I can't take a screen shot for some reason, but that's the headline this morning on Yahoo.

I figured some folks here (1) would want to know, and (2) wouldn't know based on where they get their news.

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"During the past two months, however, Florida’s daily average has plummeted by more than 90 percent, to about 1,700 cases, or eight for every 100,000 residents. That’s roughly half of California’s current COVID rate and less than a quarter of Vermont’s."

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Florida COVID Cases Among Lowest in Country Two Months After Record High Surge. https://www.newsweek.com/florida-covid-cases-among-lowest-country-two-months-after-record-high-surge-1639985

Again posting a half truth
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of course, when florida’s numbers were high, that was a sign that desantis was incompetent, and the same people who said so, will obviously not say desantis gets any credit for the decrease.

which is why guy can’t judge someone in a couple
of months, even if those months really help make the political
point you’re trying to make.

i also saw that there have been the usual number of white cops shootings unarmed blacks in 2021, but for some reason the media and al sharpton aren’t screaming about systemic racism every time
it happens. by an amazing coincidence, people stopped caring about those things the same day that Biden was inaugurated. just a coincidence.
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Did you bother to read the article?
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I can't take a screen shot for some reason, but that's the headline this morning on Yahoo.

I figured some folks here (1) would want to know, and (2) wouldn't know based on where they get their news.

.from yahoo...

"During the past two months, however, Florida’s daily average has plummeted by more than 90 percent, to about 1,700 cases, or eight for every 100,000 residents. That’s roughly half of California’s current COVID rate and less than a quarter of Vermont’s."


Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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Did you bother to read the article?
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of course, written by a liberal hack. the author gave all the reasons why desantis deserves no credit for the drop, because these things are cyclical. but if that’s true, it’s also necessarily true that desantis deserves no blame for the summer spike

the left, as always, wants it both ways. when the numbers are bad, desantis is at fault. when the numbers improve, he gets no credit.

does that make sense to you, spence?

desantis didn’t keep
numbers down, except that the state did a good job with their many seniors ( guy know, not forcing nursing homes to admit sick people). what desantis did, is show that there may very well be no benefit at all, to the brutal business lockdowns and disastrous school closures.
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Did you bother to read the article?
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Does he ever?
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Just hold your hands over your ears and scream:huh:

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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Just hold your hands over your ears and scream:huh:

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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The cause and effect did exist and still does.

But life only counts prior to birth for you.

The cause and effect did exist and still does.

But life only counts prior to birth for you.

"The cause and effect did exist and still does"

Which means you give Desantis credit for the plummeting covid numbers in Florida.

"But life only counts prior to birth for you"

A very common, desperate attack from liberals. Except the data clearly shows that conservatives are as likely ( slightly more likely, to be more accurate) to donate time and money to charity, than liberals. How on Earth do you reconcile that, with your desperate wish to paint conservatives as callous?

Does he ever?
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I read every word. It proved my point, that for political reasons, you will all say Desantis is responsible when Floridas numbers go up, but none if you have sh*t to say when Floridas numbers are the best in the nation.

Now, if theres a reason for that double standard other than partisan politics, well, we're all ears.

"The cause and effect did exist and still does"

Which means you give Desantis credit for the plummeting covid numbers in Florida.

"But life only counts prior to birth for you"

A very common, desperate attack from liberals. Except the data clearly shows that conservatives are as likely ( slightly more likely, to be more accurate) to donate time and money to charity, than liberals. How on Earth do you reconcile that, with your desperate wish to paint conservatives as callous?

That would be the data from One study and consumption philanthropy is quite different than a food bank or homeless shelter. It works like this:

Nike's Phil Knight gave $1.6 billion to his foundation in 2018
*$1.26B was tax deductible
*Made up 2.8% of his net worth
*Used donation to push U of Oregon to cut ties with sweatshop monitoring group

As long as you’re willing to give DeathSantis credit for 40,000 unnecessary deaths

Meanwhile the tweet from Phil Scott

The data is clear: vaccines work. Throughout the Delta wave, the most vaccinated states have seen significantly fewer hospitalizations and fatalities. VT has stood out even among the most vaccinated places. Thousands of Vermonters get vaccinated every week. Join them.

The tweet from DeathSantis

1. Your livelihood should not be dependent upon whether you get a COVID shot. This is a personal decision.
2. The Biden Vaccine Mandate is unconstitutional, and we have a responsibility to fight back as a state.
3. Vaccine mandates are bad for the economy.
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of course, written by a liberal hack.
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You were all proud of you headline !

What happened?"
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That would be the data from One study and consumption philanthropy is quite different than a food bank or homeless shelter. It works like this:

Nike's Phil Knight gave $1.6 billion to his foundation in 2018
*$1.26B was tax deductible
*Made up 2.8% of his net worth
*Used donation to push U of Oregon to cut ties with sweatshop monitoring group

As long as you’re willing to give DeathSantis credit for 40,000 unnecessary deaths

Meanwhile the tweet from Phil Scott

The data is clear: vaccines work. Throughout the Delta wave, the most vaccinated states have seen significantly fewer hospitalizations and fatalities. VT has stood out even among the most vaccinated places. Thousands of Vermonters get vaccinated every week. Join them.

The tweet from DeathSantis

1. Your livelihood should not be dependent upon whether you get a COVID shot. This is a personal decision.
2. The Biden Vaccine Mandate is unconstitutional, and we have a responsibility to fight back as a state.
3. Vaccine mandates are bad for the economy.
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One shady guy, Phil Knight, skews the whole data set. Gotcha.

Pete, what's your evidence that conservatives stop caring when the baby is born?

And there is a huge difference between being opposed to the vaccine, and being opposed to being forced to take a vaccine. Those are two very different things, even if you can't distinguish them.

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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Wayne, can you agree that Desantis is equally responsible for the good months his state has, as the bad months? Or is he only responsible for the bad months?

Wayne, can you agree that Desantis is equally responsible for the good months his state has, as the bad months? Or is he only responsible for the bad months?

By that measure, if he’d succeeded in killing everyone he’d be perfect.
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By that measure, if he’d succeeded in killing everyone he’d be perfect.
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how the hell did you arrive at that?

i didn’t say he gets praise for the bad days. i said, since you all seemed to clearly think he was responsible for the bad days this summer, why isn’t he equally responsible for the great results now? according to your logic, he gets blame
for the bad days but no credit for the good days. how does that make sense?

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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One shady guy, Phil Knight, skews the whole data set. Gotcha.

Pete, what's your evidence that conservatives stop caring when the baby is born?

And there is a huge difference between being opposed to the vaccine, and being opposed to being forced to take a vaccine. Those are two very different things, even if you can't distinguish them.

Oh, nobody else would do that. K

My evidence that conservatives stop caring is quite similar to yours that liberals are responsible for inner cities.

And there’s a big difference between Scott’s and DeathSantis’ approaches, like 5X as many dead people.
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how the hell did you arrive at that?

i didn’t say he gets praise for the bad days. i said, since you all seemed to clearly think he was responsible for the bad days this summer, why isn’t he equally responsible for the great results now? according to your logic, he gets blame
for the bad days but no credit for the good days. how does that make sense?

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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Pretty simple
His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity.
If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate.
Hurrah
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you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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I didn’t say that paternity leave was the answer, what I said was:
“You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.”
Do I need to explain a Venn diagram?
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Just hold your hands over your ears and scream:huh:

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

Didn't he previously argue that the total #s from inception were the most important thing?

Pretty simple
His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity.
If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate.
Hurrah
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"His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity."

and the fact that his bad months were summer, when its too hot to be outside in FL and everyone is stuck inside, had noting whatsoever to do with the summer spike in covid cases.

"If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate."

Well that's not what happened, is it? So we know that's not driving the improvement.

Amazing, you all gave Cuomo a complete free pass for everything, Desantis can't do anything right. That's just a coincidence, not a political tactic.

Didn't he previously argue that the total #s from inception were the most important thing?

I did argue that, and I stand by that.

You snowflakes were hyper-focused on short-term numbers. When Floridas numbers were bad, you were all gleefully posting the weekly data. Then all of a sudden - poof! - you all stopped. You all stopped at the same exact time, and by an amazing coincidence, that just happened to be when Floridas numbers got better.

I'm not very impressed by any very short term results, they're too volatile. It was you and your fellow lefties here, who made it clear that weekly results were what mattered. Well unless you were all full of sh*t, these weekly results also matter.

I'm being consistent. You're all flip-flopping.

Let's go, Brandon!

I did argue that, and I stand by that.

You snowflakes were hyper-focused on short-term numbers. When Floridas numbers were bad, you were all gleefully posting the weekly data. Then all of a sudden - poof! - you all stopped. You all stopped at the same exact time, and by an amazing coincidence, that just happened to be when Floridas numbers got better.

I'm not very impressed by any very short term results, they're too volatile. It was you and your fellow lefties here, who made it clear that weekly results were what mattered. Well unless you were all full of sh*t, these weekly results also matter.

I'm being consistent. You're all flip-flopping.

Let's go, Brandon!

The short term numbers are what you have a chance of controlling a pandemic with.

If you had a mass murderer in a place with a population of 22 million and each day he killed three hundred and fifty of them, would that be alright?
You would be screaming to eliminate civil rights until he was found, just like the Patriot Act.
If Covid was a Muslim all the conservatives would be wearing masks, getting vaccinated and have Covid hunter bumper stickers

The short term numbers are what you have a chance of controlling a pandemic with.

If you had a mass murderer in a place with a population of 22 million and each day he killed three hundred and fifty of them, would that be alright?
You would be screaming to eliminate civil rights until he was found, just like the Patriot Act.
If Covid was a Muslim all the conservatives would be wearing masks, getting vaccinated and have Covid hunter bumper stickers

ok. so why did you give cuomo a complete pass when he was forcing nursing homes to admit residents who were sick with a disease that we all knew would target the elderly?

and then he fished the numbers

and still, everyone sang his praises, he got a book deal, he got an Emmy.

if short term numbers are important, which is your claim, you should
be happily posting that florida’s numbers are improving. but you aren’t posting that, because you want fodida to have bad numbers so desantis isn’t a political threat to the alzheimer’s patient we have now.

Furthermore, Florida’s numbers were pretty good all along, until this summer. Yet you never posted anything about florida until the cases spiked. how come?
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Let's go, Brandon!

Classy Guy.

ok. so why did you give cuomo a complete pass when he was forcing nursing homes to admit residents who were sick with a disease that we all knew would target the elderly?

and then he fished the numbers

and still, everyone sang his praises, he got a book deal, he got an Emmy.

if short term numbers are important, which is your claim, you should
be happily posting that florida’s numbers are improving. but you aren’t posting that, because you want fodida to have bad numbers so desantis isn’t a political threat to the alzheimer’s patient we have now.

Furthermore, Florida’s numbers were pretty good all along, until this summer. Yet you never posted anything about florida until the cases spiked. how come?
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You can look up my comments on Cuomo:

"Cuomo is now only able to attain praise for his actions because his earlier failures made those actions necessary. Of course, part of this is because Donald Trump has bungled the coronavirus response even more badly, so that Cuomo – by not being a complete buffoon – looks like a capable statesman by contrast."

NY did worse at first and learned how to do better so passing NY in deaths by all measures is nothing to be proud of, as to the rest of your rant maybe Scott can fix your spelling and grammar

Classy Guy.

snowflake guy.

you use the word retarded, you insist there’s nothing wrong with it. but this goes too far.
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snowflake guy.

you use the word retarded, you insist there’s nothing wrong with it. but this goes too far.
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Right I did use that word. To mock all you classless Conserv. who always say they are better than Liberals but thought Trump mocking a handicapped reporter was the best thing they ever saw. You yourself just defended Trump a few weeks ago by saying he did the same thing to Rubio or Cruz.

snowflake guy.

you use the word retarded, you insist there’s nothing wrong with it. but this goes too far.
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Since you are getting all butthurt again, before people became "developmentally disadvantaged" they were called "retarded" with various classifications like mild, moderate or severe and profound and prior to that the same people were called "feebleminded" and their increasingly severe developmental disabilities were classified as "morons", "imbeciles", and "idiots".

Didn't you write these?

once that imbecile socialist from Queens arrives.

only an idiot thinks the president has everything to do with it. and only an idiot thinks he nothing to do with it.

So a bridge too far is moron (or is it imbecile) but Pussy is ok?

AOC is a moron

Right I did use that word. To mock all you classless Conserv. who always say they are better than Liberals but thought Trump mocking a handicapped reporter was the best thing they ever saw. You yourself just defended Trump a few weeks ago by saying he did the same thing to Rubio or Cruz.

donuts on for you to use what is very commonly accepted to be a hateful term to address those with whom you disagree…that’s on. but it’s wrong when anyone else does it.

got it.

as to trump and the reporter, we discussed this multiple times. IF trump
was making fun of the guys handicap, that’s vile. however, there’s actual video evidence of Trump using the same exact physical gestures multiple times over the years, to make fun of people he didn’t like. so there’s a very good chance that’s what he was doing, and had no idea if the guys condition.

that has nothing to do with you being offended by let’s go brandon. paul, once you start acting like a jerk ( and we all have here) you lose your right to then act like you have delicate sensitivities.

can’t have it both ways.

never said trumps
mocking the reporter was the best thing i ever saw. even if teump wasn’t making fun of his condition ( very possible), it’s still a stupid, juvenile, undignified thing to do.

anyway, grow a pair and suck it up, because you’re going to hear let’s go brandon a lot between now and the midterms.
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Since you are getting all butthurt again, before people became "developmentally disadvantaged" they were called "retarded" with various classifications like mild, moderate or severe and profound and prior to that the same people were called "feebleminded" and their increasingly severe developmental disabilities were classified as "morons", "imbeciles", and "idiots".
Yes, but it's really only used today in clinical settings or by people who need to level up. Jim says plenty of offensive things I don't think you need to try and compete.

thought Trump mocking a handicapped reporter was the best thing they ever saw.

who exactly said it was the best thing they ever saw?

Yes, but it's really only used today in clinical settings or by people who need to level up. Jim says plenty of offensive things I don't think you need to try and compete.

and you've never once said anything directly disrespectful to anyone here, just because they dare to disagree with you.

If we want to all grow up, let's grow up, but you can't demand it from everyone else and still act like a jerk.

who exactly said it was the best thing they ever saw?

All of us!!!

donuts on for you to use what is very commonly accepted to be a hateful term to address those with whom you disagree…that’s on. but it’s wrong when anyone else does it.

got it.

as to trump and the reporter, we discussed this multiple times. IF trump
was making fun of the guys handicap, that’s vile. however, there’s actual video evidence of Trump using the same exact physical gestures multiple times over the years, to make fun of people he didn’t like. so there’s a very good chance that’s what he was doing, and had no idea if the guys condition.he met with the guy before so he knew exactly what his handicap was.

that has nothing to do with you being offended by let’s go brandon. You don't think its bad when whole groups of people say it on TV/events?paul, once you start acting like a jerk ( and we all have here) you lose your right to then act like you have delicate sensitivities.

can’t have it both ways.

never said trumps
mocking the reporter was the best thing i ever saw. even if teump wasn’t making fun of his condition ( very possible), it’s still a stupid, juvenile, undignified thing to do. you shouldn't try to defend him. Just like I don't try to defend when others say vile things about Trump or anyone else.

anyway, grow a pair and suck it up, because you’re going to hear let’s go brandon a lot between now and the midterms.
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Still classless. No different from someone saying it about Trump. The difference is there are far more people saying now then would say vile things about Trump.

Since you are getting all butthurt again, before people became "developmentally disadvantaged" they were called "retarded" [/I]

Yes Pete, I know that word was common before. and before blacks were called "blacks", the were called n*ggers. Like the word "retard", the overwhelming majority of us stay away from words that are obviously hurtful to others. Paul chose not to avoid using those words, and adamantly defended himself, I guess because he has sufficient dislike for those who disagree with him, it's OK for him to use words that 99% of the country would never use, even directed at people they really don't happen to like. Whatever, it's a free country, his choice.

Yes I said those things. I don't know that calling a someone an imbecile, is the same thing as calling someone a retard. I'm pretty sure you're the only person in the world who'd equate those things.

Still classless. No different from someone saying it about Trump. The difference is there are far more people saying now then would say vile things about Trump.

"he met with the guy before so he knew exactly what his handicap was."

I don't read minds well. We also know that Trump has a documented history (literally, documented on video) of using those same exact gestures to make fun of others. So we don't know. IF he was mocking the guys disability, I completely agree with you about how awful it was.

"You don't think its bad when whole groups of people say it on TV/events?"

Not worse than a thousand things that have been said about many, many others. Not worse than the things CNN said about Nick Sandman, for example.

"Just like I don't try to defend when others say vile things about Trump or anyone else."

You don't? 5 minutes ago, you defended yourself for using the word retard. Jeez, man, get over yourself.

"Just like I don't try to defend when others say vile things about Trump or anyone else."

You don't? 5 minutes ago, you defended yourself for using the word retard. Jeez, man, get over yourself.

He was flailing his arms the same way the reporter does so there is no doubt he was mocking the reporters handicap. And yes I did use the word retard once to mock you and the other conservatives who think they're high and mighty yet gave Trump a pass when he mocked the handicapped person.
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but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation to prevent the spread of coivd

How can that action be seen as reducing rates

If Ron had no increase in cases or FLA covid case stayed steady of a period of time then you’ll have data points to support Ron got it right

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ? Compared to other states. More red state blue state simpleton argument But Fla did have mask mandates and lockdowns just not promoted by the Governor but local officials
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Fox anchor Neil Cavuto urged viewers to get vaccinated. Then came the death threats

Funny how that works .. and is a shining example of Ron and other Republicans strategies play to the lowest minds in the base
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Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation….

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ?

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They didn’t “do nothing” in Florida

“So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season”.

“We have a summer season here, just like last year,” DeSantis said. “It started a little later this year. So you’re going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it goes back and goes the different waves. If you’re vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact you in any significant way and I think that’s the important message for people.”

Gov. DeSantis praised Florida’s vaccine rollout and its choice to prioritize seniors getting the shot first, and acknowledged the slower uptake of the vaccine among younger Floridians. He also reiterated that he thought it was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to pause use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a few women experienced blood clots. Florida followed the FDA and Centers for Disease Control recommendation at the time and paused the vaccine.

“I think that, that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that’s been unfortunate because I took it, I think it’s effective,” he said.
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Yes, but it's really only used today in clinical settings or by people who need to level up. Jim says plenty of offensive things I don't think you need to try and compete.

Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!

Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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They didn’t “do nothing” in Florida

“So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season”.

“We have a summer season here, just like last year,” DeSantis said. “It started a little later this year. So you’re going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it goes back and goes the different waves. If you’re vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact you in any significant way and I think that’s the important message for people.”

Gov. DeSantis praised Florida’s vaccine rollout and its choice to prioritize seniors getting the shot first, and acknowledged the slower uptake of the vaccine among younger Floridians. He also reiterated that he thought it was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to pause use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a few women experienced blood clots. Florida followed the FDA and Centers for Disease Control recommendation at the time and paused the vaccine.

“I think that, that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that’s been unfortunate because I took it, I think it’s effective,” he said.
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once again, as always, he cannot respond to what was said and done, so he responds to some crazy radical thing ( FL did “nothing”) that’s easier for him to respond to. The fact that it’s not even close to what transpired, somehow doesn’t matter to him.

“Oh so you’re saying the state should just execute all of the senior citizens up front to spew them the suffering of covid, and then sell
their organs on ebay.”.

it’s that stupid.
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Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation to prevent the spread of coivd

How can that action be seen as reducing rates

If Ron had no increase in cases or FLA covid case stayed steady of a period of time then you’ll have data points to support Ron got it right

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ? Compared to other states. More red state blue state simpleton argument But Fla did have mask mandates and lockdowns just not promoted by the Governor but local officials
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let’s stick with this. please tell us, where you got the idea that Florida took no action? Unless you lied and made that up, you must have heard that somewhere. Where did you hear that?

Doesn’t it tell you something about your position, that you constantly have to pretend that i said something i never said? you do it constantly. It would be simple for you to trash Florida if they did nothing. The problem is, they didn’t do nothing.

But you force yourself to pretend they did nothing. You’d rather feel like you won a fictional argument, than get clobbered in a valid argument. But that’s not real life.

You and Pete do this constantly, all day long.
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it’s that stupid.

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I bet they are shocked that DeSantis is vaccinated...

he's apparently "pro-anti-vaccination" or something....

I bet they are shocked that DeSantis is vaccinated...

he's apparently "pro-anti-vaccination" or something....

correct. the same desantis who enlisted the help of the Publix chain of stores to help get more people quickly vaccinated, and then they attacked him for that because publix had donated to his campaign, so the lefty media said he was just rewarding a donor.

everything he does, no matter what it is, must be wrong. they are incapable of admitting he’s doing anything well. because liberalism can never, ever be wrong, under any circumstances. they don’t merely “believe” in liberalism. they are, quite literally, enslaved by it. that’s the cult. look at the way they behave when conservatives actually beat liberals at something, which i hate to break it to them, does occasionally happen. they cannot be rational.
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let’s stick with this. please tell us, where you got the idea that Florida took no action? Unless you lied and made that up, you must have heard that somewhere. Where did you hear that?

Doesn’t it tell you something about your position, that you constantly have to pretend that i said something i never said? you do it constantly. It would be simple for you to trash Florida if they did nothing. The problem is, they didn’t do nothing.

But you force yourself to pretend they did nothing. You’d rather feel like you won a fictional argument, than get clobbered in a valid argument. But that’s not real life.

You and Pete do this constantly, all day long.
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So what actions did Ron take ?seeing I haven’t seen one example

Other than he got the shot ?
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So what actions did Ron take ?seeing I haven’t seen one example

Other than he got the shot ?
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you’re serious? youre saying you aren’t aware of a single thing he did, and therefore you’re assuming he did absolutely nothing?

to start with, he didn’t order nursing homes to admit resident who tested positive for a disease which the entire world knew would be brutal for seniors. he managed to not to that. FL has a huge elderly population, he needed to pay close attention to that.

there’s vaccine sites and testing sites all over the state, as there is in most states.

he didn’t fudge his numbers, though the cdc was caught inflating his numbers.

why do huge numbers of people
want to move there? before you say “the weather”, please keep in mind that CA has nice weather, but huge numbers of people aren’t moving there.

all states have vaccine sites and testing centers, i’m not saying he did anything unique there. but his state isn’t lagging behind.

he responded to what he saw in the data. not to the political whims of Faucci who is flip flopping all over the place. what he did do that was unique, was he responded to the data that said most people aren’t at a high risk of dying from covid. do he targeted protective actions on the seniors, and let everyone else have freedoms that aren’t available to americans in a lot of other places. that decision may turn out to be a complete disaster. but so far, it doesn’t look like it.

if he completely blew covid, people
would be fleeing the state. but the opposite is taking place. people are fleeing NY.

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you’re serious?


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he's remarkably well informed :kewl:

correct. . look at the way they behave when conservatives actually beat liberals at something,
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Every once in a while the True Jim slips out… but we have all understood it’s allways been-about owing the libs. Or red state blue state …

So by what standards do you claim victory

Because here’s a list of the top 15 highest death rates per 100k as OCT 26
Mississippi
Alabama
NJ
Louisiana
NY
AZ
MA republican governor
Arkansas
Fla. Ron’s state
RI
Georgia
Oklahoma
SC
SD
Indiana

So based this out of the top 15 states with the highest death rates per 100k 11 RED 4 are. BLUE

So if I use your play ground logic on winning and losing in the real world
Red states lost




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you’re serious? youre saying you aren’t aware of a single thing he did, and therefore you’re assuming he did absolutely nothing?

to start with, he didn’t order nursing homes to admit resident who tested positive for a disease which the entire world knew would be brutal for seniors. he managed to not to that. FL has a huge elderly population, he needed to pay close attention to that.

there’s vaccine sites and testing sites all over the state, as there is in most states.

he didn’t fudge his numbers, though the cdc was caught inflating his numbers.

why do huge numbers of people
want to move there? before you say “the weather”, please keep in mind that CA has nice weather, but huge numbers of people aren’t moving there.

all states have vaccine sites and testing centers, i’m not saying he did anything unique there. but his state isn’t lagging behind.

he responded to what he saw in the data. not to the political whims of Faucci who is flip flopping all over the place. what he did do that was unique, was he responded to the data that said most people aren’t at a high risk of dying from covid. do he targeted protective actions on the seniors, and let everyone else have freedoms that aren’t available to americans in a lot of other places. that decision may turn out to be a complete disaster. but so far, it doesn’t look like it.

if he completely blew covid, people
would be fleeing the state. but the opposite is taking place. people are fleeing NY.

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The freedom mantra

Governor Ron DeSantis. “In addition to cases, hospitalizations have plummeted in our state. This has been accomplished by making monoclonal antibody treatments and vaccines widely available throughout our state while protecting Floridians from government overreach.”

This has been Ron’s focus since Trump lost the election 2024

This is from a official FLA government website

Tallahassee, Fla. — Florida’s COVID-19 death rate is lower than the national average — without draconian lockdowns, unscientific mask mandates, or invasive vaccine passports. To discredit Governor Ron DeSantis’ successful response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the corporate media has embraced an absurd narrative for the past year, claiming that “Florida is manipulating COVID-19 data to hide the real numbers.”

Ron using government money and and government site as a campaign ad?

Governor DeSantis Stands with Parents Against Biden Administration’s Attempt to Silence Free Speech through Intimidation

That’s funny
Florida police raid home of former state Covid-19 data scientist
Look who’s trying to silence free speech through intimidation?

Still waiting on the FBI to arrest a parent
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Every once in a while the True Jim slips out… but we have all understood it’s allways been-about owing the libs. Or red state blue state …

So by what standards do you claim victory

Because here’s a list of the top 15 highest death rates per 100k as OCT 26
Mississippi
Alabama
NJ
Louisiana
NY
AZ
MA republican governor
Arkansas
Fla. Ron’s state
RI
Georgia
Oklahoma
SC
SD
Indiana

So based this out of the top 15 states with the highest death rates per 100k 11 RED 4 are. BLUE

So if I use your play ground logic on winning and losing in the real world
Red states lost




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as always, you’re responding to something i never said. i never, ever said that republicans all handled covid better than all democrats. so i just don’t know who, or what, you’re responding to.

FL has a huge number of seniors, so it’s a bit messy just comparing florida’s death rates to other states who don’t have nearly as many seniors. but even if we just do that, maybe there’s something to be said about having florida’s death rates but have businesses open and kids in school and people
living their lives, rather than implementing brutal lockdowns and improving your death rate a little?

the fact ( and it’s a fact) that massive numbers of people are moving there, tells
me that americans think he’s doing ok.

tell me, why did you all post his weekly numbers when they were awful, and stop posting his weekly. umbers when they were great?

obviously it’s because this isn’t about truth, it’s about doing whatever it takes to make him look bad.

that’s the difference between us. if his death rates were the worst in the country, i’d say he blew it and should step down. but if his death rates were the best in the country, none of you would give him any credit.


let’s see where FLs death rates are in spring, because in the winter people in FL are outside, and people
i. new england are inside. maybe that helps FL. maybe not.
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as always, you’re responding to something i never said. i never, ever said that republicans all handled covid better than all democrats.
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Conservatives actually beat liberals at something,

Your words not mine

I was responding to the logic in that statement alone

Nothing more
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as always, you’re responding to something i never said. i never, ever said that republicans all handled covid better than all democrats. so i just don’t know who, or what, you’re responding to.

FL has a huge number of seniors, so it’s a bit messy just comparing florida’s death rates to other states who don’t have nearly as many seniors. but even if we just do that, maybe there’s something to be said about having florida’s death rates but have businesses open and kids in school and people
living their lives, rather than implementing brutal lockdowns and improving your death rate a little?

the fact ( and it’s a fact) that massive numbers of people are moving there, tells
me that americans think he’s doing ok.

tell me, why did you all post his weekly numbers when they were awful, and stop posting his weekly. umbers when they were great?

obviously it’s because this isn’t about truth, it’s about doing whatever it takes to make him look bad.

that’s the difference between us. if his death rates were the worst in the country, i’d say he blew it and should step down. but if his death rates were the best in the country, none of you would give him any credit.


let’s see where FLs death rates are in spring, because in the winter people in FL are outside, and people
i. new england are inside. maybe that helps FL. maybe not.
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Nothing messy at all other than the 40 Thousand dead people in Florida who would disagree with you, if they could. That's the difference between Florida and Vermont or Maine's death rate.

Compare Florida to Vermont then for how many seniors there are,

Rank State Population Ages 65+ (percent)
1 Maine 20.6
2 Florida 20.5
3 West Virginia 19.9
4 Vermont 19.4

Maine and Vermont both are among the lowest while West Virginia is pretty squarely in the middle of number of infections and deaths for all time.
Florida makes the top 10 for deaths and cases

Conservatives actually beat liberals at something,

Your words not mine

I was responding to the logic in that statement alone

Nothing more
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read my whole sentence. i said “sometimes” conservatives beat liberals. you’re cherry-picking my words to make it seem
like i said something i didn’t say.

you just can’t avoid making stuff up. what does it say to you, that you constantly have to make stuff up, to convince yourself that i’m an idiot?

can you go ten minutes without doing that? not lately you can’t.
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read my whole sentence. i said “sometimes” conservatives beat liberals. you’re cherry-picking my words to make it seem
like i said something i didn’t say.

you just can’t avoid making stuff up. what does it say to you, that you constantly have to make stuff up, to convince yourself that i’m an idiot?

can you go ten minutes without doing that? not lately you can’t.
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Jim you change your stance more than the weather

So what was the sometimes or thing conservatives beat liberals at?

If it’s not covid response?
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Jim you change your stance more than the weather

So what was the sometimes or thing conservatives beat liberals at?

If it’s not covid response?
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i didn’t change my stance one bit. i was correcting you for mis-quoting me. i re-quoted myself. how is that changing my position, when all i did was repeat my original quote, which you misquoted in a desperate attempt to make me look dumb?

you feeling ok?
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Jim you change your stance more than the weather



i didn’t change my stance one bit. i was correcting you for mis-quoting me. i re-quoted myself. how is that changing my position?

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:rotf2:

i didn’t change my stance one bit. i was correcting you for mis-quoting me. i re-quoted myself. how is that changing my position, when all i did was repeat my original quote, which you misquoted in a desperate attempt to make me look dumb?

you feeling ok?
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Can’t answer or won’t answer what is or was thing that conservatives did to beat the Dems on the topic under discussion.
Oh the horror I left out sometimes which in no way changes your statement

Jim you said as a always, you’re responding to something i never said
What did I say you said ?
Again I just reposted what you said minus sometimes

Still waiting on what the conservatives beat the Dems at
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Still waiting on what the conservatives beat the Dems at

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how bout' collecting guns and ammo :btu:

how bout' collecting guns and ammo :btu:

Absolutely
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seems the miami herald doesnt think Rons is doing a bang up job on Covid... what a surprise actual people who live there see the madness

New state Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo represents the pompousness, the wackiness and the disregard for life and community that have become the hallmarks of Florida’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article255267086.html#storylink=cpy

Nothing can hide Florida’s descent into Crazyville. Not the “Don’t Tread on Florida” alligator signs held by Gov. Ron DeSantis’ supporters at his latest COVID-19 policy proposal announcement. Not the state’s new Ivy League-educated surgeon general, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, who, as reported by FloridaPolitics.com, refused — refused! — to wear a mask when he met with state Sen. Tina Polsky in her office in Tallahassee. The state senator, who represents parts of Broward and Palm Beach counties, has cancer.

DeSantis’ latest move, announced Thursday, is to call a special legislative session to undermine federal requirements announced by President Biden that some workers be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Among the laws he wants lawmakers to pass is making businesses liable for medical harm that results from mandatory vaccinations, even though millions of vaccines have safely been administered in the United States.


DeSantis has for months tried to walk the tight rope between pleasing anti-vaxxers and not undermining the vaccines his own administration has distributed. If there was any doubt of which side he favors, Thursday’s announcement put the nail in the coffin.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article255175642.html#storylink=cpy

seems the miami herald doesnt think Rons is doing a bang up job on Covid... what a surprise actual people who live there see the madness

New state Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo represents the pompousness, the wackiness and the disregard for life and community that have become the hallmarks of Florida’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article255267086.html#storylink=cpy

Nothing can hide Florida’s descent into Crazyville. Not the “Don’t Tread on Florida” alligator signs held by Gov. Ron DeSantis’ supporters at his latest COVID-19 policy proposal announcement. Not the state’s new Ivy League-educated surgeon general, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, who, as reported by FloridaPolitics.com, refused — refused! — to wear a mask when he met with state Sen. Tina Polsky in her office in Tallahassee. The state senator, who represents parts of Broward and Palm Beach counties, has cancer.

DeSantis’ latest move, announced Thursday, is to call a special legislative session to undermine federal requirements announced by President Biden that some workers be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Among the laws he wants lawmakers to pass is making businesses liable for medical harm that results from mandatory vaccinations, even though millions of vaccines have safely been administered in the United States.


DeSantis has for months tried to walk the tight rope between pleasing anti-vaxxers and not undermining the vaccines his own administration has distributed. If there was any doubt of which side he favors, Thursday’s announcement put the nail in the coffin.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article255175642.html#storylink=cpy

and if i post an article from a conservative paper saying he’s doing a great job, why is yours more credible?

people are moving there in huge, huge numbers. does that tell you anything?
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seems the miami herald doesnt think Rons is doing a bang up job on Covid... what a surprise actual people who live there see the madness

New state Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo represents the pompousness, the wackiness and the disregard for life and community that have become the hallmarks of Florida’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article255267086.html#storylink=cpy

Nothing can hide Florida’s descent into Crazyville. Not the “Don’t Tread on Florida” alligator signs held by Gov. Ron DeSantis’ supporters at his latest COVID-19 policy proposal announcement. Not the state’s new Ivy League-educated surgeon general, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, who, as reported by FloridaPolitics.com, refused — refused! — to wear a mask when he met with state Sen. Tina Polsky in her office in Tallahassee. The state senator, who represents parts of Broward and Palm Beach counties, has cancer.

DeSantis’ latest move, announced Thursday, is to call a special legislative session to undermine federal requirements announced by President Biden that some workers be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Among the laws he wants lawmakers to pass is making businesses liable for medical harm that results from mandatory vaccinations, even though millions of vaccines have safely been administered in the United States.


DeSantis has for months tried to walk the tight rope between pleasing anti-vaxxers and not undermining the vaccines his own administration has distributed. If there was any doubt of which side he favors, Thursday’s announcement put the nail in the coffin.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article255175642.html#storylink=cpy

that’s a very thoughtful, objective fact based article, with no political opinions at all muddying the cold hard truth.

f the state was “crazyville” people wouldn’t be moving there but they are. which pretty much means that article is left wing manure.
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