Turn on the news.

what is insane is to listen to these reporters cackle about how violent and dangerous this is as they continue to show live footage of people just wandering around...

no smoke, no flames, no spray paint, no Molotov cocktails, no people being beaten, nobody screaming at the police or throwing things at them that I've seen...

No surprise. As I said recently, be glad we have the system we have because of we didn't, this would be even worse. Breaching the capitol. At least they aren't wearing pink hats with ears .
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what is insane is to listen to these reporters cackle about how violent and dangerous this is as they continue to show live footage of people just wandering around...

no smoke, no flames, no spray paint, no Molotov cocktails, no people being beaten, nobody screaming at the police or throwing things at them that I've seen...
This is the dumbest thing you've ever posted, and that's a remarkable feat.

This is the dumbest thing you've ever posted, and that's a remarkable feat.

Beyond dumb, but expected, Trump supported thugs are inside the white house and breaking into the chamber. Banana republic time was right around the corner if Trump had won the election. Where is our leader, where is the outrage that his supporters have taken over the white house, my guess is he is in the residence just enjoying the show. What the F*ck is this a movie set for a white house down sequel.

Where is our leader, where is the outrage that his supporters have taken over the white house, my guess is he is in the residence just enjoying the show.
Exactly, Trump is loving the fact that his crazies would do something like this. Jim will probably counter with a remark about black unemployment.

they should refuse to leave and call it CHAZ....or CHOP....still mostly peaceful by leftist standards

they should refuse to leave and call it CHAZ....or CHOP....still mostly peaceful by leftist standards

What no TV in your home, you are F*cking nuts if you think this is peaceful. I love the outrage about protesting over BLM, I'm guessing there will be little outrage from the right on this board to what is happening today. How do you think the world is viewing the US, when thugs and radical Trump supporters can overrun security and enter the white house and actually force their way into the chamber. We used to be the example of democracy and how at the end of a term, once an election is certified we peacefully transitioned to insure our national security. This is how fragile democracies fall and Trump has fanned the fire and now is enjoying watching it burn, he is nothing more than a domestic terrorist at this point.

What no TV in your home, you are F*cking nuts if you think this is peaceful. I love the outrage about protesting over BLM, I'm guessing there will be little outrage from the right on this board to what is happening today. How do you think the world is viewing the US, when thugs and radical Trump supporters can overrun security and enter the white house and actually force their way into the chamber. We used to be the example of democracy and how at the end of a term, once an election is certified we peacefully transitioned to insure our national security. This is how fragile democracies fall and Trump has fanned the fire and now is enjoying watching it burn, he is nothing more than a domestic terrorist at this point.

I see lots of people standing around.....

I see lots of people standing around.....

People doing damage to the seat of our democracy and all as you have is snarky comments. Sad
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by far the worst moment of his presidency, nothing comes close, conservatives can never again say that liberals are the only ones to resort to violence when outcomes don’t go the way they want. It’s disgusting. Horrifying.
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Trump supported thugs are inside the white house and breaking into the chamber
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did trump invite them over to the white house too?

They would find safety in the RHAZ.

Well, Ivanka called them American Patriots

They’re in the Capitol building, not the White House
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conservatives are finally acting the way liberals have claimed they’ve been acting. and it ain’t pretty. and trump was an unbelievable jerk about it.
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They’re in the Capitol building, not the White House
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Only their leader, who told them to march to the Capital is in the White House.

Trumpist criminal incitement this morning:

TRUMP called for the mob to be "strong" and "fight" and said he'd go with them to the Capitol.

TRUMP'S LAWYER urged "trial by combat."

TRUMP'S SON said to Congress, "we're coming for you, and we're going to have a good time doing it."

conservatives are finally acting the way liberals have claimed they’ve been acting. and it ain’t pretty. and trump was an unbelievable jerk about it.
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These people are in no way conservatives.
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Watching the Trump cult you really understand the Waco and Jonestown phenomena a lot better.

Watching the Trump cult you really understand the Waco and Jonestown phenomena a lot better.

Ouch. Those didn’t end well
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A source close to the White House who is in touch with some of the rioters at the Capitol said it's the goal of those involved to stay inside the Capitol through the night.

How and why is someone close to the WH familiar enough with the rioters to be “in touch with them”? That tells me this is a coordinated effort. That’s called conspiracy.

These people are in no way conservatives.
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i think a lot of them think they are.

i didn’t think the last days would be like this. i couldn’t have been more wrong.

i don’t see how a republican gets elected outside of a real right wing state for a long time. all
the democrats need to do is hang onto large scale mail in voting, and/or give voting rights to non citizens, and poof, that’s it.
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i don’t see how a republican gets elected outside of a real right wing state for a long time. all
the democrats need to do is hang onto large scale mail in voting, and/or give voting rights to non citizens, and poof, that’s it.
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Yup. They can make up all the votes they need
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i think a lot of them think they are.

i didn’t think the last days would be like this. i couldn’t have been more wrong.

i don’t see how a republican gets elected outside of a real right wing state for a long time. all
the democrats need to do is hang onto large scale mail in voting, and/or give voting rights to non citizens, and poof, that’s it.
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The republicans running against Trump in 2016 warned the party what Trump was and Trump's legacy won't be (sorry SD) that he is the greatest president of all time, it will be the he single handedly brought the republican party to it's demise.

A source close to the White House who is in touch with some of the rioters at the Capitol said it's the goal of those involved to stay inside the Capitol through the night.

How and why is someone close to the WH familiar enough with the rioters to be “in touch with them”? That tells me this is a coordinated effort. That’s called conspiracy.

Sounds like you have some sleuthing to do
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A source close to the White House who is in touch with some of the rioters at the Capitol said it's the goal of those involved to stay inside the Capitol through the night.

How and why is someone close to the WH familiar enough with the rioters to be “in touch with them”? That tells me this is a coordinated effort. That’s called conspiracy.

Sounds like you have some sleuthing to do
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Don't worry, the DOJ has people who do sleuthing.

Lisa Monaco will be Deputy AG and has plenty of prosecution experience, probably bring back Andrew Weissman to help.
They won't be as nice as Mueller

This administration will set records for indictments.

Looks like everyone is heading for cracker barrel
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The republicans running against Trump in 2016 warned the party what Trump was and Trump's legacy won't be (sorry SD) that he is the greatest president of all time, it will be the he single handedly brought the republican party to it's demise.

before last night, i’d have said that was nonsense. now, i have no argument. none. except it’s not him that will be the demise, it’s the democrats willingness to change things to guarantee they prevail ( letting non citizens vote, stacking courts, etc).
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before last night, i’d have said that was nonsense. now, i have no argument. none. except it’s not him that will be the demise, it’s the democrats willingness to change things to guarantee they prevail ( letting non citizens vote, stacking courts, etc).
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look on the bright side...when the democrats have power they lose their minds and go WAYYY too far...that will happen...should be entertaining and provide lot's of material

look on the bright side...when the democrats have power they lose their minds and go WAYYY too far...that will happen...should be entertaining and provide lot's of material

that’s typically true. but if they give voting rights to non citizens, there’s no such thing as going too far, because jen you’ve shifted the electorate to the left. it’s not something obama would have done. i can’t see why they wouldn’t do it now. nor can i see the way to overcome that, combined with the media.
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one bright side, it’s good to see that the liberals here are, in fact, capable of opposing a riot.
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one bright side, it’s good to see that the liberals here are, in fact, capable of opposing a riot.
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Peaceful protest is our right, beyond that you are just a thug and criminal. Doesn’t mean that there seems to be two different types of response based on the movement, unless you have blinders on.

Peaceful protest is our right, beyond that you are just a thug and criminal. Doesn’t mean that there seems to be two different types of response based on the movement, unless you have blinders on.

i didn’t say anything about peaceful
protests, which of course is our right. i said riot, which is no ones right. you condemned what happened today, and i agree with you 100%. but none of you has condemned anything done by antifa or blm, because those riots, and they were riots, weren’t an issue for you.

i’m not defending today. i’m more upset than you are, because i’ve had good reason until
today to hold the right to a higher standard. we’ve lived up to it. until effing Trump put on his al sharpton hat and hit hem all whipped up.

you couldn’t respond to what i said, so you pivot to peaceful protests, which are t what we’re talking about.

are you saying that the antics and blm demonstrations, and chaz this and autonomous that, were all peaceful? let’s be clear.
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Didn’t you read my post I did condemn anything beyond our right to peaceful protest.

before last night, i’d have said that was nonsense. now, i have no argument. none. except it’s not him that will be the demise, it’s the democrats willingness to change things to guarantee they prevail ( letting non citizens vote, stacking courts, etc).
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Who just spent 6 years on court stacking?
Not confirming during the Obama administration and then putting anyone who seems to be on the right regardless of their qualifications and then you repeat the right wing trope of letting non citizens vote.
Your man just tried to deny American voters their choice in a free and fair election, far too many prominent Trumplicans were willing to abet him and cheer him on.
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Million moron March
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Didn’t you read my post I did condemn anything beyond our right to peaceful protest.

but did you condemn it, when democrats were doing the rioting? f so, you have true principles. if not, then you don’t.
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but did you condemn it, when democrats were doing the rioting? f so, you have true principles. if not, then you don’t.
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Pull my post Jim and make me wrong..
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Trump’s actions perfectly fit the legal definition of sedition: conspiring “by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.”
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Look what happens when fire meets fire
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Pull my post Jim and make me wrong..
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i didn’t say that post was wrong. but can you point me to similar posts you made this summer, when liberals were burnt g neighborhoods to the ground? because i didn’t see you or spence or wdmso start any threads then. Why is that?
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but did you condemn it, when democrats were doing the rioting?

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I think we were told "this is what democracy looks like" and "sometimes change involves some pain"...or something like that

I think we were told "this is what democracy looks like" and "sometimes change involves some pain"...or something like that

exactly.
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chris cuomo this summer: “show me where it says protesters are supposed to be peaceful.”.
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chris cuomo this summer: “show me where it says protesters are supposed to be peaceful.”.
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oh there's a plethora of fine examples....

Nancy Pelosi "people are gonna do what people are gonna do"

Love the media all clamoring how if they weren't white, they would all be getting shot....white privilege. Did they forget the 6-8 months of BLM/ Antifa riots that were met with no recourse? There hypocrisy is astounding, can't believe people fall for it. I just wanna know when I can go loot some Jordan's and TVs and #^&#^&#^&#^& in the street without getting in trouble.

NEW: The FBI is appealing to the public for information that will assist federal investigators in identifying members of the pro-Trump mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol building.

The bureau has created an intake website for tips, photos, and videos at: fbi.gov/USCapitol
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NEW: The FBI is appealing to the public for information that will assist federal investigators in identifying members of the pro-Trump mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol building.

The bureau has created an intake website for tips, photos, and videos at: fbi.gov/USCapitol
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pete..if you scour the internets I bet you can be of great assistance to the authorities on this one...get on it:humpty:

start with the dude in the hat with the horns and face paint...that should be low hanging fruit

I just wanna know when I can go loot some Jordan's and TVs and #^&#^&#^&#^& in the street without getting in trouble.

Hundreds of people were arrested in those incidents. Many were the same right wing nuts who smashed their way into the capitol. Lots of street cam review in police work these days. In most cases, the news sources moved on to the next headline.

Imagine the rhetoric in this country if this had happened at the original million man march during an active session of congress.

pete..if you scour the internets I bet you can be of great assistance to the authorities on this one...get on it:humpty:

start with the dude in the hat with the horns and face paint...that should be low hanging fruit

Don’t worry, I’ll guarantee they already know who Jake Angelli is
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Love the media all clamoring how if they weren't white, they would all be getting shot....white privilege. Did they forget the 6-8 months of BLM/ Antifa riots that were met with no recourse? There hypocrisy is astounding, can't believe people fall for it. I just wanna know when I can go loot some Jordan's and TVs and #^&#^&#^&#^& in the street without getting in trouble.

i heard that stupid argument 100 times yesterday. this riot was met with force immediately and put down quickly. While BLM and antifa routed all summer
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Baloney
A lawyer I know represented a client pro bono who was arrested at a protest of racial injustice in NYC because he was biking alongside a march and taking videos. They zip-tied him, threw him in a van, and held him for hours.

Contrast that to law enforcement response yesterday at the Capitol.

ZERO:
Press releases from US Capitol Police. Arrest lists from US Capitol Police. Explanations or statements from US Capitol Police. Words from their taxpayer-funded public information office .... After their most important day in at least two decades.

Contrast that to law enforcement response yesterday at the Capitol.

ZERO:
Press releases from US Capitol Police. Arrest lists from US Capitol Police. Explanations or statements from US Capitol Police. Words from their taxpayer-funded public information office .... After their most important day in at least two decades.

probably systemic racism....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QJm2XUwRpQ

Baloney
A lawyer I know represented a client pro bono who was arrested at a protest of racial injustice in NYC because he was biking alongside a march and taking videos. They zip-tied him, threw him in a van, and held him for hours.

Contrast that to law enforcement response yesterday at the Capitol.

ZERO:
Press releases from US Capitol Police. Arrest lists from US Capitol Police. Explanations or statements from US Capitol Police. Words from their taxpayer-funded public information office .... After their most important day in at least two decades.

probably systemic racism....

He was black

He was black



oh....then there's no question....

Don’t worry, I’ll guarantee they already know who Jake Angelli is


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I bet his picture is on the wall of your bunker :bl:

hey, I don't approve of the people entering the Capitol building yesterday and I want anyone who broke laws yesterday held accountable...

but...

if I WAS going to storm the Capitol...that's what I'd be wearing...:D

From the daughter of a former Capitol police officer

"I really wish someone would call my Dad, a retired Capitol Hill police officer (37yrs), to talk about the difference in preparation. The stories he’s telling me about prep for Farrakhan and others vs why yesterday happened the way it did is mind blowing.
He just told me about a time when Farrakhan was on the Hill with 4 men. Not 40. Not 14. FOUR. They had the SWAT Team in the garage and held the entire department until Farrakhan left.

He said if you even mentioned his name, all days off were canceled due to prep.

When Obama was elected he said they did a surprise background check on all of the police officers on the Hill. He said they had never done it since he was on the force & he was there from Nixon thru Obama.
He said they found out two officials, one Sgt and one Lt, were members of a racist motorcycle club. He said he the conditions are worse than when he was there b/c you don’t have the same voices & advocates on the force. He retired in 2009 & was the #1 senior person when he left.

He said since they got rid of the german shepherds and they got rid of the horses. He said if that was Black Lives Matter they would have called in Park Police horses for crowd control. He said there was NO crowd tools yesterday.

He said where the crowd tried to enter, where the lady was unfortunately killed, is where the members were located. He said when they entered that building all officers would have been within reason to do whatever was in their power to protect the senators & members of Congress.

He said normally, in a situation like yesterday you would have Capitol Police, Park & Metropolitan police working together when you know there’s a big crowd or demonstration. That didn’t happen yesterday. MD state troopers, VA state troopers & everyone else came AFTER the fact.

He said they had the intel and the chief did not prepare. PERIOD.

He said even before Black Lives Matter, any time you talk about Blacks, officials got scared and over prepared.

He said what makes it so bad is that the folks yesterday had weapons. And they knew that it was going to be a 50-50 chance that something could go wrong.

He said ask the people, where were the dogs?

He said because of who they were and because of who called them down there, they didn’t prepare...

He said who those people represented made a difference. Just like who Black Lives Matter represents makes a difference.

He said the sad thing is this has been going on for YEARS. He said instead of doing police reform they need to start with HILL REFORM. He said the good ole boy system starts at Capitol Hill. He said you have to change The Hill.

I bet his picture is on the wall of your bunker :bl:

hey, I don't approve of the people entering the Capitol building yesterday and I want anyone who broke laws yesterday held accountable...

but...

if I WAS going to storm the Capitol...that's what I'd be wearing...:D

Have I ever described my younger brother for you all?
He has to be subject matter expert, about everything.
He like to command attention towards him by just speaking the most.
He likes to poke, prod, and poke again, thinking he is funny.
And then, pulls back with both hands held up, saying "I didn't do it!"
But always, always has to throw in that last barb, that last word...

So as the older brother, it was a balancing act. He annoyed most. Was disliked by many. I stopped physically defending him. And then was able to go away to school in the middle of my sophomore year. We are in our sixties now, yet I still have folks ask me if he is really my brother....

There are other more colorful adjectives I could use to describe his behavior but will pass on those.

Scott, your posts in this forum represent, to me anyway, the same sort of choices he would make, as I have described above. If nothing else, you have helped me determine the word that best describes him. Troll.

Scott, your posts in this forum represent, to me anyway, the same sort of choices he would make, as I have described above. If nothing else, you have helped me determine the word that best describes him. Troll.



:cheers2:

I was thinking more of a mental midget.
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There's no Einsteins here on either side of the aisle
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Now Tweety has access to the nuclear codes but he can't Tweet or post to Facebook.

OK

Now Tweety has access to the nuclear codes but he can't Tweet or post to Facebook.

OK
To be fair, I don't let my 10 year old use social media either.

To be fair, I don't let my 10 year old use social media either.

The other choice isn't the microwave ;)

Taking away Trump’s Twitter is like taking heroine away from an addict, it’s going to be hard on his support minions. So the last time the capital building was breached it was the British red coats and the next time it is MAGA red hats, oh the irony!
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Taking away Trump’s Twitter is like taking away pete's posting privileges...

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fixed it :scream:

US Capitol Police officer has died of injuries sustained in yesterday’s assault on the Capitol. My heart goes out to the family of the officer and to all who risk their lives every day to protect and serve our communities with dignity and principle.
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fixed it :scream:

That sits funny
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QAnoners & Trump supporters who are QAnon adjacent are saying they do not see the video as a concession because Trump didn’t name “the new administration”

Many see it as a sign that he means that he’s purging all those who were disloyal to him and thus it will be a new admin.
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He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime 🇺🇸
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Dangles just wishes his sugar mama bought him a plane ticket to go down to DC to stop the steal and drop a deuce on bernie’s senate office desk.
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sums it up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9XWNz0GW4&t=310s

Dangles just wishes his sugar mama bought him a plane ticket to go down to DC to stop the steal and drop a deuce on bernie’s senate office desk.
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Nancy would get a steamer fro me but instead it is just poor Guppy
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they should refuse to leave and call it CHAZ....or CHOP....still mostly peaceful by leftist standards

I dunno. The second Capital to be overrun in the past year is arguably less violent than the previous Capitol overrun.

before last night, i’d have said that was nonsense. now, i have no argument. none. except it’s not him that will be the demise, it’s the democrats willingness to change things to guarantee they prevail ( letting non citizens vote, stacking courts, etc).
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True. We can fix Trump. We can't fix the Dems willingness to rewrite everything in order to consolidate power.


Peaceful protest is our right, beyond that you are just a thug and criminal. Doesn’t mean that there seems to be two different types of response based on the movement, unless you have blinders on.

FTR - I despise what happened in the Capital this week. But middle finger to everyone that thought it was OK to break some eggs to make the omelette over the past 7 months now getting their panties in a bunch.

For months I sat here saying peaceful protest was fine but the arson, rioting, mob destruction of public and private property and the mob's removal of statues and incitement of violence. All of you NOW with your panties in a bunch really need to do some soul searching. I really do want to be more harsh in my response on this.

For months mobs of people have been protesting (with some legit reasons) and a sizeable number of people have been encouraged to go beyond and loot burn and destruct - then have celebs and politicians bail them out and defund Law Enforcement. Where was Nancy and AOC calling out for David Dorn's justice?

People have been watching for 7 months that it was OK to riot and loot - well they hardly looted.

Trump’s actions perfectly fit the legal definition of sedition: conspiring “by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.”
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And he is not the first.


There's no Einsteins here on either side of the aisle
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"There are Einsteins"

True. We can fix Trump. We can't fix the Dems willingness to rewrite everything in order to consolidate power.




Good lord... Are you talking about making sure anyone is legally able and who wants to vote can vote? One would think you would be happy with the typical person in a red state having their vote be worth 2 to 3 times what the vote of a California or New York resident is worth; happy with all the places the Repubes. have made it where they receive 40% of votes in a state and get 70% of the congressional seats. Must be a concern about losing power rather than fair representation of the will of the people.

I dunno. The second Capital to be overrun in the past year is arguably less violent than the previous Capitol overrun.



Can you imagine if Hillary were president and a group of lefties breached the capitol, not only during an active session of congress, but the certification of an election. The nutters would be screaming "they should have mowed them down!"

And he is not the first.

He needs to be removed.

This was not comparable to the thousands of demonstrations that occurred this year.

Nothing compares to how close the 1-2-3 in the line of presidential succession, VP-Speaker-Pro tempore came to being physically harmed on Weds. The terrorists had operable bombs, killed an officer and ransacked difficult to access areas of the Capitol.
They marched into the Capitol with the express aim of finding Pence and others and hanging them on the lawn to "set an example".
The goal, encouraged and incited by the sitting President and his allies, was to perform a coup, prevent the peaceful transfer of power and thus usurp the choice of the voters.

I dunno. The second Capital to be overrun in the past year is arguably less violent than the previous Capitol overrun.




didn't the democrats take over the Wisconsin State Capitol in 2011 too?

Can you imagine if Hillary were president



that's funny :laugha:

Good lord... Are you talking about making sure anyone is legally able and who wants to vote can vote? One would think you would be happy with the typical person in a red state having their vote be worth 2 to 3 times what the vote of a California or New York resident is worth; happy with all the places the Repubes. have made it where they receive 40% of votes in a state and get 70% of the congressional seats. Must be a concern about losing power rather than fair representation of the will of the people.
he’s talking about the dems saying they want to give illegals the right to vote, end the fillibuster, add states, stack the court. i think.

is there evidence that democrats don’t gerrymander?
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Elections have consequences

You can thank Tweety for the Georgia Senate races

Elections have consequences

You can thank Tweety for the Georgia Senate races

Agreed. They can do whatever they want. I'm not denying that, I was just clarifying that I don't think that John R was saying voting shouldn't be fair. Naturally you had to bring that to Trump.

After he leaves, will you still be pathologically obsessed?

Agreed. They can do whatever they want. I'm not denying that, I was just clarifying that I don't think that John R was saying voting shouldn't be fair. Naturally you had to bring that to Trump.

After he leaves, will you still be pathologically obsessed?

As I said months ago, Trump was going to lose the Senate seats.
I’ll leave the obsession to you.
Keep track of the suit and sock colors, will you...
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Good lord... Are you talking about making sure anyone is legally able and who wants to vote can vote? One would think you would be happy with the typical person in a red state having their vote be worth 2 to 3 times what the vote of a California or New York resident is worth; happy with all the places the Repubes. have made it where they receive 40% of votes in a state and get 70% of the congressional seats. Must be a concern about losing power rather than fair representation of the will of the people.


No. I mean Dems wanting to abolish Electoral College, Extra States, extra justices - all stuff they want to do to consolidate their power.


didn't the democrats take over the Wisconsin State Capitol in 2011 too?

Heck - Code Pink has temporarily disrupted the US Capitol. It is not as bad as what happened this week but remember all those Handmaiden's Tales ; )

he’s talking about the dems saying they want to give illegals the right to vote, end the fillibuster, add states, stack the court. i think.

is there evidence that democrats don’t gerrymander?
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True

Elections have consequences

You can thank Tweety for the Georgia Senate races

Yep - he cost the Rs the Senate.

JohnR

There are demonstrations and protests every year and have been for more than 100 years.

This was not a peaceful assembly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcASKUd7KTo

Geez Pete there’s gotta be a couple hundred dollars of damage in that report. Hillary could do more damage with an ashtray




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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Hillary wouldn't have let 400,000 die or incited sedition. Just a thought.

No. I mean Dems wanting to abolish Electoral College, Extra States, extra justices - all stuff they want to do to consolidate their power.



That is at least slightly more reasonable to be concerned about as a righter. The r's are big fans of "by the people" so considering whether D.C., which in modern times has the population greater than Wyoming, Vermont, and about equal to Alaska should get statehood shouldn't be consider such a threat, but rather a way to achieve for...and by the people for those Americans. Puerto Rico and territories have no shot, but D.C. worth debating.

Thank Mitch for the extra justices discussion. Reasonable to debate given his embarrassing power grab. The history buffs here would know that the current electoral system is nothing like what the founders envisioned and was born out of, among other things, distrust of the people to be knowledgeable enough to direct elect and served as a way to "consolidate power" of the slave states. It was debated before, it is always open to debate.

Democrats raising these ideas in response to the current state of the union isn't something that needs to be fixed. They are issues have been debated and revisited since the earliest days.

That is at least slightly more reasonable to be concerned about as a righter. The r's are big fans of "by the people" so considering whether D.C., which in modern times has the population greater than Wyoming, Vermont, and about equal to Alaska should get statehood shouldn't be consider such a threat, but rather a way to achieve for...and by the people for those Americans. Puerto Rico and territories have no shot, but D.C. worth debating.

Thank Mitch for the extra justices discussion. Reasonable to debate given his embarrassing power grab. The history buffs here would know that the current electoral system is nothing like what the founders envisioned and was born out of, among other things, distrust of the people to be knowledgeable enough to direct elect and served as a way to "consolidate power" of the slave states. It was debated before, it is always open to debate.

Democrats raising these ideas in response to the current state of the union isn't something that needs to be fixed. They are issues have been debated and revisited since the earliest days.

ending the fillibuster, stacking the supreme court, giving voting rights to illegals, and adding states to get around the electoral college, have never been seriously considered until now, not by people
with actual influence.

we elected the dems, so if those things happen, we deserve it. but let’s not say those are things that have been seriously considered.
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ending the fillibuster (Henry Clay 1841), stacking the supreme court (Congress changed the
Court’s size multiple times during the nineteenth century.) , giving voting rights to illegals (no person with actual influence has called for this), and adding states to get around the electoral college (In 1889 and 1890, Congress added North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Washington, Idaho, and Wyoming—the largest admission of states since the original 13. This addition of 12 new senators and 18 new electors to the Electoral College was a deliberate strategy of late-19th-century Republicans to stay in power after their swing toward Big Business cost them a popular majority. The strategy paid dividends deep into the future; indeed, the admission of so many rural states back then helps to explain GOP control of the Senate today, 130 years later.), have never been seriously considered until now, not by people with actual influence.

we elected the dems, so if those things happen, we deserve it. but let’s not say those are things that have been seriously considered.
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But you are arguably incorrect.

But you are arguably incorrect.

Did Jim actually write that crap? Our collective knowledge of history isn't very good I guess.
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Republican Sen. Ben Sasse has just revealed that he heard from senior White House officials that President Trump was "delighted" and "excited" to hear that his supporters were breaking into the Capitol building in a riot Wednesday that turned deadly.

“As this was unfolding on television, Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was as you had rioters pushing against Capitol Police trying to get into the building."
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If you want any inkling that might possibly in the slightest manner penetrate your self-righteous Progressive/leftist/Democrat mind . . . any inkling of what your politically inbred political and social narrative is breeding in the minds of the other half of the country, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qmsW0haE8

Meanwhile in the real world
Twitter thinks Trump is a permanent national security threat
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Meanwhile in the real world
Twitter thinks Trump is a permanent national security threat
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Just like JohnR had to do with a dopey malcontent.

Meanwhile in the real world
Twitter thinks Trump is a permanent national security threat
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Twitter is not the real world. It is a corporate left leaning authoritarian tool. It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler. Facebook likewise to Rumble. Unless . . . "In a letter to the developers of Parler, Apple said it will pull the app in 24 hours if it does not get a plan to moderate the service more" . . . censorious crony corporate authoritarianism on the rise

Thought control. Language control. Mind control. The so-called American Experiment is in serious decline.

Meanwhile in the real world
Twitter thinks Trump is a permanent national security threat
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And, yeah, this video is the real world of what those you try to marginalize and destroy really think about your biased, reactionary, inflammatory parroting of the left wing authoritarian narrative (refusing to watch it exposes your narrow minded insularity, your willful ignorance):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qmsW0haE8

Twitter says it has seen conversation on and off Twitter of a “proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.”
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Twitter says it has seen conversation on and off Twitter of a “proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.”
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Did they inform the FBI? Probably don't need to. Our massive government surveillance of Americans has probably already caught that. Has Twitter banned the CCP or the Iranian death to America crowd yet?

And there's youtube--watch that video just posted above? Or are you just too comfortable in your radical ignorance?

Did they inform the FBI? Probably don't need to. Our massive government surveillance of Americans has probably already caught that. Has Twitter banned the CCP or the Iranian death to America crowd yet?

And there's youtube--watch that video just posted above? Or are you just too comfortable in your radical ignorance?

Just run off to Parler or Rumble and live in your imaginary world with President Donnie Camacho.
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Did they inform the FBI? Probably don't need to. Our massive government surveillance of Americans has probably already caught that. Has Twitter banned the CCP or the Iranian death to America crowd yet?

And there's youtube--watch that video just posted above? Or are you just too comfortable in your radical ignorance?

"It takes bomb-makers to build bombs. It takes leaders to create insurrection & sedition. We need to know who they are & make sure they’re no longer capable of harming us."
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"It takes bomb-makers to build bombs. It takes leaders to create insurrection & sedition. We need to know who they are & make sure they’re no longer capable of harming us."
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Ok. Get those who built the bombs. You do realize it was a "mostly peaceful protest" not an insurrection.

Just run off to Parler or Rumble and live in your imaginary world with President Donnie Camacho.
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This is exactly the kind of stupid willfully ignorant comment that divides us.

But the content of this video is not imaginary. It is real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qmsW0haE8&feature=emb_logo

This particular thread is a microcosm of what’s wrong with this country
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There is a sort of insanity to what is being done to make it difficult for "right wingers" to publicly speak their version. Check out the first twenty minutes of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8wMRBoQH88

There is a sort of insanity to what is being done to make it difficult for "right wingers" to publicly speak their version. Check out the first twenty minutes of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8wMRBoQH88

Alternate facts are a buuuuuuitch
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Alternate facts are a buuuuuuitch
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How do you resolve the difference between alternate facts? Separate? Or find a common ground? I don't see the common ground between the Progressive agenda and the constitutional order. It's been a discussion I have tried to start. No one seems to want to participate. Do you?

got this from my kid's high school superintendent...

"tips on how to talk to your child about what happened in Washington"

You can also use this as a teachable moment to help older kids and teens develop critical-thinking and media literacy skills as they witness this historic moment.

The differences between how pro-Trump protestors and how Black and Brown protestors are treated by police and described in the media can exacerbate feelings of inequality. It's important to acknowledge these triggers and give everyone the space they need to express their feelings.

Which words are journalists or social media influencers using to talk about the situation or the people involved? Do you think they would use different words if the rioters were Black, Latinx, or Muslim?

How was the police response and the news coverage different from the Black Lives Matter protests?

What differences do you see in the way the media is talking about the situation compared to the Black Lives Matter protests? Do they use different words to refer to this event and the people involved?

I don't remember the superintendent sending any letters out over the last year tell us how to talk(what to think) to our kids about the violence and destruction going on around the country by leftist groups...and there was plenty of material there.....

UMass Memorial employee who 'may have been involved' in violence at Capitol loses job

UMass Memorial Health Care said an employee who "may have been involved" in the violence in Washington on Wednesday is no "longer part of our organization."

The hospital released a statement Friday via Twitter, saying they learned one their employees could have been involved in the violence at the Capitol.


wow...if they weren't do they get their job back?

UMass Memorial employee who 'may have been involved' in violence at Capitol loses job

UMass Memorial Health Care said an employee who "may have been involved" in the violence in Washington on Wednesday is no "longer part of our organization."

The hospital released a statement Friday via Twitter, saying they learned one their employees could have been involved in the violence at the Capitol.


wow...if they weren't do they get their job back?

If they don’t have proof that person acted criminally, then that’s a dumb move and likely grounds for legal action.

If they don’t have proof that person acted criminally, then that’s a dumb move and likely grounds for legal action.


wait....I've barely left my house for the last week because I've had a lot of work to do...I've never voted for trump, never been to a trump rally and don't really like him just think he's better than bidenpeolsischumer....

but you told me I'm a "traitor by association"....

"Your guy is a traitor attempting a coup, you by association are the same" signed Got Stripers

I am old enough to remember the anti-anti-Trumpers who decided they were being forced to support the president because of the radicalism of Democrats and their associated mobs. Are you?
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Trumps melt down is in high gear, he hasn’t called, talked to or met with Pence since the chamber was breached. Trump supporters heard find and hang Pence, no call to ask how are you doing my friend, oh forget friends are enemies quickly in Trump world. If only he could fire him in his closing weeks he could have his revenge.

No recount, no Twitter, potentially making history by being impeached twice, cold shoulder for Pence and he will pout in the residence during inauguration if he makes it that far.

So what are the odds that he will actually pull a Nixon and smartly resign so Pence can pardon him.

This is not playing out the way elected GOP thought or hoped. Smart ones will start throwing Trump under the bus now.
One could argue that members of his administration and enablers are at least complicit in aiding & abetting rebellion, insurrection, treason, vandalism...2nd degree murder & involuntary manslaughter. There must be consequences.
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He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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Joe Biden is being pushed to support impeaching Trump because of far left forces including Chris Christie, the WSJ, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Senator Toomey, etc
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Joe Biden is being pushed to support impeaching Trump because of far left forces including Chris Christie, the WSJ, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Senator Toomey, etc
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All antifa
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One could argue that members of his administration and enablers are at least complicit in aiding & abetting rebellion, insurrection, treason, vandalism...2nd degree murder & involuntary manslaughter.

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one could argue that all of us are enablers and at least complicit in your insanity....

you and Got Traitors should start a consulting company hunting down enemies of the state through the internets....

Silly Troll, you need to learn how to quote.
Are you spending your time looking for Tweety’s missing votes?

“This is not playing out the way elected GOP thought or hoped. Smart ones will start throwing Trump under the bus now.
One could argue that members of his administration and enablers are at least complicit in aiding & abetting rebellion, insurrection, treason, vandalism...2nd degree murder & involuntary manslaughter. There must be consequences.”
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All antifa
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a sincere question for you, not a gotcha questions...

what is the worst language that trump used in DC? is it calling for conservatives to “fight”, which is language that all politicians use these days? or is it his continued aims that the election was stolen? that’s a sincere question.
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"People took him literally. I never thought I'd see that," former White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said about the domestic terrorist attack on Meet the Press.

Isn’t the implication here that “Everyone who worked for him knew he was a serial liar and we’re surprised his voters weren’t in on the joke.” That’s not what they were telling us the last four years.
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Twitter is not the real world. It is a corporate left leaning authoritarian tool. It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler. Facebook likewise to Rumble. Unless . . . "In a letter to the developers of Parler, Apple said it will pull the app in 24 hours if it does not get a plan to moderate the service more" . . . censorious crony corporate authoritarianism on the rise

Thought control. Language control. Mind control. The so-called American Experiment is in serious decline.

By now, you may have heard of the hacker who says she scraped 99 percent of posts from Parler, the Twitter-wannabe site used by Trump supporters to help organize last Wednesday’s violent insurrection on Capitol Hill. What you may not know yet is the abysmal coding and security that made the scraping so easy.

To recap, the scraping was pulled off by a hacker who goes by the handle donk_enby. She originally set out to archive content posted to Parler last Wednesday in hopes of preserving self-incriminating material before account holders came to their senses and deleted it. By Sunday, donk_enby said she had collected roughly 80 terabytes of posts, including more than 1 million videos, many of which contained the GPS metadata identifying the exact locations of where the videos were shot.

“For the journalists DMing me to ask, in non-technical terms, I'd describe the current Parler archival situation as ‘a bunch of people running into a burning building trying to grab as many things as we can,’” donk_enby wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Things will be available in a more accessible form later.”

The reason for urgency: Amazon, Apple, and Google all informed Parler that its lack of content moderation violated their terms of service. The archivists wanted to obtain the posts while the site remained online. But as it turned out, donk_enby was able to retrieve posts even after they had been deleted.

Coding mess
A key reason for her success: Parler’s site was a mess. Its public API used no authentication. When users deleted their posts, the site failed to remove the content and instead only added a delete flag to it. Oh, and each post carried a numerical ID that was incremented from the ID of the most recently published one.

The rookie code made it easy to automate the scraping, as this script—used by donk_enby’s archival team—demonstrates. As a result, massive numbers of posts that discussed the insurrection before, during, and after it was carried out will be preserved indefinitely so that they’re available to researchers, journalists, prosecutors, and others.

Another amateur mistake was Parler’s failure to scrub geolocations from images and videos posted online. Sites like Twitter and Google routinely remove such metadata from content posted by their users. The video files hosted on Parler, by contrast, were “raw,” meaning they still contained this information.

Parler’s moderation policies—even more lax than those of Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube—already made the site popular with far-right users looking for a forum to discuss debunked conspiracy theories. With Twitter permanently banning Trump, the president’s supporters embraced the site even more enthusiastically.

Prosecutors are already pursuing more than 150 suspects in Wednesday’s riot. The preservation of some 80TB of Parler posts, including more than 1 million raw video files, may result in more people being charged.

a sincere question for you, not a gotcha questions...

what is the worst language that trump used in DC? is it calling for conservatives to “fight”, which is language that all politicians use these days? or is it his continued aims that the election was stolen? that’s a sincere question.
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i’ll ask again, what was the language that trump used, which a reasonable person would
infer, was responsible for the rally turning into a riot?

did he say “ go storm the capital”?

i rember obama saying democrats would bring a gun to the fight, that sure didn’t trigger any condemnation.

Chris Cuomo said on the air this summer, “show me where it says protests are supposed to be peaceful.”.
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By now, you may have heard of the hacker who says she scraped 99 percent of posts from Parler, the Twitter-wannabe site used by Trump supporters to help organize last Wednesday’s violent insurrection on Capitol Hill. What you may not know yet is the abysmal coding and security that made the scraping so easy.

To recap, the scraping was pulled off by a hacker who goes by the handle donk_enby. She originally set out to archive content posted to Parler last Wednesday in hopes of preserving self-incriminating material before account holders came to their senses and deleted it. By Sunday, donk_enby said she had collected roughly 80 terabytes of posts, including more than 1 million videos, many of which contained the GPS metadata identifying the exact locations of where the videos were shot.

“For the journalists DMing me to ask, in non-technical terms, I'd describe the current Parler archival situation as ‘a bunch of people running into a burning building trying to grab as many things as we can,’” donk_enby wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Things will be available in a more accessible form later.”

The reason for urgency: Amazon, Apple, and Google all informed Parler that its lack of content moderation violated their terms of service. The archivists wanted to obtain the posts while the site remained online. But as it turned out, donk_enby was able to retrieve posts even after they had been deleted.

Coding mess
A key reason for her success: Parler’s site was a mess. Its public API used no authentication. When users deleted their posts, the site failed to remove the content and instead only added a delete flag to it. Oh, and each post carried a numerical ID that was incremented from the ID of the most recently published one.

The rookie code made it easy to automate the scraping, as this script—used by donk_enby’s archival team—demonstrates. As a result, massive numbers of posts that discussed the insurrection before, during, and after it was carried out will be preserved indefinitely so that they’re available to researchers, journalists, prosecutors, and others.

Another amateur mistake was Parler’s failure to scrub geolocations from images and videos posted online. Sites like Twitter and Google routinely remove such metadata from content posted by their users. The video files hosted on Parler, by contrast, were “raw,” meaning they still contained this information.

Parler’s moderation policies—even more lax than those of Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube—already made the site popular with far-right users looking for a forum to discuss debunked conspiracy theories. With Twitter permanently banning Trump, the president’s supporters embraced the site even more enthusiastically.

Prosecutors are already pursuing more than 150 suspects in Wednesday’s riot. The preservation of some 80TB of Parler posts, including more than 1 million raw video files, may result in more people being charged.

This really doesn't address what Detbuch was talking about.

From what I gather He is talking about Big Tech using its influence to censor content, manipulate the conversation, and stifle any competition that doesn't adhere to it's "Group Think".

All you posted was how crappy Parlers developers were. Nothing really to do in response to his concerns.
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This really doesn't address what Detbuch was talking about.

From what I gather He is talking about Big Tech using its influence to censor content, manipulate the conversation, and stifle any competition that doesn't adhere to it's "Group Think".

All you posted was how crappy Parlers developers were. Nothing really to do in response to his concerns.
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Detbuch claimed "It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler."

If your product sucks and is dangerous, then buyer beware.

Telegram says it had 25M new signups in the last 72 hours.

He's plenty willing to attempt to censor anyone who disagrees with him or rebuts his lies.

Did Apple and Google refuse to make it available because the Code sucked, or because they needed to make changes in their allowed content?

If they put out a crappy product, then they will fail on their own.
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There's always a tweet

Sep 15, 2017 05:48:18 AM
Loser terrorists must be dealt with in a much tougher manner. The internet is their main recruitment tool which we must cut off & use better! [Twitter for iPhone]

And somehow it's always related to.....The Russian chat app Telegram

Did Apple and Google refuse to make it available because the Code sucked, or because they needed to make changes in their allowed content?

If they put out a crappy product, then they will fail on their own.
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I haven’t read up on it but do have experience with clients trying to get apps approved in the app stores. Apple is very restrictive compared to Android. They are much more concerned with brand equity and if an app because of bad tech or other issues is a problem they’ll take action. Likely with Parlor they were holding their nose but both factors just blew up.
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Detbuch claimed "It will begin to lose market to new formed competitors such as Parler."


You left out the next sentence: Unless . . . "In a letter to the developers of Parler, Apple said it will pull the app in 24 hours if it does not get a plan to moderate the service more" . . . censorious crony corporate authoritarianism on the rise."

By now, you may have heard of the hacker who says she scraped 99 percent of posts from Parler, the Twitter-wannabe site used by Trump supporters to help organize last Wednesday’s violent insurrection on Capitol Hill. What you may not know yet is the abysmal coding and security that made the scraping so easy.

To recap, the scraping was pulled off by a hacker who goes by the handle donk_enby. She originally set out to archive content posted to Parler last Wednesday in hopes of preserving self-incriminating material before account holders came to their senses and deleted it. By Sunday, donk_enby said she had collected roughly 80 terabytes of posts, including more than 1 million videos, many of which contained the GPS metadata identifying the exact locations of where the videos were shot.

“For the journalists DMing me to ask, in non-technical terms, I'd describe the current Parler archival situation as ‘a bunch of people running into a burning building trying to grab as many things as we can,’” donk_enby wrote on Twitter on Sunday. “Things will be available in a more accessible form later.”

The reason for urgency: Amazon, Apple, and Google all informed Parler that its lack of content moderation violated their terms of service. The archivists wanted to obtain the posts while the site remained online. But as it turned out, donk_enby was able to retrieve posts even after they had been deleted.

Coding mess
A key reason for her success: Parler’s site was a mess. Its public API used no authentication. When users deleted their posts, the site failed to remove the content and instead only added a delete flag to it. Oh, and each post carried a numerical ID that was incremented from the ID of the most recently published one.

The rookie code made it easy to automate the scraping, as this script—used by donk_enby’s archival team—demonstrates. As a result, massive numbers of posts that discussed the insurrection before, during, and after it was carried out will be preserved indefinitely so that they’re available to researchers, journalists, prosecutors, and others.

Another amateur mistake was Parler’s failure to scrub geolocations from images and videos posted online. Sites like Twitter and Google routinely remove such metadata from content posted by their users. The video files hosted on Parler, by contrast, were “raw,” meaning they still contained this information.

Parler’s moderation policies—even more lax than those of Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube—already made the site popular with far-right users looking for a forum to discuss debunked conspiracy theories. With Twitter permanently banning Trump, the president’s supporters embraced the site even more enthusiastically.

Prosecutors are already pursuing more than 150 suspects in Wednesday’s riot. The preservation of some 80TB of Parler posts, including more than 1 million raw video files, may result in more people being charged.

Sounds like Parler's crappiness will help catch some bad guys. That's a good thing. I suspect that in time Parler would fix the crappiness. Did Twitter get it all right immediately. Parler was number one on Apple's app at the time--making lots of money for them. You don't think there was any political bias involved in the deplatforming? You claim that a total shutdown of Trumpism was necessary, including, I assume, socia media accounts. Your reasoning was not because of technical glitches in a platform.

Do you approve of crony monopolies?

You left out the next sentence: Unless . . . "In a letter to the developers of Parler, Apple said it will pull the app in 24 hours if it does not get a plan to moderate the service more" . . . censorious crony corporate authoritarianism on the rise."

Didn’t Tweety want to restrict or change 230?
What effect on freedom would that have?
Or do you want government control on just the businesses you have political issues with?
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Didn’t Tweety want to restrict or change 230?
What effect on freedom would that have?
Or do you want government control on just the businesses you have political issues with?


What Trump said, especially now, is irrelevant. 230 is irrelevant. 230 was supposed to let platforms allow free speech, not restricted speech. If platforms are allowed to act as publishers, 230 is a meaningless bunch of words anyway. Lack of access is the problem. Lack of competition is the problem. Lack of freedom in the market is the problem.

That lack of Freedom is facilitated by ignorant or corrupt corporate media and politicians who spread the fear of free speech and create an aura of panic in the public if certain people or ideas are allowed to be expressed--especially, now, fears of imminent attacks by "right wing" terrorists. Seems to me that if on open platforms such terrorists talk about starting riots, they are exposing themselves, which is a good thing. And if they are not allowed on these platforms, they will still plan attacks, more secretly.

But they are, apparently, not the problem. The millions of people who are not terrorists, and don't want any part of rioting or sedition of any kind, are made to be the problem. They are not to be allowed to say things they believe because they would "trigger" folks who have bad intentions to do bad things. If the trillionaire big tech giants can pay off the right politicians, i.e. the ones with the power, or cultivate politicians with big campaign contributions, they can stave off anti-trust, monopoly busting legislation. And so, can make competition less effective. Can more easily control the market.

It's OK with big tech if politicians make a show of it. Bluster about the problem of big tech control. Set up committees to investigate. So long as they don't do anything about it. Healthy campaign contributions can keep it that way. And, in return, political demagoguery about certain speech is the payoff--making it viable to shut down a competing platform, such as Parler, that allows that certain speech And it enables the pols to appear that their hands are tied because of the threat of dangerous speech. Otherwise,--we can be damned sure!--they'd fix it. But they're working on it. Be patient and keep voting for us.

So which speech is the culprit? Depends on whose being paid off. And on the ideological persuasion of the oligarchs. If their persuasion is Progressive, overly aggressive pro-conservative speech might be "dangerous" because it might trigger right wing riots. If their persuasion is "right wing," highly assertive leftist speech might trigger left wing terrorists. I'm oversimplifying it, but that's the drift.

In any event, free speech, diversity of ideas, which run afoul of a current political and social correctness will be stifled and erased by our increasingly more authoritarian, fascistic, crony-capitalist form of Progressive/socialist governance.

Don’t worry too much, the liberals will waste too much energy fighting among themselves to accomplish the things you fear.
What’s left of the right will also without a strong politician to guide them. McConnells accomplished everything he can and in his 80s will retire.
Pelosi too
The next ten years will be interesting
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Don’t worry too much, the liberals will waste too much energy fighting among themselves to accomplish the things you fear.
What’s left of the right will also without a strong politician to guide them. McConnells accomplished everything he can and in his 80s will retire.
Pelosi too
The next ten years will be interesting
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Don't have to worry about big tech monopoly being accomplished, that has already been done. Looking forward to young folks realizing that freedom is better. If it's possible.

The Constitution will be a cipher. AI is expected to destroy huge numbers of jobs. The dreaded "income inequality" gap will expand. The current control freaks are accentuating the destruction of a predominant "middle class."

Hopefully, the young'uns can figure it out without a bloody revolution. This current crop of "leaders" only seem to understand the benefits of top down government. They create an economic and educational system that breeds a mass of incompetents who require government aid to survive. And machines will replace the low skilled jobs and eventually, not much later, the middle class jobs.

People will have to relearn old-fashioned self reliance in order to have the ability to create better individual lives for themselves or else remain on some dole. Or be eliminated . . . or worse. But our societal mores have deteriorated into dreamy notions of government enforced equity and "social justice." We don't preach the old work ethic, nor really desire the freedom to create our own destiny. Our boots no longer have straps. The China model may gain ascendance. Especially if we continue to allow our big tech symbiosis with China's cheap labor and our overall economy to continue to depend on the stuff we shipped off to their production.

Yeah, the China model. They brag about it. They say their showing the world that it is best. And that the old US model sucks. Yeah, they're hustling rings around us and most of the rest of the world. They are predicted to soon surpass us in AI technology, and our big tech and Silicon Valley oligarchs don't seem concerned enough about us enough to pull away from their profitable Chinese investment. But don't look behind the curtain. China has a different, unpleasant, way of dealing with income inequality, joblessness, and folks that don't do as they're told. And those that pose cultural disharmony or government threatening differences, may well face a life of some form of internment from prison to concentration camps where the healthier ones can face the joy of having their organs harvested to be sold to wealthier folks around the world, including in China.

If we don't free up our own economy to bust out from the control of the big corporations in bed with big government regulation, if we continue and expand the oligarchical model, we could slide into some form of the China model, or become a part of it. Then Trump will look like a Pilgrim's Jesus.

Of course, that could never happen . . . right? Probably not. We would probably have a revolution first, then decide all over again how to live with one another. If we continue to exist as one nation.

what is insane is to listen to these reporters cackle about how violent and dangerous this is as they continue to show live footage of people just wandering around...

no smoke, no flames, no spray paint, no Molotov cocktails, no people being beaten, nobody screaming at the police or throwing things at them that I've seen...
Ok, sure, whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVOPWrFfW4

I haven’t read up on it but do have experience with clients trying to get apps approved in the app stores. Apple is very restrictive compared to Android. They are much more concerned with brand equity and if an app because of bad tech or other issues is a problem they’ll take action. Likely with Parlor they were holding their nose but both factors just blew up.
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Absolutely correct Jeff. When we were developing the first mobile banking app, Apple made us jump through hoops before we got approved for the app store. Android, and specifically Google just said "sure, whatever.

Turn on the news.

The call is coming from inside the House.
Of the 139 House GOP who voted to overturn the 2020 Election AFTER the violent attack on the Capitol January 6th, 118 were reelected to the 118th Congress as House members.
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what is insane is to listen to these reporters cackle about how violent and dangerous this is as they continue to show live footage of people just wandering around...

no smoke, no flames, no spray paint, no Molotov cocktails, no people being beaten, nobody screaming at the police or throwing things at them that I've seen...

This aged like a fine wine. :hf1:

This aged like a fine wine. :hf1:

Now that's funny, some 300+ convictions of those mostly peaceful protesters, many doing some hard time and the DOJ is probably only halfway home. Scott's crystal ball needs a new battery, I think he predicted a giant red wave too, some see into the future and others never learn from the past.

All the Jan6th and the Insurrectionists deniers all have the same excuse even with all the available information most from Republicans themselves love to use this logic

If it didn’t succeed It didn’t HAPPEN!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/06/jan-6-prisoners-supporters/

Republicans trying to rewrite history, shocking
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House members gather to mark the second anniversary of January 6th

Only one Republican member was present. Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick.
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House members gather to mark the second anniversary of January 6th

Only one Republican member was present. Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick.
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For most of the GOP. It’s still just a Tour that went wrong. :deadhorse::faga: