Stunning. It was stunning.

I’d have bet that the democrats were going to win in VA, and NO ONE was even talking about NJ.

The 2020 Gallup poll was clear. America hated Trumps personality, but they liked his policies. They really liked his policies.

NJ and VA, two blue states, each swung more than ten points to the right, after 10 months of democrats running DC. Who knows what that means in purple states.

I’d like to buy a beer for whoever it was on McAuluffes campaign, who thought the best speaker they could get the night before an election that had clearly turned on the heels of parents upset at schools,,was the despised president of the largest national teachers union. That was really, really smart. Spit in the faces of those PTA moms one last time right before they go to the polls.

The NJ results must have the DNC checking themselves into rehab. Biden won NJ by 16 points, one year ago.

If the democrats pass the infrastructure bill and some
kind of social welfare spending bill, they’ll have accomplishments they can point to in 2022. That is now crucial. Manchin and Sinema can name their price, whatever they want in exchange for their votes, they’re going to get.

What a disaster.

Watching MSNBC was beyond fun last night. the hosts went through the 7 stages of grief in an endless loop.

“parents shouldn’t get to tell teachers what their kids are taught.”

Teachers work for parents. That’s who pays them. It’s pretty simple. Just because these public servants give huge money to democrats, doesn’t mean you turn the boss/employee relationship upside down.

As i said, it was as if they were trying to lose.

Will democrats tell their progressive wing to shut up? or will they hit the gas harder and accelerate towards the progressive cliff? they’re not going to win anything with a platform of demonizing Trump and calling everyone racist who doesn’t agree with them.

Biden becomes the eighth consecutive new president to see the opposition party win the VA governorship in his first year

(following Carter, Reagan, GHWBush, Clinton, GWBush, Obama, Trump)

I’m sure that Youngkin will follow through with his #1 campaign promise to sign an executive order to ban CRT in VA schools.

I wonder how many voters will be surprised when it changes absolutely nothing, since it isn’t being taught in a single school.

Meanwhile stocks reach a new all-time high as the Nasdaq, Dow, and S&P 500 hit records — proving that Trump's claim Biden would "crash the stock market" was yet another lie.
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^^^^^easily triggered :hihi:

Congratulations to the winners VA proves it the candidate not their policies they get them elected . I disagree with Jim suggest it’s their policy’s or Trump would have be re elected . We have see the same play out in Mass we have had several Republicans Governor’s to include out current one..

Now let’s see if youngkin pivots to a Trumplican or remains a classic Republican?

But the American electorate are dumb just saying . Not by whom they vote for .. but the manner in the way they vote . The will kick and scream to get a Democratic or Republican elected to the White House then before the ink even dries they vote out all the support the POTUS they just elected needs to get things done ? It makes no sense
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^^^^^easily triggered :hihi:

he’s having a rough couple of days.
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Congratulations to the winners VA proves it the candidate not their policies they get them elected . I disagree with Jim suggest it’s their policy’s or Trump would have be re elected . We have see the same play out in Mass we have had several Republicans Governor’s to include out current one..

Now let’s see if youngkin pivots to a Trumplican or remains a classic Republican?

But the American electorate are dumb just saying . Not by whom they vote for .. but the manner in the way they vote . The will kick and scream to get a Democratic or Republican elected to the White House then before the ink even dries they vote out all the support the POTUS they just elected needs to get things done ? It makes no sense
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why did the gallup poll
in 2020 show a record number of americans identified as better off after 4 years of trump? if that does t mean america liked his policies, what does it mean?

60% of voters in VA said the country is going in the wrong direction.

america liked trumps policies. they hated him personally, plus covid, plus the racial unrest.

my hope is that the DNC agrees with you, that nothing that happened yesterday is any indicator of america’s opinion on progressive liberalism. my hope is democrats keep advocating for open borders, late term abortions ( perhaps until
the baby’s first birthday?), payouts to illegals that are larger than what we give to families of servicemen killed in action, defunding the police, green new deals, no such thing as biological sex, denying inflation, telling americans not to complain about gas prices or supply delays. Stick with that. most of all, never stop complaining about trump. never.
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But the American electorate are dumb just saying . Not by whom they vote for .. but the manner in the way they vote . The will kick and scream to get a Democratic or Republican elected to the White House then before the ink even dries they vote out all the support the POTUS they just elected needs to get things done ? It makes no sense

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maybe they are smarter than you think or give them credit for....

Congratulations to the winners VA proves it the candidate not their policies they get them elected . I disagree with Jim suggest it’s their policy’s or Trump would have be re elected . We have see the same play out in Mass we have had several Republicans Governor’s to include out current one..

Now let’s see if youngkin pivots to a Trumplican or remains a classic Republican?

But the American electorate are dumb just saying . Not by whom they vote for .. but the manner in the way they vote . The will kick and scream to get a Democratic or Republican elected to the White House then before the ink even dries they vote out all the support the POTUS they just elected needs to get things done ? It makes no sense
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also, biden had a year to do whatever he wanted, his party runs the whole show. and he was able to do very little. there’s a civil war playing out among the democrats, and it’s just starting. they’re pretty dysfunctional. the whole country wants an infastructure deal, the progressives blocked it.

how would
you differentiate a trumplican from a classic republican? if you mean by policy, that debate is over, trump
moved the party a little, and i don’t think they’re going back to endless wars and not doing anything.

trump showed the gop what america wants in terms of policy. The gallup poll confirms that. last night confirms that. america is fickle, that could change in an instant. but a republican who advocates for trumps policies without the ethical baggage, is going to be very very formidable.
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how would
you differentiate a trumplican from a classic republican?

If you don’t know the answer to this you’re clearly not paying attention..
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VA was bad for the Ds. I think NJ has had more Rs govs. than Ds recently?

how would
you differentiate a trumplican from a classic republican?

If you don’t know the answer to this you’re clearly not paying attention..
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i don’t know your answer. it was an innocent question. sorry.
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For those who apparently have no idea of time, today is the 287th day of the Biden Presidency.

One would hope that these election results would cause the Dems to act more as a Party than usual.

The infrastructure bill will pass eventually. The last guy, who claimed he knew more about it than anyone, didn't do it in 4 years.

For those who apparently have no idea of time, today is the 287th day of the Biden Presidency.

One would hope that these election results would cause the Dems to act more as a Party than usual.

The infrastructure bill will pass eventually. The last guy, who claimed he knew more about it than anyone, didn't do it in 4 years.

terrible night for brandon....

didn't pete point out that the democrats that voted for brandon and his agenda now regret their vote and the rest who voted against trump are still happy they did...which means brandon has very little support.....

he's in BIG trouble...this is fun...

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how would
you differentiate a trumplican from a classic republican?

If you don’t know the answer to this you’re clearly not paying attention..
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i don’t know your answer. it was an innocent question. sorry.
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I'm sure he has a very interesting definition/characterization for each of those :)

as to CRT. my kids’ middle school
doesn’t have a course called CRT. if i look at his report card, i see grades for science, math, english, nothing for CRT. If i go to parent/teacher conferences, there’s isn’t a formal CRTteacher i can meet with. there’s no textbook called “CRT”.

but it’s taught. my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice. so am i lying when i say CRT is taught?

the parents aren’t making this up. you guys just can’t concede that there could ever be a valid reason to bash the left.

keep telling parents they’re lying about CRT. that strategy didn’t work well in VA, and there’s a great chance it will work less well in NC and OH.
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i don’t know your answer. it was an innocent question. sorry.
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Here is the best description of a Trumplican

Regular republicans have a few guiding principles like small government = good and respect for the institutions of the nation.

A Trumplican is perfectly willing to abandon any of these principles if Trump does.

Think about republicans dating all the way back to Richard Nixon. Would any of them downplay or shrug off a violent insurrection against the state? Would any of them dare challenge our democratic process?

No !

but a Trumplican They would say No problem party 1st Country maybe 2nd and that’s a maybe
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you differentiate a trumplican from a classic republican?

If you don’t know the answer to this you’re clearly not paying attention..
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I'm sure he has a very interesting definition/characterization for each of those :)

i’m certain he does, which is precisely why i asked.

if the GOP is smart, they won’t go back to the Liz Cheney / RINO mold. Trump showed a better agenda. we just need to do it without acting like a horrible spoiled brat.
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so am i lying when i say CRT is taught?
No, just uninformed.

Here is the best description of a Trumplican

Regular republicans have a few guiding principles like small government = good and respect for the institutions of the nation.

A Trumplican is perfectly willing to abandon any of these principles if Trump does.

Think about republicans dating all the way back to Richard Nixon. Would any of them downplay or shrug off a violent insurrection against the state? Would any of them dare challenge our democratic process?

No !

but a Trumplican They would say No problem party 1st Country maybe 2nd and that’s a maybe
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so if i condemn what happened in january 6th ( and i similarly condemn the BLM riots), but i like the legislative policies that trump helped usher in, what does that make me? i like trumps legislative accomplishments more than i’d like what any “classical” republican would have done. but i hate what happened in january 6th.

as to challenging our democratic process,,not sure if you responded to my post yesterday. but when bush beat gore, democrats sued. when trump beat hilary, many in the left were urging electors not to vote for trump. so where do you get off saying that no one has ever tried to undermine the will of the people?
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No, just uninformed.

so when my son is told that his
skin color ( and that alone) bestows upon him the responsibility to right a historical wrong. and i say that’s CRT, how am I misinformed?

was wondering when you ( he who said the polls show that biden “is actually doing well) would chime in. since you’re so much better informed than i am, what’s your takeaway from last night? that the democrats in DC aren’t liberal
enough?

Spence, you can call that race-baiting horsesh*t whatever you want. A sample of america just made their voice heard on what they think about cramming it down their kids throats, and what they think about being told that they’re lying.

i hope your side responds by continuing to insult them. keep telling parents that objecting to this, means they are liars, and naturally, racists too. That’ll work great in NC and FL.
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whenever it's not going well for the left they blame those that they disagree with or those who oppose their nuttiness with as stupid and uninformed....we are going to see a lot of that

so if i condemn what happened in january 6th ( and i similarly condemn the BLM riots), but i like the legislative policies that trump helped usher in, what does that make me? i like trumps legislative accomplishments more than i’d like what any “classical” republican would have done. but i hate what happened in january 6th.

as to challenging our democratic process,,not sure if you responded to my post yesterday. but when bush beat gore, democrats sued. when trump beat hilary, many in the left were urging electors not to vote for trump. so where do you get off saying that no one has ever tried to undermine the will of the people?
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More of the same I see Jim everything’s the same. Is no argument it’s a dodge

if the GOP is smart, they won’t go back to the Liz Cheney / RINO mold.

so where do you get off saying that no one has ever tried to undermine the will of the people?

you are a Trumplican the above proves it.
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More of the same I see Jim everything’s the same. Is no argument it’s a dodge

if the GOP is smart, they won’t go back to the Liz Cheney / RINO mold.

so where do you get off saying that no one has ever tried to undermine the will of the people?

you are a Trumplican the above proves it.
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you say a Trumplican is someone who defends January 6th.

I said i hate what happened on January 6th. I hate what the rioters did.

Then you say that proves I’m a Trumplican.

It’s flawless logic you got there. .

For the second time, i’m not saying january 6 was the same as BLM riots. I’m saying they were different, in that the BLM riots were much worse. They resulted in more deaths and way more damage, absolutely no comparison. none.

and again you ignored the fact that when trump won, liberals tried to undermine the democratic process by urging electors not to cast their votes for trump. you won’t comment when democrats work to undermine feee elections, you only care when republicans do it.

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so when my son is told that his
skin color ( and that alone) bestows upon him the responsibility to right a historical wrong. and i say that’s CRT, how am I misinformed?

was wondering when you ( he who said the polls show that biden “is actually doing well) would chime in. since you’re so much better informed than i am, what’s your takeaway from last night? that the democrats in DC aren’t liberal
enough?

Spence, you can call that race-baiting horsesh*t whatever you want. A sample of america just made their voice heard on what they think about cramming it down their kids throats, and what they think about being told that they’re lying.

i hope your side responds by continuing to insult them. keep telling parents that objecting to this, means they are liars, and naturally, racists too. That’ll work great in NC and FL.
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Don’t your kids got to Catholic school?

CRT is mythical Jim

And not even VA teaches it.. but that won’t stop Youngkin from doing a executive order or some law to prevent something that has never happen or going to happen

That’s not leadership or policy.

But in reality it’s just another Stunt
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you say a Trumplican is someone who defends January 6th.

I said i hate what happened on January 6th. I hate what the rioters did.

Then you say that proves I’m a Trumplican.

It’s flawless logic you got there. .



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if you are a trumplican despite your repeated and constant condemnations of many things trump.....

what must spence be with his constant and unwavering defense of all things obama/clinton/biden/kerry etc...etc...?

Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

The Dems made a mistake when CRT was adopted as an issue by Trumplicans, of not saying Society does not bear ALL responsibility for the current status of black americans but we do need to help our fellow americans help themselves and to do that we need to look at history honestly, not hiding the bad parts.

One of the often cited black economists, Glen Loury wrote:
What we call “race” is mainly a social, and only indirectly a biological, phenomenon. The persistence across generations of racial differentiation between large groups of people, in an open society where individuals live in proximity to one another, provides irrefutable indirect evidence of a profound separation between the racially defined networks of social affiliation within that society. There would be no races in the steady state of any dynamic social system unless, on a daily basis and with regard to their most intimate affairs, people paid assiduous attention to the boundaries separating themselves from racially distinct others. Over time, race would cease to exist unless people chose to act in a manner so as biologically to reproduce the variety of phenotypic expression that constitutes the substance of racial distinction.

How should we think about the persistence of racial inequality in America? To deny the relevance of behavioral patterns among some black families and communities is folly. To wash one’s hands of their problems because of such cultural and behavioral impediments is profoundly unjust. There are no easy answers, but I suggest that the view here is worth considering as a way to account for, and then respond to, an enduring dilemma that confronts and frustrates us still.

Take the poor central-city dwellers who make up perhaps a quarter of the African-American population. The dysfunctional behavior of many in this population does account for much of their failure to progress—and conservatives’ demand for greater personal responsibility is necessary and proper. Yet, confronted with the despair, violence, and self-destructive behavior of so many people, it seems morally superficial in the extreme to argue, as many conservatives do, that “those people should just get their acts together; if they did, like many of the poor immigrants, we would not have such a horrific problem in our cities.” To the contrary, any morally astute response to the social pathology of American history’s losers would have to conclude that, while we cannot change our ignoble past, we must not be indifferent to contemporary suffering issuing directly from that past. Their culture may be implicated in their difficulties, but so is our culture complicit in their troubles; we bear collective responsibility for the form and texture of our social relations.

While we cannot ignore the behavioral problems of the so-called black underclass, we should discuss and react to those problems as if we were talking about our own children, neighbors, and friends. It will require adjusting ways of thinking on both sides of the racial divide. Achieving a well-ordered society, where all members are embraced as being among us, should be the goal. Our failure to do so is an American tragedy. It is a national, not merely a communal, disgrace. Changing the definition of the American “we” is a first step toward rectifying the relational discrimination that afflicts our society, and it is the best path forward in reducing racial inequality.

Liz Cheney / RINO mold.
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Just what is that?

How did Liz Cheney, probably the most disciplined conservative in the Republican party become a RINO in your non-Trumplican eyes?

Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

The Dems made a mistake when CRT was adopted as an issue by Trumplicans, of not saying Society does not bear ALL responsibility for the current status of black americans but we do need to help our fellow americans help themselves and to do that we need to look at history honestly, not hiding the bad parts.

One of the often cited black economists, Glen Loury wrote:
What we call “race” is mainly a social, and only indirectly a biological, phenomenon. The persistence across generations of racial differentiation between large groups of people, in an open society where individuals live in proximity to one another, provides irrefutable indirect evidence of a profound separation between the racially defined networks of social affiliation within that society. There would be no races in the steady state of any dynamic social system unless, on a daily basis and with regard to their most intimate affairs, people paid assiduous attention to the boundaries separating themselves from racially distinct others. Over time, race would cease to exist unless people chose to act in a manner so as biologically to reproduce the variety of phenotypic expression that constitutes the substance of racial distinction.

How should we think about the persistence of racial inequality in America? To deny the relevance of behavioral patterns among some black families and communities is folly. To wash one’s hands of their problems because of such cultural and behavioral impediments is profoundly unjust. There are no easy answers, but I suggest that the view here is worth considering as a way to account for, and then respond to, an enduring dilemma that confronts and frustrates us still.

Take the poor central-city dwellers who make up perhaps a quarter of the African-American population. The dysfunctional behavior of many in this population does account for much of their failure to progress—and conservatives’ demand for greater personal responsibility is necessary and proper. Yet, confronted with the despair, violence, and self-destructive behavior of so many people, it seems morally superficial in the extreme to argue, as many conservatives do, that “those people should just get their acts together; if they did, like many of the poor immigrants, we would not have such a horrific problem in our cities.” To the contrary, any morally astute response to the social pathology of American history’s losers would have to conclude that, while we cannot change our ignoble past, we must not be indifferent to contemporary suffering issuing directly from that past. Their culture may be implicated in their difficulties, but so is our culture complicit in their troubles; we bear collective responsibility for the form and texture of our social relations.

While we cannot ignore the behavioral problems of the so-called black underclass, we should discuss and react to those problems as if we were talking about our own children, neighbors, and friends. It will require adjusting ways of thinking on both sides of the racial divide. Achieving a well-ordered society, where all members are embraced as being among us, should be the goal. Our failure to do so is an American tragedy. It is a national, not merely a communal, disgrace. Changing the definition of the American “we” is a first step toward rectifying the relational discrimination that afflicts our society, and it is the best path forward in reducing racial inequality.

“of course bias doesn’t exist.”

you’re really hearing those voices again, brother. because no one came close to saying that.

bias exists. not all white people are to blame.

is that going too fast for you?
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Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.



said nobody ever.......

you say a Trumplican is someone who defends January 6th.

I said i hate what happened on January 6th. I hate what the rioters did.

Then you say that proves I’m a Trumplican.

It’s flawless logic you got there. .

For the second time, i’m not saying january 6 was the same as BLM riots. I’m saying they were different, in that the BLM riots were much worse. They resulted in more deaths and way more damage, absolutely no comparison. none.

and again you ignored the fact that when trump won, liberals tried to undermine the democratic process by urging electors not to cast their votes for trump. you won’t comment when democrats work to undermine feee elections, you only care when republicans do it.

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No Jim you are a Trumplican because at every Turn you attempt explain away any responsibility the GOP has in the Jan 6th events and it’s aftermath , while saying you condemn it.

time after time trying to compare events , some decades ago and some recent. that absolutely in no way shape or form resembles what happened, it’s called Denial
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said nobody ever.......

literally, nothing close to anything that has been said. but that’s what he responds to. who is he responding to?
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No Jim you are a Trumplican because at every Turn you attempt explain away any responsibility the GOP has in the Jan 6th events and it’s aftermath , while saying you condemn it.

time after time trying to compare events , some decades ago and some recent. that absolutely in no way shape or form resembles what happened, it’s called Denial
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i think trump bears some responsibility for january 6th. never, ever said otherwise. i think impeachment was a farce, but i think i he bears some responsibility for things he said about Pence, and for not condemning it.

i think far more republicans condemned january 6, than democrats condemned the blm riots, even those were much bloodier and more destructive.

denial? you refuse to comment on democrat attempts to undermine the 2016 election, and you refuse to comment on the poll
clearly showing that americans liked trumps policies, you refuse to admit that democrats were often on the side of the blm rioters. you can’t comment on anything which you can’t spin as favorable to your side. i constantly criticize my own side. but i’m in denial. gotcha.
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as to CRT. my kids’ middle school
doesn’t have a course called CRT. if i look at his report card, i see grades for science, math, english, nothing for CRT. If i go to parent/teacher conferences, there’s isn’t a formal CRTteacher i can meet with. there’s no textbook called “CRT”.

but it’s taught. my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice. so am i lying when i say CRT is taught?

the parents aren’t making this up. you guys just can’t concede that there could ever be a valid reason to bash the left.

keep telling parents they’re lying about CRT. that strategy didn’t work well in VA, and there’s a great chance it will work less well in NC and OH.
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so when my son is told that his
skin color ( and that alone) bestows upon him the responsibility to right a historical wrong. and i say that’s CRT, how am I misinformed?


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“of course bias doesn’t exist.”

you’re really hearing those voices again, brother. because no one came close to saying that.

bias exists. not all white people are to blame.

is that going too fast for you?
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You claim that the reason for the result in VA was critical race theory

I'd like to see the actual wording of the question your son was asked that caused you to think "my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice."

Jim thinks Liz Cheney is a RINO
What more would one need to qualify as a Trumplican?
Who other than a Trumplican would call Liz Cheney a RINO?
She voted with Trump more than almost any other Republican, even Gym Jordan.
She's one of the most conservative members of Congress.
What display of fealty, or lack thereof is required to qualify her as a RINO?

You claim that the reason for the result in VA was critical race theory

I'd like to see the actual wording of the question your son was asked that caused you to think "my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice."

that’s not “my claim.”. it’s fact. McAuluffe was comfortable ahead until he made that idiotic public statement that parents have no say i. what their kids are taught. every single poll had education high on the list of concerns. not “my claim.”

if i found the exact assignment and posted it, what’s the likelihood that you’d agree i have a point? Zero.

our children have been denied over a year of basic education. schools
need to spend more time on the basics, less time on divisive liberal indoctrination. if you think that’s just “my claim”, ask governor McAuliffe if i’m making that up, or if people agree with me.
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that’s not “my claim.”. it’s fact. McAuluffe was comfortable ahead until he made that idiotic public statement that parents have no say i. what their kids are taught. every single poll had education high on the list of concerns. not “my claim.”

if i found the exact assignment and posted it, what’s the likelihood that you’d agree i have a point? Zero.

our children have been denied over a year of basic education. schools
need to spend more time on the basics, less time on divisive liberal indoctrination. if you think that’s just “my claim”, ask governor McAuliffe if i’m making that up, or if people agree with me.
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Critical race theory top factor for 25% of Virginia voters, while 72% called it important: Fox analysis

As I thought, you made it up.

And I thought you said your kids were in catholic school?
Is the Pope into CRT also?
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Critical race theory top factor for 25% of Virginia voters, while 72% called it important:

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so many misinformed idiot trumplicans...probably need to get going on those re-education camps

Critical race theory top factor for 25% of Virginia voters, while 72% called it important: Fox analysis

As I thought, you made it up.

And I thought you said your kids were in catholic school?
Is the Pope into CRT also?
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wait a minute. 72% said it was important, and that means i made it up? how does that not prove me right??
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so many misinformed idiot trumplicans...probably need to get going on those re-education camps

me; CRT was an important issue.

Pete: 72% said it was important. Ha ha, i proves you wrong!

what would it take, exactly, to convince him i was right, when i said it was an important issue?
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so many misinformed idiot trumplicans...probably need to get going on those re-education camps

me thinks we’re going to do nicely next year.
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wait a minute. 72% said it was important, and that means i made it up? how does that not prove me right??
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That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Jim thinks Liz Cheney is a RINO
What more would one need to qualify as a Trumplican?
Who other than a Trumplican would call Liz Cheney a RINO?
She voted with Trump more than almost any other Republican, even Gym Jordan.
She's one of the most conservative members of Congress.
What display of fealty, or lack thereof is required to qualify her as a RINO?

Critical race theory top factor for 25% of Virginia voters, while 72% called it important: Fox analysis

As I thought, you made it up.

And I thought you said your kids were in catholic school?
Is the Pope into CRT also?
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wait a minute. 72% said it was important, and that means i made it up? how does that not prove me right??
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First of all, just what makes Liz Cheney a Rino?
And second, what I think you made up was the question to your child in school that made him guilty........

VA doesn’t really surprise me. Republicans did a great job of misleading and scaring voters over issues like CRT and the trans bathroom policy. VA almost never votes for someone to serve two terms as gov or votes with the party in the White House. Mcauliffe made some big mistakes as well.

That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

From the guy who said Biden was doing swell in the polls.

What I said, and therefore what I think, is that one of the big issues in the election, was (1) parents concern about what's going on in public schools (divisive racial topics, mask mandates not based on any kind of medical consensus, boys going into the girls bathroom, sexually provocative books in libraries, etc), and (2) a belief among the same parents, that liberals don't give a fig about those concerns.

25% say it was the single most important thing, 72% say it was important. I don't think there's a whole lot of ambiguity in those numbers.

I can only hope that the people who run the DNC, come to the same exact conclusions that you are no doubt coming to.

I promise you, that I know what you think, a whole lot more accurately than you know what I think. Because you only think one thing.

VA doesn’t really surprise me. Republicans did a great job of misleading and scaring voters over issues like CRT and the trans bathroom policy. VA almost never votes for someone to serve two terms as gov or votes with the party in the White House. Mcauliffe made some big mistakes as well.

"VA doesn’t really surprise me."

Right, you saw that coming. The guy who said Bidens tanking polling was nothing.

"misleading and scaring voters over issues like CRT"

So every single parent who brought books to BOE meetings that had racially divisive language, every parent holding a racially divisive assignment their child had to do...every single one of them was misleading the audience?

"the trans bathroom policy."

You mean the policy which allowed a male rapist to waltz into the girls bathroom and have easy access to a victim in a compromising situation with no teachers nearby? And then having a superintendent blatantly lie about having knowledge that the rape happened, so that the board could vote to expand on that bathroom policy? Nothing to be concerned about there? They covered up a rape, so that they could expand that bathroom policy. Is that mis-leading in any way?

"Mcauliffe made some big mistakes as well."

You got one right!

VA doesn’t really surprise me. Republicans did a great job of misleading and scaring voters over issues like CRT and the trans bathroom policy. VA almost never votes for someone to serve two terms as gov or votes with the party in the White House. Mcauliffe made some big mistakes as well.

Well since governors aren't allowed to serve consecutive terms in VA, that may have something to do with it.
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You mean the policy which allowed a male rapist to waltz into the girls bathroom and have easy access to a victim in a compromising situation with no teachers nearby?
The story was spun to fit the anti-trans narrative. First the trans bathroom policy wasn't even in place at the time. Second the two had snuck into the bathroom to have sex several times previously. Third, she chose the location. Apparently she then said no but he didn't want to stop. Its still rape and terrible but the story was twisted to fit an agenda.

The story was spun to fit the anti-trans narrative. First the trans bathroom policy wasn't even in place at the time. Second the two had snuck into the bathroom to have sex several times previously. Third, she chose the location. Apparently she then said no but he didn't want to stop. Its still rape and terrible but the story was twisted to fit an agenda.

i believe the trans bathroom policy was in place at the time. they covered up the rape, in order to get the votes needed to extend it.

i don’t see any relevance, none, to the sexual history of a child, and i don’t want to know. no one that i have seen is saying that encounter was consensual, and the kid was convicted.

you left out that the school
officials sent the rapist to another school without telling them
he was a rapist, so he was allowed to assault a second victim.

the most infuriating part of the story, is that the superintendent knowing my lied and said he had no report of a rape taking place. when we have an earlier email from him, alluding to the rape. he called the victims father a liar in public.

you left that part out. and then obama saying no one has any valid reason to be concerned, just a bunch of lying, homophobic white supremacists ( who are being called white supremacists by the left, even though they also elected a black lieutenant governor.).

i’m sure you don’t see how trans bathroom policies make it easier for rapes to take place.
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Well since governors aren't allowed to serve consecutive terms in VA, that may have something to do with it.
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that, plus racism.
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i believe the trans bathroom policy was in place at the time. they covered up the rape, in order to get the votes needed to extend it.
Both the NYT and Reason.com have reported on this. Policy was two months away.

i don’t see any relevance, none, to the sexual history of a child, and i don’t want to know. no one that i have seen is saying that encounter was consensual, and the kid was convicted.
It's super relevant as it establishes this was not a random act of violence.

you left out that the school officials sent the rapist to another school without telling them he was a rapist, so he was allowed to assault a second victim.
At the time the DNA evidence wasn't available and the police only have a 21 day window to act but he had to be relocated so they gave him an ankle bracelet. If distance learning was available they should have done that.

the most infuriating part of the story, is that the superintendent knowing my lied and said he had no report of a rape taking place. when we have an earlier email from him, alluding to the rape. he called the victims father a liar in public.

Apparently the laws prohibit discussing anything about a minor when there's a legal proceeding underway and the police have to investigate it before the school can. I'm guessing the super panicked and just didn't handle the situation very well.
i’m sure you don’t see how trans bathroom policies make it easier for rapes to take place.
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I really don't. There's nothing stopping anyone from walking into another sex's bathroom and assaulting someone today. Perhaps a cheap fix are cameras outside of bathroom doors. I'm not sure if K-12 sexual assault by another student is even that common.

Both the NYT and Reason.com have reported on this. Policy was two months away.


It's super relevant as it establishes this was not a random act of violence.


At the time the DNA evidence wasn't available and the police only have a 21 day window to act but he had to be relocated so they gave him an ankle bracelet. If distance learning was available they should have done that.



Apparently the laws prohibit discussing anything about a minor when there's a legal proceeding underway and the police have to investigate it before the school can. I'm guessing the super panicked and just didn't handle the situation very well.

I really don't. There's nothing stopping anyone from walking into another sex's bathroom and assaulting someone today. Perhaps a cheap fix are cameras outside of bathroom doors. I'm not sure if K-12 sexual assault by another student is even that common.

oh, you didn’t say it was NYT, that settles things.

the meeting where the rape was lied about, included a vote to extend the policy. there was already some kind of policy in place before that meeting, i don’t know if it was in place at the time of the rape. regardless, the superintendent lied, obviously so people would vote for the policy.

and the kids second assault, at the second school, was that random? are random acts of violence worse than acts of violence against someone you know? i have zero interest in splitting those hairs

seems obvious to me, that allowing boys into the girls room puts girls at greater risk. i’m not sure i get how that can be refuted, yet i know you don’t agree.

i taught Spence, in a large public school district. there’s no law that prevented the district from telling the second school what this kid was accused of. he could have been watched at all times. should have been watched at all times. not rocket science. .

the superintendent sent an email
to some staff, alluding to the rape. i don’t know where you’re getting the idea that it’s against the law to discuss it amongst staff, in the interest of safety.

i’m sure the father of the second victim is glad he had an ankle monitor, if that’s true.

“there’s nothing stopping someone from walking into the other sex’s. bathroom.”

yes there is. fear of getting caught breaking a rule and being called a pervert. when i taught, if i saw a boy walking into the girls room, Id be expected to physically stop him. in Loudon county today, i’d be expected to hold
the door open for him, and say “right this way”.

making a whole lot of assumptions, many of which are laughable.
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Be very afraid
Jim is convinced that anyone who is not heterosexual is going to attack someone, because of course if they don’t fit within his definition of normal, all their behavior is aberrant and therefore must deviate from the norm.
And if that’s not true it demolishes his narrative.
Maybe he’s doing this because he knows as he got too close and caught gay. (Sarcasm)
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Be very afraid
Jim is convinced that anyone who is not heterosexual is going to attack someone, because of course if they don’t fit within his definition of normal, all their behavior is aberrant and therefore must deviate from the norm.
And if that’s not true it demolishes his narrative.
Maybe he’s doing this because he knows as he got too close and caught gay. (Sarcasm)
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“everyone who is not heterosexual is going to attack someone.”

hearing those voices loudly, i see. I sure never said that.

you actually couldn’t be more stupidly wrong. non-heterosexuals ( i presume) would not be inclined to attack girls in the bathroom. gay men aren’t attracted to girls. What rational people are afraid of, is that dangerous heterosexuals will say “i am trans” so they can have access to girls bathrooms.

This is beyond your comprehension? it’s not conceivable to you that this could happen?

Stupid and strange, even for you.
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Stupid and strange, even for you.

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gets more interesting all the time.....

gets more interesting all the time.....

no joke.

“so you’re saying you want to slaughter everyone who disagrees with you, sell their organs on ebay, and give all the proceeds to trump…”

does t matter what you actually say. they respond to what they wish you said.
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no joke.

“so you’re saying you want to slaughter everyone who disagrees with you, sell their organs on ebay, and give all the proceeds to trump…”

does t matter what you actually say. they respond to what they wish you said.
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special kinda crazy you'd like to see making education policy :rotf2::rotf2:

“everyone who is not heterosexual is going to attack someone.”

hearing those voices loudly, i see. I sure never said that.

you actually couldn’t be more stupidly wrong. non-heterosexuals ( i presume) would not be inclined to attack girls in the bathroom. gay men aren’t attracted to girls. What rational people are afraid of, is that dangerous heterosexuals will say “i am trans” so they can have access to girls bathrooms.

This is beyond your comprehension? it’s not conceivable to you that this could happen?

Stupid and strange, even for you.
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Lots of things are conceivable, I assume you believe in the Bible?

Men have raped women in dressing rooms also, ask E. Jean Carroll about her experience.:faga:

Sociopaths will always be able to do things that are not within societal norms.

Maybe you should consider that the majority of rapes occur in or around the home and in 80% the rapist knows the victim.

Should we have women wear Hijabs and not speak to men outside of their families?

Think about what the odds are of what you are panicking over this time and why you are doing so, other than that you have been fed this by the media.

Be very afraid, Fox loves it

Back to the topic

Republicans kick and scream “voter fraud” until they win an election.

Virginia confirmed that.

Back to the topic

Republicans kick and scream “voter fraud” until they win an election.

Virginia confirmed that.

wasn't McCauliff still claiming stolen elections in previous presidential elections up until very recently?

wasn't McCauliff still claiming stolen elections in previous presidential elections up until very recently?

And that whole "Abolish the Electoral College" thing.
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Back to the topic

Republicans kick and scream “voter fraud” until they win an election.

Virginia confirmed that.





Show me the last time the counting of ballots was stopped in the middle of the night, windows were covered so the counters couldn’t keep an eye on, postal workers caught bringing cases of filled in ballots over state lines………..
And a republican won 🤔

Your hate for the other side blinds you.

Also
You seem to be an expert on rape & sexual assault.
You talking from experience 🤔
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Show me the last time the counting of ballots was stopped in the middle of the night, windows were covered so the counters couldn’t keep an eye on, postal workers caught bringing cases of filled in ballots over state lines………..
And a republican won 🤔

Your hate for the other side blinds you.

Also
You seem to be an expert on rape & sexual assault.
You talking from experience 🤔
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congratulations to the "you lost, get over it" crowd from 2016, now enjoying their 366th consecutive day of not getting over losing in 2020

AOC says they lost in VA because they were too moderate, not radical
enough.

this is precisely the reaction that every republican was hoping for.
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congratulations to the "you lost, get over it" crowd from 2016, now enjoying their 366th consecutive day of not getting over losing in 2020




You didn’t answer either question
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Show me the last time the counting of ballots was stopped in the middle of the night, windows were covered so the counters couldn’t keep an eye on, postal workers caught bringing cases of filled in ballots over state lines………..
And a republican won 🤔

After a year of investigation, zero proof has been found of any chicanery in the 2020 presidential election with the exception of several Republicans who filled out ballots for their dead relatives
You just keep believing
I heard that yesterday there were hundreds of people in Texas waiting for JFK jr and Trump to show up so that he could be president again, didn't miss it did you?

Your hate for the other side blinds you.

Also
You seem to be an expert on rape & sexual assault.
You talking from experience 🤔
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I know a few investigators, in fact one was asking about a charter captain who raped a stripper he picked up at the Glass Slipper.

I know a few investigators, in fact one was asking about a charter captain who raped a stripper he picked up at the Glass Slipper.



What the #^&#^&#^&#^& is the Glass Slipper & who’s the captain ?
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Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

The Dems made a mistake when CRT was adopted as an issue by Trumplicans, of not saying Society does not bear ALL responsibility for the current status of black americans but we do need to help our fellow americans help themselves and to do that we need to look at history honestly, not hiding the bad parts.

One of the often cited black economists, Glen Loury wrote:
What we call “race” is mainly a social, and only indirectly a biological, phenomenon. The persistence across generations of racial differentiation between large groups of people, in an open society where individuals live in proximity to one another, provides irrefutable indirect evidence of a profound separation between the racially defined networks of social affiliation within that society. There would be no races in the steady state of any dynamic social system unless, on a daily basis and with regard to their most intimate affairs, people paid assiduous attention to the boundaries separating themselves from racially distinct others. Over time, race would cease to exist unless people chose to act in a manner so as biologically to reproduce the variety of phenotypic expression that constitutes the substance of racial distinction.

How should we think about the persistence of racial inequality in America? To deny the relevance of behavioral patterns among some black families and communities is folly. To wash one’s hands of their problems because of such cultural and behavioral impediments is profoundly unjust. There are no easy answers, but I suggest that the view here is worth considering as a way to account for, and then respond to, an enduring dilemma that confronts and frustrates us still.

Take the poor central-city dwellers who make up perhaps a quarter of the African-American population. The dysfunctional behavior of many in this population does account for much of their failure to progress—and conservatives’ demand for greater personal responsibility is necessary and proper. Yet, confronted with the despair, violence, and self-destructive behavior of so many people, it seems morally superficial in the extreme to argue, as many conservatives do, that “those people should just get their acts together; if they did, like many of the poor immigrants, we would not have such a horrific problem in our cities.” To the contrary, any morally astute response to the social pathology of American history’s losers would have to conclude that, while we cannot change our ignoble past, we must not be indifferent to contemporary suffering issuing directly from that past. Their culture may be implicated in their difficulties, but so is our culture complicit in their troubles; we bear collective responsibility for the form and texture of our social relations.

While we cannot ignore the behavioral problems of the so-called black underclass, we should discuss and react to those problems as if we were talking about our own children, neighbors, and friends. It will require adjusting ways of thinking on both sides of the racial divide. Achieving a well-ordered society, where all members are embraced as being among us, should be the goal. Our failure to do so is an American tragedy. It is a national, not merely a communal, disgrace. Changing the definition of the American “we” is a first step toward rectifying the relational discrimination that afflicts our society, and it is the best path forward in reducing racial inequality.

Don't know when Loury said this, but I do know that he has gone through two or three evolutions of thought on the subject of racial inequality, from "liberal" to "conservative" to wavering between the two to much closer to "conservative" in his present iteration. Your citation seems closer to his wavering period. He has evolved since then to his current pragmatic view that "those people should just get their acts together" view. Whatever little merit he sees in some concepts of CRT, on the whole he considers it a fraud and of no help in actually solving the racial divide. In fact, he has come to the conclusion that stuff like CRT will cripple the endeavors of blacks to rise from the bottom.

Here is one of those hour long videos with him giving his opinion on solving the problems as opposed to the gestures and misguided leftist theories which will not only retard progress, but set back that which has been made. You can't make an intelligent detailed argument about it in just ten minutes. Since you have quoted him in this post and therefor giving him the creds to be listened to, I dare you to watch the whole thing and then discuss it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ALAQA1NSs

Sorry
I’m not watching videos
Boring and a pain to analyze
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What the #^&#^&#^&#^& is the Glass Slipper & who’s the captain ?
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Hard telling, know any charter captains?
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Sorry
I’m not watching videos
Boring and a pain to analyze
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Easy painless way out. Stay stupid. But thanks for torturing the rest of us with your lengthy really interesting links and cut and pastes. We're, unlike you, suckers to take the time to thoughtfully and agonizingly respond.

Sorry
I’m not watching videos
Boring and a pain to analyze
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in other words, you know he’s got you and you don’t want to discuss it anymore.
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in other words, you know he’s got you and you don’t want to discuss it anymore.
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anticipate a very lengthy cut and paste unrelated to anything :jester:

Easy painless way out. Stay stupid. But thanks for torturing the rest of us with your lengthy really interesting links and cut and pastes. We're, unlike you, suckers to take the time to thoughtfully and agonizingly respond.

Transcripts of videos are less than 10 pages and readable in a fraction of the length of the video
Assuming people can read
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Transcripts of videos are less than 10 pages and readable in a fraction of the length of the video
Assuming people can read
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For someone who seems to be so insistent that we must know the "truth" that he must daily spread it on the forum and insist that we must listen to it, you sure are resistant to seriously considering or even listening to those who see the truth differently from you. Good way to stay stupid.

Ah yes, the truth is found watching YouTube
You do realize that the YouTube algorithm, picks things that reinforce your viewing.
So you’re fed more of the baloney you watch until it’s the great majority of what you see, makes it true.
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Ah yes, the truth is found watching YouTube
You do realize that the YouTube algorithm, picks things that reinforce your viewing.
So you’re fed more of the baloney you watch until it’s the great majority of what you see, makes it true.
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Well, you use YouTube a lot. Anyway, YouTube's algorithm may have a large task with me since I'm interested in a variety things and opinions. I sometimes get a chuckle when after watching a couple of videos, the next time in I get a bunch of like minded to be listed. So I'll pick a contrary topic to get a bunch of that ilk to be algorithmed my way next time. Then switch back. Heh, heh . . . just for fun . . . and for a different perspective.

Anyway I get the other "side" in droves from you and the other anti Trumpers, et al.

But, more to the point, I don't search for topics just by browsing YouTube. I more often use search engines like Google or Bing (which also have algorithms, Google being oriented more toward the politically Progressive).