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wdmso

09-09-2021, 08:46 AM

many people are upset. just not the zealots here, the same zealots who are in the tiny group of people who give biden good marks for the afghanistan withdrawal. you guys think you’re the mainstream, because you never ever listen thoughtfully to anyone who isnt exactly like you.

I’m appalled at what happened in january 6, makes me
sick that my side resorted to that. arrest every one of them, charge them
to the fullest extent of the law. Is that a crazy position for me to have?

every assumption you make about me, is 100% wrong, because you assume I’m as thoughtless as you, that i can’t criticize my own side. I have repeatedly criticized my own side, yet you embarrass yourself by posting that i’d forgive rioters in my side.

You are the one who never criticized any liberal no matter what they do. i’m honest and fair, which you are incapable of.

Let that sink in.
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And you’ve written more outrage over an Eggassination attempt than that Jan 6th until now that is that was my only point ..

As for criticism of liberals I believe Como needed to resign, do I think Biden should resign for how Afghanistan went down Nope . Could things have gone better absolutely. Do I think the infrastructure a bit high yes but why not we haven’t had one in decades and Republicans are just saying no for the sake of saying no .. never mind their covid response.. so to be honest when Republicans are still creating more issues then they help to resolve . It’s hard to criticize the left for attempting to provide solutions to problems. And easier to criticize the right for attempting to provide solutions for problems that only exist in their imagination
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Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 08:58 AM

And you’ve written more outrage over an Eggassination attempt than that Jan 6th until now that is that was my only point ..

As for criticism of liberals I believe Como needed to resign, do I think Biden should resign for how Afghanistan went down Nope . Could things have gone better absolutely. Do I think the infrastructure a bit high yes but why not we haven’t had one in decades and Republicans are just saying no for the sake of saying no .. never mind their covid response.. so to be honest when Republicans are still creating more issues then they help to resolve . It’s hard to criticize the left for attempting to provide solutions to problems. And easier to criticize the right for attempting to provide solutions for problems that only exist in their imagination
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"And you’ve written more outrage over an Eggassination attempt than that Jan 6th until now that is that was my only point .. "

Fair enough. But it shouldn't surprise you to hear me say those people behaved horribly and should be prosecuted. I also stand by my position that if the political angle and ethnicities were different, the unarmed woman shot to death without warning by a cop, would have been handled very very differently. It was ignored because she was a white conservative.

"do I think Biden should resign for how Afghanistan went down Nope"

Me either. But I didn't see you do anything but defend him (and insult his critics) on the other thread.

"never mind their covid response"

Yet states with the highest death rates to date, are disproportionately democrat. That's irrefutable fact. But you just can't accept it, because you don't happen to like it.

"It’s hard to criticize the left for attempting to provide solutions to problems. And easier to criticize the right for attempting to provide solutions for problems that only exist in their imagination"

Now, that's more along the lines of what I expected.

Why are huge numbers of people and businesses fleeing blue states, moving to red states? If you say "because of weather", keep in mind that southern California has nice weather, and yet people aren't moving there, California is losing population big time, much to Texas.

Pete F.

09-09-2021, 09:58 AM

Listen to the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n9OFmCO-WU&t=70s

scottw

09-09-2021, 12:03 PM

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Yup. I don’t think anyone here has supported the actions I’ve said very clearly that I think anyone who entered the Capitol or committed a crime should be held accountable but because I don’t support putting someone charged with trespassing in jail for 18 months I must be a seditionist and traitor…
Similarly….despite the fact that I’m vaccinated and will have a mask on most of the day today. Because I don’t support government mandated vaccination….I’m an anti-vaxxer…this is how the totalitarians operate. You either agree with them completely or they become enraged and vindictive. Pretty screwed up😜
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Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 12:26 PM

Similarly….despite the fact that I’m vaccinated and will have a mask on most of the day today. Because I don’t support government mandated vaccination….I’m an anti-vaxxer…this is how the totalitarians operate. You either agree with them completely or they become enraged and vindictive. Pretty screwed up😜
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exactly. conservatives aren’t anti vaccine, were opposed to state laws forcing us to get it.

the groups that are least vaccinated include blacks and people with phd’s, two groups that are heavily democratic. but like everything, it’s all the republicans fault.
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Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 12:49 PM

Yup. I don’t think anyone here has supported the actions I’ve said very clearly that I think anyone who entered the Capitol or committed a crime should be held accountable but because I don’t support putting someone charged with trespassing in jail for 18 months I must be a seditionist and traitor…
Similarly….despite the fact that I’m vaccinated and will have a mask on most of the day today. Because I don’t support government mandated vaccination….I’m an anti-vaxxer…this is how the totalitarians operate. You either agree with them completely or they become enraged and vindictive. Pretty screwed up😜
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look how they frame every issue.

If you're pro-life, it' snot because you have empathy for a vulnerable defenseless human being, it's because you want to enslave women.

If you want a secure border, it's not because it makes economic and national security sense, it's because you hate mexicans.

If you want reasonable taxes, it's not because you're practical, it's because you hate poor people (high tax states like CA and CT have eliminated poverty, you see).

If you're concerned about jihadists, it's because you're an Islamaphobe.

If you are comfortable with christianity, it's because you're a homophobe.

In their minds, it's not possible to have a principled disagreement about anything. Any disagreement must be rooted in hate and ignorance.

wdmso

09-09-2021, 12:55 PM

exactly. conservatives aren’t anti vaccine, were opposed to state laws forcing us to get it.

the groups that are least vaccinated include blacks and people with phd’s, two groups that are heavily democratic. but like everything, it’s all the republicans fault.
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maybe they should call it a vaccine dress code ? the right polticalitized the Vaccine and now its biting them in the back Said

Yet if your Pro Choice you support abortion the right need to understand they cant claim these exceptions for themselves but deny them to others But they do it all the time .... and that's actually How the totalitarians operate.. :btu:

Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 01:39 PM

maybe they should call it a vaccine dress code ? the right polticalitized the Vaccine and now its biting them in the back Said

Yet if your Pro Choice you support abortion the right need to understand they cant claim these exceptions for themselves but deny them to others But they do it all the time .... and that's actually How the totalitarians operate.. :btu:

trump was president when the vaccine was created. trump
said today everyone should get vaccinated.

FACT - two of the groups with the lowest vaccination rates are blacks and people with PhDs. those are not people who take their marching orders from republicans, last time i checked.

how is it the fault of republicans, that blacks and college professors are hesitant to get vaccinated? i just can’t wait to hear your answer to that one. good luck.
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RIROCKHOUND

09-09-2021, 01:58 PM

how is it the fault of republicans, that blacks and college professors are hesitant to get vaccinated? i just can’t wait to hear your answer to that one. good luck.
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It's not, but then you know no one should be arguing that all hesitancy is driven by Trump and there are no other causes.

It is hard to not notice this correlation...

Pete F.

09-09-2021, 02:14 PM

A Facebook survey was the basis for the study that identified PhDs with low rates, odd isn't it considering that other more rigid studies find that more education = higher vaccination rates.

Is the current COVID-19 surge a "pandemic of the unvaccinated?" No, according to Rhea Boyd, MD, MPH, pediatrician and co-developer of the "The Conversation: Between Us, About Us" project to encourage more people of color to get vaccinated.

"This is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Boyd said Wednesday at a virtual event sponsored by the Alliance for Health Policy. Instead, "what we really exposed during the vaccination distribution effort is just how unequal the United States is" when it comes to getting access to COVID-19 vaccines. She presented data from the New York Times and the Kaiser Family Foundation showing that vaccine distribution was worse in Southern states, which also are where more Black and Latinx people live (the conversation is a joint project of the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Black Coalition Against COVID).

In addition to the vaccine distribution problem, "we also know this is an area of the country where access to insurance is not evenly distributed because these are states who have disproportionately been less likely to expand Medicaid," she said. "So what that means is now 97% of adults in this country who live in the coverage gap, which means their income is too high to qualify for Medicaid, but too low to be eligible for the [Affordable Care Act] marketplace or premium tax credits -- those folks who then just simply lack coverage -- mostly live in the South," particularly in states like Texas and Florida "which are states where we're all seeing surges and we're seeing lower rates of vaccination."

Boyd noted that CDC data released Monday showed that a smaller percentage of Black and Latinx individuals in the U.S. have been fully vaccinated compared with whites. One barrier for many of these unvaccinated people is cost: although they know that the vaccine itself is free, "getting to that vaccination site requires gas in your tank, it requires bus fare. It might require a parking fee if you go to a public site in the community," she said. "Getting to and from healthcare always costs money, and that is a concern for people who are low-income, and we've seen that people who are low-income are more likely to be disproportionately unvaccinated."

Taking time off of work is another barrier, especially when it comes to getting children vaccinated, she continued; one poll found that 25% of all parents who had unvaccinated children, ages 12 to 17, said they would be more likely to get their children vaccinated if they were given paid time off to do so, she said. They would also be more likely to get vaccinated themselves "if their medical provider could come to their workplace to do it," Boyd added.

The information gap is another problem for lower-income people. "We are also facing an information gap in communities that mirrors the health literacy gap that has existed in this country for decades, if not centuries," she said. "People who have access to resources and healthcare tend to have access to credible information about health, and other communities do not. On top of that information gap, we are obviously also facing a disinformation campaign that's been targeting communities of color, particularly Black folks, since the beginning of the vaccine rollout."

"Our nation's unvaccinated are not a monstrous monolith," Boyd said. "This is not a group who is adverse to science, or medical care. We have seen that this is a group who is more likely to be our nation's working poor; they're more likely to lack the resources to actually access any type of healthcare, let alone a vaccination. And so if we're going to vaccinate them, we have to talk about what we're going to do to address access barriers both to the vaccines and other types of medical care, but also to information about vaccines."

For instance, "we need to talk about universal healthcare, so that the cost of vaccination truly is free for folks," she continued. "We need to talk about paid sick leave ...We need to acknowledge that disinformation is rarely behind a paywall, but credible science often is, and so we need to make sure that -- particularly around COVID and health in general -- that we provide free access to everybody to have that information online and in their community."

Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 02:15 PM

It's not, but then you know no one should be arguing that all hesitancy is driven by Trump and there are no other causes.

It is hard to not notice this correlation...

and if vaccine hesitancy was correlated with state, you’d have a point. but again, there are other variables more correlated. race and education are the big ones.

how come you didn’t show a chart showing vaccination by race or education? is it because that chart wouldn’t make republicans look bad?
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Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 02:16 PM

It's not, but then you know no one should be arguing that all hesitancy is driven by Trump and there are no other causes.

It is hard to not notice this correlation...

your map shows a very high vaccination rate in CT. but the vaccination rates among blacks in CT, is low.

don’t cherry pick, you’re the one guy on that side who knows better.
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RIROCKHOUND

09-09-2021, 02:18 PM

and if vaccine hesitancy was correlated with state, you’d have a point. but again, there are other variables more correlated. race and education are the big ones.

how come you didn’t show a chart showing vaccination by race or education? is it because that chart wouldn’t make republicans look bad?
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Because I agreed with your point that those two populations don't relate to Trump/GOP hesitancy.
Race and education are two big ones I don't think those are the only to variables out there. Are you trying to say that the reason Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia Wyoming and Idaho are the lowest on that map because of race and an abundance of hesitant PhD's?

Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 02:19 PM

It's not, but then you know no one should be arguing that all hesitancy is driven by Trump and there are no other causes.

It is hard to not notice this correlation...

63% of the state of CT is vaccinated, but among blacks, it’s only 43%.

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=35319&publicId=395
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Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 02:22 PM

Because I agreed with your point that those two populations don't relate to Trump/GOP hesitancy.
Race and education are two big ones I don't think those are the only to variables out there. Are you trying to say that the reason Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia Wyoming and Idaho are the lowest on that map because of race and an abundance of hesitant PhD's?

if you don’t think they’re the only two variables, you have to do a multivariate look, not a univariate look, to find the other variables. come on.

the study i posted is just for CT, by race.

wdmso said republicans are politicizing the vaccine. you posted a map of trump voters. But try to follow me here…

TRUMP IS A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR VACCINES.

Kamala Harris was the one who said she wouldn’t take it, if trump said to take it. Well, trump is saying to take it. So if anyone is persuading blacks not to take it, it’s Kamala Harris. She said not to take it if trump suggested we take it.

et tu, Brian? the one guy i expect better from.
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wdmso

09-09-2021, 02:55 PM

trump was president when the vaccine was created. trump
said today everyone should get vaccinated.

FACT - two of the groups with the lowest vaccination rates are blacks and people with PhDs. those are not people who take their marching orders from republicans, last time i checked.

how is it the fault of republicans, that blacks and college professors are hesitant to get vaccinated? i just can’t wait to hear your answer to that one. good luck.
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Jim here we go again.. with the blacks There are about twice as many Republicans as there are Black people in the United States

It estimates that Black Americans make up about 13 percent of the population and 13 percent of the group that says it will never receive a dose of the vaccine. Republicans, by contrast, make up more than half of each group, including nearly 6 in 10 of those who say they won’t get vaccinated.

the PHD thing another red herring https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/

Jim in CT

09-09-2021, 02:59 PM

It's not, but then you know no one should be arguing that all hesitancy is driven by Trump and there are no other causes.

It is hard to not notice this correlation...

ANd of course there's some correlation. There's a certain kind of paranoid irrational person, who will never do anytihng the federal government says to do. The overwhelming majority of those (sad to say) are Republicans, and no they don't have PhDs, you got me there.

scottw

09-10-2021, 04:01 AM

TRUMP IS A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR VACCINES.

if I recall he was one of the first to tout the vaccinations get vaccinated...but it's the people that do whatever he says that won't get vaccinated?...makes sense...remember the democrat who poisoned and I think killed her husband with fish tank cleaner because Trump told her it would prevent covid and possibly long marriages?...that was great

Kamala Harris was the one who said she wouldn’t take it,

Kamala, Biden, Cuomo and other influential leftists...they had serious concerns about the exact same vaccine they'd now like to mandate...it's so funy how that works

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we need the media lying more and running phony stories about things like ivermectin so that leftists can puff out their chest and mock people who don't share their views for taking things like "horse dewormers".... and stuff...because it's never been used in humans...only horses...right?...:kewl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cKkOZevNaQ&t=309s

scottw

09-10-2021, 04:44 AM

The egging of politicians is a well-known form of protest

Look it up it’s a historic fact

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and therefore, you support it?.....or only for certain throwers and certain targets? and is it therefore ok to throw other stuff at people you might disagree with?

wdmso

09-10-2021, 08:40 AM

and therefore, you support it?.....or only for certain throwers and certain targets? and is it therefore ok to throw other stuff at people you might disagree with?

Where you get support it ? I wouldn’t do it but I do support non violent forms of protest . [ and if it’s a criminal act she should be arrested ) Or do you consider throwing an egg an act of violence , but yet the capital rioters were unarmed ?

It’s just odd an egg thrower in a gorilla mask seems to provoke more outrage than a horned guy marching Thru the capital bldg
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wdmso

09-10-2021, 08:55 AM

we need the media lying more and running phony stories about things like ivermectin so that leftists can puff out their chest and mock people who don't share their views for taking things like "horse dewormers".... and stuff...because it's never been used in humans...only horses...right?...:kewl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cKkOZevNaQ&t=309s

Every thinks fake and made up in the world .. unless it comes off you tube or from the mouth of conservatives ….

Because it’s never been used in humans right

The right used Same lame excuse with hydroxychloroquine and once again is doing it with ivermectin .
Yes they are both used for parasite not COVID 19

Anyone see a pattern

Lies good Truth bad ..
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Jim in CT

09-10-2021, 09:49 AM

Jim in CT

09-10-2021, 09:53 AM

Where you get support it ? I wouldn’t do it but I do support non violent forms of protest . [ and if it’s a criminal act she should be arrested ) Or do you consider throwing an egg an act of violence , but yet the capital rioters were unarmed ?

It’s just odd an egg thrower in a gorilla mask seems to provoke more outrage than a horned guy marching Thru the capital bldg
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so in your list above, you ask scott “where he gets” the idea that you support throwing eggs.

then you say you support non violent protests, then question why scott would consider why throwing violent? and if it’s not violent, you said you support it.

so you ask scott where he got the idea that you’d support it, then you immediately say you support it.

scott and i have also said explicitly, that the january 6 trespassers and rioters should be charged to the fullest extent of the law. so i don’t know where you get the idea that we’re in favor of letting them off.
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scottw

09-10-2021, 12:38 PM

Every thinks fake and made up in the world .. unless it comes off you tube or from the mouth of conservatives ….

Because it’s never been used in humans right

The right used Same lame excuse with hydroxychloroquine and once again is doing it with ivermectin .
Yes they are both used for parasite not COVID 19

Anyone see a pattern

Lies good Truth bad ..
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You know it’s not “the right” that has lied about ivermectin…right…you should be more open minded 😊
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spence

09-10-2021, 01:14 PM

Wait, how does Jim know the egg throwers are Democrats???

scottw

09-10-2021, 04:11 PM

Wait, how does Jim know the egg throwers are Democrats???

eggs, urine, feces....look it up...it's a historical fact

Pete F.

09-10-2021, 04:42 PM

eggs, urine, feces....look it up...it's a historical fact

Sounds more like a conservative fetish, though you left out cuckholding.
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wdmso

09-10-2021, 05:41 PM

You know it’s not “the right” that has lied about ivermectin…right…you should be more open minded 😊
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it not the right that has lied really how so ? can't wait to hear ..please let me know what information I am missing :huh:

wdmso

09-10-2021, 05:51 PM

nope. what’s bothersome, is that liberals aren’t reacting to Elder getting egged, the way they would have reacted if it were Obama or any black democrat.

You deny that?
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you do know the egg missed correct so it was an attempted egging

and is throwing an egg an act of violence? or considered Armed

I am confused but the Right clearly feels the Jan 6th rioters were not Armed ..

But but Obama really

spence

09-10-2021, 08:46 PM

scottw

09-11-2021, 04:25 AM

I'm just going to but this down gently.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/09/larry-elder-debate-radio-california-republican-510563?fbclid=IwAR1POeGW60GdPN978LgdksPtAsqvF6htJI nA0i4J9duT7xTtPFLpes700i4

sounds like he'd make a great politician...and...

Newsome is such a fabulous human being it would be a shame to replace him with a black white supremacist

and...

butt this NEVER-EVER happens in liberal/leftist politics and media:hihi:

"Choosing self-serving, conflict-driven entertainment and ratings over subtlety and intellectual honesty is what (conservative) media does all too often, and it’s become required in (conservative) politics, too"

wdmso

09-11-2021, 06:14 AM

it interesting in California Newsom's got 61.9 percent of the Vote

To qualify a recall of the Governor for the ballot, proponents need a minimum of 1,495,709 valid petition signatures. This is equal to 12 percent of the votes cast for the office of Governor in 2018, which is the last time the office was on the ballot.

WOW talk about abuse of power and defranching voters

a side note Elder was Steven Millers mentor. what a Peach yet Trump won't endorse him or give him any of that money he's been grifting from his Cult..

However he is the newest darling of the right . whom most had no idea who he was until they were told they should

detbuch

09-11-2021, 09:15 AM

However he is the newest darling of the right . whom most had no idea who he was until they were told they should

Did you just make this up? The "right" has been aware of Elder for a long time. He is not the newest "darling". And he's way smarter and more aware of the lies, deceptions, and agendas of the left than you.

scottw

09-11-2021, 11:27 AM

WOW talk about abuse of power and defranching voters

WTF?

Got Stripers

09-11-2021, 01:12 PM

WTF?

^^^you are in fact hilarious, math isn’t your strong suit we understand

The Dad Fisherman

09-11-2021, 01:53 PM

WTF?

Defranching must be the pass back.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Franching

****Definitely NSFW****
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scottw

09-11-2021, 03:48 PM

Defranching must be the pass back.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Franching

****Definitely NSFW****
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I wasn't even referring to the spelling...there is apparently a process in place in California for recall of a governor....suddenly leftist and the party of impeachment has determined the process or laws may be "unconstitutional" and/or "defranching" and/or "abuse of power"...and in all likelihood ...extremely racist.....and in desperate need of reform. we've seen this before....

spence

09-11-2021, 03:53 PM

TRUMP IS A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR VACCINES.
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I think I’ve heard Trump suggest recently just once to get vaccinated and for that he got booed.

scottw

09-11-2021, 03:56 PM

I think I’ve heard Trump suggest recently just once to get vaccinated and for that he got booed.

I heard he loves the poorly vaccinated....

scottw

09-11-2021, 03:57 PM

math isn’t your strong suit we understand

only when I run out of fingers....

spence

09-11-2021, 04:03 PM

I heard he loves the poorly vaccinated....
He loves to take advantage of them.

wdmso

09-12-2021, 08:08 AM

I wasn't even referring to the spelling...there is apparently a process in place in California for recall of a governor....suddenly leftist and the party of impeachment has determined the process or laws may be "unconstitutional" and/or "defranching" and/or "abuse of power"...and in all likelihood ...extremely racist.....and in desperate need of reform. we've seen this before....
We saw it in every Republican state after trump lost

And who ever claimed it was unconstitutional. The same thing happened when Arnold got elected It’s clearly a crazy process and even crazier in liberal state ..
To have such a low bar to reverse or remove someone ,voted into office with the majority of Votes that’s not taking away voters power at the ballot box ..

Not much different then our 50 50 senate

if you add up the population of states and assign half to each of their two senators, “the Democratic half of the Senate represents 41,549,808 million more people than the Republican half.”

Fairness isn’t in the Rights best interest
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wdmso

09-12-2021, 08:24 AM

Did you just make this up? The "right" has been aware of Elder for a long time. He is not the newest "darling". And he's way smarter and more aware of the lies, deceptions, and agendas of the left than you.

Outside your bubble no one ever heard of him or cared till now unless maybe you lived in California

He is a entertainer who pours the honey of lies and conspiracy and outrage into his audiences ears , who like yourself . Who are convinced what he is exposing are the lies and deceptions and agendas you have all created in your heads … Communism socialism Marxism and liberalism are out to destroy Americanism

Your a cash cow nothing more nothing less even Trump understands the business model of the rights outrage machine ..and is cleaning house like a traveling tent preacher
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wdmso

09-12-2021, 08:32 AM

Jim what’s worst having an egg thrown at you ? How about a shoe ? or being accused by the other party you are not an American your a Muslim and where is your Birth certificate and repeated the same lie with the current
VP one is clearly more outrageous then the other but both tasteless
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detbuch

09-12-2021, 01:15 PM

Outside your bubble no one ever heard of him or cared till now unless maybe you lived in California

I live in an awfully large bubble. Most in my large bubble knew about Elder, just as we knew about your bubble's favorite "darlings". Your bubble, of course, is smaller. Probably why you didn't know about him.

He is a entertainer who pours the honey of lies and conspiracy and outrage into his audiences ears , who like yourself . Who are convinced what he is exposing are the lies and deceptions and agendas you have all created in your heads … Communism socialism Marxism and liberalism are out to destroy Americanism

He is many things, including entrepreneur, businessman, commentator, writer, political activist, among others. He can be entertaining when he speaks, although his intent is more serious than mere entertainment. He, like Thomas Sowell, is data driven. He doesn't merely make stuff up. Facts and data are what moved him to so-called libertarian conservatism.

As for what's in my head, Progressivism was founded on the notion that traditional Americanism was outdated. That the Constitution was not only outdated, but an actual impediment to good government. And as for communism, socialism, and Marxism, they most certainly are destructive of founding American principles. And I am concerned with the misuse of language in general and of words specifically. And I think about and enjoy golf. And many, many other things.

The "liberalism", to which you refer, is a different linguistic animal. The word, as is commonly used in current political discourse, is a victim of sloppy, situational usage. Actual classical liberalism is "a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise." Current political so-called liberalism is "the holding of political views that are socially progressive and promote social welfare." It is the political creation of those like the founders of Progressivism which determines what rights are and to whom they belong. For them, there is no unalienable right.

Your a cash cow nothing more nothing less even Trump understands the business model of the rights outrage machine ..and is cleaning house like a traveling tent preacher
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I'm a cash cow alright, but not for Trump. Lots of my cash goes into the unlimited, bankrupt, government spending. I know, I know, both parties do it. Thanks to the Progressive breach of constitutional limitations.

scottw

09-12-2021, 02:40 PM

Jim what’s worst having an egg thrown at you ? How about a shoe ?

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Depends on what size
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scottw

09-12-2021, 02:43 PM

We saw it in every Republican state after trump lost

And who ever claimed it was unconstitutional. The same thing happened when Arnold got elected It’s clearly a crazy process and even crazier in liberal state ..
To have such a low bar to reverse or remove someone ,voted into office with the majority of Votes that’s not taking away voters power at the ballot box ..

Not much different then our 50 50 senate

if you add up the population of states and assign half to each of their two senators, “the Democratic half of the Senate represents 41,549,808 million more people than the Republican half.”

Fairness isn’t in the Rights best interest
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I’d respond but I have no idea what you are talking about….
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Got Stripers

09-13-2021, 05:34 PM

Did you just make this up? The "right" has been aware of Elder for a long time. He is not the newest "darling". And he's way smarter and more aware of the lies, deceptions, and agendas of the left than you.

So the right put this guy up in a blue state loaded with immigrants and promotes eliminating the minimum wage? Looking like he isn’t like to win so in true Trump a*ss kissing fashion he is already threatening lawsuits over voter fraud.

detbuch

09-13-2021, 07:09 PM

So the right put this guy up in a blue state loaded with immigrants and promotes eliminating the minimum wage? Looking like he isn’t like to win so in true Trump a*ss kissing fashion he is already threatening lawsuits over voter fraud.

Sounds about right.

Pete F.

09-13-2021, 09:08 PM

detbuch

09-13-2021, 09:18 PM

Pete F.

09-14-2021, 06:22 AM

How dare he!! Typical whiney victim black person. You're so right. This is Trumplikan gaslighting. The worst kind of gaslighting. Not the good kind like Biden and the leaders of the Democrats do.

Go get him Pete!!

Calling an election rigged before it even happens is the biggest possible “tell” that you yourself are trying to game the system. I wonder how many examples we need before we learn that.
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detbuch

09-14-2021, 03:32 PM

Calling an election rigged before it even happens is the biggest possible “tell” that you yourself are trying to game the system. I wonder how many examples we need before we learn that.
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Sort of like calling someone a Putin Puppet before the results are in. Or an impeachment or two before they're over. Not sure how many examples of your calls including many mistaken regurgitations of reports that Trump lied or said Nazis were very fine people, or that Trump gave China our medical equipment that we badly needed, and many more we need before we learn the biggest possible tell about trusting you.

Pete F.

09-14-2021, 05:27 PM

You don't need a new book to tell you that Trump tried to overturn an election and the Constitution by violence.

Or that House/Senate Republicans refused to impeach/convict him for his violent attempt.

Or that Trump is the front-runner for the GOP 2024 presidential nomination.
At this point, the news is not what Trump did in January 2021.

The news is the ever-growing number of Republicans willing to excuse, justify, exonerate, and repeat what Trump did in January 2021.
I know it's hard to keep being shocked.

But it did really actually happen that as a sitting president Donald Trump tried to overturn the US Constitution by violence.

And that a big chunk of the Congress and the country shrugged off the attempt as no big deal.
Obama said in 2016: "democracy's on the ballot." That's tragically going to be true again in 2022 and very possibly 2024.
So the real question moving forward is:

Will there be ANY Republican candidate who accepts the results of their election?
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detbuch

09-14-2021, 05:47 PM

Got Stripers

09-14-2021, 06:15 PM

What is this voter fraud Trump, Elder and others on the right speak of? Oh wait no evidence of it to date, unless of course your on the right and you need to say hey we won regardless of the rigged election results. This is their strategy moving forward, granted I see it actually blowing up in their face, but in their wacky world they think they can keep people from voting if they say it’s rigged. The irony is I think that message is impacting more of Republican voters than the desired target.

spence

09-14-2021, 06:21 PM

detbuch

09-14-2021, 06:35 PM

I think seeking to undermine the election process with no evidence of fraud is one of the worst things you could do in this country.

Elder wasn't seeking to undermine the election process.

spence

09-14-2021, 06:57 PM

Elder wasn't seeking to undermine the election process.
I’m done if you want to post crap like this. Really.

Got Stripers

09-14-2021, 07:06 PM

I’m done if you want to post crap like this. Really.

He also doesn’t think Trump and others incited the assault on the Capitol, don’t get him going it will be a barrage of links and blue font.

Pete F.

09-14-2021, 09:33 PM

Even the Trumplicans tried to cancel “poor” Larry
“She went ballistic over what I said," Elder told Newsweek. "Never mind my body of work both in print and on radio where I expressed extreme skepticism about the fairness of the 2020 election. This is the kind of zero tolerance that induces people like me to not to want to go into politics."
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Got Stripers

09-15-2021, 09:16 AM

Maybe Larry should take a page out of the terminators playbook and when interviewed after losing say don’t worry I’ll be back.

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 10:39 AM

I think seeking to undermine the election process with no evidence of fraud is one of the worst things you could do in this country.

so when a republican dares to run against a democrat, we now call that “undermining the election process”?

I bet you didn’t share those concerns when Scott Walker was recalled. Right? That recall gave you a big erection.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 11:34 AM

so when a republican dares to run against a democrat, we now call that “undermining the election process”?

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Was he only talking about running against the a democrat when he made that statement?

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 11:42 AM

Was he only talking about running against the a democrat when he made that statement?

All the libs everywhere are saying this was just a partisan hit job against the election process. Haven't heard anyone say what they mean. Did Elder forge signatures on the recall petition? He he get dead people to vote? Or did he have the chutzpah to challenge a very prominent democrat, one in charge of a state that's a hot mess, that people are fleeing from, that ordered his citizenry to stay home while he went out for lavish dinners, because he's superior to everyone else?

I saw none of this concern when Scott Walker was recalled, but that was a good thing, because he was a republican.

Pete F.

09-15-2021, 11:59 AM

And the gaslighting starts with the same playbook as the leader of the Republicans
Before there are any results from the recall, Elder’s campaign is promoting a petition “demanding a special session of the California legislature to investigate and ameliorate the twisted results of this 2021 Recall Election of Governor Gavin Newsom."
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Calling an election rigged before it even happens is the biggest possible “tell” that you yourself are trying to game the system. I wonder how many examples we need before we learn that.
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What is this voter fraud Trump, Elder and others on the right speak of? Oh wait no evidence of it to date, unless of course your on the right and you need to say hey we won regardless of the rigged election results. This is their strategy moving forward, granted I see it actually blowing up in their face, but in their wacky world they think they can keep people from voting if they say it’s rigged. The irony is I think that message is impacting more of Republican voters than the desired target.

so when a republican dares to run against a democrat, we now call that “undermining the election process”?

I bet you didn’t share those concerns when Scott Walker was recalled. Right? That recall gave you a big erection.
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No, it's when without evidence of any kind they call foul

Pretty odd visualization you have, sounds like wishful thinking to me

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 12:09 PM

No, it's when without evidence of any kind they call foul

Pretty odd visualization you have, sounds like wishful thinking to me

The Newsom camp called this thing a partisan hit job last week. What had elder done, to warrant that?

Is he saying there was cheating?

Pete i have full faith that Trump
legitimately got creamed, ok? Never said otherwise.

So can you tell me why it’s ok to require an id to see your doctor, but not to vote?

If you put the words beat apolitical problem solvers in a room, and asked them the best ways to endure we ruin integrity, every single one of them would say voter id and voting in person if possible. I can only think of one possible reason why anyone would oppose this, they want it to be easier to cheat. There’s no other possible reason.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 12:09 PM

All the libs everywhere are saying this was just a partisan hit job against the election process. Haven't heard anyone say what they mean. Did Elder forge signatures on the recall petition? He he get dead people to vote? Or did he have the chutzpah to challenge a very prominent democrat, one in charge of a state that's a hot mess, that people are fleeing from, that ordered his citizenry to stay home while he went out for lavish dinners, because he's superior to everyone else?

I saw none of this concern when Scott Walker was recalled, but that was a good thing, because he was a republican.

In your anger I don't think you read the posts. Go back and reread them bc it looks like you didn't.

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 12:14 PM

In your anger I don't think you read the posts. Go back and reread them bc it looks like you didn't.

not angry, thanks.

you’re right i didn’t read the whole thread. i kind of stopped when wdmso defended the white woman who wore a black monkey mask
and threw eggs at elder and shoved the elderly people he was walking with.

when i need lectures on character from the only person in the world who still calls people
retard ( and insists it was ok), i’ll let you know, but thanks.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 12:25 PM

not angry, thanks.

you’re right i didn’t read the whole thread. i kind of stopped when wdmso defended the white woman who wore a black monkey mask
and threw eggs at elder and shoved the elderly people he was walking with.

when i need lectures on character from the only person in the world who still calls people
retard ( and insists it was ok), i’ll let you know, but thanks.
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You know I did it because you claim Republicans are such great people yet they all got hard-ons when Trump made fun of the handicapped reporter.

It's funny how you ran away for months and now you're back spewing your anger yet you had the nerve to mock someone else because you thought that they had done that previously even though you were asked r a few times to leave them alone. You agreed to stop but did it again anyways. I guess you just can't help yourself.

Do you know notice how this forum turns into a #^&#^&#^&#^&show when you post?
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Pete F.

09-15-2021, 12:45 PM

Too bad Gavin Newsom couldn’t send the $276,000,000 bill for this recall election to the Republican Party.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 12:52 PM

The number of signatures needed for recall and the format of the questions were stupid.
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spence

09-15-2021, 01:05 PM

All the libs everywhere are saying this was just a partisan hit job against the election process. Haven't heard anyone say what they mean. Did Elder forge signatures on the recall petition? He he get dead people to vote?
I'd say publishing baseless claims that the election was rigged is pretty blatant. Trump was right there with him.

Or did he have the chutzpah to challenge a very prominent democrat, one in charge of a state that's a hot mess, that people are fleeing from, that ordered his citizenry to stay home while he went out for lavish dinners, because he's superior to everyone else?
You keep harping on your exodus theory and it's just a half baked talking point that isn't really true. 2020 was the first year the population didn't grow in 120 years. Much of the small drop that did occur was covid related.

The dinner thing was definitely a bad move. The recall might not have happened without the negative PR.

I saw none of this concern when Scott Walker was recalled, but that was a good thing, because he was a republican.
The situations are completely different.

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 01:05 PM

The number of signatures needed for recall and the format of the questions were stupid.
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who determines the number of signatures needed for recall? i’m guessing Larry Elder doesn’t make that decision, obviously it’s california law. the california state legislature, which I’ll bet is controlled by democrats, must write that law. but somehow this is all Larry Elders fault.
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 01:07 PM

The situations are completely different.

right. you wanted one recall to work, so that was ok.

you didn’t want the other recall to succeed, therefore it couldn’t possibly be legitimate.

Flawless logic.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 01:26 PM

who determines the number of signatures needed for recall? i’m guessing Larry Elder doesn’t make that decision, obviously it’s california law. the california state legislature, which I’ll bet is controlled by democrats, must write that law. but somehow this is all Larry Elders fault.
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I believe it's less than 15% of the people who voted in the last governor election.
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 02:16 PM

I believe it's less than 15% of the people who voted in the last governor election.
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Again, that's not Larry Elder's fault,. It's the legislature's fault. Which party controls the California state legislature?

I doubt the GOP is responsible for that recall threshold, which seems stupidly low. I don't like recalls at all, and I didn't like this one. That's what scheduled elections are for.

But if I was governor of a state where a mere 15% of the voters could trigger a recall, I hope I'd be smarter than telling my constituents they had to stay inside for a year while I went out and enjoyed fabulously lavish dinners with the swells. If you do everything you can to present yourself as a czar, you're going to have to deal with people not appreciating it.

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 02:21 PM

You keep harping on your exodus theory and it's just a half baked talking point that isn't really true. 2020 was the first year the population didn't grow in 120 years. Much of the small drop that did occur was covid related.

T.

The state of California lost a congressional seat for the first time ever after the 2020 census.

But it's just a partisan theory.

https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-government-and-politics-california-dd4a4f3ce3070231b0aecdc1cac3e97b

Pete F.

09-15-2021, 02:25 PM

If you put the words beat apolitical problem solvers in a room, and asked them the best ways to endure we ruin integrity, every single one of them would say voter id and voting in person if possible. I can only think of one possible reason why anyone would oppose this, they want it to be easier to cheat. There’s no other possible reason.
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You certainly are enduring in your attempts to enable people who ruin integrity.

It’s interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want yet more laws to prevent voter fraud, which has been proven time after time to be statistically insignificant and has not been shown by any evidence to have affected any election in this country.

One could question if what is happening here is Consciousness of Guilt on your part.

It is important to protect the integrity of our elections. But we must be careful not to undermine free and fair access to the ballot in the name of preventing phantom voter fraud.

Politicians at all levels of government have repeatedly, and falsely, claimed the 2016, 2018, and 2020 elections were marred by large numbers of people voting illegally. However, extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare, voter impersonation is virtually nonexistent, and many instances of alleged fraud are, in fact, mistakes by voters or administrators. The same is true for mail ballots, which are secure and essential to holding a safe election amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The Brennan Center’s seminal report The Truth About Voter Fraud conclusively demonstrated that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless and that most of the few remaining allegations reveal irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Numerous other studies, including one commissioned by the Trump administration, have reached the same conclusion.

Voter fraud is unacceptable, but we must find solutions that address actual problems instead of imposing policies that make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in our democracy.

But enabling more Americans to be voters is not your goal.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 02:31 PM

Again, that's not Larry Elder's fault,. It's the legislature's fault. Which party controls the California state legislature?

I doubt the GOP is responsible for that recall threshold, which seems stupidly low. I don't like recalls at all, and I didn't like this one. That's what scheduled elections are for.

But if I was governor of a state where a mere 15% of the voters could trigger a recall, I hope I'd be smarter than telling my constituents they had to stay inside for a year while I went out and enjoyed fabulously lavish dinners with the swells. If you do everything you can to present yourself as a czar, you're going to have to deal with people not appreciating it.

It's actually 12%. Wisc. is 25%. Not Elders fault. Just too low.

spence

09-15-2021, 03:07 PM

The state of California lost a congressional seat for the first time ever after the 2020 census.

But it's just a partisan theory.

https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-government-and-politics-california-dd4a4f3ce3070231b0aecdc1cac3e97b
Big deal, it's a blip and mostly due to covid.

PaulS

09-15-2021, 03:12 PM

Calif. has housing problems. The people moving out make less than the people moving in. There is no room to add housing stock in SF which keeps housing costs high.

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 03:17 PM

Calif. has housing problems. The people moving out make less than the people moving in. There is no room to add housing stock in SF which keeps housing costs high.

you left out a few things, which i’m sure had nothing to do with politics. , it has crime, homelessness, san francisco which basically consists of tech millionaires and everyone else shooting up and pooping in the street, and it has very very high taxes. people are concluding the cost isn’t worth it.
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 03:17 PM

Big deal, it's a blip and mostly due to covid.

the states these people are moving to, don’t have covid? which states are those?

you crack me up.

“the pathology of ideological
possession”- when you don’t merely agree with an ideology, but rather you are slaves by it, and there’s nothing you won’t say to defend it, no matter how stupid.

it’s because of covid. the AP says it started in 2017, so those people
had a covid crystal ball i guess!
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 03:20 PM

Calif. has housing problems. The people moving out make less than the people moving in. There is no room to add housing stock in SF which keeps housing costs high.

well spence said it wasn’t happening. then confronted with an AP article saying it was happening, immediately blamed it on covid. because the people fleeing California, found a state to move to, where covid doesn’t exist.
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spence

09-15-2021, 03:42 PM

well spence said it wasn’t happening. then confronted with an AP article saying it was happening, immediately blamed it on covid. because the people fleeing California, found a state to move to, where covid doesn’t exist.
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California has a massive population and about 25% of the population lost was due to Covid deaths. People haven't been able to move to CA because of Covid and immigration is way down because of Covid. Sure, some leave because of the high cost of living but it's not the main factor.

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 03:58 PM

California has a massive population and about 25% of the population lost was due to Covid deaths. People haven't been able to move to CA because of Covid and immigration is way down because of Covid. Sure, some leave because of the high cost of living but it's not the main factor.

Well if every state lost the same % of people, there’s be no loss of a congressional seat.

So you’re saying that the population drop is because CA has a meaningfully higher death rate than other states. But that isn’t a reflection of the job that the governor is doing.

Better and better.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 03:59 PM

you left out a few things, which i’m sure had nothing to do with politics. , it has crime, homelessness, san francisco which basically consists of tech millionaires and everyone else shooting up and pooping in the street, and it has very very high taxes. people are concluding the cost isn’t worth it.
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The people moving don't State their moving because of crime or a few people pooping in San Francisco. The ones moving are lower educated poorer folks who can't afford California. The people moving into California make more money an are more highly educated. Lower immigration from other countries has her California also.
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 03:59 PM

People haven't been able to move to CA because of Covid .

But the AP said the trend started i. 2017. Covid was a big deal in CA in 2017, then?
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detbuch

09-15-2021, 03:59 PM

It’s interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want yet more laws to prevent voter fraud, which has been proven time after time to be statistically insignificant and has not been shown by any evidence to have affected any election in this country.

However, extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare, voter impersonation is virtually nonexistent, and many instances of alleged fraud are, in fact, mistakes by voters or administrators. The same is true for mail ballots, which are secure and essential to holding a safe election amid the coronavirus pandemic.

What you say is not true. There have been many instances of voter fraud in the U.S. And some elections were overturned because the fraud was detected. And in close elections, even small amounts of fraud can affect the outcome:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/voter-fraud-has-swung-election-outcomes-but-narrative-obsessed-media-can-t-admit-it/ar-BB1fp9TP

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/heritage-explains/voter-fraud

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 04:06 PM

The people moving don't State their moving because of crime or a few people pooping in San Francisco. The ones moving are lower educated poorer folks who can't afford California. The people moving into California make more money an are more highly educated. Lower immigration from other countries has her California also.
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so you found a source which states people claimed they were living for the reason you stated, but didn’t claim and if the reasons i stated. that’s what you’re saying?

google “why are people
leaving california.”.
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spence

09-15-2021, 04:06 PM

But the AP said the trend started i. 2017. Covid was a big deal in CA in 2017, then?
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No cycle is linear. You sure you work as an actuarial?

I'm serious about this.

PaulS

09-15-2021, 04:09 PM

so you found a source which states people claimed they were living for the reason you stated, but didn’t claim and if the reasons i stated. that’s what you’re saying?

google “why are people
leaving california.”.
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Yeah exactly right
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 04:10 PM

spence

09-15-2021, 04:12 PM

Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 04:15 PM

Complete twist.

i’m too old and fat to twist like you guys.

read what he said, please, and if it’s confusing to you, have a child explain it.

there’s nothing anti conservative about taking obvious, basic steps to ensure voting integrity.
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spence

09-15-2021, 04:21 PM

i’m too old and fat to twist like you guys.

read what he said, please, and if it’s confusing to you, have a child explain it.

there’s nothing anti conservative about taking obvious, basic steps to ensure voting integrity.
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When the voting system has no signs of a significant lack of integrity, it make no sense to pass laws that restrict voting. This is entirely opposite of any Conservative position I'm aware of. Groups calling out Biden trying to create a Monarchy are a joke. If anything the electorate should be concerned about the massive gerrymandering now underway in red states.

Let's keep our elections free and fair.

wdmso

09-15-2021, 04:24 PM

massive gerrymandering now underway in red states. The only way Republicans can win elections in the modern era …. Cheat while blaming others of cheating
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 04:28 PM

massive gerrymandering now underway in red states. The only way Republicans can win elections in the modern era …. Cheat while blaming others of cheating
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which his what the democrats do as well, did it in CT when they redefined the one rural district that occasionally went red, redrew the lines so it now includes enough urban areas to be solidly blue. shady, but both sides do it.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 04:50 PM

scottw

09-15-2021, 04:57 PM

Both sides do it but the Republicans have perfected it and do it to a much more extreme basis.

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Good grief
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 04:59 PM

Both sides do it but the Republicans have perfected it and do it to a much more extreme basis. New York is going to lose one seat but may gerrymander 5 Republican seats out.
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you have anything to support that? that’s a sincere question, not a gotcha question.
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 05:07 PM

When the voting system has no signs of a significant lack of integrity, it make no sense to pass laws that restrict voting. This is entirely opposite of any Conservative position I'm aware of. Groups calling out Biden trying to create a Monarchy are a joke. If anything the electorate should be concerned about the massive gerrymandering now underway in red states.

Let's keep our elections free and fair.

you’re saying there’s no problem, so no need for voter id.

that would be a great argument if there weren’t hundreds is aspects in your life where you are proactive already.

you wait until you’ve had a car accident to get auto insurance?

you wait until your house gets broken into before you get an alarm?

please explain why it’s more burdensome to require an id to vote, than it is to require an us to see a doctor or pick up a prescription.

Who are these massive groups of people who don’t have an id? they don’t travel, pay rent or a mortgage, go to the doctor, have utilities to pay, etc?

it’s such a lame argument.
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PaulS

09-15-2021, 05:22 PM

you have anything to support that? that’s a sincere question, not a gotcha question.
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They've developed and used software that can map likelihood of votes down to each house.
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Jim in CT

09-15-2021, 05:23 PM

They've developed and used software that can map likelihood of votes down to each house.
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republicans did that? wow.

now can you provide data to suggest gerrymandering is done more by the gop?

i guess since the gop controls
more states, that gives the gop more opportunities.
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wdmso

09-15-2021, 06:50 PM

which his what the democrats do as well, did it in CT when they redefined the one rural district that occasionally went red, redrew the lines so it now includes enough urban areas to be solidly blue. shady, but both sides do it.
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Once again Jim you love to make comparisons that don’t exist..

If you think Dems use gerrymandering to the degree and intent the Republicans do it your crazy
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wdmso

09-15-2021, 07:09 PM

https://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/

The AP scrutinized the outcomes of all 435 U.S. House races and about 4,700 state House and Assembly seats up for election last year using a new statistical method of calculating partisan advantage. It’s designed to detect cases in which one party may have won, widened or retained its grip on power through political gerrymandering.

The analysis found four times as many states with Republican-skewed state House or Assembly districts than Democratic ones. Among the two dozen most populated states that determine the vast majority of Congress, there were nearly three times as many with Republican-tilted U.S. House districts.

A separate statistical analysis conducted for AP by the Princeton University Gerrymandering Project found that the extreme Republican advantages in some states were no fluke. The Republican edge in Michigan’s state House districts had only a 1-in-16,000 probability of occurring by chance; in Wisconsin’s Assembly districts, there was a mere 1-in-60,000 likelihood of it happening randomly, the analysis found.

The AP analysis also found that Republicans won as many as 22 additional U.S. House seats over what would have been expected based on the average vote share in congressional districts across the country.

1. Republicans’ gerrymandering increases seat share by 9.1%. Over 20 years For Democrats, the study found no significant overall increase in congressional seat share when the party controlled redistricting. Democrats having legal control over redistricting does little to swing the seat share in their favor—or to correct the disproportionality drawn by Republicans. Conservatives use the redistricting pen to draw maps advantageous to their electoral chances—and they do so enthusiastically, netting partisan benefits that last for a decades worth of elections.
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Pete F.

09-15-2021, 07:52 PM

Pete - “it’s interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want more laws to prevent voter fraud.”.

where the heck did you get the laughably stupid idea, that being conservative means you don’t support any conceivable law?
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Let’s see, where don’t we need more
We have enough gun laws, most firearms deaths in the first world
We have enough tax laws……
We have enough environmental laws…..
……,,,,,,,
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The Dad Fisherman

09-15-2021, 08:10 PM

you’re saying there’s no problem, so no need for voter id.

that would be a great argument if there weren’t hundreds is aspects in your life where you are proactive already.

you wait until you’ve had a car accident to get auto insurance?

you wait until your house gets broken into before you get an alarm?

please explain why it’s more burdensome to require an id to vote, than it is to require an us to see a doctor or pick up a prescription.

Who are these massive groups of people who don’t have an id? they don’t travel, pay rent or a mortgage, go to the doctor, have utilities to pay, etc?

it’s such a lame argument.
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Maybe they should have mailed out a voucher good for the cost of an ID at your local town offices/DMV with the Stimmy checks. :huh:
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Pete F.

09-15-2021, 08:21 PM

You’re assuming that all people in this country have access to health care, transportation and a polling place that is open outside the hours they are required to be at work or financially able to take time off work to go and vote.
How long did people in low income districts stand in line to vote and how does that compare to middle and upper class districts?
Careful, the data exists
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scottw

09-15-2021, 08:43 PM

oh no....it's a parade of armed insurrectionists and black white supremacists....what has the world come to?

https://twitter.com/LeeroyPress/status/1437557436777385985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1437557436777385985%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Famgreatness.com%2F2021%2F09% 2F14%2Fhundreds-of-new-york-teachers-chant-f-k-joe-biden-during-protest-against-vaccine-mandates%2F

scottw

09-15-2021, 08:45 PM

You’re assuming that all people in this country have access to health care, transportation and a polling place

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they do

scottw

09-15-2021, 08:46 PM

Maybe they should have mailed out a voucher good for the cost of an ID at your local town offices/DMV with the Stimmy checks. :huh:
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maybe do a million dollar drawing or free college tuition drawing to incentivize people to get a form of identification...or maybe just free Big Gulps

wdmso

09-16-2021, 07:10 AM

Please look up the History of voter Id .. then come back and tell me why is suddenly became a concern for conservatives only starting in the 1950s .. and I doubt you’ll find the term voter fraud or election integrity mentioned never mind evidence of fraud as the cause for these changes .. but demographics and who’s votes. Now your getting to the bones of the issue. . But some how the the left are the intellectual dishonest ones.. 😂
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wdmso

09-16-2021, 07:13 AM

Careful, the data exists
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Facts and data are no concern of conservatives

But lies and conspiracy then you have their attention
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scottw

09-16-2021, 07:49 AM

Facts and data are no concern of conservatives

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this is definitely true :rotf2:

Pete F.

09-16-2021, 08:18 AM

Facts and data are no concern of conservatives

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this is definitely true :rotf2:

A little of the typical troll method: creative editing

Covid past seven days:rtfm:

Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 1.8
Daily average deaths: 53.7

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.52
Daily average deaths: 325.4

Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.42
Daily average deaths: 66

Arkansas
Deaths per 100,000: 1.07
Daily average deaths: 32.3

South Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 1.05
Daily average deaths: 53.9

Texas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.99
Daily average deaths: 286

Wyoming
Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
Daily average deaths: 5.6

West Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.88
Daily average deaths: 15.7

Alabama
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 42.6

Georgia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 93.1

Tennessee
Deaths per 100,000: 0.85
Daily average deaths: 58.3

Idaho
Deaths per 100,000: 0.77
Daily average deaths: 13.7

Missouri
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 45.9

Oklahoma
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 29.6

Nevada
Deaths per 100,000: 0.74
Daily average deaths: 22.7

scottw

09-16-2021, 08:39 AM

A little of the typical troll method: creative editing

Covid past seven days:rtfm:

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.52
Daily average deaths: 325.4

past 7 days?

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 08:43 AM

Facts and data are no concern of conservatives

But lies and conspiracy then you have their attention
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do you judge a state on how it did last month? or how it’s done since the beginning?

Are you guys serious?
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 08:46 AM

A little of the typical troll method: creative editing

Covid past seven days:rtfm:

Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 1.8
Daily average deaths: 53.7

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.52
Daily average deaths: 325.4

Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.42
Daily average deaths: 66

Arkansas
Deaths per 100,000: 1.07
Daily average deaths: 32.3

South Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 1.05
Daily average deaths: 53.9

Texas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.99
Daily average deaths: 286

Wyoming
Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
Daily average deaths: 5.6

West Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.88
Daily average deaths: 15.7

Alabama
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 42.6

Georgia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.87
Daily average deaths: 93.1

Tennessee
Deaths per 100,000: 0.85
Daily average deaths: 58.3

Idaho
Deaths per 100,000: 0.77
Daily average deaths: 13.7

Missouri
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 45.9

Oklahoma
Deaths per 100,000: 0.75
Daily average deaths: 29.6

Nevada
Deaths per 100,000: 0.74
Daily average deaths: 22.7

simple question. what’s more important, deaths in the last 7 days, or deaths since the beginning?

Who makes the baseball playoffs, the team with the best record in September? Or the team with the best record for the whole season?

Your brain just doesn’t work right.

Florida is having an awful
time lately. Their total
numbers are still
way better than CT, MA, and NY, which we were told
was led by the messiah himself, the “gold standard” according to biden.
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 09:10 AM

Oh my god, I just saw that Apple stick is down for the week. Using the lefty logic here, that means it’s a crappy company with crappy leadership. Because as everyone knows, all that matters s what happened last week. Nothing that happened before last week, means anything.

That just makes ALL KINDS of sense.
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wdmso

09-16-2021, 09:24 AM

do you judge a state on how it did last month? or how it’s done since the beginning?

Are you guys serious?
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Jim my statement is not state or Covid related it’s just what conservatives do on every topic . Lean towards lies and conspiracy rather than facts and Truth

Thats why still over 75% of Republicans still think Trump won!

And that’s not based on facts or Truth ..
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scottw

09-16-2021, 09:27 AM

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 09:34 AM

Jim my statement is not state or Covid related it’s just what conservatives do on every topic . Lean towards lies and conspiracy rather than facts and Truth

Thats why still over 75% of Republicans still think Trump won!

And that’s not based on facts or Truth ..
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nonsense. i literally analyze data for a living and it’s a huge influence for how i form conclusions.

I can say the same thing about liberals. liberals blame the gop for the fact that not everyone is vaccinated, yet two groups with low vaccination rates are blacks and people with PhDs. Those are not groups who take orders from the GOP in large numbers, are they?

In politics, plenty of people
on both sides ignore facts that are politically inconvenient for them.

The side that denies we have a porous southern border, which thinks that ones sex is whatever they say that it is, that unborn babies with heartbeats and neurological activity are nothing more than an inanimate mile to be removed, which thinks that fewer police is the key to improving cities, which denies that nuclear families are critically important…doesn’t have a monopoly on relying in facts.

Neither does the side that says Trump won, which denies anything is happening with our climate, which insists that masks and the vaccine don’t ever provide any benefit.

When you ignore every instance in which liberalism ignores facts, it’s pretty easy to conclude that they never do so. That doesn’t make it a true statement. It serves your personal agenda, but it’s a stupid thing to say.

The liberals here, are desperately trying to say Florida should be judged only on the covid deaths last week. Please tell me how that is an accurate depiction of facts or truth?

You won’t respond, because you can’t without criticizing the left.
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Pete F.

09-16-2021, 10:01 AM

simple question. what’s more important, deaths in the last 7 days, or deaths since the beginning?

Who makes the baseball playoffs, the team with the best record in September? Or the team with the best record for the whole season?

Your brain just doesn’t work right.

Florida is having an awful
time lately. Their total
numbers are still
way better than CT, MA, and NY, which we were told
was led by the messiah himself, the “gold standard” according to biden.
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You seem to believe that learning from experience is unimportant and that because the states with early outbreaks, when we had little experience dealing with COVID, that did things to reduce exposure so that they are not now dealing with the surges that the leaders in current COVID are is bad.
You could to move to Floriduh, maybe you could keep it from turning blue.
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 10:32 AM

You seem to believe that learning from experience is unimportant and that because the states with early outbreaks, when we had little experience dealing with COVID, that did things to reduce exposure so that they are not now dealing with the surges that the leaders in current COVID are is bad.
You could to move to Floriduh, maybe you could keep it from turning blue.
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i did not say the data from last week is unimportant. I said it’s not nearly as important as total
death rates.

You are the one saying total death rates are unimportant.

Of course, you completely ignore that part of NYs awful numbers are because the governor ( who everyone in the left said was doing a great job) forced nursing homes to admit people with a disease we knew was going to be brutal to the elderly. we knew that then, yet Cuomo ordered it anyway, and after he did that, and after people
we’re needlessly dying by the thousands, your side still
said he was the greatest.

That’s the difference between us, If Florida’s numbers catch up with NY, I will say Desantis did an awful job. But until he got in trouble for sexual harassment, no one in the left was saying Cuomo did an awful
job. Sure as hell you never said that.

Because to all of you except Rockhound, truth takes a back seat to partisanship. Always
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wdmso

09-16-2021, 10:34 AM

it's amusing that you've convinced yourself of this....

About as amusing that you think trump won? :kewl:

wdmso

09-16-2021, 10:43 AM

nonsense. i literally analyze data for a living and it’s a huge influence for how i form conclusions.

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Jim why do you think every response is about you? unless your part of the 75% of conservatives and republicans I was referring...

example

GOP Sen. Risch of Idaho Absurdly Demands Blinken Expose who has the the button to Turn Biden off

Just the most recent example of the GOP masquerading Conspiracy As Truth .. At Senate Hearing no less

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 10:54 AM

Jim why do you think every response is about you? unless your part of the 75% of conservatives and republicans I was referring...

example

GOP Sen. Risch of Idaho Absurdly Demands Blinken Expose who has the the button to Turn Biden off

Just the most recent example of the GOP masquerading Conspiracy As Truth .. At Senate Hearing no less

good point, not every response is all about me.

but all you do is ignore all the bad things the left does, and ignore all the good things the right does. it’s all any of you do.

why is it absurd to ask who is instructing Biden who he can speak to, and when he must stop talking? I’d like to know that.
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scottw

09-16-2021, 10:58 AM

About as amusing that you think trump won? :kewl:

I didn't even vote for him...ever...pretty sure I was the first to pay my money to the charity in the wager we had going on here immediately following the election

Pete F.

09-16-2021, 11:07 AM

:want:i did not say the data from last week is unimportant. I said it’s not nearly as important as total
death rates.

You are the one saying total death rates are unimportant.
No, I said learning is more important, but that doesn't fit your narrative.

Of course, you completely ignore that part of NYs awful numbers are because the governor ( who everyone in the left said was doing a great job) forced nursing homes to admit people with a disease we knew was going to be brutal to the elderly. we knew that then, yet Cuomo ordered it anyway, and after he did that, and after people
we’re needlessly dying by the thousands, your side still
said he was the greatest. You are perfectly willing to accept the Lardfather's transgressions, but obsess over any transgression of anyone you oppose. You're sort of like Lardfather's comment about Nikki Haley "Every time she criticizes me, she uncriticizes me about 15 minutes later"

That’s the difference between us, If Florida’s numbers catch up with NY, I will say Desantis did an awful job. But until he got in trouble for sexual harassment, no one in the left was saying Cuomo did an awful
job. Sure as hell you never said that.

Because to all of you except Rockhound, truth takes a back seat to partisanship. Always
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In 2018, Ron DeSantis won by: 32,000

Currently, Florida's COVID deaths: 49,000

:want:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bix44C1EzY

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 12:54 PM

Jim why do you think every response is about you? unless your part of the 75% of conservatives and republicans I was referring...

example

GOP Sen. Risch of Idaho Absurdly Demands Blinken Expose who has the the button to Turn Biden off

Just the most recent example of the GOP masquerading Conspiracy As Truth .. At Senate Hearing no less

last night ,CNN host don lemon said we should
shun the unvaccinated, leave them
behind, and that the unvaccinated are stupid people who followed trump.

except huge. umbers if blacks and people with PhDs. aren’t vaccinated.

there’s a lefty defying facts for political convenience, which you said only republicans do.
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RIROCKHOUND

09-16-2021, 01:03 PM

last night ,CNN host don lemon said we should
shun the unvaccinated, leave them
behind, and that the unvaccinated are stupid people who followed trump.

except huge. umbers if blacks and people with PhDs. aren’t vaccinated.

there’s a lefty defying facts for political convenience, which you said only republicans do.
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I'm flat out and don't have a lot of time to argue on here right now, so basically hit and run... but the PhD thing stuck out with me, as I have one, and am vaccinated...

This was an interesting take on the article, that the number (24% PhD not vaccinated) may not all its cracked up to be.... Not saying it is wrong, but how the number was gleaned was not super reliable it seems...

https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 01:14 PM

I'm flat out and don't have a lot of time to argue on here right now, so basically hit and run... but the PhD thing stuck out with me, as I have one, and am vaccinated...

This was an interesting take on the article, that the number (24% PhD not vaccinated) may not all its cracked up to be.... Not saying it is wrong, but how the number was gleaned was not super reliable it seems...

https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/

come on, no one is saying they’re all unvaccinated,,or that those who are, say anything about you.

how about the black number, also a right wing myth?
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 01:21 PM

I'm flat out and don't have a lot of time to argue on here right now, so basically hit and run... but the PhD thing stuck out with me, as I have one, and am vaccinated...

This was an interesting take on the article, that the number (24% PhD not vaccinated) may not all its cracked up to be.... Not saying it is wrong, but how the number was gleaned was not super reliable it seems...

https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/

do you think people who have had covid, and therefore have natural antibodies, should be forced to get the vaccine? that’s a tough one for me. would genuinely like to know what you think.
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Got Stripers

09-16-2021, 01:46 PM

come on, no one is saying they’re all unvaccinated,,or that those who are, say anything about you.

how about the black number, also a right wing myth?
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And just where did a lot of blacks get this distrust for government, hmmmmm could it have anything to do with how they have been used and abused by the government in the past, I’m sure there is a pretty good mix of democratic and republican blacks who still have old memories that impact decisions on vaccination.
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RIROCKHOUND

09-16-2021, 01:48 PM

do you think people who have had covid, and therefore have natural antibodies, should be forced to get the vaccine? that’s a tough one for me. would genuinely like to know what you think.
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If they still have confirmed antibodies, no, BUT how long that lasts is unclear and they would likely benefit from the vax in most cases.

Of course to your other post it isn't all or nothing, but one poll saying it is 24% may or may not be indicative that is all I am saying.
The hesitancy among African Americans and as a whole poorer Americans is unfortunate. How much is fear, how much is worry of potential costs etc.. is all unfortunate. I said it earlier, there are multiple reasons why different groups are not getting vaccinated. Clearly it is not all GOP/Trump related, but it also can't all be African Americans and PhD's in the sun belt states keeping the rates low there.

Back to work, have fun guys and be nice...

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 02:12 PM

If they still have confirmed antibodies, no, BUT how long that lasts is unclear and they would likely benefit from the vax in most cases.

Of course to your other post it isn't all or nothing, but one poll saying it is 24% may or may not be indicative that is all I am saying.
The hesitancy among African Americans and as a whole poorer Americans is unfortunate. How much is fear, how much is worry of potential costs etc.. is all unfortunate. I said it earlier, there are multiple reasons why different groups are not getting vaccinated. Clearly it is not all GOP/Trump related, but it also can't all be African Americans and PhD's in the sun belt states keeping the rates low there.

Back to work, have fun guys and be nice...

i here you, that number of unvaccinated phds may be wrong. my point was, it’s not just trump fanatics who are i vaccinated. Trump is pushing for the vaccine.

So when a CNN prime time host says only Trumpkicans are preventing us from being fully vaccinated, it would
be nice is one of the lefties here could just say “he shouldn’t be saying that.”.

If the vaccination rate is low among blacks, it’s much more likely to be because ok Kamala Harris explicitly saying she wouldn’t take it if Trump suggested it. She’s more popular with blacks than Trump, and she’s the one, not Trump, who was skeptical.

Thanks for responding, i do appreciate it.
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 02:16 PM

If they still have confirmed antibodies, no, BUT how long that lasts is unclear and they would likely benefit from the vax in most cases.

Of course to your other post it isn't all or nothing, but one poll saying it is 24% may or may not be indicative that is all I am saying.
The hesitancy among African Americans and as a whole poorer Americans is unfortunate. How much is fear, how much is worry of potential costs etc.. is all unfortunate. I said it earlier, there are multiple reasons why different groups are not getting vaccinated. Clearly it is not all GOP/Trump related, but it also can't all be African Americans and PhD's in the sun belt states keeping the rates low there.

Back to work, have fun guys and be nice...

i completely agree most people who have have covid, would
see some benefit from the vaccine. i just don’t know that they should be forced to take it.

I also don’t see a 100% vaccination rate as being any kind of end
game. We’re seeing tons of positive test results at universities that have 99% vaccination rates.

The disease probably isn’t going away, much more likely it hangs around like the flu. we need to accept that and get back to living.
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wdmso

09-16-2021, 02:19 PM

last night ,CNN host don lemon said we should
shun the unvaccinated, leave them
behind, and that the unvaccinated are stupid people who followed trump.

except huge. umbers if blacks and people with PhDs. aren’t vaccinated.

there’s a lefty defying facts for political convenience, which you said only republicans do.
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Once again you bring up blacks who Republicans out number 2 to 1 in this country.. and comparing the 2 vaccine non vaccinated rates as some how the same ?
Just so happens I saw that segment and his suggestion was leave all the unvaccinated behind. And that included blacks who hesitation is historical And Trump supporters it’s just political.. huge differences
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Pete F.

09-16-2021, 02:21 PM

A new national survey by Pew Research Center, conducted from Aug. 23 to 29 among 10,348 U.S. adults, prior to President Joe Biden’s announcement of COVID-19 vaccine mandates for employers, finds that 73% of those ages 18 and older say they’ve received at least one dose of a vaccine for COVID-19, with the vast majority of this group saying they have received all the shots they need to be fully vaccinated. About a quarter of adults (26%) say they have not received a vaccine.

Vaccination rates vary significantly across demographic groups, with smaller majorities of younger adults, those with lower family incomes and those living in rural areas saying they’ve received a COVID-19 vaccine. No more than six-in-ten of those without health insurance and White evangelical Protestants say they’ve been vaccinated (57% each). Notably, Black adults are now about as likely as White adults to say they’ve received a vaccine. Earlier in the outbreak, Black adults were less likely than White adults to say they planned to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Partisan affiliation remains one of the widest differences in vaccination status: 86% of Democrats and independents who lean toward the Democratic Party have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 60% of Republicans and Republican leaners.

Americans express a range of sometimes cross-pressured sentiments toward vaccines. Overall, 73% say the statement “vaccines are the best way to protect Americans from COVID-19” describes their views very or somewhat well; 60% say their views are described at least somewhat well by the statement “people who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine are hurting the country.”

At the same time, 51% of the public says that the phrase “there’s too much pressure on Americans to get a COVID-19 vaccine” describes their own views very or somewhat well. And 61% say the same about the statement “we don’t really know yet if there are serious health risks from COVID-19 vaccines.”

Vaccinated adults and those who have not received a vaccine differ widely in their views of vaccines – as well as other elements of the broader coronavirus outbreak. For instance, 77% of vaccinated adults say the statement “people who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine are hurting the country” describes them at least somewhat well. By contrast, 88% of those who have not received a vaccine say that “there’s too much pressure on Americans to get a COVID-19 vaccine” describes their own views very or somewhat well.

wdmso

09-16-2021, 02:22 PM

good point, not every response is all about me.

but all you do is ignore all the bad things the left does, and ignore all the good things the right does. it’s all any of you do.

why is it absurd to ask who is instructing Biden who he can speak to, and when he must stop talking? I’d like to know that.
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So you believe the conspiracy of the mute button. Lol
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Pete F.

09-16-2021, 02:25 PM

That's what he sees on the TV

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 02:30 PM

So you believe the conspiracy of the mute button. Lol
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i believe what i saw, when biden says “i was instructed to call on”
a friendly reporter, and when he said “they told me not to take any more questions.”

you deny he said those things regarding afghanistan recently? i’m curious to know who, exactly, gives these orders to the president. and why does he need o be given that kind of direction? john r mentioned it, nobody questioned him.

LOL.

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wdmso

09-16-2021, 02:30 PM

wdmso

09-16-2021, 02:45 PM

i believe what i saw, when biden says “i was instructed to call on”
a friendly reporter, and when he said “they told me not to take any more questions.”

you deny he said those things regarding afghanistan recently? i’m curious to know who, exactly, gives these orders to the president. and why does he need o be given that kind of direction? john r mentioned it, nobody questioned him.

LOL.

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Wow you are really out in left field.. is this your 1st time hearing about advising the POTUS . And they have a schedule to maintain? Not just play golf . did you also miss the 4 star general that needed to call and inform his counterpart the us was stable.. due to Trumps denialism of the outcome of the election .. now that’s a handler ! or was your dedication to Trump so complete . You think his staff never gave suggestions or told him what to do? And why he should do it , . or don’t think Trump was just handed the agenda or any paper and told sign here ! With zero clue what he was signing …. Ya ok
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 02:47 PM

Analysis | Republicans keep hiding behind White Democrats to shift vaccine hesitancy blame onto Black Americans
Aug 24, 2021 — Yes, vaccination rates are lower among Blacks — but they're almost certainly lower still among White ... Washington post
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"they're almost certainly lower still among White"

So instead of looking at he data to see for sure, you post am uncited quote making an unsupported generalization.

According to way left-leaning folks at Vox, who posted the definitive study through July, "At the start of July, the vaccination rate was about 15 percent lower for Black people than for white people in the US,"

Can you grasp hat that means? Or would you like me to see if I can send it to you in a pop-up book?

There's an actual, published study in this article, data from the right-wing racist nuts at the CDC...

https://www.vox.com/22587443/covid-19-vaccine-refusal-hesitancy-variant-delta-cases-rate

How dare you claim that Republicans deny truth and facts? Where do you get the nerve to do that? How can you deny that's exactly what you did here?

Here's an article from left-leaning Yahoo in August...

"In the United States, black people have the lowest vaccination rates of any racial or ethnic group"

https://news.yahoo.com/black-people-low-vaccination-rates-150200517.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Those words in the bold font just above? They prove I'm right, and you're either wrong or a lying partisan. Which is it?

The CDC, Yahoo, and Vox say vaccination rates are low for blacks. But some guy at the Post says the earth is flat, and by jiminy, that's good enough for you, isn't it.

We have zero need to speculate on what a moron at the Post thinks is "almost certainly" true. We don't need to speculate, we have the data. Which you chose to pretend didn't exist.

You are the only person I've heard deny this/ Everyone else is wrong, the CDC is wrong, Yahoo is wrong, Yahoo is wrong...and you are right. You know better than all of them

Maybe you should stop listening to whoever at the Post said that, because they were playing you for a sucker.

Pete F.

09-16-2021, 02:49 PM

There are about thirty people working in the White House Press Office
Some people think that all that needs to happen is have the Chief Executive speak off the cuff to whoever he wants and whatever happens is fine.
The last bozo did just that, was caught in blatant lie after lie and nobody (except Jim) took his word.
The last administration had press secretaries who never held a press conference ever.
They quite consistently had their statements contradicted by the totally unscripted leader of the administration.
Impressive way to run a organization.

The MAGA crowd currently insisting General Milley committed treason should understand they're calling attention to the fact that everyone around their insane orange God king in the last months of his presidency thought he was completely insane and a danger to the country.

That's a little more than a mute button, isn't it?
Or maybe they should have just let his 1/15 Afghanistan withdrawal order stand.

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 02:50 PM

Wow you are really out in left field.. is this your 1st time hearing about advising the POTUS . And they have a schedule to maintain? Not just play golf . did you also miss the 4 star general that needed to call and inform his counterpart the us was stable.. due to Trumps denialism of the outcome of the election .. now that’s a handler ! or was your dedication to Trump so complete . You think his staff never gave suggestions or told him what to do? And why he should do it , . or don’t think Trump was just handed the agenda or any paper and told sign here ! With zero clue what he was signing …. Ya ok
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again, you are denying truth. I am well aware that the president needs advisers.

He said "I was instructed to..."

He needs advisors for big, specific issues, for the military, for the economy, for crime, etc. Why does he need to be instructed (his words) which reporters he's allowed to call on?

You flushed your credibility here by suggesting the vaccination rates are "almost certainly" lower for whites, with absolutely zero data to back it up.

And as always, when you humiliated yourself, backed yourself into a corner from which there's no escape, you play the "but Trump" card.

If you can find a video where Trump said to Jim Acosta "I was instructed not to call on you". I will concede that Trump did it too.

What honest people suspect here, is that Biden needs to be coddled so that he doesn't go out there and soil himself, or start singing Ethel Merman tunes in response to a question.

"And they have a schedule to maintain?"

Nope. He mentioned who he was instructed to call on "first", which meant it was the beginning of the question-and-answer period.

Pete F.

09-16-2021, 02:56 PM

Comparable majorities of Black (70%) and White (72%) adults have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. Among Hispanic adults, 76% say they have received a vaccine, as do an overwhelming majority of English-speaking Asian adults (94%).

At earlier stages of the outbreak, Black adults had expressed significantly lower levels of intent to get a COVID-19 vaccine than White adults.

The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics.
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Pete F.

09-16-2021, 02:58 PM

Ahh, apparently all honest people agree.
Interesting theory
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 03:14 PM

Ahh, apparently all honest people agree.
Interesting theory
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All honest people don't agree on everything. But they all agree that as of now, vaccination rates are lower in the black community than in other races. There is no data to suggest otherwise (though you'll be happy to hear that recently, that trend is going away, since you only care about what happened last week). Your side hates to admit that, because even you, crazy and dishonest as you are, know that even you you can't blame black behavior on Trump.

wdmso

09-16-2021, 04:20 PM

again, you are denying truth. I am well aware that the president needs advisers.

He said "I was instructed to..." And again you fail on sarcasm

He needs advisors for big, specific issues, for the military, for the economy, for crime, etc. Why does he need to be instructed (his words) which reporters he's allowed to call on? See Above

You flushed your credibility here by suggesting the vaccination rates are "almost certainly" lower for whites, with absolutely zero data to back it up. go read the article I didn't write it

And as always, when you humiliated yourself, backed yourself into a corner from which there's no escape, you play the "but Trump" card.
your blind to trump's actions but observant with Joes

If you can find a video where Trump said to Jim Acosta "I was instructed not to call on you". I will concede that Trump did it too.

just inject Bleach I bet his staff wish they had a button after that

What honest people suspect here, is that Biden needs to be coddled so that he doesn't go out there and soil himself, or start singing Ethel Merman tunes in response to a question.

No Jim dishonest people who cant find anything else push Conspiracy theories AKA you

"And they have a schedule to maintain?"

Nope. He mentioned who he was instructed to call on "first", which meant it was the beginning of the question-and-answer period.

“Our hearts and minds are with the people being persecuted so unfairly relating to the January 6th protest concerning the Rigged Presidential Election,” Trump said in a statement. “In addition to everything else, it has proven conclusively that we are a two-tiered system of justice. In the end, however, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!”

But your worried about Biden Right now the danger to America are Republicans who would have ever such a thing would be True

Got Stripers

09-16-2021, 04:35 PM

Jim’s stuck it happens frequently, better to let the record just keep skipping until he gets stuck on something new.
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 04:36 PM

“Our hearts and minds are with the people being persecuted so unfairly relating to the January 6th protest concerning the Rigged Presidential Election,” Trump said in a statement. “In addition to everything else, it has proven conclusively that we are a two-tiered system of justice. In the end, however, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!”

But your worried about Biden Right now the danger to America are Republicans who would have ever such a thing would be True

"And again you fail on sarcasm"

OK. Did Biden say "I was instructed to call first on..."

The video shows he said that. So my question is, why. Why can't the most powerful man in the world, decide for himself who he's going to call on?

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 04:38 PM

Jim’s stuck it happens frequently, better to let the record just keep skipping until he gets stuck on something new.
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You're lobbing stupid baseless insults it happens frequently.

I'll ask you...

did Biden, or did he not, in a press conference, say "I was instructed to call first on..."

John R put that quote here, no one accused him of being 'lost'.

If Biden said that (and he did), why does he need that level of hand-holding? They don't trust him to decide on his own, which reporter can ask a question?

If it's rigged, and theres a planned reporter asking an agreed-upon question, isn't that worth knowing?

Got Stripers

09-16-2021, 04:49 PM

Soldier on Jim I choose not to participate in circular debates.

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 05:19 PM

Soldier on Jim I choose not to participate in circular debates.

so you chose to participate when participation was limited to lobbing vague, baseless insults. but when i asked you the key question we were discussing, and i asked for an answer to the question, THEN and only then, you choose not to participate. Then you get one pay dig in, calling it a circular debate, when it could not be any more linear.

It’s such an obvious question ( what’s wrong with wanting to know why a sitting president can’t be trusted by whoever his handlers are, to choose which reporter to call on first). waiting for an answer, isn’t circular logic. it’s straight-line linear.

but the topic makes your candidate look like he has dimentia, so suddenly you choose not to participate. my kids did the same thing until they were about 6.
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PaulS

09-16-2021, 05:49 PM

You're lobbing stupid baseless insults it happens frequently.

I'll ask you...

did Biden, or did he not, in a press conference, say "I was instructed to call first on..."

John R put that quote here, no one accused him of being 'lost'.

If Biden said that (and he did), why does he need that level of hand-holding? They don't trust him to decide on his own, which reporter can ask a question?

If it's rigged, and theres a planned reporter asking an agreed-upon question, isn't that worth knowing?

So what, he was told to call on one person first? Maybe they found that reporter hadn't been called on as much as others but you think because Biden said he was told to call on that report first means people control him or he has dementia? That's ridiculous
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Got Stripers

09-16-2021, 06:02 PM

So what, he was told to call on one person first? Maybe they found that reporter hadn't been called on as much as others but you think because Biden said he was told to call on that report first means people control him or he has dementia? That's ridiculous
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We all know Jim’s MO, once he is on a mission to prove a point it’s never ending until he himself runs out of steam to prove his point, which sadly lasts weeks.

Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 07:17 PM

So what, he was told to call on one person first? Maybe they found that reporter hadn't been called on as much as others
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i’m sure that’s what it was, and the fact that it was a democrat friendly outfit had nothing to do with it.
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Jim in CT

09-16-2021, 07:17 PM

We all know Jim’s MO, once he is on a mission to prove a point it’s never ending until he himself runs out of steam to prove his point, which sadly lasts weeks.

i thought you weren’t taking part in circular debate? Paul
straightened out the circle I guess, a lucky break for you!
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“never ending” = asking two (2) people who insulted me, to explain what they meant. One question apiece, to two people, is never ending.

You’re doing great.

PaulS

09-16-2021, 07:37 PM

i’m sure that’s what it was, and the fact that it was a democrat friendly outfit had nothing to do with it.
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Yeah I guess presidents don't call on biased networks. Think o a n
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scottw

09-17-2021, 02:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoMHJ0IzK0

scottw

09-17-2021, 04:42 AM

scottw

09-17-2021, 04:45 AM

Think o a n

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had to look that up...I bet the leftists here can tell you all about it and the folks on the right side of things have no idea what you were referring to :bl:

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 05:36 AM

Yeah I guess presidents don't call on biased networks. Think o a n
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i never said they don’t. and as dim as you are, you aren’t this dim.

he said out loud, that hue was calling on someone because they were the first one he was instructed to call on.

Why does he need “instructions”?

Every president is going to be more cordial, and give more time, to outlets friendly to him. But i don’t guess most of them to be told to follow specific instructions.

he has said a few times so far “i’m
not supposed to “ answer this or that.

Who is giving him those instructions?

Biden is the one we elected. In a democracy, that means he’s the one who is supposed to be calling the shots.

I apologize if that concept is going too fast for you.

democrat=good, always, no exceptions

how come you don’t question John R when he brought this up? BevUse you don’t really believe what you’re saying, that’s why. Why else?
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Pete F.

09-17-2021, 05:59 AM

https://images.app.goo.gl/3KXBJopZbKHPNgX47
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Got Stripers

09-17-2021, 06:23 AM

i never said they don’t. and as dim as you are, you aren’t this dim.

he said out loud, that hue was calling on someone because they were the first one he was instructed to call on.

Why does he need “instructions”?

Every president is going to be more cordial, and give more time, to outlets friendly to him. But i don’t guess most of them to be told to follow specific instructions.

he has said a few times so far “i’m
not supposed to “ answer this or that.

Who is giving him those instructions?

Biden is the one we elected. In a democracy, that means he’s the one who is supposed to be calling the shots.

I apologize if that concept is going too fast for you.

democrat=good, always, no exceptions

how come you don’t question John R when he brought this up? BevUse you don’t really believe what you’re saying, that’s why. Why else?
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Jim I’ve heard rumors it’s the leaders of the same organization running that back door pizza child trafficking operation. It’s the same organization that managed tens of thousands of votes for Biden many duplicates, now you have me wondering if that really is Biden, wondering if it’s something like the movie Dave.

Pete F.

09-17-2021, 06:48 AM

TFG bragging about passing a cognitive test used to screen dementia while not providing evidence will never not be funny to me
But someone asking Biden to call on someone is a reason to panic?
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PaulS

09-17-2021, 07:01 AM

i never said they don’t. and as dim as you are, you aren’t this dim.

he said out loud, that hue was calling on someone because they were the first one he was instructed to call on.

Why does he need “instructions”?

Every president is going to be more cordial, and give more time, to outlets friendly to him. But i don’t guess most of them to be told to follow specific instructions.

he has said a few times so far “i’m
not supposed to “ answer this or that.

Who is giving him those instructions?

Biden is the one we elected. In a democracy, that means he’s the one who is supposed to be calling the shots.

I apologize if that concept is going too fast for you.

democrat=good, always, no exceptions

how come you don’t question John R when he brought this up? BevUse you don’t really believe what you’re saying, that’s why. Why else?
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Is it any wonder I think you are an angry #^&#^&#^&#^&.

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 07:23 AM

Is it any wonder I think you are an angry #^&#^&#^&#^&.

when i ask why it’s ok for one person to inquire about this but a character flaw when i ask the same thing, that makes me an angry #^&#^&#^&#^&, gotcha. pointing out your demonstrable, unprincipled
hypocrisy makes me the bad guy.

makes sense.
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wdmso

09-17-2021, 07:24 AM

oh good...WDMAOC

Saying you didn’t vote for him doesn’t suggest you are not with him and agree with him .. and his madness
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wdmso

09-17-2021, 07:31 AM

"And again you fail on sarcasm"

OK. Did Biden say "I was instructed to call first on..."

The video shows he said that. So my question is, why. Why can't the most powerful man in the world, decide for himself who he's going to call on?
Jim why are you going on and on over .this why are you
taking what he sad literally? To convince your self the button thing is real?

But 4 years of Trumps attacks and lies and just dump comments you and others always explained as hyperbole, While His handlers going on Fox and his press secretary telling Americans what he ment to say even though we heard him very clearly . On topics much bigger than who to call on in a press conference….
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Pete F.

09-17-2021, 07:33 AM

The authoritarian personality has a strict superego, which controls a weak ego that is unable to cope with the strong impulses of the id. The resulting intrapsychic conflicts cause personal insecurities, which result in the superego adhering to externally imposed conventional norms (conventionalism), and unquestioning obedience to the authorities who impose and administer the social norms of society (authoritarian submission). The ego-defense mechanism of psychological projection arises when the authoritarian person avoids self-reference to the anxiety-producing impulse(s) of the id, by projecting the impulse(s) onto the "inferior" minority social-groups of the culture (projectivity), which are expressed by way of greatly evaluative and harshly judgemental beliefs (power and toughness) and rigid stereotypy.

The authoritarian person also presents a cynical and disdainful view of humanity, and a need to wield power and be tough, which arise from the anxieties produced by the perceived lapses of people who do not abide by the conventions and social norms of society (destructiveness and cynicism); a general tendency to focus upon people who violate the value system, and to act oppressively against them (authoritarian aggression); anti-intellectualism, a general opposition to the subjective and imaginative tendencies of the mind (anti-intraception); a tendency to believe in mystic determination (superstition); and an exaggerated concern with sexual promiscuity.

In human psychological development, the formation of the authoritarian personality occurs within the first years of a child's life, strongly influenced and shaped by the parents' personalities and the organizational structure of the child's family; thus, parent-child relations that are "hierarchical, authoritarian, [and] exploitative" can result in a child developing an authoritarian personality.[4] Authoritarian-personality characteristics are fostered by parents who have a psychological need for domination, and who harshly threaten their child to compel obedience to conventional behaviors. Moreover, such domineering parents also are preoccupied with social status, a concern they communicate by having the child follow rigid, external rules. In consequence of such domination, the child suffers emotionally from the suppression of his or her feelings of aggression and resentment towards the domineering parents, whom the child reverently idealizes, but does not criticize.
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Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 07:53 AM

Saying you didn’t vote for him doesn’t suggest you are not with him and agree with him .. and his madness
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here’s what liberals sometimes get, and sometimes don’t get, depending on who’s in the white house.

You can vote for a president and support him, without that meaning that you approve of every single thing he does.

When Bill Clinton was president, for 8 years, liberals said we should
ignore his many personal flaws and focus on policies. The reason they said that, is because looking at him that way, makes him look pretty good. I actually agree with that concept, i judge a president by the effects of his public policies. And that’s why I say Clinton was a good president.

But when republicans elect someone severely flawed, NOW we’re supposed to ignore the effects of his policies, and only talk about his personal behavior.

Can we just decide on one set of rules and apply them equally, do we all have to do a 180 every time the party of the sitting president changes?

Both sides do it. Republicans went on and on about growing deficits under Obama, but said nothing when trump spent like crazy.

Democrats said ( it was literally Joe Biden who said it) if a sitting Republican president near election tries to nominate a supreme
court justice, that the senate should block him. They actually called it the “Biden Rule.”. But when a democrat was president, it was horrible when republicans did EXACTLY what Biden said should be done. When a democrat is president, democrats suddenly said it was ok to appoint supreme court justices late in the term. Then when trump was president, the democrats did another full 180 and said a sitting president near election should not be able to nominate a supreme court justice. There’s only one conclusion…democrats believe it’s only ok when democrats do it.

Both sides do this constantly.

On this issue here, you are willfully failing to distinguish between supporting Trumps policies ( which i hate to break it to you, but the Gallup poll clearly shows that people liked), and his personal behavior, which nobody condones, except brain dead zealots like Sean Hannity.

Pick a set of rules, and apply them evenly. is that too much to ask?
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scottw

09-17-2021, 07:59 AM

Is it any wonder I think you are an angry #^&#^&#^&#^&.

glad you are raising the level of discussion and not insulting anyone...that would be awful :rolleyes:

scottw

09-17-2021, 07:59 AM

Saying you didn’t vote for him doesn’t suggest you are not with him and agree with him .. and his madness

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ummmmm...ok

scottw

09-17-2021, 08:01 AM

But someone asking Biden to call on someone is a reason to panic?

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ahhhh...have you watched biden at all?

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 08:05 AM

glad you are raising the level of discussion and not insulting anyone...that would be awful :rolleyes:

hey he hasn’t called anyone a “retard” on this thread yet, let’s give him credit for that.
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Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 08:07 AM

Pete says asking about Biden’s instructions is “panicking”.

the guy who started 50 anti Trump threads a day and got banned from starting threads, is saying i am “panicky” because i asked a question.

I’m not panicking. I asked a question after observing something that many people thought was interesting.

Pete, if that’s “panicking”, how would
you describe your behavior here during the Trump years. Calm and rational?
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scottw

09-17-2021, 08:19 AM

the guy who got banned from starting threads,

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forgot about that :rotflmao:

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 08:34 AM

forgot about that :rotflmao:

but I’m panicking.
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Pete F.

09-17-2021, 08:49 AM

Got Stripers

09-17-2021, 08:55 AM

here’s what liberals sometimes get, and sometimes don’t get, depending on who’s in the white house.

You can vote for a president and support him, without that meaning that you approve of every single thing he does.

When Bill Clinton was president, for 8 years, liberals said we should
ignore his many personal flaws and focus on policies. The reason they said that, is because looking at him that way, makes him look pretty good. I actually agree with that concept, i judge a president by the effects of his public policies. And that’s why I say Clinton was a good president.

But when republicans elect someone severely flawed, NOW we’re supposed to ignore the effects of his policies, and only talk about his personal behavior.

Can we just decide on one set of rules and apply them equally, do we all have to do a 180 every time the party of the sitting president changes?

Both sides do it. Republicans went on and on about growing deficits under Obama, but said nothing when trump spent like crazy.

Democrats said ( it was literally Joe Biden who said it) if a sitting Republican president near election tries to nominate a supreme
court justice, that the senate should block him. They actually called it the “Biden Rule.”. But when a democrat was president, it was horrible when republicans did EXACTLY what Biden said should be done. When a democrat is president, democrats suddenly said it was ok to appoint supreme court justices late in the term. Then when trump was president, the democrats did another full 180 and said a sitting president near election should not be able to nominate a supreme court justice. There’s only one conclusion…democrats believe it’s only ok when democrats do it.

Both sides do this constantly.

On this issue here, you are willfully failing to distinguish between supporting Trumps policies ( which i hate to break it to you, but the Gallup poll clearly shows that people liked), and his personal behavior, which nobody condones, except brain dead zealots like Sean Hannity.

Pick a set of rules, and apply them evenly. is that too much to ask?
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biggest-accomplishments-and-failures-heading-into-2020-2019-12

Trumps wins and failures as president really depend on your view of the policies. I’m not a pro life guy, I’m all for pro choice, so stacking the justices in my mind is a failure. His environment policies absolutely s*cked. Space force while sounding goofy at first is probably necessary to balance the potential threat from China primarily when it comes to protecting our property in orbit. Tax policy was wonderful if your a big corporation or one of the 1% ers, I’m really hoping Biden can avoid the filibuster and get his tax plan threw, it’s long overdue that these companies and rich pay their fair share. Not a lot of wins in my opinion, but I’m sure Trumps base feels otherwise.

PaulS

09-17-2021, 08:59 AM

glad you are raising the level of discussion and not insulting anyone...that would be awful :rolleyes:

I guess I could just troll here all day and make snarky comments:huh:

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 10:29 AM

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biggest-accomplishments-and-failures-heading-into-2020-2019-12

Trumps wins and failures as president really depend on your view of the policies. I’m not a pro life guy, I’m all for pro choice, so stacking the justices in my mind is a failure. His environment policies absolutely s*cked. Space force while sounding goofy at first is probably necessary to balance the potential threat from China primarily when it comes to protecting our property in orbit. Tax policy was wonderful if your a big corporation or one of the 1% ers, I’m really hoping Biden can avoid the filibuster and get his tax plan threw, it’s long overdue that these companies and rich pay their fair share. Not a lot of wins in my opinion, but I’m sure Trumps base feels otherwise.

"Trumps wins and failures as president really depend on your view of the policies."

You can say that about every president, right?

"I’m all for pro choice, so stacking the justices in my mind is a failure. " You mean stacking the court with the conservatives he nominated? In my opinion, there's a lot of misinformation about what it means to be a liberal judge vs a conservative judge. Conservative judges (if they are fair minded, which not all are) won't always advocate for the conservative cause, they will advocate to adhere to what the law actually says, not what they wish the law said. During her confirmation hearings, Justice Barrett listed a few decisions she made which were contrary to her personal beliefs, but which were consistent with the constitution. I don't want the Supreme Court to outlaw abortion, I want them to do what the constitution says, and refer the question to the states (since it's not in the specified list of things that the federal government is responsible for). Send it to the states where it belongs, and then some states will allow it, some won't, depending on who the citizens elect. These things are not supposed to be decided by 9 people who aren't elected, and they're appointed for life meaning they aren't answerable to us.

"His environment policies absolutely s*cked."

I respect why you'd say that. I don't agree, which doesn't mean I don't care about the environment, because I do. But I notice two glaring things. First, none of the dire predictions made by this community have come true, which tells me their models are flawed, I don't know what other conclusion you could reach. Second, many of the most influential leaders of this movement have carbon footprints you'd expect from a small country - mansions, yachts, private jets). I don't think they believe what they claim to believe, and again I don't know what other conclusion you could reach. I say spend the money, do lots of honest research, and let's take reasonable steps to make things cleaner, but I don't care to hear about AOC's green new deal.

"Tax policy was wonderful if your a big corporation or one of the 1% ers"

A common Trump attack, but it's just not true, not to the extent they claim. I'm not a corporation, I'm not a 1%-er, I work in a cubicle (not a corner office) of a huge company, my wife stays home, we have 3 kids, we have literally lived paycheck-to-paycheck since my wife stopped working. Trumps tax cuts reduced my tax liability by about $250 a month. That loosened the noose around our necks. We used it to buy a camper, which my kids and I sleep in almost every night in the driveway all summer, and which we take on every vacation now. We wouldn't have bought it if not for those tax cuts. We can reasonably debate if less should have gone to the rich an d more to the poor, but you can't say it only helped the rich.

"long overdue that these companies and rich pay their fair share." Another common democrat rallying cry, but the truth is a bit murkier. If you actually do the math, and assume that all the rich make no changes and make the same income, and just pay the higher marginal tax rate, how much more revenue are we talking, compared to our current annual budgets?

I actually did a mathematical exercise once, I looked the total compensation of the Walmart CEO, and determined that if he worked for free and we gave his salary+bonus to all US workers, it worked out to something like $40 per year for each worker. The math doesn't work. There aren't that many rich people, and they aren't that rich, not enough to make a big difference. That said, I won't lose any sleep if we tweak those tax rates a bit as there's some unfairness in there, but it's absurd to think we can tweak the tax rates on people who won't know the difference, and solve any meaningful problem. It's more like a rounding error.

"Not a lot of wins in my opinion, but I’m sure Trumps base feels otherwise"

Not just his base. Gallup does a poll every 4 years during presidential elections, asks Americans if they're better off than they were 4 years ago. When they did the poll in 2020, during the pandemic, a record-number of Americans (58% I think) said they were better off. Gallup has done this poll for decades, and never before had more Americans said they were better off.

There's a reason for that. People liked the tax cuts, the insanely low unemployment (especially for blacks, which would have been celebrated as an historic win if any democrat president had pulled that off), his dealing with terrorists, his not getting us involved in questionable wars, his criminal justice reform (which liberals have wanted for decades, and which Obama could easily have done when the democrats controlled congress, but he chose not to), his talk of securing the southern border (his actions fell way short), the stock market records, his work in the middle east (we'll see how that plays out now), his giving companies incentive to repatriate trillions of dollars that had been banked elsewhere..

It's not just right-wing radicals that approve of those things. CNN and MSNBC won't ever say it, but those are populist ideas. That's why I believe that a likeable republican who advocated for those things but who didn't have Trumps endless list of character flaws, would be tough to beat - in normal times. The pandemic may be enough to make people put those things aside.

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 10:31 AM

I guess I could just troll here all day and make snarky comments:huh:

What have you done on this thread, other than exactly that? Whew...

PaulS

09-17-2021, 10:52 AM

What have you done on this thread, other than exactly that? Whew...

Pointed out your hypocrisy and also showed how ridiculous and petty you are complaining about the president being told to call on one reporter first. Showed how your anger is so prevalent that every thread you comment on turns into a #^&#^&#^&#^& show.

I did not comment on how you're trying to imply that we should be looking at total covid cases since inception without looking at amongst other things, the density of the early States compared to the States with high covid counts now, before and after vaccine was developed and rolled out, or looking at before and after the Delta virus shows that you're probably a pretty crappy actuary if you use that same logic
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Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 11:19 AM

Pointed out your hypocrisy and also showed how ridiculous and petty you are complaining about the president being told to call on one reporter first. Showed how your anger is so prevalent that every thread you comment on turns into a #^&#^&#^&#^& show.

I did not comment on how you're trying to imply that we should be looking at total covid cases since inception without looking at amongst other things, the density of the early States compared to the States with high covid counts now, before and after vaccine was developed and rolled out, or looking at before and after the Delta virus shows that you're probably a pretty crappy actuary if you use that same logic
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oh you pointed out my hypocrisy. but when i did the same exact thing to you, you called me
an angry #^&#^&#^&#^&. so as usual, with all things, it’s only ok when you do it.

what was my hypocrisy, exactly?

i never said we shouldn’t be looking at anything related to covid. please point to where i said not to look at something?

what i said, is that total death rate, is more important than death rate of the last week. do you disagree with that?

can you make a single post without completely misrepresenting what i said?

If i had even come close to saying what you claim i said, you’d be right, i’d be unemployable. Fortunately for me, i never came close to saying not to look at something. i was asking why the lefties never talk about inception to date data, and only talk about last two weeks. the answer of course, is that inception to date data makes liberals look les favorable then looking at the most recent data.

I’ll wait patiently for you to point to a post where i said that recent data is t worth looking at, at all? if you can’t do that, can you admit you lied?

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scottw

09-17-2021, 11:33 AM

What have you done on this thread, other than exactly that? Whew...

leftists don't seem any happier after they won....

scottw

09-17-2021, 11:34 AM

Successful

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:lama:

scottw

09-17-2021, 11:36 AM

Trumps wins and failures as president really depend on your view of the policies.

I love when people state the obvious thinking it makes them sound smart :kewl:

scottw

09-17-2021, 11:41 AM

Pointed out your hypocrisy and also showed how ridiculous and petty you are...

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that's a solid days work...congrats :claps:

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 11:54 AM

Pointed out your hypocrisy and also showed how ridiculous and petty you are Showed how your anger is so prevalent that every thread you comment on turns into a #^&#^&#^&#^& show.

I did not comment on how you're trying to imply that we should be looking at total covid cases since inception without looking at amongst other things, the density of the early States compared to the States with high covid counts now, before and after vaccine was developed and rolled out, or looking at before and after the Delta virus shows that you're probably a pretty crappy actuary if you use that same logic
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you saying something, isn’t the same as you “showing” something. hate to break it to you.
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spence

09-17-2021, 12:01 PM

Biden is the one we elected. In a democracy, that means he’s the one who is supposed to be calling the shots.
Every US president has had staff plan just about every aspect of their daily routine and most certainly orchestrating press conferences.

Pete F.

09-17-2021, 12:04 PM

The goal is not to keep score, a pandemic is not a game, the goal is to end the pandemic.

A simple analogy that most people would understand is job performance, claiming that the only thing that matters is quantity over time not current performance would not choose the most productive individuals. Most conservatives have issues with that in the case of education, where compensation is based on length of service and education but not performance.

In order to end the pandemic looking at totals will do little, some think it will work to achieve political ends, but it did not in the recent California recall election.

Risk levels & key metrics
Covid Act Now uses six key metrics to assess COVID across U.S. states, metros, and counties. Three of these—daily new cases (incidence), infection rate (RT) and positive test rate—assess a location's overall risk level. The other three—ICU capacity used, % vaccinated and vulnerability—reflect a location's ability to protect itself and recover from COVID. Below, learn more about each metric and how it is assessed.

How COVID risk is determined
A state or county’s overall risk level takes into account three metrics: daily new cases per 100K (incidence), infection rate (Rt), and test positivity.

Daily new cases, also known as “incidence” in epidemiology, represents the current amount of COVID in a community.
Infection rate is the direction and speed of growth. For instance, daily new cases may be low, but if infection rate is high, then we know that daily new cases will be high in the near future.
Positive test rate is a measure of our confidence in the underlying data. For instance, if daily new cases and infection rate are both low, but test positivity is high, then the lack of sufficient testing suggests that we are not capturing the true levels of COVID and both daily new cases and infection rate are actually higher than what is currently reported.
Each metric has the following levels: green, yellow, orange, and red. Incidence is the only metric for which there is a dark red, a fifth color we added after the third surge in winter 2020, in order to capture unprecedented case counts.

If a region’s daily new cases is green, then its overall risk level is green. For instance, if the daily new cases metric is green, but test positivity is yellow, the overall risk level is still green. Otherwise, a region’s overall risk level reflects the highest risk level across all three metrics. For instance, if daily new cases and test positivity are both yellow, but infection growth is orange, then the overall risk level is orange.

The end goal is for regions to reduce cases to zero, to fully reopen their economies, and for people to resume normal lives, unrestricted by COVID or containment measures.

spence

09-17-2021, 12:05 PM

Democrats said ( it was literally Joe Biden who said it) if a sitting Republican president near election tries to nominate a supreme court justice, that the senate should block him. They actually called it the “Biden Rule.”.
This isn't really true, McConnel took Biden's remarks out of context and labeled it as a sneaky trick to give cover for his own actions. What Biden said was near an election you shouldn't nominate an extreme justice and create a partisan fight. Rather, he said the Whitehouse should work with the Senate Judicial Committee to ensure a smooth process.

spence

09-17-2021, 12:08 PM

Not just his base. Gallup does a poll every 4 years during presidential elections, asks Americans if they're better off than they were 4 years ago. When they did the poll in 2020, during the pandemic, a record-number of Americans (58% I think) said they were better off.
Ya think maybe just maybe the unprecedented amount of Covid relief flowing from the treasury might have skewed that poll a bit? It was 56% by the way...

PaulS

09-17-2021, 12:24 PM

oh you pointed out my hypocrisy. but when i did the same exact thing to you, you called me
an angry #^&#^&#^&#^&. so as usual, with all things, it’s only ok when you do it.

what was my hypocrisy, exactly?

i never said we shouldn’t be looking at anything related to covid. please point to where i said not to look at something?

what i said, is that total death rate, is more important than death rate of the last week. do you disagree with that?

can you make a single post without completely misrepresenting what i said?

If i had even come close to saying what you claim i said, you’d be right, i’d be unemployable. Fortunately for me, i never came close to saying not to look at something. i was asking why the lefties never talk about inception to date data, and only talk about last two weeks. the answer of course, is that inception to date data makes liberals look les favorable then looking at the most recent data.

I’ll wait patiently for you to point to a post where i said that recent data is t worth looking at, at all? if you can’t do that, can you admit you lied?

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You call out Biden because you think he called a biased org. conveniently ignoring that's what Trump did with a crappy news organization like oan and what every other president in history has done. That's hypocrisy. Look at post 149 where you said you want to look at data from inception which is invalid since so many things have changed. Did you forget that or are you the liar?

So I'll do what you did a few times here. Why did you stay away for a few months? was it you bc you were so angry you couldn't take it anymore and then finally couldn't control yourself and had to come back and post?
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PaulS

09-17-2021, 12:28 PM

you saying something, isn’t the same as you “showing” something. hate to break it to you.
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The showing is every thread you comment in you end up insulting people and it turns into a #^&#^&#^&#^& show.
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Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 12:38 PM

The showing is every thread you comment in you end up insulting people and it turns into a #^&#^&#^&#^& show.
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but your insulting people
isn’t an indicator of the same character flaw, because you get to decide who gets a pass for lobbing insults and who doesn’t. must be nice to have that authority.
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PaulS

09-17-2021, 12:42 PM

but your insulting people
isn’t an indicator of the same character flaw, because you get to decide who gets a pass for lobbing insults and who doesn’t. must be nice to have that authority.
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I make an exception for you since that's all you do on this forum.
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scottw

09-17-2021, 12:48 PM

Every US president has had staff plan just about every aspect of their daily routine and most certainly orchestrating press conferences.

that's one thing...weekend-at- biden's is a whole different level

scottw

09-17-2021, 12:52 PM

A simple analogy that most people would understand is job performance.....

oh good, he's going to teach us something...listen up everyone:rolleyes:

scottw

09-17-2021, 12:52 PM

I make an exception for you since that's all you do on this forum.
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you do keep it colorful...

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 12:57 PM

You call out Biden because you think he called a biased org. conveniently ignoring that's what Trump did with a crappy news organization like oan and what every other president in history has done. That's hypocrisy. Look at post 149 where you said you want to look at data from inception which is invalid since so many things have changed. Did you forget that or are you the liar?

So I'll do what you did a few times here. Why did you stay away for a few months? was it you bc you were so angry you couldn't take it anymore and then finally couldn't control yourself and had to come back and post?
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Paul: Jim said we shouldn’t look at many covid facts.

Jim: when did i say that, can you point that out? i think i even said please.

Paul: you liked trump
and don’t like biden, blah, blah blah.

I asked for proof of your claim that i said to ignore covid facts, and you immediately pivot to what i said about the press conference. so can we assume you admit i never ever said what you claimed i said?

as to the press conference, i said to you explicitly in this thread, that every president is likely to be more cordial to news organizations that are friendly to him. they all do that. no one expects any president to do
otherwise.

in this case, what was interesting is that Biden very clearly said ( not for the first time) that he was instructed to call on one specific reporter first.

if you can please post a video of trump saying the same
thing, I will be equally critical of trump doing it. i can do so, because i’m not a hypocrite.

I stayed away from this forum because of the language coming from the lefties. Pete went after TDFs daughters. Another lefty made issue of someone else’s wife having cancer. then you used, and adamantly defended the use of, the word retard. thinking that’s harmless, puts you in very very rare territory. it’s not good territory.

You lied when you claimed I said to
ignore statistics related to covid. You’re wrong when you say i’m hypocritical on my criticism of biden here, because as far as i know, trump didn’t receive instructions to call on specific reporters first. again, if you can prove trump did what biden did, i’ll
be equally critical. John R also thought it was interesting that Biden blubbered about needing to be instructed.

You use the word retard, then act like someone stole
your pony when anyone else uses harsh language. But you’re not a hypocrite, just me, even though i haven’t done anything hypocritical.

if trump did the same thing, and i said that was ok, that would be hypocritical. but i don’t do that, sadly for you.
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scottw

09-17-2021, 12:59 PM

You act like someone stole
your pony when anyone else uses harsh language.

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this is so true...:rotf2:

Jim in CT

09-17-2021, 01:08 PM

this is so true...:rotf2:

he’s also acting like
i’m complaining that Biden didn’t call on foxnews first. i keep
saying, i commented on the fact that he said he was instructed to call on a specific person first. it appears to be a sign of his senility, that he can’t be trusted to decide on his own.

it’s not a huge deal, it was just an interesting observation.

Paul, you’ve also told
me “you don’t care about Pete’s harsh language, and you’re ok when you use harsh language, but you cry when dangles or i do it. but you’re not a hypocrite.
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PaulS

09-17-2021, 01:11 PM

Paul: Jim said we shouldn’t look at many covid facts.

Jim: when did i say that, can you point that out? i think i even said please.

Paul: you liked trump
and don’t like biden, blah, blah blah. I never said that so that's a scummy lie. I correctly pointed out how your hypocrite where are you constantly criticize Biden for things that Trump and many other presidents have done.

I asked for proof of your claim that i said to ignore covid facts, and you immediately pivot to what i said about the press conference. so can we assume you admit i never ever said what you claimed i said? Didn't I correctly point out in post 149 you said we should be looking at it since inception. So again you're lying.

as to the press conference, i said to you explicitly in this thread, that every president is likely to be more cordial to news organizations that are friendly to him. they all do that. no one expects any president to do
otherwise.

in this case, what was interesting is that Biden very clearly said ( not for the first time) that he was instructed to call on one specific reporter first. And I pointed out how Petty it is because all presidents do the same thing and call on friendly news organizations. Like Trump did with AON

if you can please post a video of trump saying the same
thing, I will be equally critical of trump doing it. i can do so, because i’m not a hypocrite.

I stayed away from this forum because of the language coming from the lefties. Pete went after TDFs daughters. Another lefty made issue of someone else’s wife having cancer. then you used, and adamantly defended the use of, the word retard. thinking that’s harmless, puts you in very very rare territory. it’s not good territory. And I've repeatedly pointed out to you why I used it. You should look at your posts things cuz you're the most vile person on this site.

You lied when you claimed I said to
ignore statistics related to covid.

I never said that you said to ignore statistics. I said it's ridiculous that you imply that the only statistic that's important is from inception and not looking at different things that have occurred over time.

You’re wrong when you say i’m hypocritical on my criticism of biden here, because as far as i know, trump didn’t receive instructions to call on specific reporters first. again, if you can prove trump did what biden did, i’ll
be equally critical. John R also thought it was interesting that Biden blubbered about needing to be instructed.

So I'm sorry but who is John R again that he is to be all and end all?

You use the word retard, then act like someone stole
your pony when anyone else uses harsh language. But you’re not a hypocrite, just me, even though i haven’t done anything hypocritical.

if trump did the same thing, and i said that was ok, that would be hypocritical. but i don’t do that, sadly for you.
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Nm.

Edits damn the colors didn't come out
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