What is it? What are its effects? Here's a critique on those questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKah3ngmieQ

Anyone in favor of it? Or has a different view on what it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqrqjHKA9xA&t=6s

For an actual conversation on critical race theory, I happen to know of a podcast you might be interested in.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/opinion/race-theory-us-racism.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/opinion/race-theory-us-racism.html
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I read the transcript and listened to the podcast. It is a conversation around CRT and a disclaimer of what it is not, But it is not a substantial description of what it is. Nor is it even a resounding affirmation of it. They have a general agreement that the theory as propounded in the 1970's was interesting and somewhat useful, but the panelists don't agree that the current iteration of CRT as it is being used is the same as the original. McWhorter says that it was an interesting idea that transmogrified into something that's gone over the rails.

I tried viewing a video by Kimberle Crenshaw, one of the scholars who expound the theory, but her style couldn't hold my attention.

The video I posted just before your post deals with the impact on minorities other than Black. CRT, at least the current version, seems to deal with black victimhood of white supremacy as a systemic problem. But Asians somehow manage to thrive in spite of the supposed systemic barriers against non-whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV5X7qmEao8

Is Critical Race Theory illegal?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/critical-race-theory-may-violate-civil-rights-act-the-constitution-dr-carol-swain_3868093.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-06-23&mktids=e83bb27a92229a47a727a02164e96fbf&est=m3Gb5GZfSy7kbjYdVUHhbYBuHnsVNsyYKDrDidyigXYsiv IdCGOifkN2GuVeZv6f

One of the reasons why looking at how race affects us all is important

America has a death problem.

No, I’m not just talking about the past year and a half, during which COVID-19 deaths per capita in the United States outpaced those in similarly rich countries, such as Canada, Japan, and France. And I’m not just talking about the past decade, during which drug overdoses skyrocketed in the U.S., creating a social epidemic of what are often called “deaths of despair.”

I’m talking about the past 30 years. Before the 1990s, average life expectancy in the U.S. was not much different than it was in Germany, the United Kingdom, or France. But since the 1990s, American life spans started falling significantly behind those in similarly wealthy European countries.

According to a new working paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research, Americans now die earlier than their European counterparts, no matter what age you’re looking at. Compared with Europeans, American babies are more likely to die before they turn 5, American teens are more likely to die before they turn 20, and American adults are more likely to die before they turn 65. At every age, living in the United States carries a higher risk of mortality. This is America’s unsung death penalty, and it adds up. Average life expectancy surged above 80 years old in just about every Western European country in the 2010s, including Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, the U.K., Denmark, and Switzerland. In the U.S., by contrast, the average life span has never exceeded 79—and now it’s just taken a historic tumble.


Why is the U.S. so much worse than other developed countries at performing the most basic function of civilization: keeping people alive?

“Europe has better life outcomes than the United States across the board, for white and Black people, in high-poverty areas and low-poverty areas,” Hannes Schwandt, a Northwestern University professor who co-wrote the paper, told me. “It’s important that we collect this data, so that people can ask the right questions, but the data alone does not tell us what the cause of this longevity gap is.”

Finding a straightforward explanation is hard, because there are so many differences between life in the U.S. and Europe. Americans are more likely to kill one another with guns, in large part because Americans have more guns than residents of other countries do. Americans die more from car accidents, not because our fatality rate per mile driven is unusually high but because we simply drive so much more than people in other countries. Americans also have higher rates of death from infectious disease and pregnancy complications. But what has that got to do with guns, or commuting?

By collecting data on American life spans by ethnicity and by income at the county level—and by comparing them with those of European countries, locality by locality—Schwandt and the other researchers made three important findings.

First, Europe’s mortality rates are shockingly similar between rich and poor communities. Residents of the poorest parts of France live about as long as people in the rich areas around Paris do. “Health improvements among infants, children, and youth have been disseminated within European countries in a way that includes even the poorest areas,” the paper’s authors write.

But in the U.S., which has the highest poverty and inequality of just about any country in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, where you live is much more likely to determine when you’ll die. Infants in the U.S. are considerably more likely to die in the poorest counties than in the richest counties, and this is true for both Black and white babies. Black teenagers in the poorest U.S. areas are roughly twice as likely to die before they turn 20, compared with those in the richest U.S. counties. In Europe, by contrast, the mortality rate for teenagers in the richest and poorest areas is exactly the same—12 deaths per 100,000. In America, the problem is not just that poverty is higher; it’s that the effect of poverty on longevity is greater too.


Second, even rich Europeans are outliving rich Americans. “There is an American view that egalitarian societies have more equality, but it’s all one big mediocre middle, whereas the best outcomes in the U.S. are the best outcomes in the world,” Schwandt said. But this just doesn’t seem to be the case for longevity. White Americans living in the richest 5 percent of counties still die earlier than Europeans in similarly low-poverty areas; life spans for Black Americans were shorter still. (The study did not examine other American racial groups.) “It says something negative about the overall health system of the United States that even after we grouped counties by poverty and looked at the richest 10th percentile, and even the richest fifth percentile, we still saw this longevity gap between Americans and Europeans,” he added. In fact, Europeans in extremely impoverished areas seem to live longer than Black or white Americans in the richest 10 percent of counties.

Third, Americans have a lot to learn about a surprising success story in U.S. longevity. In the three decades before COVID-19, average life spans for Black Americans surged, in rich and poor areas and across all ages. As a result, the Black-white life-expectancy gap decreased by almost half, from seven years to 3.6 years. “This is a really important story that we ought to move to the forefront of public debate,” Schwandt said. “What happened here? And how do we continue this improvement and learn from it?”


One explanation begins with science and technology. Researchers found that nothing played bigger roles in reducing mortality than improvements in treating cardiovascular disease and cancer. New drugs and therapies for high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and various treatable cancers are adding years or decades to the lives of millions of Americans of all ethnicities.

Policy also plays a starring role. Schwandt credits the Medicaid expansion in the 1990s, which covered pregnant women and children and likely improved Black Americans’ access to medical treatments. He cites the expansion of the earned-income tax credit and other financial assistance, which have gradually reduced poverty. He also points to reductions in air pollution. “Black Americans have been more likely than white Americans to live in more-polluted areas,” he said. But air pollution has declined more than 70 percent since the 1970s, according to the EPA, and most of that decline happened during the 30-year period of this mortality research.

Other factors that have reduced the Black-white life-expectancy gap include the increase in deaths of despair, which disproportionately kill white Americans, and—up until 2018—a decline in homicides, which disproportionately kill Black Americans. (The recent rise in homicides, along with the disproportionate number of nonwhite Americans who have died of COVID-19, will likely reduce Black life spans.)


Even then, Black infants in high-poverty U.S. counties are three times more likely to die before the age of 5 than white infants in low-poverty counties. But Schwandt insists that highlighting our progress is important in helping us solve the larger American death problem. “We are wired to care more about bad news than about good news,” he said. “When life expectancy rises slightly, nobody cares. But when life expectancy declines, suddenly we’re up in arms. I think that’s a tragedy, because to improve the health and well-being of our populations, and especially of our disadvantaged populations, we have to give attention to positive achievements so that we can learn from them.”

We’re a long way from a complete understanding of the American mortality penalty. But these three facts—the superior outcomes of European countries with lower poverty and universal insurance, the equality of European life spans between rich and poor areas, and the decline of the Black-white longevity gap in America coinciding with greater insurance protection and anti-poverty spending—all point to the same conclusion: Our lives and our life spans are more interconnected than you might think.

For decades, U.S. politicians on the right have resisted calls for income redistribution and universal insurance under the theory that inequality was a fair price to pay for freedom. But now we know that the price of inequality is paid in early death—for Americans of all races, ages, and income levels. With or without a pandemic, when it comes to keeping Americans alive, we really are all in this together.

Derek Thompson is a staff writer at The Atlantic, where he writes about economics, technology, and the media.

One of the reasons why looking at how race affects us all is important

America has a death problem.



Critical Race Theory is going to solve America's death problem?

You have a complete misconception of what critical race theory is
How surprising
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You have a complete misconception of what critical race theory is
How surprising


So Critical Race Theory is not going to solve our death problem?

So Critical Race Theory is not going to solve our death problem?

It's the Hair-Restoring, Hemorhoid-soothing, life-prolonging miracle elixir we've been waiting for.

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So Critical Race Theory is not going to solve our death problem?

Just like in the rest of life, only propaganda and gaslighting provide a simple, elegant and incorrect solution to a problem.
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Just like in the rest of life, only propaganda and gaslighting provide a simple, elegant and incorrect solution to a problem.
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Since the subject of this thread is Critical Race Theory, one might assume that you are suggesting that it is propaganda and gaslighting.

Just like in the rest of life, only propaganda and gaslighting provide a simple, elegant and incorrect solution to a problem.
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Critical Race Theory IS gaslighting and propaganda:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjh8VcPMys

Poor starving victim

How The Rise Of White Identity Politics Explains The Fight Over Critical Race Theory

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-rise-of-white-identity-politics-explains-the-fight-over-critical-race-theory/
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Poor starving victim

How The Rise Of White Identity Politics Explains The Fight Over Critical Race Theory

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-rise-of-white-identity-politics-explains-the-fight-over-critical-race-theory/
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do schools teach which political party was on the wrong side of the slavery and segregation issues? i bet not.

if today’s whites are responsible for slavery, why aren’t today’s democrats.
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Not a political science student are you?
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do schools teach which political party was on the wrong side of the slavery and segregation issues? i bet not.

if today’s whites are responsible for slavery, why aren’t today’s democrats.
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Today, Black Americans are the strongest Democratic constituency and White Southerners are the strongest Republican group—but it used to be the other way around. The usual story places 1960s civil rights policymaking at the center of the switch, but an important prior history in the North and the South made it possible. Keneshia Grant finds that the Great Migration north changed the Democratic Party because Black voters became pivotal in Democratic cities like New York, Chicago, and Detroit, leading politicians to respond, including new Black elected officials. Boris Heersink finds that Southern Republican state parties became battles between racially mixed and lily-white factions, mostly for control of patronage due to national convention influence. The lily-white takeovers enabled early Republican gains in the South. These trends predated national civil rights policymaking and help explain how we reached today’s divided regional and racial politics.

https://www.niskanencenter.org/the-roots-of-the-parties-racial-switch/
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Not a political science student are you?
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enough to know which party fought for slavery, fought for segregation, fights against school choice, and is in charge of the majority of our large urban cities, which have seen a Holocaust of fatherlessness after 50 years of one-party rule. oh, the same party which refused to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever, at Trumps state of the union.

a white kid who’s a descendent of John Brown, owes something because of collective guilt over slavery? makes all kinds of sense
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Poor starving victim

I didn't realize that I was starving. I don't feel like I am. Not losing any weight. Bur if you say so, it must be true.
Thanks for telling me. I'll tell Biden, and, for sure, he'll see to it that I get some food. I have noticed that my food prices have gone up quite a bit. And for everything else too. I'm sure he's on it. We're good.

How The Rise Of White Identity Politics Explains The Fight Over Critical Race Theory

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-rise-of-white-identity-politics-explains-the-fight-over-critical-race-theory/
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The "critical difference between my video and your article re CRT is that my video analyzes in detail various aspects of CRT but your article doesn't. Barely talks about it at all. Your article is, like CRT--gaslighting.

enough to know which party fought for slavery, fought for segregation, fights against school choice, and is in charge of the majority of our large urban cities, which have seen a Holocaust of fatherlessness after 50 years of one-party rule. oh, the same party which refused to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever, at Trumps state of the union.

a white kid who’s a descendent of John Brown, owes something because of collective guilt over slavery? makes all kinds of sense
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The anti-CRT bills, threats, & protests copy almost verbatim the racist language of Massive Resistance, Citizens Councils, & the Klan, even down to the red-baiting.

Impressive
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The anti-CRT bills, threats, & protests copy almost verbatim the racist language of Massive Resistance, Citizens Councils, & the Klan, even down to the red-baiting.

Impressive
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There you go again with analysis by comparisons--actually, not even analysis. Your look at this other shiny object methodology is, here's a comparison for you, your methodology is like a sort of gaslighting.

Actually it is a form of gaslighting. You try to convince us by deflecting to something else in order to convince us that what is obvious actual analysis as in my video is not true.

My video is actually an analysis of CRT, not a deflection to another subject. Go ahead and deal with the content of the video . . . if you can.

You have a complete misconception of what critical race theory is
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I heard Condoleeza talking about CRT recently....but you probably know much more about education, academia, racism and even more about being black than she does :)

Go ahead and deal with the content of the video . . . if you can.



every time I think pete can't become more unhinged...he impresses me

I heard Condoleeza talking about CRT recently....but you probably know much more about education, academia, racism and even more about being black than she does :)

msnbc host today said Rice is just a mouthpiece for white supremacy. Nice!

let’s force kids to learn everything about slavery and segregation, except that it was the democrats who fought to keep those institutions. that part we keep secret.
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let’s force kids to learn everything about slavery and segregation, except that it was the democrats who fought to keep those institutions. that part we keep secret.
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If you keep saying this my head is going to explode. I don't believe you're an actuarial if you are really this dense.

If you keep saying this my head is going to explode. I don't believe you're an actuarial if you are really this dense.

so it wasn’t the democrats who fought for slavery and segregation, who oppose school
choice, and created modern day plantations in our cities?
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Let’s see, in the full 116th Congress, the overwhelming majority of racial and ethnic nonwhite members are Democrats (90%), while just 10% are Republicans.
I guess the rest didn’t get your memo
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If you keep saying this my head is going to explode. I don't believe you're an actuarial if you are really this dense.

Did you refer to Jim as “an actuarial” and then call him dense?
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Let’s see, in the full 116th Congress, the overwhelming majority of racial and ethnic nonwhite members are Democrats (90%), while just 10% are Republicans.
I guess the rest didn’t get your memo
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not what i asked

which party fought for slavery, segregation, against school
choice?

i’m well aware of how blacks vote.

any chance you can just answer
my question?
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not what i asked

which party fought for slavery, segregation, against school
choice?

i’m well aware of how blacks vote.

any chance you can just answer
my question?
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I’ve answered your question plenty of times
It’s pretty simple to find how the parties flipped sides on race in the past century
You can ignore history but can’t rewrite it
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I’ve answered your question plenty of times
It’s pretty simple to find how the parties flipped sides on race in the past century
You can ignore history but can’t rewrite it
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Oh…the old "party flipping" conspiracy theory again….that’s a good one……


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I’ve answered your question plenty of times
It’s pretty simple to find how the parties flipped sides on race in the past century
You can ignore history but can’t rewrite it
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no, you’ve “said” the parties flipped on race, you haven’t shown it.


the gop is for slavery and segregation?

the liberals oppose school
choice, didn’t cheer for record low black unemployment at Trumps SOTU ( but they cheered and danced for themselves), they sit by and do nothing while liberal welfare inflicts a Holocaust of fatherlessness into blacks, they kept robert byrd in the senate for 375 years…

it’s all lip service. look at what liberals are doing to blacks in the big cities. everything about liberalism is designed to keep poor bocks in the big cities, and to keep them poor and dependent on government so they have a reliable voting block.
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it’s all lip service. look at what liberals are doing to blacks in the big cities. everything about liberalism is designed to keep poor bocks in the big cities, and to keep them poor and dependent on government so they have a reliable voting block.
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I thought everything wasn’t a conspiracy ?

That didn’t last long
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Nice Jim, let's grab a perceived inaccuracy within the argument, proceed to attack the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of it by calling it "deceitful & extreme" so the bystanders pay attention to the "inaccuracy" & the core issue is completely downplayed. How was that called? Straw-man fallacy? lol..
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I thought everything wasn’t a conspiracy ?

That didn’t last long
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not every buses that’s different from yours, is a paranoid conspiracy.

the social science couldn’t be more clear, the root cause of then issues facing blacks today is fatherlessness. i don’t say that because i like it. i say it because it’s true.

but all liberals want to do, is give them slightly larger welfare checks, where of course the welfare check is even larger when there’s no man around, which incentivizes fatherlessness. so after 50 years of this, it’s hard not to conclude that it’s intentional. either that, or your side is too stupid to see the evidence right in front of their faces.

it’s not some wild conspiracy. it’s what’s happening.
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Written by Dahleen Glanton

This Father’s Day, I’d like to do something that is long overdue. I’m going to praise African-American men.

Not my own father, who had a profound effect on my life, but the countless other black men who strive, even under the most challenging circumstances, to be good dads.

Some people will argue that such men are rare, or that they do not exist.

They blame the violence and other social ills of impoverished communities on the absence of black men in their children’s lives. They pretend as though single-parent homes are exclusive to African-Americans, and use this misinformation to make moral judgments about black women and the men who father their children.

They paint all black men with one broad stroke, as chronic baby-makers who abandon their responsibilities even before their children are born. And they paint the sons of these black men with the same brush, condemning them to repeat the mistakes learned from their birth fathers.

They ignore the accomplishments of men like Barack Obama, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, baseball great Jackie Robinson, playwright August Wilson, Stevie Wonder and Malcolm X — all raised without their biological fathers in the home and became great men.

I could say that the common stereotype of the black man as a deadbeat father is only a myth. But the truth is much more sinister. It is a lie that was planted the moment black men set foot on American soil as slaves, and it has been cultivated for generations with plenty of help from the media.

Could some black men do a better job of raising their children? Absolutely. But so could some white men, Hispanic men, Asian men and others.

Studies have shown that a father’s involvement increases a child’s chances for academic success and reduces the chances of delinquency and substance abuse. But it is not a panacea for all the social issues that contribute to violence and other issues that plague poor African-American communities. Factors such as joblessness, economic disinvestment and institutional racism are beyond any father’s control.

It is indeed troubling, though, that nearly 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock, according to government statistics. The number far exceeds the 29 percent of white children, 53 percent of Hispanic children and 12 percent of Asian children born in similar circumstances.

But marital status doesn’t tell the whole story.

Statistics also show that 36 percent of white males divorce. But no one questions their relationship with the children they leave behind. The truth is there is no evidence proving that black men who never married their child’s mother care less about their children than white men who divorced theirs.

Five years ago, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a report that debunked several stereotypes about black fathers. According to the report, African-American dads, in fact, spend more time in their children’s day-to-day lives than those in other ethnic groups.

The survey, which was conducted by the National Center for Health Statistics, found that 70 percent of African-American fathers who live with young children bathed, diapered, dressed or helped their kids use the toilet every day, compared with 60 percent of white fathers and 45 percent of Latino fathers.

While all fathers, regardless of race, who live away from their children tend to spend less time with them, the study found that black fathers are no less involved in their children’s lives than other dads. More than half of black fathers talk to their kids about their day several times a week or more. That’s a higher percentage than white or Latino fathers who live apart from their children.

The Pew Research Center found similar evidence of black father involvement. Though black fathers are more likely to live apart from their children, 67 percent of them see their kids at least once a month, compared with 59 percent of white fathers and 32 percent of Hispanic fathers.

What can we surmise from this? There are lots of good African-American fathers out there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

Written by Dahleen Glanton

This Father’s Day, I’d like to do something that is long overdue. I’m going to praise African-American men.

Not my own father, who had a profound effect on my life, but the countless other black men who strive, even under the most challenging circumstances, to be good dads.

Some people will argue that such men are rare, or that they do not exist.

They blame the violence and other social ills of impoverished communities on the absence of black men in their children’s lives. They pretend as though single-parent homes are exclusive to African-Americans, and use this misinformation to make moral judgments about black women and the men who father their children.

They paint all black men with one broad stroke, as chronic baby-makers who abandon their responsibilities even before their children are born. And they paint the sons of these black men with the same brush, condemning them to repeat the mistakes learned from their birth fathers.

They ignore the accomplishments of men like Barack Obama, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, baseball great Jackie Robinson, playwright August Wilson, Stevie Wonder and Malcolm X — all raised without their biological fathers in the home and became great men.

I could say that the common stereotype of the black man as a deadbeat father is only a myth. But the truth is much more sinister. It is a lie that was planted the moment black men set foot on American soil as slaves, and it has been cultivated for generations with plenty of help from the media.

Could some black men do a better job of raising their children? Absolutely. But so could some white men, Hispanic men, Asian men and others.

Studies have shown that a father’s involvement increases a child’s chances for academic success and reduces the chances of delinquency and substance abuse. But it is not a panacea for all the social issues that contribute to violence and other issues that plague poor African-American communities. Factors such as joblessness, economic disinvestment and institutional racism are beyond any father’s control.

It is indeed troubling, though, that nearly 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock, according to government statistics. The number far exceeds the 29 percent of white children, 53 percent of Hispanic children and 12 percent of Asian children born in similar circumstances.

But marital status doesn’t tell the whole story.

Statistics also show that 36 percent of white males divorce. But no one questions their relationship with the children they leave behind. The truth is there is no evidence proving that black men who never married their child’s mother care less about their children than white men who divorced theirs.

Five years ago, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a report that debunked several stereotypes about black fathers. According to the report, African-American dads, in fact, spend more time in their children’s day-to-day lives than those in other ethnic groups.

The survey, which was conducted by the National Center for Health Statistics, found that 70 percent of African-American fathers who live with young children bathed, diapered, dressed or helped their kids use the toilet every day, compared with 60 percent of white fathers and 45 percent of Latino fathers.

While all fathers, regardless of race, who live away from their children tend to spend less time with them, the study found that black fathers are no less involved in their children’s lives than other dads. More than half of black fathers talk to their kids about their day several times a week or more. That’s a higher percentage than white or Latino fathers who live apart from their children.

The Pew Research Center found similar evidence of black father involvement. Though black fathers are more likely to live apart from their children, 67 percent of them see their kids at least once a month, compared with 59 percent of white fathers and 32 percent of Hispanic fathers.

What can we surmise from this? There are lots of good African-American fathers out there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

"Some people will argue that such men are rare, or that they do not exist."

No one ever, ever said that good black dads don't exist. Pete, you yourself do this all the time, you respond to something no one ever said.

(1) 75% of black babies are born without a father.

(2) kids, especially boys, need a good strong Dad.

Again, I don't post those things because it supports a cause of mine. I post them because they are obviously true

"70 percent of African-American fathers who live with young children bathed, diapered, dressed or helped their kids use the toilet every day"

Irrelevant. No ne is saying that black fathers who are there, aren't doing a good job. The problem is too many kids don't have a dad.
Duh.

"there is no evidence proving that black men who never married their child’s mother care less about their children than white men who divorced theirs."

Again, no one is making that claim, so who cares.

"Though black fathers are more likely to live apart from their children, 67 percent of them see their kids at least once a month"

Wow!! Seeing your kid once a month!! I'm so impressed!! I was all worried about nothing!

Kids born to poverty in urban cities (disproportionately black) REALLY need good strong dads. And most of those kids don't have them, which is the best guarantee in the world, of continuing the cycle of poverty.

What a profoundly stupid post.

And you proved my point. For political reasons, you're willing to deny what the real problem is. Which means, you don't care about fixing the problem. You thought you were refuting me, when of course you did the opposite. The exact opposite. You'd rather feel like you won a political argument with a nobody who you'll never meet, than just admit the glaringly obvious. You can't admit the glaringly obvious unless it supports liberalism.

Seeing your kid once a month makes you a responsible dad. Give me a f-cking break. You're beyond stupid. If a liberal said "the earth is flat", that's good enough for you. You think the rates of seeing your child once a month, is a barometer for whether or not a group has good dads.

All kids, of all races, need good dads. The consequences of fatherlessness don't differ much by race. But fatherlessness is WAY more rampant in the black community than it is for other races.

For Gods sake Pete, if racism was a big factor in anything, why are Asians the most economically successful ethnicity in the country? Asians are wealthier than whites. How could that possibly happen in a nation of white supremacists?

Answer - Asian culture places huge importance on strong families, and the incredible power of education and hard work. That's it. Nothing to do with race. Zip.

No one ever, ever said that good black dads don't exist. Pete, you yourself do this all the time, you respond to something no one ever said.



pete hears things a lot...it gives him the opportunity to go find lots of words to cut and paste....it's like virtual scrapbooking or something

pete hears things a lot...it gives him the opportunity to go find lots of words to cut and paste....it's like virtual scrapbooking or something

they all do it. the author of that stupid article sure did it.

i guess it’s the only card you have left, when you know that you can’t respond to what someone actually said, without embarrassing yourself

they never, ever respond to the question why, if were a racist country, asians do better than whites

And one side has had enough of how well asians are doing, and is now illegally denying asian students admission to elite schools. it ain’t conservatives doing that.
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Never a trope that Jim doesn't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nYUUhigTU

Never a trope that Jim doesn't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nYUUhigTU

your video presumes that huge numbers of unmarried dads, provide the same “father” experience, as dads in the hime.

are you stupid enough to believe that? all those black babies born in the city to teenage girls, you’re saying those biological fathers are the same father figure, as the average dad who is married and in the home?

do you honestly believe that kids born out of wedlock have the same average “father” experience as kids born with a dad in the hime? are you that stupid? just because someone says it in a video, means it’s true?

go to an urban high school
sometime, ask the teachers about the dads they see at parent teacher conferences. and the dads they never see.
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Never a trope that Jim doesn't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nYUUhigTU

what bullsh*t!

at the 2:06 mark, the video shows a graph for a split second ( didn’t want to leave it up too long i guess), which shows by race, the % of dads who are involved with their children. blacks did great compared to whites.

then very quickly, it showed the stats by race, for dads who arent in the home. and that also showed that blacks compare well to whites.

what the narrator conveniently ignored, was that if you compare the stats on contact with children for dads in the home to dads out of the home, there was a huge decrease in the percentage of dads that were involved. that huge decrease was true for all races. and it’s common sense that would be the case. it’s hard to be an involved parent when you aren’t there. regardless of race.

i’m not saying black dads who aren’t in the home, are more neglectful than white dads who aren’t in the home. no one is saying that.

what i am saying ( and which your own video shows) is that when dads aren’t in the home, REGARDLESS OF RACE, they are much less likely to be a good, involved dad. your video explicitly confirms this at the 2:06 mark.

so my statement ( dads not in the home usually aren’t involved dads) is true, your own post confirms it.

and we know that black kids are far less likely to have a dad in the home.

but those two stats together, and you get the obvious truth that black kids are less likely to have a good, involved dad, because they’re less likely to have a dad in the home. that’s the fatherlessness holocaust in our cities.

lack of a dad in the house is bad, regardless of race. but it’s a much bigger issue for blacks, because of the rates of fatherlessness.

Yeah Pete, you’ve really got me in the ropes! Have mercy!

go to the 2:06 mark, look at the graphs on the left ( how i combed are dads in the home) compare to the graph on the right ( how involved are dads who aren’t in the home).

Idiot.




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not every buses that’s different from yours, is a paranoid conspiracy.

the social science couldn’t be more clear, the root cause of then issues facing blacks today is fatherlessness. i don’t say that because i like it. i say it because it’s true.

but all liberals want to do, is give them slightly larger welfare checks, where of course the welfare check is even larger when there’s no man around, which incentivizes fatherlessness. so after 50 years of this, it’s hard not to conclude that it’s intentional. either that, or your side is too stupid to see the evidence right in front of their faces.

it’s not some wild conspiracy. it’s what’s happening.
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liberalism is designed to keep poor bocks in the big cities, and to keep them poor and dependent on government so they have a reliable voting block.

That’s ^^^^ a conspiracy Jim

You did mention it sorry

inflicts a Holocaust of fatherlessness into blacks

Wow.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/10/the-dangerous-myth-of-the-missing-black-father/

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/12/the-assumptions-behind-obamas-initiative/its-a-myth-that-black-fathers-are-absent?.?mc=aud_dev&ad-keywords=auddevgate&gclid=CjwKCAjwzt6LBhBeEiwAbPGOgbB0W6rtTyLKzzYHbfKi Tl6oWCHcKdLGRIGSvk1n3BaOPOz-V8NgGBoCmeEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) spoke out on the protests surrounding the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore, linking the violence to a "lack of fathers" in an interview with right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham

I came through the train on Baltimore [sic] last night, I'm glad the train didn't stop," Paul said, laughing.

I doubt Paul’s comments were for Ingraham’s black audience

Are there Black fathers not taking their responsibilities seriously? Of course.

Does that mean that Black fathers overall should be stereotyped as irresponsible? Only if you’re detached from the realities and nuances of Black life.

The “Black fatherlessness” anthem is sung mostly by conservatives eager to summarily dismiss empirically true claims of structural racism. Deadbeat dad noir is their reliable weapon of choice to extinguish claims that the white power structure harms Blacks.

https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2021/06/20/the-myth-of-the-absent-black-father/

Seems to be a conservatives driven observation

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liberalism is designed to keep poor bocks in the big cities, and to keep them poor and dependent on government so they have a reliable voting block.

That’s a conspiracy Jim

PS you never mentioned black fatherless nor did I

Moving the goal post again shocking
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maybe it is a conspiracy, but that doesn’t mean it’s false. why does the media brutally go after the small umber if blacks who are conservative? an msnbc host said recently that Condaleeza Rice is a foot soldier of white supremacy. Nice.

you also claimed i made up a false conspiracy between the media and the democrats.

did you hear that nancy pelosi recently scolded the media for not doing a good enough job “selling” the $3.5 trillion democrat spending bill?

Why would speaker pelosi feel
like she should be able to expect the media to help her in this way? why do you suppose she was expecting more assistance from the media in “selling” her agenda to americans?

answer- because that’s what the media does, so pelosi was counting on it.
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So Jim, just what is your solution?
Sterilization?
Remove the children?
Make them go to church, oops Asians go least and blacks go most.

or Parental leave and support, child care and early childhood education?

So Jim, just what is your solution?
Sterilization?
Remove the children?
Make them go to church, oops Asians go least and blacks go most.

or Parental leave and support, child care and early childhood education?

yes pete, my solution is sterilization.

it’s your side that puts an abortion clinic on every corner in the cities. you don’t want too many.

the solution is first, saying out loud the obvious truth that by far, by far, the best way for children to grow up is in a traditional nuclear family. we can stop saying masculinity is toxic. and most obviously, we can stop paying teenage girls a bonus for having babies without a dad around. that’s what we do today. the welfare check is higher if there’s no dad. that incentivizes girls to have babies without a dad. we can stop making sex more and more of a casual, transactional act.

when that welfare lunacy was proposed ( more money for childless fathers), the late great Daniel Patrick Moynihan ( liberal democrat senator from NY) brilliantly predicted that it would destroy the black nuclear family, which would be an economic and cultural disaster for blacks. that’s what he said, he was attacked for saying it, and yet he was exactly correct.

another great solution is to somehow get people to go back to church on sundays.

pete, asian families stick
together like glue. they work their fingers to the bone. guess what?? that works! we can point to that cultural model, and encourage others to emulate it. your side won’t do that, because to them the nuclear family is an anachronism, it’s not progressive.

again, i dont say “that works” simply because that supports my agenda. i say “that works” because the data absolutely could not be more clear, it just works.

obama had a unique ability to move the cultural needle
in the right direction on these issues. he did absolutely nothing.

the conservative solution to this problem, is to find what works, and somehow try to expand it. and to find what doesn’t work, and try to reduce it, to discourage it.

the liberal solution, is to repeat exactly what got us into this mess. more of the same. more welfare, more fatherless kids getting into to trouble. not even letting them choose to go to schools which work.

try making that wrong. you can’t.
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Pete, do you believe that Asian-Americans are somehow biologically superior to blacks? do you have reason to believe that if blacks behaved like asians ( families stick together, kids do 4 hours of homework every single day), that blacks wouldn’t have the same results?

you are frozen by that question. if you say blacks wouldn’t do as well, you’re a racist. if you concede they’d do as well, you’re admitting they don’t need liberalism, they just need to make better decisions.
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Ah, the Nancy solution
Just say no and get married
Ok
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Ah, the Nancy solution
Just say no and get married
Ok
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didn’t say that. but between STDs and unwanted pregnancies, it seems to me that there’s a meaningful downside to casual sex. not to you, though. good for you.

to the surprise of no one, you ignored my question about blacks and asians. you can’t go near anything that’s not pro-left. you just can’t.
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didn’t say that. but between STDs and unwanted pregnancies, it seems to me that there’s a meaningful downside to casual sex. not to you, though. good for you.

to the surprise of no one, you ignored my question about blacks and asians. you can’t go near anything that’s not pro-left. you just can’t.
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Because once again you have thrown out a red herring, to distract from the issue of existing and systemic racial inequality.
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Because once again you have thrown out a red herring, to distract from the issue of existing and systemic racial inequality.
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pointing to one groups success, and asking how we can get others to try and emulate that success, is a red herring? or just politically inconvenient for you?

makes all kinds of sense.

how can there be widespread racial
inequality, if Asians, not whites, are the most economically successful race in the nation?

the right wants to fix what’s wrong in the cities, that’s the last thing democrats want.
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Actually what Moynihan wanted and Nixon did was a guaranteed basic income, where nobody would be below the poverty level and there would be no strings attached.
By the way, the idea has re-emerged
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pointing to one groups success, and asking how we can get others to try and emulate that success, is a red herring? or just politically inconvenient for you?

makes all kinds of sense.
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What’s the point of your question?
Because Asians perform better in the educational system?
So do girls and you have expressed concerns about toxic masculinity.

You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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Actually what Moynihan wanted and Nixon did was a guaranteed basic income, where nobody would be below the poverty level and there would be no strings attached.
By the way, the idea has re-emerged
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what moynihan didn’t want, was giving teenage girls a financial incentive to have babies out of wedlock. moynihan wanted a lot of things in life i’m
sure, but as pertains to this issue, he did not want government taking a wrecking ball to the black nuclear family.

every speck of evidence suggests he was right..
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What’s the point of your question?
Because Asians perform better in the educational system?
So do girls and you have expressed concerns about toxic masculinity.

You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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there are two points to my question.

(1) since non-whites are the most economically successful ethnicity in the US, it’s a stretch ( actually, it’s a pile of horsesh*t) to suggest there’s widespread racial discrimination.

(2). why can’t we expand in the approach that works amazingly well for asians, and advocate for policies that encourage other struggling groups to do the same things?

the main point was to bitch slap you into a corner from which you had no possible escape. because this simple post shows that the people
running the cities, don’t actually want blacks to do well, otherwise they’d be encouraging blacks to emulate the behavior of those who succeed.

i would never suggest that boys don’t do as well because of bigotry against men. i’d say it’s because they don’t work as hard. if i borrowed a page from your book, i’d say it was because the system is rigged against men, but i know that’s crap.

it’s your side that blames everything on race, making helpless victims out of blacks instead of giving them
the tools they need to succeed. because for democrats, the goal
isn’t to get them to succeed. the goal is to create a permanent underclass of reliable democratic voters.
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maybe it is a conspiracy, but that doesn’t mean it’s false.
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AMAZING :bgi:

Texas reduces Black and Hispanic majority congressional districts in proposed map, despite people of color fueling population growth
The proposed congressional map also increases the number of districts where Trump would have had a majority of voters over Biden in 2020 and protects Republican incumbents who might have been vulnerable by packing their districts with more Trump voters.


BUT BUT CRT

if you can win on your own! or get more members to vote for your ideas Just cheat to win elections brought to you by the GOP

there are two points to my question.

(1) since non-whites are the most economically successful ethnicity in the US, it’s a stretch ( actually, it’s a pile of horsesh*t) to suggest there’s widespread racial discrimination.

(2). why can’t we expand in the approach that works amazingly well for asians, and advocate for policies that encourage other struggling groups to do the same things?

the main point was to bitch slap you into a corner from which you had no possible escape. because this simple post shows that the people
running the cities, don’t actually want blacks to do well, otherwise they’d be encouraging blacks to emulate the behavior of those who succeed.

i would never suggest that boys don’t do as well because of bigotry against men. i’d say it’s because they don’t work as hard. if i borrowed a page from your book, i’d say it was because the system is rigged against men, but i know that’s crap.

it’s your side that blames everything on race, making helpless victims out of blacks instead of giving them
the tools they need to succeed. because for democrats, the goal
isn’t to get them to succeed. the goal is to create a permanent underclass of reliable democratic voters.
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You do know meth is bad for you
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You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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You do know that babies who have fathers who work get to see them after work, before work and on weekends and holidays right?
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You do know that babies who have fathers who work get to see them after work, before work and on weekends and holidays right?
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good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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Also vacations
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Also vacations
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if you read that, you’d conclude he thinks that all working dads, work 24 hours a day.
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if you read that, you’d conclude he thinks that all working dads, work 24 hours a day.
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He thinks some pretty funny stuff
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You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.
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You do know that babies who have fathers who work get to see them after work, before work and on weekends and holidays right?
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good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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Also vacations
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if you read that, you’d conclude he thinks that all working dads, work 24 hours a day.
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He thinks some pretty funny stuff
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Absolute proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.

Absolute proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.

Pete, for gods sake, paternity leave applies to the first few weeks of a baby's life. Kids, especially boys, need dads for their entire childhood, not just the first 8 weeks.

Let me know if that's going too fast for you.

"who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers"

No one ever said it's "all" because of lack of fathers (hearing voices again). But it's the single largest contributor. The only folks who deny that, are those with a vested interest in denying it. In your case, that vested interest is a desperate, pathetic need to always protect your master, liberalism.

there are two points to my question.

(1) since non-whites are the most economically successful ethnicity in the US, it’s a stretch ( actually, it’s a pile of horsesh*t) to suggest there’s widespread racial discrimination.

(2). why can’t we expand in the approach that works amazingly well for asians, and advocate for policies that encourage other struggling groups to do the same things?

the main point was to bitch slap you into a corner from which you had no possible escape. because this simple post shows that the people
running the cities, don’t actually want blacks to do well, otherwise they’d be encouraging blacks to emulate the behavior of those who succeed.

i would never suggest that boys don’t do as well because of bigotry against men. i’d say it’s because they don’t work as hard. if i borrowed a page from your book, i’d say it was because the system is rigged against men, but i know that’s crap.

it’s your side that blames everything on race, making helpless victims out of blacks instead of giving them
the tools they need to succeed. because for democrats, the goal
isn’t to get them to succeed. the goal is to create a permanent underclass of reliable democratic voters.
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Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem why is that the highest number of Black Americans can be found in Texas (3.96 million), Florida (3.70 million), Georgia (3.54 million) or if you do it as a percentage of population It's Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia and Maryland.
Which Side controls those states?

There is a list below that you can rebut to prove that systematic racism doesn't exist.

There was a time where White people in America were not ashamed of racism and flaunted it openly. White racists documented for the world to see, their systemic efforts to build advantages for themselves, while simultaneously disadvantaging those they called a myriad of different names to separate them from membership in their group. In other words, racism was not hidden. The evidence of systemic racism is copious in books, manuscripts, memoirs, laws, public debates, legislative halls and numerous famous court cases.

To argue that systemic racism is a myth is to erase all of those sources of evidence. It is impossible to do so. So those who make the argument have been forced to use one of the oldest tricks known to man, they blame the victims for their condition. I’ve previously written about victim blaming on a number of occasions so I won’t rehash that here. Simply put, victim blaming is finding some characteristic shared by members of a class of people you want to treat poorly, and using that as the rationale for treating them poorly.

For Native Americans it took the form of blaming them for “wasting” the land by not using the land in the way Europeans wanted to use it. For Africans kidnapped and forced to work for free for two and a half centuries, America called them lazy and dumb while making them work sixteen to eighteen hour days and also making it illegal for them to learn to read and write. For those who one day were citizens of Mexico and then forced to be Americans with the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was calling their language and traditions uncivilized. Those who migrated from Asia were told their way of life was poisonous to this nation and they themselves were a “yellow peril.”

All of these things are copiously documented by White people. Their words in speeches, books, court decisions and numerous other places provide all the evidence needed to prove the existence of long-term systemic racism. Can people who want to shame other Whites into not learning this ugly history erase this evidence? Of course they can’t. Instead they try to double down on the lies we all learned in school about America. Lies are becoming quite the rage over the last four years.

If these deniers of systemic racism are right, then certain fundamental things must be either true or false. Let’s explore a long list of some of these things. Only a fool or liar would deny these things if they spent a little time at a local library or bookstore.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then people of African descent must have voluntarily left their families, friends, and communities by placing themselves in chains and sitting on the coast of Africa waiting for thousands of slaving ships over nearly four hundred years to arrive and take them to an unknown land so that they could work for free.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then millions of Indigenous people must have gotten together and decided that the millions of square miles of homelands they loved were worthless and should be given to strange men from afar so that they could disassociate themselves from their cultures and traditions.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Africans and Native people must have seen a great benefit in working for free from before the sun rose until well after it set, all to give the fruits of their labor to these people who called themselves Christians.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Native leaders who convinced their people to fight people with superior weapons must have just simply wanted to see their families and friends slaughtered for the pure fun of it.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Africans who escaped their captivity by fleeing to the brutal winters in Canada must have really preferred freezing to death to living in the comfort of what Isabel Wilkerson called the “warmth of other suns.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those people of European ancestry must have some real advantage intellectually, and never feared giving Africans a level playing field by allowing them to read and write for generations.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then African and Native women must have been detestable creatures that White men could only find sexually attractive as rape victims.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then White women who slept with Black men while their husbands and mates were away fighting the Civil War, had no attraction to the forbidden fruit known as “negro brutes” by their husbands.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then all of the African ancestored people called mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc. really did not have the blood of White rapists coursing through their veins, they were simply born with pale skin, blue eyes and non-curly hair.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Black people who were given barely edible scraps like the intestines of the hog by Whites really saw no value in eating high off the hog as Whites did.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Thomas Jefferson never said “ I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Supreme Court in the famous Dred Scott case did not say about Blacks that, “They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then President Andrew Jackson in his fifth annual message to the country never said this about native Americans. “They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Theodore Roosevelt never said this about Native Americans. “The settler and pioneer have at bottom had justice on their side; this great continent could not have been kept as nothing but a game preserve for squalid savages. Moreover, to the most oppressed Indian nations the whites often acted as a protection, or, at least, they deferred instead of hastening their fate.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming did not at one time have a law on the books prohibiting marriage of Asians (they used the term Mongoloids) and Whites.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then a Georgia court in 1869 did not rule that, “The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural but is always productive of deplorable results.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Alabama did not write a law stating, “It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the Federal Housing Administration underwriting manual did not include an article stating “The infiltration of inharmonious racial groups will produce the same effects as those which follow the introduction of nonconforming land uses which tend to lower the levels of land values and to lessen the desirability of residential areas.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Justice Department in 2012 did not find evidence of widespread mortgage lending discrimination by Wells Fargo Bank and say that “African-American and Hispanic wholesale borrowers paid more than non-Hispanic white wholesale borrowers, not based on borrower risk, but because of their race or national origin. Wells Fargo’s business practice allowed its loan officers and mortgage brokers to vary a loan’s interest rate and other fees from the price it set based on the borrower’s objective credit-related factors . This subjective and unguided pricing discretion resulted in African-American and Hispanic borrowers paying more. The complaint alleges that Wells Fargo was aware the fees and interest rates it was charging discriminated against African-American and Hispanic borrowers, but the actions it took were insufficient and ineffective in stopping it.”

I could continue with a significantly longer list. I’ll suffice it to say that the examples stated above provide evidence of the longstanding practices, polices and beliefs which are the core of systemic racism. It is not hidden history, it was simply omitted history. The facts were and still are left out of what we learn about American history to our detriment. As a result, many still cling to the belief that America has always supported freedom, justice and liberty for all. Contrary to Trump’s executive order no one is teaching Americans to hate their country. That’s like saying that if you tell a person to learn that they got what they had because of the advantage of being White that they should hate America.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color.

For those who choose to continue believing these things, you are a part of the problem. Your denials are counterproductive and tell us why there is so much division in this country today. The United States of America is at the proverbial fork in the road. 2020 will go down as a squandered opportunity to finally tell the truth as Germany and South Africa (regardless of how flawed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa has been) both did about their horrible pasts. It could possibly go down as the year we finally expanded our truth telling of the racism embedded in the basic fabric of America. White Americans of “goodwill” must decide which path we take. People of color have done their part by sharing their stories.
Written by Reggie Jackson

Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem why is that the highest number of Black Americans can be found in Texas (3.96 million), Florida (3.70 million), Georgia (3.54 million) or if you do it as a percentage of population It's Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia and Maryland.
Which Side controls those states?

There is a list below that you can rebut to prove that systematic racism doesn't exist.

There was a time where White people in America were not ashamed of racism and flaunted it openly. White racists documented for the world to see, their systemic efforts to build advantages for themselves, while simultaneously disadvantaging those they called a myriad of different names to separate them from membership in their group. In other words, racism was not hidden. The evidence of systemic racism is copious in books, manuscripts, memoirs, laws, public debates, legislative halls and numerous famous court cases.

To argue that systemic racism is a myth is to erase all of those sources of evidence. It is impossible to do so. So those who make the argument have been forced to use one of the oldest tricks known to man, they blame the victims for their condition. I’ve previously written about victim blaming on a number of occasions so I won’t rehash that here. Simply put, victim blaming is finding some characteristic shared by members of a class of people you want to treat poorly, and using that as the rationale for treating them poorly.

For Native Americans it took the form of blaming them for “wasting” the land by not using the land in the way Europeans wanted to use it. For Africans kidnapped and forced to work for free for two and a half centuries, America called them lazy and dumb while making them work sixteen to eighteen hour days and also making it illegal for them to learn to read and write. For those who one day were citizens of Mexico and then forced to be Americans with the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was calling their language and traditions uncivilized. Those who migrated from Asia were told their way of life was poisonous to this nation and they themselves were a “yellow peril.”

All of these things are copiously documented by White people. Their words in speeches, books, court decisions and numerous other places provide all the evidence needed to prove the existence of long-term systemic racism. Can people who want to shame other Whites into not learning this ugly history erase this evidence? Of course they can’t. Instead they try to double down on the lies we all learned in school about America. Lies are becoming quite the rage over the last four years.

If these deniers of systemic racism are right, then certain fundamental things must be either true or false. Let’s explore a long list of some of these things. Only a fool or liar would deny these things if they spent a little time at a local library or bookstore.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then people of African descent must have voluntarily left their families, friends, and communities by placing themselves in chains and sitting on the coast of Africa waiting for thousands of slaving ships over nearly four hundred years to arrive and take them to an unknown land so that they could work for free.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then millions of Indigenous people must have gotten together and decided that the millions of square miles of homelands they loved were worthless and should be given to strange men from afar so that they could disassociate themselves from their cultures and traditions.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Africans and Native people must have seen a great benefit in working for free from before the sun rose until well after it set, all to give the fruits of their labor to these people who called themselves Christians.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Native leaders who convinced their people to fight people with superior weapons must have just simply wanted to see their families and friends slaughtered for the pure fun of it.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Africans who escaped their captivity by fleeing to the brutal winters in Canada must have really preferred freezing to death to living in the comfort of what Isabel Wilkerson called the “warmth of other suns.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those people of European ancestry must have some real advantage intellectually, and never feared giving Africans a level playing field by allowing them to read and write for generations.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then African and Native women must have been detestable creatures that White men could only find sexually attractive as rape victims.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then White women who slept with Black men while their husbands and mates were away fighting the Civil War, had no attraction to the forbidden fruit known as “negro brutes” by their husbands.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then all of the African ancestored people called mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc. really did not have the blood of White rapists coursing through their veins, they were simply born with pale skin, blue eyes and non-curly hair.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Black people who were given barely edible scraps like the intestines of the hog by Whites really saw no value in eating high off the hog as Whites did.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Thomas Jefferson never said “ I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Supreme Court in the famous Dred Scott case did not say about Blacks that, “They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then President Andrew Jackson in his fifth annual message to the country never said this about native Americans. “They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Theodore Roosevelt never said this about Native Americans. “The settler and pioneer have at bottom had justice on their side; this great continent could not have been kept as nothing but a game preserve for squalid savages. Moreover, to the most oppressed Indian nations the whites often acted as a protection, or, at least, they deferred instead of hastening their fate.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming did not at one time have a law on the books prohibiting marriage of Asians (they used the term Mongoloids) and Whites.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then a Georgia court in 1869 did not rule that, “The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural but is always productive of deplorable results.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Alabama did not write a law stating, “It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the Federal Housing Administration underwriting manual did not include an article stating “The infiltration of inharmonious racial groups will produce the same effects as those which follow the introduction of nonconforming land uses which tend to lower the levels of land values and to lessen the desirability of residential areas.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Justice Department in 2012 did not find evidence of widespread mortgage lending discrimination by Wells Fargo Bank and say that “African-American and Hispanic wholesale borrowers paid more than non-Hispanic white wholesale borrowers, not based on borrower risk, but because of their race or national origin. Wells Fargo’s business practice allowed its loan officers and mortgage brokers to vary a loan’s interest rate and other fees from the price it set based on the borrower’s objective credit-related factors . This subjective and unguided pricing discretion resulted in African-American and Hispanic borrowers paying more. The complaint alleges that Wells Fargo was aware the fees and interest rates it was charging discriminated against African-American and Hispanic borrowers, but the actions it took were insufficient and ineffective in stopping it.”

I could continue with a significantly longer list. I’ll suffice it to say that the examples stated above provide evidence of the longstanding practices, polices and beliefs which are the core of systemic racism. It is not hidden history, it was simply omitted history. The facts were and still are left out of what we learn about American history to our detriment. As a result, many still cling to the belief that America has always supported freedom, justice and liberty for all. Contrary to Trump’s executive order no one is teaching Americans to hate their country. That’s like saying that if you tell a person to learn that they got what they had because of the advantage of being White that they should hate America.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color.

For those who choose to continue believing these things, you are a part of the problem. Your denials are counterproductive and tell us why there is so much division in this country today. The United States of America is at the proverbial fork in the road. 2020 will go down as a squandered opportunity to finally tell the truth as Germany and South Africa (regardless of how flawed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa has been) both did about their horrible pasts. It could possibly go down as the year we finally expanded our truth telling of the racism embedded in the basic fabric of America. White Americans of “goodwill” must decide which path we take. People of color have done their part by sharing their stories.
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"Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem"

I dont think I ever said that. In any event, it's not "liberal cities" that are the problem. The biggest problem is black fatherlessness, which exists in liberal cities and conservative cities. That problem, however, is made much worse by liberal principles - casual sex, men are bad, masculinity is toxic, the nuclear family is an anachronism, all family structures are equally functional, telling blacks that the reason they are failing to thrive is racism instead of the choices they choose to make, paying teenage girls a bonus to not have a dad around to raise the baby. From where I sit, a core principle of liberalism is, "if it feels good, do it and ignore the consequences." Turns out, that's a short-sighted and stupid philosophy.

"If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color."

For the most part, thats correct. But it has nothing to do with race, here's proof of that.

Black children born into homes with two loving, committed, stable parents, tend to do fine.

White kids born out of wedlock to teenage mothers with chaotic and unstable lives, tend to struggle mightily.

It has almost nothing to do with race.

White privilege is billsh*t. The one privilege that actually matters, is "I was born into a strong family with two loving parents who were dedicated to me" privilege.

You don't like that truth, so you blame it on racism.

Since it is the liberal cities that are the problem why is that the highest number of Black Americans can be found in Texas (3.96 million), Florida (3.70 million), Georgia (3.54 million) or if you do it as a percentage of population It's Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia and Maryland.
Which Side controls those states?

There is a list below that you can rebut to prove that systematic racism doesn't exist.

There was a time where White people in America were not ashamed of racism and flaunted it openly. White racists documented for the world to see, their systemic efforts to build advantages for themselves, while simultaneously disadvantaging those they called a myriad of different names to separate them from membership in their group. In other words, racism was not hidden. The evidence of systemic racism is copious in books, manuscripts, memoirs, laws, public debates, legislative halls and numerous famous court cases.

To argue that systemic racism is a myth is to erase all of those sources of evidence. It is impossible to do so. So those who make the argument have been forced to use one of the oldest tricks known to man, they blame the victims for their condition. I’ve previously written about victim blaming on a number of occasions so I won’t rehash that here. Simply put, victim blaming is finding some characteristic shared by members of a class of people you want to treat poorly, and using that as the rationale for treating them poorly.

For Native Americans it took the form of blaming them for “wasting” the land by not using the land in the way Europeans wanted to use it. For Africans kidnapped and forced to work for free for two and a half centuries, America called them lazy and dumb while making them work sixteen to eighteen hour days and also making it illegal for them to learn to read and write. For those who one day were citizens of Mexico and then forced to be Americans with the The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was calling their language and traditions uncivilized. Those who migrated from Asia were told their way of life was poisonous to this nation and they themselves were a “yellow peril.”

All of these things are copiously documented by White people. Their words in speeches, books, court decisions and numerous other places provide all the evidence needed to prove the existence of long-term systemic racism. Can people who want to shame other Whites into not learning this ugly history erase this evidence? Of course they can’t. Instead they try to double down on the lies we all learned in school about America. Lies are becoming quite the rage over the last four years.

If these deniers of systemic racism are right, then certain fundamental things must be either true or false. Let’s explore a long list of some of these things. Only a fool or liar would deny these things if they spent a little time at a local library or bookstore.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then people of African descent must have voluntarily left their families, friends, and communities by placing themselves in chains and sitting on the coast of Africa waiting for thousands of slaving ships over nearly four hundred years to arrive and take them to an unknown land so that they could work for free.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then millions of Indigenous people must have gotten together and decided that the millions of square miles of homelands they loved were worthless and should be given to strange men from afar so that they could disassociate themselves from their cultures and traditions.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Africans and Native people must have seen a great benefit in working for free from before the sun rose until well after it set, all to give the fruits of their labor to these people who called themselves Christians.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Native leaders who convinced their people to fight people with superior weapons must have just simply wanted to see their families and friends slaughtered for the pure fun of it.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those Africans who escaped their captivity by fleeing to the brutal winters in Canada must have really preferred freezing to death to living in the comfort of what Isabel Wilkerson called the “warmth of other suns.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then those people of European ancestry must have some real advantage intellectually, and never feared giving Africans a level playing field by allowing them to read and write for generations.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then African and Native women must have been detestable creatures that White men could only find sexually attractive as rape victims.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then White women who slept with Black men while their husbands and mates were away fighting the Civil War, had no attraction to the forbidden fruit known as “negro brutes” by their husbands.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then all of the African ancestored people called mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc. really did not have the blood of White rapists coursing through their veins, they were simply born with pale skin, blue eyes and non-curly hair.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Black people who were given barely edible scraps like the intestines of the hog by Whites really saw no value in eating high off the hog as Whites did.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Thomas Jefferson never said “ I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Supreme Court in the famous Dred Scott case did not say about Blacks that, “They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then President Andrew Jackson in his fifth annual message to the country never said this about native Americans. “They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Theodore Roosevelt never said this about Native Americans. “The settler and pioneer have at bottom had justice on their side; this great continent could not have been kept as nothing but a game preserve for squalid savages. Moreover, to the most oppressed Indian nations the whites often acted as a protection, or, at least, they deferred instead of hastening their fate.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming did not at one time have a law on the books prohibiting marriage of Asians (they used the term Mongoloids) and Whites.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then a Georgia court in 1869 did not rule that, “The amalgamation of the races is not only unnatural but is always productive of deplorable results.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then Alabama did not write a law stating, “It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the Federal Housing Administration underwriting manual did not include an article stating “The infiltration of inharmonious racial groups will produce the same effects as those which follow the introduction of nonconforming land uses which tend to lower the levels of land values and to lessen the desirability of residential areas.”

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the U.S. Justice Department in 2012 did not find evidence of widespread mortgage lending discrimination by Wells Fargo Bank and say that “African-American and Hispanic wholesale borrowers paid more than non-Hispanic white wholesale borrowers, not based on borrower risk, but because of their race or national origin. Wells Fargo’s business practice allowed its loan officers and mortgage brokers to vary a loan’s interest rate and other fees from the price it set based on the borrower’s objective credit-related factors . This subjective and unguided pricing discretion resulted in African-American and Hispanic borrowers paying more. The complaint alleges that Wells Fargo was aware the fees and interest rates it was charging discriminated against African-American and Hispanic borrowers, but the actions it took were insufficient and ineffective in stopping it.”

I could continue with a significantly longer list. I’ll suffice it to say that the examples stated above provide evidence of the longstanding practices, polices and beliefs which are the core of systemic racism. It is not hidden history, it was simply omitted history. The facts were and still are left out of what we learn about American history to our detriment. As a result, many still cling to the belief that America has always supported freedom, justice and liberty for all. Contrary to Trump’s executive order no one is teaching Americans to hate their country. That’s like saying that if you tell a person to learn that they got what they had because of the advantage of being White that they should hate America.

If systemic racism isn’t real, then the tremendous disparities we see across the country are emblematic of flawed people of color.

For those who choose to continue believing these things, you are a part of the problem. Your denials are counterproductive and tell us why there is so much division in this country today. The United States of America is at the proverbial fork in the road. 2020 will go down as a squandered opportunity to finally tell the truth as Germany and South Africa (regardless of how flawed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa has been) both did about their horrible pasts. It could possibly go down as the year we finally expanded our truth telling of the racism embedded in the basic fabric of America. White Americans of “goodwill” must decide which path we take. People of color have done their part by sharing their stories.
Written by Reggie Jackson

The guy who wrote that nonsense, wants there to be systemic racism.

You can't just see that average black income is lower than average white income (called a univariate analysis, because you're only looking at one variable - race), and conclude it's because if race. You must "normalize" for all other variables so that the only difference between the 2 groups is race, and then see what average incomes look like. If you don't do that, your race groups could be (in this case, will be) very different in terms of family structure of each, average education of each, professions entered by each, etc).

If black doctors who went to Harvard medical school and graduated with a 4.0, make less than white doctors with the same exact credentials, it could be racism. But you need to make your comparisons "apples to apples". You can't just compare white income to black income, unless you account for all the other variables, and force them to be the same between the two groups.

The author of that article took you for a sucker.

good lord i didn’t even catch that. god almighty.
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I did, and I just scrolled on by. Keeps the blood pressure down
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would be good for me to take a sabbatical from this forum for awhile
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The guy who wrote that nonsense, wants there to be systemic racism.

You can't just see that average black income is lower than average white income (called a univariate analysis, because you're only looking at one variable - race), and conclude it's because if race. You must "normalize" for all other variables so that the only difference between the 2 groups is race, and then see what average incomes look like. If you don't do that, your race groups could be (in this case, will be) very different in terms of family structure of each, average education of each, professions entered by each, etc).

If black doctors who went to Harvard medical school and graduated with a 4.0, make less than white doctors with the same exact credentials, it could be racism. But you need to make your comparisons "apples to apples". You can't just compare white income to black income, unless you account for all the other variables, and force them to be the same between the two groups.

The author of that article took you for a sucker.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_four-year_collegedegrees.html
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The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_four-year_collegedegrees.html
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"The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?"

No way I'd say it at work, too many woke ignoramuses like you would get triggered. Yes, it does show who I am. I am someone who thinks that if a black child was born with the same parents I had, and did everything the same way I did, they'd pretty much be exactly where I am right now.

Pete, show me the data that says when you do a true apples to apples comparison, there are huge differences in outcomes by race. There's simply no way that's true, because it would be against the law, and every ACLYU lawyer in the world would be suing on behalf of the victims.

For the 4th or 5th time, if it's white racism keeping blacks down, HOW COME ASIANS DO BETTER THAN WHITES?

The Brookings Institute did a well-known (and much-despised by the left) study. Turns out, if you want to avoid poverty, you can be almost guaranteed to do so, by following three very simple rules...

"1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.

If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. "

Given these facts, why not encourage everyone to follow those rules? Do you think blacks are genetically incapable of following those rules? I don't.

https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20120127/OPINION/801258741

"Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites"

I doubt the gap is that big when you normalize for other variables besides race. But let's address the huge problem (fatherlessness), get blacks to within 80%, then chip away at the remaining obstacles.

I looked up a fascinating stat. Black immigrants from Africa, have higher average incomes, than American blacks. That's astounding to me. Black immigrants from Africa have an average income of 43k, while the average income for American born blacks is 33.5k, 22% lower.

Why is that? Are you going to tell me that white supremacists aren't as racist towards black immigrants as they are towards American blacks? Or is it possible that black immigrants haven't yet been exposed to the poisonous culture that liberalism shrouds American blacks in? You'd say the former. I'd say the latter. Immigrants, for the most part, come here wanting to work, wanting their kids to get the best possible education. Liberalism goes a long way towards destroying those impulses in American blacks, because liberals tell blacks they're victims and can't help themselves, therefore they need to vote for democrats to get a big welfare check.


https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/04/09/chapter-1-statistical-portrait-of-the-u-s-black-immigrant-population/

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_four-year_collegedegrees.html
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I read your idiotic post. Same issue, it's not apples to apples. So the conclusions are invalid.

Here's where your 80% gibberish comes from, within your link...

"In 2003 black males with a bachelor's degree had a median income of $41,916, which was only 82 percent of the $51,138 median income of similarly educated white males. Thus, a very large racial income gap persists for black men"

The author looked at black males with a bachelors, and compared average income to white males with a bachelors. The average incomes for blacks are 20% less, and the author immediately (stupidly) concludes that every cent of that is due to racism.

That over simplistic conclusion, would get you a richly deserved F in any serious statistics class or social sciences class.

Why? Because there are several acceptable, non-racial reasons, why that income gap can exist. Most obvious is the nature of the degrees obtained by each group. I am purely speculating here, but if blacks are more likely to go to less prestigious schools, less likely to pursue majors that are the most lucrative, that would be an explanation that has nothing to do with race. If more blacks go into teaching, and more whites go into engineering, that explains the gap and there's nothing racist about it.

You need to compare groups that are identical in every way, except race. Otherwise, the effect of another variable will skew the results. That's rudimentary social science math. You learn that the first week.

Sorry to destroy your desperate attempt to show we're racist, but all it took was an understanding of chapter 1 of a statistics text.

Liberals tried the same crap to show a gender pay gap, which just about disappears when you normalize for years of experience and the fact that women and men tend to pursue different professions.

You cannot win an honest debate on this topic. You're not holding any cards.

I read your idiotic post. Same issue, it's not apples to apples. So the conclusions are invalid.

Here's where your 80% gibberish comes from, within your link...

"In 2003 black males with a bachelor's degree had a median income of $41,916, which was only 82 percent of the $51,138 median income of similarly educated white males. Thus, a very large racial income gap persists for black men"

The author looked at black males with a bachelors, and compared average income to white males with a bachelors. The average incomes for blacks are 20% less, and the author immediately (stupidly) concludes that every cent of that is due to racism.

That over simplistic conclusion, would get you a richly deserved F in any serious statistics class or social sciences class.

Why? Because there are several acceptable, non-racial reasons, why that income gap can exist. Most obvious is the nature of the degrees obtained by each group. I am purely speculating here, but if blacks are more likely to go to less prestigious schools, less likely to pursue majors that are the most lucrative, that would be an explanation that has nothing to do with race. If more blacks go into teaching, and more whites go into engineering, that explains the gap and there's nothing racist about it.

You need to compare groups that are identical in every way, except race. Otherwise, the effect of another variable will skew the results. That's rudimentary social science math. You learn that the first week.

Sorry to destroy your desperate attempt to show we're racist, but all it took was an understanding of chapter 1 of a statistics text.

Liberals tried the same crap to show a gender pay gap, which just about disappears when you normalize for years of experience and the fact that women and men tend to pursue different professions.

You cannot win an honest debate on this topic. You're not holding any cards.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are.

Do you say this out loud at work?

Or hide what you believe?

For the second time...........

No Jim, I assume that there are other factors.
What would they be, unless you are saying that blacks are dumber than whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDbvSSbxk8

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are.

Do you say this out loud at work?

Or hide what you believe?

For the second time...........




this is the LOWEST FORM OF DISCOURSE...GREAT JOB X 2

this is the LOWEST FORM OF DISCOURSE...GREAT JOB X 2

Can you?

No way I'd say it at work, too many woke ignoramuses like you would get triggered. Yes, it does show who I am. I am someone who thinks that if a black child was born with the same parents I had, and did everything the same way I did, they'd pretty much be exactly where I am right now.



It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?

And yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2017/07/24/10-examples-that-prove-white-privilege-exists-in-every-aspect-imaginable

It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?

And yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2017/07/24/10-examples-that-prove-white-privilege-exists-in-every-aspect-imaginable

"It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?"

No, it just gives me the opportunity to bitch slap you some more.

"yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege"

Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I said, is that race isn't anywhere near the force your side desperately wants it to be.

Pete, I used sound facts and logic to completely annihilate your post. You can't just concede I might have a small, valid point there?

I believe in some white privilege, as I believe there's such a thing as black privilege (affirmative action, etc). I believe that race-based privilege is nothing compared to the caliber of the parents one is born into.

"It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?"

No, it just gives me the opportunity to bitch slap you some more.

"yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege"

Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I said, is that race isn't anywhere near the force your side desperately wants it to be.

Pete, I used sound facts and logic to completely annihilate your post. You can't just concede I might have a small, valid point there?

I believe in some white privilege, as I believe there's such a thing as black privilege (affirmative action, etc). I believe that race-based privilege is nothing compared to the caliber of the parents one is born into.

No annihilation occurs when you quote tropes as truth, silly girl

No annihilation occurs when you quote tropes as truth, silly girl

I see. So it's a "trope", not a "truth", to say you need to do a multivariate analysis, not a univariate analysis, when attempting to answer such questions.

I see. So it's a "trope", not a "truth", to say you need to do a multivariate analysis, not a univariate analysis, when attempting to answer such questions.

No, your tropes are simpler than that
Black fatherlessness
If they were like the good Asians
If they would only just obey they wouldn't be shot
If they studied like Asians
Black parents don't want their children to graduate from high school.
Black parents don't want their children to get married until after 21 and not have children till after being married.
Black parents don't want their children to have a full-time job.
All they are good for is professional sports and they should keep their mouths shut and be thankful. Well, except if they are antivaccine

No, your tropes are simpler than that
Black fatherlessness
If they were like the good Asians
If they would only just obey they wouldn't be shot
If they studied like Asians
Black parents don't want their children to graduate from high school.
Black parents don't want their children to get married until after 21 and not have children till after being married.
Black parents don't want their children to have a full-time job.
All they are good for is professional sports and they should keep their mouths shut and be thankful. Well, except if they are antivaccine

"If they were like the good Asians
If they would only just obey they wouldn't be shot"

Never said anything remotely like that (hearing them voices, I see). We were talking about economic success.

"Black parents don't want their children to graduate from high school.
Black parents don't want their children to get married until after 21 and not have children till after being married.
Black parents don't want their children to have a full-time job."

I didn't say blacks don't want those things. I'm not great at mind-reading. But they aren't doing those things often enough. Not because racists prevent them from doing so (your stupid argument), but because they don't embrace the importance of doing so. And liberalism is greatly responsible for that, because liberalism doesn't preach hard work, personal responsibility. Liberalism is all about the quick feel-good payoff.

"All they are good for is professional sports and they should keep their mouths shut and be thankful."

I can't imagine how you concluded that from anything I said. What I said, is that when blacks make good decisions, they do just as well as any other race who makes good decisions.

Pete, who are you responding to with this nonsense? It's not me.

For Gods sake Pete, if racism was a big factor in anything, why are Asians the most economically successful ethnicity in the country? Asians are wealthier than whites. How could that possibly happen in a nation of white supremacists?

Answer - Asian culture places huge importance on strong families, and the incredible power of education and hard work. That's it. Nothing to do with race. Zip.

You never said……..
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where in there, did i say blacks are only good for sports?

i’ll ask you another simple question which you’ll
dodge.

if blacks had tight knit families and embraced their
kids’ education and work ethic like asians, do you not think blacks would do as well as asians? if not, why not?

i’m saying any group, regardless of race, who makes the wrong decisions, will struggle. any group who makes the right decisions, regardless of race, will do fine.

the data is clear, blacks ( for whatever reason) aren’t making the productive decisions as frequently as other races. That’s why they aren’t thriving to the same degree as other races.

if it’s racism, how come black immigrants are doing so
much better the. american born blacks? how could you possibly explain that?

i’m friendly with the family that runs the shell station in my town, i go
i’m the convenience store a lot. they came from africa with nothing, mother father and two
kids who are now in college. he was the first person i ever heard say, that his kids ( being black) were better off being born in africa and coming here as immigrants, than if they were born here. there’s some american cultural force that is pushing blacks to make unproductive decisions. liberalism is absolutely a part of it.
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i’m saying any group, regardless of race, who makes the wrong decisions, will struggle. any group who makes the right decisions, regardless of race, will do fine.

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Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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more than 70% of black kids are born without a dad in the home.

is that a fact? or have i been indoctrinated?
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Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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"You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan."

Democrats weren't the party of slavery and segregation? Then who was? The Whigs? The Tories?

"They admire Mussolini and Hitler"

I obviously never said anything like that...

"Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing "

Yet I can list major issues on which I think conservatives are 100% wrong and liberals are 100% right. Show me that you're not the radical, indoctrinate done. Go ahead, tell us which major policy issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on, and conservatives are 100% correct on.

If you can't list any, I'm pretty sure that means you're the radical, and I'm the moderate. You can't criticize liberals in favor of a conservative, ever. But you're not radical or indoctrinated?

Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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From one of your links...

"It is certainly true that treated as a whole group, Asian-Americans appear to be doing well. Relative to other racial and ethnic minorities, they live in wealthier neighborhoods, have high marriage rates, high levels of educational achievement, and are successful in the labor market."

Proving me 100% correct.

"Asian-Americans are more likely to believe that academic achievement results from greater effort, rather than greater skill. This belief can in fact explain a large part of the superior academic outcomes for Asian-Americans, according to some studies. Believing that hard work pays off, Asian-American students work harder—and, for them, it pays off."

Also proving me 100% correct.

Did you not read these?

"Asian-Americans live near better schools. This explanation for higher achievement is of course a rather boring one, compared to appeals to culture. But it suggests that policymakers would do better to promote higher-performing schools than worry too much about promoting “Asian values.”

Idiotic (its not random that asians live near better schools, it's because they are wealthy), but even if you assume that's valid, its a great argument for school choice. Which party supports school choice, and which party opposes school choice, Wayne?

"But there are wide differences between different Asian-American groups. Many are struggling economically;"

Obviously true. No one ever said all asians are identical. We're making broad generalizations here. Not all blacks are identical, not all whites are identical.

"The Asian groups faring poorly are those living in areas with poorer quality schools—similar, in fact, to those in which African Americans live"

Again, a superb argument in favor of school choice.

Wayne, you think any of that proves me wrong somehow?

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

If you don't like that fact, that's your problem. If racism was a big deal, the data would show that blacks don't escape poverty when they follow those rules. But the data is clear, blacks enjoy similar benefits when they make productive decisions. That doesn't mean there's zero racism, but it's not a big deal.

From one of your links...

"It is certainly true that treated as a whole group, Asian-Americans appear to be doing well. Relative to other racial and ethnic minorities, they live in wealthier neighborhoods, have high marriage rates, high levels of educational achievement, and are successful in the labor market."

Proving me 100% correct.

"Asian-Americans are more likely to believe that academic achievement results from greater effort, rather than greater skill. This belief can in fact explain a large part of the superior academic outcomes for Asian-Americans, according to some studies. Believing that hard work pays off, Asian-American students work harder—and, for them, it pays off."

Also proving me 100% correct.

Did you not read these?

"Asian-Americans live near better schools. This explanation for higher achievement is of course a rather boring one, compared to appeals to culture. But it suggests that policymakers would do better to promote higher-performing schools than worry too much about promoting “Asian values.”

Idiotic (its not random that asians live near better schools, it's because they are wealthy), but even if you assume that's valid, its a great argument for school choice. Which party supports school choice, and which party opposes school choice, Wayne?

"But there are wide differences between different Asian-American groups. Many are struggling economically;"

Obviously true. No one ever said all asians are identical. We're making broad generalizations here. Not all blacks are identical, not all whites are identical.

"The Asian groups faring poorly are those living in areas with poorer quality schools—similar, in fact, to those in which African Americans live"

Again, a superb argument in favor of school choice.

Wayne, you think any of that proves me wrong somehow?

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

If you don't like that fact, that's your problem. If racism was a big deal, the data would show that blacks don't escape poverty when they follow those rules. But the data is clear, blacks enjoy similar benefits when they make productive decisions. That doesn't mean there's zero racism, but it's not a big deal.

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

That’s great but nothing close to what you’ve posted ..,

Maybe you should have just started and finished with that
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Texas House committee to investigate school districts’ books on race and sexuality

State Rep. Matt Krause, a candidate for state attorney general, asked school superintendents to confirm whether any books on a list of 850 titles are in their libraries and classrooms.

This is classic example of CRT
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If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

That’s great but nothing close to what you’ve posted ..,

Maybe you should have just started and finished with that
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i pretty much did. you missed it, because you had decided beforehand that i was wrong because i’m not a liberal.
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Texas House committee to investigate school districts’ books on race and sexuality

State Rep. Matt Krause, a candidate for state attorney general, asked school superintendents to confirm whether any books on a list of 850 titles are in their libraries and classrooms.

This is classic example of CRT
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and what is it, when liberals ban To Kill A Mockingbird

There’s plenty of racism in that book. but what liberals somehow miss ( and you really have to be stupid to miss) is that the racists are portrayed as awful. the guy fighting against the racists,,is the hero of the book.
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1216652]i pretty much did. you missed it, because you had decided beforehand that i was wrong because i’m not a liberal.
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Simplistic racial categories can also provide fuel for racial stereotypes. One of the strongest is the idealization of Asian-Americans as a “model minority”—hard working, studious, committed to family, and so on. There are a number of problems with this characterization.

Jim I just think you have simplistic solutions to complex problems
And having black be like Asians is one of them .

I don’t think anyone here wants any race or ethnicity to fail , however we can’t just buy nto the myth that in America everyone starts at the 20 yard line .
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and what is it, when liberals ban To Kill A Mockingbird

There’s plenty of racism in that book. but what liberals somehow miss ( and you really have to be stupid to miss) is that the racists are portrayed as awful. the guy fighting against the racists,,is the hero of the book.
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school board’s decision

following concerns raised by parents over racism.

the main character his actions are not heroic “In reality, Atticus was an unwilling participant not a civil rights crusader;


I agree with you the book is full of racism ,

I don’t think the concern is teaching about racism

Parents concerns of CRT would be legitimate if it was actually happening

And this is the State looking to ban books huge difference

Krause sent a letter on Monday to the Texas Education Agency and superintendents of school districts around the state, asking each official to confirm whether their schools possess any books on his list, along with a detailed accounting of where they are and how much money was spent on them.

but his request mentioned several recent pushes to remove books from libraries and classrooms if they center on issues from transgender identity to critical race theory

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

List all the ban attempts of the book not all are liberal areas one was over Challenged at the Brentwood (TN) Middle School because the book contains “profanity” and “contains adult themes such as sexual intercourse, rape, and incest.
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however we can’t just buy nto the myth that in America everyone starts at the 20 yard line .

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it's a "historical fact" that everyone does not start at the 20 yard line....it's also a fact that it will never be the case...but great job arguing against something that no one ever said again :fishslap:

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it's a "historical fact" that everyone does not start at the 20 yard line....it's also a fact that it will never be the case...but great job arguing against something that no one ever said again :fishslap:

It’s called the American dream maybe you’ve heard of it
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It’s called the American dream maybe you’ve heard of it
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The American dream is a myth that everyone starts at the 20 yard line? Nope. Never heard that version…..and can’t imagine where you get this nonsense
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The rhetoric and propaganda about critical race theory is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I might have said the same thing 5-7 yrs ago, but then I opened my eyes and listened to black Americans. What the right paints as critical race theory is nothing but a long overdue course correction in how we teach American history. It’s time for white America to listen for a change.

Telling the truth about history is not racist. Watering down and white washing history making this country look like saints (when we are FAR from it) is racist.

MURIIICAAA at it’s finest

The rhetoric and propaganda about critical race theory is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I might have said the same thing 5-7 yrs ago, but then I opened my eyes and listened to black Americans. What the right paints as critical race theory is nothing but a long overdue course correction in how we teach American history. It’s time for white America to listen for a change.

Telling the truth about history is not racist. Watering down and white washing history making this country look like saints (when we are FAR from it) is racist.

MURIIICAAA at it’s finest

you really need help....

funny...I see a remarkable number of very informed people of color that have serious issues with CRT...they probably don't count

you really need help....

funny...I see a remarkable number of very informed people of color that have serious issues with CRT...they probably don't count

The threat to American democracy has increased exponentially over the past five years or so when mediocre people of meager talents realized they would never have to work a straight job again as long as they could terrify a nation of right-wing nitwits about the end of "Real America."

What does the rightwing think is wrong with white kids in America that, if they learn accurate US history, they won't love our country?

I have more confidence in America's children of all colors and the American Dream than to think true patriotism requires ignorance.

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., told Newsmax that this country's current education system is ''indoctrinating'' young people to hate the United States.

CRT nationalism the hate of the media Jan 6th all being spewed by the right Trump and his followers…

Sure their just being patriotic .that the excuse . they are the real clear and present danger to democracy!!
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school board’s decision

following concerns raised by parents over racism.

the main character his actions are not heroic “In reality, Atticus was an unwilling participant not a civil rights crusader;


I agree with you the book is full of racism ,

I don’t think the concern is teaching about racism

Parents concerns of CRT would be legitimate if it was actually happening

And this is the State looking to ban books huge difference

Krause sent a letter on Monday to the Texas Education Agency and superintendents of school districts around the state, asking each official to confirm whether their schools possess any books on his list, along with a detailed accounting of where they are and how much money was spent on them.

but his request mentioned several recent pushes to remove books from libraries and classrooms if they center on issues from transgender identity to critical race theory

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

List all the ban attempts of the book not all are liberal areas one was over Challenged at the Brentwood (TN) Middle School because the book contains “profanity” and “contains adult themes such as sexual intercourse, rape, and incest.
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oh, atticus finch wasn’t a hero?

have you ever read the book? just because you can post a quote from some moron, doesnt make it true.

i’ve read it ten times. the only reason atticus expressed any concern over taking on racism, was his children. he felt bad that he had to expose them to the ugliness of the world. But he did it anyway. He did it generously, skillfully, and at great risk to himself.

jesus god almighty wayne.

Duh.
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I opened my eyes and listened to black Americans . . . It’s time for white America to listen for a change.

MURIIICAAA at it’s finest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVa2TsV9hh4

oh, atticus finch wasn’t a hero?

have you ever read the book? just because you can post a quote from some moron, doesnt make it true.

i’ve read it ten times. the only reason atticus expressed any concern over taking on racism, was his children. he felt bad that he had to expose them to the ugliness of the world. But he did it anyway. He did it generously, skillfully, and at great risk to himself.

jesus god almighty wayne.

Duh.
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Now do the Texas rep who has a list of close to a thousand books he wants to ban.

The rapid shift from "why is everyone an easily triggered snowflake participation trophy recipient" to "we gotta ban these books because my senior in high school had nightmares" is more indication that maybe the former was a bad faith operation all along
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clb477m25Lg

So now you’re consulting YouTubers from an Indian foundation to justify not teaching American History in America, not sure what kind of shift that is from your other source from Brazil
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This is how the Republican Party uses the fear induced with their latest bogeyman, Critical Race Theory

Greg Abbott, noting that parents across Texas have become “increasingly alarmed” about “extremely inappropriate” library books, is now calling on districts to remove them. Doesn’t cite specific books, but recent cases have centered on anti-racism, sex-ed and LGBTQ books.
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So now you’re consulting YouTubers from an Indian foundation to justify not teaching American History in America, not sure what kind of shift that is from your other source from Brazil
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The perspectives I am introducing you to are very "diverse." Am I to suppose that you only support diversity if it suits your narrow agenda?

And the discussion in the video is between an American and an Indian both of whom have far more knowledge about CRT and its effects than you seem to have. You claim that "conservatives" don't even know what CRT is. I haven't seen you attempt a critique of what it is nor any attempt to discuss it.

And these videos are not about American history. From what I have gathered, CRT is not history per se, it is race theory.

Here is a short lesson on what critical race theory is, the rest is in the link

A Lesson on Critical Race Theory
by Janel George

In September 2020, President Trump issued an executive order excluding from federal contracts any diversity and inclusion training interpreted as containing “Divisive Concepts,” “Race or Sex Stereotyping,” and “Race or Sex Scapegoating.” Among the content considered “divisive” is Critical Race Theory (CRT). In response, the African American Policy Forum, led by legal scholar Kimberlé Crenshaw, launched the #TruthBeTold campaign to expose the harm that the order poses. Reports indicate that over 300 diversity and inclusion trainings have been canceled as a result of the order. And over 120 civil rights organizations and allies signed a letter condemning the executive order. The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc. (LDF), the National Urban League (NUL), and the National Fair Housing Alliance filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the executive order violates the guarantees of free speech, equal protection, and due process. So, exactly what is CRT, why is it under attack, and what does it mean for the civil rights lawyer?

CRT is not a diversity and inclusion “training” but a practice of interrogating the role of race and racism in society that emerged in the legal academy and spread to other fields of scholarship. Crenshaw—who coined the term “CRT”—notes that CRT is not a noun, but a verb. It cannot be confined to a static and narrow definition but is considered to be an evolving and malleable practice. It critiques how the social construction of race and institutionalized racism perpetuate a racial caste system that relegates people of color to the bottom tiers. CRT also recognizes that race intersects with other identities, including sexuality, gender identity, and others. CRT recognizes that racism is not a bygone relic of the past. Instead, it acknowledges that the legacy of slavery, segregation, and the imposition of second-class citizenship on Black Americans and other people of color continue to permeate the social fabric of this nation.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/a-lesson-on-critical-race-theory/

oh, atticus finch wasn’t a hero?

have you ever read the book? just because you can post a quote from some moron, doesnt make it true.

i’ve read it ten times. the only reason atticus expressed any concern over taking on racism, was his children. he felt bad that he had to expose them to the ugliness of the world. But he did it anyway. He did it generously, skillfully, and at great risk to himself.

jesus god almighty wayne.

Duh.
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Yes Jim when I read it I to was told how heroic he was by my teachers and in my limited experience in the real world it made sense .. but at 55 years old I read the same book and see a different reality, Just because I don’t see his as a grand hero in no way am I suggesting he is a villain, because he is neither to me he his a man that is in the middle of 2 different worlds and trying his best to give a man a fair trial Aka his Job
I see many people of history and characters in book in the same light
Age and experience tends to do that..
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Yes Jim when I read it I to was told how heroic he was by my teachers and in my limited experience in the real world it made sense .. but at 55 years old I read the same book and see a different reality, Just because I don’t see his as a grand hero in no way am I suggesting he is a villain, because he is neither to me he his a man that is in the middle of 2 different worlds and trying his best to give a man a fair trial Aka his Job
I see many people of history and characters in book in the same light
Age and experience tends to do that..
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you didn't read the book...did you? :rotf3:

Am I to suppose that you only support diversity if it suits your narrow agenda?

.

ding...ding...ding....

Yes Jim when I read it I to was told how heroic he was by my teachers and in my limited experience in the real world it made sense .. but at 55 years old I read the same book and see a different reality, Just because I don’t see his as a grand hero in no way am I suggesting he is a villain, because he is neither to me he his a man that is in the middle of 2 different worlds and trying his best to give a man a fair trial Aka his Job
I see many people of history and characters in book in the same light
Age and experience tends to do that..
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My God. I'm not sure you read the book. "The job" was supposed to go to the new lawyer in town but they wanted Atticus to take it because of who he was. He didn't want to be in that spot, he didn't want to expose his kids to bigotry, but knew he couldnt ask his kids to respect him if he didn't do it. He didn't just poke holes the the prosecution's case, he went WAY beyond that and spoke out against the evil historical sin of bigotry. He didn't want to have Bob Ewell spit in his face, didn't want to have to drive out to tell Toms wife that Tom was dead. He never pressured clients to pay, took payments in food if that was all they had, and he was glad to take it.

"His job"? Just doing his job? It was his job, when he heard that the racists were coming to hang Tom, it was his job to go sit on the front steps of the jail all night, to stand up without flinching to an entire mob, to tell them to go home?

You missed THE ENTIRE POINT. Do you recall the scene in the book and in the movie, when all the blacks in the courtroom stood up in respect when he was leaving the courthouse? The black reverend said to his daughter who was sitting on the ground, ":Miss jean louise? Miss Jean Louise? Stand up, your father's passing." She looked around and saw that all the blacks were standing in respect for Atticus. That's a scene that's supposed to give you goosebumps at what a selfless hero he was (often taking payments in food, often letting people take as long as they needed to pay, never hounding them for payment).

Christ almighty, stick to fishing.

My God. I'm not sure you read the book. "The job" was supposed to go to the new lawyer in town but they wanted Atticus to take it because of who he was. He didn't want to be in that spot, he didn't want to expose his kids to bigotry, but knew he couldnt ask his kids to respect him if he didn't do it. He didn't just poke holes the the prosecution's case, he went WAY beyond that and spoke out against the evil historical sin of bigotry. He didn't want to have Bob Ewell spit in his face, didn't want to have to drive out to tell Toms wife that Tom was dead. He never pressured clients to pay, took payments in food if that was all they had, and he was glad to take it.

"His job"? Just doing his job? It was his job, when he heard that the racists were coming to hang Tom, it was his job to go sit on the front steps of the jail all night, to stand up without flinching to an entire mob, to tell them to go home?

You missed THE ENTIRE POINT. Do you recall the scene in the book and in the movie, when all the blacks in the courtroom stood up in respect when he was leaving the courthouse? The black reverend said to his daughter who was sitting on the ground, ":Miss jean louise? Miss Jean Louise? Stand up, your father's passing." She looked around and saw that all the blacks were standing in respect for Atticus. That's a scene that's supposed to give you goosebumps at what a selfless hero he was (often taking payments in food, often letting people take as long as they needed to pay, never hounding them for payment).

Christ almighty, stick to fishing.
You do realize many groups have opposed the book being used in schools for a variety of reasons? Racists segregationists didn’t like it, many on the right oppose the profanity and discussion of rape.

You do realize many groups have opposed the book being used in schools for a variety of reasons? Racists segregationists didn’t like it, many on the right oppose the profanity and discussion of rape.

the most common reason is the racist language, I haven't heard many other reasons.

So with CRT, liberals want to make sure kids are taught what whited did to blacks.

But with To Kill A Mockingbird, for some reason kids aren't capable of handling the historical context, even though it's accurate?

With CRT, the liberal rallying cry is not to whitewash history. Why doesn't that apply to this book?

Do you understand, that in this book, the racists aren't portrayed favorably? They're portrayed as disgusting.

"many on the right oppose the profanity and discussion of rape"

Not "many". I'm sure some puritans do, but hardly "many". I wouldn't have first graders read it.

Anyway, what do you liberals want? An accurate depiction of history? Or a whitewashed version? It's very hard to tell.

I think CRT stands for create racial tension
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the most common reason is the racist language, I haven't heard many other reasons.

So with CRT, liberals want to make sure kids are taught what whited did to blacks.

But with To Kill A Mockingbird, for some reason kids aren't capable of handling the historical context, even though it's accurate?

With CRT, the liberal rallying cry is not to whitewash history. Why doesn't that apply to this book?

Do you understand, that in this book, the racists aren't portrayed favorably? They're portrayed as disgusting.

"many on the right oppose the profanity and discussion of rape"

Not "many". I'm sure some puritans do, but hardly "many". I wouldn't have first graders read it.

Anyway, what do you liberals want? An accurate depiction of history? Or a whitewashed version? It's very hard to tell.


CRT only exist in your imagination Jim you've been brainwashed to think it's everywhere .. by some secret liberal organization who even installed it in red states ... So all these parents suddenly got educated about CRT .. Ya ok that's how it happened , and these same parents think Trump won the election ..

yet you and other can't show any public k -12 school where its being taught..:jump:

its just keep lying over and over to convince the gullible and clearly uninformed

My God. I'm not sure you read the book. "The job" was supposed to go to the new lawyer in town but they wanted Atticus to take it because of who he was. He didn't want to be in that spot, he didn't want to expose his kids to bigotry, but knew he couldnt ask his kids to respect him if he didn't do it. He didn't just poke holes the the prosecution's case, he went WAY beyond that and spoke out against the evil historical sin of bigotry. He didn't want to have Bob Ewell spit in his face, didn't want to have to drive out to tell Toms wife that Tom was dead. He never pressured clients to pay, took payments in food if that was all they had, and he was glad to take it.

"His job"? Just doing his job? It was his job, when he heard that the racists were coming to hang Tom, it was his job to go sit on the front steps of the jail all night, to stand up without flinching to an entire mob, to tell them to go home?

You missed THE ENTIRE POINT. Do you recall the scene in the book and in the movie, when all the blacks in the courtroom stood up in respect when he was leaving the courthouse? The black reverend said to his daughter who was sitting on the ground, ":Miss jean louise? Miss Jean Louise? Stand up, your father's passing." She looked around and saw that all the blacks were standing in respect for Atticus. That's a scene that's supposed to give you goosebumps at what a selfless hero he was (often taking payments in food, often letting people take as long as they needed to pay, never hounding them for payment).

Christ almighty, stick to fishing.

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the most common reason is the racist language, I haven't heard many other reasons.

So with CRT, liberals want to make sure kids are taught what whited did to blacks.

But with To Kill A Mockingbird, for some reason kids aren't capable of handling the historical context, even though it's accurate?

With CRT, the liberal rallying cry is not to whitewash history. Why doesn't that apply to this book?

Do you understand, that in this book, the racists aren't portrayed favorably? They're portrayed as disgusting.

"many on the right oppose the profanity and discussion of rape"

Not "many". I'm sure some puritans do, but hardly "many". I wouldn't have first graders read it.

Anyway, what do you liberals want? An accurate depiction of history? Or a whitewashed version? It's very hard to tell.

Now you are conflating a novel with what you call critical race theory.
In to kill a Mockingbird, Rich whites are good, poor whites are trash and blacks are the victims who cannot defend themselves.
It's a novel....

I know admitting that there are bad things in our history is hard, but if you think that is the end of America as you see it, just what are you afraid to lose?
You are perfectly willing to point out what you see as the frailties of other races, but are horrified that anyone would ask you to look at the things that have been done for years in this country that are not perfect. What is the horrible thing that will happen? Someone might feel guilty, or that things might change slightly.

Critical Race Theory has been around for longer than you and it only became an issue in the very recent past.

CRT only exist in your imagination Jim you've been brainwashed to think it's everywhere .. by some secret liberal organization who even installed it in red states ... So all these parents suddenly got educated about CRT .. Ya ok that's how it happened , and these same parents think Trump won the election ..

yet you and other can't show any public k -12 school where its being taught..:jump:

its just keep lying over and over to convince the gullible and clearly uninformed

"CRT only exist in your imagination Jim you've been brainwashed to think it's everywhere"

Please post anything I've ever said, that made you conclude I think it's everywhere.

"yet you and other can't show any public k -12 school where its being taught..:jump"

I don't make claims to know where it's taught or not. But here's what appears to be solid evidence, that it's promoted (if not t aught) in VA. Just because CNN says this is made up, means it's made up.

It is actually possible, for conservatives to have a point once in awhile.



https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/

When did schools become places where parents decide what children are taught? I thought the purpose of learning, especially higher learning, was to offer different perspectives and promote "open/out of the box thinking?"

If parents are dictating - let them teach at home.
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There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”. But there are kids who reportedly read in school a book called “not my idea”.

in this book, the devil makes deals with people, binding them to whiteness, promising riches of stolen land and stolen property. because that’s what all honkeys are guilty of.

it’s not called critical race theory. but if parents are being honest about kids reading this, then racially divisiveness crap is being forced in our kids there.

there is a limit to how much garbage americans are willing to have been dumped on them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/08/opinion/fallacy-whiteness/%3foutputType=amp
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"CRT only exist in your imagination Jim you've been brainwashed to think it's everywhere"



"The Center for Renewing America developed a glossary of buzzwords and definitions frequently used to disguise the CRT teaching concepts in the classroom. From the website, "Critical Race Theory isn't always presented as Critical Race Theory. The framework of CRT can be utilized to frame other concepts or present them in an inappropriate context." In plain speak, by parsing, substituting, or rephrasing key terminology, school administrators and teachers covertly incorporated the CRT language and the pedagogy into their daily lesson planning.

A Virginia school district spent $30,000 on Critical Race Theory training for administrators.

When McAuliffe was Virginia's governor, he encouraged teachers "to embrace Critical Race Theory as part of its Culturally-Responsive Teaching and Learning Principles, with a stated desire to re-engineer attitudes and belief systems."

The CRT ideology is so prevalent in Virginia public schools that in 2019, not only did several VA school superintendents endorse CRT in a memo to district teachers, but one school superintendent promoted both Critical Race Theory and the idea of "White Fragility;" based on the book of the same name by Robin DiAngelo.

Another VA superintendent's memo endorsed "Foundations of Critical Race Theory in Education" as an important resource, which enables and will ensure race-based developments in education.

On the Virginia Department of Education website the words "Critical Race Theory" appear multiple times. "

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”.

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this is correct, there is no CRT101 to select as a course but CRT is being woven into the curriculum just like every other leftists pet cause, they are not educating, they are attempting to indoctrinate children, turning them into useful little social justice warriors and probably democrat voters...and they'll mock you for pointing this out


there is no open/out of the box thinking in schools, teachers and administrators are more dictatorial and activist than ever and don't tolerate opinions that differ from theirs...no one spends more time on social media than the teachers I know, virtue signaling and sharing memes and making comments that they think make them appear smarter and more evolved that anyone who dares to disagree with them...it's pretty amusing

....if you spend any time with a teacher and see the materials that encourage and direct their teaching or if you are involved in schools and see what and how the kids are being taught it's abundantly obvious and it's poisonous

after Jan 6th, I got a letter from my kid's school superintendent telling me what to think about what happened there as it relates to racism and he provided lot's of links where I could go to tell me how to explain to my kids all of the racism involved in what happened on Jan 6th

that's not education, that's activism and propaganda and someone wandering WAY out of their lane using their position to push their beliefs .....they are not educators/administrators FIRST... but political activists

this is correct, there is no CRT101 to select as a course but CRT is being woven into the curriculum just like every other leftists pet cause, they are not educating, they are attempting to indoctrinate children, turning them into useful little social justice warriors and probably democrat voters...and they'll mock you for pointing this out


there is no open/out of the box thinking in schools, teachers and administrators are more dictatorial and activist than ever and don't tolerate opinions that differ from theirs...no one spends more time on social media than the teachers I know, virtue signaling and sharing memes and making comments that they think make them appear smarter and more evolved that anyone who dares to disagree with them...it's pretty amusing

....if you spend any time with a teacher and see the materials that encourage and direct their teaching or if you are involved in schools and see what and how the kids are being taught it's abundantly obvious and it's poisonous

after Jan 6th, I got a letter from my kid's school superintendent telling me what to think about what happened there as it relates to racism and he provided lot's of links where I could go to tell me how to explain to my kids all of the racism involved in what happened on Jan 6th

that's not education, that's activism and propaganda and someone wandering WAY out of their lane using their position to push their beliefs .....they are not educators/administrators FIRST... but political activists

and if you get angry over any of that, you’re a domestic terrorist,
according to the Biden administration.

and what happened in VA and NJ tuesday, in my opinion, was a repudiation of all that. Two states that a month ago no one doubted would remain blue, turned 10+ points to the right after 10 months of what you described. If those two states pivoted that far to the right, where are we in swing states like FL and NC?
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and what happened in VA and NJ tuesday, in my opinion, was a repudiation of all that.

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lots of stupid misinformed voters obviously, should all be locked up in concentration camps probably...don't know what's best for them and their kids and need government led by leftists to decide for them

"The Center for Renewing America developed a glossary of buzzwords and definitions frequently used to disguise the CRT teaching concepts in the classroom. From the website, "Critical Race Theory isn't always presented as Critical Race Theory. The framework of CRT can be utilized to frame other concepts or present them in an inappropriate context." In plain speak, by parsing, substituting, or rephrasing key terminology, school administrators and teachers covertly incorporated the CRT language and the pedagogy into their daily lesson planning.

A Virginia school district spent $30,000 on Critical Race Theory training for administrators.

When McAuliffe was Virginia's governor, he encouraged teachers "to embrace Critical Race Theory as part of its Culturally-Responsive Teaching and Learning Principles, with a stated desire to re-engineer attitudes and belief systems."

The CRT ideology is so prevalent in Virginia public schools that in 2019, not only did several VA school superintendents endorse CRT in a memo to district teachers, but one school superintendent promoted both Critical Race Theory and the idea of "White Fragility;" based on the book of the same name by Robin DiAngelo.

Another VA superintendent's memo endorsed "Foundations of Critical Race Theory in Education" as an important resource, which enables and will ensure race-based developments in education.

On the Virginia Department of Education website the words "Critical Race Theory" appear multiple times. "

No bias in that source

The Center for Renewing America is a right-leaning nonprofit organization created by Russell Vought, director of the Office of Management and Budget under former President Donald Trump. The organization’s work focuses on opposing censorship of conservatives big tech companies, opposing the spread of critical race theory, and advocating for stricter security measures in U.S. elections.

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”. But there are kids who reportedly read in school a book called “not my idea”.

in this book, the devil makes deals with people, binding them to whiteness, promising riches of stolen land and stolen property. because that’s what all honkeys are guilty of.

it’s not called critical race theory. but if parents are being honest about kids reading this, then racially divisiveness crap is being forced in our kids there.

there is a limit to how much garbage americans are willing to have been dumped on them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/08/opinion/fallacy-whiteness/%3foutputType=amp
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Now is a slow drip. Goal post moving again .. so now it’s a secret attack that just started since Biden took office . Lol
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this is correct, there is no CRT101 to select as a course but CRT is being woven into the curriculum just like every other leftists pet cause, they are not educating, they are attempting to indoctrinate children, turning them into useful little social justice warriors and probably democrat voters...and they'll mock you for pointing this out


there is no open/out of the box thinking in schools, teachers and administrators are more dictatorial and activist than ever and don't tolerate opinions that differ from theirs...no one spends more time on social media than the teachers I know, virtue signaling and sharing memes and making comments that they think make them appear smarter and more evolved that anyone who dares to disagree with them...it's pretty amusing

....if you spend any time with a teacher and see the materials that encourage and direct their teaching or if you are involved in schools and see what and how the kids are being taught it's abundantly obvious and it's poisonous

after Jan 6th, I got a letter from my kid's school superintendent telling me what to think about what happened there as it relates to racism and he provided lot's of links where I could go to tell me how to explain to my kids all of the racism involved in what happened on Jan 6th

that's not education, that's activism and propaganda and someone wandering WAY out of their lane using their position to push their beliefs .....they are not educators/administrators FIRST... but political activists

Scotts on the kool aid ! and down the rabbit hole with the rest of the CRT is happening crowd .

Theses are the same parents who can’t do their kids math . Want schools to discipline their kids or just babysit till they get home from work . Never gone to a parent teacher conference.. but they know what CRT is and where it’s being taught…. Ya ok . But please keep convincing that’s what’s happening
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This whole CRT moral panic isn't about white kids being made to feel guilty, it's about the anxiety some people feel about white kids learning to empathize with the pain and suffering of black people in the American past, and learning to condemn the white people who inflicted it.

If calling out the undeniably racist and oppressive actions of white people who lived over 150 years ago makes a 21st century white person feel guilty, then that's not really the teacher's fault, is it? Just seems like an invitation to some self-reflection.

Working to build cross-racial solidarity, empathy, and trust has long been part of the American democratic tradition. Working to undermine that has long been part of the American antidemocratic tradition. Choose accordingly.

It's also important to note that the history of enslaved people, when taught well, also teaches children to identify with the resilience and resistance of black people in the American past, and to recognize the bull#^&#^&#^&#^& justifications that white people gave for white supremacy.

The history of slavery, when taught well, also teaches kids to understand power in systemic terms. Slavery was not just interpersonal nastiness or some negative attitudes in some peoples' heads, it was an integrated political, economic, social, and cultural system.

That system was reproduced, day by day, by the actions and inactions of the overwhelming majority of white people who lived at the time. Trying to understand how so many otherwise "nice, well-educated, people of faith" could be complicit with such horror seems worthwhile.

But in a larger sense, it’s about preserving the notion of individualism that lies at the heart of American capitalism. As soon as you begin to doubt that, you begin to question the underlying premises of consumer capitalism on which monopoly capitalism rests.

Here, we see the young Loudon County teacher who quit this summer over racially divisiveness nonsense that was being rammed down her throat.

Again, there might not have been a pamphlet called "CRT", but we all know what we're talking about, the notion that whites all owe some debt because of our collective privilege.

Did this teacher walk away from her career, over something she fabricated?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/loudoun-county-teacher-no-regrets-quitting-critical-race-theory-lessons

Keep saying that they're all racists and liars, that strategy is working really well.

Biden won in 2020 because he wasn't Trump. Trump is gone now (hopefully for good, which somehow makes me a Trumplican for saying that), so the democrats are going to have to find something else to use, to appeal to Americans. They were unable to come up with that something, in the light-blue state of VA.

There's so many accomplishments the democrats can point to, as their selling point for 2022...not being able to pass an infastructure bill that everyone wants (even though they control the entire federal government), boys in girls bathrooms, boys competing against girls in physical sports, inflation, surging gas prices, late term abortions, defunding police (completely rejected in Minneapolis, the birthplace of the 2020 riots), teaching white children that they are born stained with sin, closing schools, tax increases, green new deals, open borders, wiping out student loans, calling everyone a racist who disagrees with you on any subject...I mean come on! These are issues that all of America will rally behind!

Pretty close recital of Fox headlines

Ironically, Critical Race Theory is exactly the framework you need to explain why Critical Race Theory is the exact boogeyman for Republicans to employ to win elections.

There is no course in Loudon County called “critical race theory”. But there are kids who reportedly read in school a book called “not my idea”.
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Jim’s been radicalized and doesn’t even know it .

Conservative activists and pundits across the United States have weaponized the theory — a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is woven into the country’s past and institutions — to claim that equity-conscious school systems are teaching children to hate one another, and White children to hate themselves.

Sucker born everyday

Loudoun, a county of roughly 420,000 just outside the nation’s capital, where the median income was $142,299 in 2019 (more than twice the national average).

So this county is also rich

Who or what motivates conservatives base more than the idea of rich white educated elites telling them what’s what..

GOP fear everything unless we say otherwise . And the sheep follow
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Theses are the same parents who Never gone to a parent teacher conference..
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they go to BOE meetings, maybe you haven't seen the videos. And they get called domestic terrorists for being angry at BOE meetings...

how do you know they don't go to parent teacher conferences? I'd be very, very curious to know where you got that from?

Youre 180 degrees wrong. These are the parents who bothered to see what was being taught, and who are trying to change it. These are the involved parents, who McAulife said they had no right to a say in what gets taught.

Scotts on the kool aid !

Theses are the same parents who can’t do their kids math .


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that's original and....

you don't know the difference between ..your...you're

I wonder how your math is :spin:

Pretty close recital of Fox headlines

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that's original

Jim’s been radicalized and doesn’t even know it .

Conservative activists and pundits across the United States have weaponized the theory — a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is woven into the country’s past and institutions — to claim that equity-conscious school systems are teaching children to hate one another, and White children to hate themselves.

Sucker born everyday

Loudoun, a county of roughly 420,000 just outside the nation’s capital, where the median income was $142,299 in 2019 (more than twice the national average).

So this county is also rich

Who or what motivates conservatives base more than the idea of rich white educated elites telling them what’s what..

GOP fear everything unless we say otherwise . And the sheep follow
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wtf is this?

I read an interview with the author of Not My Idea, interesting viewpoint.
Oddly enough, the same people who are upset that the Suess family pulled some titles from publication are upset that their children can read this book.

"I made a book for white children that encourages them to connect with their heartbreak about racism. I urge them to tune into their deepest instincts about justice—which I trust—and to nourish those instincts like bean sprouts in a milk carton. I assure them that racism is not their idea and they don’t need to defend it; they can be curious instead.

Rather than being curious about your own experience, you fuss at me about the book I made and how much it leaves to kids’ imaginations: They might not like themselves; they might think police only kill Black people; they might draw sweeping conclusions about white supremacy being evil.

I’m cool with all of that. As long as kids continue to be curious, those beliefs will shift. I want kids clued in on the fact that racism is a system, a setup, a game that has been rigged, and to let them know they get to choose how they want to be. The experience of race they most need to understand is their own. The people they most need to talk to about race are their own family members. That’s where I started and where I am content to stop."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/anastasia-higginbotham-not-my-idea-children-police-killings/619087/

You can watch someone read the book for free here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_f2lGrv44o

not my idea is for ages 8-12...

this is like teaching 8-12 or "encouraging them to connect with their heartbreak about" rape....rape/racism are not something on their radar...why not let these kids grow up loving and respecting their peers regardless of color instead of injecting racism and pointing out differences based on those at this age?

here some favorable reviews

"Not My Idea is a sincere look at racial hierarchies—usually unspoken"

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is packed with information and context but avoids being preachy

Not My Idea a Book About Whiteness is a picture book about racism and racial justice, inviting white children and parents to become curious about racism

“Not My Idea Helping young white people dismantle white supremacy is urgently needed; this book is a primer on how to begin.”

again..8-12 year olds...probably can't spell hierarchies

there is quite a list of interesting books that target 8-12 year olds regarding race, sexuality etc....

it's a long way from Stars Upon Thars....

wtf is this?

ranting gibberish.
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not my idea is for ages 8-12...

this is like teaching 8-12 or "encouraging them to connect with their heartbreak about" rape....rape/racism are not something on their radar...why not let these kids grow up loving and respecting their peers regardless of color instead of injecting racism and pointing out differences based on those at this age?

here some favorable reviews

"Not My Idea is a sincere look at racial hierarchies—usually unspoken"

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is packed with information and context but avoids being preachy

Not My Idea a Book About Whiteness is a picture book about racism and racial justice, inviting white children and parents to become curious about racism

“Not My Idea Helping young white people dismantle white supremacy is urgently needed; this book is a primer on how to begin.”

again..8-12 year olds...probably can't spell hierarchies

there is quite a list of interesting books that target 8-12 year olds regarding race, sexuality etc....

it's a long way from Stars Upon Thars....

you made that all up.
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Jim’s been radicalized and doesn’t even know it .

Conservative activists and pundits across the United States have weaponized the theory — a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is woven into the country’s past and institutions — to claim that equity-conscious school systems are teaching children to hate one another, and White children to hate themselves.

Sucker born everyday

Loudoun, a county of roughly 420,000 just outside the nation’s capital, where the median income was $142,299 in 2019 (more than twice the national average).

So this county is also rich

Who or what motivates conservatives base more than the idea of rich white educated elites telling them what’s what..

GOP fear everything unless we say otherwise . And the sheep follow
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Loudon is indeed rich and white. it’s also very liberal, a county that McAuliffe won easily. they are liberal enough to be willing to sacrifice a few of their daughters on the altar of liberal woke virtue signaling.

it’s a deeply, deeply liberal place. that’s fact.

where the hell do you get your information? and what logic do you use,,to try and piece it together?

here’s a link. McAuluffe easily won Loudon County. f that county wasn’t so radically liberal, McAuliffe probably would have won. They LIED about a rape, because expanding the trans bathroom policy was more important. They are also very obviously using racial divisiveness in the classroom. public records show that state education officials referred to CRT very specifically by name, said it was a great tool in education.

i’m not making one speck of that up. if you can’t accept it because it doesn’t help your side, that’s your problem. it’s probably about to become a bigger problem
for you, because conservatives are going to be beyond energized and seizing on the formula that worked in blue VA.

https://www.vpap.org/electionresults/20211102/office-governor/loudoun-county-va/

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not my idea is for ages 8-12...

this is like teaching 8-12 or "encouraging them to connect with their heartbreak about" rape....rape/racism are not something on their radar...why not let these kids grow up loving and respecting their peers regardless of color instead of injecting racism and pointing out differences based on those at this age?

here some favorable reviews

"Not My Idea is a sincere look at racial hierarchies—usually unspoken"

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is packed with information and context but avoids being preachy

Not My Idea a Book About Whiteness is a picture book about racism and racial justice, inviting white children and parents to become curious about racism

“Not My Idea Helping young white people dismantle white supremacy is urgently needed; this book is a primer on how to begin.”

again..8-12 year olds...probably can't spell hierarchies

there is quite a list of interesting books that target 8-12 year olds regarding race, sexuality etc....

it's a long way from Stars Upon Thars....

and i haven’t heard education officials in Loudon deny that this book ( not my idea) is in classrooms. so we’re only wrong to the extent that it’s not all called CRT, but that’s clearly what it is. call it whatever you want. parents don’t care what it’s called, they just want it out of public schools. liberals want it in. that’s clearly a winning issue for republicans.
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Let me get this straight
White parents are fine with their children being exposed to a deadly, highly-communicable airborne disease which has killed 750,000 people in the U.S. alone, but teaching them the actual history of the U.S. is harmful to their kids. OK.

Let me get this straight
White parents are fine with their children being exposed to a deadly, highly-communicable airborne disease which has killed 750,000 people in the U.S. alone, but teaching them the actual history of the U.S. is harmful to their kids. OK.

if that's how you rationalize things...well.....

Let me get this straight
White parents are fine with their children being exposed to a deadly, highly-communicable airborne disease which has killed 750,000 people in the U.S. alone, but teaching them the actual history of the U.S. is harmful to their kids. OK.

blacks have much lower vaccination rates
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if that's how you rationalize things...well.....

I suppose you're happier with this

GOP: Teachin' slavery was real is racist.

GOP: Blacks demandin' equality is racist.

GOP: There's no racism in America, except by minorities.

GOP: Bannin' books is good.

GOP: Nazi salutes are "free speech".

GOP: Violence to win elections is "patriotic.

I suppose you're happier with this

GOP: Teachin' slavery was real is racist.

GOP: Blacks demandin' equality is racist.

GOP: There's no racism in America, except by minorities.

GOP: Bannin' books is good.

GOP: Nazi salutes are "free speech".

GOP: Violence to win elections is "patriotic.

show me a republican with influence, who is opposed to teaching about slavery. you literally just make stuff up out of thin air. i’d imagine that’s tiring.

here’s something that actually happened, something that actually took place. democrats claimed that people making the nazi salute, are domestic terrorists. that was in the school board letter .

you don’t think making the nazi salute is free speech? seriously? it should be a crime?

Your world is getting darker and darker Pete.


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here’s something that actually happened, something that actually took place. democrats claimed that people making the nazi salute, are domestic terrorists. that was in the school board letter .
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This never happened Jim.

I suppose you're happier with this

GOP: Teachin' slavery was real is racist.

GOP: Blacks demandin' equality is racist.

GOP: There's no racism in America, except by minorities.

GOP: Bannin' books is good.

GOP: Nazi salutes are "free speech".

GOP: Violence to win elections is "patriotic.

show me a republican with influence, who is opposed to teaching about slavery. you literally just make stuff up out of thin air. i’d imagine that’s tiring.

here’s something that actually happened, something that actually took place. democrats claimed that people making the nazi salute, are domestic terrorists. that was in the school board letter .

you don’t think making the nazi salute is free speech? seriously? it should be a crime?

Your world is getting darker and darker Pete.


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Once again you pick a couple of items out of a list, just like Rafael with his performance at the hearing.

Would you be upset if a teacher said this?

“Think about this. For 246 years, slavery was legal in America. It wasn’t made illegal until 154 years ago,” the 26-year-old teacher told the 23 students sitting before him at Fort Dodge Middle School. “So, what does that mean? It means slavery has been a part of America much longer than it hasn’t been a part of America.”

It is a simple observation, but it is also a revelatory way to think about slavery in America and its inextricable role in the country’s founding, evolution and present. Ours is a nation born as much in chains as in freedom. A century and a half after slavery was made illegal — and 400 years after the first documented arrival of enslaved people from Africa in Virginia — the trauma of this inherited disease lingers.

I suppose you're happier with this

GOP: Teachin' slavery was real is racist.

GOP: Blacks demandin' equality is racist.

GOP: There's no racism in America, except by minorities.

GOP: Bannin' books is good.

GOP: Nazi salutes are "free speech".

GOP: Violence to win elections is "patriotic.

who in the GOP has ever said any of these things?

who in the GOP has ever said any of these things?

Google is available for you to use

who in the GOP has ever said any of these things?

i’d agree that nazi salutes are free speech. the rest of that is looney tunes.

this is how liberals try to convince themselves that republicans actually think. if we actually believed any of that lunacy, it would be so
easy to dismiss and defeat us, and even if they lose occasionally, it’s virtuous to tell yourself you at least stood up to evil.

none of them has ever listened to a rational, decent conservative person. they’re too afraid to. because then they can no longer rely on the evil caricature of conservatives that they’ve created

his post there is very, very revealing. We’re all Darth Vader. .
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i’d agree that nazi salutes are free speech. the rest of that is looney tunes.

this is how liberals try to convince themselves that republicans actually think. if we actually believed any of that lunacy, it would be so
easy to dismiss and defeat us, and even if they lose occasionally, it’s virtuous to tell yourself you at least stood up to evil.

none of them has ever listened to a rational, decent conservative person. they’re too afraid to. because then they can no longer rely on the evil caricature of conservatives that they’ve created

his post there is very, very revealing. We’re all Darth Vader. .
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You actually never listen to yourself if you think you fit as a rational, decent, conservative person.

Tell me how Liz Cheney is a RINO?

i’d agree that nazi salutes are free speech. the rest of that is looney tunes.


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you'd better be careful reaching for something around pete...he might demand you be convicted of a war crime

You actually never listen to yourself....



hysterical coming from you :laugha:

This never happened Jim.

Are you saying that when the school board wrote the letter, and listed examples of things that might be domestic terrorism, that the nazi salute wasn't on the list? Is that what you're saying?

To the question on CRT not being in schools...Spence, can I teach Marxism, without ever mentioning Karl Marx? If I advocate for his ideals, isn't that advocating for Marxism?

CRT isn't a copyrighted name brand.

From Brittanica...

"critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. "

Anyone who teaches this theory, advocates for this theory, is teaching critical race theory. It doesn't matter what label you put on it. If I buy a bottle of coke and change the label, it's still coke inside the bottle.

This is such a stupid and intellectually lazy argument. And it won't help the left next November either.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

Pete, do you know who said on TV, that the nazi salute was protected free speech? Merrick Garland said that. He said that, when asked by Senator Ted Cruz.

Remind me, which party does he belong to?

Pete, do you know who said on TV, that the nazi salute was protected free speech? Merrick Garland said that. He said that, when asked by Senator Ted Cruz.

Remind me, which party does he belong to?

Apparently he looks like a political operative to you

Perhaps you can explain just what makes Liz Cheney a RINO?

2021-Present: U.S. attorney general
1997-2021: Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
2013-2020: Chief judge
1994-1997: Principal Associate Deputy U.S. Attorney General
1993-1994: Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney, Criminal Prosecutions Division of the United States Department of Justice
1992-1993: Attorney, private practice
1989-1992: Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia
1981-1989: Attorney, private practice
1979-1981: Special Assistant United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
1978-1979: Law clerk for Associate Justice of the United States William J. Brennan, Jr.
1977-1978: Law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly in the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals

Apparently he looks like a political operative to you

Perhaps you can explain just what makes Liz Cheney a RINO?

2021-Present: U.S. attorney general
1997-2021: Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
2013-2020: Chief judge
1994-1997: Principal Associate Deputy U.S. Attorney General
1993-1994: Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney, Criminal Prosecutions Division of the United States Department of Justice
1992-1993: Attorney, private practice
1989-1992: Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia
1981-1989: Attorney, private practice
1979-1981: Special Assistant United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
1978-1979: Law clerk for Associate Justice of the United States William J. Brennan, Jr.
1977-1978: Law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly in the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals

"Apparently he looks like a political operative to you"

Where did you say political operatives? You criticized republicans for saying the nazi salute is free speech. Garland agrees. And you STILL can't admit I made a point.

Why on earth, would you point out that Liz Cheney was in private practice from 1981-1989, as evidence she's not a RINO? How could that POSSIBLY mean she's not a RINO?

There was a civil war within the GOP. It's over. Liz Cheney's side lost. And I don't intensely dislike Liz Cheney or anything, but she's no longer the preferred brand of Republican.

The civil war among democrats is just beginning, and lord almighty is it entertaining.

"Apparently he looks like a political operative to you"

Where did you say political operatives? You criticized republicans for saying the nazi salute is free speech. Garland agrees. And you STILL can't admit I made a point.

Why on earth, would you point out that Liz Cheney was in private practice from 1981-1989, as evidence she's not a RINO? How could that POSSIBLY mean she's not a RINO?

There was a civil war within the GOP. It's over. Liz Cheney's side lost. And I don't intensely dislike Liz Cheney or anything, but she's no longer the preferred brand of Republican.

The civil war among democrats is just beginning, and lord almighty is it entertaining.

That's Merrick Garland's CV

The preferred brand are all Trumplicans, he is the leader of the Republican party

Once again you pick a couple of items out of a list

You've don that a lot.

Would you be upset if a teacher said this?

“Think about this. For 246 years, slavery was legal in America. It wasn’t made illegal until 154 years ago,” the 26-year-old teacher told the 23 students sitting before him at Fort Dodge Middle School. “So, what does that mean? It means slavery has been a part of America much longer than it hasn’t been a part of America.”

It is a simple observation, but it is also a revelatory way to think about slavery in America and its inextricable role in the country’s founding, evolution and present. Ours is a nation born as much in chains as in freedom. A century and a half after slavery was made illegal — and 400 years after the first documented arrival of enslaved people from Africa in Virginia — the trauma of this inherited disease lingers.

I would be upset if someone as myopic as the teacher you refer to was actually allowed to teach history.

Slavery has been a part of the recorded world longer than it not being part of it. It's even still part of the world that is older than "America."

So, by this teacher's reasoning, the whole world of human nations must have been "born" as much in chains as in freedom. The whole world must need CRT.

The amalgamation of what was referred to as America was not a separate sovereign nation during most of the 400 years. And since it became a sovereign republic, slavery was only part of the republic for 89 of it's 245 years, so it has been a part of the U.S. far less than when it wasn't a part of the U.S..

So, if this more than less formula is a model for needing CRT, maybe we are less in need of CRT than most. If in need at all. If CRT can actually and satisfactorily solve racial inequity without creating a worse systemic monster. In my opinion, it is the old authoritarian, actually dictatorial, way of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

I would be upset if someone as myopic as the teacher you refer to was actually allowed to teach history.

Slavery has been a part of the recorded world longer than it not being part of it. It's even still part of the world that is older than "America."

So, by this teacher's reasoning, the whole world of human nations must have been "born" as much in chains as in freedom. The whole world must need CRT.

The amalgamation of what was referred to as America was not a separate sovereign nation during most of the 400 years. And since it became a sovereign republic, slavery was only part of the republic for 89 of it's 245 years, so it has been a part of the U.S. far less than when it wasn't a part of the U.S..

So, if this more than less formula is a model for needing CRT, maybe we are less in need of CRT than most. If in need at all. If CRT can actually and satisfactorily solve racial inequity without creating a worse systemic monster. In my opinion, it is the old authoritarian, actually dictatorial, way of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Easy enough to change that to “on this continent.” Unless you claim that with the Declaration of Independence we were miraculously reborn with blank minds.
We are not dealing with the rest of the world. Aren’t you the guy who says we should let the rest of the world take care of itself, that we shouldn’t be the world’s policeman.
Slavery was so much a part of this country that 750,000 Americans died in a fight over it 150 years ago, then we had the 14th, 15th and 24th amendments reconstruction, Jim Crow which lasted thru WW2
Then the civil rights act of 1957, 64, 68, 91
But pay no attention to any of that, everything in America is and has always been perfect.
Because the conservative position is that all criticism or change is bad. Except climate change, which doesn't exist.
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Are you saying that when the school board wrote the letter, and listed examples of things that might be domestic terrorism, that the nazi salute wasn't on the list? Is that what you're saying?
I'm saying the school board letter didn't attach any specific law to any specific threat, nor did it say any of these threats should be prosecuted. It simply was asking for help to determine what protections may be available.

To the question on CRT not being in schools...Spence, can I teach Marxism, without ever mentioning Karl Marx? If I advocate for his ideals, isn't that advocating for Marxism?

CRT isn't a copyrighted name brand.
There is a concentrated effort on the Right to bring anything that will activate some people under a master umbrella of CRT, then use anecdotes as evidence they are right. It seems to be working, yours are all twisted up in a bunch.

I'm saying the school board letter didn't attach any specific law to any specific threat, nor did it say any of these threats should be prosecuted. It simply was asking for help to determine what protections may be available.


There is a concentrated effort on the Right to bring anything that will activate some people under a master umbrella of CRT, then use anecdotes as evidence they are right. It seems to be working, yours are all twisted up in a bunch.

according to many senators, the school board letter listed examples of behavior that had them concerned enough to ask the feds for terrorism help. one of the examples, was making the nazi salute.

i never said a specific law was quoted, what are you talking about?
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I'm saying the school board letter didn't attach any specific law to any specific threat, nor did it say any of these threats should be prosecuted. It simply was asking for help to determine what protections may be available.


There is a concentrated effort on the Right to bring anything that will activate some people under a master umbrella of CRT, then use anecdotes as evidence they are right. It seems to be working, yours are all twisted up in a bunch.

my kids are in catholic school
and thus aren’t vulnerable to your side’s attempted indoctrination. mine aren’t in any bunch, i have no dog in this hunt.
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Easy enough to change that to “on this continent.”

Slavery existed on this continent before Columbus.
And, on this continent, several Blacks owned slaves.

Unless you claim that with the Declaration of Independence we were miraculously reborn with blank minds.

It wasn't miraculous, nor was it rebirth. It was a birth delivered in blood and conceived not by blank minds, but by brave men with minds formed through the rare experience of actual freedom from the grips of tyrannical government. They did not believe that what they created was perfect. But more perfect than before and a blueprint for becoming more so.

We are not dealing with the rest of the world. Aren’t you the guy who says we should let the rest of the world take care of itself, that we shouldn’t be the world’s policeman.

Analysis and policing are not the same. Comparative analysis is highly instructive. The the larger and more universal the scope, the greater the reliability of the results. Unless you prefer little minds trapped in provincial tunnel vision.

Slavery was so much a part of this country that 750,000 Americans died in a fight over it 150 years ago, then we had the 14th, 15th and 24th amendments reconstruction, Jim Crow which lasted thru WW2
Then the civil rights act of 1957, 64, 68, 91

I don't know why you think that I, nor anyone I know, doesn't know all that.

But pay no attention to any of that, everything in America is and has always been perfect.

Nor do I know why you think I or anyone I know believes that. The Founders certainly didn't. They instituted a government that would give us a chance to evolve toward that elusive but impossible perfection. But, if we are to believe what CRT tells us, because they were all "white" their Constitution is riddled with "whiteness" and therefor systemically racist.

Because the conservative position is that all criticism or change is bad. Except climate change, which doesn't exist.
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Since you ask me to pay no attention because of what you claim is the conservative position (I assume you think I am a "conservative"), I am flummoxed at how you arrive at such proclamations about me. I don't think all criticism is bad. I do a lot of criticism. As I'm sure those who you point to as "conservative" do as well. And it certainly is no position that I nor any Republicans I know hold that all change is bad. I'm sure that most of us, including you, believe that some changes can be bad.

according to many senators, the school board letter listed examples of behavior that had them concerned enough to ask the feds for terrorism help. one of the examples, was making the nazi salute.

i never said a specific law was quoted, what are you talking about?
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You said he was being described as a domestic terrorist, it's part of your bad habit of conflating statements, taking them out of context and then dipping the mess in hyperbole.

You said he was being described as a domestic terrorist, it's part of your bad habit of conflating statements, taking them out of context and then dipping the mess in hyperbole.

i said the act of giving a nazi salute, was listed as a possible act of domestic terrorism by the school board.

why is that worth mentioning to the justice department? someone calls you a nazi, and you call the feds?

you guys went too far spence. that’s how i read this. the dnc moves a bit to the center, or they get absolutely creamed in 2022. unless things ( inflation, gas prices, covid) improve drastically, they have to move to the center, because that’s where america is. you guys can’t limit your focus on trump anymore.

AOC, one of the dumbest and unaccomplished people
on the planet, somehow has the power to lurch the whole party way to the left of where america is. what works i. san francisco and the upper wear side of manhattan,,doesn’t olay well in NC and FL. i don’t say that because i like it ( though i do like it). I say it because it’s true.

all they need to do to get back on track, is pass the infastructure bill, which everyone wants. The squad won’t let them, unless they pass a zillion dollar liberal utopia bill. why are those things necessarily connected?
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my kids are in catholic school
and thus aren’t vulnerable to your side’s attempted indoctrination. mine aren’t in any bunch, i have no dog in this hunt.
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So just what did the catholic school have your child work on that triggered you?
Or?
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Since you ask me to pay no attention because of what you claim is the conservative position (I assume you think I am a "conservative"), I am flummoxed at how you arrive at such proclamations about me. I don't think all criticism is bad. I do a lot of criticism. As I'm sure those who you point to as "conservative" do as well. And it certainly is no position that I nor any Republicans I know hold that all change is bad. I'm sure that most of us, including you, believe that some changes can be bad.
So?
Lots of verbal diarrhea, claiming that anyone looking at our history thru a unfiltered lense will do just what?
Or is it that because some people hold the cards they should continue to decide what filters are acceptable?
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So?

??

Lots of verbal diarrhea, claiming that anyone looking at our history thru a unfiltered lense will do just what?

???

Or is it that because some people hold the cards they should continue to decide what filters are acceptable?
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???? Needs some filters. Makes no sense. Maybe you should decide to change your filters.

So just what did the catholic school have your child work on that triggered you?
Or?
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just because i’m bitch-slapping you all over the place here, doesn’t mean i’m triggered. You are confusing “triggered” with “winning”.

look them up in the dictionary, you’ll see what i mean. As you like to say, a simple google search will do.
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just because i’m bitch-slapping you all over the place here, doesn’t mean i’m triggered.

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:rotf2: ALMOST LOST MY COFFEE

just because i’m bitch-slapping you all over the place here, doesn’t mean i’m triggered. You are confusing “triggered” with “winning”.

look them up in the dictionary, you’ll see what i mean. As you like to say, a simple google search will do.
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Poor girl
You still can’t produce what your child was required to do
Were you lying?
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Poor girl
You still can’t produce what your child was required to do
Were you lying?
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do you think that every single person showing examples of kids work related to CRT theory, is lying?

Pete, it was a report he had to write a year ago when he was in public school. i’m sure we don’t still have it, i’m sorry. Something about listing the ways he benefits from his white privilege and listing ways he can level the playing field. something like that. he also had to watch a cartoon showing two boys making out, and the message was that he should be an engaged activist for their rights. not merely accepting them, but spending his weekends fighting for their rights.

he’s not in that school anymore.
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Do conservatives not spend quality time with their kids? Does the party of family values not have values to impart to their kids?
I never worried my kid was going to turn out to be a bigot after they see a bigot on TV or read about one in a book. Nor did I think they would catch gay from someone.
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I never worried my kid was going to turn out to be a bigot after they see a bigot on TV or read about one in a book. Nor did I think they would catch gay from someone.

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me neither X 3....

Do conservatives not spend quality time with their kids? Does the party of family values not have values to impart to their kids?
I never worried my kid was going to turn out to be a bigot after they see a bigot on TV or read about one in a book. Nor did I think they would catch gay from someone.
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So parents with strong family values who spend quality time with their kids should not concern themselves with what schools teach their children? Nor should they be concerned about what is taught to the children of parents who don't spend quality time with them? Should they not be concerned and active in the politics of their community and of their country? Should they feel satisfied that their home life is sufficient to assure that their children will not be corrupted and damaged by what happens outside of their home?

Perhaps you shouldn't be so vociferously concerned with what goes on outside of your perfect home. Or be so insistent that things like the messaging of CRT should be introduced in our educational institutions. It's all good. Don't be afraid. Teaching children good traditional American "conservative" values (maybe even some intelligent design) won't hurt them. After all, you've inoculated yours against such trash with quality time in your perfect home.

So parents with strong family values who spend quality time with their kids should not concern themselves with what schools teach their children? Nor should they be concerned about what is taught to the children of parents who don't spend quality time with them? Should they not be concerned and active in the politics of their community and of their country? Should they feel satisfied that their home life is sufficient to assure that their children will not be corrupted and damaged by what happens outside of their home?

Perhaps you shouldn't be so vociferously concerned with what goes on outside of your perfect home. Or be so insistent that things like the messaging of CRT should be introduced in our educational institutions. It's all good. Don't be afraid. Teaching children good traditional American "conservative" values (maybe even some intelligent design) won't hurt them. After all, you've inoculated yours against such trash with quality time in your perfect home.

Proposed list of books to be banned, children will be safe then
The Base should be happy

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Proposed list of books to be banned, children will be safe then
The Base should be happy

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But you should be happy too. Your children are immune to such stuff. You spend quality time with them.

The great gaslighting is that Critical Race Theory is not being "taught" in the schools. The truth is that it is not being taught as a subject, rather it is being practiced in the schools. It is being done, brought to fruition, in the schools--critical race "praxis" is in our schools. This is part two, the final part, of the video in post 13:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9R4YQ6_Mv8

The great gaslighting is that Critical Race Theory is not being "taught" in the schools. The truth is that it is not being taught as a subject, rather it is being practiced in the schools. It is being done, brought to fruition, in the schools--critical race "praxis" is in our schools. This is part two, the final part, of the video in post 13:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9R4YQ6_Mv8

liberals say “it’s not taught” because there’s no class called CRT. but i can teach marxism without there being a class explicitly called marxism. it’s nonsense.
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You can also teach white supremacy without calling it that.

Overt, ugly acts of bigotry attract the most attention, the most potent component of racism is "positioning the bigot as the actual victim."

"So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin," he wrote. "The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead 'to' change the subject and strawman."

The recent debate over CRT is the latest variation of frame-flipping. But conservatives have used similar tactics to thwart the feminist movement and to notch victories in the culture wars on American campuses.
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You can also teach white supremacy without calling it that.

Tell us specifically how white supremacy is being taught in our public schools.

Overt, ugly acts of bigotry attract the most attention, the most potent component of racism is "positioning the bigot as the actual victim."

A most potent component of gaslighting, mischaracterizing, and outright lying is to call things what they are not. "Racist" and "racism" are powerful examples of words that are misused in order to cow the accused into silence or acquiescence.

"So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin," he wrote. "The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead 'to' change the subject and strawman."

Imputing such notions to masses of people that don't have them is a most potent component of gaslighting those masses into compliance.

The recent debate over CRT is the latest variation of frame-flipping. But conservatives have used similar tactics to thwart the feminist movement and to notch victories in the culture wars on American campuses.
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CRT is a variation of frame-flipping.

And feminists do not all agree with each other, and some of the older advocates disagree with the rhetoric of new ones. Nor are most women feminists. Which is probably the most potent reason why feminists are thwarted.

Group think, in general, is a potent way to influence, and is more potent when various groups coalesce to create dominant cultures that clash with the prevailing one. The various anti "white supremacy" (especially white male supremacy) groups that have joined together have predominantly changed the culture in American education, especially university and college education, in order to support and teach their political and philosophical views. They have to a great degree flipped the American academic culture.

That cultural flip is all about power, not a debate or means to arrive at a universal truth. Power is the most potent component of the Post-Modern philosophy that fundamentally drives the Neo-Marxist component of most current leftist groups that are attempting to impose their will on the foundational components of what we refer to as Western Civilization--the foundation that spurred the American Revolution.

Western Civilization promotes universal truths that apply to every individual. Unfortunately, "white" people supposedly were who nurtured and crafted this civilization. So, therefore, it is a creation in the interests of white people. Ergo, it oppresses the wills and desires of non-"whites."

Specifically, the American foundation, is accused of being a house of white cards. Non-whites are not allowed to join the game. Unless, of course, they show abaisance, bow and scrape, and do the white man's will, act white, do what is required by whites to succeed in a white world.

So, therefore within the "white" created structure which assures supreme "white" racial power, all whites are inherently "racist." And, of course, such a thing is fundamentally wrong and contemptible. Not sure why if there are no universal truths and the end game is power.

CRT is a variation of frame-flipping.

And feminists do not all agree with each other, and some of the older advocates disagree with the rhetoric of new ones. Nor are most women feminists. Which is probably the most potent reason why feminists are thwarted.

Group think, in general, is a potent way to influence, and is more potent when various groups coalesce to create dominant cultures that clash with the prevailing one. The various anti "white supremacy" (especially white male supremacy) groups that have joined together have predominantly changed the culture in American education, especially university and college education, in order to support and teach their political and philosophical views. They have to a great degree flipped the American academic culture.

That cultural flip is all about power, not a debate or means to arrive at a universal truth. Power is the most potent component of the Post-Modern philosophy that fundamentally drives the Neo-Marxist component of most current leftist groups that are attempting to impose their will on the foundational components of what we refer to as Western Civilization--the foundation that spurred the American Revolution.

Western Civilization promotes universal truths that apply to every individual. Unfortunately, "white" people supposedly were who nurtured and crafted this civilization. So, therefore, it is a creation in the interests of white people. Ergo, it oppresses the wills and desires of non-"whites."

Specifically, the American foundation, is accused of being a house of white cards. Non-whites are not allowed to join the game. Unless, of course, they show abaisance, bow and scrape, and do the white man's will, act white, do what is required by whites to succeed in a white world.

So, therefore within the "white" created structure which assures supreme "white" racial power, all whites are inherently "racist." And, of course, such a thing is fundamentally wrong and contemptible. Not sure why if there are no universal truths and the end game is power.

As I’ve said many times

Poor victim
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You can also teach white supremacy without calling it that.

Overt, ugly acts of bigotry attract the most attention, the most potent component of racism is "positioning the bigot as the actual victim."

"So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin," he wrote. "The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead 'to' change the subject and strawman."

The recent debate over CRT is the latest variation of frame-flipping. But conservatives have used similar tactics to thwart the feminist movement and to notch victories in the culture wars on American campuses.
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yes pete, the public schools are really infested with maga right wingers.
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As I’ve said many times

Poor victim
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Yes, you've said or repeated many ambiguous, misleading, inconsistent, contradictory, unclear, and incoherent or even lying things many times. It may be that you lack a consistent core belief or vision. Perhaps you have fallen victim to the Post-Modern abyss void of any consistent, foundational meaning other than gaining and holding power. Which may lead you into seeing human society as a conflict between oppressors and oppressed--the rich fat cats and the poor victims. The current iteration being between the notion of a predatory "white supremacist" against everyone else.

yes pete, the public schools are really infested with maga right wingers.
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Not right now they aren’t that’s the plan just ask the Moms of Liberty

The right has been waging war against intellectuals or in the MAGA world that’s anyone with a Brain .

Even in the red of red states they think their own teachers and school boards .. who were born and raised in their communities are the enemy .. that’s some serious brainwashing but then again these same people think Trump won the deep state is real .
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Yes, you've said or repeated many ambiguous, misleading, inconsistent, contradictory, unclear, and incoherent or even lying things many times. It may be that you lack a consistent core belief or vision. Perhaps you have fallen victim to the Post-Modern abyss void of any consistent, foundational meaning other than gaining and holding power. Which may lead you into seeing human society as a conflict between oppressors and oppressed--the rich fat cats and the poor victims. The current iteration being between the notion of a predatory "white supremacist" against everyone else.

Perhaps you should consider that “maybe” you are wrong.

That may be why your views are held by a small minority of Americans.

Just remember which side thinks the other has the Jewish Space Laser, that Trump won and if it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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Not right now they aren’t that’s the plan just ask the Moms of Liberty

The right has been waging war against intellectuals or in the MAGA world that’s anyone with a Brain .

Even in the red of red states they think their own teachers and school boards .. who were born and raised in their communities are the enemy .. that’s some serious brainwashing but then again these same people think Trump won the deep state is real .
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I’ve been wondering about this Tin Hat fascination among some posters, has it actually kept you out of the rubber room?
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I’ve been wondering about this Tin Hat fascination among some posters, has it actually kept you out of the rubber room?
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Do you wonder about the Tim Foil fascination when you use the phrase yourself, as you have 🤔

Do you wonder about the Tim Foil fascination when you use the phrase yourself, as you have 🤔

Who is Tim Foil?
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Let me guess You have never heard of mom’s of liberty.or their mission

Informed as ever Lol
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Who is Tim Foil?
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Tin Foil
You want me to pull up quotes from your past post ???
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Let me guess You have never heard of mom’s of liberty


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they sound terrifying.....

Not right now they aren’t that’s the plan just ask the Moms of Liberty

The right has been waging war against intellectuals or in the MAGA world that’s anyone with a Brain .

Even in the red of red states they think their own teachers and school boards .. who were born and raised in their communities are the enemy .. that’s some serious brainwashing but then again these same people think Trump won the deep state is real .
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you’re not cuckoo.

do you see a difference between not wanting radical liberalism taught, and wanting radical conservatism taught?
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Let me guess You have never heard of mom’s of liberty.or their mission

Informed as ever Lol
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how much influence do they have, if no one has heard of them.

do you understand that there are radical liberal groups too? who cares what they want?


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you’re not cuckoo.

do you see a difference between not wanting radical liberalism taught, and wanting radical conservatism taught?
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Neither is being taught Iam just sane enough to understand that.

And clearly see what Moms of liberty agenda is

Moms for Liberty is dedicated to fighting for the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.


Fighting for the survival of America
Sounds radical to me
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how much influence do they have, if no one has heard of them.

do you understand that there are radical liberal groups too? who cares what they want?


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Seems theses people of influence know of them

Moms for Liberty members have also been pictured with DeSantis, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), his wife Kelley Paul, Trump's son Eric Trump, and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY). Michigan Republican gubernatorial candidate Ralph Rebandt participated in a discussion in a closed Moms for Liberty chapter Facebook group in which he called the COVID-19 vaccine a “genetic altering shot.”
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Moms for Liberty is dedicated to fighting for the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.


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this sounds terrifying...how dare they?

Perhaps you should consider that “maybe” you are wrong.

That may be why your views are held by a small minority of Americans.

Just remember which side thinks the other has the Jewish Space Laser, that Trump won and if it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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I do consider that I might be wrong. I consider that every time I post something. I actually would appreciate you showing me why I am wrong. That would be actual, constructive, dialog. That would be the best purpose of a forum.

How and why am I wrong?

Seems theses people of influence know of them

Moms for Liberty members have also been pictured with DeSantis, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), his wife Kelley Paul, Trump's son Eric Trump, and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY). Michigan Republican gubernatorial candidate Ralph Rebandt participated in a discussion in a closed Moms for Liberty chapter Facebook group in which he called the COVID-19 vaccine a “genetic altering shot.”
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oh they had their picture taken with Desantis! that changes everything.

i’ve seen pictures of Jeffrey Epstein with the Clintons. What does that tell you?

you crack me
up.
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oh they had their picture taken with Desantis! that changes everything.

i’ve seen pictures of Jeffrey Epstein with the Clintons. What does that tell you?

you crack me
up.
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Still not doing your own research?
Classic
PS Trump-also hung out with Jeffery
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Still not doing your own research?
Classic
PS Trump-also hung out with Jeffery
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PPS I said ten times i hope they throw the book at trump
if he did anything inappropriate. i’m not unable to criticize my own side.

Yup, the mothers of liberty are a major force in the GOP. I heard they’re almost as influential as the Whigs and the Tories.

you have Ihan Omar saying in every form of communication she can, that Joe Manchin is “bullsh*t.”.

If trump says that, you all start menstruating.
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I do consider that I might be wrong. I consider that every time I post something. I actually would appreciate you showing me why I am wrong. That would be actual, constructive, dialog. That would be the best purpose of a forum.

How and why am I wrong?

Because you fall for the claim that the existence of structural racism means that you are a racist if you are white.

Democracy is not in danger because we're polarized. We're polarized because it's a strategy to make it more difficult to see where the real danger to democracy comes from.

From the Kochs to the Heritage Foundation to the GOP, the "true aim" has been to kneecap liberal democracy in order to unshackle concentrated wealth. The strategy is to sow racial and social strife. The goal, though, is rule by the rich.
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I’ve been wondering about this Tin Hat fascination among some posters, has it actually kept you out of the rubber room?
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Don't know, looks like they still let you on the Internet unsupervised, so it must not work very well. Unless they keep tabs on you when you're out on the ward.
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Let me guess You have never heard of mom’s of liberty.or their mission
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No, I haven't, maybe they should light some dumpsters on fire and smash some store front windows so people pay more attention to them



Moms for Liberty is dedicated to fighting for the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.
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THOSE BITCHES!!!! :rolleyes:
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No, I haven't, maybe they should light some dumpsters on fire and smash some store front windows so people pay more attention to them



THOSE BITCHES!!!! :rolleyes:
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imagine the nerve of parents, who pay taxes to fund schools
and who have kids in schools…they want to hold onto their rights?! Who the heck do they think they are?
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Because you fall for the claim that the existence of structural racism means that you are a racist if you are white.

Claiming that we are under a system of white privilege is claiming that whites are racist unless they renounce their privilege. Which would require that whites abandon those things that actuate their privilege. Which would amount to abandoning notions such as the so-called work ethic, the nuclear family, and rigorous, meaningful education. Whites who practice the things that actuate their privilege, are far more likely to "succeed" in our current "system." Blacks who practice those things are also far more likely to succeed than Blacks or whites who don't.

But, it is claimed by many, if not most, CRTers, blacks who engage in "whiteness," who act white, are not authentic and are in bondage to the white privilege system--they participate in a soft slavery that supports that system.

Democracy is not in danger because we're polarized. We're polarized because it's a strategy to make it more difficult to see where the real danger to democracy comes from.

From the Kochs to the Heritage Foundation to the GOP, the "true aim" has been to kneecap liberal democracy in order to unshackle concentrated wealth. The strategy is to sow racial and social strife. The goal, though, is rule by the rich.
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The Democrats are also in on this strategy of concentrated wealth and sowing racial strife--in my estimation, even more so. Which is why I have been saying that political Progressivism is actually a regression to the ancient rule by some elite, whether it be monarchy, oligarchy, dictatorship . . . or any form of unchecked central authority. And why I have said that our Constitution is still a new form of "rule" that makes individual freedom more possible within a functioning organized society. Anarchism would be freer, but humanity doesn't yet seem suited to such ultimate freedom.

More critical race theory for you

One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern half part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union, even by war; while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war, the magnitude, or the duration, which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope -- fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said f[our] three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"
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More critical race theory for you

One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern half part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union, even by war; while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war, the magnitude, or the duration, which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope -- fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said f[our] three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"
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So now you're saying that Abraham Lincoln was an adherent of Critical Race Theory? And that CRT believes in the Judgment of God?

honey badger mom..."get a therapist, don't use my kids"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FocBBdwKh-0

honey badger mom..."get a therapist, don't use my kids"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FocBBdwKh-0

Cuz she’s blacked and thinks CRT it’s being taught ? It is? Or she’s against BLM is That’s why you posted it… funny You never heard of the moms of liberty but you found this clip, . odd

But not really Minnesota's Black Conservatives: The Exodus Movement. “I’m done with the Left. They’ve hurt black America. They’ve destroyed it.”

Conservatives and their One black friend …. Presented as see 99% of blacks are lying

^^^^I like her passion...you can imagine whatever you like....

discussing CRT with a disingenuous leftist....:hihi:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwgsbZ1MsAE

I got a laugh out of this:

A new bill in Oklahoma forbids teaching that “one race is the unique oppressor in the institution of slavery” and that “another race is the unique victim in the institution of slavery.”

I got a laugh out of this:

A new bill in Oklahoma forbids teaching that “one race is the unique oppressor in the institution of slavery” and that “another race is the unique victim in the institution of slavery.”

is slavery and oppression unique to any one race and is any race unique in being enslaved and oppressed?

is slavery and oppression unique to any one race and is any race unique in being enslaved and oppressed?

Or you could ask "how were the Americas unique in moralizing and legitimizing slavery?"

During the second half of the 17th century, a terrible transformation, the enslavement of people solely on the basis of race, occurred in the lives of African Americans living in North America. These newcomers still numbered only a few thousand, but the bitter reversals they experienced—first subtle, then drastic—would shape the lives of all those who followed them, generation after generation.

Like most huge changes, the imposition of hereditary race slavery was gradual, taking hold by degrees over many decades. It proceeded slowly, in much the same way that winter follows fall. On any given day, in any given place, people can argue about local weather conditions. “Is it getting colder?” “Will it warm up again this week?” The shift may come early in some places, later in others. But eventually, it occurs all across the land. By January, people shiver and think back to September, agreeing that “it is definitely colder now.” In 1700, a 70-year-old African American could look back half a century to 1650 and shiver, knowing that conditions had definitely changed for the worse.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/05/peter-h-wood-strange-new-land-excerpt.html

Remember kids, stay in school and “Just Say No” to white guilt, or this could be you someday. :rolleyes:
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Don’t worry the white wing is on top of it.
Today they announced:
We currently have a record number of Black Republicans running for office and winning at all levels.

Over 40 Black Republicans are running in GOP primaries for both local and federal office.

So, out of 535 elected federal positions, and all 50 states, over 3,000 counties, and over 19,000 cities and towns, you’re bragging about having 40 black candidates out of the tens of thousands of federal and local elections?

40, out of tens of thousands. Less than 1%.

The Democrats have more than that in the House
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Don’t worry the white wing is on top of it.
Today they announced:
We currently have a record number of Black Republicans running for office and winning at all levels.

Over 40 Black Republicans are running in GOP primaries for both local and federal office.

So, out of 535 elected federal positions, and all 50 states, over 3,000 counties, and over 19,000 cities and towns, you’re bragging about having 40 black candidates out of the tens of thousands of federal and local elections?

40, out of tens of thousands. Less than 1%.

The Democrats have more than that in the House
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It's that thing that Progressives likes to say--going in the right direction.

An in-depth analysis of CRT--its roots and philosophical basis and its goals according to and citing its founders and theorists. An excellent deconstruction of what it is rather than a general opinion of what it purports to be. The first 15 minutes is chatty introduction. The final hour and 15 minutes is the meat. Really, really worth watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMfeoloo3A

Ante up YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQKRYJnqIdM

Ante up YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQKRYJnqIdM

Trevor Noah seems to be inherently racist. As is CRT.

how about those trumplican/domestic terrorists/soccer moms and dads in San Francisco giving crt obsessed school board members the boot....FBI should be investigating that ....:bl:

how about those trumplican/domestic terrorists/soccer moms and dads in San Francisco giving crt obsessed school board members the boot....FBI should be investigating that ....:bl:

American citizens exercising their rights at the poll is not the Trumplican/domestic terrorist way, physically threatening and attacking board members is the Trumplican way
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American citizens exercising their rights at the poll is not the Trumplican/domestic terrorist way, physically threatening and attacking board members is the Trumplican way
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disagreeing with a leftist is an "attack"....574 riots are "mostly peaceful"....we get it

disagreeing with a leftist is an "attack"....574 riots are "mostly peaceful"....we get it

every single time a democrat doesn’t get their desired outcome, it’s the end of the world, the end of our democracy. They can never just lose anything fair and square. They can never accept that’s how life works, you win some, you lose some. They’re actually a lot more like Trump than they’d care to admit.
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every single time a democrat doesn’t get their desired outcome, it’s the end of the world, the end of our democracy. They can never just lose anything fair and square. They can never accept that’s how life works, you win some, you lose some. They’re actually a lot more like Trump than they’d care to admit.
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pretty sure they voted in a new governor in VA...which was clearly an act of terrorism:rotf3:

pretty sure they voted in a new governor in VA...which was clearly an act of terrorism:rotf3:

and it’s a violation of “small government” to
end mask mandates, somehow.

he’s saying it’s authoritarian to end mask mandates.
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he’s saying it’s authoritarian to end mask mandates.

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well, "freedom" is a dirty word now used by violent extremists...soooooo

well, "freedom" is a dirty word now used by violent extremists...soooooo

It seems "choice" is a word that's lost popularity among liberals.

he’s saying it’s authoritarian to end mask mandates.
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Nothing says "Authoritarian" quite like passing a law that says the Gubment can't make you do something.
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Nothing says "Authoritarian" quite like passing a law that says the Gubment can't make you do something.
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Right? It's authoritarian when the state removes mandates and lets the citizenry choose for themselves. That's authoritarian...

Just what a ruthless dictator would do.

Nothing says you don’t believe in small government and local control more than prohibiting school boards from exercising local control because the state knows better
Next up State curriculum
It’s increasingly obvious that the right-wing assault on public schools is intended to redirect public money to private schools that indoctrinate students in Christian nationalism.
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Keyword there is "Control"
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The party screaming freedom wants to put government installed cameras in classrooms to surveil teachers.
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Nothing says you don’t believe in small government and local control more than prohibiting school boards from exercising local control because the state knows better
Next up State curriculum
It’s increasingly obvious that the right-wing assault on public schools is intended to redirect public money to private schools that indoctrinate students in Christian nationalism.
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when the government removes government mandates, and allows its citizens to choose whether or not to wear masks, that is less government. Not more government.

See if you can follow…if the citizens of one community all want to wear masks, they can all wear masks!!!

it’s less government, not more. you’re denying reality again.
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