I wonder if this dude is still wearing the horns and make up?....Pete might find this troubling as he was hoping for the electric chair or perhaps public hanging for this "domestic terrorist"

Jacob Chansley pleaded guilty to a single count of obstructing a proceeding of Congress

"Sept, 5 2021 Jacob Chansley, arguably the most iconic figure of the January 6 protest at the U.S. Capitol, today pleaded guilty to one count of obstruction of an official proceeding.

Chansley, 33, turned himself in to law enforcement and was arrested on January 9. A grand jury indicted Chansley two days later on six nonviolent counts including obstruction, civil disorder, and “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building.” The remaining counts will be dropped."

if he's smart, as soon as he's released from prison he will change his voter affiliation to DEMOCRAT.....

obstruction, civil disorder, parading and picketing are skills that are in high demand among the democrat rent-a-mob crowd...

he'll be able to pursue his new hobby dressed in funny outfits having hero status in the media and among democrat politicians particularly if obstructs future congressional proceedings or maybe supreme court nominee hearings....

if he's arrested again, it will be an outrage and he'll likely get bailed out by hollywood....

Sept. 5 2018 Nathan Bomey
USA TODAY

Protesters urged to disrupt Brett Kavanaugh hearings: 'These are not normal times'


A coalition of groups opposing Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination urged protesters to travel from throughout the U.S. to disrupt his Senate confirmation hearings this week.

NPR The Resistance At The Kavanaugh Hearings: More Than 200 Arrests
September 8, 2018

It took less than two minutes for the first protester to be ejected from Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh's opening day of testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Seconds later, a second demonstrator was thrown out of the hearing room, followed by another, followed by another.


At least 227 demonstrators were arrested between the start of the nomination hearings on Tuesday and the end of testimony on Friday, according to the U.S. Capitol Police. Most of those charged this week with disorderly conduct, crowding or obstructing paid fines of $35 or $50.

Such shows of protest are nothing new on Capitol Hill. Televised hearings are open to the public, and as such, the outbursts that roiled much of the judge's testimony have become a regular feature of similar high-profile hearings. But the degree of opposition on display in the hearing room underscored the level of anger among progressive activists over a pick that would cement the Supreme Court's conservative majority for years, if not decades, to come.

"Disrupting the hearings was a way for us to go directly into the homes of the American people to say, 'We will not be silenced and you need to be as outraged as we are,' " said Linda Sarsour, a co-chair of the Women's March and one of the organizers of this week's protests.

I wonder if this dude is still wearing the horns and make up?....Pete might find this troubling as he was hoping for the electric chair or perhaps public hanging for this "domestic terrorist"

Jacob Chansley pleaded guilty to a single count of obstructing a proceeding of Congress


Insurrectionalist Lite
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Insurrectionalist Lite
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stop it...he was heavily armed but mostly peaceful

Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree
Family members of the so-called "QAnon Shaman," real name Jacob Chansley, were urging him not to plead guilty today because they believe Trump is going to be reinstated and then will grant him a pardon, Chansley's attorney said.
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After QAnon Shaman Jacob Chansley’s guilty plea, his lawyer Albert Watkins said today, “He had a fondness for Trump that was not unlike a first love a man may have for a girl. And through social media, he got exposed to all kinds of things.”
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Chansley was originally charged with six federal crimes. He pleaded guilty to one of the most serious charges and could face a maximum of 20 years in prison."

Good.
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Chansley was originally charged with six federal crimes. He pleaded guilty to one of the most serious charges and could face a maximum of 20 years in prison."

Good.
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I think the worst part of the Kavanaugh protests was the millions in damages and all the police that lost their lives :rollem:

I think the worst part of the Kavanaugh protests was the millions in damages and all the police that lost their lives :rollem:

how about the antifa and blm protests? any violence or property damage?
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if he becomes a democrat they will elect him to something and he will be very popular....especially if he keeps the costume

After QAnon Shaman Jacob Chansley’s guilty plea, his lawyer Albert Watkins said today, “He had a fondness for Trump that was not unlike a first love a man may have for a girl. And through social media, he got exposed to all kinds of things.”
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dear pete, nobody is denying that he's nut....

I think you are just jealous that he's more famous than you are...

how about the antifa and blm protests? any violence or property damage?
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only leftists may engage in whataboutisms...didn't you read the rules?

dear pete, nobody is denying that he's nut....

I think you are just jealous that he's more famous than you are...

Silly troll, the rest of the "liberalism is a mental disorder" folks are now busily deworming themselves.
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Silly troll, the rest of the "liberalism is a mental disorder" folks are now busily deworming themselves.
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here’s one for you.

why are so many people
and businesses moving from
blue states to red states?
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the "liberalism is a mental disorder" folks are now busily deworming themselves.

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why is this a problem?

do you want to mandate that they get an injection that they may not want but mock them for taking something that they want to take?

maybe we should offer them clean needles and an injection site for deworming so it's safer...or something?

here’s one for you.

why are so many people
and businesses moving from
blue states to red states?
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Simple. There’s an abundant ignorant uneducated working class who will be more easily exploited by the ruling class. :hihi:
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Simple. There’s an abundant ignorant uneducated working class who will be more easily exploited by the ruling class. :hihi:
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the people who own businesses who are relocating there, are ignorant and uneducated.
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Simple. There’s an abundant ignorant uneducated working class who will be more easily exploited by the ruling class. :hihi:
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my brother lived in CT his whole
life, started a business from scratch that was in CT ( franchise consulting). 10 years ago, i helped him do the math of how much he’d save by moving his family and his business to a beautiful suburb of nashville. his savings, in his pocket, was more than $3,000 every month. that was just taxes, that’s not counting groceries and utilities and gas and things like that. so he moved. He’d say his quality of life went up. I’ve been there, to Franklin TN, it’s beautiful.

i could move to NH and save $1,000 a month in state taxes, $1,000 a month for the rest of my career. it’s a fortune. there’s not one service i get in CT, that i couldn’t get in a nice suburb in NH. i get absolutely nothing for the premium i pay.

i can therefore make a case that the stupid people are the ones paying exorbitant, unnecessary taxes for 50 years, who have nothing to show for it except meaningfully lower net worth.
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Hmm, Your brother moved to one of the most democratic counties in the state of Tennessee

Hmm, Your brother moved to one of the most democratic counties in the state of Tennessee

what matters to him, is that (1) it’s far cheaper then CT, and that (2) he and his family didn’t lose a single service that they need.

The whole state is proof that you don’t get what you pay for.
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He wouldn't have his kids in one of the best rated districts if he moved to a solid R one.
But I'm sure he considered that

He wouldn't have his kids in one of the best rated districts if he moved to a solid R one.
But I'm sure he considered that

that’s not pure speculation.
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He wouldn't have his kids in one of the best rated districts if he moved to a solid R one.
But I'm sure he considered that

This link says that Williamson County TN ( where Franklin is), is historically pretty conservative, though it went for biden.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/election/2020/11/04/joe-biden-takes-majority-in-historically-republican-williamson-county/

you’re just making stuff up out of thin air now?
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There’s an abundant "ignorant" uneducated working class who will be more easily exploited by the ruling class. :hihi:


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what is?....democrat control over major American cities , Alex

not my words...yours....I try not to classify people as "ignorant uneducated"...it assumes a lot in both directions

Qanon Shanan from GOPQ front man praised by all...

Suddenly once convicted he is A paid Actor ....

Crisis actors, deep state, false flag: the rise of conspiracy theory code words

how about the antifa and blm protests? any violence or property damage?
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Again the attempt to suggest these incidents are the Same ... Ya ok

People are moving to red state from Blue states for many different reason..

Jim just thinks once they get their they suddenly vote Republican

American Migration Patterns Should Terrify the GOP
Millennial movers have hastened the growth of left-leaning metros in southern red states such as Texas, Arizona, and Georgia. It could be the biggest political story of the 2020s.

we say it in the 2020 election and the GOP response was change voting laws

People are moving to red state from Blue states for many different reason..

Jim just thinks once they get their they suddenly vote Republican

American Migration Patterns Should Terrify the GOP
Millennial movers have hastened the growth of left-leaning metros in southern red states such as Texas, Arizona, and Georgia. It could be the biggest political story of the 2020s.

we say it in the 2020 election and the GOP response was change voting laws

"People are moving to red state from Blue states for many different reason"

Duh. But many m ore people are moving from blue to red, than from red to blue.. Why is that? There are blue states that have warm weather all year, with lots of ocean and golf...

"Jim just thinks once they get their they suddenly vote Republican"

I never uttered a syllable about what they do when they get there. Please point to anything I posted here, which indicates my opinion on their voting practices after they move? All I said, is that there's an exodus from blue states to red states. Why do you have to make up gibberish which I never said?

"It could be the biggest political story of the 2020s"

I completely agree, and never, ever suggested otherwise. The exodus of liberals to red states could be a disaster for red states, IF those people are too stupid to realize that it's not really smart to flee a place, re-settle to a better place, then vote to make your new home look like the place you felt compelled to flee. But that could very well happen.

You guys just make stuff up out of thin air when it suits you...

"we say it in the 2020 election and the GOP response was change voting laws"

Not remotely true.

Can I ask you, do you think it's racist to require an id to go to the bank, to get medicine, to get on a plane, to go to the doctor?

Again the attempt to suggest these incidents are the Same ... Ya ok

Why can't you answer the question?

The antifa/blm riots, and the January 6th riot, were both cases where a group of babies couldn't handle that they didn't get their way, and they threw a temper tantrum. They have that in common.

Do you think it's justified to shoot trespassers on sight? When they are women who are an intimidating 5'2", unarmed, and you give them no warning? We KNOW that's what happened to the one rioter who was killed, and NO ONE in the mainstream media is asking why she had to die.

All your pals in the media who said the Duke lacrosse players were guilty, who said Michael Brown was innocent, who said Nick Sandman was a skinhead, NONE of them asked any questions about why that woman was killed.

But when a black person is killed by a white cop, now that's a story that liberals will care about. If she was black and the cop who killed her was white, and if she was protesting on behalf of a liberal cause, the reaction would have been a lot different.

Please make that wrong.

This link says that Williamson County TN ( where Franklin is), is historically pretty conservative, though it went for biden.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/election/2020/11/04/joe-biden-takes-majority-in-historically-republican-williamson-county/

you’re just making stuff up out of thin air now?
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And this link says its moving to the left
https://tennesseelookout.com/2020/12/24/analysis-the-polarization-express/

Why can't you answer the question?

The antifa/blm riots, and the January 6th riot, were both cases where a group of babies couldn't handle that they didn't get their way, and they threw a temper tantrum. They have that in common.

Do you think it's justified to shoot trespassers on sight? When they are women who are an intimidating 5'2", unarmed, and you give them no warning? We KNOW that's what happened to the one rioter who was killed, and NO ONE in the mainstream media is asking why she had to die.

All your pals in the media who said the Duke lacrosse players were guilty, who said Michael Brown was innocent, who said Nick Sandman was a skinhead, NONE of them asked any questions about why that woman was killed.

But when a black person is killed by a white cop, now that's a story that liberals will care about. If she was black and the cop who killed her was white, and if she was protesting on behalf of a liberal cause, the reaction would have been a lot different.

Please make that wrong.

Sure Jim, where is that thin blue line?

Ohh, they were tourists.....

The floor of the United States Capitol was stained with blood earlier this month when a violent mob forced its way inside while both chambers of Congress were in session to certify the results of the presidential election. In the ensuing clash between rioters and police, an officer shot and killed Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force veteran, as she and others tried to force their way through the smashed window of a barricaded hallway door.

The officer’s actions are now under investigation, which is standard protocol following any use of deadly force. Having reviewed the videos of the shooting, I believe the officer’s action were justified.

Nerves are frayed right now and emotions are raw. That is precisely why the analysis of Babbitt’s death needs to be fact-based, level-headed, and conducted under the same objective standards as any other police use of deadly force.

Unfortunately, this is not happening in some circles. Many people are reflexively deeming Ashli Babbitt’s death a “murder,” or claiming she was gunned down by an overzealous cop.

No doubt, the shooting of Babbitt is tragic. But we need to consider the reasonable legal standard for the justifiable use of force.

As I explained after the Jacob Blake shooting last year, and maintain now, the actions of civilians in these police-involved shootings play a significant role in how officers perceive threat levels. By all accounts, Babbitt—like Blake—took a series of regrettable actions that caused her to be reasonably perceived by the officer as an imminent violent threat.

There are two primary video recordings of Babbitt’s death, taken from different angles. Between the two videos and other eyewitness accounts, one can recreate a very coherent and clear timeline of the events leading to the shooting.

But first, it is important to understand the broader context of what was happening when this shooting occurred. These were some of the first chaotic minutes after a riotous mob of thousands of angry agitators forced its way into the Capitol with almost the entire continuity of the United States government inside – should something happen to the president, the order of succession would be the vice president, the House speaker, and the president pro tempore of the Senate, all three of whom were barricaded inside the Capitol. The Washington Post’s account of these first minutes give us a much-needed sense of the sheer scale of the threat this mob posed.

While some were simply walking in, others were violently attacking law enforcement officers with pipes, chemical irritants, fire extinguishers, and really anything they could find. About an hour earlier, police had discovered functional pipe bombs on Capitol grounds.

The Capitol was placed in lockdown and emergency text alerts warned everyone inside to seek shelter in barricaded offices if possible. Just minutes before, the vice president had been evacuated, even as some rioters began chants of “Hang Mike Pence, Hang Mike Pence.” Others in the mob shouted, “Where’s Nancy? Where’s Nancy?” menacingly referring to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Many lawmakers and their staff members were forced to shelter in place, barricading themselves behind locked office doors.

Babbitt was among the first rioters to enter the Capitol. She and others with her made their way down to just outside the Speaker’s Lobby on the House side of the building. The doorway to the Speaker’s Lobby—a long hallway directly outside of the House chamber—had been locked and barricaded with furniture to prevent the mob’s entrance. Behind that door were members of Congress and their staff, with nowhere to run, waiting to be evacuated out another side of the House chamber.

This is where the videos pick up. (Warning: These videos show a violent act and may be disturbing to some people).

The videos show that a group of roughly two dozen people were attempting to breach the barricaded door. They had already smashed out several of the windows. People in the crowd shout at Babbitt and others to “bust down” the door. The man taking the video warned officers behind the door that “They’re going to push their way up here. Bro, I’ve seen people out there get hurt. I don’t want to see you get hurt.”

A plainclothes officer takes a tactical position just inside the barricade, half-concealed behind a door frame but with his gun clearly drawn on the rioters.Various eyewitnesses have said that the officers repeatedly warned the mob to “get back” and “get down.”

Babbitt nevertheless tried to pull herself through the busted out window. As she was in the process of doing so, the officer inside the barricade fired a single shot that appeared to strike her in the neck.

Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., who was behind the barricade and witnessed the shooting, has since come forward publicly to say that he believes the officer’s action saved lives.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/01/25/based-on-videos-officers-use-of-force-against-babbitt-justified/

why is this a problem?

do you want to mandate that they get an injection that they may not want but mock them for taking something that they want to take?

maybe we should offer them clean needles and an injection site for deworming so it's safer...or something?

Majorities of Americans now favor businesses mandating proof of vaccination to travel by plane, stay in a hotel, attended crowded events, eat at restaurants and go to the office.

Why can't you answer the question?

The antifa/blm riots, and the January 6th riot, were both cases where a group of babies couldn't handle that they didn't get their way, and they threw a temper tantrum. They have that in common.

Do you think it's justified to shoot trespassers on sight? When they are women who are an intimidating 5'2", unarmed, and you give them no warning? We KNOW that's what happened to the one rioter who was killed, and NO ONE in the mainstream media is asking why she had to die.

All your pals in the media who said the Duke lacrosse players were guilty, who said Michael Brown was innocent, who said Nick Sandman was a skinhead, NONE of them asked any questions about why that woman was killed.

But when a black person is killed by a white cop, now that's a story that liberals will care about. If she was black and the cop who killed her was white, and if she was protesting on behalf of a liberal cause, the reaction would have been a lot different.

Please make that wrong.

She was former USAF security forces. There are LITERAL RED LINES around aircraft & base gates, weapons bunkers where she was authorized to shoot to kill if necessary. She decided to cross a Red Line to overthrow Democracy ... this was the result.
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Why can't you answer the question?

The antifa/blm riots, and the January 6th riot, were both cases where a group of babies couldn't handle that they didn't get their way, and they threw a temper tantrum. They have that in common.

Do you think it's justified to shoot trespassers on sight? When they are women who are an intimidating 5'2", unarmed, and you give them no warning? We KNOW that's what happened to the one rioter who was killed, and NO ONE in the mainstream media is asking why she had to die.

All your pals in the media who said the Duke lacrosse players were guilty, who said Michael Brown was innocent, who said Nick Sandman was a skinhead, NONE of them asked any questions about why that woman was killed.

But when a black person is killed by a white cop, now that's a story that liberals will care about. If she was black and the cop who killed her was white, and if she was protesting on behalf of a liberal cause, the reaction would have been a lot different.

Please make that wrong.


Jim I get it you think Jan 6th was no big deal just cry babies .. And babbitt was a hero . and it's all the media's fault ...

Classic

And this link says its moving to the left
https://tennesseelookout.com/2020/12/24/analysis-the-polarization-express/

This supports Jim's point. "moving to the left" means it's not there yet. And the tax policies and cost of living are still a result of "conservative" policies, not Democrat policies. And, yes, if enough Dems move there, and they continue to vote Democrat with the typical Democrat tax polices, and the state flips to Democrat, then it will "move to the left" and become like that from which they fled. Which is pretty stupid.

But maybe the transplanted Dems will wise up and force their party to copy some "conservative" tax and other policies and become more like JFK Democrats. Probably not.

She was former USAF security forces. There are LITERAL RED LINES around aircraft & base gates, weapons bunkers where she was authorized to shoot to kill if necessary. She decided to cross a Red Line to overthrow Democracy ... this was the result.
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You incorrigibly maintain your style of stretching, twisting, to the point of lying. A "Red Line"? And she decided to "overthrow Democracy"? You really believe that she wanted to "overthrow Democracy"? You don't think she believed that she wanted to save or restore Democracy?

Ahh . . . that's right . . . I forget . . . you read minds from afar . . . even after death.

You incorrigibly maintain your style of stretching, twisting, to the point of lying. A "Red Line"? And she decided to "overthrow Democracy"? You really believe that she wanted to "overthrow Democracy"? You don't think she believed that she wanted to save or restore Democracy?

Ahh . . . that's right . . . I forget . . . you read minds from afar . . . even after death.

Perhaps you can explain what the goal of smashing her way in and crawling through a broken window was?

Every one of the protesters would shoot me if I broke their door or window and was climbing through. Find me one who would not have stood their ground. I’ll wait.
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So a violent mob is within seconds of breeching the last doors and having full access to the House Chamber. Two armed police officers have their weapons drawn, then lower them and is over run. The insurrectionists capture and injure many House members, some with life threatening injuries or even beaten to death.

Imagine how that would go on your yearly performance review.

So a violent mob is within seconds of breeching the last doors and having full access to the House Chamber. Two armed police officers have their weapons drawn, then lower them and is over run. The insurrectionists capture and injure many House members, some with life threatening injuries or even beaten to death.

Imagine how that would go on your yearly performance review.

which house members were captured and beaten to death?
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which house members were captured and beaten to death?
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Luckily none, but listen to the tourists....ahh they were saying hang mike's pants....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fag0aC_M0_U

So a violent mob is within seconds of breeching the last doors and having full access to the House Chamber. Two armed police officers have their weapons drawn, then lower them and is over run. The insurrectionists capture and injure many House members, some with life threatening injuries or even beaten to death.

Imagine how that would go on your yearly performance review.

as for my poor performance review, Id justly get fired.

how come your side doesn’t hold
antifa or blm rioters to the same standard?

even just the appearance of consistent standards, would
go a long, long way towards healing the divide. because what i see, is a huge double standard. what i see, are elected democrats in dc encouraging the unrest when the rioters are fighting for a liberal cause. there aren’t many who do that, but there are some. and there are very few prominent democrats who go in tv and tell blm/antifa to knock it off. what i see, is people
saying the summer riots were mostly peaceful. any objective analysis would say they were a lot less peaceful, than the conservative thugs who rioted on january 6. in terms of deaths and property damage, there’s absolutely no comparison. none.
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Perhaps you can explain what the goal of smashing her way in and crawling through a broken window was?

I don't have the power you seem to think you have of reading minds. Where do you get the notion that she was trying to "overthrow Democracy"? That's a very tall order. She was going to get rid of Democracy . . . by breaking through a window . . . unarmed? I'm fairly confident that Democracy would still be solidly around had she not been shot. So, what her specific, personal, goal was, I don't really know. And she's not available to answer that. From what the rioters seem to claim, they were trying to "stop the steal." It seems that they believed that Democracy was "overthrown" by election fraud. So it seems that in their minds they were trying to restore Democracy.

And there were probably other types who just wanted to create chaos for other reasons, political or ideological, from the "left" and "right."

Every one of the protesters would shoot me if I broke their door or window and was climbing through. Find me one who would not have stood their ground. I’ll wait.
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Wait forever if that floats your boat. I haven't commented on whether she should have been, or deserved to be, shot. You, obviously, think she should have been shot and that she deserved it.

I don't have a strong opinion on that. It seemed to me to be a bit of an overreaction. But I don't have enough info to make any claims on whether she should or shouldn't have been shot. I kind of go along with Jim's supposition that if the officer were white and she were black, the left would probably have made a fuss about it. Maybe not. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213744]as for my poor performance review, Id justly get fired.

how come your side doesn’t hold
antifa or blm rioters to the same standard?


Jim because we are not delusional.. but please keep running in a circle yelling what about Antifa and BLM

Ps get back to me when they try to overthrow the government based on a seditious lying Donald Trump the election was stolen nonsense

Also it’s odd cops killing unarmed citizens suddenly bothers you? Why is that .. ?
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Wait forever if that floats your boat. I haven't commented on whether she should have been, or deserved to be, shot. You, obviously, think she should have been shot and that she deserved it.

I don't have a strong opinion on that. It seemed to me to be a bit of an overreaction. But I don't have enough info to make any claims on whether she should or shouldn't have been shot. I kind of go along with Jim's supposition that if the officer were white and she were black, the left would probably have made a fuss about it. Maybe not. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Of course because being the victim fits your narrative
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Of course because being the victim fits your narrative
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There you go with your phony labels. I never mentioned a "victim" nor did I say she was a "victim." But it's what you do. Conjecture, insinuate, label, lie.

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213744]as for my poor performance review, Id justly get fired.

how come your side doesn’t hold
antifa or blm rioters to the same standard?


Jim because we are not delusional.. but please keep running in a circle yelling what about Antifa and BLM

Ps get back to me when they try to overthrow the government based on a seditious lying Donald Trump the election was stolen nonsense

Also it’s odd cops killing unarmed citizens suddenly bothers you? Why is that .. ?
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cops unjustly using force always bothers me. we agree on that. blacks murdered by other blacks in gang violence also bothers me, but not you. That’s the difference. show me a post where you decry urban violence in america, which literally takes thousands of times as many lives as white cops. but the left spends all their time talking about cops.

i addressed your question head in. can you show me the same courtesy?

what was their plan, exactly, to overthrow the government? it makes zero sense, there’s zero evidence that was their goal.
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There you go with your phony labels. I never mentioned a "victim" nor did I say she was a "victim." But it's what you do. Conjecture, insinuate, label, lie.
Then what was she, what was her objective and how did she hope to accomplish it by crawling through a broken window?
Just a tourist?
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Then what was she, what was her objective and how did she hope to accomplish it by crawling through a broken window?
Just a tourist?
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she was a crybaby rioter. please provide ANY facts to show that this group had any kind of collective plan?

do you ever stop making gibberish up?
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[QUOTE=wdmso;1213751]

cops unjustly using force always bothers me. we agree on that. blacks murdered by other blacks in gang violence also bothers me, but not you. That’s the difference. show me a post where you decry urban violence in america, which literally takes thousands of times as many lives as white cops. but the left spends all their time talking about cops.

i addressed your question head in. can you show me the same courtesy?

what was their plan, exactly, to overthrow the government? it makes zero sense, there’s zero evidence that was their goal.
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If that was not their goal, even though they chanted hang Mike Pence (odd, how a mob decided that) then perhaps you could explain the objective of the “tourists”?
Just a bunch of sightseers, wanting to assist the elected officials?
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213756]

If that was not their goal, even though they chanted hang Mike Pence (odd, how a mob decided that) then perhaps you could explain the objective of the “tourists”?
Just a bunch of sightseers, wanting to assist the elected officials?
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easy. their objective was too blow off steam and do some vandalism. i conclude that was their objective, based in the fact that this is what they did. there’s no evidence there was any kind of plan.

take off the tin foil hat
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she was a crybaby rioter. please provide ANY facts to show that this group had any kind of collective plan?

do you ever stop making gibberish up?
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There are more than 600 people currently being prosecuted for breaking the law on January 6th, there’s a congressional committee investigating it and numerous investigations across the country into that day and the events preceding it.
The truth will come out, what are you and the rest of the Trumplicans so worried about?
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1213756]

If that was not their goal, even though they chanted hang Mike Pence (odd, how a mob decided that) then perhaps you could explain the objective of the “tourists”?
Just a bunch of sightseers, wanting to assist the elected officials?
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how come you’ve never called out liberal rioters who cha t for dead cops? how come you give liberal
rioters a pass, but hold
the capital rioters to a completely different standard?

which mob killed more people, destroyed more property? antifa/blm, or the capital
rioters?

in one of the liberal riots, they doused a police station with gas and tried to set it on fire, after barricading cops inside. you never, ever called them out.
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[QUOTE=Pete F.;1213760]

how come you’ve never called out liberal rioters who cha t for dead cops? how come you give liberal
rioters a pass, but hold
the capital rioters to a completely different standard?

which mob killed more people, destroyed more property? antifa/blm, or the capital
rioters?

in one of the liberal riots, they doused a police station with gas and tried to set it on fire, after barricading cops inside. you never, ever called them out.
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Let’s see, one wants police prosecuted for what they see as illegal executions and the others want to stop the legitimate functions of our elected officials
But what about…….
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Let’s see, one wants police prosecuted for what they see as illegal executions and the others want to stop the legitimate functions of our elected officials
But what about…….
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they chanted dead cops. not “prosecute the bad apples to the fullest extent of the law.”

i forgot what a shameless
liar you are. back to blocked.
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Weak man, runs when his false equivalents are exposed
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they chanted dead cops. not “prosecute the bad apples to the fullest extent of the law.”

i forgot what a shameless
liar you are. back to blocked.
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As usual you twist words to fit your narrative and put it in quotes, then call me a liar
SAD
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Then what was she, what was her objective and how did she hope to accomplish it by crawling through a broken window?
Just a tourist?
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I can't claim to know for sure what her objective was. She was probably misled into thinking that the rioters were going to somehow convince everybody that the election was stolen. Probably caught up in the enthusiasm for such an outcome, actually thinking that would happen. If so, she was obviously naive. But to claim that her goal was to "overthrow Democracy" is hyperbolic characterization most likely meant to paint her as an "insurrectionist" who was a hair's breath of overthrowing the government rather than a foolish rioter. Even your implication that she broke the window and smashed her way in is not correct. The window had already been removed and she didn't smash anything--other than her hope of seeing any kind of new victorious day, or any day at all.

I can't claim to know for sure what her objective was. She was probably misled into thinking that the rioters were going to somehow convince everybody that the election was stolen. Probably caught up in the enthusiasm for such an outcome, actually thinking that would happen. If so, she was obviously naive. But to claim that her goal was to "overthrow Democracy" is hyperbolic characterization most likely meant to paint her as an "insurrectionist" who was a hair's breath of overthrowing the government rather than a foolish rioter. Even your implication that she broke the window and smashed her way in is not correct. The window had already been removed and she didn't smash anything--other than her hope of seeing any kind of new victorious day, or any day at all.

and it’s ok when conservative rioters get shot to death by police without warning. it’s only a big deal when same happens to liberal rioters. if she was protesting for a liberal cause, we’d all know every detail
of what happened. as it is, no one in the media bothered to ask any questions, simply reporting she was an insurrectionist who got exactly what was coming to her.
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If a group of drunk thieves are breaking into your home in spite of your warning your armed, you can protect yourself and your home by firing your weapon. This was a mob of angry rioters who refused warnings to stand down and were threatening to kill people, I think it is ridiculous the right is making her our to be an innocent victim. I also think it’s ridiculous for Jim or anyone else on this thread to ask anyone here to show them proof of any organized attempt to overthrow the government, what are we the FBI, the CIA, or inside the investigation ongoing? I think the jury is out, but Kevin Macarthy and others are fighting hard to avoid giving up their phone records, they probably have much to do with inciting the effort to support the big lie and push the weak minded sheep to the 6th effort to stop the steel.

I am looking forward to the "Jan 6th was a completely spontaneous demonstration of patriotism, not an attempt to overthrow the government, completely unrelated to today's identical demonstrations in Brazil attempting to overthrow the government, organized by the same people."
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"The president bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding...And a fact-finding commission would be prudent."
-- Kevin McCarthy, January 13, 2021
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cops unjustly using force always bothers me. we agree on that. blacks murdered by other blacks in gang violence also bothers me, but not you. That’s the difference. show me a post where you decry urban violence in america, which literally takes thousands of times as many lives as white cops. but the left spends all their time talking about cops.

i addressed your question head in. can you show me the same courtesy?

what was their plan, exactly, to overthrow the government? it makes zero sense, there’s zero evidence that was their goal.
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Here we go with black on black-violence nonsense . it is a problem
But in an entirely different category then Police shooting unarmed black and brown people ..

When that happens all we ever hear is if they just complied they would be alive or do stupid things win stupid prizes…. But when Babbit got shot it was all outrage from the right none of the slogans used when police shoot unarmed blacks
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This was posted on Parler The @TeamTrumpNews account, posted on the Parler social network, is written as though coming from the president himself. It said: “I have invoked the Insurrection Act of 1807, to address the treasonous rebellion conducted by Democrat & Republican lawmakers, CCP agents, the FBI, DOJ, CIA & others to undermine, corrode and dismantle the United States of America and its constitution. These entities pose a direct threat to national security. I will remain president indefinitely until all domestic enemies are arrested.”

MAGA figures like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, two prominent pro-Trump attorneys leading efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and even one North Carolina state lawmaker. Others like Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser who was recently pardoned for lying to the FBI, have made adjacent calls for Trump to impose martial law. The ideas have circulated in pro-Trump outlets and were being discussed over the weekend among the thousands of MAGA protesters who descended on state capitols and the Supreme Court to falsely claim Trump had won the election.

Michael Flynn suggested at a QAnon-affiliated event that a coup should happen in the U.S.

so a crowd gathered at the request of the POTUS a who refused to admit he lost the election lied about the reasons he lost , with bear gas poles rods stun guns zip ties pipes but the right suggest they we’re unarmed and had no plan ?

But Antifa shows up with Trash can lids umbrellas and fireworks dressed in black and BLM protest have missed spelled signs but are black and the Right call them armed and dangerous ? Ron Johnson says he might have been concerned for safety had Capitol rioters been BLM and Antifa

You can’t make this stuff up.
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This was posted on Parler The @TeamTrumpNews account, posted on the Parler social network, is written as though coming from the president himself. It said: “I have invoked the Insurrection Act of 1807, to address the treasonous rebellion conducted by Democrat & Republican lawmakers, CCP agents, the FBI, DOJ, CIA & others to undermine, corrode and dismantle the United States of America and its constitution. These entities pose a direct threat to national security. I will remain president indefinitely until all domestic enemies are arrested.”

MAGA figures like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, two prominent pro-Trump attorneys leading efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and even one North Carolina state lawmaker. Others like Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser who was recently pardoned for lying to the FBI, have made adjacent calls for Trump to impose martial law. The ideas have circulated in pro-Trump outlets and were being discussed over the weekend among the thousands of MAGA protesters who descended on state capitols and the Supreme Court to falsely claim Trump had won the election.

Michael Flynn suggested at a QAnon-affiliated event that a coup should happen in the U.S.

so a crowd gathered at the request of the POTUS a who refused to admit he lost the election lied about the reasons he lost , with bear gas poles rods stun guns zip ties pipes but the right suggest they we’re unarmed and had no plan ?

But Antifa shows up with Trash can lids umbrellas and fireworks dressed in black and BLM protest have missed spelled signs but are black and the Right call them armed and dangerous ? Ron Johnson says he might have been concerned for safety had Capitol rioters been BLM and Antifa

You can’t make this stuff up.
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You guys go on, and on, and on...about how crazy it is that people deny they had a plan...but you never utter a syllable about what the plan was. Never one syllable.

"BLM protest have missed spelled signs"

That's it? Just mis-spelled signs? BLM protests never involved violence, looting, murder, arson, property damage...just mis-spelled signs.

If you want to be taken just a little seriously, you have to be a little more honest than that.

David Dorn was a 77 year-old, black, retired police captain who was murdered during BLM protests in ST Louis.

Here's an article from those right-wing nuts at CNN. In this one night of one protest, the Trumplicans at CNN say that 55 businesses were robbed and had property damage. They did all that, just by waving mis-spelled signs?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/st-louis-man-arrested-shooting-retired-police-officer-david-dorn/index.html

Then there's the famous CNN report of "mostly peaceful" protests while fires raged in the video...did they start those fires just by gently waving their signs?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-caption-with-video-of-burning.

Heres the BLM protesters who burned a Wendys to the ground (not that Wendys did anything to them, of course...) The article doesn't say how they did that with nothing but mis-spelled signs.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1081126/rayshard-brooks-wendys-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested/

It's just not possible to talk to you guys.

They were Assault signs on illegal Bump Sticks. I think they used High Capacity paint sprayers when they made them too.
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They were Assault signs on illegal Bump Sticks. I think they used High Capacity paint sprayers when they made them too.
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that’s funny right there!

all those riots this summer, the worst thing he says anyone did, was to be in possession of signs with words spelled incorrectly. that was the most serious offense committed by any BLM protester that summer.

This is why i took a sabbatical from this forum, i’ll get back to that sabbatical, there’s just no point unless it’s rock hound.

TDF, hope you are well. My middle guy started boy scouts this year, he did a weeklong summer camp at a scout camp in CT and he absolutely loved it, came back dirty, exhausted, and confident, made a a lot of progress on his merit badges, including fishing.
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First, the attack on the Capitol was unmistakably an act of political violence, not merely an exercise in vandalism or trespassing amid a disorderly protest that had spiraled out of control. The overwhelming reason for action, cited again and again in court documents, was that arrestees were following Trump’s orders to keep Congress from certifying Joe Biden as the presidential-election winner. Dozens of arrestees, court records indicate, made statements explaining their intentions in detail on social media or in interviews with the FBI. “I am incredibly proud to be a patriot today,” wrote a 37-year-old man from Beverly Hills, California, “to stand up tall in defense of liberty & the Constitution, to support Trump & #MAGAforever, & to send the message: WE ARE NEVER CONCEDING A STOLEN ELECTION.”

You guys go on, and on, and on...about how crazy it is that people deny they had a plan...but you never utter a syllable about what the plan was. Never one syllable.
The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

You guys go on, and on, and on...about how crazy it is that people deny they had a plan...but you never utter a syllable about what the plan was. Never one syllable.

"BLM protest have missed spelled signs"

That's it? Just mis-spelled signs? BLM protests never involved violence, looting, murder, arson, property damage...just mis-spelled signs.

If you want to be taken just a little seriously, you have to be a little more honest than that.

David Dorn was a 77 year-old, black, retired police captain who was murdered during BLM protests in ST Louis.

Here's an article from those right-wing nuts at CNN. In this one night of one protest, the Trumplicans at CNN say that 55 businesses were robbed and had property damage. They did all that, just by waving mis-spelled signs?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/st-louis-man-arrested-shooting-retired-police-officer-david-dorn/index.html

Then there's the famous CNN report of "mostly peaceful" protests while fires raged in the video...did they start those fires just by gently waving their signs?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-caption-with-video-of-burning.

Heres the BLM protesters who burned a Wendys to the ground (not that Wendys did anything to them, of course...) The article doesn't say how they did that with nothing but mis-spelled signs.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1081126/rayshard-brooks-wendys-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested/

It's just not possible to talk to you guys.

When the Department of Homeland Security released its Homeland Threat Assessment earlier this month, it emphasized that self-proclaimed white supremacist groups are the most dangerous threat to U.S. security. But the report misleadingly added that there had been “over 100 days of violence and destruction in our cities,” referring to the anti-racism uprisings of this past summer.

In fact, the Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.

Since 2017, we have been collecting data on political crowds in the United States, including the protests that surged during the summer. We have almost finished collecting data from May to June, having already documented 7,305 events in thousands of towns and cities in all 50 states and D.C., involving millions of attendees.

Because most of the missing data are from small towns and cities, we do not expect the overall proportions to change significantly once we complete the data collection.

We make two assumptions. First, when politicians and officials categorize the protests as violent, they are usually envisioning property destruction or interpersonal violence in which they infer that BLM protesters are attacking police, bystanders and property.

Second, using several measures to evaluate protest behavior offers a better assessment than the blanket term “violence.” For example, we disaggregate property destruction from interpersonal violence. We analyze separately the number of injuries or deaths among protesters and police. And we are thinking about how gathering even finer-grained data in the future could help further assign precise responsibility for violent acts.

Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters.

First, police made arrests in 5% of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5% of these events.

Protesters or bystanders were reported injured in 1.6 percent of the protests. In total, at least three Black Lives Matter protesters and one other person were killed while protesting in Omaha, Austin and Kenosha, Wis. One anti-fascist protester killed a far-right group member during a confrontation in Portland, Ore.; law enforcement killed the alleged assailant several days later.

Police were reported injured in 1% of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters.

The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.

Only 3.7% of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.

In short, our data suggest that 96.3% of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7% of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police.

These figures should correct the narrative that the protests were overtaken by rioting and vandalism or violence.

Such claims are false. Incidents in which there was protester violence or property destruction should be regarded as exceptional – and not representative of the uprising as a whole.

The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

and the evidence that this group of dummies had previously formulated that plan, is…???

Was the guy in the Chewbacca hat the leader?

Spence, remember a few years ago i. Wisconsin, Gov scott walker was about to sign union-busting legislation, and the lefties stormed the state capital? Were they insurrectionists? Or is there some logic by which it’s only a capital offense when conservatives do it?

Or The democrats in the TX state legislature who fled the state soecifically to hijack the democratic process that the voters freely chose, how do you describe them? you’d compliment them.

your aversion to those who interfere with the democratic process ( fair to say the Jan 6 rioters were attempting that) is quite selective. Which means it’s fake.
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We'll see

House Select Committee intends to subpoena records from social media companies, telecom companies (and possibly banks) under the The Patriot Act.

Jim you still can’t separate a BLM protest from a Riot you talk as if they are one in the same . And this country has see civil unrest long before BLM protest turned violent. but we never saw a storming of the capital at the direction of the POTUS a to stop the certification of the election . You have made your position clear BLM and Antifa are a bigger threat to American then those who supported and stormed the capital on Jan 6th


So we’re the capital riots armed and dangerous ? Or not Because that’s my point you and others claim they weren’t

But we have the Truth problem ?
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Some are comparing the U.S. Capitol riot to Wisconsin's Act 10 protests in 2011. Here are the key differences.

Wisconsin's Act 10 protests were overwhelmingly peaceful.

One top Republican official at the time noted there was no "malicious damage" to the statehouse and said most of the costs linked to the weeks-long protests were due to law enforcement overtime bills.

Thousands of people crowded inside the building every day, hanging posters on the walls and camping out in the rotunda and hallways.

Jan 6th A 70-year-old Alabama man had 11 Molotov cocktail devices "ready to go" in his truck when he was arrested during the breach and riot at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, the Montgomery Advertiser reported.


Jim your false equivalence just don’t stand up to a single google search but conservatives pushed that narrative from day one

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/08/wisconsin-act-10-protests-vs-capitol-riot-breach-4-key-differences-violence-arrests-deaths-damage/6584619002/
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and the evidence that this group of dummies had previously formulated that plan, is…???
It was the Trump cabal's plan obviously. The insurrectionists were just following Trump's lead.

Spence, remember a few years ago i. Wisconsin, Gov scott walker was about to sign union-busting legislation, and the lefties stormed the state capital? Were they insurrectionists? Or is there some logic by which it’s only a capital offense when conservatives do it?
I remember that being a huge protest event but I don't recall any violence.

Or The democrats in the TX state legislature who fled the state soecifically to hijack the democratic process that the voters freely chose, how do you describe them? you’d compliment them.
Political gamesmanship.

your aversion to those who interfere with the democratic process ( fair to say the Jan 6 rioters were attempting that) is quite selective. Which means it’s fake.
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But your addiction to false equivalences is very real.

It was the Trump cabal's plan obviously. The insurrectionists were just following Trump's lead.


I remember that being a huge protest event but I don't recall any violence.


Political gamesmanship.


But your addiction to false equivalences is very real.

so i guess that message was encoded in trump’s words, to be peaceful and patriotic.
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It was the Trump cabal's plan obviously. The insurrectionists were just following Trump's lead.


I remember that being a huge protest event but I don't recall any violence.


Political gamesmanship.


But your addiction to false equivalences is very real.

do you recall any violence last summer at BLM protests? trying to burn down a police station? is that an act of terrorism?
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Jim you still can’t separate a BLM protest from a Riot you talk as if they are one in the same . And this country has see civil unrest long before BLM protest turned violent. but we never saw a storming of the capital at the direction of the POTUS a to stop the certification of the election . You have made your position clear BLM and Antifa are a bigger threat to American then those who supported and stormed the capital on Jan 6th


So we’re the capital riots armed and dangerous ? Or not Because that’s my point you and others claim they weren’t

But we have the Truth problem ?
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you said the worst BLM did was have incorrect spelling on signs. I will never live long enough to say something that stupid or demonstrably false. your credibility is zilch.
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No plan
No radios
No coordination
No weapons
No bombs
No objective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0&t=307s

Tourists visiting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs

you said the worst BLM did was have incorrect spelling on signs. I will never live long enough to say something that stupid or demonstrably false. your credibility is zilch.
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You have no concept of sarcasm!!
Yet once again you conflate BLM protesters and Rioters as some how organized . To do both

You already said a stupid demonstrably false statement

The Jan6 rioters were just cry babies. Or something to that effect
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do you recall any violence last summer at BLM protests? trying to burn down a police station? is that an act of terrorism?
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I remember an incident where a few protesters lit some stuff in a barrel on fire in front of a police station. It's arson and illegal, no issue prosecuting them but it's not terrorism.

BLM violence came in many forms, overly aggressive police, white nationalists trying to clash, anarchists, some protesters certainly. I've been in two "riots" in my life and I can say when you have that many people milling about strange shyt happens. Was tear gassed both times :hihi:

Still, nothing like Jan 6.

I've been in two "riots" in my life and I can say when you have that many people milling about strange shyt happens. Was tear gassed both times :hihi:


I know Filene’s Basements annual bridal sale can get a bit ugly, Dem Bitches Be Crazy, but you’re really going to classify it as a riot.

The tear gas was probably just over spray from the lady at the perfume counter.
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I know Filene’s Basements annual bridal sale can get a bit ugly, Dem Bitches Be Crazy, but you’re really going to classify it as a riot.

The tear gas was probably just over spray from the lady at the perfume counter.
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A for effort.

The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

Captain obvious isn’t Jim, use bigger font and maybe pictures of pretty colors to get him focused.
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The plan was to interrupt the certification in congress and continue to push the state lawsuits to throw the election results into jeopardy. It never really had a chance of working but you can't say they didn't try like hell. The message to the insurrectionists was simple, stop the steal.

"Interrupting" the certification in Congress is not an insurrection. It is not a revolt against an established government. The established government at the time was the Trump administration. The Biden administration was not yet established. There was no attempt to overthrow the Trump administration. No attempt or plan to overthrow the constitutional system of government, but, instead, somehow to preserve it from being "stolen." Nor were the rioters a single organized group with a coherent unitary plan on how to revolt against the established government. Nor were the vast majority of disparate rioters armed.

From Merriam Webster:
Insurrection--an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government . . . When is uprising a more appropriate choice than insurrection? The meanings of uprising and insurrection largely overlap; however, uprising implies a brief, limited, and often immediately ineffective rebellion . . . REVOLT and INSURRECTION imply an armed uprising that quickly fails or succeeds.

From Dictionary.com (British): the act or an instance of rebelling against a government in power or the civil authorities.

"Interrupting" the certification in Congress is not an insurrection. It is not a revolt against an established government. The established government at the time was the Trump administration. The Biden administration was not yet established. There was no attempt to overthrow the Trump administration. No attempt or plan to overthrow the constitutional system of government, but, instead, somehow to preserve it from being "stolen." Nor were the rioters a single organized group with a coherent unitary plan on how to revolt against the established government. Nor were the vast majority of disparate rioters armed.

From Merriam Webster:
Insurrection--an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government . . . When is uprising a more appropriate choice than insurrection? The meanings of uprising and insurrection largely overlap; however, uprising implies a brief, limited, and often immediately ineffective rebellion . . . REVOLT and INSURRECTION imply an armed uprising that quickly fails or succeeds.

From Dictionary.com (British): the act or an instance of rebelling against a government in power or the civil authorities.

Seems your trying to use some linguistic gymnastics to cloud what American saw on TV Jan 6..

They were some how Trying to preserve it!

Definition of preserve (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1 : to keep safe from injury, harm, or destruction : PROTECT
2a : to keep alive, intact, or free from decay

Via insurrection because they lost at the ballot box .. don’t be mistaken their actions had nothing to do with the love of American or the constitution.. it was for the love of Trump


Essential Meaning of insurrection
: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.

Even Webster sees rebellion and uprising has the same meaning

And seeing you put Armed in Bold your suggestion they weren’t?

Webster Definition of armed (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : furnished with weapons

Definition of weapon (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : something (such as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy
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And seeing you put Armed in Bold your suggestion they weren’t?


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definitely....."armed" robbery typically refers to robbery with guns...no?

an "armed" suspect typically means a suspect with a gun....no?

an well "armed" militia...is not referring to clubs and knives

suggesting that this was an armed insurrection intended to overthrow the US government is a little ridiculous but keep up the good work

definitely....."armed" robbery typically refers to robbery with guns...no?

an "armed" suspect typically means a suspect with a gun....no?

an well "armed" militia...is not referring to clubs and knives

suggesting that this was an armed insurrection intended to overthrow the US government is a little ridiculous but keep up the good work
Well, at least you got it all wrong.

Well, at least you got it all wrong.

4 for 4 ...those cellphones are deadly weapons in the wrong hands...especially when used for cellassination attempts

an "armed" suspect typically means a suspect with a gun....no?



Wow did you seriously type and believe that, go rob a convenience store with your hunting knife and see what they charge you with, pretty sure you will be described as doing so armed with a dangerous weapon. Only someone desperately trying to make that narrative work would suggest many of these individuals were not armed if they were attempting bodily harm or death on those they beat on because they didn’t do it with a gun.
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Wow did you seriously type and believe that, go rob a convenience store with your hunting knife and see what they charge you with, pretty sure you will be described as doing so armed with a dangerous weapon. Only someone desperately trying to make that narrative work would suggest many of these individuals were not armed if they were attempting bodily harm or death on those they beat on because they didn’t do it with a gun.
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“Typically”


When I hear or read “armed” robber or suspect I think gun….google armed robber or armed suspect and see how many instances of robberies or crimes with clubs and knives pop up

Did they confiscate many knives at the armed insurrection?

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Go back to that convenience store and this time knock the clerk unconscious damn near killing him with your hockey stick and again dangerous weapon will be part of the charges and the pour bastard will deal with ptsd for years.

Seems your trying to use some linguistic gymnastics to cloud what American saw on TV Jan 6..

If using dictionary definitions is linguistic gymnastics, I guess that's what you do.

They were some how Trying to preserve it!

Definition of preserve (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1 : to keep safe from injury, harm, or destruction : PROTECT
2a : to keep alive, intact, or free from decay

If you're trying to "stop the steal," it would seem that you're trying to keep something safe.

Via insurrection because they lost at the ballot box .. don’t be mistaken their actions had nothing to do with the love of American or the constitution.. it was for the love of Trump

They didn't believe they lost at the ballot box.
They believed that the ballot box was "harmed." That it was "injured."
That it was not "intact." That the election was stolen. That the Constitution suffered a basic "destruction."

it was for the love of Trump

Another mind reader. Why should we even be having these discussions. Just ask you. You have the power to just know things, even what people really think when they say otherwise.

Essential Meaning of insurrection
: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government
He led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.

Here's another one for you from Cambridge: "an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government or ruler and take control of the country"

The elected executive branch of the government at the time was the Trump administration. There was no attempt to overthrow that duly elected and incumbent government.

Nor was there any proven overall organization of the rioters. There may have been some inconsequential and unrealistic planning by a few groups within the mass of rioters, but there was no overall organization. It seemed to be an incoherent mess. There was no coherent, organized claim to defeat the government and control the country. It is inconceivable how that could have been achieved, especially without some overall plan including a massive force of guns, ammo, and personnel.

If they had breached the congressional chamber, what then? They were going to tell Congress to surrender and that they were going to run the country?


Even Webster sees rebellion and uprising has the same meaning

You're using that sloppy technique of misusing language in order to persuade for a political purpose. The two words do not have "the same" meaning. Synonymity is a similarity or close relationship, not an exact sameness. Webster distinguishes the difference. The same goes for your above equation "an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising]" They are not equal. They have their own shade of meanings and connotations.

It is propagandistic technique to make words fluid in meaning in order to use the more inflamatory word that sort of sounds about right.

And seeing you put Armed in Bold your suggestion they weren’t?

Webster Definition of armed (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : furnished with weapons

Definition of weapon (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : something (such as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy
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From Factcheck.org: "a wide array of lethal weapons — including a firearm — were found on protesters at the Capitol" In addition . . . "According to a database compiled by NPR, of the people charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, 15 were armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol."

"Eight others facing civil disorder or property destruction charges also were charged with possessing weapons, according to the database."

"Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole."

So, out of the over 600 that have been charged, one had a firearm and 23 others had other "lethal weapons" such as baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole."

There's you're armed "insurrection, uprising, rebellion, revolution, etc., and riot."

We don’t know the extent of arms present as so many arrests were made after the insurrection. Playing with some stats doesn’t change anything. We know that guns, a lot of pepper spray and blunt objects were there as well as police batons and shields that were used to attack officers.

Lots of verbal run around.

We don’t know the extent of arms present as so many arrests were made after the insurrection. Playing with some stats doesn’t change anything. We know that guns, a lot of pepper spray and blunt objects were there as well as police batons and shields that were used to attack officers.

Lots of verbal run around.

"We don't know . . ." So let us conjecture and definitively accuse . . . call it an armed insurrection . . . that sounds about right . . . for our purposes.

Go back to that convenience store and this time knock the clerk unconscious damn near killing him with your hockey stick and again dangerous weapon will be part of the charges and the pour bastard will deal with ptsd for years.

be honest...if you hear there was an armed robbery at convenience store on the corner....you assume they had a gun

We don’t know the extent of arms present as so many arrests were made after the insurrection.

let's assume they were all very heavily armed....just couldn't hold the Capitol no matter how many shots they fired....

be honest...if you hear there was an armed robbery at convenience store on the corner....you assume they had a gun

^^^^ I thought only Jim could get his needle stuck like that.

^^^^ .

a little honesty would be nice

a little honesty would be nice

Sure, I honestly can’t believe you think a gun is the only dangerous weapon and thus these fu*kheads were not armed, unless you just never watched a minute of the films from that day, your reaching for a conclusion only the really far right are believing.

Sure, I honestly can’t believe you think a gun is the only dangerous weapon and thus these fu*kheads were not armed, unless you just never watched a minute of the films from that day, your reaching for a conclusion only the really far right are believing.

any nunchucks?....

probably could have avoided all of this if we simply replaced the Capitol police with social workers to safely de-escalate these types of situations...

Sure, I honestly can’t believe you think a gun is the only dangerous weapon and thus these fu*kheads were not armed, unless you just never watched a minute of the films from that day, your reaching for a conclusion only the really far right are believing.
He doesn't, his lot in life is to troll.

"Interrupting" the certification in Congress is not an insurrection. It is not a revolt against an established government. The established government at the time was the Trump administration. The Biden administration was not yet established. There was no attempt to overthrow the Trump administration. No attempt or plan to overthrow the constitutional system of government, but, instead, somehow to preserve it from being "stolen." Nor were the rioters a single organized group with a coherent unitary plan on how to revolt against the established government. Nor were the vast majority of disparate rioters armed.

From Merriam Webster:
Insurrection--an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government . . . When is uprising a more appropriate choice than insurrection? The meanings of uprising and insurrection largely overlap; however, uprising implies a brief, limited, and often immediately ineffective rebellion . . . REVOLT and INSURRECTION imply an armed uprising that quickly fails or succeeds.

From Dictionary.com (British): the act or an instance of rebelling against a government in power or the civil authorities.

You can play the semantic game all you want, there are federal laws people are charged with. It’s a matter of public record.

The number of federal cases against individuals involved in the Capitol Hill Siege stands at 602. According to the latest analysis of the cases:

The average age of individuals was 39-years-old.
Individuals came from 44 states and the District of Columbia.
Cases have been brought against 523 men (87%) and 79 women (13%).
The largest numbers came from Florida (64), Texas (58), and Pennsylvania (53).
The majority (>85%) were charged in part using evidence from their personal social media accounts, others' accounts, or both
70 (12%) have military experience (65 Veterans, 2 National Guard, 2 Reserve, 1 Active Duty)

What lead these people to believe the election was stolen?

Lawsuits?

The "Kraken" lawsuits failed before every judge that heard their cases: Trump appointees, before Bush appointees (both), and Obama appointees alike.

Every single one rebuked them.

"This lawsuit represents a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process."

A federal judge in Michigan orders sanctions for Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and seven other pro-Trump lawyers for their election fraud lawsuit based on conspiracy theories.

So who and how did some group of people convince these largely middle aged, middle class Americans that the election was stolen?

Who were the proponents and funders of the stop the steal groups, how was this information disseminated?
What would someone gain from this movement and how would it work?
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You can play the semantic game all you want, there are federal laws people are charged with. It’s a matter of public record.

Actually, I've been responding to the semantic "game" that you and others play of labeling something as an insurrection for political effect.

The number of federal cases against individuals involved in the Capitol Hill Siege stands at 602. According to the latest analysis of the cases:

The average age of individuals was 39-years-old.
Individuals came from 44 states and the District of Columbia.
Cases have been brought against 523 men (87%) and 79 women (13%).
The largest numbers came from Florida (64), Texas (58), and Pennsylvania (53).
The majority (>85%) were charged in part using evidence from their personal social media accounts, others' accounts, or both
70 (12%) have military experience (65 Veterans, 2 National Guard, 2 Reserve, 1 Active Duty)

What lead these people to believe the election was stolen?

Lawsuits?

The "Kraken" lawsuits failed before every judge that heard their cases: Trump appointees, before Bush appointees (both), and Obama appointees alike.

Every single one rebuked them.

"This lawsuit represents a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process."

A federal judge in Michigan orders sanctions for Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and seven other pro-Trump lawyers for their election fraud lawsuit based on conspiracy theories.

So who and how did some group of people convince these largely middle aged, middle class Americans that the election was stolen?

Who were the proponents and funders of the stop the steal groups, how was this information disseminated?
What would someone gain from this movement and how would it work?
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I don't "know" (a semantic possibility that those who play the semantic game of calling something an armed insurrection without proving that label yet "knowing" it is the correct one) if an actual, semantically correct "insurrection" took place.

And none of your above pieces of information even begins to illustrate that such a thing did take place. On the contrary, you referred to it as a "siege".

The semantic game changes from day to day.

He doesn't, his lot in life is to troll.

I call it friendly mocking of stupidity...you can call it what you want....free country and all of that...:laugha:

I don't "know" (a semantic possibility that those who play the semantic game of calling something an armed insurrection without proving that label yet "knowing" it is the correct one) if an actual, semantically correct "insurrection" took place.

And none of your above pieces of information even begins to illustrate that such a thing did take place. On the contrary, you referred to it as a "siege".

The semantic game changes from day to day.

There’s no need to guess what the StopTheSteal crew intended to do. They did it. They breached the Capitol. They might even have posted to Facebook a video of themselves doing so: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” The “strong anti-government views” of those who stormed the Capitol left the realm of merely words and became actual violence.

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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There’s no need to guess what the StopTheSteal crew intended to do. They did it. They breached the Capitol. They might even have posted to Facebook a video of themselves doing so: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” The “strong anti-government views” of those who stormed the Capitol left the realm of merely words and became actual violence.

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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Aha! Now it's seditious conspiracy. Will all 600+ be charged and convicted of this? Will the whole thing be an armed insurrection?

Aha! Now it's seditious conspiracy. Will all 600+ be charged and convicted of this? Will the whole thing be an armed insurrection?

We will see, do you think the DOJ is just playing?

Virtually every federal criminal statute has a hidden feature; primary offenders and even their
most casual accomplices face equal punishment. This is the work of 18 U.S.C. § 2, which visits
the same consequences on anyone who orders or intentionally assists in the commission of a
federal crime.
Aiding and abetting means assisting in the commission of someone else’s crime. Section 2(a)
demands that the defendant embrace the crime of another and consciously do something to
contribute to its success. An accomplice must know the offense is afoot if he is to intentionally
contribute to its success. While a completed offense is a prerequisite to conviction for aiding and
abetting, the hands-on offender need be neither named nor convicted.
On occasion, an accomplice will escape liability, either by judicial construction or administrative
grace. This happens most often when there is a perceived culpability gap between accomplice and
primary offender. Such accomplices are usually victims, customers, or subordinates of a primary
offender. On other occasions, an accomplice will be charged as a co-conspirator because the facts
that will support accomplice liability will ordinarily support conspirator liability and conspiracy is
a separate offense.

We will see, do you think the DOJ is just playing?


Waiting and seeing is what I've done throughout all the attempts to bring Trump down. Unlike others
who made confidant predictions which often proved wrong.

And I don't think the DOJ is just playing. Don't know if it ever does.
And this DOJ may well prosecute to the hilt, and more, anything associated with Trump.

Just keep waiting and seeing, the same guy who refused to honor fallen American soldiers at Bois Belleau because of the rain actually commentated on a boxing match AND addressed the Moonies on 9/11 and you along with the rest of the Trumplicans still support him?
The same guy who without a lick of evidence has convinced the majority of his supporters that lost elections must be rigged
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Just keep waiting and seeing, the same guy who refused to honor fallen American soldiers at Bois Belleau because of the rain actually commentated on a boxing match AND addressed the Moonies on 9/11 and you along with the rest of the Trumplicans still support him?
The same guy who without a lick of evidence has convinced the majority of his supporters that lost elections must be rigged
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Your depictions belong in another thread and the first has been hashed over. Old news and has nothing to do with what I support. What I support has also been hashed over in other threads. Trump is not who nor what I support. I support the opposition to Progressive government. I am becoming increasingly confident that what I support is a losing cause.

But I can still comment on what I see as lies and deceptions. For whatever good that may or may not be of use.

I call it friendly mocking of stupidity...you can call it what you want....free country and all of that...:laugha:

Well your right about one thing we are mocking stupidity. Hey breaking news capital police arrested a man armed with a knife and machete ahead of Saturday’s rally, oh crap it wasn’t a gun so all the reporting is wrong, he wasn’t armed at all. You better call channel five and the rest of the networks and set them straight.

Well your right about one thing we are mocking stupidity. Hey breaking news capital police arrested a man armed with a knife and machete ahead of Saturday’s rally, oh crap it wasn’t a gun so all the reporting is wrong, he wasn’t armed at all. You better call channel five and the rest of the networks and set them straight.
He was probably there to defend the Constitution from Warwick based Antifa terror troops.

Well your right about one thing we are mocking stupidity. Hey breaking news capital police arrested a man armed with a knife and machete ahead of Saturday’s rally, oh crap it wasn’t a gun so all the reporting is wrong, he wasn’t armed at all. You better call channel five and the rest of the networks and set them straight.

So he wasn't part of the Capital riot, insurrection, whatever you want to call it? Of the over 600 of those rioters arrested only one had a gun and only 23 others were armed with other things, bats, spray, flagpole, fire extinguisher, crow bar, riot shield.

So he wasn't part of the Capital riot, insurrection, whatever you want to call it? Of the over 600 of those rioters arrested only one had a gun and only 23 others were armed with other things, bats, spray, flagpole, fire extinguisher, crow bar, riot shield.
Highly misleading. Most were arrested later so you can't say only one had a gun, actually there was more than one found on Capital grounds. of the 23 those are just charges, not who actually wielded weapons (i.e. arms) against the Capital police. Watch the videos, that is the truth.

So he wasn't part of the Capital riot, insurrection, whatever you want to call it? Of the over 600 of those rioters arrested only one had a gun and only 23 others were armed with other things, bats, spray, flagpole, fire extinguisher, crow bar, riot shield.

Well he might have been and not yet identified and beating a capital policeman with a hockey stick, or baseball bat, flag pole, shield, or with a pistol is all assault with a dangerous weapon, spin your narrative all you like I’m not buying into it. I give credit to Bush coming out to put these people into the same boat as foreign born terrorists on 9-11. Oh and how did Trump pay his respects, probably on the links and of course he took offense to president Bush’s comments. Home grown terrorists are going to be our new threat.

Highly misleading. Most were arrested later so you can't say only one had a gun, actually there was more than one found on Capital grounds. of the 23 those are just charges, not who actually wielded weapons (i.e. arms) against the Capital police. Watch the videos, that is the truth.
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I think it’s safe to assume that most of the insurrectionists that stormed the capitol that day were carrying several guns each probably…based on all of the gunfire we know occurred during the siege as well as all of the shooting that took place as the authorities regained control of the United States after it was overthrown briefly

Does it strike anyone else as illuminating that President George W. Bush criticized “violent extremists” and Donald Trump took this to be an attack on himself?
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Does it strike anyone else as illuminating that President George W. Bush criticized “violent extremists” and Donald Trump took this to be an attack on himself?
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funny how smart leftists think Bush is now that he's not president anymore...when he was president he was an idiot and cheney was probably actually running the country....maybe they were misunderestimating him or something?

In yesterday’s rant, Trump describes George W. Bush as having "led a failed and uninspiring presidency." Which overlooks the inconvenient fact that, unlike Trump, Bush was re-elected.
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funny how smart leftists think Bush is now that he's not president anymore...when he was president he was an idiot and cheney was probably actually running the country....maybe they were misunderestimating him or something?

Silly troll, the difference is Trump never fulfilled the office of President. He couldn't take in the data, do the analysis, or lean on the experience & expertise around him to make the decisions required by the office.
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Silly troll, the difference is Trump never fulfilled the office of President. He couldn't take in the data, do the analysis, or lean on the experience & expertise around him to make the decisions required by the office.
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yet pre-covid...things were pretty good

yet pre-covid...things were pretty good

Till his first problem
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Silly troll,

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it's amusing when you refer to others as trolls :bl:

yet pre-covid...things were pretty good

post covid, things were also pretty good. Gallup does a poll every 4 years during presidential election years, asking people if they’re better off than 4 years ago.

When Gallup did that poll late in 2020, a record number of americans said they were better off than 4 years ago. Even during a pandemic, a record number of americans said they were better off than under Obama.

Have fun asking a liberal to comment on that. i’ve tried.

America liked his policies, but more than that, they disliked his disgusting antics.

That’s why Desantis terrifies them. He’s Trump without the easily attack-able moral flaws.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4747228002

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Sure Jim, but the poll that counts was conducted in the election.
It seems honesty and morals count more to others than to you.

Most Americans are not impressed by the Lardfather.

As far as your latest mini-Trump goes if only someone had warned the world about DeSantis 18 months ago.

COVID-19 death reporting by FL-DOH continues to confound reporters and scientists. There are 3 ways to calculate FL death and we explain the differences in this blog post:
https://covid19odds.com/covid-19-reporting-issues-bigger-than-fl-and-cdc/

Newsom should send fruit-baskets to Abbott & DeSantis.
Californians decided they rather live w/high taxes, high incomes, the seventh biggest GDP in the world and a guy who eats at The French Laundry, than under mini-Trump’s, exploiting COVID and controlling women’s uteruses.

Sure Jim, but the poll that counts was conducted in the election.
It seems honesty and morals count more to others than to you.

Most Americans are not impressed by the Lardfather.

As far as your latest mini-Trump goes if only someone had warned the world about DeSantis 18 months ago.

COVID-19 death reporting by FL-DOH continues to confound reporters and scientists. There are 3 ways to calculate FL death and we explain the differences in this blog post:
https://covid19odds.com/covid-19-reporting-issues-bigger-than-fl-and-cdc/

Newsom should send fruit-baskets to Abbott & DeSantis.
Californians decided they rather live w/high taxes, high incomes, the seventh biggest GDP in the world and a guy who eats at The French Laundry, than under mini-Trump’s, exploiting COVID and controlling women’s uteruses.

"the poll that counts was conducted in the election."

Um, yes I know. My point (sorry that it went over your head) is that a conservative who would govern like Trump did, but who isn't a lunatic, would be much more formidable of an opponent, which is why your side calls Governor Desantis "Governor Death Sentence" despite the fact that his death rates are lower than those in NY, which was led by the guy you all said was the gold standard.

"It seems honesty and morals count more to others than to you."

Like you? Ive said 100 times that Trump is disgusting. Not one of the lefties here, condemned eggs getting thrown at Larry Elder. So which one of us can put politics aside to say what's wrong, and which one of us cannot? I don't need lessons from anyone here who goes after someone elses daughters, so spare me your fake concern about morals.

"Most Americans are not impressed by the Lardfather."

I don't know who you mean, but your concern for honesty and morals seems to come and go, doesn't it?

"if only someone had warned the world about DeSantis 18 months ago."

Yes, why would anyone want to learn lessons from a state that stayed open, a state whose kids stayed in school, yet a state which has a death rate lower than many liberal states that closed down and shuttered schools, despite that state having a massive elderly population. A state with a booming economy despite low taxes, a state that tons of people and businesses are fleeing to, a state not experiencing a huge spike in violent crime (like blue state are experiencing). God forbid we have more of that!

What terrific arguments you're making. Please tell us more!

Feds say they have surveillance video from TWO local hotels in the accused Jan 6 OathKeepers conspiracy case among their evidence

Note some conspirators are accused of staging firearms at hotel in Ballston, Va as part of "Quick Reaction Force"
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Like you? Ive said 100 times that Trump is disgusting. Not one of the lefties here, condemned eggs getting thrown at Larry Elder. So which one of us can put politics aside to say what's wrong, and which one of us cannot? I don't need lessons from anyone here who goes after someone elses daughters, so spare me your fake concern about morals.
Well, I said she's a kook so I'm glad you're not associating me with the lefties.

Yes, why would anyone want to learn lessons from a state that stayed open, a state whose kids stayed in school, yet a state which has a death rate lower than many liberal states that closed down and shuttered schools, despite that state having a massive elderly population. A state with a booming economy despite low taxes, a state that tons of people and businesses are fleeing to, a state not experiencing a huge spike in violent crime (like blue state are experiencing). God forbid we have more of that!
Jim, Florida went to distance learning during Covid.

Jim, Covid is ravaging red states much more than blue right now.

Jim, the Florida economy is growing because of Baby Boomer relocation.

Jim, aside from IL and MD the worst states for violent crime are in the South.

You're speaking out of your a$$.

"the poll that counts was conducted in the election."

Um, yes I know. My point (sorry that it went over your head) is that a conservative who would govern like Trump did, but who isn't a lunatic, would be much more formidable of an opponent, which is why your side calls Governor Desantis "Governor Death Sentence" despite the fact that his death rates are lower than those in NY, which was led by the guy you all said was the gold standard.

Only a lunatic would ignore a pandemic and it's interesting that you cite Cuomo, the other governor to falsify Covid data and then claim some baloney. Death Sentence won by less people than died in Florida of Covid

"It seems honesty and morals count more to others than to you."

Like you? Ive said 100 times that Trump is disgusting. (you found his honesty and morals acceptable, said you would have no problem working for him) Not one of the lefties here, condemned eggs getting thrown at Larry Elder. So which one of us can put politics aside to say what's wrong, and which one of us cannot? I don't need lessons from anyone here who goes after someone elses daughters, so spare me your fake concern about morals. Once again you play your games, go back and look. I can go back for you if you want

"Most Americans are not impressed by the Lardfather."

I don't know who you mean, but your concern for honesty and morals seems to come and go, doesn't it? Sure you don't, TFG's approval rating is still the same

"if only someone had warned the world about DeSantis 18 months ago."

Yes, why would anyone want to learn lessons from a state that stayed open (Come relax, no Need to vax), a state whose kids stayed in school(School districts in Florida have mandated that masks be worn in schools, defying orders from their Republican state governors that ban districts from imposing such rules. The administration of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has threatened to withhold funding from districts that impose mask requirements), yet a state which has a death rate lower than many liberal states that closed down and shuttered schools (Only lower than the several high density states that were hit early, don't worry DeSantis is well on his way to catching up), despite that state having a massive elderly population. A state with a booming economy despite low taxes (40th in GDP per capita and the same growth as California) , a state that tons of people and businesses are fleeing to(Thanks to hurricanes, heat and red-hot home prices, the state’s population growth hit its lowest rate since 2014 during the pandemic), a state not experiencing a huge spike in violent crime (like blue state are experiencing)(Tampa Bay Times headline Murder, violent crime spike in Florida). God forbid we have more of that!

What terrific arguments you're making. Please tell us more!

See above

Well, I said she's a kook so I'm glad you're not associating me with the lefties.


Jim, Florida went to distance learning during Covid.

Jim, Covid is ravaging red states much more than blue right now.

Jim, the Florida economy is growing because of Baby Boomer relocation.

Jim, aside from IL and MD the worst states for violent crime are in the South.

You're speaking out of your a$$.

Yes FL schools closed for awhile. they opened back up WAY before lost other states. i’m sorry if you don’t happen to like that fact.

FL has had some terrible weeks. what matters more, inception to date death rates, or last weeks death rates? FL has to be awesome every single week? If FLs inception to death rates put it in the top 3 or top 5, i’ll be the first one to criticize.

“”The FL economy is booming because of boomer relocation.”

that used to be true, the vast majority of FL transplants were retirees. not anymore. sorry.
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Jim, the Florida economy is growing because of Baby Boomer relocation.



You're speaking out of your a$$.

i asked you this before, and you ran away. why aren’t seniors retiring to sunny california?

Retirees are great residents to have. they pay taxes, and don’t have kids in public school, which is any towns biggest expense. Retirees are therefore a gold mine.

Therefore, making your state attractive to retirees, is a sign of effective leadership, isn’t? Similarly, making your state an impossible
place for retirees indicates lousy leadership.

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Spence-

reported by the right wing nuts at Vox, a study on the impact of voter is laws done by the right wing nuts at Yale, Stanford, and UPenn….found little
impact of voter id laws.

i want open and fair elections. show me that ids are more cumbersome for
blacks ( forced to walk up more
flights of stairs, longer lines, etc) and i’ll be on board.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-voter-id-racism
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All the people I know that claimed Florida as their residence, did it for one or both of two reasons
It’s warm
There’s no income tax
They’re not there for the opportunity
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All the people I know that claimed Florida as their residence, did it for one or both of two reasons
It’s warm
There’s no income tax
They’re not there for the opportunity
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(1) California is also warm. Why aren’t they moving there.

(2) if having low taxes attracts more residents, then isn’t it a sign of effective leadership when a state can manage to not have an income tax, yet offer enough services to make people want to live there?

(3) “the people you know” aren’t a meaningful sample, sorry. I know retirees who have moved there for the weather, and i know younger white collar workers who lived there for the opportunity to have a similar ( if not better) quality of life at a far lower cost.
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All the people I know that claimed Florida as their residence, did it for one or both of two reasons
It’s warm
There’s no income tax
They’re not there for the opportunity
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For your much-needed education.

Businesses, including Goldman Sachs ( ever herd of them, Pete?) are setting up a presence in Florida.

Just because you don’t personally know someone who experiences something ( or more likely, you do know someone who moved there but can’t admit it for political reasons), doesn’t mean that experience isnt taking place.

I don’t know anyone who plays for the New York Yankees, that doesn’t mean I can say that there’s no such team.

https://www.bipc.com/4-reasons-why-businesses-are-flocking-to-florida
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Poor little man
Everyone knows
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+florida+sucks&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS970US970&oq=why+florida+sucks&aqs=chrome..69i57.12712j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Poor little man
Everyone knows
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+florida+sucks&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS970US970&oq=why+florida+sucks&aqs=chrome..69i57.12712j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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so one guy you like, doesn’t like FL, and that negates all the positive statistics about FL.

Hard to imagine why so many block you.
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How's life in your cubicle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsayg_S4pJg