View Full Version : Biden border surge could be 1.4++million illegal crossings/year


detbuch
02-16-2021, 11:39 AM
Former ICE director says illegal border crossings at the current rate could be 1.4 million in a year, and become astronomical if the Remain in Mexico policy is abandoned. Not to mention the huge added burden on containing covid 19.

“I wrote an op-ed for Fox News seven months ago and I said if Joe Biden became president, we would lose the border and it’s happening,” Homan replied. “The surge is already there. Now, you mentioned those numbers, but the truth is, it’s almost 4,000 crossings a day because Border Patrol isn’t adding [the ones who got away]. So there’s a way they count footprints in the sand and vehicle stop. So it’s about 4,000 a day. Now, you times that by a month, that’s 120,000 month, which is 1.4 million a year.”

“And that’s why Title 42 is still in place for single adults. Once [the Remain In Mexico policy] stops adhering to Title 42, the numbers will be astronomical. And we knew this will happen because all the promises Joe Biden has made and he continues to make. And you know, so this isn’t by accident. This is by design. This is an open border strategy. He has bowed to the left, we lose the border.”

"Biden previously promised to eliminate immigration restrictions put in place by the Trump administration, including the Remain in Mexico policy, which requires asylum seekers to remain in Mexico while they wait for their U.S. court hearings."

https://thegreggjarrett.com/former-ice-director-surge-in-illegal-border-crossings-because-bidens-open-borders/?utm_source=Hootsuite

Pete F.
02-16-2021, 02:58 PM
Ah, more supposition and conjecture?
Be very afraid
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/08/biden-immigration-refugee-policy-family-separation-latin-america/
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detbuch
02-16-2021, 05:08 PM
Ah, more supposition and conjecture?
Be very afraid
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/08/biden-immigration-refugee-policy-family-separation-latin-america/
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Your article is entirely an exercise in supposition and conjecture. It is a "hope" that things will go well . . . whatever "well" is supposed to be. It is a cluster of the kinds of compassionate and hopeful policies that have not solved the problem of millions of illegal crossings before and under which those crossings continued and grew larger. It actually makes millions of illegal "migrants" out to be desirable.

The article I posted had actual numbers of illegals crossing now, which if continued would result in millions more. We are restricted to wearing masks and social distancing, but it's OK to encourage untested millions from high Covid frequency areas to cross over in super spreader groups and roam through the country at will. And if the Remain in Mexico policy is abandoned, the numbers will go dramatically up.

As has been mentioned several times on the forum, if we want to import needed immigrants, we can do so sanely by accepting legal, vetted, immigrants from various parts of the world. Encouraging mass, illegal, unvetted, migration from a small and backward part of the world, especially in massive numbers before previous ones have totally assimilated, is a horrible way to do it.

Are you in favor of encouraging those flows of caravans that we were having and are now making a comeback? Do you think we actually need them?

Pete F.
02-16-2021, 10:20 PM
Your article is entirely an exercise in supposition and conjecture. It is a "hope" that things will go well . . . whatever "well" is supposed to be. It is a cluster of the kinds of compassionate and hopeful policies that have not solved the problem of millions of illegal crossings before and under which those crossings continued and grew larger. It actually makes millions of illegal "migrants" out to be desirable.

The article I posted had actual numbers of illegals crossing now, which if continued would result in millions more. We are restricted to wearing masks and social distancing, but it's OK to encourage untested millions from high Covid frequency areas to cross over in super spreader groups and roam through the country at will. And if the Remain in Mexico policy is abandoned, the numbers will go dramatically up.

As has been mentioned several times on the forum, if we want to import needed immigrants, we can do so sanely by accepting legal, vetted, immigrants from various parts of the world. Encouraging mass, illegal, unvetted, migration from a small and backward part of the world, especially in massive numbers before previous ones have totally assimilated, is a horrible way to do it.

Are you in favor of encouraging those flows of caravans that we were having and are now making a comeback? Do you think we actually need them?
More baloney
Don’t worry you’re all set, your plan worked. 34% of Americans are scared.
McConnell hates Trump. Trump hates McConnell. That’s very good news.
Putin’s happy
Trump will continue to receive funding
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detbuch
02-16-2021, 11:48 PM
More baloney
Don’t worry you’re all set, your plan worked. 34% of Americans are scared.
McConnell hates Trump. Trump hates McConnell. That’s very good news.
Putin’s happy
Trump will continue to receive funding
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If this blather is all you can come up with, why do you bother? Is this some kind of stupid game?

Ian
02-17-2021, 09:21 PM
We’ll need more than that if we’re gonna beat the Russians in the next election... open that pipe Joe!!!!
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Pete F.
02-18-2021, 07:26 PM
Come on, even Ted Cruz crossed the border seeking a better life for his children
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detbuch
02-18-2021, 10:15 PM
Come on, even Ted Cruz crossed the border seeking a better life for his children
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Legally.

Pete F.
02-19-2021, 12:01 PM
I get it now. Ted and Heidi Cruz wanted their children to be safe, to have basic sanitary services like heat and running water, to leave behind a third-world apocalyptic nightmare for a safer place. Like so many parents before them, they decided to cross the Mexican border.

detbuch
02-19-2021, 01:48 PM
I get it now. Ted and Heidi Cruz wanted their children to be safe, to have basic sanitary services like heat and running water, to leave behind a third-world apocalyptic nightmare for a safer place. Like so many parents before them, they decided to cross the Mexican border.

Where did you get that?

Pete F.
02-19-2021, 01:55 PM
There’s plenty more

When he “liked” a porn post on Twitter, Rafael “Ted” Cruz blamed a staffer.

When the people he incited stormed the Capitol, he blamed the left.

When GOP policy left TX without power, he blamed wind.

And when he snuck off to Cancun during a crisis, he blamed his kids.

And he wishes he could have snuck across the border.

He’s the only Rafael Cruz that could have gone to Mexico for 17 hours and not spent the next 17 being interrogated by ICE and DEA.
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detbuch
02-19-2021, 02:30 PM
There’s plenty more

When he “liked” a porn post on Twitter, Rafael “Ted” Cruz blamed a staffer.

When the people he incited stormed the Capitol, he blamed the left.

When GOP policy left TX without power, he blamed wind.

And when he snuck off to Cancun during a crisis, he blamed his kids.

And he wishes he could have snuck across the border.

He’s the only Rafael Cruz that could have gone to Mexico for 17 hours and not spent the next 17 being interrogated by ICE and DEA.
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What does all that biased and disputable "get" have to do with the legality of going to Cancun. Did he cross the border illegally? If he did, he should be prosecuted and either imprisoned or fined or returned to where he came from. As should all illegal border crossers.

Pete F.
02-20-2021, 06:50 AM
Ted’s shortest Spring Break was obviously him seeking a refuge from the conditions in the USA
Refugees are not illegal immigrants per USA and international law
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detbuch
02-20-2021, 11:36 AM
Ted’s shortest Spring Break was obviously him seeking a refuge from the conditions in the USA
Refugees are not illegal immigrants per USA and international law
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Ted didn't break any law. He did not try to sneak across the border and make some incognito residence in Mexico. If he had, Mexico would have jailed him and deported him.

There is a process for refugees to enter. Clandestine unvetted caravans is not part of the process.

You seem to be advocating for millions of folks being able to sneak in and settle here. And seem to be saying that all of them are "refugees." Immigrating to another country in order to make a better life does not qualify for refugee status.

You seem to be saying that borders, or at least US borders, are what is illegal or just plain wrong.

Do you advocate for anyone just walking in and setting up residence? Do you believe we should accept a constant flow of millions of people because they were impoverished in the place from whence they came? There are around 700 million people worldwide who are impoverished. Should they all be allowed to, unannounced, come on in?

detbuch
03-05-2021, 10:57 AM
https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/03/03/number-of-illegal-border-crossings-is-six-times-what-obama-team-considered-crisis/

There is a catastrophic crisis that could add another quarter of a million to the population of illegal aliens in this country in less than a year.

According to former officials in the Obama administration, the standard for a border crisis was 1,000 attempted crossings a day. Who was on the team that set that standard? President Joe Biden—then vice president—and Alejandro Mayorkas, then deputy secretary, and now secretary, of homeland security.

When the Trump administration ended, the U.S. was deporting more people than were illegally coming into the country. In less than a month under Biden, the number of people illegally coming into the country is more than 6,000 per day—that’s six times the crisis level as set by the Obama team.

According to a source with knowledge of what’s happening at our southern border, the Border Patrol, in one day, encountered 4,700 people trying to illegally enter the U.S. About another 900 were observed but not detained. In addition, another 400 were detained and sent back. This volume is straining resources at the border.

And it is not just the numbers. This is fueling a public health crisis. One source in the Department of Homeland Security estimates 15%-25% of people who illegally cross the border are COVID-19-positive. According to a recent press report, asylum-seekers, which the president has also let in in record numbers, are testing positive for COVID-19 after being released by the Border Patrol.

And the numbers are fueling a public safety crisis. According to one report, human traffickers are so overwhelmed with business they are using wrist bands to keep track of their clients.

The cash that flows into the pockets of cartels and transnational gangs in turn fuels their opioid business, which poisons and kills our neighbors and children, as well as many other nefarious activities that make our communities less safe.

At a time when state and local government are stretched to provide services to their citizens and unemployment reminds high, the federal government is dumping the flood of illegal immigrants into communities across the country.

Finally, this flood is feeding a humanitarian crisis. Encouraging illegal immigration fuels a number of dangers that put the lives of migrants at risk. A dramatic example of that just happened in California, where over a dozen illegal immigrants were killed in a traffic accident, having been unsafely packed in a van driven by smugglers.

If these dramatic consequences don’t add up to a crisis, then the Titanic is still just running late. Yet, the secretary of homeland security has said there is no crisis. On camera when asked by a reporter, the president of the United States said there is no crisis.

In fact, in one week, the administration said there is no crisis, reportedly drafted a supplemental appropriation request to deal with the crisis, and blamed the crisis on former President Donald Trump.

The president should be honest with the American people. There is a crisis. The crisis was caused by a raft of open border policies rapidly implemented by this administration (such as stopping construction on the border wall and promoting amnesty for illegal aliens), which in affect are advertisements to attract more illegal immigration.

The president should immediately put a stop to implementing initiatives that proactively attract illegal immigration.

Pete F.
03-05-2021, 11:19 AM
After the previous administration spent 4 years making things worse in Central America, what would one expect?

JUNE 5, 2020 11:21 AM PT
WASHINGTON — If the president of a country is implicated in running a massive drug-trafficking network, you might think that would be a disqualifier for receiving U.S. aid.
But not if the country is Honduras and the Trump administration holds the purse strings.

The State Department in recent days has quietly certified Honduras and its two Central American neighbors, El Salvador and Guatemala, for millions of dollars in U.S. aid, despite each country’s failure to demonstrate progress on human rights and good governance.

In documents filed with Congress and reviewed by The Times, State Department analysts reported limited success in the countries’ efforts to improve human rights, police practices and governance, or in curbing corruption and violence.

Where the three received the highest marks, however, was in their cooperation with President Trump’s immigration policies, designed to drastically reduce legal and illegal migration from Central America to the U.S..

“The certifications reflect the ‘glass half full’ approach,” said Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) , who follows Latin America closely and is a veteran member of the Senate Appropriations Committee. “There are glaring examples of not only failing to meet the conditions in U.S. law, but actively seeking to undermine them. It makes a mockery of the process.”

U.S. law has for a couple of decades made some foreign aid contingent on advances in human rights and other issues, which is why the State Department is required to make its annual assessment.

At stake is about $500 million for each of fiscal years 2019 and 2020 to be divvied among the three countries. (The 2019 fiscal year ends Sept. 30). Several months ago, Trump threatened to cut the aid for lack of cooperation on immigration.

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The case of Honduras, critics say, is especially egregious.

President Juan Orlando Hernandez, a dedicated ally of Trump, was an unindicted co-conspirator in a U.S. federal case against his brother, Tony. Tony Hernandez was found guilty in Manhattan in October of running what the indictment called a “state-sanctioned,” multimillion-dollar drug-trafficking network that sent tons of cocaine to the United States.

In the trial, prosecutors and witnesses linked the president to the operation, although he was never charged and has denied wrongdoing. A separate federal indictment filed in Manhattan on April 30 accuses a former senior Honduran police commander, Juan Carlos Bonilla, of conspiring to import cocaine to the U.S. “on behalf of” President Hernandez, who allegedly benefited from the profits.

In the State Department’s certification, the Tony Hernandez trial is mentioned only once and the Honduran president’s connection is not mentioned at all.

A State Department official defended the findings while acknowledging high-level corruption remained a problem in Honduras.

“Extremely serious challenges remain, including credible information that the most senior levels of the government received money from narco-traffickers,” said the official, from the Western Hemisphere affairs bureau, on condition of anonymity in keeping with administration protocol.

“Much work remains to be done in Honduras,” the official said. “Without U.S. assistance, we would likely see backsliding on the progress that has been made.”

Hernandez’s government also drew international criticism for its decision to close down a highly regarded anticorruption agency sponsored by the Organization of American States. The agency had launched numerous investigations into powerful Hondurans and was successful in important prosecutions, including of a former first lady and former mayor of Tegucigalpa, the Honduran capital.

In January, Hernandez ignored pleas from international diplomats and civil rights organizations to not abolish the panel, known formally as the Mission to Support the Fight Against Corruption and Impunity in Honduras, or MACCIH.

At the time, State Department officials lobbied intensively for Hernandez to preserve the anticorruption group but ultimately were defeated.

MACCIH was modeled after a United Nations-created anticorruption agency in Guatemala, which was similarly scoring investigative victories only to be closed down by then-President Jimmy Morales, who gave international investigators 24 hours to leave the country.

“What we see in Central America is a series of blows to the rule of law, as institution after institution intended to investigate corruption is shut down by the people being investigated,” Rep. Norma Torres (D-Pomona), the only Central America-born member of Congress, said when MACCIH was closed.

The State Department official who spoke to The Times for this article said officials were “disappointed” at the Honduras decision, but hopeful that other entities created by the government may be able to take up investigations.

In their certification report, State Department officials cite the Hernandez government’s “robust” cooperation on immigration, its 148% increase in arrests of migrants in 2019 and the 90% drop in Hondurans being captured by the U.S. Border Patrol from May 2019 to February 2020.

Diplomats, academics and others who study Latin American and immigration policy say the Trump administration appears to be willing to look the other way on other issues in exchange for cooperation on immigration. But those other issues, such as human rights and violence, in fact are major generators of migration.

All three countries have entered controversial agreements with the Trump administration to take back Central Americans who have attempted to enter the U.S. illegally, and to allow repatriation of citizens attempting to apply legally for asylum in the U.S. Under international convention, people fleeing their homelands out of fear of persecution or death should be allowed to apply for asylum and remain in the country where they make the application, in this case the U.S.

The agreements have allowed the U.S. to essentially end asylum, reversing generations of practice, while migrants are forced to wait not in the U.S., but in Mexico or Central American countries with some of the highest homicide rates in the world.

“Instead of building the rule of law and institutions of accountability, the administration has let those be undermined in return for governments giving full support to stop people from leaving,” said Andrew Selee, president of the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute and an expert on Latin America.

“The impetus is so strong on immigration that they [administration officials] are willing to give governments that cooperate a pass on things that would have caused alarm bells in another moment,” Selee said.

Hernandez, the Honduran president, was elected to a second term, after he oversaw changes in the law to allow his reelection in late 2017, a questionable victory that triggered days of deadly demonstrations in the country. The U.S. quickly recognized the Hernandez victory, ignoring the conclusions of international election monitors who detected widespread fraud.

Both El Salvador and Guatemala have newer presidents, respectively, Nayib Bukele, inaugurated a year ago, and Alejandro Giammattei, who took office in January.

Much like Honduras, the countries were given mixed assessments in the State report, but praised for their halting of immigration. Those measures have drawn considerable domestic protest.

detbuch
03-05-2021, 02:04 PM
After the previous administration spent 4 years making things worse in Central America, what would one expect?


I would expect the current administration to adhere to or create policies that control the border and reduce illegal immigration to a minimum, not create policies that encourage more illegal immigration which even far exceeds in numbers what the leaders of this current administration once considered a crisis.

Your article tries to lay blame on the Trump administration for somehow being the cause of corruption that has existed in central America for decades. Central America was receiving the aid in question before Trump arrived, and illegal immigration was a crisis then, before Trump. Trump negotiated to bring that immigration down to minimal numbers. Biden policy is reverting to the Pre-Trump crisis and worse.

Whatever self-described wonderful policies previous administrations had, did little, if anything, to stop the corruption in Central America, and those previous U.S. administrations, as well, did little, if anything, to stop illegal immigration from south of the border.

We've been told for decades that our meddling in Central America was the problem. Decades of foreign aid was part of that meddling. I believe that the solution for corruption in those countries must be solved from within. We have been throwing billions of dollars in foreign aid to various parts of the corrupt world and having most of that money wind up in the pockets of its corrupt leaders.

If we want to nation build, we can't do it merely by stuffing money in their greedy wallets. And, anyway, we are warned that we don't have the right to nation build around the world.

So if Trump actually got something of benefit, such as greatly reducing illegal immigration from Central America, that's money well spent.

The people of Central America need to solve their own problems--have their own revolutions. Constantly depending on the US as a safe place for multi-millions of their populations does not solve the problems in their home lands, and it creates problems here. Much of the world is under some form of tyranny. Much of the world needs revolutions to occur. Running off to America exacerbates the problems, both there and here. It doesn't solve them.

Pete F.
03-05-2021, 03:36 PM
Yea, we’re going broke.
And we got to be the wealthiest country in the world with an isolationist foreign policy, right?
Giving money to Central American elected mobsters and criminals with no strings other than keep your people from leaving is about as far from Reagan’s foreign policy as you can get.
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detbuch
03-05-2021, 05:52 PM
Yea, we’re going broke.
And we got to be the wealthiest country in the world with an isolationist foreign policy, right?

What isolationist policy? Is asking member states of NATO to contribute their agreed upon financial share an isolationist policy? Seems very engaged as policy, not isolationist. Is asking China not to steal US intellectual property and putting tariffs on products manufactured in China (with which Biden admin. agrees works) isolationist policy? Seems very engaged to me. Was restructuring NAFTA an isolationist treaty. Seems very engaged to me. Was creating separate trade deals with Viet Nam, South Korea, the UK, Japan, and others isolationist actions? Seem very engaged to me. Was meeting with North Korea regarding its nuclear ambitions isolationist? Was Sanctioning Russia and Iran isolationist? Was helping to create peace agreements in the Middle East an act of isolation?

Giving money to Central American elected mobsters and criminals with no strings other than keep your people from leaving is about as far from Reagan’s foreign policy as you can get.


The money was already being given. It was an ongoing policy from previous administrations. And much of it was already going to corrupt elected officials. And wasn't doing much of what it was supposed to do. As is the case with a great deal of foreign "aid." Wasn't doing much for us other than virtue signaling. Since most foreign aid money is a form of bribery to make countries act the way we want, Trump actually getting something worth wile for the U.S. is a plus.

And as for your reference to Trump's policies being far from Reagans, Biden mostly publicaly opposed Reagan's policies, even though what Biden proposed and lobbied for was similar to Reagan in its support of military, para-military, "far right" solutions.

Since you like to argue by posting lengthy articles, here's one for you and anyone interested in our political engagement in Central and South America which, in respect to Biden, the article spells out in detail. Biden's history of political involvement with countries south of our border has not been beneficial to those countries--quite the contrary. And his current border policies are not beneficial to the U.S:

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/01/11/exclusive-series-bidens-foreign-policy-history-and-what-it-portends-for-his-presidency/

An interesting, but only a small fraction of the damning commentary in the article:

"The 'Salvador solution' entailed paramilitary and death-squad activities and state-sanctioned terrorism. Biden knew all about this as he had backed money and training for El Salvador’s death squads in the 1980s. Despite mostly opposing Reagan’s foreign policy in Central America, Biden said there was a “need to send U.S. military equipment to the region [Central America].'"

JohnR
03-16-2021, 06:57 AM
I've been told this is all good now. That there is nothing to see.

detbuch
03-16-2021, 09:51 PM
According to President of El Salvador, mass immigration to US is bad for both countries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pAzth4f-vs

Pete F.
03-17-2021, 09:13 AM
What we have at the border is a monumental Trump screw-up regarding a decades-long problem—a screw-up that the Biden administration is trying to undo.

The problem begins in Latin and South America where governments and infrastructure are failing, problems exacerbated in some cases by actions of our own government and private companies. In a White House briefing last week, Roberta Jacobson, a former U.S. ambassador to Mexico who is now the Biden administration’s coordinator for the southern border, announced that “the border is not open”—but stressed that the administration will work with civil-society groups and nonprofit organizations to try and help those in distressed countries because some governments cannot be trusted. That’s a step in the right direction. Some governments south of the border are too corrupt to deal with directly. Any money sent their way will, as has happened in the past, simply disappear.

Anyone who thinks building a wall will solve this problem never saw a ladder.

detbuch
03-17-2021, 11:52 AM
What we have at the border is a monumental Trump screw-up regarding a decades-long problem—

Was the decades-long problem a continuous decades-long screw-up? What decades spanning administrations solved the problem? Trumps "monumental screw-up" has been the most serious attempt to do so. Border crossings had considerably gone down. The asylum process was made more manageable. Cooperation with the Central American leaders was helping.

a screw-up that the Biden administration is trying to undo.

Biden has reverted to the status of the decades-long problem--in spades. The decades-long welcome mat with implied invitations are back.

The problem begins in Latin and South America where governments and infrastructure are failing, problems exacerbated in some cases by actions of our own government and private companies.

The problem begins with the failure of Central America's governments and their people to solve their own problem. And depending on or falling prey to other countries to be their saviors gives them no status as sovereign independent nations.

We are told that we are not supposed to nation build, and foreign aid just props up failing or corrupt administrations. If the citizens of a nation cannot sustain that nation, it has no foundation on which to exist, and becomes the puppet of foreign manipulation and internal bandits of all types including corrupt political leaders.

El Salvador, if its President is right, has done a lot to boost its own economy and security. Emigration has considerably gone down there. It's keeping more of its people who are needed to make it work as an actual sovereign nation supported by loyal citizens.

In a White House briefing last week, Roberta Jacobson, a former U.S. ambassador to Mexico who is now the Biden administration’s coordinator for the southern border, announced that “the border is not open”—

Numbers don't back up that typical political gaslighting rhetoric.

but stressed that the administration will work with civil-society groups and nonprofit organizations to try and help those in distressed countries because some governments cannot be trusted. That’s a step in the right direction. Some governments south of the border are too corrupt to deal with directly. Any money sent their way will, as has happened in the past, simply disappear.

Is this more interfering with foreign governments? That's supposed to be a no-no. Unnamed "civil-society groups" and "nonprofit organizations" most of which have their own political agendas, left or right, could cause as much problems as those they supposedly propose to help solve. And I'm sure the corrupt governments will be very happy with the "help," and will make sure that it is applied to the right people and right pockets. Yeah . . . that's a real plan . . . not just political smoke . . .

Anyone who thinks building a wall will solve this problem never saw a ladder.

A magical ladder for 3 thousand unaccompanied children as well as hundreds of thousands, millions, to climb up and down one at a time. A 30 foot wall with barbs at the top and that has cameras and sensors and sends signals to border patrol. A wall that is merely PART of an overall strategy.

Border crossings were considerably down. Agreements with Mexico and others were made. The decades-long mess was under far greater control. But now, the mess is back.

But not to worry--"civil-society groups" and "nonprofit organizations" are gonna fix it.

Pete F.
03-17-2021, 01:26 PM
Don’t worry, if things get too tough for you funding all those illegal immigrants, you can move to Guatemala renounce your citizenship then sneak back into the USA and live the easy life.
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Pete F.
03-17-2021, 01:38 PM
A magical ladder for 3 thousand unaccompanied children as well as hundreds of thousands, millions, to climb up and down one at a time. A 30 foot wall with barbs at the top and that has cameras and sensors and sends signals to border patrol. A wall that is merely PART of an overall strategy.

Border crossings were considerably down. Agreements with Mexico and others were made. The decades-long mess was under far greater control. But now, the mess is back.

But not to worry--"civil-society groups" and "nonprofit organizations" are gonna fix it.

Customs and Border Protection statistics show that the number of "encounters" at the southwest land border has increased every month since April 2020, when the number fell to 17,106 amid the pandemic. The number was 74,018 in December.

detbuch
03-17-2021, 03:12 PM
Customs and Border Protection statistics show that the number of "encounters" at the southwest land border has increased every month since April 2020, when the number fell to 17,106 amid the pandemic. The number was 74,018 in December.

"Encounters" have always occurred but reached a dramatic low in April 2020. Then gradually rose to more usual numbers and really started to explode in January to 78,442, then to 100,441 in February (a huge 28% jump in one month), and still growing in March. I don't doubt that Biden's withdrawal From Trump policies and the implicit green light to come on in was a direct cause.

Of course, "encounters" don't count the large number of all those who have not been caught or who did not present themselves at ports of entry.

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas's public statement admitted that the number of migrants apprehended at the United States’ southern border is on track to hit a two-decade high, but was otherwise very misleading or untrue in opinion and fact, as disputed in this rebuttal:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/03/16/fact-checking-dhs-chiefs-dishonest-statement-on-border-crisis/

Pete F.
03-18-2021, 11:03 AM
Here’s what the next TV star who will run for President has to say about population

Tucker Carlson 2 weeks ago: We need more babies

Tucker Carlson last night: America is full, no more babies

Can you figure out the unsaid part
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detbuch
03-18-2021, 11:59 AM
Here’s what the next TV star who will run for President has to say about population

Tucker Carlson 2 weeks ago: We need more babies

Tucker Carlson last night: America is full, no more babies

Can you figure out the unsaid part
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Pete F should not have any more babies.

Pete F.
03-18-2021, 12:14 PM
Don’t worry, five is enough.
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detbuch
03-18-2021, 02:34 PM
Don’t worry, five is enough.
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Tucker might think, considering your politics, five was too many.

detbuch
03-20-2021, 05:12 PM
https://www.gopusa.com/?p=107674?omhide=true

Some passages:

. . . Three-quarters [thousands]of these unaccompanied minors are young men ages 15 to 17 . . .

. . . A few weeks after surrendering to border officials, they’ll board buses to Los Angeles, Houston or New York City [and other places]. . .

. . . The law requires them to go to school. But they’ve endured trauma on their trek and missed months or years of schooling. Few speak English, and many don’t know Spanish, only Mayan . . .

. . . Their education will cost thousands of dollars a year more than for the average student because they’ll need linguistic experts, tutors, psychological counseling, vaccinations and other support . . .

. . . only 66% of students without English skills ever graduate. . .

. . . In 2014, New York City schools rolled out the red carpet for 1,662 migrants from Central America, committing a whopping $50 million for special programs. .

. . . President Joe Biden seems oblivious. Last week, he announced a program to enable Central American children to apply for admission to the United States from their home country . . .

. . . The Democratic Party pays lip service to reducing economic inequality. But their open border policy is doing the opposite — fostering a permanent underclass working for low wages . . .

. . . Teens who fail to get a diploma are almost doomed to poverty. Nearly half the Central American adult migrants in the U.S. don’t have a high school diploma. Their education levels are lower than other immigrants or the U.S.-born population. And no surprise, they are also poorer . . .

. . . In the Chicago suburbs, these young teens labor nights in meatpacking plants and auto parts plants, come home at 6 a.m. when their shift ends, and then go to school two hours later on almost no sleep, according to a ProPublica expose. No wonder they fall asleep in class and age out of high school before getting a diploma. The #^&#^&#^&#^&ensian era of child labor is being resurrected in our country today, thanks to open borders . . .

Slipknot
03-21-2021, 10:56 AM
Move some of them into Nancy Pelosi's home, she has room, plenty of room.

spence
03-21-2021, 12:55 PM
Move some of them into Nancy Pelosi's home, she has room, plenty of room.
Soon they will be antifa and trained marxists. Millions and millions of them. Then... they all move to Warwick.

detbuch
03-21-2021, 02:01 PM
Soon they will be antifa and trained marxists. Millions and millions of them. Then... they all move to Warwick.

Violent far left Antifa members were recently filmed at a gathering during which a Hispanic female member of the group scolded a white male member of the group for the pigmentation of his skin.

“You’re still white,” she yelled at the man. “You’re still responsible. This is your fault. You’re inherently racist. It’s in your blood. It’s in your DNA.”


Remember, these are the people who are supposedly fighting racism in America.

The exchange took place after the woman berated the man for what she called “white performativeness,” which apparently means showing up to an Antifa rally as a white person and not punching “Nazis.”


“I’m seriously telling you to do the work,” she said. “Punch a Nazi. Stop being performative.”

The man embarrassingly groveled for acceptance among the Hispanic Antifa tribe as he tried to explain that he had put a good deal of time and effort into fighting “Nazis.”


“I’ve been f****** fighting for like three months,” he said. I’ve put myself at risk for us all the time! Somebody threw a f****** megaphone at my head!”

It wasn’t enough. No amount of megaphones to the head could overcome that poor man’s cardinal sin – being born with the immutable characteristic of whiteness.

WATCH: (Warning: Explicit Language) https://www.facebook.com/MilneNews/videos/405124663229656/

Slipknot
03-22-2021, 07:52 AM
Soon they will be antifa and trained marxists. Millions and millions of them. Then... they all move to Warwick.

don't forget MS-13 or the Cartel

Pete F.
03-23-2021, 08:47 AM
Zero of the top 50 most densely-populated cities in the world are in the United States. If there's one thing we've got plenty of, it's room.

Unless you fall for the losers big lie, one of many, who routinely demonized undocumented immigrants, calling them drug dealers, criminals, and rapists.

More people will die from the stupid kids packing south Florida for Spring Break bringing the latest variant of Covid home and senseless gun crimes like Atlanta and Boulder this week than from illegal immigrants.

detbuch
03-23-2021, 11:16 AM
Zero of the top 50 most densely-populated cities in the world are in the United States. If there's one thing we've got plenty of, it's room.

Is that one of the markers for when to stop illegal, disorderly, mass immigration? Having a city in the top 50 most populated? Or having enough room--until you get one of those cities? Is there not enough room in central America? Haven't heard not having enough room was one of the reasons they come here.

Maybe we should stop turning big land areas into national parks, just in case we run out of room to accommodate all the poor people of the world. Maybe we should outlaw abortion because we have enough room for the millions of aborted humans before they could migrate out of the womb.

Unless you fall for the losers big lie, one of many, who routinely demonized undocumented immigrants, calling them drug dealers, criminals, and rapists.

Is calling people "losers" nicer than calling them criminals? Aren't criminals and rapists and drug dealers losers of sorts?

And your MO is the big lie. You constantly repeat big lies. Such as the "losers" you claim have called all "undocumented" (illegal) immigrants criminals, rapists, and drug dealers.

More people will die from the stupid kids packing south Florida for Spring Break bringing the latest variant of Covid home and senseless gun crimes like Atlanta and Boulder this week than from illegal immigrants.

The number of people who will die from those things is unknown and questionable. And it is unknown how many will die from "senseless" open borders and policies that welcome and make coming here easier and easier. especially when we are under various societal threatening identity crises, unemployment, increasing poverty, the transformation of our constitutional republic into a centralized welfare state . . .More people generally equates to more of most things, including death.

Pete F.
03-23-2021, 12:29 PM
The number of people who will die from those things is unknown and questionable. And it is unknown how many will die from "senseless" open borders and policies that welcome and make coming here easier and easier. especially when we are under various societal threatening identity crises, unemployment, increasing poverty, the transformation of our constitutional republic into a centralized welfare state . . .More people generally equates to more of most things, including death.

That’s unknown and questionable but be very afraid and vote for those who claim they will save you, like the loser
Luckily most Americans didn’t fall for his big lies
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detbuch
03-23-2021, 12:36 PM
That’s unknown and questionable but be very afraid and vote for those who claim they will save you,

Most politicians claim that. Especially leftist ones. That's the reason lefties exist. To save the people because they claim that people can't save themselves.

like the loser
Luckily most Americans didn’t fall for his big lies
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Apparently they did fall for his big lies and they voted in "the borders are closed" big liar Biden.

Pete F.
03-23-2021, 12:38 PM
Apparently they did fall for his big lies and they voted in big liar Biden.

Donald Trump was a tool in a long-running Russian campaign to weaken the United States. That’s been documented in Republican-led investigative reports, and now it has been updated with new evidence, thanks to the U.S. Intelligence Community’s assessment of the 2020 election. The report, drafted by the CIA, the FBI, and several other agencies, was released in unclassified form on Tuesday, but it was presented in classified form on Jan. 7. In other words, it was compiled, written, and edited during Trump’s administration. It destroys his lies about the election, and it exposes him as a Russian asset.

detbuch
03-23-2021, 12:49 PM
Donald Trump was a tool in a long-running Russian campaign to weaken the United States. That’s been documented in Republican-led investigative reports, and now it has been updated with new evidence, thanks to the U.S. Intelligence Community’s assessment of the 2020 election. The report, drafted by the CIA, the FBI, and several other agencies, was released in unclassified form on Tuesday, but it was presented in classified form on Jan. 7. In other words, it was compiled, written, and edited during Trump’s administration. It destroys his lies about the election, and it exposes him as a Russian asset.

Here you go again. Since you can't start threads, you hi-jack an existing one. This thread is not about that. There are several old ones you could resurrect by infusing this crap into one.

As for this thread, you have said nothing pertaining to it that is significant or helpful. Just more of your biased junk.

Pete F.
03-23-2021, 01:16 PM
The GOP is fear mongering over Muslims, immigrants, and cancel culture because they literally have nothing else to offer anymore.

Pete F.
03-23-2021, 01:24 PM
There’s no migrant ‘surge’ at the U.S. southern border. Here’s the data.
Evidence reveals the usual seasonal bump — plus some of the people who waited during the pandemic
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Migrants in custody at a U.S. Customs and Border Protection processing area under the Anzalduas International Bridge on Friday in Mission, Tex. (Julio Cortez/AP)
By Tom K. Wong, Gabriel De Roche and Jesus Rojas Venzor
March 23, 2021 at 7:00 a.m. EDT

We looked at data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection to see whether there’s a “crisis” — or even a “surge,” as many news outlets have characterized it. We analyzed monthly CBP data from 2012 to now and found no crisis or surge that can be attributed to Biden administration policies. Rather, the current increase in apprehensions fits a predictable pattern of seasonal changes in undocumented immigration combined with a backlog of demand because of 2020’s coronavirus border closure.

It’s not a surge. It’s the usual seasonal increase.
The CBP reports monthly data on how many migrants its agents apprehend at the southern border, including unaccompanied minors. The figure below shows the most recent data the CBP has made publicly available.

As the blue line shows, the CBP has recorded a 28 percent increase in migrants apprehended from January to February 2021, from 78,442 to 100,441. News outlets, pundits and politicians have been calling this a “surge” and a “crisis.”

But as you can see, the CBP’s numbers reveal that undocumented immigration is seasonal, shifting upward this time of year. During fiscal year 2019, under the Trump administration, total apprehensions increased 31 percent during the same period, a bigger jump than we’re seeing now. We’re comparing fiscal year 2021 to 2019 because the pandemic changed the pattern in 2020. In 2018, the increase is about 25 percent from February to March — somewhat smaller but still pronounced.

But was 2019 an aberration? In the figure below, we combine data from fiscal year 2012 to fiscal year 2020 to show the cumulative total number of apprehensions for each month over these eight years. As you can see, migrants start coming when winter ends and the weather gets a bit warmer. We see a regular increase not just from January to February, but from February to March, March to April, and April to May — and then a sharp drop-off, as migrants stop coming in the hotter summer months when the desert is deadly. That means we should expect decreases from May to June and June to July.

Data: U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Figure: U.S. Immigration Policy Center (USIPC) at UC San Diego
What we’re seeing, in other words, isn’t a surge or crisis, but a predictable seasonal shift. When the numbers drop again in June and July, policymakers may be tempted to claim that their deterrence policies succeeded. But that will just be the usual seasonal drop.

So why are we seeing more migrants so far in 2021?
The CBP has indeed reported apprehending more migrants in February 2021 than in the same month in previous years. But that too doesn’t mean it’s a surge or a crisis. In the first figure, above, the blue trend line for fiscal year 2021 is above the orange trend line for fiscal year 2019. But 2020 was the pandemic, when movement dropped dramatically. Countries around the world closed their borders. Here in the United States, the Trump administration invoked Title 42, a provision from the 1944 Public Health Act, to summarily expel migrants attempting to enter the United States without proper documentation.

In other words, in fiscal year 2021, it appears that migrants are continuing to enter the United States in the same numbers as in fiscal year 2019 — plus the pent-up demand from people who would have come in fiscal year 2020, but for the pandemic. That’s visible in the first figure, earlier, in which the blue trend line for the five months of data available for fiscal year 2021 (October, November, December, January and February) neatly reflects the trend line for fiscal year 2019 — plus the difference between fiscal year 2020 and fiscal year 2019.

This suggests that Title 42 expulsions delayed prospective migrants rather than deterred them — and they’re arriving now.

That would be consistent with nearly three decades of research in political science. Much of this research has been done since President Bill Clinton’s administration ran Operation Gatekeeper, which tried to keep out migrants by increasing funding and staff for border enforcement. Scholars consistently find that border security policies do not necessarily deter migration; rather, they delay migrants’ decisions to travel, and change the routes they take.

Reassessing our understanding of undocumented immigration
So have Biden administration policies caused a crisis at the southern border? Evidence suggests not. The Trump administration oversaw a record in apprehensions in fiscal year 2019, before the pandemic shut the border. This year looks like the usual seasonal increase plus migrants who would have come last year, but could not.

detbuch
03-23-2021, 04:41 PM
Reassessing our understanding of undocumented immigration
So have Biden administration policies caused a crisis at the southern border? Evidence suggests not. The Trump administration oversaw a record in apprehensions in fiscal year 2019, before the pandemic shut the border. This year looks like the usual seasonal increase plus migrants who would have come last year, but could not.

That was funny. The pandemic shut the border. The pandemic must be over.

detbuch
03-23-2021, 05:08 PM
The GOP is fear mongering over Muslims, immigrants, and cancel culture because they literally have nothing else to offer anymore.

Obviously, we have no Muslim problem. All is going well there. Zip the lips re that.

No immigration problem. It's all good. Or will be when every shred and crumb of Trump and GOP policy is wiped out. That's what Uncle Joe is doing. Folks misconstrue his creating new policies as a reaction to some phantom crisis. Nope. He's just making what was already great before Trump even better.

And cancel culture is great stuff. It's New Wave cleansing of bad people who thought they had some fictitious right to opinions and actions that run counter to the will of the good folk of this country.

Things are getting straightened out fast under the Harris/Biden administration. They've got total control of Congress and the Presidency. They will give us an American Renaissance. The Constitution will be cleansed of those silly glitches that constrained their power. The Federal Government will now be free to, how did you put it, to "offer us" stuff--that we can't refuse.

We don't need that nasty fear mongering by the GOP. We only have to be afraid of white supremacists and white males.

Pete F.
03-24-2021, 10:39 AM
You're all set with the future conservatives

Dinesh D'Souza? Allen West? Ted Nugent? Steve Crowder? Curt Schilling?

Biggest bunch of victims since the Confederacy

detbuch
03-24-2021, 11:52 AM
You're all set with the future conservatives

Dinesh D'Souza? Allen West? Ted Nugent? Steve Crowder? Curt Schilling?

Biggest bunch of victims since the Confederacy

As far as the subject of this thread goes, I would trust their opinions over any Democrat. But I understand why you must take every opportunity to make fake smears. I don't expect integrity from someone who must resort to lying and slander in order to destroy what he fears.

Pete F.
03-24-2021, 12:33 PM
As far as the subject of this thread goes, I would trust their opinions over any Democrat. But I understand why you must take every opportunity to make fake smears. I don't expect integrity from someone who must resort to lying and slander in order to destroy what he fears.

Calling the person who came in second in an election a loser is not lying or slander.

In this country elections have winners and losers.

55% of Americans now think the country is on the right track

detbuch
03-24-2021, 02:28 PM
Calling the person who came in second in an election a loser is not lying or slander.

In this country elections have winners and losers.

55% of Americans now think the country is on the right track

There is an important connotative difference between THE loser (in a specific competion) and A loser (in general).

Is "Biggest bunch of victims since the Confederacy" some sort of objective unbiased, and truthful characterization?


So, if you subscribe to the infallibility of the majority of Americans, you must have thought that the country was on the right track when the American people elected Trump.

Pete F.
03-24-2021, 07:23 PM
There is an important connotative difference between THE loser (in a specific competion) and A loser (in general).

Is "Biggest bunch of victims since the Confederacy" some sort of objective unbiased, and truthful characterization?


So, if you subscribe to the infallibility of the majority of Americans, you must have thought that the country was on the right track when the American people elected Trump.

Perhaps you forgot, but that loser didn’t get a majority then either, 2.8 million more Americans voted for his opponent
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detbuch
03-24-2021, 08:05 PM
Perhaps you forgot, but that loser didn’t get a majority then either, 2.8 million more Americans voted for his opponent
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You're absolutely right. I did forget that. Thank you for reminding me.

I'm still under the influence of the fact that we are a republic, not a democracy. For very good reason. Democracies are prone to the tyranny of the majority, and the injustice of the errors that are common to mob rule. Majority opinion is the ultimate suppression of individual perception and expression. Of individual freedom.

Which is the point that I was trying to make. Majority opinion is merely a simplistic method of selection. It is not some infallible method of arriving at some philosophical, religious, scientific, or even political truth. Because a majority believes something does not make it right. It takes a lot more wisdom, intellect, intelligence, and investigative rigor in order to arrive at truth and justice than is usual in most majorities. It has happened throughout history many times that one person was right and the crowd was wrong.

Your notion of a majority claiming we are "on the right track" means nothing more than might makes right. That fits well with your Progressive, authoritarian, sometimes even Post Modern, views on what our government should be and do "for us."

Pete F.
03-25-2021, 02:08 AM
Hamilton in Federalist #22:

"To give a minority a negative upon the majority (which is always the case where more than a majority is requisite to a decision), is, in its tendency, to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser.
This is one of those refinements which, in practice, has an effect the reverse of what is expected from it in theory. The necessity of unanimity in public bodies, or of something approaching towards it, has been founded upon a supposition that it would contribute to security.
But its real operation is to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of the government, and to substitute the pleasure, caprice, or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent, or corrupt junto, to the regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority.
In those emergencies of a nation, in which the goodness or badness, the weakness or strength of its government, is of the greatest importance, there is commonly a necessity for action. The public business must, in some way or other, go forward.
If a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, respecting the best mode of conducting it, the majority, in order that something may be done, must conform to the views of the minority; and thus the sense of the smaller number will overrule that of the greater, and give a tone to the national proceedings. Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good.
And yet, in such a system, it is even happy when such compromises can take place: for upon some occasions things will not admit of accommodation; and then the measures of government must be injuriously suspended, or fatally defeated.
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detbuch
03-25-2021, 10:22 AM
Hamilton in Federalist #22:

"To give a minority a negative upon the majority (which is always the case where more than a majority is requisite to a decision), is, in its tendency, to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser.
This is one of those refinements which, in practice, has an effect the reverse of what is expected from it in theory. The necessity of unanimity in public bodies, or of something approaching towards it, has been founded upon a supposition that it would contribute to security.
But its real operation is to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of the government, and to substitute the pleasure, caprice, or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent, or corrupt junto, to the regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority.
In those emergencies of a nation, in which the goodness or badness, the weakness or strength of its government, is of the greatest importance, there is commonly a necessity for action. The public business must, in some way or other, go forward.
If a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, respecting the best mode of conducting it, the majority, in order that something may be done, must conform to the views of the minority; and thus the sense of the smaller number will overrule that of the greater, and give a tone to the national proceedings. Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good.
And yet, in such a system, it is even happy when such compromises can take place: for upon some occasions things will not admit of accommodation; and then the measures of government must be injuriously suspended, or fatally defeated.
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If the majority is given the power to determine what is right or good, then the majority will always be right and good.

The majority, under the power given to it was right to say Socrates or Galileo were wrong. In hindsight, we would say those majorities were wrong.

Expediency in government necessitates some constant instrumental process to arrive at conclusions and decisions. In democratically structured societies, majority vote is the most expedient process for making decisions. That doesn't mean the decisions are "right." It simply means that the majority has been given the power to decide.

In tyrannical governments, the instrument is the tyrant and the process is the administration of his decisions.

In democratic systems, majorities must be persuaded. When, by argument or demagoguery, majorities are persuaded that they need some particular or other, whether they actually do or not, then the statesmen or demagogues will be proved "right" when the instrument of majority vote or opinion is expressed.

In red states, Republicans are "right." In blue states, Democrats are "right." Even though the parties have opposing views, majorities have proclaimed them both to be right or wrong.

Majorities have proclaimed slavery to be right. Majorities have said it is wrong. Etc., etc., etc. . . .

Hamilton was writing about expediency in government, not about right or wrong.

The Founders did not want a tyrannical system. Nor did they want a system in which majorities created a form of tyranny by imposing the will of the majority over every aspect of the individual rights of all the citizens. That's why they created a Constitution that severely limited the central government. Even Hamilton, the most hungry for central government power, believed in unalienable individual rights which the government could not abridge.

Those Founders would not approve of what current majorities have been persuaded to believe in or vote for. But they would have bowed to the presumed rightness of majority rule and the erroneous decisions arrived at by those majorities.

Or else they would have called for a new revolution.

Pete F.
03-25-2021, 11:30 AM
"As the Founders intended" is the laziest of lazy arguments. Which founders? The signers of the Declaration, Articles of Confederation, or Constitution? Because that's a lotta folks who never agreed on much. How about every Congress that's amended the Constitution? All founders
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detbuch
03-25-2021, 01:03 PM
"As the Founders intended" is the laziest of lazy arguments. Which founders? The signers of the Declaration, Articles of Confederation, or Constitution? Because that's a lotta folks who never agreed on much. How about every Congress that's amended the Constitution? All founders
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The quote you started this post with is not any quote of mine in this thread. I am not a subscriber to original intent. In the past, on this forum, I have argued against depending on original intent as the means to interpret the Constitution. In my opinion, judicial review, judicial "interpretation," or even academic and popular interpretation should strictly be based on the original text, with some occasional clarifying supportive nods to intent, but not relying solely on the conflicting opinions of intent to support an interpretation of the Constitution.

What we have been steered into discussing here, which deflects from the subject of this thread, is the empirical "rightness" or "wrongness" of majority opinion and majority power. I claim that we give, in our democratic process, the majority the right to decide. But that is strictly an instrumental process which expedites the function of government. It is not some guarantee that majority opinion is "right" in any way other than through the wielding of power through superior numbers.

The notion that a majority believes we are "on the right track" is nothing more than an instance of might makes right.

How that might is accrued depends on the ability of power seekers to influence the majority. When there is a contest between those who hold the political power we have by majority given them, the message of the power mongers can be, and usually is, full of deceptions, exaggerations, misdirection, bribes through promises of all sorts of largesse given or transferred to the voters, and outright lies. When majority opinion relies on political rhetoric and promises, it has no claim to some noble ideological or justicial rightness, just the raw power of numbers.

As for your question of "which founders"--the majority.

Pete F.
03-25-2021, 07:21 PM
The original Constitution didn't even have the Bill of Rights, so you've gotta add on those authors and that Congress as well

BTW, if you think there's a lotta overlap between the signers of the first 3 founding documents, there's a total of 2 people who signed all 3
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detbuch
03-25-2021, 08:37 PM
The original Constitution didn't even have the Bill of Rights, so you've gotta add on those authors and that Congress as well

BTW, if you think there's a lotta overlap between the signers of the first 3 founding documents, there's a total of 2 people who signed all 3
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Is this another rabbit hole to escape from the subject of this thread? We could keep morphing from one subject to another and never have to start another thread. I guess that would be to your advantage. Do you want to discuss the Mayflower Compact, or the Northwest Ordinance, or the Missouri Compromises. Maybe the various state constitutions. Perhaps the libraries and letters of Washington and Madison and Jefferson and Hamilton. The Gettysburg Address is a really good one. We could go through the Federalist Papers one by one. The Anti-Federalist Papers would be really good to talk about and very pertinent in regards to how the Constitution has been Progressively "interpreted" in ways that turn it upside down and converted it into a document of nearly unlimited federal power instead of limiting that power.

Yeah, Madison did not originally want a bill of rights. The way the Constitution was written, a bill of rights was not necessary. The Constitution once, as written, reserved for the people that vast residuum of rights that remain beyond the few, limited, rights specified for the federal government. The individual rights specified in the Bill of Rights were already understood to be incorporated within that vast residuum embedded in the Constitutional structure, and the enumerating of a few specific rights of the people, Madison feared, would give the government a plausible pretext to claim that it was only those specified rights given in the Bill of rights which could be claimed by the people, and all else would remain within government power to manipulate as it wished.

But Progressive Courts have basically "interpreted" that quietly understood residuum of rights not listed in the BOR out of existence by giving the federal government nearly unlimited power through, in effect, rewriting various clauses such as the Interstate Commerce Clause, and the Welfare Clause, and others in a way that vanquishes much of the limitations by which the Constitution once constrained government. So now, generations later, the people are under the impression the Constitution guaranties us only those rights listed in the BOR.

So Madison's fear has come to fruition. And even those few rights in the BOR have been whittled down in scope, some to near non-existence. And the first two are now on shaky ground.

detbuch
03-27-2021, 12:28 PM
Texas GOP Congressman Ronny Jackson said Saturday that the federal government's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, should be down at the U.S. southern border instead of guilting Americans into wearing "two masks."

Jackson, who was the chief medical adviser to the White House during former President Donald Trump's administration, accused Democrats of having used the COVID-19 pandemic as a political "tool" since the virus outbreak last year.

The Texas Republican told Fox News Saturday that Fauci and other Biden administration officials aren't dealing with the health crisis at the border, which he said is worsening due to overcrowding at migrant detention facilities. He and Fox News host Pete Hegseth agreed that photographs at the border show "super spreaders" are trying to gain entry to America.

"Well, the Dems have used COVID as a tool for the last two years to get whatever they need, and they're using it now to make an excuse why reporters and people can't go in there and see what's going on," Jackson told Fox News. "I'd like to know, where is President Biden's concern about our health down there?"

"Where is Fauci?" Jackson continued. "Fauci should be down there at the border looking at this, instead, he's running around talking about how you have to wear two masks and all this other kind of stuff to keep us safe and if you don't you're responsible. Simultaneously, the border is just being stormed by these people, we know a large percentage of these people are COVID positive. "

Jackson joined numerous congressional Republicans who say the immigration crisis at the border may be worsening the coronavirus pandemic by allowing infected individuals into the country. Alabama GOP Congressman Mo Brooks said "illegal immigrants" are bringing COVID-19 into the country at an alarming rate during an interview last week.

During a U.S. Senate committee hearing about the health crisis at the border on March 18, Fauci said he was "not familiar" enough with the situation in Texas to fully answer Republicans' questions

During a separate appearance on Fox News Friday, Jackson claimed President Joe Biden may not be "fit for duty and in control" of his mental facilities. This accusation was often directed toward the 78-year-old Biden by his critics during the 2020 presidential campaign.

Fauci is the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a position he also occupied during Trump's administration. The former president frequently criticized Fauci for appearing to contradict his administration during the pandemic.

Jackson said the state of Texas, which lifted its state mask mandate earlier this month, will be reeling from the potentially infected migrants crossing the border.

"We've worked really hard, especially here in Texas, to turn things around with COVID so we can get our kids back to school and open up our small businesses and they are going to absolutely undo this with everything going on down there. This is a huge disaster from an economic standpoint and from a health standpoint and from a national security standpoint...for crying out loud, we know there's people on the terrorist watch list coming across the border."

Pete F.
03-28-2021, 06:31 AM
Is Jackson sober these days?
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detbuch
03-28-2021, 09:14 AM
Is Jackson sober these days?
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Are you?

detbuch
03-31-2021, 09:39 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Illegal Migrants Explain Why They’re Coming to the US as They Cross Private Land
BY THE DAILY CALLER NEWS FOUNDATION March 30, 2021 Updated: March 30,

Illegal migrants said they’re coming to the U.S. because of President Joe Biden, natural disasters and violence in their home countries.

A landowner where migrants frequently cross on their way to a processing facility said they tell him they’re here because Biden invited them.

Some of the migrants said they did not want to leave their countries but had to because of corruption and a lack of opportunity.

RINCON VILLAGE, TEXAS—Illegal migrants are crossing through private land seeking asylum in the U.S. for a number of reasons including Joe Biden’s presidency and factors such as violence and natural disasters devastating their home countries, they said Friday.

Approximately 190 illegal migrants were encountered at an undisclosed location in the Rincon Village near Mission, Texas, on Friday. A man calling himself “Junior” told the Daily Caller News Foundation that he encounters illegal migrants crossing through his private land every day he’s there, which is at least four days out of the week.

“They all say the same thing, Biden nos invitó, Biden invited us,” Junior told the DCNF, he asked that his last name be omitted after the media mobbed him in 2018 with requests to access his land.

The illegal migrants have not caused damage to property because they only walk along the road, but they have left behind trash including various medications, clothing and bottles, Junior told the DCNF. He added he has not recognized anyone that stands out as possible coyotes or cartel members.

“With Obama, it was mostly men with children, no women, but I asked a couple of times, ‘Where’s your daddy?’ and the kid—I remember one kid saying, ‘He’s not here,’ and the so-called father was like five feet away and says, ‘I’m right here.’ He was angry, he was upset, and I could tell, he ain’t the father, but there is nothing I can do,” Junior told the DCNF.

A Honduran man crossing Junior’s land with a large group of migrants including women and several children said that the Biden administration gave them the opportunity to come to the U.S.

A woman traveling with the same group said she is escaping Honduras with her son because women are being denigrated and killed.

A large group of migrants from Guatemala said they “aren’t delinquents” and that they came to the U.S. illegally to find work.

Antonio Flores, 22, from Honduras said he and his family came to the U.S. because of corruption and lack of opportunity in their home country. He added that this journey was not something he wanted to do, that he did not want to leave his country and that the group did not pay anyone to get them across the border.

A group of four male Honduran migrants ages 15 to 17 said they came to the U.S. because a hurricane destroyed their house and that it is easier to enter the U.S. under the Biden administration.

Junior’s land is not a port of entry and all the migrants encountered there Friday had entered the U.S. illegally. During the Trump administration, Junior told the DCNF that he would go weeks and sometimes months without seeing an illegal migrant.

Previously, illegal migrants had to walk until they encountered border officials and were brought in. There is now a temporary processing center under an international bridge about five miles from the riverbank, Junior told the DCNF. Many migrants are now headed directly to the facility.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials under previous administrations knew illegal migrants entered the country but wouldn’t pick them up, Junior claimed.

By Kaylee Greenlee

From The Daily Caller News Foundation

detbuch
03-31-2021, 09:47 AM
Illegal Border Crossings Jump to 150,000 in March
BY CHARLOTTE CUTHBERTSON March 30, 2021 Updated: March 31, 2021

MISSION, Texas—Border Patrol has apprehended more than 150,000 illegal border crossers during the month of March—50,000 more than February—according to former Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Commissioner Mark Morgan.

A further 30,000 evaded capture, according to Morgan, who has received the provisional CBP numbers from internal sources.

The March total edges out the highest month in 2019, during the most recent border crisis. In May 2019, Border Patrol apprehended 144,000 people between ports of entry.

“The border is wide open … it’s not secure. Drugs are pouring in and criminal aliens are pouring in right now,” Morgan said during a press conference on the bank of the Rio Grande on March 30.

In his first press conference since taking office, President Joe Biden on March 25 said his focus is to “rebuild the system that can accommodate the — what is happening today.”

The administration has opened several holding facilities for illegal immigrants, particularly to accommodate the increase in children crossing alone. The San Diego Convention Center is currently holding 500 children, while another 500 were sent to a site on Fort Bliss on March 30. In total, more than 12,000 children are being held by CBP and Health and Human Services.

When asked about the spike in illegal crossings, Biden said: “I like to think it’s because I’m a nice guy, but it’s not. It’s because of what’s happened every year.”

Morgan said the current surge can’t be explained away as a normal seasonal uptick.

“They created this crisis and they’re trying to spin and blame everybody but themselves,” Morgan said. “The only thing that’s really been put out there that’s honest is that we’re going to see numbers that we haven’t seen in over 20 years.”

Former Customs and Border Protection Acting Commissioner Mark Morgan at a press conference in Anzalduas Park in Mission, Texas, on March 30. 2021. (Charlotte Cuthbertson/The Epoch Times)
In a media call on March 26, a senior Border Patrol official said that 85 percent of the 2,200 individuals within family units who were apprehended the day prior were released into the United States.

The official said that if a parent brings a child under the age of 7, they are automatically released into the interior rather than being expelled under the Title 42 health emergency provision.

Morgan said CBP had provided “exhaustive briefings” to Biden’s transition team to warn them of an “unmitigated crisis” if Biden ended the Migrant Protection Protocol program and the Asylum Cooperative Agreements with the Northern Triangle countries.

“We told them that again and again. We told them that the surge numbers would skyrocket and the Border Patrol facilities would be overwhelmed.”

Pete F.
03-31-2021, 02:34 PM
March numbers
In 2000 it was 220,063
In 2016 it was 33,316
In 2019 it was 92,833
Maybe push has something to do with it
Be very afraid
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detbuch
03-31-2021, 03:56 PM
March numbers
In 2000 it was 220,063
In 2016 it was 33,316
In 2019 it was 92,833
Maybe push has something to do with it
Be very afraid
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According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, there were only 34,460 Southwest Land Border encounters in March of 2020. The numbers for this March 2021 is almost 5 times higher. And a further 30,000 evaded capture.

Pete F.
03-31-2021, 06:59 PM
According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, there were only 34,460 Southwest Land Border encounters in March of 2020. The numbers for this March 2021 is almost 5 times higher. And a further 30,000 evaded capture.
Way less than 2000
This is nothing new
Trumps shortsighted policies which along with his failed pandemic policies reduced illegal immigration in the short term did nothing to reduce the push.
In fact employers like him that were employing illegals increased the attraction.
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detbuch
03-31-2021, 08:43 PM
Way less than 2000
This is nothing new

Yeah, it's new. It's the worst since 2000 and is getting worse and projected to do so by both sides.

Trumps shortsighted policies which along with his failed pandemic policies reduced illegal immigration in the short term did nothing to reduce the push.

You repeat mantras about shortsighted policies and failed pandemic policies as if they're a given, simply a priori true. In the meanwhile, reducing immigration "in the short term" is the only term that he is responsible for since his term is over and his policies have been cut.

But we are simply supposed to believe your mantras and to suppose that Trump policies would not make a substantial and long term reduction in illegal immigration, nor that they would actually solve any "undocumented" immigration problems. According to your oft repeated but unsubstantiated mantras there is no connection between Biden's policies along with the cutting of Trump's policies to the dramatic spike in border crossings. Nothing new. And, of course, Biden's polices, we must assume, are far sighted and will actually make it all better.

As of this moment, the numbers make your suggestions and accusations out to be smoke up our butts.

In fact employers like him that were employing illegals increased the attraction.
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His political actions, as you noted, decreased the attraction. Biden's policies and election promises increased the attraction.

Pete F.
04-01-2021, 06:58 AM
His political actions, as you noted, decreased the attraction. Biden's policies and election promises increased the attraction.

In 2016 it was 33,316
In 2019 it was 92,833

Simple math will tell you which is greater
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detbuch
04-01-2021, 11:17 AM
In 2016 it was 33,316
In 2019 it was 92,833

Simple math will tell you which is greater
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In 2020 it was 34,460,
In 2021 it was 150,000

Simple math will tell you which is greater.

Pete F.
04-01-2021, 01:44 PM
In 2020 it was 34,460,
In 2021 it was 150,000

Simple math will tell you which is greater.

March numbers
In 2000 it was 220,063
In 2016 it was 33,316
In 2019 it was 92,833
Maybe push has something to do with it
Be very afraid
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Way less than 2000
This is nothing new
Trumps shortsighted policies which along with his failed pandemic policies reduced illegal immigration in the short term did nothing to reduce the push.

detbuch
04-01-2021, 02:28 PM
Way less than 2000
This is nothing new
Trumps shortsighted policies which along with his failed pandemic policies reduced illegal immigration in the short term did nothing to reduce the push.

Biden's shortsighted policies which along with his failing pandemic policies has caused illegal immigration to dramatically rise to the highest levels since 2000.

Pete F.
04-01-2021, 02:42 PM
Just listen to the Wedding crasher and be very afraid
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detbuch
04-01-2021, 02:47 PM
Just listen to the Wedding crasher and be very afraid
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Just listen to Pete F and go batchit bonkers.

Pete F.
04-02-2021, 09:27 AM
Just listen to Pete F and go batchit bonkers.

There are people who can help you disassociate from the cult of Trump and Qanon.
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detbuch
04-02-2021, 01:13 PM
There are people who can help you disassociate from the cult of Trump and Qanon.
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Cult? Qanon? . . . Oh . . . that's right . . . Your shrinking number of posts was helping me to disassociate from your make believe political world.

Pete F.
04-02-2021, 02:51 PM
Tough messaging doesn't stop people from coming to the United States. Ask President Trump, who systematically separated -- tortured in the words of Physicians for Human Rights -- thousands of families. The following year, the Trump admin saw a major increase in migration to the border.
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detbuch
04-02-2021, 03:29 PM
Tough messaging doesn't stop people from coming to the United States. Ask President Trump, who systematically separated -- tortured in the words of Physicians for Human Rights -- thousands of families. The following year, the Trump admin saw a major increase in migration to the border.
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Ah!! Trump is not just a racist, a misogynist, a Nazi, a conspiracist, an idiot, a fool, a failure, a cult leader, a creator of fantasies, a cunning curator of hatred, a crook, a destroyer of human rights, a liar, a narcissist, a traitor, a psychopath, a sociopath, among other forgotten ists and isms, and now we find that he is also a torturer . . .

It's not like you have a Trump obsession . . . but maybe you might be better off if you disassociated from this Trump whatever thingy . . . he won't be alive much longer and he lost and you've done a yeoman's job of exposing what and who he is. It's becoming a bit redundant. If we haven't got it by now, we never will.

Maybe you could talk more about Biden and the Democrats. They have the power now.

Pete F.
04-03-2021, 07:10 PM
Unlike Trump most Americans approve of Biden’s policies
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detbuch
04-04-2021, 07:37 AM
Unlike Trump most Americans approve of Biden’s policies
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Just a third of Americans say they approve of Biden's handling of the issue of immigration, with 53% saying they disapprove of his performance, an NPR/Marist poll said Tuesday.

Anyway, most Americans aren't really given all the "facts" by the corporate media. I'm not a fan of what most Americans think re politics. It often results in ignorant Constitution busting elections.

Pete F.
04-04-2021, 07:51 AM
Elections have consequences
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detbuch
04-04-2021, 06:51 PM
Elections have consequences
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Duh! Voting away your constitutional rights and giving them over to the Federal Government has consequences.

detbuch
06-07-2021, 07:43 AM
Maybe Venezuelans will vote Republican. Probably not.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/10864-venezuelans-pour-into-texas-border-region-up-from-135-last-year_3847132.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-06-07&mktids=18009e3a86255707f0a38816cd82b1a8&est=gwTKzRaxlxZw6UGYrAdleGhO%2BS5K%2FQmDQL7gnxkgWG syXBgct6f%2F2Qlyvnc2ufoV

Pete F.
06-07-2021, 07:58 AM
I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes.
They will have to make a choice.

“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” says Charles Kenny, a senior fellow at the Center of Global Development, and Washington D.C., think tank. “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

America’s fertility rates have dropped from 3.65 children per woman in 1960 to 1.73 children per woman in 2021, according to the World Bank. That’s way below the rate of 2.1 children per woman needed to replace annual deaths in the United States.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

Under Trump, the United States administratively reduced legal immigration — yes, you read that right — by about 49 percent, according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

detbuch
06-07-2021, 03:21 PM
I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes.
They will have to make a choice.

That's why I specifically asked about Venezuelans--considering their peculiar situation in which productive Venezuelans hate their "socialist" regime. But, then, illegals from the Central American countries aren't exactly in love with the regimes from which they're trying to escape. And they overwhelming vote Democrat.

Probably because the Dems are the ones who want to make it easier for them to come here.

“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” says Charles Kenny, a senior fellow at the Center of Global Development, and Washington D.C., think tank. “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

Is the current proportion (or less) of workers to overall population going to be a "crisis" in 2050? How does he know that? We have officially 9.3 million unemployed right now. And that's not counting the millions of illegals who are under the radar. Nor the millions who have stopped looking for work. Is that a crisis NOW. If that is not a crisis now, why will it be in 2050? If there are not enough jobs to employ the current population, will there be enough in 2050 if we expand the population with millions of illegals every year. And what's to say that the illegals and their children won't adopt the new American way and refuse to have 2.1 children themselves, thus perpetuating and making worse the "crisis" in 2050?

America’s fertility rates have dropped from 3.65 children per woman in 1960 to 1.73 children per woman in 2021, according to the World Bank. That’s way below the rate of 2.1 children per woman needed to replace annual deaths in the United States.

Yeah, well the new American lifestyle, assisted by nearly a million abortions every year (1960's seem to be the decade that brought in the new style, including the abundant abortions since the 1970's). No doubt, the illegals, and for sure their children, want a piece of the lifestyle and have contributed to it since then. I don't see how immigration of any kind is a solution for that.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

I'm assuming, that many of those foreign born bought into our lifestyle of less than 2.1 children for each woman.

Under Trump, the United States administratively reduced legal immigration — yes, you read that right — by about 49 percent, according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).

I guess with the number of illegals coming in we could cut the number if legals. Anyway, if we need more legals, that's easily fixable. And legal immigration is the only sane and controllable and beneficial for us way to do it.

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

The majority of advanced nations, if not just a about all, have had and continue to have severely falling birth rates.

Could it be that the high tech world the advanced nations have evolved into into don't require as much replacement fertility. And maybe even less so with the supposedly soon to be predominance of work being done by artificial intelligence. We are predicted to lose a huge number, several millions, of jobs to robotic systems which can simulate planning and production and delivery more efficiently and less costly than human labor can.

BTW, you have expressed concern for the well being of those countries from whence our illegals are coming--so, if falling fertility rates are a crisis, then are you concerned that they have dangerously been falling in Central America. El Salvador is already under the 2.1 replacement, the others are barely there, if not already so. Would the millions leaving those countries to come here exacerbate their replacement "crisis"? Or are you just a "racist" who doesn't care about the people in brown skin countries?

Pete F.
06-08-2021, 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
I would assume Venezuelans, like Cubans have experience with "socialism" and also authoritarian regimes.
They will have to make a choice.

That's why I specifically asked about Venezuelans--considering their peculiar situation in which productive Venezuelans hate their "socialist" regime. But, then, illegals from the Central American countries aren't exactly in love with the regimes from which they're trying to escape. And they overwhelming vote Democrat.

Probably because the Dems are the ones who want to make it easier for them to come here.

Looks a lot like supposition to me, most Cuban-Americans vote Republican.

“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” says Charles Kenny, a senior fellow at the Center of Global Development, and Washington D.C., think tank. “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

Is the current proportion (or less) of workers to overall population going to be a "crisis" in 2050? How does he know that? We have officially 9.3 million unemployed right now. And that's not counting the millions of illegals who are under the radar. Nor the millions who have stopped looking for work. Is that a crisis NOW. If that is not a crisis now, why will it be in 2050? If there are not enough jobs to employ the current population, will there be enough in 2050 if we expand the population with millions of illegals every year. And what's to say that the illegals and their children won't adopt the new American way and refuse to have 2.1 children themselves, thus perpetuating and making worse the "crisis" in 2050?

Your supposition assumes that 9.3 million will not go back to work shortly and that "millions of illegals" somehow survive without working and that anyone is saying that we need to increase the number of illegal immigrants.

America’s fertility rates have dropped from 3.65 children per woman in 1960 to 1.73 children per woman in 2021, according to the World Bank. That’s way below the rate of 2.1 children per woman needed to replace annual deaths in the United States.

Yeah, well the new American lifestyle, assisted by nearly a million abortions every year (1960's seem to be the decade that brought in the new style, including the abundant abortions since the 1970's). No doubt, the illegals, and for sure their children, want a piece of the lifestyle and have contributed to it since then. I don't see how immigration of any kind is a solution for that.
Abortions have consistently dropped since the 70s when they were quantified for the first time, unless you assume that illegal abortions never occurred. But that wouldn't fit your narrative.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

I'm assuming, that many of those foreign born bought into our lifestyle of less than 2.1 children for each woman.
Unsupported supposition

Under Trump, the United States administratively reduced legal immigration — yes, you read that right — by about 49 percent, according to the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP).

I guess with the number of illegals coming in we could cut the number if legals. Anyway, if we need more legals, that's easily fixable. And legal immigration is the only sane and controllable and beneficial for us way to do it.
The last administration did nothing of the sort, thank Mr Miller

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

The majority of advanced nations, if not just a about all, have had and continue to have severely falling birth rates.

Could it be that the high tech world the advanced nations have evolved into into don't require as much replacement fertility. And maybe even less so with the supposedly soon to be predominance of work being done by artificial intelligence. We are predicted to lose a huge number, several millions, of jobs to robotic systems which can simulate planning and production and delivery more efficiently and less costly than human labor can.
At some point all systems fail, then you can be free of the tyrannical government at last.

BTW, you have expressed concern for the well being of those countries from whence our illegals are coming--so, if falling fertility rates are a crisis, then are you concerned that they have dangerously been falling in Central America. El Salvador is already under the 2.1 replacement, the others are barely there, if not already so. Would the millions leaving those countries to come here exacerbate their replacement "crisis"? Or are you just a "racist" who doesn't care about the people in brown skin countries?
Coming from the man who thinks we should bear no responsibility at all for the situation in Central America, you are now thinking of new concerns for me. Tell me again how you learned on YouTube that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists.

detbuch
06-08-2021, 05:10 PM
That's why I specifically asked about Venezuelans--considering their peculiar situation in which productive Venezuelans hate their "socialist" regime. But, then, illegals from the Central American countries aren't exactly in love with the regimes from which they're trying to escape. And they overwhelming vote Democrat.[/COLOR]

Looks a lot like supposition to me, most Cuban-Americans vote Republican.

Cuba is not a Central American country. And I said that I "assume," not that I know for a fact. There's this from Pew Research: "the data provide some insights. In 2012, the Pew Research Center’s National Survey of Latinos found that among Latino immigrants who are not U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents (and therefore likely unauthorized immigrants), some 31% identify as Democrats and just 4% as Republicans."

"When one takes party “leaners” into account (i.e., those who don’t say they identify with one of the major parties, but in a follow-up question say they feel closer to one party than the other), about half of unauthorized Hispanic immigrants either identify with (31%) or lean towards (23%) the Democratic Party, while about two-in-ten identify with (4%) or lean towards (15%) the Republican Party."

"The predictions about how unauthorized immigrants will vote stem from the fact that among all Latino immigrants who are eligible to vote (i.e. are U.S. citizens) many more identify as Democrats than as Republicans—54% versus 11%."


Your supposition assumes that 9.3 million will not go back to work shortly and that "millions of illegals" somehow survive without working and that anyone is saying that we need to increase the number of illegal immigrants.

No, I'm responding to your post's declarative statement: "“The crisis we have is one of too few immigrants, not of too many,” and to its suggestive assumption: “If you look at U.N. projections, they suggest that, by 2050, the United States will need 50 million more workers to keep the current proportion of workers to the population overall.”

And that there are estimated millions of illegals that we don't know about and don't know how many of them are not working.

And I believe that we don't have to increase the number of illegals but rather we should decrease it. I don't know what you actually think about that, but I assume that you don't object to millions of illegals since you don't say otherwise but always respond in some manner that suggests we should not complain about it, but should either welcome it because we are guilty of creating their problems and that we have a worker crisis and rather than referring to them as illegal we should just say they are undocumented and should have a pathway to citizenship.



Abortions have consistently dropped since the 70s when they were quantified for the first time, unless you assume that illegal abortions never occurred. But that wouldn't fit your narrative.

Yes but they still number in the hundreds of thousands per year that we know about, and well over 60 million since 1973. That total number and the continuing 100's of thousands/year have mightily contributed to dropping of our fertility rate. And that's part of my narrative which is in response to your dropping fertility rate narrative.

In the meantime, the growth of America’s total immigrant population has been slowing down in recent decades. The total rise in the U.S. foreign-born population went dropped from 11.5 million people in the 1990s to 8.8 million in the 2000s, to 4.8 million in this decade, according to the Pew Research Center.

So are you complaining about that? Is that a bad thing for you? Is there something sacrosanct about maintaining a rise of double digit millions of foreign born population every decade?

I'm assuming, that many of those foreign born bought into our lifestyle of less than 2.1 children for each woman.

Unsupported supposition

I said that I was assuming. And I think it is a reasonable assumption. It is reasonable to assume they come here to partake in American life. That dropping fertility rate is a part of American life today. Some "support" could be that the fertility rate is dropping to that 2.1 number in Central America and is already there or less than that in El Salvador.

“The drop in international migration, combined with falling birth rates, resulted in what may have been the slowest decade of population growth in U.S. history — and does not include the additional decline between 2019 and 2020 connected to COVID-19,” a NFAP study says.

So round and round goes the government carousel. The government creates problems and tries to solve them with more problems. Maybe the gov. should adjust or get rid of the policies that contribute to and aid falling birth rates. Or maybe we don't actually need to be concerned about it. Maybe it's just evolution.

Coming from the man who thinks we should bear no responsibility at all for the situation in Central America, you are now thinking of new concerns for me. Tell me again how you learned on YouTube that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists.

What do you mean by "responsibility"? You mean historical causation for the situation in Central America? I don't think I have denied that. There's a lot of worldwide guilt there. And there's continued meddling. Giving them billions in "aid" which finances the corrupt governments that are the current problem, e.g. Ultimately, the people who consider themselves the citizens of a sovereign nation are responsible for that nation.

And I'm not thinking of "new" concerns" for you. You're the one who has several times brought up the problems that we supposedly are responsible for in Central America. And that how we are somehow therefor responsible for helping to solve those problems.

And I've never said, nor believe, that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists.

Pete F.
06-09-2021, 06:53 AM
Oddly enough, Stefan Molyneaux’s YouTube that you linked is no longer available.
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detbuch
06-09-2021, 10:17 AM
Oddly enough, Stefan Molyneaux’s YouTube that you linked is no longer available.
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Molyneux's views are not always my views. I have said that he annoys me, and that his views on IQ are troublesome. But he makes good points and backs them up with hard data. I don't recall the particular YouTube you're referring to. Perhaps it had to do with the false accusation that Trump said Mexicans are rapists? Making the totally inclusive "Mexicans" rather than "some Mexicans" or a specifically referred to group of Mexicans amounts to a lie . . . probably intentionally so.

At any rate, regardless of what Molyneux said, I don't think that I have made a blanket statement that Mexicans are mentally deficient and rapists. Some are. Some Whites are. Some Blacks are. Some Asians are. And "mentally deficient" is too broad to be useful unless it refers to a particular mental deficiency. Again All races and ethnicities have individuals who are deficient in some way including a specified mental disorder.

detbuch
06-28-2021, 02:13 PM
542 Percent Increase in Convicted Sex Offenders Arrested at Border

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/542-percent-increase-in-convicted-sex-offenders-arrested-at-border_3876489.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-06-28&mktids=6c29a2e533cabda3cdbbd37cbb345d0c&est=G54RuRsvHsPah9e3QLfhRRAg7NxIv7hJ%2BR1vLodiaGqN OSvP1%2B0fz6z8HM51qlYt

detbuch
07-15-2021, 12:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkCbzieFFfY

Pete F.
07-15-2021, 01:51 PM
Be very afraid, better put a mirror over your computer so you can see the illegals coming.

There are no nuanced, grownup solutions in Chicken Little Carlson’s head. Just like a bad remake of TFG, there are good guys and bad guys and spikes and monsters and killer alligators and moats around castles.
But it works for the base, create an enemy, vilify them and the base lines up for battle
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detbuch
07-15-2021, 02:01 PM
Be very afraid, better put a mirror over your computer so you can see the illegals coming.

There are no nuanced, grownup solutions in Chicken Little Carlson’s head. Just like a bad remake of TFG, there are good guys and bad guys and spikes and monsters and killer alligators and moats around castles.
But it works for the base, create an enemy, vilify them and the base lines up for battle
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Actually, you didn't point out how anything Tucker said was wrong. You just threw some nasty sarcastic shade at him. That's all you got. Fakery.

Pete F.
07-15-2021, 02:21 PM
Actually, you didn't point out how anything Tucker said was wrong. You just threw some nasty sarcastic shade at him. That's all you got. Fakery.

You think everyone should believe the Swanson Heir, all you got is a bunch of talking heads on YouTube
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detbuch
07-15-2021, 02:56 PM
You think everyone should believe the Swanson Heir, all you got is a bunch of talking heads on YouTube
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They say good stuff that you can't deal with. So you talk, talk, talk. Like a talking head.

Pete F.
07-16-2021, 02:37 PM
They say good stuff that you can't deal with. So you talk, talk, talk. Like a talking head.

Actually they say a bunch of stuff that fits your :bs: narrative.

detbuch
07-16-2021, 04:28 PM
Actually they say a bunch of stuff that fits your :bs: narrative.

What narrative?

detbuch
07-17-2021, 11:50 AM
Analysis: Biden’s Policies to Drive 1.7 Million Illegal Immigrants to US in 2021
BY TOM OZIMEK July 17, 2021 Updated: July 17, 2021

A new analysis by Steven Kopits, head of Princeton Policy Advisors, a think tank, projects that immigration officials could encounter nearly 1.7 million people seeking to enter the United States illegally by the end of 2021, with Kopits blaming the Biden administration’s “open border” policies.

The analysis comes after federal immigration officials announced that they had apprehended 188,829 people illegally crossing the southwest border in June, up from 180,034 in May. The figure includes more than 15,000 unaccompanied minors, over 55,000 family units, and over 117,000 single adults.

“The only way to achieve such stratospheric numbers is by a deliberate policy of holding the border open,” Kopits wrote in the analysis.

“In all but two of the last twenty-one years, June apprehensions were below May apprehensions,” Kopits wrote. “The case is just the opposite this year, suggesting that extraordinary factors—like an open border—are stimulating continued and counter-seasonal flows of illegal immigration.”

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In the analysis, Kopits assumes the number of apprehensions will taper off in the balance of the year, similar to what happened several decades ago, although he notes that “apprehensions are showing no signs of doing so at the moment.”

“Our forecast for the balance of [calendar year] 2021 assumes a decrease in apprehensions following the precedent of 2000,” Kopits wrote. “In such an event, apprehensions at the U.S. southwest border would total 1,581,000 for [fiscal year] 2021 and 1,690,000 for calendar year 2021. The fiscal year figure would be the third worst in the historical record, and for the calendar year, the absolute worst in the historical record by nearly 100,000.”

While the number of illegal immigrants who were detected by Border Patrol but evaded capture isn’t released, Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz said on June 24 that the number had exceeded 250,000 so far this fiscal year. The number who are not detected and not captured is impossible to estimate.

Since taking office, President Joe Biden has reversed a number of border and asylum policies implemented by the Trump administration, including overturning the Migrant Protection Protocols, which required asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their claims were processed. Biden has also proposed an immigration bill that would provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants living in the United States.

Republicans have blamed Biden’s rollback of Trump-era policies for fueling the border surge, arguing that stricter rules around border security and asylum admissions serve to deter would be illegal immigrants from trying to enter the United States.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/analysis-bidens-policies-to-drive-1-7-million-illegal-immigrants-to-us-in-2021_3905912.html?utm_source=pushengage

detbuch
10-08-2021, 05:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqOV3U0JITc

Pete F.
10-08-2021, 07:12 PM
Be very afraid
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detbuch
10-08-2021, 07:52 PM
Be very afraid
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The truth can be scary. But avoiding it is scarier.

Pete F.
10-08-2021, 08:11 PM
Just remember when you’re dead, you’re a dead peckerhead
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The Dad Fisherman
10-08-2021, 08:42 PM
Just remember when you’re dead, you’re a dead peckerhead
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Ahhhh, keeping it classy as always :rolleyes:
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detbuch
01-25-2022, 10:34 PM
Ukraine's border is more important than ours. Ukraine's national sovereignty is more important than ours. It is more important to protect Ukraine's border than it is to protect ours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDaPwux0VLo

wdmso
01-26-2022, 08:52 AM
Ukraine's border is more important than ours. Ukraine's national sovereignty is more important than ours. It is more important to protect Ukraine's border than it is to protect ours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDaPwux0VLo

Coffee kool aid this morning :btu:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:

Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 09:01 AM
Coffee kool aid this morning :btu:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:

Do we have a problem at our southern border? Has it gotten worse since Biden took over?

The southern states will get to voice their opinion on this, in November.

detbuch
01-26-2022, 11:22 AM
Coffee kool aid this morning :btu:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:

So you go to media broadcasters for your "roll" modeling? That was actually a fortuitous typo or misspelling. Most legacy media do roll their audience with biased opinions and disinformation.

Tucker does seem to be more equitable than other legacy media commentators. He makes a very revealing comparison of Biden Administration views on Ukraine's border and the U.S. border.

Of course, your response is your usual avoid the message and attack the messenger. :faga:

scottw
01-26-2022, 12:00 PM
:

Tucker Carlson What a roll model :smash:

good grief...first kid out of the spelling bee

The Dad Fisherman
01-26-2022, 02:32 PM
https://pics.me.me/roll-model-yes-wheat-can-whos-fkn-hungry-24618585.png
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wdmso
01-26-2022, 02:59 PM
So you go to media broadcasters for your "roll" modeling? That was actually a fortuitous typo or misspelling. Most legacy media do roll their audience with biased opinions and disinformation.

Tucker does seem to be more equitable than other legacy media commentators. He makes a very revealing comparison of Biden Administration views on Ukraine's border and the U.S. border.

Of course, your response is your usual avoid the message and attack the messenger. :faga:

So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


Carlson, the most watched host on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, spent all week hosting his show from Budapest and promoting Hungary as a model for America’s future.

like I said Roll model you and your pals can support him over dinner at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat we like Strongmen Buffet:musc:

Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 03:08 PM
So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


Carlson, the most watched host on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, spent all week hosting his show from Budapest and promoting Hungary as a model for America’s future.

like I said Roll model you and your pals can support him over dinner at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat we like Strongmen Buffet:musc:

you see no issue at all, with letting in millions of immigrants, and we don’t know who they are, during a pandemic?

they don’t put enormous financial
strain on schools, hospitals, police and fire?

huge amounts of drugs don’t come
in through the southern border?
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Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 03:11 PM
So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


Carlson, the most watched host on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, spent all week hosting his show from Budapest and promoting Hungary as a model for America’s future.

like I said Roll model you and your pals can support him over dinner at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat we like Strongmen Buffet:musc:

federal agents near El Paso say they’ve seen a 4,000% increase in fentanyl seizures over the last three years.

four thousand percent.

that’s not a big deal to you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1272676
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wdmso
01-26-2022, 03:31 PM
you see no issue at all, with letting in millions of immigrants, and we don’t know who they are, during a pandemic?

can you even try to be honest who is letting in who ? you act as if there is no one on the border


they don’t put enormous financial
strain on schools, hospitals, police and fire? No jim they dont why again do repeat baseless talking points

Jim your characterization of immigrants, as people who drain public resources, is not backed by the data. not surprising


huge amounts of drugs don’t come
in through the southern border? Jim Drugs have always flowed from the southern Border and not a single administration has stemmed the Tide .. As long as Americans wish to Use Illegal Drugs they will still cross basic economics if there's a demand someone will supply
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It's All about Image for the GOP and Conservatives! they love selling this image that they are For GOD Country and Family.. it's just a scam

what they actually they are afraid of the other , Voter Turnout ..and afraid of Change... :btu:

Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 03:32 PM
It's All about Image for the GOP and Conservatives! they love selling this image that they are For GOD Country and Family.. it's just a scam

what they actually they are afraid of the other , Voter Turnout ..and afraid of Change... :btu:

how can you say that millions of
illegals ( who dont pay taxes, but whose kids need to go to school, who need subsidized housing and healthcare) arent a financial strain?
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The Dad Fisherman
01-26-2022, 03:32 PM
you see no issue at all, with letting in millions of immigrants, and we don’t know who they are, during a pandemic?
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Try going to Canada unvaccinated and see how that works out
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Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 03:34 PM
wdmso - drugs have always flowed i. from the southern border.

i posted a story about federal agents who say fentanyl seizures are up 4,000% in the last three years

now i know it’s sort of a requirement that liberals stink at math, but do you grasp what a 4,000% increase means? it means things are way worse now.
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Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 03:51 PM
Try going to Canada unvaccinated and see how that works out
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EXACTLY. Or Australia.

wdmso
01-26-2022, 03:51 PM
federal agents near El Paso say they’ve seen a 4,000% increase in fentanyl seizures over the last three years.

four thousand percent.

that’s not a big deal to you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1272676
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why is that Jim why would there be a 4000% increase because AMERICAN want their Drugs ..

I worked in a detox for 20 plus years users Hate what Heroin or Oxy has done to them and their families But they love getting High More
every addict will tell you that..

PS Jim how are they increase in fentanyl seizures if were just letting people In?

our border is like playing Red rover the problem always is the mexicans side (Cartels ) anticipate seizures and flood the Border with shipments ..

But many Americans have no Idea of the size of the southern border or that Each day, more than 1 million people and about $1.7 billion in commerce are processed through official ports of entry or Two-way trade in goods between Mexico and the United States has increased from $81.4 billion in 1993 — the year before the North American Free Trade Agreement took effect — to $557.6 billion in 2017. Mexico has remained the United States’ second-largest export market since 1995, with exports totaling $242 billion in 2017.

Many Americans a just uninformed and its why GOP messaging remains Simplistic at best that's why

Republicans overwhelmingly favor the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border. But Republicans who live closer to the border are less likely to support the wall than are those who live farther away.

Because they understand how it works

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/08/in-republicans-views-of-a-border-wall-proximity-to-mexico-matters/

Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 03:53 PM
what they actually they are afraid of the other , Voter Turnout ..and afraid of Change... :btu:

You are right, part of the reason the GOP opposes illegal immigration, is that it helps them politically.

DO you deny that part of the reason that Democrats are OK with illegal immigration, is seeking political advantage? The democrats want to turn TX blue.

But as always with you, it's only bad when republicans do it.

massive illegal immigration also reduces wages. supply and demand. it hurts poor americans.

Pete F.
01-26-2022, 05:59 PM
federal agents near El Paso say they’ve seen a 4,000% increase in fentanyl seizures over the last three years.

four thousand percent.

that’s not a big deal to you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1272676
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Sounds like drug imports increased during the Trump administration
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The Dad Fisherman
01-26-2022, 06:24 PM
“ In 2018, the Border Patrol in the El Paso sector found just one pound of fentanyl outside ports of entry. In 2019, two pounds. In 2020, nine.

During the 2021 fiscal year, agents have found 41 pounds so far”
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Jim in CT
01-26-2022, 07:02 PM
“ In 2018, the Border Patrol in the El Paso sector found just one pound of fentanyl outside ports of entry. In 2019, two pounds. In 2020, nine.

During the 2021 fiscal year, agents have found 41 pounds so far”
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clearly all Trumps fault.
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Pete F.
01-26-2022, 08:32 PM
So is the claim that we were winning “the war on drugs” and now we are not?
Better ask Don Jr
Don Jr. is obviously now doing coke while binge drinking.
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detbuch
01-26-2022, 10:15 PM
So what's the message exactly we are being invaded by mexicans

No, that is not the message that I specifically pointed to, and you couldn't have missed if you had watched the video--it's not that long and the message is strongly and clearly delivered. I unequivocally pointed to it with my intro to the video: "Ukraine's border is more important than ours. Ukraine's national sovereignty is more important than ours. It is more important to protect Ukraine's border than it is to protect ours", and I further clarified it in a following response to you "He makes a very revealing comparison of Biden Administration views on Ukraine's border [with its views on] the U.S. border.

No way you could have missed that and then wandered into some goofy phantasy bouncing around in your slow on the take brain. You're smarter than that. Take another quick look. You'll see Biden's somewhat confounding views on borders.


its the same old story people like you on the Right crying :crying:


No, not the same story. It's a different take. And I'm not shedding any tears about it. If posting opinions and videos of someone sharing them is "crying," then you sure do a lot of sobbing yourself.

wdmso
01-27-2022, 08:45 AM
You are right, part of the reason the GOP opposes illegal immigration, is that it helps them politically.

DO you deny that part of the reason that Democrats are OK with illegal immigration, is seeking political advantage? The democrats want to turn TX blue. more conservatives talking points shocking , so mexicans or illigals only live in TEXAS .. texas will turn Purple on its own by people moving to the state .. internal migration


But as always with you, it's only bad when republicans do it.

massive illegal immigration also reduces wages. supply and demand. it hurts poor americans. another lie can you ever tell the Truth :deadhorse:


let me Guess Cape cod or another seasonal on the east coast needs the below Visa works ... why would that Be Jim where are all the americans who want to work these Jobs you live in a fantasy world AMERICAN BUSINESS need and what these workers but your just :faga: to the truth

H-2A: Temporary Agricultural Worker For temporary or seasonal agricultural work. Limited to citizens or nationals of designated countries, with limited exceptions, if determined to be in the United States interest.

H-2B: Temporary Non-agricultural Worker

Jim in CT
01-27-2022, 08:50 AM
let me Guess Cape cod or another seasonal on the east coast needs the below Visa works ... why would that Be Jim where are all the americans who want to work these Jobs you live in a fantasy world AMERICAN BUSINESS need and what these workers but your just :faga: to the truth

H-2A: Temporary Agricultural Worker For temporary or seasonal agricultural work. Limited to citizens or nationals of designated countries, with limited exceptions, if determined to be in the United States interest.

H-2B: Temporary Non-agricultural Worker

They can get it legally Wayne. Legally. That's legal immigration you are referring to. We were talking about illegal immigration. Two very different things.

Jim in CT
01-27-2022, 09:05 AM
another lie can you ever tell the Truth

Millions and millions of unskilled, penniless illegal immigrants cross the border, willing to work under the table for less than minimum wage. You're saying that doesn't decrease wages?

Wayne, what's the most prominent job you've ever had in the private sector? When you say I'm wrong, what experience are you relying on, to make that statement? I'm very very curious from where you get your knowledge of free market economics.

Have you ever worked in the private sector? Because you know less than nothing about supply and demand, and that's first-day economics 101.

wdmso
01-27-2022, 09:13 AM
how can you say that millions of
illegals ( who dont pay taxes, but whose kids need to go to school, who need subsidized housing and healthcare) arent a financial strain?
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who dont pay taxes, illegals dont pay taxes they dont buy things or pay rent?


What percentage of the population pays no income tax?
In total, about 42.9 percent of U.S. households paid income tax in 2021. The remaining 57.1 percent of households paid no individual income tax.

But but let's blame immigrants ...


you seem to misrepresent my position on Illegal immigration

So let me clarify it . those caught entering the US Illegally should be deported and they Are But I am a realist Illegal immigration ebbs and flows yet only conservatives suggest its a problem when they run for office or reelection it's all lip service . once in office they refuse to fix a problem they insist is happening so they can use it the next election cycle

case in Point As the Trump administration demands funding for a border wall to stop illegal immigration, a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings.


But in the Conservative World actual facts do not play well with the Base so they just make up their own Facts

wdmso
01-27-2022, 09:24 AM
They can get it legally Wayne. Legally. That's legal immigration you are referring to. We were talking about illegal immigration. Two very different things.

the Above is the only immigration the last administration stopped

your illegal arguments are Just a red herring .. manufactured talking point designed to outrage a Simpleton base who wouldn't work a job an illegal does , and has never lost a Job to an Illegal!

But yet they are convinced their the reason why their tax bill went up or their health insurance premium went up !

But in reality with out both legal and illegal most of America produce and meats would cost more


These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work.

And national polling backs this up. A 2016 Pew poll found that 76 percent believe undocumented immigrants are as honest and hard-working as U.S. citizens, while 71 percent said they mostly fill jobs that Americans aren't willing to do.

But only in the Conservative echo chambers these Truths are absent :cheers2:

Jim in CT
01-27-2022, 09:25 AM
who dont pay taxes, illegals dont pay taxes they dont buy things or pay rent?


What percentage of the population pays no income tax?
In total, about 42.9 percent of U.S. households paid income tax in 2021. The remaining 57.1 percent of households paid no individual income tax.

But but let's blame immigrants ...


you seem to misrepresent my position on Illegal immigration

So let me clarify it . those caught entering the US Illegally should be deported and they Are But I am a realist Illegal immigration ebbs and flows yet only conservatives suggest its a problem when they run for office or reelection it's all lip service . once in office they refuse to fix a problem they insist is happening so they can use it the next election cycle

case in Point As the Trump administration demands funding for a border wall to stop illegal immigration, a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings.


But in the Conservative World actual facts do not play well with the Base so they just make up their own Facts

they don’t pay federal income tax many times. they don’t pay social
security taxes. because they don’t have a social security number. because they aren’t legal.

many are not deported. if they are caught, they are usually released as long as they promise to appear in court. which they promise, but then donT show up.

can you please post something, which says that all
illlegals are deported when caught?
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The Dad Fisherman
01-27-2022, 09:41 AM
Literally the basis for so called "Sanctuary Cities" is to keep illegal immigrants from being turned over to INS.
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Jim in CT
01-27-2022, 09:47 AM
Literally the basis for so called "Sanctuary Cities" is to keep illegal immigrants from being turned over to INS.
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Somehow, he’ll disagree.

correction, sanctuary cities are specifically for the illegals who then commit additional crimes here. why wouldn’t we want to keep
those folks here?


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detbuch
01-28-2022, 08:07 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/texas-ag-informs-citizens-about-use-of-force-in-border-related-situations_4238484.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-01-28-3&utm_medium=email&est=WJupbj%2BQ%2BCssEuMO%2Bfu%2Fp3wARVT8Fc5WuGaTYG A2ppks6pOtQBBf5XIrZo3m%2BAD%2F

detbuch
04-01-2022, 04:20 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-biden-s-repeal-of-title-42-order-a-frightening-decision/ar-AAVLoYD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b91e97ba87f84daca607e173fa846b72

Jim in CT
04-01-2022, 05:05 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-biden-s-repeal-of-title-42-order-a-frightening-decision/ar-AAVLoYD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b91e97ba87f84daca607e173fa846b72

exactly what he needs, another unpopular policy flop.
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