11 Trumplican Senators and 104 Trumplican members of the House are planning to do what?????? Throw their azzes out I say. One of the most disgusting unAmerican displays of politics I recall. I wish the demise and ruin of all those Republicans involved as much as I would if it were the Democrats pulling this crap!
And given Trump's taped, and now public, illegal attempt to get a State Attorney General to change election results, I have even more fear of what he might stoop to this coming week as the election results are scheduled to be formally adopted.
Despite the wide disagreements over platforms, I would call on all Republicans and right leaning Independents, such as myself, to pull your heads out of your azzes and recognize this President is a madman!!!! Do not continue to support his base. Support America.

Even the Republican Senators who I used to regard with some respect are for the most part either hiding or trying so desperately to split hairs...it's really depressing.

I know politics have been ugly at times throughout our history, but this has reached a level of insane, depraved clusterf*ck that everyone should disavow as just being poison for our kids future, not to mention the rest of ours.

11 Trumplican Senators and 104 Trumplican members of the House are planning to do what?????? Throw their azzes out I say. One of the most disgusting unAmerican displays of politics I recall. I wish the demise and ruin of all those Republicans involved as much as I would if it were the Democrats pulling this crap!
And given Trump's taped, and now public, illegal attempt to get a State Attorney General to change election results, I have even more fear of what he might stoop to this coming week as the election results are scheduled to be formally adopted.
Despite the wide disagreements over platforms, I would call on all Republicans and right leaning Independents, such as myself, to pull your heads out of your azzes and recognize this President is a madman!!!! Do not continue to support his base. Support America.

^^^^^^^^^many saw it coming and we are one coup away from kissing this goodbye.

It's not a big step from trying to prevent people from voting and then trying to nullify the votes that were cast to ignoring the results of an election.
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11 Trumplican Senators and 104 Trumplican members of the House are planning to do what?????? Throw their azzes out I say.
And given Trump's taped, and now public, illegal attempt to get a State Attorney General to change election results, .

surely they'll all be arrested :kewl::hihi:

Even the Republican Senators who I used to regard with some respect are for the most part either hiding or trying so desperately to split hairs...it's really depressing.

I know politics have been ugly at times throughout our history, but this has reached a level of insane, depraved clusterf*ck that everyone should disavow as just being poison for our kids future, not to mention the rest of ours.

spoken like a true totalitarian....

It's not a big step from trying to prevent people from voting

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just imagine how many votes biden would have gotten if not for the republicans preventing all of those people from voting and if trump hadn't killed all those people with covid...probably 100 million plus!!

Poor Troll
You can't hide behind attorney client privilege to commit a crime with multiple witnesses on the call. Georgia is a one party consent state. Shaking down election officials like a two bit mob boss was so expected that they recorded him.
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Poor Troll
You can't hide behind attorney client privilege to commit a crime with multiple witnesses on the call. Georgia is a one party consent state. Shaking down election officials like a two bit mob boss was so expected that they recorded him.
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then, as with your countless other predictions of him being put in handcuffs for one thing or another...it's should be any moment now

then, as with your countless other predictions of him being put in handcuffs for one thing or another...it's should be any moment now

Listen to Trump’s whole call for yourself and consider — even if you voted for him — whether you really feel safe with the powers of the presidency, including the nuclear codes, in the hands of someone this desperate, delusional, and frankly demented.
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whether you really feel safe with the powers of the presidency, including the nuclear codes, in the hands of someone this desperate, delusional, and frankly demented.
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you need some new material...they already tried the phone call thing....the "497 former experts of something or other signed a letter" thing has been done a million times....it's like they just recycle the narratives and the sheep gobble it up and regurgitate it..next you'll claim the russians are taking over the country.....lighten up...redecorate the bunker for 2021 pete(or is it 2121?)...have a little fun....if all that you claim is true nothing can or will come of what you currently fret about and they'll drag trump out of the whitehouse one way or another in short order and biden will lead us to victory

just imagine how many votes biden would have gotten if not for the republicans preventing all of those people from voting and if trump hadn't killed all those people with covid...probably 100 million plus!!

sorry, didn't mean to trigger you. Do you want me (and others) to edit our posts?

sorry, didn't mean to trigger you. Do you want me (and others) to edit our posts?

:huh:

you need some new material...they already tried the phone call thing....the "497 former experts of something or other signed a letter" thing has been done a million times....it's like they just recycle the narratives and the sheep gobble it up and regurgitate it..next you'll claim the russians are taking over the country.....lighten up...redecorate the bunker for 2021 pete(or is it 2121?)...have a little fun....if all that you claim is true nothing can or will come of what you currently fret about and they'll drag trump out of the whitehouse one way or another in short order and biden will lead us to victory

Tough times for you, but you soldier on, no real opinion of how wrong that call was, just more of you typical BS. So I suspect that you see no difference in a call to a foreign leader to help dig up political dirt and our president trying to force a state attorney general to find exactly the number of votes he needed to win the state. I guess if you believe that, you believe all the recounts in Georgia were fraudulent as well, must have been crazy liberals in the back of a pizza shop shredding ballets.

Tough times for you,.



why?...this will be a fun week :)

why?...this will be a fun week :)

Your that guy that pulls over to watch children pulled out of a car wreck for fun. If Trump was a smart guy and we all know after four years he isn’t, he would resign today to allow Pence to pardon him. I hope he fights to the end, so George can come after him after NY has their way with him.

If Trump was a smart guy and we all know after four years he isn’t, he would resign today to allow Pence to pardon him. I hope he fights to the end, so George can come after him after NY has their way with him.

:spin: so bitter

You realize we are really having another national conversation about a Trump phone call abusing his office for personal gain?
The next DOJ must investigate or we set a dangerous precedent that a president is above the law.
Because in the current election, the only actual and provable attempt at election fraud was committed by Donald Trump and his administration.
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i don’t like what the gop is doing. but i didn’t see any of the left leaning folks here, express any concern when democrats talked about impeaching trump before his inauguration. that wasn’t any kind of threat to democracy.

your concern about what the gop is doing here, has validity to it. it would come across as a lot more sincere if that concern didn’t disappear when democrats were the ones committed to subverting democracy. it’s only bad when republicans do it.

selective concern is fake concern.
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Mr. Whataboutism has spoken

your concern about what the gop is doing here, has validity to it. it would come across as a lot more sincere if that concern didn’t disappear when democrats were the ones committed to subverting democracy. it’s only bad when republicans do it.

Actually we've never been here before.

Can you imagine how many similar calls on other issues happened over the past four years that weren’t recorded.
It’s amazing how similar this call is to the “beautiful” call that caused his impeachment.
That’s the pattern of corruption that Trumplicans want to either turn a blind eye to or wholeheartedly support.

Because “I know the tape is bad, and vaccination is behind schedule and we’re going to pass 400,000 deaths (!) by Inauguration Day, but just remember how high the corporate tax rate used to be and how much lower it is now. And the judges.....”
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i don’t like what the gop is doing. but i didn’t see any of the left leaning folks here, express any concern when democrats talked about impeaching trump before his inauguration. that wasn’t any kind of threat to democracy.

your concern about what the gop is doing here, has validity to it. it would come across as a lot more sincere if that concern didn’t disappear when democrats were the ones committed to subverting democracy. it’s only bad when republicans do it.

selective concern is fake concern.
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Hypocrite much

By David Hogarty • Published November 6, 2008 • Updated on November 6, 2008 at 2:11 pm

President-elect Barack Obama won't be inaugurated for another ten weeks, but groups are already forming on the Internet to call for his impeachment.

Several groups exist on the social networking site Facebook, calling for the removal of Obama from office for a number of reasons, including planning to not uphold the Constitution of the United States and campaign finance violations.

Impeach Barack Obama was formed under the assumption that the winner of Tuesday's election will waste little time in violating his oath of office and already has more than 2,500 members on Facebook:

"This group has been created under the assumption that it takes approximately 7 seconds for a modern day President to violate this oath. So we should be ready."

Impeach Barack Hussein Obama seems mostly concerned with the Democrat's prior support for an assault weapons ban and accusations that he's a closet Marxist.

"Obama has voiced support for various unconstitutional programs such as the assault weapons ban, universal healthcare, and various schemes for wealth distribution. What are we going to do about it? RESIST SOCIALISM! IMPEACH HIM!

might as well start before he gets in office."

Can you imagine how many similar calls on other issues happened over the past four years that weren’t recorded.

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probably thousands...you should investigate..let us know what you find out...keep it brief

probably thousands...you should investigate..let us know what you find out...keep it brief

Don't need them at this point.

The lowest predicate for opening an FBI investigation is whether there is "information or an allegation" that a person has violated federal law. The higher standard is whether there are "specific articulable facts" that a person has violated federal law. Both have been met with this call.

And it's not just Tweety that's indictable, you think the other people on the call who kept speaking up are willing to go to jail for him?

In the Nixon adminstration there were 69 people indicted and 48 people—many of them top administration officials—were convicted.

Don't need them at this point.

The lowest predicate for opening an FBI investigation is whether there is "information or an allegation" that a person has violated federal law. The higher standard is whether there are "specific articulable facts" that a person has violated federal law. Both have been met with this call.

And it's not just Tweety that's indictable, you think the other people on the call who kept speaking up are willing to go to jail for him?

In the Nixon adminstration there were 69 people indicted and 48 people—many of them top administration officials—were convicted.

keep hope alive pete...

keep hope alive pete...

Silly troll, Tweety lost and he's just trying to avoid the inevitable.

It's important to remember that investigating and prosecuting are two different things. There may be reasons that Biden's AG choose not to prosecute Tweety for crimes he may have committed, taking into account various factors -- that is prosecutorial discretion.
But the FBI is duty-bound to investigate violations of federal law if they have any basis to believe that a crime has occurred. they don't get to pick and choose. This was articulated in the Mueller Report, in explaining why they investigated obstruction even though they knew that DOJ policy would prevent them from bringing charges against a sitting President: They needed to gather evidence while it was available, and memories still fresh. Then it was up to a future AG, or Congress, to decide.
Remember that if the FBI investigates, they will interview everyone. And unlike in Mueller's investigation, Tweety's attorneys and pals won't have a get out of jail free card if they lie to the FBI...because Tweety isn't going to be President after Jan. 20.
Although: One thing to keep an eye out for, in light of the above, is whether Tweety's pardoning spree in the home stretch will include the lawyers and staff who were on this call with him.
P.S. Tweety can't pardon future crimes, so none of these people can be pardoned for lying to the FBI before they do it. But he can pardon them for any (federal) crimes they might be liable for in participating on the call.

Silly troll, Tweety lost and he's just trying to avoid the inevitable.

It's important to remember that investigating and prosecuting are two different things. There may be reasons that Biden's AG choose not to prosecute Tweety for crimes he may have committed, taking into account various factors -- that is prosecutorial discretion.
But the FBI is duty-bound to investigate violations of federal law if they have any basis to believe that a crime has occurred. they don't get to pick and choose. This was articulated in the Mueller Report, in explaining why they investigated obstruction even though they knew that DOJ policy would prevent them from bringing charges against a sitting President: They needed to gather evidence while it was available, and memories still fresh. Then it was up to a future AG, or Congress, to decide.
Remember that if the FBI investigates, they will interview everyone. And unlike in Mueller's investigation, Tweety's attorneys and pals won't have a get out of jail free card if they lie to the FBI...because Tweety isn't going to be President after Jan. 20.
Although: One thing to keep an eye out for, in light of the above, is whether Tweety's pardoning spree in the home stretch will include the lawyers and staff who were on this call with him.
P.S. Tweety can't pardon future crimes, so none of these people can be pardoned for lying to the FBI before they do it. But he can pardon them for any (federal) crimes they might be liable for in participating on the call.

Please keep your lectures brief. Nobody actually cares what you 🤔
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surely they'll all be arrested
spoken like a true totalitarian....
just imagine how many votes biden would have gotten if not for the republicans preventing all of those people from voting and if trump hadn't killed all those people with covid...probably 100 million plus!!
then, as with your countless other predictions of him being put in handcuffs for one thing or another...it's should be any moment now
you need some new material...they already tried the phone call thing....the "497 former experts of something or other signed a letter" thing has been done a million times....it's like they just recycle the narratives and the sheep gobble it up and regurgitate it..next you'll claim the russians are taking over the country.....lighten up...redecorate the bunker for 2021 pete(or is it 2121?)...have a little fun....if all that you claim is true nothing can or will come of what you currently fret about and they'll drag trump out of the whitehouse one way or another in short order and biden will lead us to victory
why?...this will be a fun week
so bitter
probably thousands...you should investigate..let us know what you find out...keep it brief
keep hope alive pete..
Please keep your lectures brief. Nobody actually cares what you 🤔
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Sure Troll

So many parts of the tape evidence Tweety’s criminal intent:
-lies, and no facts, to support demands
-seeking to find the precise number of votes to win (vs impartial scrub of votes)
-reminding Secretary he’s a Republican (how is that relevant?)
-reminding him of criminal consequences

Mr. Whataboutism has spoken

So when you complain about republicans subverting democracy, it's not pertinent for anyone to ask why you don't care when democrats do it?

It's a lot easier for you to call me Mr Whatboutism, than it is for you to admit your glaring hypocrisy, I guess.

How else do you point out naked hypocrisy, than to engage it whatboutism? Are you saying it's not worthwhile to avoid hypocrisy? Seems like that's what you're saying.

And your side no longer likes the word "mister", so you should use a non-binary phrase instead of calling me Mr Whataboutism,. shouldn't you?

Actually we've never been here before.

Exactly here? No we haven't. But your side spent a lot of energy from 2017-2020, trying to find a way to undo the election. Because they hated the results.

I remember back after the 2016 election, many prominent liberals were calling on electors to give their votes to someone other than Trump. There was a LOT of that talk, there were TV commercials airing, it was everywhere in liberal circles, pleas for the electoral college to ignore the will of the people. I'll bet everything I have against the change in your pocket, that you didn't call that out for undermining democracy. Did you?

So while the specifics here are different (no two situations are exactly identical in every detail), both were cases of attempts to undermine a democratic election. One of those attempts was fine with you (there were actually multiple attempts, starting with begging the electoral college to vote for someone else, to calling for impeachment before he was sworn in, etc, but let's put them all in one bucket), the other is horrifying. The only difference, is the partisan aspect, which as we all know, is everything to you.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.

From the last election, I wonder who the Republicans were listening to?
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A historic number of “faithless” electors -- seven in total--each cast their ballots on Monday for a candidate other than the one who won his or her state. What may be more surprising, given the level of protests against Donald Trump and the pressure exerted on Republican electors, is that a greater number were untrue to Hillary Clinton than to Mr. Trump.


Among the 538 electors chosen to represent their states in the Electoral College, five were faithless to the Democratic nominee and two to the Republican. Prior to this year, there hasn’t been more than one faithless elector in any presidential election since 1948.

So when you complain about republicans subverting democracy, it's not pertinent for anyone to ask why you don't care when democrats do it?

It's a lot easier for you to call me Mr Whatboutism, than it is for you to admit your glaring hypocrisy, I guess.

How else do you point out naked hypocrisy, than to engage it whatboutism? Are you saying it's not worthwhile to avoid hypocrisy? Seems like that's what you're saying.

And your side no longer likes the word "mister", so you should use a non-binary phrase instead of calling me Mr Whataboutism,. shouldn't you?

Talking about impeachment is a political gamesmanship thing before a presidential election and Trump is more guilty of that crap than anyone; sh*t who hasn't he threatened with legal action these past four years.

Big difference when the sitting president and his boot licking republicans are attempting to tell citizens of this country, their vote doesn't matter and in the process steel an election that has already been certified.

Nobody is surprised about it sadly, because Trump has been announcing his plans for the past year, probably in an attempt to suppress the vote; ironically he probably is single handedly responsible for the biggest turnout in history.

These republicans are stepping up to fight for leadership roles in the new Trump style republican party, which it now apparently has become.

Talking about impeachment is a political gamesmanship thing before a presidential election and Trump is more guilty of that crap than anyone; sh*t who hasn't he threatened with legal action these past four years.

Big difference when the sitting president and his boot licking republicans are attempting to tell citizens of this country, their vote doesn't matter and in the process steel an election that has already been certified.

Nobody is surprised about it sadly, because Trump has been announcing his plans for the past year, probably in an attempt to suppress the vote; ironically he probably is single handedly responsible for the biggest turnout in history.

These republicans are stepping up to fight for leadership roles in the new Trump style republican party, which it now apparently has become.

"Talking about impeachment is a political gamesmanship thing before a presidential election "

They did it after the election, before the inauguration. It was one of may attempts to undermine the election. But you can dismiss it as gamesmanship.

"Trump is more guilty of that crap than anyone"

NOW WHO IS GUILTY OF WHATABOUTISM? As always, it's OK when you do it, only problematic when I do it?

"Big difference when the sitting president and his boot licking republicans are attempting to tell citizens of this country, their vote doesn't matter "

Again, democrats also tried to tell Americans that their vote doesn't matter, by trying to get electors (after the 2016 election) not to cast their votes for Trump, and by spending the better part of 4 years trying to find a way to remove him from office. When republicans try to say elections don't matter, you say that's bad (and I agree). When democrats do it, you dismiss it.

NO. The Democrats did not decline to accept defeat in 2016. Hillary Clinton conceded, albeit with insinuations that the Russians had helped Trump. But grumbling about your loss is a far cry from contesting it. A few Democrats lodged complaints about the vote in January 2017 when the Electoral College results were read out. Joe Biden, the then-president of the Senate and sitting vice-president handled those matters as he should according to the Constitution.

And playing your silly game about how "there are allegations of" is baloney, it matters now. Never more than now. It isn’t about the precedent that this might set for some imagined Democratic abuse of the future. The abuse is here. The abuse of power is now. This is a constitutional crisis because one party has decided that it cares more for power than for the American system. Giving one iota of support for Trump’s unconstitutional coup attempt is discrediting for every person, politician and commentator who fails to call it out loudly and unequivocally. A decent few, like Senators Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney have done so. Find your voice, or don’t insult the rest of us by calling yourself a patriot.

NO. The Democrats did not decline to accept defeat in 2016. .

Bonkers and dishonest. God forbid you be critical of your side.

The only thing that democrats didn't say about 2016, was that they lost fair and square. They made every other conceivable claim. Including putting pressure on electors to vote for someone other than Trump after the election. Sorry Pete, that happened. Just because you can't being yourself to admit how terrifying that is, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Jim I think same aged cheese would go nicely with your whine.

The only thing that democrats didn't say about 2016, was that they lost fair and square. They made every other conceivable claim. Including putting pressure on electors to vote for someone other than Trump after the election. Sorry Pete, that happened. Just because you can't being yourself to admit how terrifying that is, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I had never even heard of Dems putting pressure on electors until you brought it up. Looks like is was mostly a few disgruntled Sanders supporters.

Jim, there’s no parallel for this. A sitting president just brazenly committed what is most likely election fraud and his base couldn’t care otherwise.
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Hypocrite much

By David Hogarty • Published November 6, 2008 • Updated on November 6, 2008 at 2:11 pm

President-elect Barack Obama won't be inaugurated for another ten weeks, but groups are already forming on the Internet to call for his impeachment.

Several groups exist on the social networking site Facebook, calling for the removal of Obama from office for a number of reasons, including planning to not uphold the Constitution of the United States and campaign finance violations.

Impeach Barack Obama was formed under the assumption that the winner of Tuesday's election will waste little time in violating his oath of office and already has more than 2,500 members on Facebook:

"This group has been created under the assumption that it takes approximately 7 seconds for a modern day President to violate this oath. So we should be ready."

Impeach Barack Hussein Obama seems mostly concerned with the Democrat's prior support for an assault weapons ban and accusations that he's a closet Marxist.

"Obama has voiced support for various unconstitutional programs such as the assault weapons ban, universal healthcare, and various schemes for wealth distribution. What are we going to do about it? RESIST SOCIALISM! IMPEACH HIM!

might as well start before he gets in office."

From the last election, I wonder who the Republicans were listening to?
Insert stupid period thing here......

A historic number of “faithless” electors -- seven in total--each cast their ballots on Monday for a candidate other than the one who won his or her state. What may be more surprising, given the level of protests against Donald Trump and the pressure exerted on Republican electors, is that a greater number were untrue to Hillary Clinton than to Mr. Trump.


Among the 538 electors chosen to represent their states in the Electoral College, five were faithless to the Democratic nominee and two to the Republican. Prior to this year, there hasn’t been more than one faithless elector in any presidential election since 1948.

NO. The Democrats did not decline to accept defeat in 2016. Hillary Clinton conceded, albeit with insinuations that the Russians had helped Trump. But grumbling about your loss is a far cry from contesting it. A few Democrats lodged complaints about the vote in January 2017 when the Electoral College results were read out. Joe Biden, the then-president of the Senate and sitting vice-president handled those matters as he should according to the Constitution.

And playing your silly game about how "there are allegations of" is baloney, it matters now. Never more than now. It isn’t about the precedent that this might set for some imagined Democratic abuse of the future. The abuse is here. The abuse of power is now. This is a constitutional crisis because one party has decided that it cares more for power than for the American system. Giving one iota of support for Trump’s unconstitutional coup attempt is discrediting for every person, politician and commentator who fails to call it out loudly and unequivocally. A decent few, like Senators Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney have done so. Find your voice, or don’t insult the rest of us by calling yourself a patriot.

Bonkers and dishonest. God forbid you be critical of your side.

The only thing that democrats didn't say about 2016, was that they lost fair and square. They made every other conceivable claim. Including putting pressure on electors to vote for someone other than Trump after the election. Sorry Pete, that happened. Just because you can't being yourself to admit how terrifying that is, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You consistently ignore history to repeat Trumplican tropes.

Jim I think same aged cheese would go nicely with your whine.

don’t know what to suggest to pair with lies and denial, you can figure it out.

again, instead of insulting me, can you offer any evidence that you’re not engaging in hypocrisy and double standards?

why was it ok for democrats to spend every waking moment for 4 years to undermine the results of an election that didn’t go their way, but it’s bad when republicans do the same thing.

i assume there’s a reason why certification was made part of the process. IF i didn’t think an election was honest, i wouldn’t certify that it was. that doesn’t mean i like what the gop is doing here.

i don’t know to what degree there was fraud and cheating, but not one lefty here, not one, has expressed any skepticism at all, about vote counters being sent home at the same exact time that all the votes started going do biden in swing states. it could well be a harmless coincidence, i don’t know. i’m ready for it to be over, for sure. i’m bored with it all.


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I had never even heard of Dems putting pressure on electors until you brought it up. Looks like is was mostly a few disgruntled Sanders supporters.

Jim, there’s no parallel for this. A sitting president just brazenly committed what is most likely election fraud and his base couldn’t care otherwise.
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dems putting pressure on electors was everywhere after the 2016 election. you were probably still too morbidly depressed, but i’m no making it up. it didn’t get the traction that decertification has now within the GOP. but neither did it get any public resistance from anyone i. the left. None.
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dems putting pressure on electors was everywhere after the 2016 election. you were probably still too morbidly depressed, but i’m no making it up. it didn’t get the traction that decertification has now within the GOP. but neither did it get any public resistance from anyone i. the left. None.
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Spence is playing drama queen again
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Spence is playing drama queen again
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it makes democrats look bad? in that case, it didn’t happen.

scott, you and i have had respectful but spirited disagreements here, as i’ve had with Detbuch and dangles. these guys are engaging in one, big circle jerk of TDS.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVOkCfj0lbk

I had never even heard of Dems putting pressure on electors until you brought it up. Looks like is was mostly a few disgruntled Sanders supporters.

Jim, there’s no parallel for this. A sitting president just brazenly committed what is most likely election fraud and his base couldn’t care otherwise.
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If his base couldn’t care otherwise then why did a person who most likely identifies as R start this thread.
Stop being dramatic Jeff, your turtleneck is cutting off your circulation or Paul stole your password.

When will the Always Trumpers admit the Never Trumpers were right?

Tonight is a good night for everyone to remind themselves that Joe Biden absolutely blew Trump out of the water.

If his base couldn’t care otherwise then why did a person who most likely identifies as R start this thread.
Stop being dramatic Jeff, your turtleneck is cutting off your circulation or Paul stole your password.

Just got another PM on another site from a member here stating what a scummy person you are and some instances from your past.

It is amazing that that has happened multiple times.

dbut neither did it get any public resistance from anyone i. the left. None.
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THAT'S BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT

THAT'S BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT

or everyone knew, but many people aren’t capable of criticizing their own side. do you think you fall into that category?
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If his base couldn’t care otherwise then why did a person who most likely identifies as R start this thread.
Stop being dramatic Jeff, your turtleneck is cutting off your circulation or Paul stole your password.
Please reread your post, think, then edit if you feel appropriate.

or everyone knew, but many people aren’t capable of criticizing their own side. do you think you fall into that category?
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I am pretty clued in on news stuff and don’t remember this happening in the past on either side, but it clearly wasn’t at this scale. Maybe I missed it.

I am only hearing about the Barbra boxer stuff now (on a story on msnbc this morning fwiw)....
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I am pretty clued in on news stuff and don’t remember this happening in the past on either side, but it clearly wasn’t at this scale. Maybe I missed it.

I am only hearing about the Barbra boxer stuff now (on a story on msnbc this morning fwiw)....
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OK you know i think you’re fair and reasonable. it was in the news every day for 2 weeks in 2016. sorry, i’m not a liar bryan.

i said it wasn’t at this scale. but there was absolutely no opposition from the left. and if you consider all the excuses the left came up with as to why the 2016 election wasn’t fair, it was on this scale, hilary blamed her loss on everything conceivable, except losing fair and square. how many of the lefties here told her to just shut up and admit she lost a fair election?
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https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19-2017
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https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19-2017
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you made that up.
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https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19-2017
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plus senator boxer made a stink about the electoral votes in 2004, but again, that was ok.
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Somehow went from “Suck it up, Snowflake, you lost!” to “Oh we lost? Let’s shred the Constitution.”
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Somehow went from “Suck it up, Snowflake, you lost!” to “Oh we lost? Let’s shred the Constitution.”
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please tell us which part of the Constitution is being shredded

plus senator boxer made a stink about the electoral votes in 2004, but again, that was ok.
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democrats have a long history of opposing/challenging the electors....it was justified when they do it...like most things...but an abomination when the republicans do it...they are a joke and they are acting like people who are guilty:kewl:



Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.,

"I believe that Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) have performed a very valuable public service in bringing this debate before the Congress. As Americans, we should all be troubled by reports of voting problems in many parts of the country," Van Hollen, at the time a House member, said in a press release. "I have been particularly concerned about the lack of a verifiable paper record in connection with electronic voting systems.

Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.,

Sen. Hawley’s actions are grossly irresponsible. He’s attempting to undermine our democratic process, fuel Trump’s lies about voter fraud, and delay the certification of Biden’s win. In the end, this reckless stunt will fail, and Joe Biden will become President on Jan. 20, 2021.

please tell us which part of the Constitution is being shredded

they live making that claim, then you ask them for specifics, and you get nothing.
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democrats have a long history of opposing/challenging the electors....it was justified when they do it...like most things...but an abomination when the republicans do it...they are a joke and they are acting like people who are guilty:kewl:



Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.,

"I believe that Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) have performed a very valuable public service in bringing this debate before the Congress. As Americans, we should all be troubled by reports of voting problems in many parts of the country," Van Hollen, at the time a House member, said in a press release. "I have been particularly concerned about the lack of a verifiable paper record in connection with electronic voting systems.

Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.,

Sen. Hawley’s actions are grossly irresponsible. He’s attempting to undermine our democratic process, fuel Trump’s lies about voter fraud, and delay the certification of Biden’s win. In the end, this reckless stunt will fail, and Joe Biden will become President on Jan. 20, 2021.

nice to see them stick to their principles! let’s wait to hear how you took it out of context.
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please tell us which part of the Constitution is being shredded

Pay attention to what Tweety is doing, Troll

Today is another one for everyone to remind themselves that Joe Biden absolutely blew Trump out of the water.
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Pay attention to what Tweety is doing, Troll

Today is another one for everyone to remind themselves that Joe Biden absolutely blew Trump out of the water.
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be specific fool...

be specific fool...

Poor troll

I just want to find 11,780 votes
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be specific fool...

you ask for specifics and get an insult, which means he has no specifics he can provide.

He’s right on GA I fear...can’t see that the GOP has any momentum at all.
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Poor troll

I just want to find 11,780 votes
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taken out of context...

He’s right on GA I fear...

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blind squirrel might get a nut...

Please reread your post, think, then edit if you feel appropriate.

I love it when you play dumb
That is adorable

taken out of context...

Find anything that is acceptable in the call to Raffensperger, that you would find acceptable for an elected official to say
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Find anything that is acceptable in the call to Raffensperger, that you would find acceptable for an elected official to say
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I'd love to see the call transcripts of many elected officials for comparison....

I'd love to see the call transcripts of many elected officials for comparison....

Are you referring to Lindsey Graham’s call to Raffensperger?

Seems like typical Trumplican protocol
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Republicans have likely lost control of the Senate, but will have the consolation prize of being able to marinate for hours today in delusional schemes to indulge the conspiracy theories of the man who did more than his share to lose these races

They built this golem, now it is destroying them, as many predicted.

Ask yourself whom you heard the Stable Genius attack more in the last two months: Ossoff and Warnock? Or Kemp and Raffensberger?