in the basement...

Pete F.
12-28-2020, 10:25 AM
23 Days
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Pete F.
12-28-2020, 10:33 AM
you must have missed the schedule and pace that he campaigned at as joe napped in the basement...

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte
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Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 11:03 AM
That is pretty much my view. I haven't seen any personal hardships financially from the pandemic, but the family business (which I don't work for any longer) is tourism based and took a huge hit this year. I would rather see the funds go to folks in the harder hit industries, unemployment and small business grants/loans. We will get some pro-rated amount from this as I think we fall between the limits.

Of course he isn't aware. Is he lazy? Not per se, but he is a fat ass who takes carts on to greens golfing, so yes, he is physically lazy.

His his effort since the election is very much misdirected. He might sleep 4 hours but how many of those hours are spent watching OAN and NewsMax, rage tweeting and how many are spent trying to provide leadership on things that would help Americans. My guess is a fraction above 0%.

He has put the GOP is a brutal spot. The Democrats will keep bringing up the $2,000 number and the majority of the GOP in congress will vote against it, which to their credit sticks to their pretend (for the most part) guns on fiscal issues. The optics are terrible for them to many folks on this issue...

if his revisions reduce pork and direct more money to americans, i don’t think most republicans will vote against it. if they do, hey should be held accountable.

if he gets changes to ( or elimination of) section 230 protections for
big tech, i’d be surprised if most republicans voted against.

it was an idiotic bill. 5.500 pages, released a few hours before the vote? a lot of people
on both sides deserve a lot of criticism.
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zimmy
12-28-2020, 11:10 AM
Is your life so lacking that you need to constantly come here and just comment on people's posts?

Use the ignore feature. It is great.
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scottw
12-28-2020, 11:18 AM
Use the ignore feature. It is great.

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this is the sign of someone who always got a trophy for last place :wave:

zimmy
12-28-2020, 11:39 AM
https://www.cdc.gov/parents/essentials/consequences/ignoring.html#:~:text=When%20you%20ignore%20your%2 0child,tantrums%2C%20whining%2C%20and%20interrupti ng.
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PaulS
12-28-2020, 12:06 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/parents/essentials/consequences/ignoring.html#:~:text=When%20you%20ignore%20your%2 0child,tantrums%2C%20whining%2C%20and%20interrupti ng.
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this is the sign of someone who always got a trophy for last place :wave:

He got you on that one.

Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 12:25 PM
That is pretty much my view. I haven't seen any personal hardships financially from the pandemic, but the family business (which I don't work for any longer) is tourism based and took a huge hit this year. I would rather see the funds go to folks in the harder hit industries, unemployment and small business grants/loans. We will get some pro-rated amount from this as I think we fall between the limits.

Of course he isn't aware. Is he lazy? Not per se, but he is a fat ass who takes carts on to greens golfing, so yes, he is physically lazy.

His his effort since the election is very much misdirected. He might sleep 4 hours but how many of those hours are spent watching OAN and NewsMax, rage tweeting and how many are spent trying to provide leadership on things that would help Americans. My guess is a fraction above 0%.

He has put the GOP is a brutal spot. The Democrats will keep bringing up the $2,000 number and the majority of the GOP in congress will vote against it, which to their credit sticks to their pretend (for the most part) guns on fiscal issues. The optics are terrible for them to many folks on this issue...

hope your family’s business gets a huge rebound in 2021 Bryan. happy new year.
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The Dad Fisherman
12-28-2020, 02:03 PM
I could care less if "he" fails or succeeds but his successes should be the countries success. Giving everyone (regardless of income) $ is stupid. The virus hasn't really caused me any hardships or effected me personally (lost an Uncle to the virus and a bunch of others but they were all old and limits my time w/my dad) other than I've increased my donations to food banks. So I wasn't infavor of giving everyone $2K or even $600 (I don't think I'll get any money but not sure). I'm damn lucky.


This^^^^^^

I thought it was asinine giving money to people who didn't have their financial situation change during this.

Just put the Money towards extended unemployment benefits and other financial assistance for those who were affected.
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scottw
12-28-2020, 02:13 PM
He got you on that one.

"He prob. wasn't even aware of the details of the neg. bc he didn't read his briefing papers, listen at briefings and was playing golf all weekend.

He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc)."

^^^this is a childish tantrum...

I think zimmy, and you ...only like to hear affirmations.....

scottw
12-28-2020, 02:16 PM
This^^^^^^

I thought it was asinine giving money to people who didn't have their financial situation change during this.

Just put the Money towards extended unemployment benefits and other financial assistance for those who were affected.
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dude this is socialism..."equity"....everybody gets to partake of the bread and circus....600 bucks is just enough to buy the Apple Air Pods Max plus tax....not a coincidence:D

wdmso
12-28-2020, 02:33 PM
Congress passed a bill which spends a fortune, and gives. small portion of that to needy Americans, $600 each.

Trump is trying to single-handedly improve the bill as he sees it, to eliminate the waste, send less to foreign governments, and give much more to Americans.

WDMSO, Spence. Paul, mind if I ask what outcome you’re rooting for here? if he’s able to single handedly get a better bill than was drafted by 535 members of congress ( both parties obviously), will you be able to muster the honesty to give him credit?

Or do you hope he fails so that you can say all he did was delay the original bill, delay the assistance that was in there originally?

Do you hate him more than you like your neighbors?

Biden is telling Trump
to sign the bill passed by congress. Trump is trying to persuade congress to give much more to
americans. who is looking out more for regular folks? if it’s Biden, how so? Is $1200 for a couple
today, better than $4,000 for a couple, a week later?


what planet do you live on you are the biggest cult member here

trump never pushed anything you suggest . your beyond gullible ..

he single-handedly did nothing his own people conducted the negations no mention of 2k dems wanted it but Mitch was like hell No



Do you even know these were 2 separate bills and who combined these bills Mitch


please go away already!! you misrepresent the truth as bad if not worse than Trump ..:faga:


do you even know foreign aid provided through the U.S. State Department and 1.2% of total spending. and Defense spending accounts for 15 percent of all federal spending and roughly half of discretionary spending


Its funny republicans run against socialism than think Trump (lame duck) a hero for wanting to spend money like a socialist giving money back to the people ?? its crazy

Jim in CT
12-28-2020, 03:39 PM
what planet do you live on you are the biggest cult member here

trump never pushed anything you suggest . your beyond gullible ..

he single-handedly did nothing his own people conducted the negations no mention of 2k dems wanted it but Mitch was like hell No



Do you even know these were 2 separate bills and who combined these bills Mitch


please go away already!! you misrepresent the truth as bad if not worse than Trump ..:faga:


do you even know foreign aid provided through the U.S. State Department and 1.2% of total spending. and Defense spending accounts for 15 percent of all federal spending and roughly half of discretionary spending


Its funny republicans run against socialism than think Trump (lame duck) a hero for wanting to spend money like a socialist giving money back to the people ?? its crazy

congress passed the bill.

trump sent it back with revisions. the revisions are his.

do you think his changes are improvements?

Not sure what you mean if “ i mention if the 2k dems wanted.”. Biden advised trump to sign the bill
with the $600 in there. Trump requested the change to $2k.


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Pete F.
12-28-2020, 04:03 PM
The lame duck signed the Bill.
He has zero power to redline anything.
His administration was involved in drafting the legislation and then after the fact he comes up with a bunch of baloney that will result in Republican Senators voting against the 2K on the record.
Stable Genius screwed everyone who’s unemployment expired yesterday and now has to reapply and go through another waiting period.
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PaulS
12-28-2020, 04:14 PM
"He prob. wasn't even aware of the details of the neg. bc he didn't read his briefing papers, listen at briefings and was playing golf all weekend.

He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc)."

^^^this is a childish tantrum...

I think zimmy, and you ...only like to hear affirmations.....

You can't help yourself.

Sea Dangles
12-28-2020, 05:00 PM
"He prob. wasn't even aware of the details of the neg. bc he didn't read his briefing papers, listen at briefings and was playing golf all weekend.

He is a lazy, unprepared, ignorant person who surrounds himself with vile people (Sydney Powell, Michael Flynn, etc)."

^^^this is a childish tantrum...

I think zimmy, and you ...only like to hear affirmations.....

Wait til you hear the comments on your post👖

zimmy
12-28-2020, 05:15 PM
Paul, stop quoting him dangit. He should know that it isn't about affirmation. He is in very select company in what is going on twenty years on here and sol. A special reward for a special guy.
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scottw
12-28-2020, 08:35 PM
Paul, stop quoting him dangit. He should know that it isn't about affirmation. He is in very select company in what is going on twenty years on here and sol. A special reward for a special guy.
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This is gibberish but I will award you a participation trophy
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scottw
12-28-2020, 08:36 PM
Wait til you hear the comments on your post👖

It only took two words to trigger them 👍😁
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scottw
12-28-2020, 08:38 PM
23 Days
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Must be an eternity for you😆
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Pete F.
12-28-2020, 11:12 PM
Must be an eternity for you😆
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Silly troll, I’m rooting for Tweety to be gone.
He probably won’t go back to work as long as he can make a profit playing golf
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scottw
12-29-2020, 04:41 AM
He probably won’t go back to work as long as he can make a profit playing golf

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who WOULD go to work if they could make a living playing golf?

PaulS
12-29-2020, 08:55 AM
It only took two words to trigger them ����
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You're mistaking an emotional response with someone telling you that you're acting like a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

scottw
12-29-2020, 09:13 AM
You're mistaking an emotional response with someone telling you that you're acting like a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

feel better? :D

Sea Dangles
12-29-2020, 09:54 AM
feel better? :D

He is still just commenting on your post😂
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Pete F.
12-29-2020, 09:56 AM
who WOULD go to work if they could make a living playing golf?

Almost anyone who would wish to be President
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Pete F.
12-29-2020, 10:05 AM
Just 2 Scaramuccis left for Trump
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scottw
12-29-2020, 11:50 AM
Just 2 Scaramuccis left for Trump
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hang in there just a little longer pete...you've been predicting trump's leaving every day for 4 years and now you may finally be right....that would be a "bombshell"

scottw
12-29-2020, 11:51 AM
He is still just commenting on your post😂
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yeah, must have nothing else going on in his life..:rotflmao:

Sea Dangles
12-29-2020, 12:05 PM
yeah, must have nothing else going on in his life..:rotflmao:

Skinny jeans cutting off his circulation is likely. He will criticize yet imitate,very odd behavior.

PaulS
12-29-2020, 12:34 PM
Skinny jeans cutting off his circulation is likely. He will criticize yet imitate,very odd behavior.

Hi Rolly, did you ever get your BMI checked? I'm worried about your health. Fat slobs have a shorter life span.

If you have anything to say, you should say it. This passive aggressiveness is so lady like.

Jim in CT
12-29-2020, 03:22 PM
Hi Rolly, did you ever get your BMI checked? I'm worried about your health. Fat slobs have a shorter life span.

If you have anything to say, you should say it. This passive aggressiveness is so lady like.

paul you want to talk like that, it’s a free country. But stop lecturing anyone else about being angry or using ugly language, maybe?
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Jim in CT
12-29-2020, 03:26 PM
That is pretty much my view. I haven't seen any personal hardships financially from the pandemic, but the family business (which I don't work for any longer) is tourism based and took a huge hit this year. I would rather see the funds go to folks in the harder hit industries, unemployment and small business grants/loans. We will get some pro-rated amount from this as I think we fall between the limits.

Of course he isn't aware. Is he lazy? Not per se, but he is a fat ass who takes carts on to greens golfing, so yes, he is physically lazy.

His his effort since the election is very much misdirected. He might sleep 4 hours but how many of those hours are spent watching OAN and NewsMax, rage tweeting and how many are spent trying to provide leadership on things that would help Americans. My guess is a fraction above 0%.

He has put the GOP is a brutal spot. The Democrats will keep bringing up the $2,000 number and the majority of the GOP in congress will vote against it, which to their credit sticks to their pretend (for the most part) guns on fiscal issues. The optics are terrible for them to many folks on this issue...

you nailed it, he did put senate republicans on the spot. i didn’t think they’d balk, especially not on the eve of the runoff’s in GA.

stupid to give money to people who weren’t impacted in any way. maybe that’s tough to confirm. but a waste.
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Pete F.
12-29-2020, 03:45 PM
hang in there just a little longer pete...you've been predicting trump's leaving every day for 4 years and now you may finally be right....that would be a "bombshell"

Don’t worry, unlike You and Tweety, I realize governing is hard and change involves time and effort.
Not just tweets or snide remarks
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spence
12-29-2020, 04:03 PM
stupid to give money to people who weren’t impacted in any way. maybe that’s tough to confirm. but a waste.
If you’re in a service job under the threshold for a check you still could be filing for unemployment next month.
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scottw
12-29-2020, 04:06 PM
Don’t worry, unlike You and Tweety, I realize governing is hard and change involves time and effort.
Not just tweets or snide remarks
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pete's responses are the best because they usually have absolutely nothing to do with what he is responding to...

scottw
12-29-2020, 04:07 PM
If you’re in a service job under the threshold for a check you still could be filing for unemployment next month.
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january and february are supposed to be the darkest months in the coming dark winter....

PaulS
12-29-2020, 04:09 PM
paul you want to talk like that, it’s a free country. But stop lecturing anyone else about being angry or using ugly language, maybe?
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In what world do you think anyone should take the constant rudness that is displayed here?

You don't think it is angry the way you talk to spence? And yet he ignores you.

Sea Dangles
12-29-2020, 04:16 PM
paul you want to talk like that, it’s a free country. But stop lecturing anyone else about being angry or using ugly language, maybe?
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Wait til you hear his comment on your post😆

That pot never met a kettle he wouldn’t disparage
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scottw
12-29-2020, 05:04 PM
In what world do you think anyone should take the constant rudness that is displayed here?



"lazy, unprepared, ignorant, vile, scummy, #^&#^&#^&#^&, fat slobs"

this is your vocabulary:uhuh: just this thread

Jim in CT
12-29-2020, 05:27 PM
In what world do you think anyone should take the constant rudness that is displayed here?

You don't think it is angry the way you talk to spence? And yet he ignores you.

i don’t think anyone should have to take it. but you don’t seem
to think that everyone has the same
right to respond, that you enjoy for yourself.
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PaulS
12-29-2020, 06:54 PM
i don’t think anyone should have to take it. but you don’t seem
to think that everyone has the same
right to respond, that you enjoy for yourself.
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I've never once said that you or anyone else can't or shouldn't respond when people insult you. But Scott and sea dangles pretty much don't do anything other insult people at this point
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PaulS
12-29-2020, 06:55 PM
Wait til you hear his comment on your post😆

That pot never met a kettle he wouldn’t disparage
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More passive aggressiveness from you. and as I've said before there's no reason for me to take it from you because I don't need your boat.
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PaulS
12-29-2020, 07:09 PM
"lazy, unprepared, ignorant, vile, scummy, #^&#^&#^&#^&, fat slobs"

this is your vocabulary:uhuh: just this thread

Seems you get triggered when someone insults president Trump.
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Got Stripers
12-29-2020, 07:09 PM
The “best president” of our lifetime golfs, while the warp (ludicrous) speed rollout is predicted to take the country ten years to reach herd immunity at the current pace. If you ever thought Trump actually gave a damn about Americans, I’d say his actions since he lost the election have put that debate to rest.

scottw
12-29-2020, 08:24 PM
The “best president” of our lifetime golfs, while the warp (ludicrous) speed rollout is predicted to take the country ten years to reach herd immunity at the current pace. If you ever thought Trump actually gave a damn about Americans, I’d say his actions since he lost the election have put that debate to rest.

probably all trumps fault

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD

Got Stripers
12-29-2020, 08:59 PM
probably all trumps fault

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD

Well good for you governor (said in my best UK accent) to point out what is going wrong elsewhere. You bring clarity as usual.

Sea Dangles
12-29-2020, 11:03 PM
i don’t think anyone should have to take it. but you don’t seem
to think that everyone has the same
right to respond, that you enjoy for yourself.
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There seems to be a lot of hurt inside the little fella.
The quarantine hits all of us hard.

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 07:40 AM
probably all trumps fault

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD

You’d be better off to worry about what’s not happening in this country than elsewhere.

In virtually every campaign rally Trump promised 100 million PEOPLE would be vaccinated by the end of December.
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PaulS
12-30-2020, 08:01 AM
There seems to be a lot of hurt inside the little fella.
The quarantine hits all of us hard.

more passive aggressivenss from you Rolly. Like a 13 year old girl.

scottw
12-30-2020, 08:36 AM
You’d be better off to worry about what’s not happening in this country than elsewhere.

In virtually every campaign rally Trump promised 100 million PEOPLE would be vaccinated by the end of December.
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I pray that you are not as stupid as Newsweek thinks you are....

wdmso
12-30-2020, 08:38 AM
A significant number of Americans believe misinformation about the origins of the coronavirus and the recent presidential election, as well as conspiracy theories like QAnon, according to a new poll k

Forty percent of respondents said they believe the coronavirus was made in a lab in China even though there is no evidence for this. Scientists say the virus was transmitted to humans from another species.

And one-third of Americans believe that voter fraud helped Joe Biden win the 2020 election, despite the fact that courts, election officials and the Department of Justice have found no evidence of widespread fraud that could have changed the outcome.

The poll results add to mounting evidence that misinformation is gaining a foothold in American society and that conspiracy theories are going mainstream, especially during the coronavirus pandemic. This has raised concerns about how to get people to believe in a "baseline reality," said Chris Jackson, a pollster with Ipsos.

"Increasingly people are willing to say and believe stuff that fits in with their view of how the world should be, even if it doesn't have any basis in reality or fact," Jackson said.

This poll is reflected here that much is certain
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wdmso
12-30-2020, 08:46 AM
Rasmussen: 72% of Republicans See Trump as Model for Party’s Future
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wdmso
12-30-2020, 08:54 AM
Mitch McConnell has announced that he is introducing a new $2000 stimulus check bill tomorrow where he is introducing a provision to get rid of the immunity from prosecution that big media companies such as Google, Twitter, Face Book, and Instagram now currently enjoy and where he also proposes a bi-partisan advisory panel of 9 Republicans and 9 Democrats be established to investigate the 2020 elections.

Ya it’s the dems fault if they don’t for vote for another one of Mitch’s combo meals he loves assembling... and when it’s voted down the reason by Republicans will be if they didn’t cheat why not all the commission to investigate the elections ...
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Sea Dangles
12-30-2020, 09:36 AM
A significant number of Americans believe misinformation about the origins of the coronavirus and the recent presidential election, as well as conspiracy theories like QAnon, according to a new poll k

Forty percent of respondents said they believe the coronavirus was made in a lab in China even though there is no evidence for this. Scientists say the virus was transmitted to humans from another species.

And one-third of Americans believe that voter fraud helped Joe Biden win the 2020 election, despite the fact that courts, election officials and the Department of Justice have found no evidence of widespread fraud that could have changed the outcome.

The poll results add to mounting evidence that misinformation is gaining a foothold in American society and that conspiracy theories are going mainstream, especially during the coronavirus pandemic. This has raised concerns about how to get people to believe in a "baseline reality," said Chris Jackson, a pollster with Ipsos.

"Increasingly people are willing to say and believe stuff that fits in with their view of how the world should be, even if it doesn't have any basis in reality or fact," Jackson said.

This poll is reflected here that much is certain
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Yet you shrug off political power games. Did you know every Dem believed the accusation against judge Kavanaugh without ANY credible evidence?
Or does that not fit your narrative?
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scottw
12-30-2020, 10:07 AM
The poll results add to mounting evidence that misinformation is gaining a foothold in American society and that conspiracy theories are going mainstream, especially during the coronavirus pandemic.

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hopefully the democrats will get control of the senate and then with the help of the house that they control and the presidency and with help of their accomplices in the mainstream media and big tech they will ensure that americans are only fed a steady stream of the truth :rotflmao:

spence
12-30-2020, 10:16 AM
Did you know every Dem believed the accusation against judge Kavanaugh without ANY credible evidence?
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Make #^&#^&#^&#^& up recently? :doh:
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Pete F.
12-30-2020, 10:19 AM
I pray that you are not as stupid as Newsweek thinks you are....

Silly Troll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyZpJX7Ww0M

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 10:33 AM
Yet you shrug off political power games. Did you know every Dem believed the accusation against judge Kavanaugh without ANY credible evidence?
Or does that not fit your narrative?
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Who paid off Brett Kavanaugh’s $92,000 country club fees, His $200,000 credit card debt, his $1.2 million mortgage and purchased themselves a SCOTUS seat? Some Dark Money, never disclosed, bailed him out.
He showed us all his poor judgement as he turned into an attack animal when questioned.
SCOTUS Justice Kennedy retired abruptly to make way for Trump’s Brett Kavanaugh, Kennedy’s son Justin signed off on Trump’s loans at Deutsche Bank, those loans were backed by Russian state-owned VTB Bank, and Justin’s boss Tom Bowers “killed himself”.

Convince me that Kennedy just happened to decide to retire after hiring clerks and that Kavanaugh paid off his credit card, mortgage and club bill on his own.

Sea Dangles
12-30-2020, 11:33 AM
Who paid off Brett Kavanaugh’s $92,000 country club fees, His $200,000 credit card debt, his $1.2 million mortgage and purchased themselves a SCOTUS seat? Some Dark Money, never disclosed, bailed him out.
He showed us all his poor judgement as he turned into an attack animal when questioned.
SCOTUS Justice Kennedy retired abruptly to make way for Trump’s Brett Kavanaugh, Kennedy’s son Justin signed off on Trump’s loans at Deutsche Bank, those loans were backed by Russian state-owned VTB Bank, and Justin’s boss Tom Bowers “killed himself”.

Convince me that Kennedy just happened to decide to retire after hiring clerks and that Kavanaugh paid off his credit card, mortgage and club bill on his own.

Why would I attempt to convince you, Bitchslappedboy?

Sea Dangles
12-30-2020, 11:34 AM
Make #^&#^&#^&#^& up recently? :doh:
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Yourself included
“I believe her”

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 11:55 AM
Why would I attempt to convince you, Bitchslappedboy?

You can’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative, Chubby Gigolo
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PaulS
12-30-2020, 12:19 PM
You can’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative, Chubby Gigolo
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:hihi: You're half right.

detbuch
12-30-2020, 12:31 PM
Who paid off Brett Kavanaugh’s $92,000 country club fees, His $200,000 credit card debt, his $1.2 million mortgage and purchased themselves a SCOTUS seat? Some Dark Money, never disclosed, bailed him out.
He showed us all his poor judgement as he turned into an attack animal when questioned.
SCOTUS Justice Kennedy retired abruptly to make way for Trump’s Brett Kavanaugh, Kennedy’s son Justin signed off on Trump’s loans at Deutsche Bank, those loans were backed by Russian state-owned VTB Bank, and Justin’s boss Tom Bowers “killed himself”.

Convince me that Kennedy just happened to decide to retire after hiring clerks and that Kavanaugh paid off his credit card, mortgage and club bill on his own.

And yet another insinuation. What? You need to be convinced of your own insinuation? If you actually proved it, you could convince yourself. But, then, it wouldn't fit YOUR narrative.

But what was so special about Kavanaugh that all that money should have been spent on him when there were several other judges on Trump's list?

scottw
12-30-2020, 01:56 PM
keep trolling those conspiracy theories pete :claps:

wdmso
12-30-2020, 03:02 PM
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said Wednesday he plans to object during the Electoral College certification process

"I cannot vote to certify the electoral college results on January 6 without raising the fact that some states, particularly Pennsylvania, failed to follow their own state election laws," Hawley said in a statement Wednesday morning.

Hawley called on Congress to investigate allegations of voter fraud and election irregularities. No credible evidence of such fraud has been provided by President Trump or his legal team.

Guess he forgot he's from the Show Me State

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 03:07 PM
But what was so special about Kavanaugh that all that money should have been spent on him when there were several other judges on Trump's list?

Why he was chosen is the question, isn’t it?
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wdmso
12-30-2020, 03:08 PM
Yet you shrug off political power games. Did you know every Dem believed the accusation against judge Kavanaugh without ANY credible evidence?
Or does that not fit your narrative?
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who's a supreme Court Justice

Dirty politics and conspiracies theories are not the same ... but you all ready kew that ... :huh:

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 03:19 PM
keep trolling those conspiracy theories pete :claps:

Did you say conspiracy theory?????

Tweety working hard at midnight, after watching Newsmaxx

I love the Great State of Georgia, but the people who run it, from the Governor, @BrianKempGA, to the Secretary of State, are a complete disaster and don’t have a clue, or worse. Nobody can be this stupid. Just allow us to find the crime, and turn the state Republican....
...The consent decree signed by the “Secretary”, with the consent of Kemp, is perhaps even more poorly negotiated than the deal that John Kerry made with Iran. Now it turns out that Brad R’s brother works for China, and they definitely don’t want “Trump”. So disgusting! #MAGA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc2wh_Zyv7Y

detbuch
12-30-2020, 03:27 PM
Why he was chosen is the question, isn’t it?


Out of all the countless reasons why Kavanaugh could have been chosen, guess which one Pete chose . . .his usual narrative fitting innuendo/insinuation/conjecture? Nah . . . can't be that . . .

scottw
12-30-2020, 03:28 PM
Did you say conspiracy theory?????

Tweety working hard at midnight, after watching Newsmaxx

I love the Great State of Georgia, but the people who run it, from the Governor, @BrianKempGA, to the Secretary of State, are a complete disaster and don’t have a clue, or worse. Nobody can be this stupid. Just allow us to find the crime, and turn the state Republican....
...The consent decree signed by the “Secretary”, with the consent of Kemp, is perhaps even more poorly negotiated than the deal that John Kerry made with Iran. Now it turns out that Brad R’s brother works for China, and they definitely don’t want “Trump”. So disgusting! #MAGA




keep a close eye on his every move and fill us in pete...you only have a couple weeks of surveillance left

scottw
12-30-2020, 03:28 PM
Out of all the countless reasons why Kavanaugh could have been chosen, guess which one Pete chose . . .

His usual narrative fitting innuendo/insinuation/conjecture? Nah . . . can't be that . . .

it was the russians...

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 03:51 PM
it was the russians...

You are correct

The major beneficiary of Manafort’s actions is Vladimir Putin himself, who the IC concludes directed the 2016 attack..& who can maintain plausible deniability as long as Manafort doesn’t spill the beans

Remember that Manafort was the linchpin of Russia’s efforts with the Trump campaign. He was the one with direct contacts with Russian intel. He was the one sharing info with them. He was the one who owed a Russian oligarch $10M...but worked for the campaign for free.
Manafort initially claimed to be cooperating with Mueller. But he wasn’t: In fact he was secretly continuing to do work for Ukraine, tampering with witnesses, and lying to Mueller’s team. Mueller discovered that Trump had been dangling a pardon behind the scenes.
Manafort was in a position to spill ALL THE BEANS. He was pushing Russian disinfo (that Ukraine interfered in the election) as far back as 2016. He was sharing campaign polling data with Russian intel. Writing in “code” to his Russian oligarch debtor.
Soooo...it was (and is) really important to both Trump AND Putin to keep his mouth shut. That is what that pardon was about. HOWEVER, remember that the NY AG has an indictment lined up on Manafort on other state charges. Trump’s pardon won’t reach those.

He also continues to be a fair interview subject for FBI counterintelligence; and if he lies to them in such an interview, that’s a new crime and one that, after Jan. 20, his pal Trump won’t be around to help him with.
So, the story is not over for Manafort or Tweety because as McConnell said "While the president alone possesses the power to pardon, it's important to remember that he is not personally exempt from federal laws that prohibit the corrupt actions of all government officials."

So on January 6th, Trump will lose again -- just as he lost on November 3rd, just as he lost during every successive stage of the electoral college vote process, and just as he lost in every court challenge re the election.

Pete F.
12-30-2020, 03:55 PM
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said Wednesday he plans to object during the Electoral College certification process

"I cannot vote to certify the electoral college results on January 6 without raising the fact that some states, particularly Pennsylvania, failed to follow their own state election laws," Hawley said in a statement Wednesday morning.

Hawley called on Congress to investigate allegations of voter fraud and election irregularities. No credible evidence of such fraud has been provided by President Trump or his legal team.

Guess he forgot he's from the Show Me State

Hawley might want to ask Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr, Michael Cohen, etc. how defending Tweety will end for him.

Sea Dangles
12-30-2020, 04:47 PM
who's a supreme Court Justice

Dirty politics and conspiracies theories are not the same ... but you all ready kew that ... :huh:

You want to classify and categorize stupid. But you don’t get to do that.

Stupid is still stupid
Get out of your sewer and get some air. Save yourself
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detbuch
12-30-2020, 04:57 PM
You are correct

The major beneficiary of Manafort’s actions is Vladimir Putin himself, who the IC concludes directed the 2016 attack..& who can maintain plausible deniability as long as Manafort doesn’t spill the beans

Remember that Manafort was the linchpin of Russia’s efforts with the Trump campaign. He was the one with direct contacts with Russian intel. He was the one sharing info with them. He was the one who owed a Russian oligarch $10M...but worked for the campaign for free.
Manafort initially claimed to be cooperating with Mueller. But he wasn’t: In fact he was secretly continuing to do work for Ukraine, tampering with witnesses, and lying to Mueller’s team. Mueller discovered that Trump had been dangling a pardon behind the scenes.
Manafort was in a position to spill ALL THE BEANS. He was pushing Russian disinfo (that Ukraine interfered in the election) as far back as 2016. He was sharing campaign polling data with Russian intel. Writing in “code” to his Russian oligarch debtor.
Soooo...it was (and is) really important to both Trump AND Putin to keep his mouth shut. That is what that pardon was about. HOWEVER, remember that the NY AG has an indictment lined up on Manafort on other state charges. Trump’s pardon won’t reach those.

He also continues to be a fair interview subject for FBI counterintelligence; and if he lies to them in such an interview, that’s a new crime and one that, after Jan. 20, his pal Trump won’t be around to help him with.
So, the story is not over for Manafort or Tweety because as McConnell said "While the president alone possesses the power to pardon, it's important to remember that he is not personally exempt from federal laws that prohibit the corrupt actions of all government officials."

So on January 6th, Trump will lose again -- just as he lost on November 3rd, just as he lost during every successive stage of the electoral college vote process, and just as he lost in every court challenge re the election.

These unproven (baseless, as anti-Trump media would put it) narratives are why Kavanaugh was chosen?

scottw
12-30-2020, 05:51 PM
Hawley might want to ask Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr, Michael Cohen, etc. how defending Tweety will end for him.

They are all doing much better than people with dirt on Hillary
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Pete F.
12-31-2020, 07:30 AM
They are all doing much better than people with dirt on Hillary
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2 died of Ebola: They said Obama should resign.

4 died in Benghazi: They had Hillary testify for 11 hours, held 33 hearings, and launched a multiyear probe.

342,577 died thanks to Trump’s malevolence: You cheer him on, deny his election defeat, and try to overturn Biden’s win.
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wdmso
12-31-2020, 08:39 AM
You want to classify and categorize stupid. But you don’t get to do that.

Stupid is still stupid
Get out of your sewer and get some air. Save yourself
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Actual person makes claim in a legal setting under oath..

Claiming they election was rigged and dem eat and drink baby blood or 5g

Like I said if you see both as equal it’s not the sewer gasses
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Sea Dangles
12-31-2020, 08:58 AM
Actual person makes claim in a legal setting under oath..

Claiming they election was rigged and dem eat and drink baby blood or 5g

Like I said if you see both as equal it’s not the sewer gasses
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Wayne,every elected official said they believed her story. Elected officials!!!

We are not trying to compare that bs with political allegiance I hope.
This is not even close to being the same. Your party simply has no conscience and have proven it time and again. Yet you stick by them like they are the second coming while criticizing the base of the right.
Hypocrite much?

wdmso
12-31-2020, 10:39 AM
Wayne,every elected official said they believed her story. Elected officials!!!

We are not trying to compare that bs with political allegiance I hope.
This is not even close to being the same. Your party simply has no conscience and have proven it time and again. Yet you stick by them like they are the second coming while criticizing the base of the right.
Hypocrite much?

My party has no conscience that’s funny and you used hypocrite in the same sentence ...

She was under oath as was he.. so a classic he said she said ... that’s why he is a Justice this was no conspiracy theory 80 percent of Democratic men believe Ford as do 74 percent of Democratic women. Among Republicans, 77 percent of men believe Kavanaugh, as do 73 percent of women. That’s what Partisanship looks like



Be We are talking conspiracy theory’s , not partisanship , and you can’t or won’t admit the 2 topics are not the same

Wisconsin health system said an employee admitted to deliberately spoiling 500 doses of coronavirus vaccine.

Let me guess what party of conscience or website conspiracy this person believed ! to do what they did

The Nashville RV guy what conspiracy moved him 5G lizard people...s

What % of Republicans believe these conspiracy theory’s

Some 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory, is mostly or partly true,

These aren’t made up stats

And Republican elected officials are cashing in parroting these claims for votes .. and please don’t suggest both sides do it , even their own members see the downfall in the path some willing go down





So Ben Sasse is what a Rino or Truth Teller , about trying to flip the election

Let’s be clear what is happening here: We have a bunch of ambitious politicians who think there’s a quick way to tap into the president’s populist base without doing any real, long-term damage. But they’re wrong — and this issue is bigger than anyone’s personal ambitions,
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Sea Dangles
12-31-2020, 02:36 PM
Do you still believe her Wayne?
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wdmso
12-31-2020, 07:23 PM
Do you still believe her Wayne?
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Never doubted either one of them
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Pete F.
12-31-2020, 09:46 PM
The Treason Party has a nice ring to it.
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scottw
01-01-2021, 03:27 AM
My party has no conscience that’s funny and you used hypocrite in the same sentence ...

She was under oath as was he.. so a classic he said she said ... that’s why he is a Justice this was no conspiracy theory 80 percent of Democratic men believe Ford as do 74 percent of Democratic women. Among Republicans, 77 percent of men believe Kavanaugh, as do 73 percent of women. That’s what Partisanship looks like



Be We are talking conspiracy theory’s , not partisanship , and you can’t or won’t admit the 2 topics are not the same

Wisconsin health system said an employee admitted to deliberately spoiling 500 doses of coronavirus vaccine.

Let me guess what party of conscience or website conspiracy this person believed ! to do what they did

The Nashville RV guy what conspiracy moved him 5G lizard people...s

What % of Republicans believe these conspiracy theory’s

Some 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory, is mostly or partly true,

These aren’t made up stats

And Republican elected officials are cashing in parroting these claims for votes .. and please don’t suggest both sides do it , even their own members see the downfall in the path some willing go down





So Ben Sasse is what a Rino or Truth Teller , about trying to flip the election

Let’s be clear what is happening here: We have a bunch of ambitious politicians who think there’s a quick way to tap into the president’s populist base without doing any real, long-term damage. But they’re wrong — and this issue is bigger than anyone’s personal ambitions,
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this sounds like the rant of someone who believes in conspiracy theories:uhuh:

scottw
01-01-2021, 03:28 AM
The Treason Party has a nice ring to it.
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that's what George III said :)

scottw
01-05-2021, 05:21 AM
Forty percent of respondents said they believe the coronavirus was made in a lab in China even though there is no evidence for this. Scientists say the virus was transmitted to humans from another species.


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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html