Here's a photo from last nights Emmys. Check out all the masks and social distancing!

A serious question. If this is permissable, why are my three kids forced to wear masks in school all day, when we know schools (especially for little kids) have not been hotbeds of transmission. In a practical sense, little kids are immune.

Updated Aug 20, 2021, 04:57pm EDT
TOPLINE Attendees of this year’s edition of the Emmy Awards will need to show proof of a recent negative Covid-19 test in addition to proof of vaccination to enter the ceremonies next month, the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences announced Thursday, amid rising coronavirus numbers in California and concerns over breakthrough cases due to the delta variant.

Updated Aug 20, 2021, 04:57pm EDT
TOPLINE Attendees of this year’s edition of the Emmy Awards will need to show proof of a recent negative Covid-19 test in addition to proof of vaccination to enter the ceremonies next month, the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences announced Thursday, amid rising coronavirus numbers in California and concerns over breakthrough cases due to the delta variant.

ok. so if my teenager who is vaccinated gets a negative test, why does he have to wear a mask all day long, if the hollywood swells don’t?

it appears as though there’s a true caste system regarding the response here.
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ok. so if my teenager who is vaccinated gets a negative test, why does he have to wear a mask all day long, if the hollywood swells don’t?

it appears as though there’s a true caste system regarding the response here. I just posted the press release. So need to try to insult someone you angry man
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NM

NM

Paul, I'm not angry, I'm curious and therefore asked a question. And I specifically asked someone other than you, someone who knows more about this than we do, and forgive me for saying, but someone who in my opinion, puts truth ahead of politics WAY more regularly than the rest of you. I addressed it to Bryan, you chose to engage me here, so grow a pair and answer the obvious question.

If my 15 year-old son (who is way lower risk than these adults at the Emmys) does what they did (vaccine and negative test), why can't he make the choices they do, and not wear a mask? Is that not an obvious, fair question to ask? Does the virus differentiate between those who have Screen Actors Guild cards, and those who don't?

Don't know what Bryan's medical specialty is but Dr. Nipunie Rajapakse, a pediatric infectious diseases physician at Mayo Clinic Children's Center, answers these questions and offers insights into the benefits of everyone over age 2 wearing masks when in public settings or around unvaccinated people.

Are there negative effects of a child wearing a face mask?

Because of the concerns that have been raised about whether there are any negative effects of masking on children, there have been now numerous studies done. These studies have unequivocally shown that there are no negative health effects on children from wearing a mask.

What are the benefits of a child wearing a mask?

We know that masks significantly protect both the person who's wearing them and the people around them. The other benefit of masks is that they can help protect against other viruses. We are seeing an increase in other respiratory viruses that we don't usually see circulating this time of year, specifically two viruses, respiratory syncytial virus or RSV, and parainfluenza virus, which is a virus that causes croup. We will also be getting into influenza season this fall. Masks are effective in preventing the spread of these viruses as well.

Wearing a mask will help decrease the number of symptomatic respiratory illnesses that kids have, as well. Hopefully, this will help keep more kids in school and avoid having to quarantine if there are positive cases, and reduce the number of days that parents need to take their kid in for testing if they were to get sick — because these other respiratory viruses are also circulating now.

At what age should children begin masking?

Masking is recommended for anyone over 2. The other important part, especially in the pediatric age group, is the person wearing the mask should be able to remove it themselves if they need to. If your child has a neurodevelopmental disability, for example, or motor issues, where they wouldn't be able to remove the mask if needed, we do not recommend they wear a mask.

What type of mask should children wear?

A multilayer cloth mask or a child-sized medical mask are both good options. The important thing when it comes to kids is making sure that they're wearing it and making sure that they're wearing it properly. That means it should cover both their nose and their mouth completely. It should be comfortable for them to wear, and it should fit securely on their face without any large gaping areas or gaps.

It's important, especially since kids have probably grown over the last 18 months, to make sure that you increase their mask size as they grow. And before going back to school, try them on to make sure they all fit properly. Make sure that they're labeled with your child's name, so they don't get shared around with other children, and make sure that they're kept clean and in good condition. A new clean mask should be used each day, and your child should always have a backup mask easily available at school in case the mask they are wearing becomes wet, dirty or damaged.

Can kids really get sick from COVID-19?

We do know that over 500 kids have died of COVID-19 in our country. We do know that there can be long-lasting effects from this infection that we're still trying to understand. We still don't know the impacts on developing organs, bodies, organ systems in kids or whether there might be other long-term impacts that have not come to light as well yet. When you look at all those things, it becomes important to do whatever we can to try and prevent kids from getting this infection.

We also know that there's a rare complication called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children that can be life-threatening as well. The only way to prevent that is to prevent kids from getting COVID-19. And that's another reason why vaccination is an important part of preventive strategies for this age group.

Don't know what Bryan's medical specialty is but Dr. Nipunie Rajapakse, a pediatric infectious diseases physician at Mayo Clinic Children's Center, answers these questions and offers insights into the benefits of everyone over age 2 wearing masks when in public .

dr rajapakse has obviously never had a 2 or 3 year old

Don't know what Bryan's medical specialty is but Dr. Nipunie Rajapakse, a pediatric infectious diseases physician at Mayo Clinic Children's Center, answers these questions and offers insights into the benefits of everyone over age 2 wearing masks when in public settings or around unvaccinated people.

Are there negative effects of a child wearing a face mask?

Because of the concerns that have been raised about whether there are any negative effects of masking on children, there have been now numerous studies done. These studies have unequivocally shown that there are no negative health effects on children from wearing a mask.

What are the benefits of a child wearing a mask?

We know that masks significantly protect both the person who's wearing them and the people around them. The other benefit of masks is that they can help protect against other viruses. We are seeing an increase in other respiratory viruses that we don't usually see circulating this time of year, specifically two viruses, respiratory syncytial virus or RSV, and parainfluenza virus, which is a virus that causes croup. We will also be getting into influenza season this fall. Masks are effective in preventing the spread of these viruses as well.

Wearing a mask will help decrease the number of symptomatic respiratory illnesses that kids have, as well. Hopefully, this will help keep more kids in school and avoid having to quarantine if there are positive cases, and reduce the number of days that parents need to take their kid in for testing if they were to get sick — because these other respiratory viruses are also circulating now.

At what age should children begin masking?

Masking is recommended for anyone over 2. The other important part, especially in the pediatric age group, is the person wearing the mask should be able to remove it themselves if they need to. If your child has a neurodevelopmental disability, for example, or motor issues, where they wouldn't be able to remove the mask if needed, we do not recommend they wear a mask.

What type of mask should children wear?

A multilayer cloth mask or a child-sized medical mask are both good options. The important thing when it comes to kids is making sure that they're wearing it and making sure that they're wearing it properly. That means it should cover both their nose and their mouth completely. It should be comfortable for them to wear, and it should fit securely on their face without any large gaping areas or gaps.

It's important, especially since kids have probably grown over the last 18 months, to make sure that you increase their mask size as they grow. And before going back to school, try them on to make sure they all fit properly. Make sure that they're labeled with your child's name, so they don't get shared around with other children, and make sure that they're kept clean and in good condition. A new clean mask should be used each day, and your child should always have a backup mask easily available at school in case the mask they are wearing becomes wet, dirty or damaged.

Can kids really get sick from COVID-19?

We do know that over 500 kids have died of COVID-19 in our country. We do know that there can be long-lasting effects from this infection that we're still trying to understand. We still don't know the impacts on developing organs, bodies, organ systems in kids or whether there might be other long-term impacts that have not come to light as well yet. When you look at all those things, it becomes important to do whatever we can to try and prevent kids from getting this infection.

We also know that there's a rare complication called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children that can be life-threatening as well. The only way to prevent that is to prevent kids from getting COVID-19. And that's another reason why vaccination is an important part of preventive strategies for this age group.

So your opinion of what happened last night at the Emmys, with all those well-connected democrats, is.......

I can also show you video footage of Fauci saying that wearing masks to prevent getting a virus, is "paranoid", he literally laughed at the suggestion in 2019.

So your opinion of what happened last night at the Emmys, with all those well-connected democrats, is.......

All vacc'd or with current tests, they chose to take the risk. Kids in school don't have that choice, nor staff or their families.

I can also show you video footage of Fauci saying that wearing masks to prevent getting a virus, is "paranoid", he literally laughed at the suggestion in 2019.

Two years ago, at the start of Covid?



Who cares about either of those and what do either have to do with the health of children given what is known and still unknown today?

Herschel Walker played Russian roulette and is still here, would you suggest anyone try that also?

Who cares about either of those and what do either have to do with the health of children given what is known and still unknown today?

Herschel Walker played Russian roulette and is still here, would you suggest anyone try that also?

Why do the actors get to make a choice that isn't available to my kids?

Interesting, that the HELP at the emmys, had to wear masks. But not the swells.

You posted a doctor who advocates for kids wearing masks. Fo revery single study showing kids benefit from wearing masks, I can post a study saying the masks don't help little kids. There's no consensus.

Yet actors who write huge checks to democrats can forgo masks, and all you can say is that it's their choice to not wear one. That requires you to ignore the risk they pose to everyone else.

You're OK with famous democrats being able to make a choice. BUt not anyone else. Because as always with you guys, politics trumps truth. Always. Always.

Except with Bry. Which is why I asked him, not you guys. I already knew for 100% certainty what you'd say.

Nothing says childish like the current vaccine debate. I think that it’s instructive to look at how the country reacted to the COVID vaccine compared to the polio vaccine. First, some facts. The first polio vaccine was released in 1955. According to the CDC, in the prior year, there were 38,475 cases of polio and 1,368 deaths. Contrast that with the year prior to the COVID vaccine being released (I chose March 1, 2020 to March 1, 2021 as the time period just to get an equivalent number of months). In that year span, there were 28,000,000+ cases and 515,124 deaths.

And how did the country react to these two scenarios? I am old enough to remember being given the Sabin polio vaccine shortly after it came out (I’m pretty sure that they gave it out in school). And I don’t remember any arguments against taking it. In fact, I only remember people being happy that such a miracle drug was available (I think that pictures of people in iron lungs will do that for you.). No one accused the medical authorities of crimes against humanity. No one claimed to have been magnetized by the vaccine. No one accused J. Paul Getty (the richest man in America in 1955) of trying to profit from the vaccine.

In other words, as a country, we acted like adults.

And what about 2021? Here we were faced with a disease that caused 376 times more deaths than polio (and was more transmissible to boot). And a vaccine with a 90%+ effectiveness was being given to us free of charge. Yet armed with that knowledge many of us decided to do our own “research” and then decided that we weren’t going to take the vaccine because we believed it was somehow designed with evil intent or (at best) was going to cause more harm than good. How did we know that? Because we have seen a “collapse of any division between professionals and laymen, students and teachers, knowers and wonderers - in other words, between those with any achievement in the area and those with none at all”. So a lot of people simply decided that they knew more than the medical experts, or they simply searched for someone who would confirm their already-held beliefs. And in 2021, there’s always someone.

And, of course, it wasn’t just the vaccine. We reacted to simple mitigation steps like wearing a mask as if we were being forced to crawl across broken glass on our hands and knees. We weren’t about to eat that broccoli.

Serious countries don’t react like we have.

Serious countries don’t react like we have.



you should probably move to a serious country

In a practical sense, little kids are immune.
Pediatric cases are way up actually, and they can still pass it along. Comparing the vaccinated and tested Emmys to school kids doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense either.

you should probably move to a serious country

The pandemics 2nd wrongest commentator continues to just be clueless.

As a state Vermont took it seriously, and it has worked.
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Pour children someone is trying to protect them and others from getting sick or worse dying, we did it with so many other infectious diseases. Oh wait pour republican parents who can’t parent and deal with the new regulations like responsible adults wahwah.
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Pour children someone is trying to protect them and others from getting sick or worse dying, we did it with so many other infectious diseases. Oh wait pour republican parents who can’t parent and deal with the new regulations like responsible adults wahwah.
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you’re so damn dense. If my kids have to wear masks to protect others ( which may be a valid argument), why don’t all the people at the emmys? why do they have the right to risk the health of others for the convenience of not wearing a mask, but our kids don’t have that right?

you’re impossible to talk to. you really miss my point so completely?

Just be consistent. that’s all.
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Pediatric cases are way up actually, and they can still pass it along. Comparing the vaccinated and tested Emmys to school kids doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense either.

my 15 year old is vaccinated and i can get him tested tomorrow. but he still had to wear a mask at school.

You are the single
most predictable
person on this board.

Tell me why if a group of actors are tested and vaccinated, they can forgo masks. But kids who are tested and vaccinated, Can’t.

are kids getting sick more than adults? is that what you’re saying?? are you saying children are a riskier group than adults? have fun with that.
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Pediatric cases are way up actually, and they can still pass it along. Comparing the vaccinated and tested Emmys to school kids doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense either.

according to data released by NPR, the ratio of
kids getting sick compared to adults, is about the same as it’s been.

if kids absolute numbers are going up, but adult numbers are also going up by the same proportion, that means kids are still
less risky than adults.

WTF do you know about what makes sense?

Look at that photo, they’re on top of each other. if that’s safe as long as they’re vaccinated with a negative test,,why isn’t school? kids who are six feet apart, still have to wear masks?

Make sense of that.





https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030430471/how-the-delta-variant-affects-children
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Herschel Walker played Russian roulette and is still here, guess anyone could try that.

I wouldn't recommend it, someone might try, just to own a lib.......

my 15 year old is vaccinated and i can get him tested tomorrow. but he still had to wear a mask at school.

You are the single
most predictable
person on this board.

Tell me why if a group of actors are tested and vaccinated, they can forgo masks. But kids who are tested and vaccinated, Can’t.

are kids getting sick more than adults? is that what you’re saying?? are you saying children are a riskier group than adults? have fun with that.
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Does your son only go to school with 15 year olds? have they all be vaccinated ?.. Why does a mask bother you as bad as someone Throwing an Egg ? Republicans act as if a Mask is a yellow star or some evil form of control ... it's just a mask .. To bad parents can't adjust to mask wearing as effortlessly as Children.. there is always the home school approach freedom of choice is still alive and well

you’re so damn dense. If my kids have to wear masks to protect others ( which may be a valid argument), why don’t all the people at the emmys? why do they have the right to risk the health of others for the convenience of not wearing a mask, but our kids don’t have that right?

you’re impossible to talk to. you really miss my point so completely?

Just be consistent. that’s all.
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Oh I got your pointless point, regulating sports events, theatre and special events is up to the event planners. Schools are different, but you go Jim I know you like to beat the dead horses.
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Does your son only go to school with 15 year olds? have they all be vaccinated ?.. Why does a mask bother you as bad as someone Throwing an Egg ? Republicans act as if a Mask is a yellow star or some evil form of control ... it's just a mask .. To bad parents can't adjust to mask wearing as effortlessly as Children.. there is always the home school approach freedom of choice is still alive and well

at my sons school, they’re all vaccinated ( private school).

why change the subject?

answer - even you know you can’t discuss this subject, and not have your side look stupid.

you’re dodging the question completely. because you know you can’t answer it without losing the argument.

how the hell do you know, how effortlessly kids are adjusting?

why can’t actors adjust to wearing their masks?

because you can only criticize the right. you’re a brain dead parrot.

everyone of you is exactly the same.

You’ll criticize republicans for
mask hesitancy, but. it these people. Please explain why?

have fun!
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Tell me why if a group of actors are tested and vaccinated, they can forgo masks. But kids who are tested and vaccinated, Can’t.
The Emmy's were a single event with a few thousand people, it would likely be be impossible to test millions of kids frequently enough not to mention for the schools to manage it.

Schools are different,
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How are schools that different from huge banquet halls that host the emmys?

My kids schools are also socially distancing. Are the people in the photo?

And schools have children. Children are less risky than adults.

Where did I go wrong?

The Emmy's were a single event with a few thousand people, it would likely be be impossible to test millions of kids frequently enough not to mention for the schools to manage it.

Many, many schools do regular testing. Most colleges tested students weekly all last year. Not sure what planet you've ben living on. My son's school tests everyone, every two weeks. What else ya got?

Just keep making stuff out of thin air, Mr Common Sense, as long as it serves The Narrative.

Pediatric cases are way up actually, and they can still pass it along. .

Let's stick to your response for a moment.

Are you saying that as of now, kids are not meaningfully less vulnerable to covid, than adults? Sure seems like that's what you're saying.

it would likely be be impossible to test millions of kids frequently enough not to mention for the schools to manage it.

Great timing for that lame argument.

New York City announced today that they will test all public school children weekly.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/york-city-conduct-weekly-covid-19-tests-schools-80127892

Same thing in Los Angeles...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/world/los-angeles-schools-covid.html

Would you care to recant?

Many, many schools do regular testing. Most colleges tested students weekly all last year. Not sure what planet you've ben living on. My son's school tests everyone, every two weeks.
Nation wide there are some 80 million students, not to mention a lot of states and schools that would refuse to do it. Doesn't seem like the protocols in place right now are that demanding, why change if the rates of infection are still too high?

Let's stick to your response for a moment.

Are you saying that as of now, kids are not meaningfully less vulnerable to covid, than adults? Sure seems like that's what you're saying.
No that's not what I said.

Nation wide there are some 80 million students, not to mention a lot of states and schools that would refuse to do it. Doesn't seem like the protocols in place right now are that demanding, why change if the rates of infection are still too high?

ok let’s make it really simple.

so in my sons school, where every kid is vaccinated and every kid is tested every other week, why should he have to wear a mask, especially when they are socially distancing, , while these adults ( a far riskier group) aren’t required to do so, while sitting on top of one another.
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ok let’s make it really simple.

so in my sons school, where every kid is vaccinated and every kid is tested every other week, why should he have to wear a mask, especially when they are socially distancing, , while these adults ( a far riskier group) aren’t required to do so, while sitting on top of one another.
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That would be, because life isn't fair.

Don't feel bad, most Karens failed to learn that lesson.

ok let’s make it really simple.

so in my sons school, where every kid is vaccinated and every kid is tested every other week, why should he have to wear a mask, especially when they are socially distancing, , while these adults ( a far riskier group) aren’t required to do so, while sitting on top of one another.
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Because it's the law.

Because it's the law.

i’ll try one last time..:

what’s the logic behind it?

how does it make sense?

are you afraid guys become a menstruating person, if you just admitted the optics are awful?

i tried 3-4 times here. you guys just can’t be reasoned with unless it’s an issue that paints liberalism favorably.
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what’s the logic behind it?
To help curtail the spread of covid, Jim.

I don't see what the big deal is. Most schools aren't fully vaccinated or do routine testing. Having multiple sets of rules for different schools just adds another layer of burden for both the schools and the state to comply with. If the masking gets your school down to zero cases for the year then I'd say that would be a dramatic success.

Funny how you want to call out the vaccinated and tested Hollywood elite yet say nothing about the tens of thousands of mask less football fans packed into stadiums this fall screaming at the top of their lungs.

at my sons school, they’re all vaccinated ( private school).

why change the subject? I have no clue where your kids go to school

answer - even you know you can’t discuss this subject, and not have your side look stupid.

mask requirements do not extend to private schools? Or is that not the case in Conn

you’re dodging the question completely. because you know you can’t answer it without losing the argument.

Again you compare kids in school to adults at an event

how the hell do you know, how effortlessly kids are adjusting?

Just ask. I see kids outside my door at the bus stop from high school middle schools and elementary they all are outside and still wear their masks as easily as being on their phones

why can’t actors adjust to wearing their masks?

Their venue didn’t require it it’s really that simple.

because you can only criticize the right. you’re a brain dead parrot.

The right only deserves criticism
Because they all are complicit in the big lie
Trump Asks Georgia to Decertify 2020 Election Results, Calls for Naming of 'True Winner'

But masks is a bigger issue than stealing an election. It’s called priorities



everyone of you is exactly the same.

You’ll criticize republicans for
mask hesitancy, but. it these people. Please explain why?

have fun!
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Now it’s called mask hesitancy .. Democratic’s wear them as and where required

GOPQ don’t wear them because it’s about Freedom

Do you not pay attention to anything those you support actually say and do?
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Do yo ever provide examples that are remotely the same ?

Now it’s called mask hesitancy .. Democratic’s wear them as and where required
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so you’re saying you’re not aware of a single case of a prominent democratic elected official, violating mask guidelines. that’s what you’re saying?

one of 100 i could
post.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53994209.amp

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How are schools that different from huge banquet halls that host the emmys?

My kids schools are also socially distancing. Are the people in the photo?

And schools have children. Children are less risky than adults.

Where did I go wrong?

You went wrong when you avoided the obvious, they are regulated differently, I really don’t know how any of of can make that difference clearer.

You went wrong when you avoided the obvious, they are regulated differently, I really don’t know how any of of can make that difference clearer.

tell me why it makes logical
sense. i’m aware they’re regulated differently.
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Hollywood elite



this is amusing...

ok let’s make it really simple.

so in my sons school, where every kid is vaccinated and every kid is tested every other week

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because masks make good sheep training....

remember Fauxshi said triple mask are a good idea...I think that was before the delta variant so 5-6 masks is probably the way to go

tell me why it makes logical
sense. i’m aware they’re regulated differently.
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he doesn't even understand the difference between federal government mandates and private business policies

Now it’s called mask hesitancy .. Democratic’s wear them as and where required

GOPQ don’t wear them because it’s about Freedom

Do you not pay attention to anything those you support actually say and do?
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sorry, here’s my favorite.

San Francisco has a mandate saying that if you’re in a bar or restaurant, unless you’re eating or drinking, you have to wear a mask.

Then there was video of the mayor dancing in a bar with no mask. Not eating or drinking at the time

Clearly, she violated her own mandate.

Her defense? In her own words, she wasn’t thinking about her mask, because she “ was feeling the spirit.”

that’s now a defense of violating her own mandates. “Feeling the spirit.”.

Can’t make that one up, i dare you to try.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/mayor-breed-says-she-did-violate-covid-mask-rules-inside-san-francisco-nightclub/2659894/%3famp
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Honestly, if Fox were being run by enemy psyops guys, how would we even be able to tell

Tucker Carlson says vaccine requirements for the military are a ploy to "identify the sincere Christians in the ranks, the free thinkers, the men with high testosterone levels, and anybody else who doesn't love Joe Biden and make them leave immediately."
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Simple answer, double standard

Because it's the law.

No it’s not
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No it’s not
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Has essentially the same the force of a law, big whoop.

No it’s not
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even if it were black letter law, i asked about the logic.

There was a time, thanks to Spences side, when the law codified slavery and segregation. did we just say “wish we could do something, but the law is the law”? Or did we question the law until it was repealed? same with gay marriage.
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Has essentially the same the force of a law, big whoop.

you know, you posted before that childhood numbers are up, as justification. i asked you if you were saying that kids are now as risky, or riskier, than adults, and i didn’t see you respond.

Why is that? Is it because you know you can’t answer honestly without making my point for me?
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so you’re saying you’re not aware of a single case of a prominent democratic elected official, violating mask guidelines. that’s what you’re saying?

one of 100 i could
post.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53994209.amp

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Again Jim why do you provide examples that are not remotely the same .. yes some Dems got caught disregarding their own mask orders
For you it’s like the girl throwing the egg ! you are incapable of seeing the big picture . How many maskless people at Trump rallies how many GOP lawmakers using executive orders they claim to hate so towns and businesses can’t mandate masks I don’t see you outraged when they are caught wearing one ? Because it’s a freedom issue … just say it

PS if your kids in a private school why does the mask mandated apply? My understanding it’s a private school thing same for vaccines
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even if it were black letter law, i asked about the logic.

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you know how it works...when democrats pass laws it's forever...no questions...when republicans pass laws it's just till democrats can find away around them...and if democrats say "it's a law" it's a law even if noone actually passed a law...

why don't you see the BIG Picture????:laugha:

Again Jim why do you provide examples that are not remotely the same .. yes some Dems got caught disregarding their own mask orders
For you it’s like the girl throwing the egg ! you are incapable of seeing the big picture . How many maskless people at Trump rallies how many GOP lawmakers using executive orders they claim to hate so towns and businesses can’t mandate masks I don’t see you outraged when they are caught wearing one ? Because it’s a freedom issue … just say it

PS if your kids in a private school why does the mask mandated apply? My understanding it’s a private school thing same for vaccines
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you said dems wear the masks, republicans don’t. i disproved that. instead of saying i have a point, you say my examples “are not the same” yet naturally you don’t say why they’re not the same.

our catholic schools are following state mandates. i don’t tell my kids not to wear them, i’m not even saying i’m opposed to them wearing them ( there are experts on both sides, but zero consensus), just asking an obvious question, which has every single one of you twisted in knots because even you know, as TDF said, it’s a glaring double standard, but you can’t say it out loud, because you are a slave to liberalism and are incapable of criticizing it.

You “feeling the spirit” yet?
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you said dems wear the masks, republicans don’t. i disproved that.

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I wore mine into Aldi's yesterday.....

PS if your kids in a private school why does the mask mandated apply? My understanding it’s a private school thing same for vaccines

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yup, most of these schools are following state guidance .... I'm coaching by a private school, if another school has a vax policy we have to abide by that whether home or away....most of the policy is actually guided by fear of lawsuits more than anything

"In the past week, Ohio saw a 44% increase in cases among school-aged children..

..[S]chool districts where masks are optional have seen a 54% week-over-week increase in cases, compared to a 34% spike in districts with mask requirements"
But………someone, somewhere did something 🦜💩
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"In the past week, Ohio saw a 44% increase in cases among school-aged children..

..[S]chool districts where masks are optional have seen a 54% week-over-week increase in cases, compared to a 34% spike in districts with mask requirements"
But………someone, somewhere did something 🦜💩
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i don’t care about case counts, i care how many kids are actually sick.

Pete, if you could live as before and get covid but have no symptoms, or wear a mask and live in a light version of isolation and not have covid, which would you prefer? Please tell me which you’d prefer?

i don’t see why Case counts matter. It’s a highly contagious virus ( with a low mortality rate except among seniors and those with co morbidities who must be protected), that isn’t going away anytime soon. Most of us are going to get it at some point. It all points to something we have to live with for a long time, like the flu. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that it’s going to be eradicated. that’s not happens with viruses, except smallpox i guess.

There’s also a lot of evidence to suggest ( and not much to refute) that those who had covid and now have natural antibodies, are several times better protected against covid, than those with antibodies from the vaccine. Meaning, there’s a potential big upside to getting covid, especially if like the overwhelming majority of folks, it doesn’t make you too sick.

Connecticut College, where two of
my brothers went, has a 100% vaccination rate. and they test students regularly. they’re seeing a lot of positive tests ( kids aren’t getting sick though ), so they locked down, cancelled sports, all classes are remote, cafeterias are grab and go. If a 100% vaccination rate doesn’t prevent a complete lockdown, what’s the point?

I don’t know that case counts are the thing to focus on. lots of us have had it and never knew it.




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"In the past week, Ohio saw a 44% increase in cases among school-aged children..

..[S]chool districts where masks are optional have seen a 54% week-over-week increase in cases, compared to a 34% spike in districts with mask requirements"
But………someone, somewhere did something 🦜💩
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maybe the schools with the higher increase were in districts with more density....

maybe the schools with the higher increase were in districts with more density....

that argument is limited to situations where it defends liberalism. didn’t you get the memo?
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i don’t care about case counts, i care how many kids are actually sick.

Pete, if you could live as before and get covid but have no symptoms, or wear a mask and live in a light version of isolation and not have covid, which would you prefer? Please tell me which you’d prefer? I'd just as soon, have my wife not get it since she has no spleen. It's not all about me.

i don’t see why Case counts matter. It’s a highly contagious virus ( with a low mortality rate except among seniors and those with co morbidities who must be protected), that isn’t going away anytime soon. Most of us are going to get it at some point. It all points to something we have to live with for a long time, like the flu. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that it’s going to be eradicated. that’s not happens with viruses, except smallpox i guess. We have largely eradicated Polio, tetanus, Flu, Hepatitis A+B, Rubella, Hib, Measles, Pertussis, Rotavirus, Mumps, Chickenpox, Diphtheria and Pneumococcal Disease and completely eradicated smallpox and rinderpest. Widespread vaccination is responsible for that.

There’s also a lot of evidence to suggest ( and not much to refute) that those who had covid and now have natural antibodies, are several times better protected against covid, than those with antibodies from the vaccine. Meaning, there’s a potential big upside to getting covid, especially if like the overwhelming majority of folks, it doesn’t make you too sick.Sure, if you already died from Covid you won't die again. Your odds are 11 times better to die if you are not vacc'd

Connecticut College, where two of
my brothers went, has a 100% vaccination rate. and they test students regularly. they’re seeing a lot of positive tests ( kids aren’t getting sick though ), so they locked down, cancelled sports, all classes are remote, cafeterias are grab and go. If a 100% vaccination rate doesn’t prevent a complete lockdown, what’s the point?Connecticut College's positivity rate was over 4% the week before last, they observed their protocol and the rate dropped back to less than 1%. Evidently it works

I don’t know that case counts are the thing to focus on. lots of us have had it and never knew it.
So, "lots of us" unwittingly or carelessly spread it to our friends, family and coworkers. That is exactly the point of distancing, wearing masks, etc.

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Case counts matter for drastic changes, for control they make little difference.

maybe the schools with the higher increase were in districts with more density....

The pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator continues to just be clueless.

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Ohio is experiencing a surge of pediatric COVID-19 cases that puts it among the worst states for numbers of kids hospitalized with the illness.

Ohio has seen 466 hospitalized children with COVID-19 since July 1, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. There were 170 kids hospitalized for the illness during the first half of September alone in the state.

Nine children have died of COVID-19 in Ohio, according to state records.


Among the 10 most populous U.S. states, Ohio ranks fifth for hospitalized children with COVID-19 since July 1, according to HHS data. Number one is Florida with 3,198, followed by Texas (2,832), Georgia (1,883) and California (669).

There has been a definite, and fast, uptick in the number of very sick children with COVID-19 admitted to University Hospitals Rainbow Babies and Children’s Hospital, said Rainbow pediatric infectious disease specialist Dr. Amy Edwards.
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you said dems wear the masks, republicans don’t. i disproved that. instead of saying i have a point, you say my examples “are not the same” yet naturally you don’t say why they’re not the same.


You “feeling the spirit” yet?
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Jim your version of disproven is showing. 3 examples against thousands of examples and as usual calling them equal?

And your mask gripe should be with your school not the emmys ? Did you ask the Dioceses about why the emmys weren’t wearing masks and they were ? What did they say?
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Jim your version of disproven is showing. 3 examples against thousands of examples and as usual calling them equal?

And your mask gripe should be with your school not the emmys ? Did you ask the Dioceses about why the emmys weren’t wearing masks and they were ? What did they say?
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how many democrats at the emmys weren’t wearing masks?


you can show me thousands of examples of elected republicans who are defying their own mask mandates that they thruway on the rest of us? or thousands of random citizens? if you want to see thousands of liberal citizens violating covid protocols, just look at any photos or videos of the BLM riots this summer. thousands of people violating social
distancing and mask mandates.

Let me save you the trouble, I’ll
just respond for you.

Jim that’s not the same thing, because it doesn’t count when democrats behave badly, only when republicans do it.
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The Health Dept. says yes, the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees.

Additionally, the Dept. of Health says there were extra safety modifications in place for the event. Yes, everyone had to be fully vaxxed ... but they also had to have a verified negative COVID test within 48 hours of the show. Crew members were either fully vaccinated or recently tested as well.

Overall, the Public Health office says the Emmys reached out to share its safety protocols and they "exceeded the baseline requirements for television and film productions."

The Health Dept. says yes, the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees.
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well of course....and "outside" but inside a hermetically sealed tent is not "indoors" :huh:

Has essentially the same the force of a law, big whoop.

No, it doesn't

The Health Dept. says yes, the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees.

Additionally, the Dept. of Health says there were extra safety modifications in place for the event. Yes, everyone had to be fully vaxxed ... but they also had to have a verified negative COVID test within 48 hours of the show. Crew members were either fully vaccinated or recently tested as well.

Overall, the Public Health office says the Emmys reached out to share its safety protocols and they "exceeded the baseline requirements for television and film productions."

well of course....and "outside" but inside a hermetically sealed tent is not "indoors" :huh:

Reading Comprehension apparently is not a requirement to be the pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator:huh:

Reading Comprehension apparently is not a requirement to be the pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator:huh:

"the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions."

Clearly, the people at the Emmys were not breaking the law. That doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Pete, why do people in restaurants, and kid sin schools (vaccinated or not, negative test or not) have to wear masks, but people at the Emmys don't? What's the logic behind that law? Does the virus differentiate between vaccinated restaurant waiters and vaccinated TV producers? Is the virus deterred by having a Screen Actors Guild card?

Or is it because Hollywood is made up of very rich and politically well-connected folks?

In the summer of 2020, I couldn't go to a catholic mass. But I would be allowed to go to a BLM rally, stand shoulder to shoulder with maskless people screaming for dead cops. That was the law.

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

That's just dripping with common sense.

"the current mandate in L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions."

Clearly, the people at the Emmys were not breaking the law. That doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Pete, why do people in restaurants, and kid sin schools (vaccinated or not, negative test or not) have to wear masks, but people at the Emmys don't? What's the logic behind that law? Does the virus differentiate between vaccinated restaurant waiters and vaccinated TV producers? Is the virus deterred by having a Screen Actors Guild card?

Or is it because Hollywood is made up of very rich and politically well-connected folks?
That would be a question for the LA county board of health

In the summer of 2020, I couldn't go to a catholic mass. You could outdoors or on Zoom, my wife has since the beginning of the pandemic till lately. But the UCC doesn't require you to go to church. But I would be allowed to go to a BLM rally, stand shoulder to shoulder with maskless people screaming for dead cops. That was the law.

Poor victim, probably as worried about that thin blue line as the guys in the Capitol on Jan 6th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRwCcqur8I

Pete -

"Or is it because Hollywood is made up of very rich and politically well-connected folks?

That would be a question for the LA county board of health


OK. So any direct question which you can't answer honestly without making democrats look foolish, you punt on.

In addition to being the only person here to be banned from starting threads, and the only person here I've seen go after children, you're also a coward.

TDF got it right. You couldn't bring yourself to try to respond.

When your beliefs are so flimsy that they require you to hide under your bed in the face of such a simple question, what does that say about your beliefs? Nothing good.

Quite the resume you've accumulated here, yessir

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

That's just dripping with common sense.

You apparently have no idea of what powers the President has, do you.

100% of the democrats in both houses are vaccinated.
Not sure if the Republicans will tell, it might be political suicide.

Here's the list of REQUIRED vaccines for Central Command, every one has different requirements.
And you get booted for not complying.

Anthrax
Schedule: 0,4w,6,12,18m + annual booster
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
Required for 15 or more days in theater.
Chickenpox
Schedule: 0, 4-8w (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Subcutaneous
Dose: 0.5ml
Required. Documentation must include one of the following: Born before 1980, history of disease, sufficient varicella titer, or administration of vaccine.
Hepatitis A
Schedule: 0, 6m (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 1-18 years, 0.5ml; >=19 years, 1 ml; Twinrix >=18 years, 1ml
Required.
Hepatitis B
Schedule: Engerix-B, Recombivax, Twinrix: 0,1,6m (3 dose)or Heplisav-B: 0,1m (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: Engerix-B or Recombivax: 0-19 years, 0.5ml; >=20 years, 1 ml; Twinrix >=18 years, 1ml; Heplisav-B >=18 years, 0.5mL
Required.
Influenza - Seasonal
Schedule: 1 dose annually
Route: Intramuscular, Intranasal
Dose: IM 0.5ml; Intranasal 0.2ml
Required.
M-M-R
Schedule: 2 lifetime doses or + serologic testing
Route: Subcutaneous
Dose: 0.5ml
Required. Documentation must include one of the following: Born before 1957, effective immunity by titer, or administration of two lifetime doses.
Pneumococcal
Schedule: High risk: 1 dose, Asplenic Only: 1 dose + 1 time booster if 5 yrs or greater since 1st dose
Route: Subcutaneous or Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
Required for high risk health conditions per ACIP.
Polio
Schedule: 1 dose as adult
Route: Subcutaneous or Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
For individuals traveling for > 4 weeks, vaccination required to be administered within 12 months of DEPARTURE FROM Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Rabies
Schedule: Pre-Exposure: 0,7,(21 or 28d) Booster: 2-5 yr (when titer drops >1:5)
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 1ml
Required for personnel at high risk for exposure IAW Service-Specific guidelines.
Tdap
Schedule: 1 lifetime dose of Tdap, Td boosters every 10 yrs. For adults who previously have not received a dose of Tdap, 1 dose should be given regardless of interval since last tetanus vaccine.
Route: Intramuscular (Tdap, Td, Tetanus Toxoid)
Dose: 0.5ml (Tdap, Td, Tetanus Toxoid)
Required.
Typhoid
Schedule: Injectable: every 2 yr; Oral: every 5 yr
Route: Intramuscular or Oral
Dose: IM 0.5ml; Oral, 4 capsules (day 1,3,5,7)
Required.

Reading Comprehension apparently is not a requirement to be the pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator:huh:

"L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees."


guess they could have just done it in the auditorium as usual then... and skipped the tent

if I lived in LA I'd identify as a "performer" whenever I head indoors without a mask

Pete -

"Or is it because Hollywood is made up of very rich and politically well-connected folks?

That would be a question for the LA county board of health


OK. So any direct question which you can't answer honestly without making democrats look foolish, you punt on.

In addition to being the only person here to be banned from starting threads, and the only person here I've seen go after children, you're also a coward.

TDF got it right. You couldn't bring yourself to try to respond.

When your beliefs are so flimsy that they require you to hide under your bed in the face of such a simple question, what does that say about your beliefs? Nothing good.

Quite the resume you've accumulated here, yessir

You are the toughest guy behind a keyboard, aren't you?

My beliefs are that you are responsible for yourself and regardless of what some agency says, you need to do what is best for you and not hurt others.

You are a poor little insecure boy, if your self-worth is determined by someone else's answer on the internet.

You are the toughest guy behind a keyboard, aren't you?



this is hilarious coming from you...I bet a bunch of you would make a puddle at you feet if you had to actually say some of this stuff in person

"L.A. requires everyone to wear a mask indoors -- whether vaccinated or unvaccinated -- but it also says exceptions are made for film, TV and music productions.

The county says the Emmy Awards qualify as a TV production, and all the people appearing on the show are considered performers ... so masks were not a must for attendees."


guess they could have just done it in the auditorium as usual then... and skipped the tent

if I lived in LA I'd identify as a "performer" whenever I head indoors without a mask What do you identify as here?:alright:

Well, if they did it indoors then they possibly would not have "exceeded the baseline requirements for television and film productions."

this is hilarious coming from you...I bet a bunch of you would make a puddle at you feet if you had to actually say some of this stuff in person

Hmmm.........

You don't know me, do you?

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Executive Orders only cover the Executive Branch Jim.

Pete, why do people in restaurants, and kid sin schools (vaccinated or not, negative test or not) have to wear masks, but people at the Emmys don't? What's the logic behind that law? Does the virus differentiate between vaccinated restaurant waiters and vaccinated TV producers? Is the virus deterred by having a Screen Actors Guild card?
He already answered your question.

Hmmm.........

You don't know me, do you?

now I'm terrified:rotf2:

He already answered your question.

no, and neither did you as you share the same cowardice.

if i ask the logic behind it, you can’t answer by saying “it’s the law”, There are laws that are devoid of logic. because not that long ago it was also in keeping with the law when a bus driver told Rosa Parks to get her black azz to the back of the bus. Back then, if i asked you why that was OK, I presume
you would have just said “because it’s the law”, especially because that law was also codified by the party you have declared yourself a concubine to.
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Might I suggest a Midol, I’ve heard they can offer some relief.
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Here’s some first class logic

The Tennessee state government now recommends vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment to preserve supplies for those who are unwilling to get vaccinated and remain most vulnerable by their own choice.
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I'm glad they got their night to celebrate each other...the pandemic has been particularly difficult for the elite...they probably didn't even get stimulus checks

I'm glad they got their night to celebrate each other...the pandemic has been particularly difficult for the elite...they probably didn't even get stimulus checks

Yes it's very rare that they all get to get dressed up and tell each other how awesome they are. Never happens.

Here’s some first class logic

The Tennessee state government now recommends vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment to preserve supplies for those who are unwilling to get vaccinated and remain most vulnerable by their own choice.
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if you are vaccinated you shouldn't need the monoclonal antibodies...right?

Here’s some first class logic

The Tennessee state government now recommends vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment to preserve supplies for those who are unwilling to get vaccinated and remain most vulnerable by their own choice.
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using your logic, isn’t that a question for the state of Tennessee health officials?

You’ll comment when red states drop the ball. you cower when bluebstates do the same.

Make. That. Wrong.
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if you are vaccinated you shouldn't need the monoclonal antibodies...right?

The pandemic’s 2nd wrongest commentator continues true to form.

Governor Greg Abbott, R-Texas, received the antibody treatment by Regeneron despite being fully vaccinated with no symptoms. In short, the 63-year-old governor hoped to prevent severe infection and a hospital visit after being infected with Covid.

if i ask the logic behind it, you can’t answer by saying “it’s the law”,This isn't rocket science Jim, the CT departments of education and health reviewed the CDC guidance and determined largely because of Delta and the rapidly raising infections among the young that masks should be worn in schools regardless of vaccination status. The Gov signed the order based on their feedback. There isn't any more to it than that, no grand conspiracy to strip kids of their liberties.

This isn't rocket science Jim, the CT departments of education and health reviewed the CDC guidance and determined largely because of Delta and the rapidly raising infections among the young that masks should be worn in schools regardless of vaccination status. The Gov signed the order based on their feedback. There isn't any more to it than that, no grand conspiracy to strip kids of their liberties.

i understand the logic behind wanted kids to wear masks.

But what data can you point me to, which says that those entertainers in California, are meangfully lower risk
than kids who are similarly vaccinated and who similarly have a negative test.

i know, you’re not this stupid. you’re dancing around the only thing that matters.

By what logic do we give more freedoms to entertainers in California than to people
who work in another industry in california, or to children?

my kids are required to socially distance, and to wear masks. those entertainers are not.

Why? if there’s data to suggest that the virus differentiates between actors and everyone else, I’ll happily concede the point.
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But what data can you point me to, which says that those entertainers in California, are meangfully lower risk
than kids who are similarly vaccinated and who similarly have a negative test.
Many/most kids in schools aren't vaccinated, aren't getting tested every other day and are in school every day. LA's economy is largely built on entertainment, they were working...

This could be your best false equivalence to date.

Many/most kids in schools aren't vaccinated, aren't getting tested every other day and are in school every day. LA's economy is largely built on entertainment, they were working...

This could be your best false equivalence to date.

for the tenth time, i’m talking about kids who are vaccinated, and who have a recent negative test, yet still need to be masked, and who need to socially distance.
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using your logic, isn’t that a question for the state of Tennessee health officials?

You’ll comment when red states drop the ball. you cower when bluebstates do the same.

Make. That. Wrong.
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I’ll wait for the reporting on the thinking behind that decision, it was pretty clear on the Emmy issue even though you couldn’t comprehend or didn’t like it.

Declaring that if you are vaccinated no further treatment is allowed is unspeakably horrific.
So much for personal responsibility.
Perhaps States that have overloaded hospitals due to low vaccination rates should just turn away patients in car accidents or critical health issues.
There are hospitals doing Triage, making those choices and excess deaths are growing again in those states.
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for the tenth time, i’m talking about kids who are vaccinated, and who have a recent negative test, yet still need to be masked, and who need to socially distance.
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So you're saying the Governor should have one policy for private school kids and another for public schools? That would go over well.

So you're saying the Governor should have one policy for private school kids and another for public schools? That would go over well.

No. I'm saying that I don't get why vaccinated students with a negative test, can't enjoy the same freedoms as vaccinated entertainers with a negative test. I am certain you know well what I mean, but will do anything to avoid being forced to address it directly.

I asked if kids are more at-risk than entertainers, as that would justify the stricter measures. I asked that 2-3 times, you avoided it naturally.

You can take the last word if you want, this is pointless.

I go fishing for the day only to check in to see Jim is still stuck on this one, what’s the problem Jim I’m worried that you are able to read what’s posted but not able to comprehend, any other memory issues?

I go fishing for the day only to check in to see Jim is still stuck on this one, what’s the problem Jim I’m worried that you are able to read what’s posted but not able to comprehend, any other memory issues?

I asked for the rationale behind public policy that's stricter with children than with actors. None of your fellow libs here came close to answering the question. Saying 'it's the law' doesn't get at the logic, and saying "the entertainers are vaccinated and had negative tests' also doesn't answer the question, because I keep saying I'm talking about children who are similarly vaccinated and who similarly have a negative test.

Lobbing baseless insults is very easy. Try something that you guys find a lot harder, try answering this question...

If you have a group of entertainers who are vaccinated with recent negative tests, and you have a group of children who are similarly vaccinated with recent negative test...by what logic would you give freedoms and rights to the entertainers, that you wouldn't give to the children?

Hint, you can't answer the question I asked by saying any of the following, which are common liberal responses:

it's the law
why do you want all children to die
why are you so angry
why are you playing the victim card
the entertainers were vaccinated
ask the state of California
Jim you're stupid
why aren't you concerned with what happened on January 6th.
you're a racist
defund the police
its so obvious
Trump tells lots of lies and has an orange hue
a-duh-duh
f*ck you

I'll happily give you a chance to show a maturity and seriousness that none of the other lefties could muster...let's see what you got.

OMG did you just ask the same question again, PLEASE go call your congressman and get the skinny on this question, clearly you need to get to the bottom of this.
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OMG did you just ask the same question again, PLEASE go call your congressman and get the skinny on this question, clearly you need to get to the bottom of this.
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I did ask it again, because each time I nail one of you down and ask, every single one of you ran away from it and hid under your bed. It's beyond hysterical, you guys are so entertaining you should all be able to get together and wear tuxedos and sit near each other without masks.

Hope you fared better fishing.

Could be we just love it when you get stuck, it’s so fun, it’s dejavu ever day, like Groundhog Day the same questions over and over again, good fun.
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Could be we just love it when you get stuck, it’s so fun, it’s dejavu ever day, like Groundhog Day the same questions over and over again, good fun.
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Come on man, think of the liberal elites!

Apparently Jim can’t figure out that to most people children are more valuable than entertainers, or his are not in his
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Apparently Jim can’t figure out that to most people children are more valuable than entertainers, or his are not in his
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oh i agree that any kid is more valuable than anyone in that room, which is why i say it’s important to help those kids become adults like…well to not become the kind of adults who attack children or who weaponize a persons ill wife. to have them turn out to be better adults than that, they need to have normal childhood experiences. which we presume you missed out on. which would
explain a few things.
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Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

Jim 1 google search you would have that answered. more false info sent to your inbox or whatever site you saw it

The claim is false. Biden’s vaccine requirements were issued in the form of an executive order – directives that apply only to the executive branch. Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order.

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

So what's being on welfare have to do with anything? other unless you think they are all black and have low vaccination rates ? the order clearly say businesses over 100 and federal contractors and employees

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

So a Navy seal should be allowed to not get the shot? But those 13 marines who were killed in a suicide bombing should have been allowed to refuse their lawful order? . its called a direct order like charge that machine gun nest . any anyone who doesn't want the shot or follow lawful orders in the military can find a new Job
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That's just dripping with common sense.

Sorry Jim its not dripping with common sense its dripping BS

and whats up with the welfare angle ?

Sorry Jim its not dripping with common sense its dripping BS

and whats up with the welfare angle ?

"Jim 1 google search you would have that answered."

If you can't handle my asking questions here, you can block me. OK? I did a search and didn't see anything.

"Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order."

OK. So why isn't there a mandate for congress to be vaccinated, issued by anyone who has that authority? Or does no one have that authority?

"So what's being on welfare have to do with anything?"

WDMSO 1 google search you would have that answered (see what I did there?) WHy is it swell if you ask questions, but you get upset when I do it?

To answer your question, if getting the vaccine is such a vital civic responsibility that Biden is ordering employers to enforce it, why not ask the same of welfare recipients, who get paid by all of us? If i have to get the shot in order to keep my paycheck coming in, why don't they? They should be held to a higher standard, because I'm working to get my paycheck, my paycheck isn't funded my confiscating other people's money.

"So a Navy seal should be allowed to not get the shot? "

Again, 1 simple google search, and you'd have the answer (see what I did there - again?).

I don't have a problem with anyone not taking the shot who has had covid and therefore has natural antibodies which many say are far superior to the vaccine's antibodies. These are some of the healthiest people on the planet, I don't suppose there's a lot of co-morbities there.

"its called a direct order like charge that machine gun nest . any anyone who doesn't want the shot or follow lawful orders in the military can find a new Job"

If the order is lawful, that's a good point, like getting the immunization cocktail. Very good point. I meant to say (but didn't say), I'm talking about military members who have already had covid and are chock full of natural (superior) antibodies.

I don't have a problem with anyone not taking the shot who has had covid and therefore has natural antibodies which many say are far superior to the vaccine's antibodies.
I don't believe the scientific community would agree with this. From what I've read natural immunity is around 80% with the vaccines closer to 95%. Hence why they recommend people who have had Covid still get vaccinated.

I don't believe the scientific community would agree with this. From what I've read natural immunity is around 80% with the vaccines closer to 95%. Hence why they recommend people who have had Covid still get vaccinated.

i believe that then only reason why i made the statement, is because of all the scientists i’ve seen who said exactly that.

Is science.org part of the scientific community?

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

but like everything, there are experts on both sides. so who knows.
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The issue with “I already had COVID “ is that unless you’re tested it’s only a guess and likely no protection.

I have some friends who were convinced they had it because they were really sick with something.
Testing said no antibodies.
They got vaccinated and will gladly get the booster.
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Good advertising.

i believe that then only reason why i made the statement, is because of all the scientists i’ve seen who said exactly that.

Is science.org part of the scientific community?

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

but like everything, there are experts on both sides. so who knows.
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Well, it's a magazine for one thing. Also if you read the whole article they have some serious challenges to the methods used in the study. Not saying it's all wrong but I don't think it is peer reviewed. Ask your BFF about what peer review means :hee:

Hope you anti vaccine tools aren’t Bruins or Celtics fans, Boston Garden now will require proof of vaccination, hey you still have your freedom; but watch the game from home.

I don’t think there’s a single “Anti Vaccine Tool” here, but if it makes you happy. :rolleyes:
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We all might be vaccinated, but my post was out to the Mass sports fan universe, not specific to SB community. Thought Jim might need some fuel for his debate on fairness and regulations.

I won’t go to a Bruins or Celtics game if they make me show proof, I’ll just spend my money elsewhere
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I won’t go to a Bruins or Celtics game if they make me show proof, I’ll just spend my money elsewhere
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But will they care?
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Don't care if they care
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I won’t go to a Bruins or Celtics game if they make me show proof, I’ll just spend my money elsewhere
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I used my cousin's ticket to the Foo Fighters last Friday night bc she couldn't get in to the show as she is not vac.

Saw Violent Femms last night and needed to show vac. card.

Going to David Bryne tonight on Broadway and have to show a vac. card (not sure if neg. test will work).

Sounds like you are Vac. If so, why not show the card? I could totally understand if you weren't vac. and didn't want to take a test.

. If so, why not show the card?



I bet it's easier to get a form of identification for voting than it is to get vaccinated twice(maybe thrice now) and get a card, and it doesn't hurt or leave you in bed sick for a couple of days....:rolleyes:

do the booster eligible have to show their booster cards and how do we identify them as they may be a danger to the public with waning effectiveness from their first jabs?

I used my cousin's ticket to the Foo Fighters last Friday night bc she couldn't get in to the show as she is not vac.

Saw Violent Femms last night and needed to show vac. card.

Going to David Bryne tonight on Broadway and have to show a vac. card (not sure if neg. test will work).

Sounds like you are Vac. If so, why not show the card? I could totally understand if you weren't vac. and didn't want to take a test.

I went and saw Alice Cooper on Saturday night, walked in, no mask and no proof of vax required, as it should be.

I am vaxed but I'm not going to show paperwork to go about my life, sorry, just not going to do it.

And I'm not the only one that feels this way.
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I went and saw Alice Cooper on Saturday night, walked in, no mask and no proof of vax required, as it should be.

I am vaxed but I'm not going to show paperwork to go about my life, sorry, just not going to do it.

And I'm not the only one that feels this way.
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I was offered free tickets for Cooper Sun. night at a new venue about 20 min. from my house but had family over so I couldn't go.

I am vaxed but I'm not going to show paperwork to go about my life, sorry, just not going to do it.

And I'm not the only one that feels this way.

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well then, it's off to re-education camp for you...youuuuuu anti-vaxxer!
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When anti people drone on about “freedom,” what’s unavoidable is that by definition they mean the “freedom” to get sick (and use up limited healthcare resources) and to infect other people with COVID.

I was offered free tickets for Cooper Sun. night at a new venue about 20 min. from my house but had family over so I couldn't go.

It was a great show. My daughter came home for the weekend and the two of us went.
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It was a great show. My daughter came home for the weekend and the two of us went.
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best relationship with daughters I think is after HS, don't know about you but mine were pretty tough through HS, now my best friend...flying to FSU school of medicine with my oldest in a couple of weeks for an interview...can't wait to spend the time... just the two of us

best relationship with daughters I think is after HS, don't know about you but mine were pretty tough through HS, now my best friend...flying to FSU school of medicine with my oldest in a couple of weeks for an interview...can't wait to spend the time... just the two of us

Oh, hell yeah. The teen years were tough. We constantly butted heads.

Now we hang out as much as we can.
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