Forbes published a piece, warning any company that hires Trump senior officials, that every statement that company ever makes, will
be presumed to be a lie.

I was concerned with the extreme to which we’d pass liberal bills after this election. But i never thought we’d spend this much energy on reprisals. Forbes literally dared companies to hire these people.

This is unity and tolerance?Censorship and retribution?

It beats everything i’ve seen. It’s like the left is actually scared of having to put their TDS on a shelf, they’re going berserk with one final purge.

Again, Rockhound, I’d be fascinated with your take.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/au.finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/forbes-issues-sharp-warning-about-hiring-trump-officials-035518044.html?fbclid=IwAR2zfpjwZL7HhQGhQdJqCO7wkL TwUEKz_DEpFh04ap_HumgYh2V9w3gDshM

Now, Forbes is a left wing organization.

How about the list of political donors that will not provide funding for the Reps and Senators who backed Trumps attempt to steal the election.

Or the largest business organization in the country, U.S. CHAMBER'S DONOHUE SAYS TRUMP'S CONDUCT LAST WEEK "WAS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE AND COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLE

Here is the quote from your link. “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists... and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet,”

And I assume everyone understands they aren't talking about low level ees at Forbes or in the Trump admin.

So Forbes should just take on face value quotes from people who have lied repeatedly in the past w/o investigating the facts behind the quote?

Here is the quote from your link. “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists... and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet,”


And I assume everyone understands they aren't talking about low level ees at Forbes or in the Trump admin.

So Forbes should just take on face value quotes from people who have lied repeatedly in the past w/o investigating the facts behind the quote?

i’m sorry, was the Clinton administration a living embodiment of virtue? must be very very convenient, to engage in selective memory.

Hilary said very forcefully, hat Bill
wasn’t cheating on her, but rather he was being framed by republicans. she also said she came under sniper fire on a trip which was a BS claim. but she can work anywhere she wants?

Sarah Sanders is a pathological
liar? she’s told worse lies than saying she’s been under sniper fire?
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When all else fails, there's always "But Hillary"

Amazon removes QAnon merchandise from its marketplace.

i’m sorry, was the Clinton administration a living embodiment of virtue? must be very very convenient, to engage in selective memory. Seems like you have the selective memory. NO ADMINISTRATION has lied like this one.

Hilary said very forcefully, hat Bill
wasn’t cheating on her, but rather he was being framed by republicans. she also said she came under sniper fire on a trip which was a BS claim. but she can work anywhere she wants?

Sarah Sanders is a pathological
liar? she’s told worse lies than saying she’s been under sniper fire?
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Yes, Sarah Sanders is a pathological liar. You could not believe a word our of her mouth. Forbes ain't hiring Sarah Sanders. If you didn't lie repeatedly in the Trump admin. or stood there and shook your head yes when he lied, you have nothing to worry about.

A few of Sarah bigger lies:

•Denying knowledge of Trump’s in-office hush-money payoffs, despite the fact that Trump himself admitted to them;


•Claiming that Trump had created far more jobs for African Americans than Obama, when, in reality, Obama created four times as many as Trump;


•Insisting, with a straight face, that her boss had never “promoted or encouraged violence,” seemingly forgetting the time Trump told supporters at a rally, of a protester who’d been ejected, “I’d like to punch him in the face”; or the time he told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay. Just knock the hell—I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise”; or the time he openly fantasized about “Second Amendment people” preventing the appointment of liberal judges; or the time he instructed police officers to knock suspects’ heads against the side of their squad cars.


•Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault and claiming they are the liars;


•And, of course who could forget the time she created an elaborate yarn about how she’d heard from “countless…individuals who work at the FBI who said they were very happy” with Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, in an attempt to make the story that the firing was all about agency morale stick, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the Russia investigation. Which, of course, she admitted was a total lie during her interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. She subsequently doubled down, telling George Stephanopoulos that she only admitted to lying about hearing from “countless” people, before shifting the focus to Comey, who she described as a “disgraced leaker” and a “dirty cop.”

A few of Sarah bigger lies:

•Denying knowledge of Trump’s in-office hush-money payoffs, despite the fact that Trump himself admitted to them;


•Claiming that Trump had created far more jobs for African Americans than Obama, when, in reality, Obama created four times as many as Trump;


•Insisting, with a straight face, that her boss had never “promoted or encouraged violence,” seemingly forgetting the time Trump told supporters at a rally, of a protester who’d been ejected, “I’d like to punch him in the face”; or the time he told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay. Just knock the hell—I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise”; or the time he openly fantasized about “Second Amendment people” preventing the appointment of liberal judges; or the time he instructed police officers to knock suspects’ heads against the side of their squad cars.


•Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault and claiming they are the liars;


•And, of course who could forget the time she created an elaborate yarn about how she’d heard from “countless…individuals who work at the FBI who said they were very happy” with Trump’s decision to fire James Comey, in an attempt to make the story that the firing was all about agency morale stick, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the Russia investigation. Which, of course, she admitted was a total lie during her interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. She subsequently doubled down, telling George Stephanopoulos that she only admitted to lying about hearing from “countless” people, before shifting the focus to Comey, who she described as a “disgraced leaker” and a “dirty cop.”



Here's my favorite, you criticize Sanders for "Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault"

Yet Hilary, as First Lady, goes in front of the world, and refers to Bills accusers (and we KNOW that at least one of them was telling the truth) "narcissistic looney tunes". But you have no issue with that. None. Please explain.

Yeah, those are some serious principles you have there, Paul. Please, tell us what a tireless advocate Hilary is, for women.

Here's my favorite, you criticize Sanders for "Smearing the many, many women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault"

Yet Hilary, as First Lady, goes in front of the world, and refers to Bills accusers (and we KNOW that at least one of them was telling the truth) "narcissistic looney tunes". But you have no issue with that. None. Please explain.

Yeah, those are some serious principles you have there, Paul. Please, tell us what a tireless advocate Hilary is, for women.

You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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Trump and all his supporters involved in this breach of the capital deserve everything they have coming. If you aren’t watching all the video being released, then you don’t care how serious this was and how lucky more weren’t killed. Trump, his family and those inciting this mob deserve to be impeached, disbarred, sent packing from future federal office, criminally prosecuted,payback should be a bitch.

When all else fails, there's always "But Hillary"


Exactly - bring up the same couple quotes about Hillary or bring up the same quote from Biden over and over demonstrates how there's no equivalence between anyone else and the Trump administration.
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Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

Karma works in mysterious ways.
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Trump and all his supporters involved in this breach of the capital deserve everything they have coming. If you aren’t watching all the video being released, then you don’t care how serious this was and how lucky more weren’t killed. Trump, his family and those inciting this mob deserve to be impeached, disbarred, sent packing from future federal office, criminally prosecuted,payback should be a bitch.

Hey, if Trump plotted a violent coup, he deserves all that.

Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

Putin getting ready for a new relationship.

Now even Moscow Mitch has come out stating Trump committed impeachable offenses, so even one rattlesnake understands the venom the other snake is spewing is a danger to his power and coalition.

McConnell and Liz Cheney are saying there’s no question he committed an impeachable offense.
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You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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oh that wasn’t a cowardly dodge.

Paul: sarah sanders deserves to never work again, because she disparaged assault victims.

Jim: so did Hilary. why does she get a pass?

Paul: you make vile statements about women.

how about growing a pair, and answering the obvious question that a 6 year old would have asked you?
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You're the one supporting the most vile person we've ever had as a president and make the most vile statements about women ever so if you want to look for someone with no principles look in the mirror. No wonder people call you a misogynist on this board
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i don’t support his personal behavior any more than you do. i have said he’s the worst person to hold that office in our lifetime. he’s absolutely incapable of acting like a mature adult/.

here’s the difference. unlike you, i can admit the truth that his policies have been beneficial for the country.

i despise trump.
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i don’t support his personal behavior any more than you do. i have said he’s the worst person to hold that office in our lifetime. he’s absolutely incapable of acting like a mature adult/.

here’s the difference. unlike you, i can admit the truth that his policies have been beneficial for the country.

i despise trump.
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I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with.
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oh that wasn’t a cowardly dodge.

Paul: sarah sanders deserves to never work again, because she disparaged assault victims.

Jim: so did Hilary. why does she get a pass?

Paul: you make vile statements about women.

how about growing a pair, and answering the obvious question that a 6 year old would have asked you?
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I'm not sure you recognize that I didn't type those lies from Sanders, I just cut and paste them. You're the one who mentioned Hillary Clinton in a post that has nothing to do with her but rather is about Forbes and what they think will happen with the people who have sold their soul to Trump and his lies.

you are the one who brought up Sarah Sanders. What I said is Sarah Sanders is a habitual liar who has shown that she will say anything to defend Trump. So I view her constant lying as different than Hillary's infrequent lies or stupid statements where she later says she shouldn't have said something and apologizes. I don't view comparing someone's infrequent statements with someone's frequent statements the same.
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I'm not sure you recognize that I didn't type those lies from Sanders, I just cut and paste them. You're the one who mentioned Hillary Clinton in a post that has nothing to do with her but rather is about Forbes and what they think will happen with the people who have sold their soul to Trump and his lies.

you are the one who brought up Sarah Sanders. What I said is Sarah Sanders is a habitual liar who has shown that she will say anything to defend Trump. So I view her constant lying as different than Hillary's infrequent lies or stupid statements where she later says she shouldn't have said something and apologizes. I don't view comparing someone's infrequent statements with someone's frequent statements the same.
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for the third time, you criticized sanders for disparaging assault victims.

You are going to great lengths, to avoid acknowledging that hilary did the same exact thing. only one conceivable reason why...it’s ok when democrats do it.
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for the third time, you criticized sanders for disparaging assault victims.

You are going to great lengths, to avoid acknowledging that hilary did the same exact thing. only one conceivable reason why...it’s ok when democrats do it.
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I've always admitted she's done that. Every time I've discussed it with you. Some of it might have been she believed her husband. But the article was about Forbes and people in the Trump administration who lie constantly and have no credibility. And again there's no comparison between Hillary's lies and someone like Sarah Sanders and her lies. If you want to view that as defending Hillary so be it.
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McConnell and Liz Cheney are saying there’s no question he committed an impeachable offense.
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It’s so cowardly for them to say at this stage of Trumps term enough is enough, they could put up with all his BS for four years but not this week.

Trump's brand is destroyed forever. You cannot do business without any type of partners... When you think about the logo of Trump's business at this point, it's those people storming the Capitol"

Donny Deutsch

Sorry, I have no empathy
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Trump's brand is destroyed forever. You cannot do business without any type of partners... When you think about the logo of Trump's business at this point, it's those people storming the Capitol"

Donny Deutsch

Sorry, I have no empathy
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Ok then, let's move on.

I’m waiting for the Grand Jury
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I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with.
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"I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime"

Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done.

"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. It's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.

I don't know how to judge his presidency overall. His character is so completely flawed, I don't know the words to describe it. But his policies, were in my opinion very positive, and the Gallup poll supports that. But he got creamed in the election, which tells us with zero ambiguity that the same people who liked his policies, didn't want to deal with the baggage. You can't often say that a one-term presidency was a smashing success, and I won't make that claim with Trump, it would be silly to try.

"I think his economic policies have hurt the country"

You are in a very, very small minority who really think that. The only thing that didn't get much better was the debt, and he deserves criticism for that. By just about every single other measure, he improved the economy meaningfully, and moreso for minorities. That's one of the reasons that liberal elites hated him. For all their talk, he did more for blacks than any president in my lifetime, and it's not even close. No one comes close. Liberals have been saying for decades that the 1990s crime bill was racist (and authored by Joe Biden, but let's save that for another time). Obama had control of both houses of congress for much of his first 2 years, he easily could have reformed that crime bill. He didn't. It took Trump. And I hate what Trump did with crime reform, but its what liberals in general, and blacks in particular, have been asking for, for decades. No one chose to deliver, until Trump. Why is that?

Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

"I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime"

Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done.

"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. It's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.

I don't know how to judge his presidency overall. His character is so completely flawed, I don't know the words to describe it. But his policies, were in my opinion very positive, and the Gallup poll supports that. But he got creamed in the election, which tells us with zero ambiguity that the same people who liked his policies, didn't want to deal with the baggage. You can't often say that a one-term presidency was a smashing success, and I won't make that claim with Trump, it would be silly to try.

"I think his economic policies have hurt the country"

You are in a very, very small minority who really think that. The only thing that didn't get much better was the debt, and he deserves criticism for that. By just about every single other measure, he improved the economy meaningfully, and moreso for minorities. That's one of the reasons that liberal elites hated him. For all their talk, he did more for blacks than any president in my lifetime, and it's not even close. No one comes close. Liberals have been saying for decades that the 1990s crime bill was racist (and authored by Joe Biden, but let's save that for another time). Obama had control of both houses of congress for much of his first 2 years, he easily could have reformed that crime bill. He didn't. It took Trump. And I hate what Trump did with crime reform, but its what liberals in general, and blacks in particular, have been asking for, for decades. No one chose to deliver, until Trump. Why is that?

Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

Jim are you really stating the extremely small sampling the Gallup poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans? Please stop suggesting we refuse to acknowledge the good things Trump has done, the simple truth is many, myself included, don’t see them as good. But hang in there, your defense ordeal is almost over, a vacation for your efforts is days away.

I've always admitted she's done that. Every time I've discussed it with you. Some of it might have been she believed her husband. But the article was about Forbes and people in the Trump administration who lie constantly and have no credibility. And again there's no comparison between Hillary's lies and someone like Sarah Sanders and her lies. If you want to view that as defending Hillary so be it.
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Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done. That is exactly the opposite of what I said it did/do. My quote was: "I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with."


"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. That is exactly the opposite of what I said it did/doIt's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.What do his polling #s show now?


Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

Seems like you missed the top comment I made. Plus you are the one who brought both Hillary and Sanders into a thread that had nothing to do with them.

You recycle the same old things (repeatedly) about the Dems. bc you have so few and try to compare those few things to the 0,000s that Trump does and try to say there are the same.

Hillary - Deplorables, insulted assault victims, sniper fire
Obama - Guns
Biden - If you vote for Trump you ain't black, they'll put you in chains.

are you really stating the extremely small sampling the XYZ poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans?



nobody ever does this :jester:

nobody ever does this :jester:

where have you been? Did you go tarpon fishing again?

where have you been? Did you go tarpon fishing again?

soon...you are more than welcome to join me for a few days...:kewl:

Jim are you really stating the extremely small sampling the Gallup poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans? Please stop suggesting we refuse to acknowledge the good things Trump has done, the simple truth is many, myself included, don’t see them as good. But hang in there, your defense ordeal is almost over, a vacation for your efforts is days away.

ok. so al of a sudden, you have reason to suspect their science is flawed. it may well be, but Gallup has been around for awhile, and i don’t recall you being skeptical. or are you only skeptical of polls you disagree with.

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
soaring stock market
criminal justice reform
energy independence
peace accords in middle east
increased funding for black colleges
routing ISIS
no kids dying in questionable wars
very pro Israel

now, that’s not a comprehensive list of results, it’s only a list of what I’d call positive results. he had some big failures, did nothing to expand healthcare to the poor, etc. it also completely ignores his personality.

but when i look at that list, and i see a poll that says 56% of americans feel those things , altogether, improved their lives, i’m not sure
my reaction is to be doubtful. i would doubt that many americans would respond favorably to those things.

Do you?

if anyone else had accomplished these things, how different would the conversation be? and again, that doesn’t mean i think we should ignore his ethics, he absolutely should be measured by that as well.

But the democrats here seem completely unable
to ever talk about anything other than his horrible personality. that’s part of his presidency, but is it literally all there is? i don’t think it’s honest to ignore the good. When i say that, you guys tend to respond as if i’m saying ignore the bad, and i’ve never said that.
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ok. so al of a sudden, you have reason to suspect their science is flawed. it may well be, but Gallup has been around for awhile, and i don’t recall you being skeptical. or are you only skeptical of polls you disagree with.

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
soaring stock market
criminal justice reform
energy independence
peace accords in middle east
increased funding for black colleges
routing ISIS
no kids dying in questionable wars
very pro Israel

now, that’s not a comprehensive list of results, it’s only a list of what I’d call positive results. he had some big failures, did nothing to expand healthcare to the poor, etc. it also completely ignores his personality.

but when i look at that list, and i see a poll that says 56% of americans feel those things , altogether, improved their lives, i’m not sure
my reaction is to be doubtful. i would doubt that many americans would respond favorably to those things.

Do you?

if anyone else had accomplished these things, how different would the conversation be? and again, that doesn’t mean i think we should ignore his ethics, he absolutely should be measured by that as well.

But the democrats here seem completely unable
to ever talk about anything other than his horrible personality. that’s part of his presidency, but is it literally all there is? i don’t think it’s honest to ignore the good. When i say that, you guys tend to respond as if i’m saying ignore the bad, and i’ve never said that.
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After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

before the deaths at the capital i would have said well worth it. i still
think it was.

Obama left the democrats holding fewer elected positions than any time since the civil war. was he worth it? did you ever ask that question ( no, you didn’t).

If the democrats give voting rights to illegals, poof, TX is blue and you won’t see a republican president for decades at least. i dont know why they wouldn’t do that. i don’t know f joe manchin is committed to stopping them.

if they don’t do that, all the gop needs to do is run someone who will
deliver Trump-like policies without the immense personal baggage.

Make no mistake, 2020 was a complete disaster for the GOP. But they’re way better off then they were at this point in 2009 when obama
had a much larger majority in the house and a filibuster proof
majority in the senate. and the gop came roaring back from that.

which is exactly why i can’t see why they wouldn’t secure voting rights for illegals.
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You just have to watch the House Republicans defending Tweety today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUG9VzHoEoc

After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

After three years of Trump (can't call him Tweety anymore--been lifetime banned from it) what you said is mostly false. That fourth year saw the whole world become sicker and poorer (not sure about China, but nobody can be sure that what China says is true). Putting the sicker and poorer on Trump is not honest. We would have been poorer and sicker under any other President given the pandemic.

Being divided is a two way highway. One side is not the sole problem. Pointing fingers at the other guy doesn't solve it. The division has been growing for a long while. Remember the divide between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street? Couldn't get more divided than that. The aftermath of those two movements morphed into the current parties. If you don't think the likes of Ocasio, Rashida, Ilhan, and the rise of the social justice/Post Modern/and Socialist elements in the Democrat Party are not equal partners in the division between them and traditionalist, "conservative" America, and prefer to put the blame on Trump, I, even further than usual, question your honesty, as well as your ability to think rationally, logically, or with some common sense.

You are, obviously, very intelligent. But you betray that by abandoning total honesty and using divisive, deceitful rhetoric. I understand the use of the rhetorical version of scorched earth in order to totally defeat an ideological or political opponent. But that is war, not honest dialog. Winning a war does not necessarily make a country, or a party, or a person, just, wise truthful, and good. It does not make you right in the battleground of ideas. It can lead to the opposite of all that is good. Many evil people and regimes have won wars and created misery and oppression.

If you are seen as tricky, deceitful, in dialog, your opinions are not trusted. You are far more likely persuade those who disagree with you if your argument is rigorously honest. Ranting, raving, and demagoguery is more likely to divide us than unite us.

History judges on the whole of a persons performance.

The divide is like between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street?
One a powerful part of a major party and the other a splinter group?

Yes, Occupy Wall Street is like the left wing of the democratic party, but the Trumplican Cult is far to the right of most Americans.

Few people see Nixon as having a good record, well then again you wouldn't be happy with his successes anyways.

Ten republicans voted yes and Trump has no social media account to spew his hate for them, it’s going to be a rough night in the residence.

History judges on the whole of a persons performance.

Is history already judging? Are you a historian in judgement? What particular history are you referring to? Henry Ford said "History is more or less bunk."

I think he was partially right. Depends on how accurate and truthful it is.

Pure history doesn't judge. It records. If history is of any use to us other than some sort of academic pleasure, if it is used as a tool in making general or particular judgments on how to live in the present, then the more accurate, the more truthful it is, the more valuable it is.

What we say today is only useful to the future if it is true. So it behooves us to make accurate, truthful, arguments and reports. Commentary that is speculative, conjectural, rather than factual, can mislead those in the future who depend on the record of what we say today. And that can lead to false judgments and failed societies who read them as truth.

The divide is like between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street?

I didn't say that. I mentioned it as an example of the major division that was already brewing well before Trump. In my opinion, Trump is a result of our huge divide, not the cause of it.

One a powerful part of a major party and the other a splinter group?

They were developing trends. They were indicators of which direction the parties were going. Of what message either party would use to give the base a choice. Many establishment Republicans were afraid of the Tea Party, considered it a splinter group of sorts, and helped to eventually marginalize it. Especially after it helped them to win elections, they pretty much abandoned anything to do with it.

Yes, Occupy Wall Street is like the left wing of the democratic party, but the Trumplican Cult is far to the right of most Americans.

Few people see Nixon as having a good record, well then again you wouldn't be happy with his successes anyways.

Trump won in 2016 and reportedly got 74 million votes in 2020. That's a pretty huge "cult." And he doesn't seem to be far right, whatever that is. How many times does he have to condemn white supremacy, if that's what you mean by far right. He got a greater percentage of Black and Latino votes than many previous Republican Presidents.

You're deep into labeling and branding. To me that's an escape from fact to metaphor. Not very useful, other than to smear and deceitfully win political war.

And Nixon was quite Progressive, whatever that's worth. Nixon is refried political leftovers. Feast on him as much as you want. Not interested at this time.

How many times does he have to condemn white supremacy .

Easy answer, every time he is asked to do so, especially since it’s now well documented by the FBI and all intelligence agencies, white supremacy lead domestic terrorist attacks are this nations biggest threat, not the radical international terrorists.

Easy answer, every time he is asked to do so, especially since it’s now well documented by the FBI and all intelligence agencies, white supremacy lead domestic terrorist attacks are this nations biggest threat, not the radical international terrorists.

Oh, you mean that he may have changed his mind. Should we check in with him every week or so to make sure he hasn't changed his mind? How often should we ask Biden if he condemns Antifa?

What and who does white supremacy lead? And by how much? And what is the actual number and frequency of the attacks? Does the FBI mean, by "lead," that there are actually other terrorists? Should we not be concerned about there threat because they don't have the lead?

Oh, you mean that he may have changed his mind. Should we check in with him every week or so to make sure he hasn't changed his mind? How often should we ask Biden if he condemns Antifa?

What and who does white supremacy lead? And by how much? And what is the actual number and frequency of the attacks? Does the FBI mean, by "lead," that there are actually other terrorists? Should we not be concerned about there threat because they don't have the lead?

You must be living in a bubble, I guess you think the organizers of the capital breach were normal every day run of the mill republicans, just looking to exercise their peaceful right to protest.

You must be living in a bubble, I guess you think the organizers of the capital breach were normal every day run of the mill republicans, just looking to exercise their peaceful right to protest.

Nope. Don't think that. Never said that or anything like that. The rioters should be prosecuted. What did I say to evoke this response from you?

Nope. Don't think that. Never said that or anything like that. The rioters should be prosecuted. What did I say to evoke this response from you?

Don’t hold your breath waiting for a sensible response.
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You must be living in a bubble, I guess you think the organizers of the capital breach were normal every day run of the mill republicans, just looking to exercise their peaceful right to protest.

i’d also like to know what he said here, that could possibly lead you to that conclusion.
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no rest for the bitter left :hihi:

From the notorious left wing rag

The public warnings that law enforcement missed before Capitol riots

White nationalists, private militias had openly described plans

DHS official tells me:

“It was no different than Charlottesville...We were caught with our pants down.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/extremists-in-capitol-riots-had-histories-of-violent-rhetoric-and-threats-11610639781?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter

Pete, you might have some company. Looks like Republicans are trying to cancel Chaney.
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UPDATE: "ANTIFA" ARRESTS SINCE JAN. 6 REMAIN far closer to ZERO
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UPDATE: "ANTIFA" ARRESTS SINCE JAN. 6 REMAIN ZERO
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John Sullivan

ironically the founder of the civil rights group "Insurgence USA"

well known blm/antifa punk

John Sullivan was arrested and charged on January 14th, according to the Department of Justice, with “one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, and one count of interfering with law enforcement engaged in the lawful performance of their official duties incident to and during the commission of civil disorder.”

"9 in 10 Americans oppose the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, seven in 10 say Donald Trump bears at least some responsibility for it and a majority in a new ABC/WaPo poll – 56% – favors efforts in Congress to bar him from holding elected office again."
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oh good...meaningless snapshot polls from corrupt news organizations:rolleyes:

oh good...meaningless snapshot polls from corrupt news organizations:rolleyes:

Quiet, don’t tell Jim snapshot polls are meaningless.

Quiet, don’t tell Jim snapshot polls are meaningless.

🤦
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Quiet, don’t tell Jim snapshot polls are meaningless.

I think you did...perhaps you should inform pete as well....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Traitors View Post

"are you really stating the extremely small sampling the XYZ poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans?"


it's funny how many things sail right over your head...

I didn’t think I had to quote him for people to get it.
You proved that I was correct
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I didn’t think I had to quote him for people to get it.
You proved that I was correct
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correct about what pete? you are off to a slow start...

hey pete...let's not skip over what you were wrong about...I think it's fair to wonder how John Sullivan was able to get all the way into the Capitol building amongst all of those violent and angry racists ....apparently unscathed....:rollem:

I think you did...perhaps you should inform pete as well....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Traitors View Post

"are you really stating the extremely small sampling the XYZ poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans?"


it's funny how many things sail right over your head...

Wow thanks captain obvious for pointing out something I was aware I posted, but thanks for reinforcing my jab at Jim.

Wow thanks captain obvious for pointing out something I was aware I posted, but thanks for reinforcing my jab at Jim.

more like a pinch from a girl.

if snapshot polls are meaningless, what’s your take on a presidential
impeachment vote in the house, done in a couple of hours? you’re ok with snap impeachment it seems. were there any hearings, any testimony, any interviews with those who were arrested?

forget the poll ( which is what you do to poll you don’t like). look at this list ( a selective list of his good accomplishments, it’s not everything you need to know about the last 4 years), and tell me why people wouldn’t conclude these things improved their lives?

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
stock market records
increases in median incomes
isis routed
no involvement in questionable
conflicts
increased funding for black colleges
school choice
creation of economic opportunity zones in urban areas
criminal justice reform
making america energy independent
peace progress in the middle east
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more like a pinch from a girl.

if snapshot polls are meaningless, what’s your take on a presidential
impeachment vote in the house, done in a couple of hours? you’re ok with snap impeachment it seems. were there any hearings, any testimony, any interviews with those who were arrested?

forget the poll ( which is what you do to poll you don’t like). look at this list ( a selective list of his good accomplishments, it’s not everything you need to know about the last 4 years), and tell me why people wouldn’t conclude these things improved their lives?

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
stock market records
increases in median incomes
isis routed
no involvement in questionable
conflicts
increased funding for black colleges
school choice
creation of economic opportunity zones in urban areas
criminal justice reform
making america energy independent
peace progress in the middle east
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Boy when you get your needle stuck it’s epic, going to have fun for four years of whataboutism and lists oh boy.

Boy when you get your needle stuck it’s epic, going to have fun for four years of whataboutism and lists oh boy.

so like most liberals, when backed into a corner, instead of admitting the possibility that i have a point, you lob baseless insults.

GS, i’m not rooting against biden. 4 years from now, i hope i’m saying he did more to improve my life, than Trump. I’m not expecting it, but i hope it.

In the meantime, he’s inadvertently helping me. This summer, when i was convinced biden was going to win, i tried to figure out how i could benefit from that. i figured a biden presidency would be good for china, and bad for us oil. so i dug deeper, and tried to figure out what that might mean, and i figured at some point, businesses that get a lot of help or revenue from china will do well, and businesses that benefit from an increase in the price of oil will do well. so i bought Tesla and Exxon Mobil. let’s say it hasn’t exactly been a disaster.

and i love how you dismiss so
much as whatsboutism. I’ll ask you again, is there no value in pointing out hypocrisy? how do you prove hypocrisy, without engaging in whatsboutism?

let’s see you not defend everything biden does for the next 4 years, by saying trump was worse. I’d like to see that.
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Boy when you get your needle stuck it’s epic, going to have fun for four years of whataboutism and lists oh boy.

oh, and as always, you completely dodged my question like the coward you are, and lobbed baseless insults instead.
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"If your only -- or even simply your first -- point in defense of Trump is that Democrats are hypocrites or have double standards, you are in effect arguing that the left dictates your standards.

If you say Trump can't or shouldn't be held to account because liberals didn't hold their own side accountable for (what you allege) was similar incitement or behavior, what you're really saying is you care less about your own standards than the hypocrisy of the left.

I have no problem complaining about the hypocrisy of the left. But even if the facts were exactly as you allege, I still oppose incitement and unconstitutional behavior. The left's shifting standards shouldn't change conservatism's standards.

If my kid shoplifts, she'll be punished. If she complains her friend's parents don't care about shoplifting so it's unfair for me to punish her, I'll say "I don't care what they do" (even though I do care and I'll make a stink later). None of that changes what's right.

I'm not an expert on Christianity. But my understanding is that if you sin and are called to account for it, replying "Yeah, but look at what the Muslims do" is not a defense. Again, no expert so I'm open to correction.

But that's my point. Vast swaths of what passes for serious conservatism and analysis boils down to whining that the left is trying to hold the right accountable to the right's own standards -- and that that's somehow unfair.

Just because the left is outraged that the president lied about the election being stolen so much that a mob stormed the Capitol and killed people on the president's behalf, doesn't mean conservatives SHOULDN'T BE OUTRAGED BY IT FFS.

And just because you think their outrage is hypocritical, inconsistent, partisan, or set to the wrong tune for all I care, that shouldn't lessen your anger or outrage one iota.

In fact, you should be angrier b/c this wannabe celebrity despot implicitly & explicitly claims to be acting & speaking for you. You should be screaming, "This isn't who we are" or "Not my name you staggering jackwad." Not bleating about how some Democrat is a hypocrite.

Conservatism claims to believe in serious notions of right & wrong. We (claim to) champion moral clarity. If your first response to every misdeed of your side is to criticize the other side for condemning it. That's not principled conservatism, it's hackery.
Rant over"

Guess who

Wow thanks captain obvious for pointing out something I was aware I posted, but thanks for reinforcing my jab at Jim.

it's not clear that you were..

perhaps you should get one of those cognitive tests...you don't even remember writing on those golf balls and hitting them out on to the course...

more like a pinch from a girl.


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Definitely not a misogynist

Definitely not a misogynist

you should report him....:btu:

you should report him....:btu:

Defiantly a troll

Defiantly a troll

Proof
Of
Stupidity

Proof
I'm
Stupid

:huh:

so like most liberals, when backed into a corner, instead of admitting the possibility that i have a point, you lob baseless insults.

GS, i’m not rooting against biden. 4 years from now, i hope i’m saying he did more to improve my life, than Trump. I’m not expecting it, but i hope it.

In the meantime, he’s inadvertently helping me. This summer, when i was convinced biden was going to win, i tried to figure out how i could benefit from that. i figured a biden presidency would be good for china, and bad for us oil. so i dug deeper, and tried to figure out what that might mean, and i figured at some point, businesses that get a lot of help or revenue from china will do well, and businesses that benefit from an increase in the price of oil will do well. so i bought Tesla and Exxon Mobil. let’s say it hasn’t exactly been a disaster.

and i love how you dismiss so
much as whatsboutism. I’ll ask you again, is there no value in pointing out hypocrisy? how do you prove hypocrisy, without engaging in whatsboutism?

let’s see you not defend everything biden does for the next 4 years, by saying trump was worse. I’d like to see that.
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Look into Lucid
My 16 year old has decided to invest heavily
He was right on Bitcoin and Tesla

:huh:

Cancel culture has exacerbated your shortcomings
🤡

Trump’s final Pew poll shows only 29% of Americans approve his conduct as POTUS.

The lowest number ever.

👍🏽🍔
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Look into Lucid
My 16 year old has decided to invest heavily
He was right on Bitcoin and Tesla

Thanks, I don't know anything about Lucid. And I just put in stop-loss orders on the Tesla, as it probably has more downside than upside at this point...

Trump’s final Pew poll shows only 29% of Americans approve his conduct as POTUS.

The lowest number ever.

Lowest for him but don't forget another R Nixon's was lower.

UPDATE: "ANTIFA" ARRESTS SINCE JAN. 6 REMAIN far closer to ZERO
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INSURGENCY USA

Washington Post is just out with "How the rioters who stormed the Capitol came dangerously close to Pence”

Could this be one reason Pence mightn’t be too jazzed about a deal with Trump making Pence president for a day so he can pardon ex-president Trump early on January 20? Just asking . . .

is pence ok?

funny how some are concerned about how "dangerously close" these rioters came to politicians but over the last year ignored rioters beating innocent citizens and burning down private property and attacking police and other law enforcement members...

Lowest for him but don't forget another R Nixon's was lower.

Tweetless' approval rating has been dropping faster than the Covid infection rate since the 6th, really flattened the curve on that.

Nixon got down to 24%, have to see what the true believers end up thinking.

John Sullivan

ironically the founder of the civil rights group "Insurgence USA"

well known blm/antifa punk

John Sullivan was arrested and charged on January 14th, according to the Department of Justice, with “one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, and one count of interfering with law enforcement engaged in the lawful performance of their official duties incident to and during the commission of civil disorder.”

There are analogues:
• The communist sympathizer who joined the Soviet underground during the Cold War.
• The Irish nationalist who got sucked into Sinn Fein and then the IRA.
• The unwitting person who joins Scientology or the Hare Krishnas.
• The Muslim who was radicalized and joined ISIS.

There are analogues:
• The communist sympathizer who joined the Soviet underground during the Cold War.
• The Irish nationalist who got sucked into Sinn Fein and then the IRA.
• The unwitting person who joins Scientology or the Hare Krishnas.
• The Muslim who was radicalized and joined ISIS.



where do you get this crap?...

Washington Post is just out with "How the rioters who stormed the Capitol came dangerously close to Pence
It’s worth reading. The WaPo has several new reports that highlight just how dangerous and unprecedented this event really was.
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It’s worth reading. The WaPo has several new reports that highlight just how dangerous and unprecedented this event really was.
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The Washington Post has several new articles. Incredible. No doubt they will tell us about all the great things Trump has done. And how Biden and Harris and co. will do great things for us with China.

Just remember when you are listening to the talking heads that a lot of this impeachment focus is on Tweetless' actions leading to the attack.

But his indifference and refusal to do anything to protect legislators, his VP and the Capitol for hours DURING the attack is impeachable in itself.

He undeniably wanted it to escalate.

He undeniably wanted it to escalate.
Arguably he still does.

Arguably he still does.

by calling for peace? that’s what he’s doing

on the day that 5 Dallas police officers were assassinated, Obama
made a statement that two recent situations of white cops killing black
men, “are not isolated incidents.”

the only way to interpret that remark, is that there’s a systemic plot among american police departments where cops are targeting blacks for murder.

On that same day, a few hours later, 5 police officers were assassinated in dallas. no one suggested obama be impeached.

every single time democrats and the media vilify cops ( with lies told
for political gain), cops get
murdered. it doesnt stop democrats and the media from doing it. but they get a pass.

Maxine Waters goes on tv and tells
americans to harass elected republicans, “let them know they aren’t welcome anywhere, anytime.”. She gets a pass.

A rabid Bernie supporter shoots. Steve Scalise in the head , NO ONE hints that Bernie is responsible ( because he wasn’t).

Most indefensible, Al Sharpton is still embraced within the democrat party, still extremely powerful, despite a long record of
making inflammatory statements that lead to violence. But democrats say it’s OK when he does it.

At the impeachment vote, there was no testimony, no interviews, no hearings, no bringing in the people
who were arrested at the capital to ask them what role Trumps words played ( isn’t that sort of relevant?).
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oh, and as always, you completely dodged my question like the coward you are, and lobbed baseless insults instead.
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Didn’t dodge every “point” or perceived benefit has been debated and everyone on this board has put in their two cents. Pay attention over the long haul, or look into this memory enhancement drugs.

Didn’t dodge every “point” or perceived benefit has been debated and everyone on this board has put in their two cents. Pay attention over the long haul, or look into this memory enhancement drugs.

Wtf?
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Didn’t dodge every “point” or perceived benefit has been debated and everyone on this board has put in their two cents. Pay attention over the long haul, or look into this memory enhancement drugs.

i asked why it’s not reasonable
for people to assume that list of accomplishments improved their lives. i’ve asked you that before. you really seem
determined to avoid answering.
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Serious question: can you think of a single person who came into Trump's orbit in the past four years - either to work for him personally or in the Trump regime - who came out in a better position than when they came in? I can't think of one. Many were destroyed.
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by calling for peace? that’s what he’s doing

The only thing that would perhaps have a significant impact on potential inauguration violence would be to state the election wasn't stolen, yet he refuses to. This weekend could get very ugly.

The only thing that would perhaps have a significant impact on potential inauguration violence would be to state the election wasn't stolen, yet he refuses to. This weekend could get very ugly.

so when he literally says we need to be peaceful, you can say he’s actually inciting violence.

that’s not krazy.
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What’s crazy, is claiming with zero evidence that you won the election.
Show me the evidence, not conjecture, not bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, proof
It’s that simple, the fkn fool occupying the White House is lying.
He lost, he got blown out of the water, he has no rational claim to the Presidency
But it’s the Democrats dividing the country.
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What’s crazy, is claiming with zero evidence that you won the election.
Show me the evidence, not conjecture, not bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, proof
It’s that simple, the fkn fool occupying the White House is lying.
He lost, he got blown out of the water, he has no rational claim to the Presidency
But it’s the Democrats dividing the country.
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Other than the fact he is president?
Or is that irrational in Bitchslappedboy world?
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so when he literally says we need to be peaceful, you can say he’s actually inciting violence.

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that's how spence hears it...but trump's the crazy one

Other than the fact he is president?
Or is that irrational in Bitchslappedboy world?
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Chubby Gigilo is drunk
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Chubby Gigilo is drunk
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:rotf3:

so when he literally says we need to be peaceful, you can say he’s actually inciting violence.

that’s not krazy.
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Saying to be peaceful after a year of telling his supporters it’s fraud, whipping them into a frenzy that it’s been stolen and then inciting insurrection at our capital is too little too late...like really.
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Matt Flegenheimer and Maggie Haberman
Jan. 16, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET

When President Trump faced (and overcame) the gravest crisis of his first campaign, he defended his boasts of sexual assault on the “Access Hollywood” tape as ultimately harmless gabbing. “Locker room talk,” he said, nothing to dwell on.

When the president faced (and overcame) impeachment in 2019 after pressing the Ukrainian president to investigate Joseph R. Biden Jr., he insisted it was merely an innocuous case of two guys talking. “A perfect call,” he said, not a high crime.

And when Mr. Trump leaves the White House no later than Wednesday — amid the impeachment sequel and uncommon comeuppance he has encountered since inciting a riotous mob in Washington on Jan. 6 — he will surrender a valued perk: an executive phone system, he once enthused, that made it feel as though his words would self-destruct before they became self-destructive.

“The world’s most secure system,” Mr. Trump marveled in a 2017 interview during his first week in office, observing that no one was listening in and recording. “The words just explode in the air.”

Poof. Gone. Just as he likes it.

For most of Mr. Trump’s 74 years, the relationship between his words and their consequences has been fairly straightforward: He says what he wants, and nothing particularly durable tends to happen to him.

But in the final frames of his presidency, Mr. Trump is confronting an unfamiliar fate. He is being held to account as never before for things he has said, finding his typical defenses — denial, obfuscation, powerful friends, claiming it was all a big joke — insufficient in explaining away a violent mob acting in his name.

Aides could not do it for him, anonymously offering more palatable accounts.

Allies could not argue that he had been misunderstood.

His own words were all anyone needed to hear on this one.

In almost certainly the most expansive series of penalties he has incurred in his life, Mr. Trump’s Twitter account has been banned, his business brand badly dented, his presidency doomed to the historical infamy of a second impeachment. His largest lender, Deutsche Bank, is moving to create distance from him. His New Jersey golf club was stripped of a major tournament. Some once-reliable Republican congressional loyalists are revisiting their commitment, threatening his grip on the party, even as the president’s popularity with much of his support base remains undimmed.

Those who have known and watched Mr. Trump across the years cannot shake the irony of a president felled by the very formula that powered his rise: inflammatory speech and a self-regard that has congealed at times into functional self-delusion.

He has never considered words to be as significant as actions, or even in the same category of prospective offense. Words were whatever got him through the next interaction, people who worked with him say. Words were not deemed important enough to invite serious trouble.

So well-developed were Mr. Trump’s survival instincts, in theory, that he had all but perfected the art of semi-plausible deniability — an upside of being on seemingly every side of every major political issue at various points in his adult life.

Hadn’t he said the right thing that one time? That was what he meant.

Hadn’t he winked at the crowd a bit? Everyone takes him too seriously.

Hadn’t he used the word “peacefully” one time in that address before the Capitol riot, tucked between the more dominant instructions to “fight” and “show strength” and “go by very different rules” as he whipped up anger against elected officials, including his own vice president, who were disinclined to subvert the will of the electorate?

“He has had a habit of saying outrageous things and then saying he was being sarcastic, he was kidding, that people shouldn’t take him literally — and in fact, if you do, what an idiot you are,” said Gwenda Blair, a biographer of the Trump family. “It’s both deniability for himself, but it’s also deniability for his followers. He gives them something to hold onto so that they can then continue to believe in him.”

But Mr. Trump, and much of the political class that was shocked and disoriented by his 2016 win, has sometimes conflated his reputational resilience with a notion that nothing he says can hurt him, no matter how ostensibly damaging.

His term has been pocked with episodes, from his equivocation on white supremacy after the deadly violence in Charlottesville, Va., to his downplaying the unambiguous risks of Covid-19, that made him an unpopular president whose contract was not renewed. Less assured is his capacity to recognize the link between his conduct and this outcome.

In fact, since entering politics, Mr. Trump has often delighted in cutting down opponents who sounded too practiced or restrained.

“Just words,” he said of Mr. Biden as the Democrat accepted his party’s nomination last summer.

“It’s just words, folks,” Mr. Trump said of Hillary Clinton at an October 2016 debate days after the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape, at once deflecting any denunciation of his own remarks and calling Mrs. Clinton’s empty. “It’s just words.”

As president, Mr. Trump benefited daily from an army of defenders, in Congress and across the conservative media, who dedicated themselves to interpreting his often-inexplicable words as charitably as possible.

And since his time as a private citizen, Mr. Trump has generally been insulated from the fallout from his words because associates have been left to navigate it instead.

“He said stupid things, and we did damage control, and that was it,” said Barbara A. Res, a former executive vice president of the Trump Organization. “He never gave it a thought.”

Experts in the Trump canon have struggled to summon an analogy for his present conditions, when his words or deeds had caused things he cared about to be taken from him.

“Ivana during that first divorce kind of got back at him a bit,” Ms. Blair recalled of the amply chronicled dissolution of his first marriage, before reconsidering. “In fact, he loved that whole thing because it got him more ink.”

Tony Schwartz, who ghostwrote “Trump: The Art of the Deal” and has in recent years become a ferocious critic, said Mr. Trump’s relative evasion of consequences until now “has progressively increased his conviction that he can and should get away with anything he does.”

It is no surprise, then, that since last week, as in much of his White House tenure, Mr. Trump has proved himself capable of only temporary modulation, defaulting to defiance but snapping to attention when advisers impressed upon him that he could face legal exposure for his incitements.

In a video on Wednesday, he condemned “violence and vandalism” and held up his “true” supporters as champions of law enforcement — a message aimed, perhaps, at unnerved Senate Republicans ahead of his impeachment trial.

Yet for all the things Mr. Trump did not say — that he lost the election, that Mr. Biden would be inaugurated, that he assumed any responsibility for the state of affairs — and all the things he has said before, it was impossible to believe the president’s heart was in it, implausible to assume the words were meant to last, to hang rather than explode in the White House air.

“All of us can choose by our actions to rise above the rancor …” he said dutifully this time.

“ … to overcome the passions of the moment …”

“ … to move forward united …”

Anyone listening knew that these were just words

That was well written. Thank you for sharing
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