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Jim in CT

10-07-2021, 03:15 PM

What an awful person, from the WAPO
We located 25 real estate transactions in the Oklahoma City area related to Warren’s family and 21 mortgage loans made by Warren to her family members. We found only four transactions involving foreclosure property, two made under Warren’s name. Most of the transactions took place in the 1990s and early 2000s, with Warren’s last loan being made in 2007.

Do you think she should have been able to use banks without being a hypocrite?

Just how does a data analytics program teach critical race theory?

Attending public meetings and voicing your opinion is your right.
One would hope that people’s opinions are based on more than the latest things they saw on TV.
Like Merrick Garlands son in law’s business
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"Do you think she should have been able to use banks without being a hypocrite?"

Why would merely "using a bank" make her a hypocrite?

Try to follow along here...Warren attacked banks for benefitting from foreclosures, yet she also (as you and Spence both stated) benefitted from foreclosures. Why is it OK when she does it, but wrong when someone else does it?

DO you understand the difference between "using a bank", and "profiting from foreclosures"? Those are very different things, but given your breathtaking ignorance of how the economy works, we're not surprised that you are equating/confusing two very different things.

"Just how does a data analytics program teach critical race theory?"

Where did I say the "data analytics program" teaches CRT? I said Panorama sells CRT material to schools. Why would selling analytics software, and selling CRT material, be mutually exclusive? Why can't they do both? I also said it's reported that they provide surveys to schools that ask kids about sexual preferences, and some parents are also upset about that.

Please explain why a company that sells data analytics services, can't also provide CRT materials or sexual preference surveys? I see neither you nor Spence have provided anything to suggest that Panorama isn't doing those things.

spence

10-07-2021, 03:28 PM

Try to follow along here...Warren attacked banks for benefitting from foreclosures, yet she also (as you and Spence both stated) benefitted from foreclosures. Why is it OK when she does it, but wrong when someone else does it?
JIM>>>ILLEGAL FORECLOSURES - You like to insult everyone for being thick when you are the THICKEST

Where did I say the "data analytics program" teaches CRT? I said Panorama sells CRT material to schools. Why would selling analytics software, and selling CRT material, be mutually exclusive? Why can't they do both? I also said it's reported that they provide surveys to schools that ask kids about sexual preferences, and some parents are also upset about that.

Please explain why a company that sells data analytics services, can't also provide CRT materials or sexual preference surveys? I see neither you nor Spence have provided anything to suggest that Panorama isn't doing those things.
I've not read anywhere that they sell CRT materials. They do have a philosophy of equality which right-wingers are automatically equating to CRT because it's a current fake outrage issue.

Seriously, with the right wing outlets pushing anti-mast, anti-vac and CRT is everywhere and going to make our kids hate themselves it's no wonder so may are having a conniption.

Jim in CT

10-07-2021, 05:01 PM

JIM>>>ILLEGAL FORECLOSURES - You like to insult everyone for being thick when you are the THICKEST

I've not read anywhere that they sell CRT materials. They do have a philosophy of equality which right-wingers are automatically equating to CRT because it's a current fake outrage issue.

Seriously, with the right wing outlets pushing anti-mast, anti-vac and CRT is everywhere and going to make our kids hate themselves it's no wonder so may are having a conniption.

on the foreclosure issue…

first, you said she didn’t flip
any foreclosures.

then, you admitted she did, but defended her because she held the foreclosures for a few months ( no clue why that matters)

now you say she only chastised banks for breaking the law.

you’re making stuff up from every angle, hoping something sticks.

i insult pete because he’s a rotten person. going after people’s
kids and dinging up someone’s wife’s illness, you have no issue when he does that. because he’s a lefty. but when i insult him, you suddenly care about civility.

selective principles are fake principles, spence.
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spence

10-07-2021, 05:25 PM

on the foreclosure issue…

first, you said she didn’t flip
any foreclosures.

then, you admitted she did, but defended her because she held the foreclosures for a few months ( no clue why that matters)

now you say she only chastised banks for breaking the law.

you’re making stuff up from every angle, hoping something sticks.

i insult pete because he’s a rotten person. going after people’s
kids and dinging up someone’s wife’s illness, you have no issue when he does that. because he’s a lefty. but when i insult him, you suddenly care about civility.

selective principles are fake principles, spence.
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God, if you're really this dense I can't help you.

Jim in CT

10-07-2021, 05:36 PM

God, if you're really this dense I can't help you.

fortunately for me, i don’t need your help. Who needs help from someone who denies that biden’s polling ( and his recent performance) are problematic for him?

what help can be offered by someone who can only repeatedly post “liberal=good”? it doesn’t matter what the issue is, you e never once posted anything other than that. who needs help from a parrot.
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Pete F.

10-07-2021, 07:26 PM

Pete F.

10-07-2021, 07:29 PM

"Do you think she should have been able to use banks without being a hypocrite?"

Why would merely "using a bank" make her a hypocrite?

Try to follow along here...Warren attacked banks for benefitting from foreclosures, yet she also (as you and Spence both stated) benefitted from foreclosures. Why is it OK when she does it, but wrong when someone else does it?

DO you understand the difference between "using a bank", and "profiting from foreclosures"? Those are very different things, but given your breathtaking ignorance of how the economy works, we're not surprised that you are equating/confusing two very different things.

"Just how does a data analytics program teach critical race theory?"

Where did I say the "data analytics program" teaches CRT? I said Panorama sells CRT material to schools. Why would selling analytics software, and selling CRT material, be mutually exclusive? Why can't they do both? I also said it's reported that they provide surveys to schools that ask kids about sexual preferences, and some parents are also upset about that.

Please explain why a company that sells data analytics services, can't also provide CRT materials or sexual preference surveys? I see neither you nor Spence have provided anything to suggest that Panorama isn't doing those things.

They provide data analytics to schools
Not curriculum materials
Once again you mindlessly repeat what you’re told
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Pete F.

10-07-2021, 07:37 PM

More serious than the race riots of 2020? Because we didn't get the feds involved in that. Have BOW protesters killed more people, done more damage, than those idiots?
Are you really that ignorant?
Did you miss what the Trump administration did in Portland?
That the internal reports of federal agencies said that the political appointees within DHS falsely tried to create Antifa operations in Portland
More than 25 Million people participated in BLM protests
Very few had any destruction

January 6th had a far higher percentage of people who did violent destructive acts, they must be heroes
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scottw

10-08-2021, 04:28 AM

January 6th had a far higher percentage of people who did violent destructive acts, they must be heroes

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they weren't heroes and it was over in a couple of hours with nothing burnt to the ground and most will face charges if they broke the law.....I guess the left has more activists, longer tantrums and are more thorough in their trespassing with less accountability

scottw

10-08-2021, 04:29 AM

'
Are you really that ignorant?
Did you miss what the Trump administration did in Portland?
That the internal reports of federal agencies said that the political appointees within DHS falsely tried to create Antifa operations in Portland

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so trump created faux antifa?

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 05:10 AM

Anything that conflicts with your worldview is a lie, liberals are bad, hypocrites, blah blah

You’ve never answered my question
Are you a teenage girl or are you just playing one on the internet?

Sad, sad man?

except we all know i agree 100% with liberals on some big issues. so that proves you’re wrong, yet again.
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Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 05:12 AM

January 6th had a far higher percentage of people who did violent destructive acts, they must be heroes
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how many people did the January 6 rioters murder, and how many billions of dollars in damage did they do?
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Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 05:13 AM

so trump created faux antifa?
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so his response is this…

the BLM/antifa riots weren’t that bad. And if they were bad, it’s Trumps fault.
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 05:53 AM

how many people did the January 6 rioters murder, and how many billions of dollars in damage did they do?
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Were there 25 million people involved on J6?
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 05:56 AM

so trump created faux antifa?

Trumps political appointees did
Fox amplified their lies
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scottw

10-08-2021, 05:57 AM

Were there 25 million people involved on J6?
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I believe the actual number was 74,223,369......

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 06:30 AM

Were there 25 million people involved on J6?
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No.

I answered your question, why can’t you answer mine?

How many people did the January 6 rioters murder, and how many billions of dollars of damage did they do?
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scottw

10-08-2021, 07:14 AM

No.

How many people did the January 6 rioters murder, and how many billions of dollars of damage did they do?

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many, many and much more than the summer of love

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 07:30 AM

many, many and much more than the summer of love

and i will see where he got “25 million” from.
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 08:02 AM

No.

I answered your question, why can’t you answer mine?

How many people did the January 6 rioters murder, and how many billions of dollars of damage did they do?
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Five
And the cost was half a billion dollars
Pretty high for a 8000 person attempted coup

The Dad Fisherman

10-08-2021, 08:03 AM

Most of them took public transportation home, and probably picked up take-out from Applebee’s on the way.
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The Dad Fisherman

10-08-2021, 08:06 AM

Five
And the cost was half a billion dollars
Pretty high for a 8000 person attempted coup

Are you including the guy who tazed himself? :hihi:
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Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 08:17 AM

Five
And the cost was half a billion dollars
Pretty high for a 8000 person attempted coup

they murdered 5 people? can you back that up please?
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 08:20 AM

"People gathered all over the country last year to protest the violent murder by the police of an unarmed man -- some of those protests became violent," Judge Chutkan said in a sentencing hearing. "But to compare the actions of people protesting mostly peacefully for civil rights to those of a violent mob seeking to overthrow the lawfully elected government is a false equivalency and ignores the very real danger that the Jan. 6 riot posed to the foundation of our democracy."

wdmso

10-08-2021, 08:29 AM

how many people did the January 6 rioters murder, and how many billions of dollars in damage did they do?
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And there goes Jim carrying the Conservatives Torch trying to compare the 2 riots as some how equal ! All while ignoring Trumps behavior before during and after the election seeding doubt in our elections…. And even as it becomes clear he attempted to get the DOJ involved . The Republicans and Jim and other Trump supporters make excuses

Grassley’s argument ultimately boiled down to this: It wasn’t so bad, because Trump didn’t actually get the Justice Department to do what he wanted it to do. Oh, and when he failed at that, he didn’t actually make good on his threats to start firing people and install a loyalist to lead the DOJ.

So Ya he Tried but he failed so what’s the Big Deal!!!!

Hea Donald can you come to my re-election rallies I need the support of your seditious followers an love autocratic leader like you
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 08:31 AM

Dead is dead, if it didn't happen they would not have died.

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 08:45 AM

Five
And the cost was half a billion dollars
Pretty high for a 8000 person attempted coup

5 people died.

the capital police officer, who was widely reported to have been beaten to death, had two strikes the next day and his death was ruled natural causes.

two rioters died of natural causes

one rioter died a drug overdose.

and one rioter was a tiny unarmed woman, shot to death by a police officer ( who had a history of recklessness with his gun) without warning.

so how did you conclude that 5 people were murdered by the rioters? 4 of the 5. who died, were rioters.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7128040002

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Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 08:57 AM

And there goes Jim carrying the Conservatives Torch trying to compare the 2 riots as some how equal ! All while ignoring Trumps behavior before during and after the election seeding doubt in our elections…. And even as it becomes clear he attempted to get the DOJ involved . The Republicans and Jim and other Trump supporters make excuses

Grassley’s argument ultimately boiled down to this: It wasn’t so bad, because Trump didn’t actually get the Justice Department to do what he wanted it to do. Oh, and when he failed at that, he didn’t actually make good on his threats to start firing people and install a loyalist to lead the DOJ.

So Ya he Tried but he failed so what’s the Big Deal!!!!

Hea Donald can you come to my re-election rallies I need the support of your seditious followers an love autocratic leader like you
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i’m not saying the blm riots were the same as january 6th, i’m saying the blm riots were a million times worse.

What did the january 6th riots achieve?? First of all, the majority of republicans condemned what happened. Second, the rioters didn’t kill anybody or do tens of billions in damage. and for sure, while some of them hoped to reinstate trump as president, that was never going to happen, it did absolutely NOTHING to alter our democratic process. Nothing.

Compare that to the BlM riots. Almost nobody influential
on the left condemned the riots, they were billed as peaceful. People were murdered, God knows the property damage from fire. Worst of all, that anti cop furor is absolutely permeating into our way of life. some of the most powerful democrats in washington are calling to defund the police, and many large police forces are seeing officers leave and create openings that can’t be filled because no sane person would want to be a cop in a big city right now. Liberals in the media never give the cop the benefit of the doubt, every single time they declare the white cop guilty before the investigation is done.

There is no comparing the effect of the BLM riots to what happened in January 6th. There is no meaningful number of republicans in DC who want to continue the work
of what those idiots did on January 6. By contrast, there are plenty of powerful elected democrats who fully support the cause of the BLM rioters.

That summer, democrats said you couldn’t go to mass because of covid, but they specifically allowed BLM protests and riots. They denied freedom of assembly ( which is guaranteed in the constitution, nowhere does it say “unless there’s a pandemic”) to those not sympathetic to their agenda, and reserved freedom of assembly to those who are sympathetic to their agenda.

I would love to see you attempt to make that wrong. I would truly love it.

you keep saying that republicans want a dictator for president. it shows how completely ignorant you are. we want a much less powerful federal presence than democrats want. you don’t understand anything. zip. stick to catching tuna.
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 08:58 AM

Dead is dead, if it didn't happen they would not have died.

5 people died.

the capital police officer, who was widely reported to have been beaten to death, had two strikes the next day and his death was ruled natural causes.

two rioters died of natural causes

one rioter died a drug overdose.

and one rioter was a tiny unarmed woman, shot to death by a police officer ( who had a history of recklessness with his gun) without warning. You will buy into anything you hear, won't you? Your support for police stops if it is not against people whose politics you don't like?

so how did you conclude that 5 people were murdered by the rioters? 4 of the 5. who died, were rioters.
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What happened at BLM protests pales in comparison to January 6th, this is one of your greatest hits in false equivalence. Look at how much destruction and compare it to how many people were involved.

"People gathered all over the country last year to protest the violent murder by the police of an unarmed man -- some of those protests became violent," Judge Chutkan said in a sentencing hearing. "But to compare the actions of people protesting mostly peacefully for civil rights to those of a violent mob seeking to overthrow the lawfully elected government is a false equivalency and ignores the very real danger that the Jan. 6 riot posed to the foundation of our democracy."

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 09:01 AM

What happened at BLM protests pales in comparison to January 6th, this is one of your greatest hits in false equivalence. Look at how much destruction and compare it to how many people were involved.

"People gathered all over the country last year to protest the violent murder by the police of an unarmed man -- some of those protests became violent," Judge Chutkan said in a sentencing hearing. "But to compare the actions of people protesting mostly peacefully for civil rights to those of a violent mob seeking to overthrow the lawfully elected government is a false equivalency and ignores the very real danger that the Jan. 6 riot posed to the foundation of our democracy."

you made up the lie that the rioters murdered 5 people. i destroyed that lie.

what did i say about the woman killed by the cop, that was wrong, exactly?

who cares that some judge no one has ever heard of, agrees with you? what does that prove?

how did you get the idea that the rioters murdered 5 people? where did that BS come from? you have zero credibility.
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 09:03 AM

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 09:10 AM

Let's be clear. There were people in the government trying to directly engineer a coup and then a violent insurrection in the Capitol. No one should be reassured about the state of American democracy.

like when trump explicitly told them to be “peaceful and patriotic”?

how violent was the insurrection, when the only person killed by violence was a tiny woman who was trespassing?

how come these traitors you say planned a coup, haven't been charged by the Biden administration? You know more than they do, is that it?

why are you such a complete coward that you never, ever answer simple questions. you keep asking me questions, i always try to answer directly, and al you do is dodge my questions. what does that say about you?
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 10:31 AM

like when trump explicitly told them to be “peaceful and patriotic”?

how violent was the insurrection, when the only person killed by violence was a tiny woman who was trespassing?

how come these traitors you say planned a coup, haven't been charged by the Biden administration? You know more than they do, is that it?

why are you such a complete coward that you never, ever answer simple questions. you keep asking me questions, i always try to answer directly, and al you do is dodge my questions. what does that say about you?
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Because you act like a teenage girl and I am not required to answer your questions.

On what basis, and why, would anyone assume DOJ 's NOT investigating this & all Trump's 1/6-related crimes? Prosecutors breach ethics rules if they comment on unindicted cases & they jeopardize the case. Only a fool would do this.

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 10:45 AM

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 11:30 AM

Because you act like a teenage girl and I am not required to answer your questions.

On what basis, and why, would anyone assume DOJ 's NOT investigating this & all Trump's 1/6-related crimes? Prosecutors breach ethics rules if they comment on unindicted cases & they jeopardize the case. Only a fool would do this.

so when you said 5 people
were murdered by rioters and i asked you to support that, that’s it exposing a liar for what he is, but rather it’s acting like a teenage girl.

makes lots of sense.
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Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 11:37 AM

Did you forget or were not yet born when Nixon’s Attorney General, John Mitchell, and more than a dozen other Watergate-connected lawyers lost their bar licenses.

The Watergate burglary occurred in 1972, the trial was complete in 1975 a year after Nixon's resignation and pardon.

Hopefully Biden won't make the same mistake as Ford.

but before the trial, the country was aware of what had happened.

i don’t know anyone who is aware that there’s an investigation into charging government officials
with treason. I dare say that only exists in your head. Might be time to change the tinfoil wrapped around your head.
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 11:57 AM

but before the trial, the country was aware of what had happened.

i don’t know anyone who is aware that there’s an investigation into charging government officials
with treason. I dare say that only exists in your head. Might be time to change the tinfoil wrapped around your head.
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Oh, really
It wasn't till the end of July in 1974 that Hogan became the first Republican to publicly go against Nixon.
Nixon resigned two weeks later.

Watergate burglary 1972
Nixon reelected 1972
Nixon Resigns 1974
Lawyers convicted 1975

January 6 2021
Today October 8 2021

But if the Trumplicans again succeed in obstruction, the rule of law will no longer apply at all to the administrative branch.

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 12:17 PM

Oh, really
It wasn't till the end of July in 1974 that Hogan became the first Republican to publicly go against Nixon.
Nixon resigned two weeks later.

Watergate burglary 1972
Nixon reelected 1972
Nixon Resigns 1974
Lawyers convicted 1975

January 6 2021
Today October 8 2021

But if the Trumplicans again succeed in obstruction, the rule of law will no longer apply at all to the administrative branch.

my point, again, is people
knew well before the convictions.

I looked it up. in August of 1972 the Post reported that a $25k check for the Nixon campaign was deposited into the bank account if one of the burglars. So by then, anyone with a brain had an idea that something fishy had taken place. the date of conviction doesn’t matter. My point, which i made explicitly, is that the public was aware. I have t seen anyone but you suggest there was a coup planned at the highest levels of the government, that’s a tough thing to keep secret.

So either they’re keeping that a secret, or you made it up ( like making up that the rioters murdered 5 people), because it’s your wet dream ending to the trump administration.

Which do you think is more likely.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/timeline.html

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spence

10-08-2021, 12:23 PM

So either they’re keeping that a secret, or you made it up ( like making up that the rioters murdered 5 people), because it’s your wet dream ending to the trump administration.
It's been all over the news Jim.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 12:24 PM

In a normal world, the “Eastman memo” would be infamous by now, the way “Access Hollywood” became the popular shorthand in 2016 for the damning recording of Donald Trump’s bragging about groping women.

But it’s a good bet that most people have never even heard of the Eastman memo.

As the full picture of Jan. 6 begins to come into view, I think we should consider it a kind of revolution or, at least, the very beginning of one. Joe Biden ultimately became president, but Donald Trump’s fight to keep himself in office against the will of the voters has upturned the political order. The plot itself shows us how.

Trump, we know, urged Mike Pence to reject the votes of the Electoral College, with the mob outside as the stick that would compel his obedience. “You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Trump told Pence, as recounted in this newspaper, “or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

When this was first revealed, I assumed that Trump simply wanted Pence to do whatever it would take to keep himself in power. But this week we learned that he had an actual plan in mind, devised by John Eastman, a prominent conservative lawyer who worked with the former president to challenge the election results, a job that included a speaking slot at the rally on the National Mall that preceded the attack on the Capitol.

“We know there was fraud,” Eastman said to the crowd that would become a mob. “We know that dead people voted.”

“All we are demanding of Vice President Pence,” he continued, “is this afternoon at 1 o’clock, he let the legislatures of the states look into this so we get to the bottom of it and the American people know whether we have control of the direction of our government or not!”

These weren’t just the ravings of a partisan. Eastman was essentially summarizing the contents of a memo he had written on Trump’s behalf, describing the steps Pence would take to overturn the election in Trump’s favor.

First, as presiding officer of the joint session in which Congress certifies the election, Pence would open and count the ballots. When he reached Arizona, Pence would then announce that he had “multiple slates of electors” and would defer his decision on those votes until he finished counting the other states. He would make this announcement for six other swing states — including Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — before announcing that “there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States” on account of election disputes and accusations of fraud.

At this point, Eastman explained, Pence could declare Trump re-elected, because — with seven states removed from the count — the president would have a majority of whatever electors were left, and the 12th Amendment states that the “person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed.”

If, for some reason, this didn’t fly, Eastman went on, Pence could then say that no candidate had won a majority and thus the election must go to the House of Representatives, where each state has a single vote and Republicans controlled a slim majority of state delegations, 26 to 24. If Democratic objections led both houses of Congress to split into their separate chambers to resolve the dispute, then Republicans could obstruct the process in the Senate and create a stalemate that would allow Republican-controlled state legislatures “to formally support the alternate slate of electors.”

As for the courts? Eastman argued that they don’t matter. “The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter.” If Pence has the power, then Pence should act and “let the other side challenge his actions in court.”

Eastman’s confidence throughout this memo (he dismisses potential Democratic objections as “howls”) belies his shoddy legal, political and constitutional thinking. For one, his argument rests on an expansive reading of the Twelfth Amendment for which there is no precedent or justification. The vice president has never directly counted electoral votes. “Beginning in 1793, and in every presidential election since,” the legal scholar Derek Muller notes in a piece debunking key claims in the memo for the website Election Law Blog, “the Senate and the House have appointed ‘tellers’ to count the electoral votes. These tellers actually tally the votes and deliver the totals to the President of the Senate, who reads the totals aloud before the two houses after the tellers, acting on behalf of Congress, have ‘ascertained’ the vote totals.”

The 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, codified that practice into the Constitution. Congress would do the counting, and the vice president would simply preside over the process.

Eastman also asserted that the vice president could disregard the procedure specified under the Electoral Count Act because the law itself is unconstitutional. That, Muller notes, is controversial (and something Eastman himself rejected in 2000, in testimony before the Florida Legislature during the dispute between George W. Bush and Al Gore). And even if it were true, the 117th Congress, on its first day in operation, Jan. 3, adopted the provisions of the law as its rule for counting electoral votes, which is to say Pence had no choice but to follow them. His hands were tied.

Which gets to the politics of this scheme. If Pence were to disregard the rules and the history and seize control of the counting process, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would presumably have suspended the joint session, which relies on the consent of both chambers of Congress. “With a stalled and incomplete count because of a standoff between Pence and Pelosi,” the legal scholar Ned Foley writes in a separate Election Law Blog post, “the Twentieth Amendment becomes the relevant constitutional provision.” Meaning, in short, that at noon on Jan. 20, Pelosi would become acting president of the United States. Pence would lose authority as vice president (and president of the Senate) and the joint session would resume, with Congress putting its stamp of approval on Biden’s victory.

And let’s not forget that a series of moves of the sort envisioned by Eastman would spark national outrage. The “howls” would not just come from congressional Democrats; they would come from the 81 million voters who Pence would have summarily disenfranchised. It is conceivable that Trump and his allies would have prevailed over mass protests and civil disobedience. But that would depend on the support of the military, which, if the actions of Gen. Mark Milley were any indication, would not have been forthcoming.

None of this should make you feel good or cause you to breathe a sigh of relief. Consider what we know. A prominent, respected member in good standing of the conservative legal establishment — Eastman is enrolled in the Federalist Society and clerked for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas — schemed with the president and his allies in the Republican Party to overturn the election and overthrow American democracy under the Constitution. Yes, they failed to keep Trump in office, but they successfully turned the pro forma electoral counting process into an occasion for real political struggle.

It was always possible, theoretically, to manipulate the rules to seize power from the voters. Now, it’s a live option. And with the right pieces in place, Trump could succeed. All he needs is a rival slate of electoral votes from contested states, state officials and state legislatures willing to intervene on his behalf, a supportive Republican majority in either house of Congress, and a sufficiently pliant Supreme Court majority.

As it happens, Trump may well run for president in 2024 (he is already amassing a sizable war chest) with exactly that board in play. Republican state legislatures in states like Georgia and Arizona have, for example, used claims of fraud to seize control of key areas of election administration. Likewise, according to Reuters, 10 of the 15 declared Republican candidates for secretary of state in five swing states — Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada — have either declared the 2020 election stolen or demanded that authorities invalidate the results in their states. It is also not unlikely that a Republican Party with pro-Trump zealots at its helm wins Congress in November of next year and holds it through the presidential election and into 2025.

If Trump is, once again, on the ballot, then the election might turn on the manipulation of a ceremony that was, until now, a mere formality.

Here, I’ll return to where I started. If this happens, it would be a revolutionary change. In this world, the voters, as filtered through the Electoral College, no longer choose the president. It becomes less a question of the rule of law and more one of power, of who holds the right positions at the right time, and especially, of who can bring the military to their side.

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 12:27 PM

It's been all over the news Jim.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html

Not his news, that's busy with "The evils of the left" Haitians have AIDS

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 12:30 PM

:rtfm:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066248-eastman-memo

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 12:38 PM

Five ways Trump tried to push a coup
1. Trump tried to pressure secretaries of state to not certify.
2. Trump tried to pressure state legislatures to overturn the results.
3. Trump tried to get the courts to overturn the results.
4. Trump tried to pressure Mike Pence to overturn the results.
5. When all else failed, Trump tried to get a mob to overturn the results.

spence

10-08-2021, 12:39 PM

Not his news, that's busy with "The evils of the left" Haitians have AIDS
Fox and the NY Post don't even mention it :smokin:

Jim in CT

10-08-2021, 12:42 PM

It's been all over the news Jim.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html

so who are they investigating for treason? that was my question, and interestingly, i don’t see that in your link.
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spence

10-08-2021, 12:51 PM

so who are they investigating for treason? that was my question, and interestingly, i don’t see that in your link.
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Doesn't fit the definition of treason.

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 01:43 PM

Actually DOJ just asked the J6 committee to limit their scope.
Usually that means they’re concerned that it would interfere in an active investigation.
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spence

10-08-2021, 01:47 PM

how violent was the insurrection, when the only person killed by violence was a tiny woman who was trespassing?
Are you forgetting the officer who died a few days later after being slammed in the head with a fire extinguisher? Or the four officers who committed suicide just after the violent insurrection? I think another three protesters died during the violence as well.

spence

10-08-2021, 01:49 PM

Actually DOJ just asked the J6 committee to limit their scope.
Usually that means they’re concerned that it would interfere in an active investigation.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if Eastman is being looked at for solicitation to commit election fraud by asking for Pence to falsify the count.

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 01:50 PM

The White House has informed the National Archives they are not asserting executive privilege on behalf of former President Donald Trump.

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 01:59 PM

Here's a list that a lawyer who went thru the Senate report came up with for possible crimes committed by the Trump administration in connection with the attempt to change the results of the election.

Coercion of political activity, 18 US Code, Section 610, makes it a crime for anyone to intimidate or coerce, or attempt to intimidate or coerce, any federal employee to engage in any political activity, including refusing to work or working on behalf of any candidate. In the activities at issue, Trump was simply a candidate; he was not the president of the United States with respect to these activities. Anyone who violates that section is eligible for a fine and/or up to three years in prison. That is one offense that this report screams quite loudly, pointing to the conclusion that he and a number of others were guilty of twisting arms in order to pressure people into engaging in political activity. The Hatch Act itself, which is about engaging in political activity while being a government official, does not apply to the president, but Section 610 definitely does.

The second major offense this report strongly indicates has been committed by various people, probably including the president, is seditious conspiracy, 18 US Code, Section 2384, which says that if two or more people conspire to overthrow the government, or to oppose its authority by force, or to seize or take the United States property by force, they’re guilty of seditious conspiracy, which can lead to imprisonment of up to 20 years. Now there are ambiguities — what kind of threat constitutes force? Certainly, the sacking of the Capitol involved force, but that is only the tail end of the conspiracy exposed here. The dots are not going to be very difficult to connect, assuming our Justice Department is interested in trying to connect them. That is a big assumption, given that we simply don’t know where the attorney general of the United States is going with any of the evidence that is emerging.

The third offense, which is less directly connected with this report, but is indirectly connected, is rebellion or insurrection. That’s 18 US Code Section 2383. That section provides that whoever incites, assists, or engages in any insurrection against the authority of the United States or its laws, or gives aid or comfort thereto — that’s really important — is to be fined and subject to imprisonment of up to 10 years and shall be incapable of holding any office in the United States. That would apply to any number of people in this report who were likely giving aid and comfort to the insurrection.

detbuch

10-08-2021, 04:14 PM

Here's a list that a lawyer who went thru the Senate report came up with for possible crimes

Another list of Pete's possibilities.

wdmso

10-08-2021, 05:12 PM

i’m not saying the blm riots were the same as january 6th, i’m saying the blm riots were a million times worse.

What did the january 6th riots achieve?? First of all, the majority of republicans condemned what happened. Second, the rioters didn’t kill anybody or do tens of billions in damage. and for sure, while some of them hoped to reinstate trump as president, that was never going to happen, it did absolutely NOTHING to alter our democratic process. Nothing.

Compare that to the BlM riots. Almost nobody influential
on the left condemned the riots, they were billed as peaceful. People were murdered, God knows the property damage from fire. Worst of all, that anti cop furor is absolutely permeating into our way of life. some of the most powerful democrats in washington are calling to defund the police, and many large police forces are seeing officers leave and create openings that can’t be filled because no sane person would want to be a cop in a big city right now. Liberals in the media never give the cop the benefit of the doubt, every single time they declare the white cop guilty before the investigation is done.

There is no comparing the effect of the BLM riots to what happened in January 6th. There is no meaningful number of republicans in DC who want to continue the work
of what those idiots did on January 6. By contrast, there are plenty of powerful elected democrats who fully support the cause of the BLM rioters.

That summer, democrats said you couldn’t go to mass because of covid, but they specifically allowed BLM protests and riots. They denied freedom of assembly ( which is guaranteed in the constitution, nowhere does it say “unless there’s a pandemic”) to those not sympathetic to their agenda, and reserved freedom of assembly to those who are sympathetic to their agenda.

I would love to see you attempt to make that wrong. I would truly love it.

you keep saying that republicans want a dictator for president. it shows how completely ignorant you are. we want a much less powerful federal presence than democrats want. you don’t understand anything. zip. stick to catching tuna.
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Jim the we isn’t the new Republican Party

Clinton got a BJ and the right flips out .. Trump try’s to over turn the election and they get closer?

So we should use the new Republican version on attempting a crime

And say I didn’t rape her I tried got all her clothes of but I couldn’t get an erection . So you can’t say I raped her . Her name is America
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wdmso

10-08-2021, 05:18 PM

Pete F.

10-08-2021, 07:03 PM

I searched transcripts for Fox today and see no coverage of the subpoena battle playing out between Trump-world figures and the January 6 committee. The only time I saw the word “subpoena” mentioned was when a reporter asked about it in WH press briefing. Fox then cut away.
Fox world is oblivious
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Pete F.

10-08-2021, 07:04 PM

Another list of Pete's possibilities.

Sure Jan
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detbuch

10-08-2021, 08:00 PM

Sure Jan
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Thank you for the opportunity.

scottw

10-09-2021, 02:30 AM

Are you forgetting the officer who died a few days later after being slammed in the head with a fire extinguisher? Or the four officers who committed suicide just after the violent insurrection? I think another three protesters died during the violence as well.

the fire extinguisher story was not true...are you still pushing misinformation months after the fact?

APRIL 20, 2021
*A full autopsy found that officer Brian Sicknick suffered two strokes after the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol, with no sign that any injury or reaction to chemical irritants played a role.

New information from the chief medical examiner for the District of Columbia provides fresh details that call into question early reports about how U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died.

Sicknick died the day after the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. Initial reports, citing law enforcement sources, said that the 42-year-old had been struck on the head with a fire extinguisher. Follow-up coverage challenged that, saying he had been sprayed with a form of mace, and that the cause of death remained unclear.

On April 19, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, determined that Sicknick died from two strokes at the base of his brain caused by a blood clot in the artery that feeds that part of the body.

Diaz told the Washington Post that there were no signs of any injury, or evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemical irritants. Sicknick died, Diaz said, of natural causes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/20/update-capitol-police-officer-sicknick-died-natura/

Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 05:57 AM

wdmso

10-09-2021, 09:05 AM

are you kidding me? do you know how completely and thoroughly that lector lie has been debunked?

He died of natural causes, he had two strokes the next day. Natural causes.

Are you still saying the Duke lacrosse team was guilty, and that Nick Sandman is a white supremacist?
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Jim you do know if you robbed a bank and someone died of a heart attack . You and even your getaway driver gets charged with that persons death..

The police or the law doesn’t dismiss the incident that lead to the heart attack .. not sure how the medical examiner didn’t take into account what happened to him and how those thing contributed to his death causes .. I guess your suggestion is they had no impact in his death ?
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spence

10-09-2021, 10:00 AM

detbuch

10-09-2021, 10:04 AM

He collapsed on Jan 6th and died the next day.

Blood clots have a nasty habit of causing that. Seems they don't need any help.

Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 12:17 PM

He collapsed on Jan 6th and died the next day. The conclusion that the bear spray or fire extinguisher didn’t alone directly cause the death is mostly for legal reasons if homicide charges were sought.

you said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher, which was the original
liberal spin. the autopsy showed zero signs of any injuries. . sorry to disappoint you.
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Got Stripers

10-09-2021, 01:21 PM

The right can spin this as a peaceful protest, but that only works if you never saw the news, never watched any of the footage as it came out later and if you did and still believe it your memory is extremely short, very selective or you need to spin the party line. Trump not getting protected with executive privilege has to be making him crazy and nervous, but he will do what he does best whine and then lawyer up.

detbuch

10-09-2021, 01:37 PM

The right can spin this as a peaceful protest,

"MOSTLY peaceful." If you remember, that was the mantra for the various destructive riots that the left covered for over the past couple of years. The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful.

Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 01:47 PM

wdmso

10-09-2021, 01:53 PM

"MOSTLY peaceful." If you remember, that was the mantra for the various destructive riots that the left covered for over the past couple of years. The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful.

The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful

The vast majority of BLM protesters were very peaceful but I don’t see you supporting them with that argument ..

I am 100 positive you support what happened Jan 6th and you also support Trumps attempts to overturn the election…. You are like most right wingers you want your outcome by any means necessary . All while claiming to be a great lover of the constitution…. All the while looking the other way while Trump and Republicans try to trample all over it .. calling themselves Patriots
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Got Stripers

10-09-2021, 01:56 PM

they didnt murder anybody. saying they did is like saying trump won, based on zero evidence
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Did I say they murdered anyone Jim? No I didn’t, however contributing to several deaths and causing ptsd for any of those officers on the receiving end of beatings with anything they brought or could get there hands on, while attempting to break into the capital building to stop the certification of the election is and should be seen for what it was. The right saw it for what is was for about one day and then suddenly their stories morphed into something else.

Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 03:24 PM

Did I say they murdered anyone Jim? No I didn’t, however contributing to several deaths and causing ptsd for any of those officers on the receiving end of beatings with anything they brought or could get there hands on, while attempting to break into the capital building to stop the certification of the election is and should be seen for what it was. The right saw it for what is was for about one day and then suddenly their stories morphed into something else.

no you didn’t say that. but spence and pete said it. that was the point. obviously a very small
number of them were violent, mostly causing property damage. unlike the blm rioters ( who got a complete free pass from the left) they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t burn any buildings to the ground.

interesting your side cares about the well being of cops, only when right wing lunatics are hurting them?

violence against police is
skyrocketing, how many cases of violence against cops did you decry here? just this one instance?

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detbuch

10-09-2021, 03:35 PM

The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful

The vast majority of BLM protesters were very peaceful but I don’t see you supporting them with that argument ..

I didn't create the mantra of demonstrations being "mostly peaceful." The leftists and their supporting media did and applied it to various destructive left wing riots over the past couple of years. I merely applied the same reasoning to the Jan. 6 demonstration. But I don't see you supporting it with that argument.

I guess it only applies to those you agree with.

I am 100 positive you support what happened Jan 6th and you also support Trumps attempts to overturn the election….

As usual, you're 100% wrong. I am sickened by the Jan. 6 riot. I wish it hadn't happened. And the way something is framed shows motive. That you see it as "Trump's attempts" to "overturn the election" rather than attempts by several people to show that "the election was stolen" (as has been said by Dems over recent elections they lost) shows your bias.

As always, if serious allegations of election malfeasance are made, they should be investigated.

You are like most right wingers you want your outcome by any means necessary . All while claiming to be a great lover of the constitution…. All the while looking the other way while Trump and Republicans try to trample all over it .. calling themselves Patriots
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I have not said anything to warrant your accusation. If you are concerned about "looking the other way" you might want to peer into your own looking glass.

And I know of no greater way of trampling all over the Constitution than interpreting it in a way that will achieve desired outcomes. From what you've said, you seem to think that it is perfectly fine for SCOTUS Justices to interpret the Constitution for the supposed greater good (because times have changed). Such pragmatic interpretation nullifies the Constitution to a mere gathering of words that can mean what a judge needs them to mean in order to allow government to do what its current clan of politicians consider best for us all--which is to say that the Constitution is just a bunch of words judges can manipulate in order to grant government the power to do as it wishes so long as it is for the good as seen by politicians and judges. That is to say that the Constitution does not actually limit government, does not actually guaranty any unalienable rights.

That method of interpretation is one of the "means", as you put it, of getting "your outcome by any means necessary".

Got Stripers

10-09-2021, 05:17 PM

no you didn’t say that. but spence and pete said it. that was the point. obviously a very small
number of them were violent, mostly causing property damage. unlike the blm rioters ( who got a complete free pass from the left) they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t burn any buildings to the ground.

interesting your side cares about the well being of cops, only when right wing lunatics are hurting them?

violence against police is
skyrocketing, how many cases of violence against cops did you decry here? just this one instance?

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Really a SMALL number were violent, what no TV in your house?

Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 05:44 PM

Really a SMALL number were violent, what no TV in your house?

small numbers of both were violent, right?

how come the left won’t say that a really small number of cops commit police brutality?

funny how they only play the “really small number” card when it suits them.

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Pete F.

10-09-2021, 08:59 PM

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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detbuch

10-09-2021, 09:35 PM

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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Maybe it's like the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they just can't fix those pesky few head cutters.

Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 09:42 PM

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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i guess this is news to you but bad people don’t wear signs. so you can’t always do anything about them until after.

and that you’d say “if” there are only a few bad apples, as if that’s. it irrefutable fact, shows us how sharp you aren’t.
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Jim in CT

10-09-2021, 09:44 PM

Maybe it's like the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they just can't fix those pesky few head cutters.

exactly. or the small number of bad apples in Chicago that the well meaning folks there can’t fix. but only the cops are problematic for not being able to fix themselves.
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Pete F.

10-10-2021, 06:08 AM

How many cops were present at George Floyd’s execution?
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Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 08:42 AM

How many cops were present at George Floyd’s execution?
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that was a crime, which we dealt with.

in 2019, according to the washington post, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police. let’s assume every one of those was police brutality ( probably not true, but let’s assume it).

there are over 700,000 police officers in the US. one out of 80,000 killed an unarmed black man in a whole year. now, one instance is too many, but it’s a rounding error, not an epidemic.

One out of 80,000. That’s pretty close to zero.

how many blacks are killed
by other blacks every year in chicago? Hundreds. that’s one city. but the left doesn’t care, because THAT sue doesn’t help them win elections, and that’s all this is, politics. the left doesn’t care, because liberalism contributes to urban violence, obviously.

gang violence and fatherlessness is a million times more destructive to blacks, but we ignore it, because it’s not a politically winning issue for the left.
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spence

10-10-2021, 11:56 AM

that was a crime, which we dealt with.

in 2019, according to the washington post, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police. let’s assume every one of those was police brutality ( probably not true, but let’s assume it).
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Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 01:12 PM

Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

i now see 9, 13, and 15.

how many cops are there?

and how many blacks are murdered by other blacks? so which is a bigger problem for blacks?

still trying to see how you can call
the capital police officers death a murder?
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Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 01:21 PM

Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

lest you think that method keeps
numbers too low, it would
include a case like michael brown, who was unarmed but who was posing a lethal threat to wilson. unarmed does not necessarily mean innocent.
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spence

10-10-2021, 01:24 PM

i
still trying to see how you can call
the capital police officers death a murder?
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I never did call it a murder, but I’d be willing to wager if the attack had not happened he’d still be alive.

Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 01:26 PM

I never did call it a murder, but I’d be willing to wager if the attack had not happened he’d still be alive.

you said he was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. that would t be a murder? we have to argue that now?
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spence

10-10-2021, 01:34 PM

you said he was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. that would t be a murder? we have to argue that now?
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I said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher which was widely reported. The medical examiner said he didn’t have head injuries that would have directly caused his death. It’s really moot at this point, watch the videos of cops being crushed and beaten. I can’t believe more police didn’t die.

Keep trying to downplay the event, it speaks for itself.

Got Stripers

10-10-2021, 01:37 PM

I said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher which was widely reported. The medical examiner said he didn’t have head injuries that would have directly caused his death. It’s really moot at this point, watch the videos of cops being crushed and beaten. I can’t believe more police didn’t die.

Keep trying to downplay the event, it speaks for itself.

It’s the spin the right needs to put on it and Jim gobbles it up from his buddies on the Fox truth network.

spence

10-10-2021, 01:51 PM

there are over 700,000 police officers in the US. one out of 80,000 killed an unarmed black man in a whole year. now, one instance is too many, but it’s a rounding error, not an epidemic.

One out of 80,000. That’s pretty close to zero.
I’m still astounded that you work with numbers for a living. Most officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty their entire career. Many never even take it out of their holster. Look at the patterns within departments and individuals.

Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 01:57 PM

I’m still astounded that you work with numbers for a living. Most officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty their entire career. Many never even take it out of their holster. Look at the patterns within departments and individuals.

right, most never fire their weapons. and if those 700,000 officers were all a bunch of racist assassins, my qualitative skills tell me there would be more than 13 deaths a year.

you can’t agree with that obvious conclusion for political reasons.

which tragedy is more destructive for blacks, police misconduct or back in black violence? which does more harm, and to what degree?

you have fun with that…
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Pete F.

10-10-2021, 03:54 PM

Young lady, the police play by rules outside the rule of law
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Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 04:13 PM

Young lady, the police play by rules outside the rule of law
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then why is it so beyond rare for them to incorrectly hurt civilians? all those dangerous 911 calls in tense situations, and 15 unarmed blacks killed in all of 2019 in the entire nation? you call that a pandemic? or a rounding error? 700,000+ cops, millions and millions of tense/violent situations,,where is the evidence that they routinely violate the law?

tru answering the same question, tough guy? which force does more damage to blacks? white cops, or black on black crime?
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Pete F.

10-10-2021, 04:48 PM

Blacks?
That’s only one part of the games played by cops
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Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 05:00 PM

Blacks?
That’s only one part of the games played by cops
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couldn’t answer? odd for a tough guy.
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scottw

10-10-2021, 05:02 PM

you said he was beaten with a fire extinguisher, which was the original
liberal spin. the autopsy showed zero signs of any injuries. . sorry to disappoint you.
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He is very persistent in his bs ….
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Pete F.

10-10-2021, 05:06 PM

couldn’t answer? odd for a tough guy.
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Of course in your world, systemic racism doesn’t exist.

A well educated black guy brought up in a white neighborhood told you so.

Or was it Donald Trump?
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Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 05:30 PM

Of course in your world, systemic racism doesn’t exist.

A well educated black guy brought up in a white neighborhood told you so.

Or was it Donald Trump?
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still dodging.

the most economically successful ethnicity in our country is asians, not whites. there’s racism, not systemic racism. unless you count colleges denying admissions to asians.
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Pete F.

10-10-2021, 08:24 PM

still dodging.

the most economically successful ethnicity in our country is asians, not whites. there’s racism, not systemic racism. unless you count colleges denying admissions to asians.
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Racism may be no more transparent than in an institution with the least representative racial progress like the Senate. There have only been 11 Black senators in roughly 232 years. Clearly, the Senate is the exact space we need people with the courage to say the blunt, honest truth about our nation’s past and present. Only then can we actualize a future where systemic racism does not exist.
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Jim in CT

10-10-2021, 08:32 PM

Racism may be no more transparent than in an institution with the least representative racial progress like the Senate. There have only been 11 Black senators in roughly 232 years. Clearly, the Senate is the exact space we need people with the courage to say the blunt, honest truth about our nation’s past and present. Only then can we actualize a future where systemic racism does not exist.
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still avoiding my question. what does it say that you are paralyzed in the face of a question that simple? you’re frozen with terror at any truth that doesn’t serve your agenda.

if blacks do so poorly in places like the senate, and liberals set public
policy for such a large percentage of blacks, what does that say about liberalism?

you walked right into that one.
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Pete F.

10-10-2021, 09:00 PM

Just how in your little narrow mind does that make sense?
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scottw

10-11-2021, 03:21 AM

Of course in your world, systemic racism doesn’t exist.

A well educated black guy brought up in a white neighborhood told you so.

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this is pretty racist...

Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 06:06 AM

Just how in your little narrow mind does that make sense?
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whose mind is narrow?

i have made it clear that i think both sides are right in different big issues

Please Pete, share with us the big issues in which you agree 100% with conservatives?

minds can’t get narrower than yours. your entire existence is boiled down to liberal=good, conservative=bad, you are incapable of deviating from
that. And when occasionally confronted with facts that dispute that puny mindset, you ignore, deflect to Trump, or launch insults. You have not, and can not, ever conceded that conservatives have any really good ideas on any topic. your mind literally won’t allow it. But Trump!!!!!!!

You have taken the art of humiliating yourself and getting bitch slapped publicly, to evangelical heights. You’re a beaten down, beyond angry, narrow minded bore. And a coward to boot. and you’re too stupid to not keep coming back for
more. You make it so easy to slap
you around, you take the fun out of it. you’re the sad kid at school
who had to eat bugs to get anyone to pay attention to him.
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Pete F.

10-11-2021, 06:19 AM

still avoiding my question. what does it say that you are paralyzed in the face of a question that simple? you’re frozen with terror at any truth that doesn’t serve your agenda.

if blacks do so poorly in places like the senate, and liberals set public
policy for such a large percentage of blacks, what does that say about liberalism?

you walked right into that one.
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As usual, liberals bad
Because that’s the cause of all that’s wrong in the little girls world
Except for gay marriage
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Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 06:21 AM

As usual, liberals bad
Because that’s the cause of all that’s wrong in the little girls world
Except for gay marriage
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I didn’t say liberals are bad ( once again, hearing those voices in your head as opposed to reacting to what’s said in reality), i was only talking about you.

gay marriage, death penalty, health insurance for all, covering ore existing conditions ( one of the best ideas of the last 15 years), gun control.

for the second time, please list some big issues in which you agree with conservatives?

either that question is going too fast for you, or you know exactly what it means but can’t bring yourself to answer. there simply isn’t a third option. your refusal to answer means you’re either an idiot or a coward.
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Pete F.

10-11-2021, 06:45 AM

Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 06:52 AM

What you wrote was
“if blacks do so poorly in places like the senate, and liberals set public
policy for such a large percentage of blacks, what does that say about liberalism?“

And are they also to blame for the composition of the Republican Party, inside and outside of government?
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answer my questions, i’ll start answering yours. fair enough?

we passed the equal rights act ( no thanks to democrats). i have good news for you, the war against institutional racism is over, and the good guys won. Find another soap box to preach from.

If the country is white supremacist at its core, why are Asians the most economically successful ethnicity? and if democrats are opposed to racism, why are elite colleges denying admission to well qualified asian applicants? why do the liberal elites want to make sure there aren’t too many asians in campus?
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wdmso

10-11-2021, 08:40 AM

Jim missed this More than half of police killings in the US are unreported in government data, study finds

An estimated 55% of deaths from police violence from 1980 to 2018 were misclassified or unreported in official vital statistics reports, according to the peer-reviewed study by a group of more than 90 collaborators in The Lancet, one of the world's oldest and most renowned medical journals.

During that period, non-Hispanic Black Americans were estimated to be 3.5 times more likely to die from police violence than non-Hispanic white Americans, with nearly 60% of these deaths misclassified – meaning they are not attributed to police violence – in official government data, researchers found.

I doubt this will changes Jim’s Mind it’s evidence based and was researched…

But he is all onboard with the AG Garland is targeting white Americans only concerned about their child’s education to protect his SCUM bag daughter and husband selling CRT to schools to corrupt Americans youth

If the country is white supremacist at its core,

Jim you seem to focused on what you’ve been told to think that anyone but the right thinks If the country is white supremacist at its core, it’s what the right sells to people like you , who then believe every world .. but if you took the time to do any objective research it’s fringe elements on both sides who weaponize these topics they yell loud and they get the coverage . And duped Americans see it in a meme or one of their friends said it was happening. And Is all the evidence they need to think it’s True
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Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 08:44 AM

Jim missed this More than half of police killings in the US are unreported in government data, study finds

An estimated 55% of deaths from police violence from 1980 to 2018 were misclassified or unreported in official vital statistics reports, according to the peer-reviewed study by a group of more than 90 collaborators in The Lancet, one of the world's oldest and most renowned medical journals.

During that period, non-Hispanic Black Americans were estimated to be 3.5 times more likely to die from police violence than non-Hispanic white Americans, with nearly 60% of these deaths misclassified – meaning they are not attributed to police violence – in official government data, researchers found.

I doubt this will changes Jim’s Mind it’s evidence based and was researched…

But he is all onboard with the AG Garland is targeting white Americans only concerned about their child’s education to protect his SCUM bag daughter and husband selling CRT to schools to corrupt Americans youth
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there are over 700,000 police officers. the data, and common sense, tells us there’s no conspiracy to eradicate blacks. if you double the 2019 figure spence posted (13) to 26, that’s still nothing when you consider three quarters of a million cops, and how many dangerous situations they’re in each years.

i’ll ask you the same question that
has all the other lefties here wetting their pants.

What’s more destructive to blacks - white cops, or black-on-black violence? yet which gets all the media attention?

and if you consider the percentage of the population blacks make up
in cities ( where most violence takes place), they aren’t killed in disproportionate numbers to whites.

maybe if liberals weren’t so opposed to school choice, more blacks wouldn’t be stuck in these horrible cities? and who runs these horrible cities anyway? is conservatism dominating the landscape in these cities like chicago?
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Pete F.

10-11-2021, 09:09 AM

answer my questions, i’ll start answering yours. fair enough?

we passed the equal rights act ( no thanks to democrats). Have you ever studied history? You apparently missed the chapter on how the south went from Democrats to Republicans i have good news for you, the war against institutional racism is over, and the good guys won. Find another soap box to preach from.
When Black parents worry about their straight-A student’s traffic encounters with the police more than they do a potential accident, this is because of experiences with racism. When a Black couple is about to have a baby and has to think consciously about what hospital to deliver in so they can obtain equitable care, this is racism. When a Black parent worries about their child attending a prestigious university outside of an urban area, this is often because of the racism they worry about them encountering driving to the school and even once physically on the campus of the school. And even more urban universities are not absolved from racism.

Systemic racism is not simply a thing of the past. It is up close and personal in the present.

If the country is white supremacist at its core, why are Asians the most economically successful ethnicity? and if democrats are opposed to racism, why are elite colleges denying admission to well qualified asian applicants? why do the liberal elites want to make sure there aren’t too many asians in campus? Of course in your mind, all colleges are full of elitist liberals.
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Some Asians would dissent

Asian Americans have the widest internal income disparity of any racial group in America: The median Indian American household in America earns $119,000 a year, while the average Burmese family earns $44,400. Twenty-five percent of Burmese immigrants live below the poverty level. For Filipinos, the rate is a mere 7 percent.

Our politics are also diverse. A summer 2020 survey showed that 65 percent of Indian Americans planned to vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 election, 28 percent for Donald Trump and 6 percent said they didn’t know. For Vietnamese, the numbers were 36 percent for Biden, 48 percent for Trump and 16 percent didn’t know. A full 23 percent of Chinese Americans didn’t know.

We, the 20 million, are either poor or we are assimilation machines. Those are the two outcomes.

wdmso

10-11-2021, 09:26 AM

there are over 700,000 police officers. the data, and common sense, tells us there’s no conspiracy to eradicate blacks. who has ever said there was please tell us who if you double the 2019 figure spence posted (13) to 26, that’s still nothing when you consider three quarters of a million cops, and how many dangerous situations they’re in each years.

i’ll ask you the same question that
has all the other lefties here wetting their pants.

What’s more destructive to blacks - white cops, or black-on-black violence? yet which gets all the media attention? another argument that are not even remotely the same but you don't even try to stop.. you keep making the same intellectually dishonest argument..:rotflmao:

and if you consider the percentage of the population blacks make up
in cities ( where most violence takes place), they aren’t killed in disproportionate numbers to whites.

maybe if liberals weren’t so opposed to school choice, more blacks wouldn’t be stuck in these horrible cities? and who runs these horrible cities anyway? is conservatism dominating the landscape in these cities like chicago? another intellectually dishonest argument as if blacks lives are so much better in republican lead areas and your school choice argument is no magic pill it will help more white middle class americans by 20x then and inner city black families.. and thats why you support school choice be honest Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..

Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/06/stop-using-black-on-black-crime-to-deflect-away-from-police-brutality.html

Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 09:33 AM

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..

Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/06/stop-using-black-on-black-crime-to-deflect-away-from-police-brutality.html

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 09:36 AM

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..

Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/06/stop-using-black-on-black-crime-to-deflect-away-from-police-brutality.html

and you, like the rest of your liberal ilk here, couldn’t just answer the question. what such a simple question has you all frozen like a deer in headlights, doesn’t that say something about how flimsy your beliefs are?

the left is deflecting on this, not me. desperate to avoid people
seeing that their polices have a direct link to gang violence in cities, they blame cops instead. kiss the cop vote good bye.

the police are the one urban institution that actually works, and the left vilifies them, which always leads to dead cops. the left doesn’t care.
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scottw

10-11-2021, 10:15 AM

Pete F.

10-11-2021, 10:48 AM

there are over 700,000 police officers.

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it?

maybe if liberals weren’t so opposed to school choice, more blacks wouldn’t be stuck in these horrible cities? and who runs these horrible cities anyway? is conservatism dominating the landscape in these cities like chicago?
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Does Hartford count?

Why do “school choice” advocates never advocate eliminating school district boundaries/funding schools by local property tax and allowing poor, Black students to attend white, wealthy schools in neighboring municipalities? They don’t really want choice, just privatization.
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Pete F.

10-11-2021, 11:01 AM

Those of you who insisted the Quinnipiac poll was an outlier (Biden job approval 38%) have a stronger case. New CBS poll (50% approval) and Ipsos (48% approval) suggest Biden either was never at 38% or has recovered lost ground.
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scottw

10-11-2021, 11:10 AM

scottw

10-11-2021, 11:12 AM

Does Hartford count?

Why do “school choice” advocates never advocate eliminating school district boundaries/funding schools by local property tax and allowing poor, Black students to attend white, wealthy schools in neighboring municipalities? They don’t really want choice, just privatization.
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Same reason east Germany built a wall and didn’t let anybody leave
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wdmso

10-11-2021, 11:49 AM

this is some incredible stupidity....

Please let me know how.. I can’t wait
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wdmso

10-11-2021, 12:07 PM

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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Yes Jim I am denying your fantasy the left is doing all those thing you are suggesting. It’s a Lie no different than all Tump supporters are all into white supremacy .. it’s a good sound byte but not reality but please keep your head in the sand about police brutality or the militarization of police hasn’t contributed to these issues

Poisoning Our Police: How the Militarization Mindset Threatens Constitutional Rights and Public Safety

The result of this militarization—where local police take on the appearance, armament, and behavior of soldiers at war—is that the public is both less safe and less free.

And your unwillingness to see it as a their behavior as problematic is why it happens . And your few bad apple argument is a cop out no pun intended .

I don’t see you using the a few bad apples argument on Black on Black Crime? Funny how tha

impunity.

exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.

Seeing you don’t understand what it means in the context of the topic

Here is another.

Qualified immunity is a defense that law enforcement and other government officials can raise in response to lawsuits seeking monetary damages for alleged civil rights violations. ... Critics argue this high bar effectively shields law enforcement from accountability

So please stop looking for questions that have been answered over and over because you don’t like the answers…
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wdmso

10-11-2021, 12:08 PM

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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Yes Jim I am denying your fantasy the left is doing all those thing you are suggesting. It’s a Lie no different than all Tump supporters are all into white supremacy .. it’s a good sound byte but not reality but please keep your head in the sand about police brutality or the militarization of police hasn’t contributed to these issues

Poisoning Our Police: How the Militarization Mindset Threatens Constitutional Rights and Public Safety

The result of this militarization—where local police take on the appearance, armament, and behavior of soldiers at war—is that the public is both less safe and less free.

And your unwillingness to see it as a their behavior as problematic is why it happens . And your few bad apple argument is a cop out no pun intended .

I don’t see you using the a few bad apples argument on Black on Black Crime? Funny how that works

impunity.

exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.

Seeing you don’t understand what it means in the context of the topic

Here is another.

Qualified immunity is a defense that law enforcement and other government officials can raise in response to lawsuits seeking monetary damages for alleged civil rights violations. ... Critics argue this high bar effectively shields law enforcement from accountability

So please stop looking for questions that have been answered over and over because you don’t like the answers…
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Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 02:46 PM

wayne, one last time. which kills waaay more black victims, white cops or black on black crime.
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spence

10-11-2021, 02:56 PM

wayne, one last time. which kills waaay more black victims, white cops or black on black crime.
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It's an irrelevant question.

Got Stripers

10-11-2021, 03:35 PM

It's an irrelevant question.

Not when Jim gets his needle stuck and Wayne asking Scott for anything other than his one line snarky standard is why this board is just an amusement at times.

Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 04:32 PM

It's an irrelevant question.

only to a huge intellectual
coward.
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spence

10-11-2021, 04:36 PM

only to a huge intellectual.
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Fixed

Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 04:39 PM

Fixed

oh yeah, which is why you ran away and hid under your bed when i asked, you’re a pure intellectual for sure, totally objective and neutral.

still haven’t answered. that’s what an intellectual
does?
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spence

10-11-2021, 04:42 PM

oh yeah, which is why you ran away and hid under your bed when i asked, you’re a pure intellectual for sure, totally objective and neutral.

still haven’t answered. that’s what an intellectual
does?
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Jim, you ask pretty banal questions.

wdmso

10-11-2021, 04:50 PM

wayne, one last time. which kills waaay more black victims, white cops or black on black crime.
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I take it you didn’t read the story of the link I provided …. It’s clearly answers your question

Here it is again Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

PS I am not Black nor do I chose to speak for the black community about what issues impact them in a positive or negative way ..

Nor do I try to base my arguments on such a simplistic comparison of who’s the better killer

Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries
Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

It’s seem you can’t discuss 2 different issues at the same time.. oh well
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Jim in CT

10-11-2021, 04:59 PM

I take it you didn’t read the story of the link I provided …. It’s clearly answers your question

Here it is again Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

PS I am not Black nor do I chose to speak for the black community about what issues impact them in a positive or negative way ..

Nor do I try to base my arguments on such a simplistic comparison of who’s the better killer

Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries
Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

It’s seem you can’t discuss 2 different issues at the same time.. oh well
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i can discuss two issues, we can talk about actual police brutality. but you refuse to talk about black on black crime, even though it claims a thousand times more black lives than white cops.

you’re the one who can’t discuss two things. not me.
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wdmso

10-11-2021, 06:12 PM

i can discuss two issues, we can talk about actual police brutality. but you refuse to talk about black on black crime, even though it claims a thousand times more black lives than white cops.

you’re the one who can’t discuss two things. not me.
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Jim when you use your black on black crime line to distract from talking about police brutality.

It’s like making sugar cookies then throwing in a handful of chocolate chips .. and saying I didn’t change anything it’s still a cookie

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scottw

10-12-2021, 03:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso View Post

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many
this is some incredible stupidity....

Please let me know how.. I can’t wait
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you characterization is incredibly stupid, we don't have "Government or authority" killing Americans with impunity.....and we don't have Government or authority" killing Americans, particularly Americans of color with impunity....and there is no acceptance of this false notion....

honest question wayne, your hate and vitriol toward law enforcement/police is very apparent and irrational...did you have a bad experience at some point, where does this anger come from?

in each of these cases....I ask myself, if I'd done what the "victim" did, would I have had the same result?...in the case of Floyd...absolutely...if I was hopped up on drugs driving around, did something that required the police to be called and the resisted arrest to the extent that they had to pin me to the ground to control and cuff me and I hit my head or in Floyds case,
The police caused George Floyd’s death, but drugs and heart disease played a role, the medical examiner says.
....you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision apparently but Floyd also paid the price for what were apparently decades of bad decisions including all of the bad decisions HE made THAT day...have you ever tried to restrain someone that was 6'7" and crazy on drugs?

we can go case by case....there is a reason that in most of these cases the police are not found guilty and it's not due to systemic racism and not the result cops driving around targeting people of color with impunity

the Wendy's shooting in Atlanta, was another....if I'd done what that guy did...yup, I'd expect to get shot

if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be....

unfortunately we have a lot of people running around making bad decisions and thinking that there won't be consequences

you can go ahead and take that to mean I accept Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race:hihi:

Got Stripers

10-12-2021, 05:48 AM

Wow talk about stupidity Scott or should I say holding the line, you really think he needed a knee on his neck for that long to subdue him? You are the mirror image of that cops mentality with that post. You’d have fit right in where the Celtic legend Bill Russell couldn’t buy a house.

A little history. Back when America was "great," this man couldn't buy a house in my home town of Wakefield, Massachusetts. He bought one in Reading, next door, where one night a band of Americans broke in, stole his valuables, smashed his trophies, and #^&#^&#^&#^& inside the covers of his and his wife's bed. Yes, #^&#^&#^&#^& on his bed. And every game, he stood stoically for the anthem, looking around at thousands of white faces as they boasted of the "land of the free and the home of the brave."
I could live in Wakefield. But Bill Russell, the greatest player in the history of basketball, the man in this picture wearing his Presidential Medal of Freedom, couldn't.
Don't let anyone tell you there's no such thing as white privilege. Don't let any government official, especially a president, tell you or anyone else when it is appropriate to stand, sit, or kneel in protest. And most of all, don't fall for this MAGA bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

scottw

10-12-2021, 06:11 AM

Wow talk about stupidity Scott or should I say holding the line, you really think he needed a knee on his neck for that long to subdue him?
.

you don't read very well....

"you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision"

scottw

10-12-2021, 06:14 AM

It’s like making sugar cookies then throwing in a handful of chocolate chips .. and saying I didn’t change anything it’s still a cookie

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this sounds racist

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 06:14 AM

you don't read very well....

"you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision"

well yeah but if you read between the lines, you’re saying the cop is a hero.
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Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 06:16 AM

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 06:27 AM

Jim when you use your black on black crime line to distract from talking about police brutality.

It’s like making sugar cookies then throwing in a handful of chocolate chips .. and saying I didn’t change anything it’s still a cookie

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i’m not mentioning black on black crime to deflect away from the police. people
with IQs above 65 can think about two things at once. im sorry if you don’t fall into that category.

but we can prioritize.

i mention black on black crime ( and the fact that the left refuses to discuss it) to prove that the left doesn’t really care about black lives. the left is only interested in black deaths which help them win elections, and only deaths at the hands of white cops ( a minuscule percentage of black homicide victims) help
democrats win elections.

Democrats want blacks to stay right where they are. in the cities, in huge numbers, completely dependent on government to survive, with no hope of large scale upward economic mobility. because democrats are afraid if they all
move into the middle class, they’ll vote republican. democrats have replaced 1830s plantations with today’s failing cities. and any black who dares wander off the reservation to identify as a republican, s branded an uncle tom sellout. try making that wrong.

Thats why democrats like all you here, refuse to talk about black on black crime, and things like fatherlessness, which is by far the first thing that needs to be addressed. it’s why you’re all opposed to school choice, despite referring to yourself as pro choice, an idiotic title to bestie upon yourselves. you desperately want them to fail to thrive, so they can remain a reliable
voting block.

liberals see what’s going on in the cities today, and conclude blacks need more of the same. conservatives look at what’s going on in the cities and say that what we’re doing isn’t working, these people deserve better. which is obviously why we advocate for school choice.
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Pete F.

10-12-2021, 06:53 AM

conservatives look at what’s going on in the cities and say that what we’re doing isn’t working, these people deserve better. which is obviously why we advocate for school choice.
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Just NIMBY

As you said before:
“No, because many people work their butts off to be able to move from Hartford to West Hartford specifically for the schools, and they deserve that.”
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Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 06:57 AM

Just NIMBY

As you said before:
“No, because many people work their butts off to be able to move from Hartford to West Hartford specifically for the schools, and they deserve that.”
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who says not in my backyard? that may be your instinctive reaction, and it’s probably a big reason why liberals oppose school choice. That’s your racism, keep it to yourself please.

i clarified my comment you posted ( you conveniently forgot that) to say that i’m opposed to forcing suburb kids to go to school in the cities. i’m all in favor of getting good students out of the cities failing schools and into good schools. liberals are the ones who oppose that. conservatives love it.
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Pete F.

10-12-2021, 07:21 AM

who says not in my backyard? that may be your instinctive reaction, and it’s probably a big reason why liberals oppose school choice. That’s your racism, keep it to yourself please.

i clarified my comment you posted ( you conveniently forgot that) to say that i’m opposed to forcing suburb kids to go to school in the cities. i’m all in favor of getting good students out of the cities failing schools and into good schools. liberals are the ones who oppose that. conservatives love it.
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But you’re the one who decided that it would become “forced busing”
Redlining and exclusionary zoning is just the workaround
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Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 07:37 AM

But you’re the one who decided that it would become “forced busing”
Redlining and exclusionary zoning is just the workaround
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not sure why this is going too fast for you, but i’m all
in favor of letting city kids choose to divert their tax dollars to get seats in better schools.

That’s pretty simple. if you still don’t get it, that’s your issue, not mine. perhaps try loosening the straps in your tim foil hat. if i could put it in a pop-up book for guy I would, maybe that would help you understand.

it doesn’t necessarily mean forcing suburb kids to cities. but sometimes it leads to that. here in CT, they have talked about regionalizing schools. No thanks.

Liberals oppose school choice. Conservatives love school choice.

Going too fast for you?
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Pete F.

10-12-2021, 08:27 AM

not sure why this is going too fast for you, but i’m all
in favor of letting city kids choose to divert their tax dollars to get seats in better schools.

That’s pretty simple. if you still don’t get it, that’s your issue, not mine. perhaps try loosening the straps in your tim foil hat. if i could put it in a pop-up book for guy I would, maybe that would help you understand.

it doesn’t necessarily mean forcing suburb kids to cities. but sometimes it leads to that. here in CT, they have talked about regionalizing schools. No thanks. NIMBY

Liberals oppose school choice. Conservatives love school choice.

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Oddly enough, Vermont has school choice.

So it looks like you are wrong, or just mislead again and reciting propaganda that fits your narrative.

And no, we are not paying for kids to go to a religion based school.

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 08:33 AM

Oddly enough, Vermont has school choice.

And no, we are not paying for kids to go to a religion based school.

So in the same post, you deny that liberals oppose school choice. Then in the next sentence, you adamantly oppose school choice.

You can’t even agree with yourself. That’s what I call howling at the moon.

Pete F.

10-12-2021, 08:47 AM

So in the same post, you deny that liberals oppose school choice. Then in the next sentence, you adamantly oppose school choice.

I oppose the use of my tax dollars to fund your religion, Jefferson and Madison did also.

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 08:58 AM

I oppose the use of my tax dollars to fund your religion, Jefferson and Madison did also.

i know you oppose it. but you also said i was lying when i said liberals oppose school choice. so you’re saying two contradictory things.

how about my tax dollars? why can’t i use my own tax dollars to send my kids to the school i think is best? why are my tax dollars forcibly taken from
me and given to schools i would t choose to send my kids to? and much of that money goes to teachers unions, who donate it to democrat political campaigns and to planned parenthood. so it’s unfair for your tax dollars to fund things you don’t like, but ok if my tax dollars go to causes i don’t like.

Jim: liberals oppose school choice.

Pete: no they don’t, you’re lying!

Jim: so you support school choice?

Pete: No!

like taking to a three year old.
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Pete F.

10-12-2021, 09:49 AM

i know you oppose it. but you also said i was lying when i said liberals oppose school choice. so you’re saying two contradictory things. I said Vermont has school choice, and by your definition it is a liberal state. If that makes you a liar :huh:

how about my tax dollars? why can’t i use my own tax dollars to send my kids to the school i think is best? why are my tax dollars forcibly taken from
me and given to schools i would t choose to send my kids to? and much of that money goes to teachers unions, who donate it to democrat political campaigns and to planned parenthood. so it’s unfair for your tax dollars to fund things you don’t like, but ok if my tax dollars go to causes i don’t like.

For the same reason the rest of us can't use our tax dollars as we choose.

Jim: liberals oppose school choice.

Pete: no they don’t, you’re lying!

Jim: so you support school choice?

Pete: No!

like taking to a three year old.
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Once again the mistress of false equivalence demonstrates a complete lack of comprehension

You only like the Constitution when it fits your desires, perhaps the latest appointees will decide it says what you want.

Got Stripers

10-12-2021, 01:29 PM

you don't read very well....

"you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision"

I read enough to prompt my response, here is what you posted, which suggested the cop was justified.

I ask myself, if I'd done what the "victim" did, would I have had the same result?...in the case of Floyd...absolutely..

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 01:55 PM

Once again the mistress of false equivalence demonstrates a complete lack of comprehension

You only like the Constitution when it fits your desires, perhaps the latest appointees will decide it says what you want.

"I said Vermont has school choice, and by your definition it is a liberal state. If that makes you a liar"

Right, right. If I say "liberals oppose school choice", and you can find a liberal who doesn't oppose school choice, that makes me a liar. So you're also lying if you say "conservatives oppose abortion", because there are some who support abortion. My fault, I sometimes forget how stupid you are. We can't accurately state the general positions the two parties have. Because you don't comprehend it.

"For the same reason the rest of us can't use our tax dollars as we choose."

No no, you are lying! Because there are some places that allow school choice, including the use of tax dollars at religious schools. Liar! In fact, the Supreme Court (Zelman case) specifically upheld this as constitutional. Got any more falsehoods to spew? Do you ever stop making stuff up? Look up the Zelman case, tell me what it said?

Your side just doesn't want those blacks to succeed, any more than they wanted them to escape plantations in the 1800s..

You don't get invited to too many MENSA picnics, do you?

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 02:02 PM

Jim, you ask pretty banal questions.

And you give swell answers, like

the capital police officer was beaten to death.

Warren didn't flip any foreclosures.

Teachers contracts don't guarantee that all teachers with the same seniority and credentials get the same pay.

Those are some real gems.

Pete F.

10-12-2021, 02:50 PM

"I said Vermont has school choice, and by your definition it is a liberal state. If that makes you a liar"

Right, right. If I say "liberals oppose school choice", and you can find a liberal who doesn't oppose school choice, that makes me a liar. So you're also lying if you say "conservatives oppose abortion", because there are some who support abortion. My fault, I sometimes forget how stupid you are. We can't accurately state the general positions the two parties have. Because you don't comprehend it.

"For the same reason the rest of us can't use our tax dollars as we choose."

No no, you are lying! Because there are some places that allow school choice, including the use of tax dollars at religious schools. Liar! In fact, the Supreme Court (Zelman case) specifically upheld this as constitutional. Got any more falsehoods to spew? Do you ever stop making stuff up? Look up the Zelman case, tell me what it said?

Your side just doesn't want those blacks to succeed, any more than they wanted them to escape plantations in the 1800s.. You're still missing that history lesson about the Southern Strategy

You don't get invited to too many MENSA picnics, do you?

You obviously don't live in Vermont, where paying for school choice is currently under litigation.

The State Board took care to emphasize in its ruling that the order is not setting a precedent. The constitutional principles that govern the appeals are “complicated and not fully settled,” the board wrote, adding later that it could not, “in this context, provide any binding direction to school districts.”

Here's a pretty good lesson about the Southern strategy and how it worked.

https://www.facingsouth.org/2021/01/political-scientist-angie-maxwell-countering-long-southern-strategy

wdmso

10-12-2021, 03:28 PM

Quote:

you characterization is incredibly stupid, we don't have "Government or authority" killing Americans with impunity.....and we don't have Government or authority" killing Americans, particularly Americans of color with impunity....and there is no acceptance of this false notion...

seem you need a definition lesion like Jim in the context of the topic

impunity.

exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.

Seeing you don’t understand what it means in the context of the topic

Here is another.

Qualified immunity is a defense that law enforcement and other government officials can raise in response to lawsuits seeking monetary damages for alleged civil rights violations. ... Critics argue this high bar effectively shields law enforcement from accountability So if your a cop you're a representative of the Government..

honest question wayne, your hate and vitriol toward law enforcement/police is very apparent and irrational...did you have a bad experience at some point, where does this anger come from?

I have no hate or Vitriol towards law enforcement if you recall I did 32 years as a corrections officer and shift commander in a prison.. So I have a ton of experience on use of force and wore a sidearm taser in plain clothes in public Transporting Inmates all over the State .. I do have much vitriol for thoses who see shootings of unarmed people or clear uses of excessive force and staff who knowingly and willing use excessive force.. then excuse it with the line they should have just done what they were told .... wanting Accountability is not dislike for police .. unless your a conservative

in each of these cases....I ask myself, if I'd done what the "victim" did, would I have had the same result?...in the case of Floyd...absolutely...if I was hopped up on drugs driving around, did something that required the police to be called and the resisted arrest to the extent that they had to pin me to the ground to control and cuff me and I hit my head or in Floyds case,
The police caused George Floyd’s death, but drugs and heart disease played a role, the medical examiner says.
....you can argue the cop was wrong there's no argument in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision that was far beyond a poor decision but keep up the defense apparently but Floyd also paid the price for what were apparently decades of bad decisions including all of the bad decisions HE made THAT day...have you ever tried to restrain someone that was 6'7" and crazy on drugs? yes I have and guess what A knee on the neck was never allowed

we can go case by case....there is a reason that in most of these cases the police are not found guilty and it's not due to systemic racism and not the result cops driving around targeting people of color with impunity.. its called Qualified immunity

the Wendy's shooting in Atlanta, was another....if I'd done what that guy did...yup, I'd expect to get shot.. what while running away? he had a taser as dangerous as a can of pepper spray so he deserved to be shot ok

if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be.... please define Bad things but once you are restrained force is required to stop

unfortunately we have a lot of people running around making bad decisions and thinking that there won't be consequences some are cops or the former POTUS

you can go ahead and take that to mean I accept Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race:hihi:

Boston police arrested a Black man having a stroke.

Boston police did find Copeland slumped in his car and barely conscious in front of the Berklee College of Music. But instead of calling an ambulance, they arrested him. They wrote in their report that they smelled alcohol,

It was one of a series of errors that night that ultimately led to a $1.3 million settlement with the city, one of the largest of its kind in recent years. https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/12/boston-police-arrest-police-misconduct-settlement..

Police fired 24 shots at a handcuffed man. Why didn't they turn on their body cameras? PS he was running away they said he had a gun but clearly no in his hands

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-fired-24-shots-handcuffed-man-why-didn-t-they-n1264887

Sorry Police need to held accountable shooting unarmed people because you thought they had a gun and that's your defense you shouldn't be a Cop..

even in a combat zone I couldn't shoot an Iraqi because I thought he had a gun .. I am sure some did ..

wdmso

10-12-2021, 03:34 PM

i’m not mentioning black on black crime to deflect away from the police. people
with IQs above 65 can think about two things at once. im sorry if you don’t fall into that category.

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ok jim you win i can't defeat your idiocy :sleeps: next time we talk about a topic .. I'll start talking about tuna fishing even if it's not relevant .. Just to prove . I can talk about 2 different things at the same time :rotflmao:

Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 03:58 PM

ok jim you win i can't defeat your idiocy :sleeps: next time we talk about a topic .. I'll start talking about tuna fishing even if it's not relevant .. Just to prove . I can talk about 2 different things at the same time :rotflmao:

According to Spence, 13 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2019. According to the FBI, 8,600 blacks were homicide victims in 2020/

I say we should work to address police brutality and black on black crime, but that we should allocate resources and energy to those problems according to the magnitude of each issue. One issue claims 660 times more black lives than the other.

You say it's "idiocy" to give any weight to the difference in magnitude of those crises. You are entitled to that opinion.

spence

10-12-2021, 04:01 PM

According to Spence, 13 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2019.
I didn't say that.

wdmso

10-12-2021, 05:58 PM

this sounds racist

Actually I thought the same thing after I posted. It ..
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wdmso

10-12-2021, 06:07 PM

According to Spence, 13 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2019. According to the FBI, 8,600 blacks were homicide victims in 2020/

I say we should work to address police brutality and black on black crime, but that we should allocate resources and energy to those problems according to the magnitude of each issue. One issue claims 660 times more black lives than the other.

You say it's "idiocy" to give any weight to the difference in magnitude of those crises. You are entitled to that opinion.

Any unarmed Americans is to many no matter their Race to be killed by police.. not sure why expecting more from law enforcement is anti law enforcement to the Right? They sees accountability as a woke or a CRT suggestion .. apparently

Ps for the record your black on black crime is still irrelevant to the police brutality question.. I guess you still never read the article in the link I provided
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Jim in CT

10-12-2021, 09:14 PM

Any unarmed Americans is to many no matter their Race to be killed by police.. not sure why expecting more from law enforcement is anti law enforcement to the Right? They sees accountability as a woke or a CRT suggestion .. apparently

Ps for the record your black on black crime is still irrelevant to the police brutality question.. I guess you still never read the article in the link I provided
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“any is too many.”

i agreed and already said so.

but 13 isnt 8,600.

priorities. you ever have to set priorities, or do you always assign the same
weight to everything?

this is beyond stupid.
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Pete F.

10-12-2021, 09:55 PM

Of course, some would say we should be able to solve more than one problem at a time.

Location matters when it comes to police killings, both in U.S. states and around the world. Black persons in Oklahoma are six times more likely to be killed by police than those in Georgia. Additionally, eight of the 100 largest police departments in the United States kill black men at higher rates than the U.S. murder rate. These departments are Reno, Oklahoma City, Santa Ana, Anaheim, St. Louis City, Scottsdale, Hialeah, and Madison.

The United States, however, does not have the highest number of police killings or the highest rate of police killings per 10 million people. The United States has the fifth-highest number of police killings and the 30th-highest police killing rate per 10 million people.
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scottw

10-13-2021, 03:33 AM

I read enough to prompt my response, here is what you posted, which suggested the cop was justified.

.

not sure how you construe this into suggesting the cop was justified

he's(the cop) now paying the price for making a very poor decision

if I said Floyd was now paying the price for making a series of poor decisions by taking a lethal dose of drugs and driving his vehicle around and passing a counterfeit bill and being uncooperative with the police

does that suggest to you that I think Floyd was justified?

scottw

10-13-2021, 03:38 AM

Any unarmed Americans is to many

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this is an unreasonable standard....this is like saying any death from cancer is too many....well, in the real world...it's gonna happen

scottw

10-13-2021, 03:39 AM

even in a combat zone I couldn't shoot an Iraqi because I thought he had a gun .. I am sure some did ..

maybe we should combat train our police so they will better equipped to deal with these situations

scottw

10-13-2021, 04:06 AM

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that was far beyond a poor decision but keep up the defense

.

I'm not defending him....I said he made a very poor decision, I believe he is in jail now sentenced to 22 years for murder which is what happens when you make very poor decisions, you can also end up dead when you make very poor decisions....you seem to think he had some ulterior motivation....there were a lot of poor decisions that led up to the results of that day....

WHAT DO ATTORNEYS SAY?

Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson, in a pretrial filing, said Chauvin followed policy and “did exactly as he was trained to do.” The filing included a photo in department training materials of a trainer with a knee on the neck of an instructor playing a suspect.

Prosecutors have already put supervisory officers on the stand to testify that, even if Chauvin pinning Floyd with his knee fell within policy, doing so for 9 minutes, 29 seconds did not.

AFTER THE FACT Minneapolis agreed Friday to ban chokeholds and neck restraints by police and to require officers to try to stop any other officers they see using improper force, in the first concrete steps to remake the city’s police force since George Floyd’s death.

scottw

10-13-2021, 04:18 AM

Any unarmed Americans is to many no matter their Race to be killed by police..

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what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

scottw

10-13-2021, 04:41 AM

Jim in CT

10-13-2021, 05:28 AM

what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

a seditionist who got exactly what was coming to her.
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Jim in CT

10-13-2021, 05:31 AM

this is an unreasonable standard....this is like saying any death from cancer is too many....well, in the real world...it's gonna happen

exactly, you send cops into gravely dangerous situations, they’re pumped up and scared like anyone would be, mistakes will be made. it’s tragic, and we can try to train them better, but mistakes will be made, just like good faith mistakes are made by doctors in hospitals.

it would be nice if we could
differentiate between well intentioned mistakes ( say, Brianna Taylor where the cops walked into a barrage of fire) and murder ( like the Floyd case). and it would be nice if we didn’t always assume race was the main motive when we have no idea.

Sadly, that kind of honesty doesn’t help democrats win elections. What helps them, is pretending this issue is much worse than it actually is. And if innocent cops get killed as a result of portraying them as racist assassins, the DNC has decided that’s a price they’re willing to pay
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wdmso

10-13-2021, 06:01 AM

maybe we should combat train our police so they will better equipped to deal with these situations

Maybe .. sadly many think they are in Combat the dress like it

wdmso

10-13-2021, 06:22 AM

what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

Ah the Babbit false equivalence nonsense

I don't recall the capitol police saying they shot her because they thought she had a weapon (but would haven't been outrageous if they had).. with her hands up .. but please keep trying to suggest she wasn't actively trying to break into an area with our representatives to . with clear intent to do Harm . against orders from law enforcement to not enter...

I thought you would have said she should of complied or in your words
"if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be."

which is it ?

Almost immediately, white supremacist and anti-government extremists began trying to use Ashli Babbitt's death as a clarion call for recruits. and now Trump what a surprise

wdmso

10-13-2021, 06:31 AM

this is an unreasonable standard....this is like saying any death from cancer is too many....well, in the real world...it's gonna happen

If any one Asks for any police Standards it magically becomes an unreasonable standard

PS i can't shoot and kill you with Cancer.. but why is setting a goal for Zero cancer or zero shooting of unarmed people so controversial... its just a goal... But to even try is outrageous:huh:

wdmso

10-13-2021, 06:35 AM

exactly, you send cops into gravely dangerous situations, they’re pumped up and scared like anyone would be, mistakes will be made. it’s tragic, and we can try to train them better, but mistakes will be made, just like good faith mistakes are made by doctors in hospitals.

it would be nice if we could
differentiate between well intentioned mistakes ( say, Brianna Taylor where the cops walked into a barrage of fire) Jim they conducted a house invasion with a licensed gun owner who was defending himself and murder ( like the Floyd case). and it would be nice if we didn’t always assume race was the main motive when we have no idea.

Sadly, that kind of honesty doesn’t help democrats win elections. What helps them, is pretending this issue is much worse than it actually is. And if innocent cops get killed as a result of portraying them as racist assassins, the DNC has decided that’s a price they’re willing to pay
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Jim you are not talking about good faith mistakes . your 2 examples are not examples of good faith mistakes. talk about lack of honesty

scottw

10-13-2021, 06:54 AM

Ah the Babbit false equivalence nonsense

I don't recall the capitol police saying they shot her because they thought she had a weapon (but would haven't been outrageous if they had).. with her hands up .. but please keep trying to suggest she wasn't actively trying to break into an area with our representatives to . with clear intent to do Harm . against orders from law enforcement to not enter...

I thought you would have said she should of complied or in your words
"if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be."

which is it ?

Almost immediately, white supremacist and anti-government extremists began trying to use Ashli Babbitt's death as a clarion call for recruits. and now Trump what a surprise

yes there is no evidence that she ever had a gun or even a taser and they still shot her...

I have never argued that she shouldn't have been shot....I've repeatedly said she shouldn't have been there doing what she was doing...just like so many other examples that you like to characterize as police brutality and worse

you are remarkably inconsistent.....nice job dropping a white supremacist reference

scottw

10-13-2021, 07:00 AM

but please keep trying to suggest she wasn't actively trying to break into an area with our representatives to . with clear intent to do Harm . against orders from law enforcement to not enter...

you and GS have a remarkable ability to claim that others are trying to suggest things when there is no such suggestion.....

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what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

Pete F.

10-13-2021, 12:37 PM

Jim in CT

10-13-2021, 01:23 PM

CNN just released a new poll showing Biden at 50% approval too. The key question is: will the news media change their narrative that Biden's ratings are plummeting?
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and if CNN wasn’t so right wing, they’d be reporting that Biden’s approval ratings are closer to 80%.

sounds like you’ve got nothing to worry about Pete. Everyone loves how Biden is handling the southern border, the withdrawal
from Afghanistan literally could not have gone any better even if Sun Tzu had planned it, oil
prices are plummeting, inflation is at 0, Biden’s brain is clearly sharp as a tack, everyone has full
confidence in Kamala Harris who didn’t humiliate herself even a little bit with a cringeworthy video where she was surrounded by child actors because she knows she can’t relate to actual kids, crime in cities has disappeared, and everyone us fleeing Florida and Texas to move to California and Connecticut. It’s all going your way.
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spence

10-13-2021, 01:27 PM

lol

Jim in CT

10-13-2021, 01:42 PM

lol

Isn't everything I said true?

In addition, the capital police officer WAS beaten to death with a fire extinguisher, Warren never once profited from a foreclosure, and teachers union contracts don't guarantee that lazy gym teachers make the same salary as dedicated science teachers if they have the same number of years experience and credentials.

You said those things. You know how many times you admitted that you were wrong? Zero. Only conservatives can be wrong. Which is why you admitted there are zero actual liberal policies that you disagree with. Not a one. But you're a very serious intellectual, according to you.

Pete F.

10-13-2021, 01:49 PM

and if CNN wasn’t so right wing, they’d be reporting that Biden’s approval ratings are closer to 80%.

sounds like you’ve got nothing to worry about Pete. Everyone loves how Biden is handling the southern border, the withdrawal
from Afghanistan literally could not have gone any better even if Sun Tzu had planned it, oil
prices are plummeting, inflation is at 0, Biden’s brain is clearly sharp as a tack, everyone has full
confidence in Kamala Harris who didn’t humiliate herself even a little bit with a cringeworthy video where she was surrounded by child actors because she knows she can’t relate to actual kids, crime in cities has disappeared, and everyone us fleeing Florida and Texas to move to California and Connecticut. It’s all going your way.
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Well, at least you’ve moved on from but her emails

Just repeat what the Trumplican machine says like a good little puppet.
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Jim in CT

10-13-2021, 01:57 PM

Well, at least you’ve moved on from but her emails

Just repeat what the Trumplican machine says like a good little puppet.
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My 10 year old could read your posts, and know that you're a small, terrified little man who is desperately trying to convince himself of something that even he knows isn't true. People who are confident in their beliefs, don't behave remotely like the way you do.

Bitch slapped.

wdmso

10-13-2021, 02:02 PM

yes there is no evidence that she ever had a gun or even a taser and they still shot her... who said she had a gun or a taser the capitol police never said they thought she had a gun as the reason they shot her.. guess you missed that part. but you think they were all unarmed anyway

I have never argued that she shouldn't have been shot....I've repeatedly said she shouldn't have been there doing what she was doing...just like so many other examples that you like to characterize as police brutality and worse

you are remarkably inconsistent.....nice job dropping a white supremacist reference

like Jim you need to expand your reading list

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/who-shot-ashli-babbitt-inside-the-effort-to-make-a-january-6-martyr-right-wing-paul-gosar-donald-trump-white-supremacist-anti-semitic-qanon/65-6641f710-99d0-42ba-b657-4c568e132ef1

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/ashli-babbitt-capitol-president-trump.html

How Ashli Babbitt went from Capitol rioter to Trump-embraced ‘martyr’

In the months since Jan. 6, Trump and his allies have waged a fevered campaign to rewrite the narrative of one of the darkest days in the nation’s history, when a mob attacked the Capitol, threatening to kill Vice President Mike Pence and using baseball bats and flagpoles to beat police officers as they hunted for lawmakers, many of whom hid behind locked doors, fearing for their lives.

Inside the Capitol siege: How barricaded lawmakers and aides sounded urgent pleas for help as police lost control

41 minutes of fear: A video timeline from inside the Capitol siege
The Post obtained hours of video footage, some exclusively, and placed it within a digital 3-D model of the building. (TWP)
Yet, instead of marauders invading the Capitol, Trump and his acolytes describe a largely peaceful crowd of protesters unfairly maligned and persecuted by prosecutors, Democrats and mainstream journalists.

At the center of their revisionism is Babbitt, their martyr, whose fatal attempt to leap through a door that led to the House chamber — captured in graphic detail on video — they describe as a heroic act of patriotism.

:kewl: