good news!....he's been located!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExPt6yPfN_o

Wow, on the one hand the Trump White House made a PowerPoint about how to end American democracy but on the other hand have you heard that Kamala Harris uses wired heaphones as a national security precaution and once bought a nice pot to cook with? Both sides.
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Whatever you were referring to doesn’t show on my phone.
But since you’re concerned about my opinion, Chris Wallace is quitting Fox News. He was the only honest one left there. And he was, by default, giving cover to the other Fox News hosts as they filled the other 23 hours a day with nonstop lies. Now they’ve lost that cover. Fox News can no longer pretend to be even vaguely real.
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Whatever you were referring to doesn’t show on my phone.
But since you’re concerned about my opinion, Chris Wallace is quitting Fox News. He was the only honest one left there. And he was, by default, giving cover to the other Fox News hosts as they filled the other 23 hours a day with nonstop lies. Now they’ve lost that cover. Fox News can no longer pretend to be even vaguely real.
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:rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::rotf3:

Whatever you were referring to doesn’t show on my phone.
But since you’re concerned about my opinion, Chris Wallace is quitting Fox News. He was the only honest one left there. And he was, by default, giving cover to the other Fox News hosts as they filled the other 23 hours a day with nonstop lies. Now they’ve lost that cover. Fox News can no longer pretend to be even vaguely real.
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right, he was very serious, which his why he’s going to CNN, where all the really serious journalists go.

it would be more serious if he went to the Babylon Bee.


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Whatever you were referring to doesn’t show on my phone.

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it's the Reno 911 movie trailer...The Hunt for QANON....thought you might be excited that law enforcement is in hot pursuit...

right, he was very serious, which his why he’s going to CNN, where all the really serious journalists go.

it would be more serious if he went to the Babylon Bee.


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pete can have him...we don't even need anyone in trade for that one :laugha:...

it's the Reno 911 movie trailer...The Hunt for QANON....thought you might be excited that law enforcement is in hot pursuit...

Boy, that show was so damn funny when it first came out. Not ‘Strangers with Candy’ level, but close.
I’ll have to look for this version….

Every day, Fox News takes another step toward its destiny as The Tucker Carlson Channel, and in that future, there’s no room for journalists.
Pure Propaganda all the time
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Pure Propaganda all the time
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The irony in your making such a comment is comically delicious.

The irony in your making such a comment is comically delicious.

They have successfully convinced you that none of the items below are true.

The Trump campaign eagerly and knowingly accepted overtures from the Russian government to provide dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Trump publicly asked the Russians to illegally steal and dump Clinton documents, and Russian intelligence promptly did exactly that.

The campaign and its associates had at least 100 contacts and probably more with assorted Russians, including (according to the Senate Intelligence Committee’s account) ones with ties to organized crime and Russian intelligence.

Trump’s campaign manager provided internal campaign materials to a business associate characterized by the Senate report and the U.S. Treasury Department as a Russian intelligence operative.

The campaign team, including Trump, was well aware of potential plans by Russia’s Wikileaks partner to dump stolen documents, kept close tabs on it, and tried to schedule and exploit that possibility.

Trump and his fixer Michael Cohen lied point-blank about Trump’s ongoing business dealings with the Russians.

Meanwhile, at no point did Trump and his people report Russia’s activities to U.S. law enforcement; instead, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee report, the campaign was “elated” by what it regarded as a “gift” from Wikileaks.

That the Trump campaign did all of those things and more is not seriously disputed.
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They have successfully convinced you that none of the items below are true.
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No, "They" did not convince me of those things. It's comical that you seem to think that those of us who have not been convinced by you are puppets. And that you, somehow, are not.

Wallace could be a big improvement for CNN, god knows they need some
honesty there. i’ll be curious to see if he remains as honest as he was at fox or if he just reads what they tell him
to read. i wouldn’t think the remaining CNN viewers have much appetite for anyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi.
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i’ll be curious to see if he remains as honest as he was at fox or if he just reads what they tell him
to read.
You really, for a second, think Chris Wallace is going to just read what ever is put in front of him?

You really, for a second, think Chris Wallace is going to just read what ever is put in front of him?

that’s what everyone else there does.

if he does what he did at fox, i’d think CNNs 12 remaining viewers will all hate him. No one who watches CNN wants to be challenged, they want their fur stroked by people who think exactly as they do. just like you do.

all they want to hear, is all
that you want to hear.

liberal=good, conservative=bad


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that’s what everyone else there does.

if he does what he did at fox, i’d think CNNs 12 remaining viewers will all hate him. No one who watches CNN wants to be challenged, they want their fur stroked by people who think exactly as they do. just like you do.

all they want to hear, is all
that you want to hear.

liberal=good, conservative=bad


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Just keep rationalizing your belief that you don’t really like Trump but people are victimizing him.
Because you believe that he is aligned with what you think conservative beliefs consist of.
He’s got a bridge he wants to sell you too as long as you’re in the buying mood, such a deal….
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Just keep rationalizing your belief that you don’t really like Trump but people are victimizing him.
Because you believe that he is aligned with what you think conservative beliefs consist of.
He’s got a bridge he wants to sell you too as long as you’re in the buying mood, such a deal….
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pete, here’s what liberals really struggle with:

two things can be true at the same time.

simultaneously, it can be true that (1) trump is morally repugnant, and at the same time, (2) he is being treated unfairly by the media.

Trump is an awful human being, but he implemented some terrific policies, and also had some utter failures.

Focusing on the negative and pretending the good things didn’t happen, is necessarily inaccurate and unfair.

i’m secure enough in my beliefs where i can happily admit the good
and bad. You cant.
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pete, here’s what liberals really struggle with:

two things can be true at the same time.

simultaneously, it can be true that (1) trump is morally repugnant, and at the same time, (2) he is being treated unfairly by the media.

Trump is an awful human being, but he implemented some terrific policies, and also had some utter failures.

Focusing on the negative and pretending the good things didn’t happen, is necessarily inaccurate and unfair.

i’m secure enough in my beliefs where i can happily admit the good
and bad. You cant.
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Nothing he did is good enough to rationalize Trump

Don Jr. texts Meadows, "He's got to condemn this #^&#^&#^&#^& ASAP." Meadows responds: “I'm pushing it hard."

In other words, Meadows was talking to Trump and pushing him to stop the insurrection. Trump refused. Trump knew was happening, and he refused to act. He was pro-insurrection.
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Nothing he did is good enough to rationalize Trump

Don Jr. texts Meadows, "He's got to condemn this #^&#^&#^&#^& ASAP." Meadows responds: “I'm pushing it hard."

In other words, Meadows was talking to Trump and pushing him to stop the insurrection. Trump refused. Trump knew was happening, and he refused to act. He was pro-insurrection.
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i didn’t rationalize him. i said he’s disgusting as a person, and yet that as an executive, he had some bad failures and also some smashing successes.

he isn’t just the bad stuff. he’s the sum total of everything he says and does, including the good stuff.

you’re desperately trying to prove a political point that you know is weak, consequently you force yourself to ignore everything that isnt bad. you can’t accept the existence of anything that’s favorable.

there were a million things that trump did that made me
cringe. my favorite moment of his presidency, was when trump got a letter from a ten year old
kid who had a business cutting lawns in his town, his dream
was to cut the white house lawn for a few bucks.

so trump brought the kid and his family to the white house, and trump walked back and forth across the lawn with the kid as he happily cut the grass. it was a great moment. it was terrific.

the liberal reaction on tv that night, was that trump should have been investigated for violating child labor laws. it was ridiculous. but it was entirely predictable. you could see it coming a mile away, liberals ripping their hair out trying to find a way to spin it as sinister.

to you, every single thing he says and does, must be painted as evil. because your side can’t accept the possibility that there might be any chinks in the liberal armor, when we all know liberal armor looks like a slice of swiss cheese that’s been put through a paper shredder.

There’s good and bad on both sides. i can admit that, it makes me happy to admit that. you desperately deny it. you know you can only win, if your opponents are portrayed as diabolical. I’m not that desperate or insecure.

admitting that there’s more to him than the bad stuff, isn’t rationalizing the bad stuff. but again, you can’t admit what we all know ( i’m more honest than you are or will ever be), so you paint my honesty as rationalizing that which is immoral.

except that’s not even close to what i did.

you may go back to s*cking your thumb under your bed.

Trumps getting mad at Netanyahu for congratulating Biden, tells us what a vindictive jerk Trump is.

That doesn’t mean he didnt get black unemployment to its lowest level ever recorded. A wonderful
accomplishment that you cannot ever give him credit for.


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i’m secure enough in my beliefs where i can happily admit the good
and bad. You cant.

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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

Nothing he did is good enough to rationalize Trump




and there you have it....we really need to include therapy$$$ in build back better for these people....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

Nothing he did is good enough to rationalize Trump




and there you have it....we really need to include therapy$$$ in build back better for these people....

why not? after all, snowflake
therapy is infastructure.
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If you pay attention you’ll see that all these text messages that Congress read last night went to meadows & not trump, even junior’s, which is pretty much exactly how a mob boss would set it up to avoid leaving records tied directly to him.
It’s not that they don’t know how to text him, it’s that they KNOW not to text him.
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If you pay attention you’ll see that all these text messages that Congress read last night went to meadows & not trump, even junior’s, which is pretty much exactly how a mob boss would set it up to avoid leaving records tied directly to him.
It’s not that they don’t know how to text him, it’s that they KNOW not to text him.
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meanwhile inflation is out of sight, Brown University did a study showing today’s toddlers are meaningfully behind normal averages for vocal and cognitive development, drug overdoses are way up…

but Trump!!!

and i have no problem throwing the book at trump and his puppets. anything to keep him from running again.

but you’d never say anything about the obvious Biden corruption where they got insanely rich by selling influence.

it’s only bad when republicans do it.
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Mark Meadows used his own cellphone, 2 personal Gmail accounts, and Signal for official White House business, Trump supporters live in separate universes when in comes to accountability. Man and party before country

But but Hilary had a email server Lol
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Mark Meadows used his own cellphone, 2 personal Gmail accounts, and Signal for official White House business, Trump supporters live in separate universes when in comes to accountability. Man and party before country

But but Hilary had a email server Lol
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she had a server in her basement which had classified material
on it, and she lied about it as those two always do. and she was very uncooperative about the whole
thing. it’s not a capital
offense but if trump had done the same thing your reaction would be very different.

throw the book at meadows, if he broke the law. is that not a fair response? or should
i call for his execution?

i’m sure you know all about servers and technology, lol.

at the time, john and tdf, i believe, who work with IT and who aren’t blind partisans ( like you), thought it was a pretty big deal
what she did.

but she has a D after her name so no big deal.

LOL.


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If you pay attention you’ll see that all these text messages that Congress read last night went to meadows & not trump, even junior’s, which is pretty much exactly how a mob boss would set it up to avoid leaving records tied directly to him.
It’s not that they don’t know how to text him, it’s that they KNOW not to text him.
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Shocking to hear the texts and even the use of the word Siege yet after the fact they all down play it as if it was no big deal.
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she had a server in her basement which had classified material
on it, and she lied about it as those two always do. and she was very uncooperative about the whole
thing. it’s not a capital
offense but if trump had done the same thing your reaction would be very different.

throw the book at meadows, if he broke the law. is that not a fair response? or should
i call for his execution?

i’m sure you know all about servers and technology, lol.

at the time, john and tdf, i believe, who work with IT and who aren’t blind partisans ( like you), thought it was a pretty big deal
what she did.

but she has a D after her name so no big deal.

LOL.


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As expected in Jim’s world all incidents and outrage are equal. Keeping the lie alive

Email server for Sec of state
Or potus and Chief of staff trying to overthrow the government on private phones and gmail accounts

Yep exactly the same keep up the good work
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As expected in Jim’s world all incidents and outrage are equal. Keeping the lie alive

Email server for Sec of state
Or potus and Chief of staff trying to overthrow the government on private phones and gmail accounts

Yep exactly the same keep up the good work
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"As expected in Jim’s world all incidents and outrage are equal."

As expected, when confronted with a rational, fair argument, you claim that I said something that I never said. I have absolutely no idea the magnitude of the offense committed by each. I'm quite sure you don't either. But I know you'll laugh off what Hilary did, and act like anyone who is critical of her is an idiot.

As I said, if two non-partisan guys here, who both work in IT, say what she did was bad, that tells me something.

You'll let Rachael Maddow tell you whether or not she did anything wrong.

I rarely agree with “Liddle Marco”

“For years to come, there are many people on the right, in the media and voters at large that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump.”

- Sen. Marco Rubio (R), 2016
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I rarely agree with “Liddle Marco”

“For years to come, there are many people on the right, in the media and voters at large that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump.”

- Sen. Marco Rubio (R), 2016
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Is he explaining why he then fell into the trap of supporting Donald Trump? Or was his quote just sour grapes BS?

I rarely agree with “Liddle Marco”

“For years to come, there are many people on the right, in the media and voters at large that are going to be having to explain and justify how they fell into this trap of supporting Donald Trump.”

- Sen. Marco Rubio (R), 2016
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and if i post a quote from tulsi gabbard, where she attacks biden and harris, what does that mean to you?

nothing.

anything that smears republicans is always valid.
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and if i post a quote from tulsi gabbard, where she attacks biden and harris, what does that mean to you?

nothing.

anything that smears republicans is always valid.
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Just remember Everything Trump Touches Dies

Neither Biden or Harris were members of a seditious conspiracy, or violated their oath of office like Trump did on January 6th
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bam.
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Just remember Everything Trump Touches Dies


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beyond stupid. so unbelievably stupid.
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Just remember Everything Trump Touches Dies


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Did ISIS ask you to say that?
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Does anyone have a picture of Pete that they can post ?
I really need to put a visual with this nut job ?
:screwy:
And is he posting from some mental institution :huh:

Know who has been awful quiet since Liz Cheney started rolling out evidence?

Donald Trump
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Does anyone have a picture of Pete that they can post ?
I really need to put a visual with this nut job ?
:screwy:
And is he posting from some mental institution :huh:

Your hero was asked by Bill O’Reilly this weekend which world leaders he “enjoyed speaking with the most.” Trump responded with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong-un - “he wrote me beautiful letters, I call them love letters.”

Trump’s favorite leaders to deal with are three communist tyrants—one of whom calls the collapse of Communist Russia the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century. And just how bizarre is it that Trumplicans applaud at the mere mention of North Korea’s dictator? How Un-American can you get and then claim like Trump that you’re Patriots?
Sad
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Your hero was asked by Bill O’Reilly this weekend which world leaders he “enjoyed speaking with the most.” Trump responded with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong-un - “he wrote me beautiful letters, I call them love letters.”

Trump’s favorite leaders to deal with are three communist tyrants—one of whom calls the collapse of Communist Russia the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century. And just how bizarre is it that Trumplicans applaud at the mere mention of North Korea’s dictator? How Un-American can you get and then claim like Trump that you’re Patriots?
Sad
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Enjoying speaking with them doesn't mean he endorsed their systems of government. He obviously doesn't endorse communism or communist governments. In the response to O'reilly he referred to Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong-un as tyrants. He said he enjoyed speaking with many world leaders, but he felt he was more successful with the tyrants. That's probably why he enjoyed them more. As you know, he likes to be, or to consider himself to be, successful.

And it's not un-American for Trump to enjoy speaking to communists. On the other hand, one might question how pro-American and anti-Communist it is to be ideologically tied to the Communist party of the USA. As in the Democrat party allowing itself to be effectively supported by the Communist Party with whom they have an almost mirror image platform:

https://cpusa.org/article/people-power-at-the-ballot-box-and-beyond/

And as in the Democrat Party being infiltrated by the CPUSA which affirms loyalty to Beijing:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/communist-party-usa-affirms-loyalty-to-beijing_3749844.html

https://amac.us/democrats-allow-communists-to-infiltrate-their-party-across-the-nation/

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project
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pete...better step up your misinformation campaign, maybe add a room in the basement bunker, as the nation is desperately relying on you to prevent trump from running in 2024....I heard brandon plans to try to retain his title:hihi:....might need a new running mate tho'...pelosi would be an excellent choice

Your hero was asked by Bill O’Reilly this weekend which world leaders he “enjoyed speaking with the most.” Trump responded with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong-un - “he wrote me beautiful letters, I call them love letters.”

Trump’s favorite leaders to deal with are three communist tyrants—one of whom calls the collapse of Communist Russia the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century. And just how bizarre is it that Trumplicans applaud at the mere mention of North Korea’s dictator? How Un-American can you get and then claim like Trump that you’re Patriots?
Sad
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Hey, Hillary cries!

Enjoying speaking with them doesn't mean he endorsed their systems of government.

Spin it baby
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Every day, Fox News takes another step toward its destiny as The Tucker Carlson Channel, and in that future, there’s no room for journalists.
Pure Propaganda all the time
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I like what Trevor Noah said “If one person at your network has no integrity, that’s a problem. If nobody has integrity, that’s a company policy.”

Does anyone have a picture of Pete that they can post ?
I really need to put a visual with this nut job ?
:screwy:
And is he posting from some mental institution :huh:

Seems sort of Gay that you want a picture of a guy.

I like what Trevor Noah said “If one person at your network has no integrity, that’s a problem. If nobody has integrity, that’s a company policy.”

so CNN has multiple hosts and producers exposed as jerks and perverts.

The January 6th commission recently read texts to Meadows from multiple foxnews hosts, who were urging the trump administration to do what it could, to put a halt to the january 6 riot. It appears those hosts are opposed to riots, regardless of who the rioters voted for.

on msnbc and cnn, during the summer of love riots, the hosts denied and misreported the violence or encouraged it. those rioters were anti trump, so it’s ok when they rioted.

i’m sure there are nice people and jerks at every network.
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and if i post a quote from tulsi gabbard, where she attacks biden and harris, what does that mean to you?

nothing.


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No, its usually meh. Tulsi is playing an interesting role right now for herself.

She checks a lot of boxes (women, veteran, surfer), but she keeps trying to walk this outsider/tell it like it is crowd (hence her wimpy 'present' vote on impeachment) and as a result gets a fair amount of love from the right (The S Other Forum mentions her frequently), BUT, ironically I doubt most of them realized she is far from a centrist and she is basically Bernie Sanders on many of her high profile positions.

I don't dislike many of her positions (particularly on being less of a police state for other countries and being less interventionist), but as a candidate but she may have pissed in the DNC cheerios too much to get much traction beyond the Joe Rogan demographic.

No, its usually meh. Tulsi is playing an interesting role right now for herself.

She checks a lot of boxes (women, veteran, surfer), but she keeps trying to walk this outsider/tell it like it is crowd (hence her wimpy 'present' vote on impeachment) and as a result gets a fair amount of love from the right (The S Other Forum mentions her frequently), BUT, ironically I doubt most of them realized she is far from a centrist and she is basically Bernie Sanders on many of her high profile positions.

I don't dislike many of her positions (particularly on being less of a police state for other countries and being less interventionist), but as a candidate but she may have pissed in the DNC cheerios too much to get much traction beyond the Joe Rogan demographic.

sounds like she's more genuine that the other frauds....trump pissed in lots of cheerios and got elected president:btu:

so CNN has multiple hosts and producers exposed as jerks and perverts.what CNN hosts where exposed as perverts? I think Fox has had far more hosts fired for sexual assault/etc.

The January 6th commission recently read texts to Meadows from multiple foxnews hosts, who were urging the trump administration to do what it could, to put a halt to the january 6 riot. It appears those hosts are opposed to riots, regardless of who the rioters voted for. and those same hosts were at the same time lying and saying the insurrection wasn't a big deal

on msnbc and cnn, during the summer of love riots, the hosts denied and misreported the violence or encouraged it. those rioters were anti trump, so it’s ok when they rioted.

i’m sure there are nice people and jerks at every network.
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I agree there are jerks at every network but I believe you claimed CNN wasn't honest (or the hosts only read what they are told to read).

what CNN hosts where exposed as perverts?



A long time CNN producer was just arrested for some pretty sick stuff…plus

Last year, Jeffrey Toobin, CNN’s chief legal analyst, was suspended by The New Yorker for masturbating while on a Zoom call with colleagues. When Zucker found out about this grotesque display, CNN did not even suspend Toobin, but instead allowed him to take a requested leave of absence. Zucker then welcomed Toobin back to CNN just a few months later.

Even more problematic, another CNN prime time news anchor, Don Lemon, currently stands accused of sexually assaulting a younger man at a Hamptons bar a few years ago. The man alleges Lemon “put his hand down the front of his own shorts, and vigorously rubbed his genitalia, removed his hand” and then shoved his fingers in the alleged victim’s face and aggressively asked if he “like[d] p***y or d**ck.” In the aftermath of the Cuomo fallout, Lemon’s alleged victim described CNN as “a predator protecting machine…rife with predators and perverts.”
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No, its usually meh. Tulsi is playing an interesting role right now for herself.

She checks a lot of boxes (women, veteran, surfer), but she keeps trying to walk this outsider/tell it like it is crowd (hence her wimpy 'present' vote on impeachment) and as a result gets a fair amount of love from the right (The S Other Forum mentions her frequently), BUT, ironically I doubt most of them realized she is far from a centrist and she is basically Bernie Sanders on many of her high profile positions.

I don't dislike many of her positions (particularly on being less of a police state for other countries and being less interventionist), but as a candidate but she may have pissed in the DNC cheerios too much to get much traction beyond the Joe Rogan demographic.

Tulsi is like Liz Cheney, fell out of popularity a little on her own side, trying to make friends with the other party.

My point was, the lefties here implied that because even Liz Cheney criticizes Trump, that means Trump musty be bad. Fine. Using that same logic, if Tulsi Gabbard says that Biden and Harris are bad, they must also be bad.

I agree there are jerks at every network but I believe you claimed CNN wasn't honest (or the hosts only read what they are told to read).

"what CNN hosts where exposed as perverts? "

Cuomos status went from suspended to fired, because of accusations of sexual harassment.

And have you seen the lawsuit against Don Lemon? Not proven yet, but my God is it perverted,

Jeff Toobin as a huge pervert obviously, no ne except CNN will go near him.

And the well known producer arrested for having sex with girls as young as 7.

"I think Fox has had far more hosts fired for sexual assault/etc."

Maybe Fox can afford to fire them. CNN lets their garbage stick around.

"and those same hosts were at the same time lying and saying the insurrection wasn't a big deal"

Got video of fox hosts saying that?

Chris Cuomo said on air during the George Floyd riots, "show me where it says protests are supposed to be peaceful".

Foxnews has more than a few lying, partisan clowns for sure (Hannity is the most glaring). But from what I see, Fox has the only hosts that will criticize politicians on their side, and praise the other side for having good ideas.

A long time CNN producer was just arrested for some pretty sick stuff…pluswhat the heck is a producer? and he was fired as soon as they found out about it.

Last year, Jeffrey Toobin, CNN’s chief legal analyst, was suspended by The New Yorker for masturbating while on a Zoom call with colleagues. When Zucker found out about this grotesque display, CNN did not even suspend Toobin, but instead allowed him to take a requested leave of absence. Zucker then welcomed Toobin back to CNN just a few months later.

Even more problematic, another CNN prime time news anchor, Don Lemon, currently stands accused of sexually assaulting a younger man at a Hamptons bar a few years ago. The man alleges Lemon “put his hand down the front of his own shorts, and vigorously rubbed his genitalia, removed his hand” and then shoved his fingers in the alleged victim’s face and aggressively asked if he “like[d] p***y or d**ck.” In the aftermath of the Cuomo fallout, Lemon’s alleged victim described CNN as “a predator protecting machine…rife with predators and perverts.”
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You forgot to comment on the 2nd half of the quote - a quick search shows Fox had more hosts than CNN in trouble - not that I think what a host does sexually reflects on the network.

You forgot to comment on the 2nd half of the quote - a quick search shows Fox had more hosts than CNN in trouble - not that I think what a host does sexually reflects on the network.

"he was fired as soon as they found out about it."

Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, and Jeff Toobin were on air at CNN long after there were some very strange accusations made, in Toobins case we know what happened.

Paul, how many people are on the air in places other than CNN, who have masturbated in front of coworkers, during work Zoom calls?

not that I think what a host does sexually reflects on the network.



The host are typically lecturing everyone on behalf of the network so when you find out they are assaulting victims. It reflects on the network
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"what CNN hosts where exposed as perverts? "

Cuomos status went from suspended to fired, because of accusations of sexual harassment.

And have you seen the lawsuit against Don Lemon? Not proven yet, but my God is it perverted,

Jeff Toobin as a huge pervert obviously, no ne except CNN will go near him.

And the well known producer arrested for having sex with girls as young as 7.

"I think Fox has had far more hosts fired for sexual assault/etc."

Maybe Fox can afford to fire them. CNN lets their garbage stick around.

"and those same hosts were at the same time lying and saying the insurrection wasn't a big deal"

Got video of fox hosts saying that?
Yes, there was lots of video so you can look up and see how dishonest they are
Chris Cuomo said on air during the George Floyd riots, "show me where it says protests are supposed to be peaceful".

Foxnews has more than a few lying, partisan clowns for sure (Hannity is the most glaring). But from what I see, Fox has the only hosts that will criticize politicians on their side, and praise the other side for having good ideas.

With the recent people leaving Fox, they have no one who doesn't deviate from the company line. And look up the videos of the hosts lying at the same time as they were sending emails to Meadows.

With the recent people leaving Fox, they have no one who doesn't deviate from the company line. And look up the videos of the hosts lying at the same time as they were sending emails to Meadows.

Tucker Carlson spent a lot of
time last week trashing mitch mcconnell and lindsay graham. he’s their 8pm anchor. same with brett baier.

what hosts at cnn and msnbc routinely disagree with powerful liberals? and criticizing joe manchin doesn’t count.
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With the recent people leaving Fox, they have no one who doesn't deviate from the company line.



so they are just like cnn and msnbc now....seems fair and balanced:bl:

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project
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Did your brain just robotically fart out your political MO for us to admire, or is this supposed to be a serious response to something?

Enjoying speaking with them doesn't mean he endorsed their systems of government.

Spin it baby
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O well and fountainhead of wisdom, please enlighten us on why enjoying speaking with someone endorses his system of government.

Got video of fox hosts saying that?



No Video but:

Text messages released by the January 6 House select committee on Monday showed that Fox News hosts were among those urging the former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to get then-President Donald Trump to call off his supporters as they swarmed the Capitol.

Their efforts then are in stark contrast with the message they gave to their viewers on the day of the riot.

Sean Hannity, a longtime friend and confidant to Trump, texted Meadows in a bid to get Trump to call off his supporters.

"Can he make a statement, Ask people to leave the Capitol," Hannity's message read.

—Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) December 14, 2021
Laura Ingraham, a network host and hardline Trump ally, echoed the request.

"Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy," she texted Meadows.

—Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) December 14, 2021
And Brian Kilmeade, a host of "Fox & Friends," texted: "Please, get him on TV. Destroying everything you have accomplished."

The hosts, clearly dismayed, all gave the same impression: Trump had the power to stop the riot but did not use it.

But as the three went on air that night, their focus was on shifting the blame away from Trump and his supporters.

All three condemned the violence but played up baseless theories that the damage done was mainly the fault of left-wing groups.

Ingraham used her January 6 show to argue that the rioters didn't look like Trump supporters.

"I have never seen Trump rally attendees wearing helmets — black helmets, brown helmets, black backpacks — the uniforms that you saw in some of these crowd shots," she said. "Have you ever seen them wearing, as Chris said, those knee pads and all of the pads on their elbows?

"I've been to a lot of these rallies. I know you, you both have covered them. I have never seen that before. Ever."

Kilmeade in an interview on Fox News that evening expressed skepticism that Trump supporters were behind the violence.

"I do not know Trump supporters that have ever demonstrated violence that I know of in a big situation," he said.

And Hannity on his radio show that night pushed the conspiracy theory that antifa, the loose anti-fascist movement, had infiltrated the protests.

On his TV show, he suggested that "bad actors" may have been behind the chaos.

"We also knew that there's also bad actors that will infiltrate large crowds," he said during his opening segment that night.

A Fox News spokesperson did not immediately reply to Insider's request for comment.

Several of the network's hosts in the wake of the riot continued to push conspiracy theories about who was behind the violence and sought to absolve Trump of blame.

The top-rated host Tucker Carlson in a recent documentary groundlessly claimed that law enforcement had instigated the violence on January 6 as part of a bid to discredit Trump supporters.

No Video but:

Text messages released by the January 6 House select committee on Monday showed that Fox News hosts were among those urging the former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to get then-President Donald Trump to call off his supporters as they swarmed the Capitol.

Their efforts then are in stark contrast with the message they gave to their viewers on the day of the riot.

Sean Hannity, a longtime friend and confidant to Trump, texted Meadows in a bid to get Trump to call off his supporters.

"Can he make a statement, Ask people to leave the Capitol," Hannity's message read.

—Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) December 14, 2021
Laura Ingraham, a network host and hardline Trump ally, echoed the request.

"Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy," she texted Meadows.

—Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) December 14, 2021
And Brian Kilmeade, a host of "Fox & Friends," texted: "Please, get him on TV. Destroying everything you have accomplished."

The hosts, clearly dismayed, all gave the same impression: Trump had the power to stop the riot but did not use it.

But as the three went on air that night, their focus was on shifting the blame away from Trump and his supporters.

All three condemned the violence but played up baseless theories that the damage done was mainly the fault of left-wing groups.

Ingraham used her January 6 show to argue that the rioters didn't look like Trump supporters.

"I have never seen Trump rally attendees wearing helmets — black helmets, brown helmets, black backpacks — the uniforms that you saw in some of these crowd shots," she said. "Have you ever seen them wearing, as Chris said, those knee pads and all of the pads on their elbows?

"I've been to a lot of these rallies. I know you, you both have covered them. I have never seen that before. Ever."

Kilmeade in an interview on Fox News that evening expressed skepticism that Trump supporters were behind the violence.

"I do not know Trump supporters that have ever demonstrated violence that I know of in a big situation," he said.

And Hannity on his radio show that night pushed the conspiracy theory that antifa, the loose anti-fascist movement, had infiltrated the protests.

On his TV show, he suggested that "bad actors" may have been behind the chaos.

"We also knew that there's also bad actors that will infiltrate large crowds," he said during his opening segment that night.

A Fox News spokesperson did not immediately reply to Insider's request for comment.

Several of the network's hosts in the wake of the riot continued to push conspiracy theories about who was behind the violence and sought to absolve Trump of blame.

The top-rated host Tucker Carlson in a recent documentary groundlessly claimed that law enforcement had instigated the violence on January 6 as part of a bid to discredit Trump supporters.

trump supporters had never engaged in violent riots before that day. they were correct in saying so. before january 6, politically motivated violence was just about always done by liberals. we can’t say that anymore, but we could in january 6th.

if someone said in that day that teump needs to try to get them to stop, and also says that trump supporters had never before acted this way on anything close to that scale, how is that wrong?

Hannity his a clown. i don’t watch Ingraham or Kilmeade. but there’s nothing all that wrong with what your post, claims they did.
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Self-proclaimed Proud Boy gets 10 years for 2020 protest crimes.
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Hannity his a clown. i don’t watch Ingraham or Kilmeade.

Of course you can’t find fault in what they said.. you are unable to follow the bouncing ball


Imagine if Rachel Maddow. Sent Biden a text pleading with him to do something. Your head would explode .. hell you think the entire left watches her show! What’s funny we know all trumpers watch and listen to the fox big 3 Tucker hannity and Ingram ..
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Hannity his a clown. i don’t watch Ingraham or Kilmeade.

Of course you can’t find fault in what they said.. you are unable to follow the bouncing ball


Imagine if Rachel Maddow. Sent Biden a text pleading with him to do something. Your head would explode .. hell you think the entire left watches her show! What’s funny we know all trumpers watch and listen to the fox big 3 Tucker hannity and Ingram ..
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instead of insulting me for not finding fault with what they said, tell us why a reasonable
person would find fault.

tell me, what’s wrong with someone saying on juju 6, that (1) we need to stop the violence now, and (2) commenting that trump supporters have never engaged in large-scale politically motivated violence before.

you tell me what’s wrong with that. i’m all ears.

you think the presidents chief of staff doesn’t communicate with friendly media outlets? that’s what bothers you? you think it’s bad that foxnews hosts contacted the chief of staff to try and out an end to violence?

you think cnn and msnbc staff don’t regularly communicate with senior officials of the biden administration? i’m sure they do, and i could care less. that has to be a normal thing in politics, but as always, you only care when republicans do it.

do you get tired of being totally wrong?

you’re not upset with what the fox hosts texted, you’re upset that they sent texts to the chief of staff?

seriously? why would
anyone care about that?
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tell me, what’s wrong with someone saying on juju 6, that (1) we need to stop the violence now, and (2) commenting that trump supporters have never engaged in large-scale politically motivated violence before.


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BC they were implying that it wasn't Trump supports but rather ANTIFA or someone else when they clearly knew that it was Trump's supporters. So they lied on air - and they continue to lie to this day. And don't forget they weren't saying those things to the same people. They were saying them to different people. Putting those 2 statements together sounds fine but you didn't include the full statements and you didn't note it was to different people.

And let's not forgot how Repub. congressman spent time trying to figure out how to steal the election and subvert the will of the people.

BC they were implying that it wasn't Trump supports but rather ANTIFA or someone else when they clearly knew that it was Trump's supporters. So they lied on air - and they continue to lie to this day. And don't forget they weren't saying those things to the same people. They were saying them to different people. Putting those 2 statements together sounds fine but you didn't include the full statements and you didn't note it was to different people.

And let's not forgot how Repub. congressman spent time trying to figure out how to steal the election and subvert the will of the people.


at the time, they were right. we know that liberals went to tea party rallies with racist signs to discredit them. it wasn’t all that kooky a thing to say then

turns out it was just republicans acting horribly.

“they clearly knew it was trump supporters.”

i don’t know they knew that. asking meadows to try to stop the riot, isn’t the same thing as knowing who the rioters are.

now we know. at the moment? i don’t know who knew what.
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Keep trying to deflect. They knew bc they were sending texts saying it is going to ruin our legacy.

Keep trying to deflect. They knew bc they were sending texts saying it is going to ruin our legacy.

it’s not “their” legacy either.
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Jim’s obviously lying to avoid acknowledging Trump’s complicity.
He claims that no Trump supporter committed any violence prior to Jan 6 while on numerous occasions people who supported Trump committed crimes.
All across the country right wing activists committed crimes to further their agenda.
Jim doesn’t agree with their politics completely, or claims that they have yet to be convicted and therefore they don’t count, but yet he paints the left with the crimes of any vandal that took advantage of the cover of protests.
Just more

Gaslighting
Obstruction
Projection
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it’s not “their” legacy either.
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I agree it doesn't hurt their legacy. But one of the comments was it hurts "all" of us.
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I heard the democraps are planning a big january 6th celebration...probably make it a holiday...Happy Insurrection Day!!!

schiff is pathetic ..https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/15/during-january-6-hearing-schiff-doctored-text-messages-between-mark-meadows-and-rep-jim-jordan/

"Oops, he did it again. After leaking fake Donald Trump, Jr. emails, fabricating the transcript of a 2019 phone call between former President Donald Trump and Ukraine’s president, and lying about his interactions with the so-called whistleblower behind House Democrats’ first impeachment of Trump, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., is now running the same con against a fellow lawmaker. During a hearing Monday night on the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Adam Schiff claimed to have proof that a member of Congress texted former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to instruct former Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.

Not only did Schiff misrepresent the substance of the text message and its source, he even doctored original text messages, which were obtained and reviewed by The Federalist in their entirety."

I heard the democraps are planning a big january 6th celebration...probably make it a holiday...Happy Insurrection Day!!!

schiff is pathetic ..https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/15/during-january-6-hearing-schiff-doctored-text-messages-between-mark-meadows-and-rep-jim-jordan/

"Oops, he did it again. After leaking fake Donald Trump, Jr. emails, fabricating the transcript of a 2019 phone call between former President Donald Trump and Ukraine’s president, and lying about his interactions with the so-called whistleblower behind House Democrats’ first impeachment of Trump, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., is now running the same con against a fellow lawmaker. During a hearing Monday night on the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Adam Schiff claimed to have proof that a member of Congress texted former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to instruct former Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.

Not only did Schiff misrepresent the substance of the text message and its source, he even doctored original text messages, which were obtained and reviewed by The Federalist in their entirety."
i’m curious to see the lefty response to Schiffs stunts.

“But Trump is even WORSE, because…”
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Now adding a period is doctoring

Gym Jordan suggested that GOP-controlled states anoint Trump electors “before those states were even called.”

This wasn't overturning the election. This was scrapping democracy before the votes were even counted.

The flurry of lawsuits to block production of documents suggests there is more — and worse — to come. They will all lose their subpoena challenges and the truth will come out. In the absence of a genuine privilege, “The public has a right to every man’s evidence.”
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"Hillary 2024"...Schiff would be a great running mate...

blah....blah...blah...suggests there is more — and worse — to come.

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:deadhorse:

you, the democrats and cnn and msnbc really need a new hobby...nobody cares:uhuh:

:deadhorse:

you, the democrats and cnn and msnbc really need a new hobby...nobody cares:uhuh:

If you read Gym Jordan’s message you would find the typical gaslighting.

It's probably a waste of time to point out that a) as much as we all love the Federalist Papers, they were a series of newspaper columns with the specific political purpose of ginning up support for a Constitution that hadn’t been ratified yet, and b) Hubbard v. Lowe was a case involving the constitutionality of the Cotton Futures Act and, as such, has no value in judging the constitutionality of how Mike Pence conducted the constitutional powers of his office. It’s like citing Marbury v. Madison while appealing a decision by your condo board. But chasing after everything Jim Jordan doesn’t know anything about is an exhausting pursuit.

What’s clear is that the committee investigating the events of January 6 has made it quite plain that Jordan was hip-deep in the parliamentary front of the general assault on the democratic process, and that, if this week is any indication, Chairman Thompson is a pretty deft hand at the drip-drip-drip school of persuasion for reluctant potential witnesses.

Keep claiming that it’s a nothing burger, it’s the Trumplicans only hope….
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If you read Gym Jordan’s message you would find the typical gaslighting.

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let's see how many times you can repeat this word in one thread...I think pauls holds the record:rolleyes:

it’s the Trumplicans only hope….

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only hope for what?

hey, it's been suggested in the past that some democrats could run for office from jail...could trump potentially do that if pete sticks the pin in the right part of the doll and trump goes down?

only hope for what?

hey, it's been suggested in the past that some democrats could run for office from jail...could trump potentially do that if pete sticks the pin in the right part of the doll and trump goes down?

as of right now, the republicans have exactly half the senate, only 5(?) seats shy of a tie in the house, and a small majority of governorships and state legislatures.

every single poll says that if the midterms were today, the gop would
win in a rout.

yet he’s acting like the gop is on the fringe of extinction .

wicked smaht.
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Now adding a period is doctoring


Yes, it is. But he also did much more than adding a period. He chopped up the messages and excluded parts that made it look entirely different than it was. Representative Bishop fairly suggested that Schiff is the “Jussie Smollet of Congress,”

One of the lawmakers that the Federalist interviewed commented that "if it’s somehow seditious in this country to debate or share a law review article on Alexander Hamilton’s view on things, that’s not really a country I want to be a part of anymore.”

The Federalist pointed out some of Schiff's and his team's "long history of doctoring and fabricating evidence to show their political enemies in the worst possible light."

The left rails that Trump has been trying to overthrow the 2020 election, but overlooks Schiff's phony, lying, fabricating attempts to impeach Trump which were an attempt to overthrow the 2016 election.

The midterms are not today
Biden’s polls are rising
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Now adding a period is doctoring

Gym Jordan suggested that GOP-controlled states anoint Trump electors “before those states were even called.”

This wasn't overturning the election. This was scrapping democracy before the votes were even counted.

The flurry of lawsuits to block production of documents suggests there is more — and worse — to come. They will all lose their subpoena challenges and the truth will come out. In the absence of a genuine privilege, “The public has a right to every man’s evidence.”
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I looked it up and was shocked to see what the doctoring was but then realized that is the R party these days. Sad.

let's see how many times you can repeat this word in one thread...I think pauls holds the record:rolleyes:

Don't think I ever used that word.

It must suck being a snarky troll.

Don't think I ever used that word.

It must suck being a snarky troll.

not that word....some others...

Biden’s polls are rising

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:laugha:

:laugha:

Biden is a shoe-in.
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The midterms are not today
Biden’s polls are rising
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then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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This is true. Trump will have to run from jail. Which isn’t much different from Biden running from his basement and trump will have all of his supporters behind bars with him so he’ll still draw huge crowds. Biden will definitely be more lucid and spry in three more years and Kamala. Well……
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This is true. Trump will have to run from jail. Which isn’t much different from Biden running from his basement and trump will have all of his supporters behind bars with him so he’ll still draw huge crowds. Biden will definitely be more lucid and spry in three more years and Kamala. Well……
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the GOP is completely screwed. And they deserve it, since they’re in the habit of denying federal aid to victims of disasters, they’re all white supremacists, and the GOP only cares about rich people, even though the democrat party is now the clear home of the wealthy, even Pete knows this.
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the GOP is completely screwed. And they deserve it, since they’re in the habit of denying federal aid to victims of disasters, they’re all white supremacists, and the GOP only cares about rich people, even though the democrat party is now the clear home of the wealthy, even Pete knows this.
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any inflation is imaginary and biden is a great president and the economy is the best ever...seriously.......

Amazing how Biden drove up prices of everything worldwide.

Amazing how Biden drove up prices of everything worldwide.

yup, that’s exactly what scott said!
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Amazing how Biden drove up prices of everything worldwide.

According to the Wharton School of Business at University of Pennsylvania ( not according to foxnews), when you look at inflation for the 35 developed nations, the USA is tied for highest inflation.

there isn’t a developed nation with higher inflation.

I’m sorry Pete, but both Trump and Biden contributed to that.

Are you familiar with the concept of supply, demand, and price?

When you drastically increase the supply of something ( like the supply of dollars), you run the risk of decreasing the value of that something.

Trump and Biden insanely increased the amount of money. The value of that money is now lower. It’s not rocket science.

The relationship of supply and price applies even when it’s not politically convenient for you.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-tied-for-highest-inflation-of-all-the-worlds-developed-nations-imf?al_applink_data=%7B%22target_url%22%3A%22https %3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fwww.dailywire.com%5C%2Fnews%5C%2Fu-s-tied-for-highest-inflation-of-all-the-worlds-developed-nations-imf%3Futm_source%3Dfacebook%26utm_medium%3Dsocial% 26utm_campaign%3Dbenshapiro%26fbclid%3DIwAR10oXtjj h676lLWZnBFuGfGza1xli5W1luS-1mgoBxBYU-cFHP2_agdyX0%22%2C%22extras%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22refer er_app_link%22%3A%7B%22url%22%3A%22fb%3A%5C%2F%5C% 2F%5C%2F%22%2C%22app_name%22%3A%22Facebook%22%7D%7 D
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yup, that’s exactly what scott said!
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And when our economy crashed due to the worldwide pandemic effects, Pete wasn't concerned about "worldwide" then. Then he put the blame on Trump.

And when our economy crashed due to the worldwide pandemic effects, Pete wasn't concerned about "worldwide" then. Then he put the blame on Trump.

Yup!
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And when our economy crashed due to the worldwide pandemic effects, Pete wasn't concerned about "worldwide" then. Then he put the blame on Trump.

pete, this is a decent point. the pandemic is a global event, but you blame trump for the pain it’s caused americans.

inflation is also a global event, and you say Biden isn’t responsible.

Care to explain the flip top? A cynical person would say all that matters to you is partisan politics, but I’m certain there’s a more fair logic behind your lack of consistency there.
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pete, this is a decent point. the pandemic is a global event, but you blame trump for the pain it’s caused americans.

inflation is also a global event, and you say Biden isn’t responsible.

Care to explain the flip top? A cynical person would say all that matters to you is partisan politics, but I’m certain there’s a more fair logic behind your lack of consistency there.
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I posted this more than a year ago, now there is more evidence of Trump's malfeasance and the effect on our Covid response.
Ask Chris Christie who he got covid from or read Mark Meadows book, plenty of witnesses and reports from people in the rooms.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding

I posted this more than a year ago, now there is more evidence of Trump's malfeasance and the effect on our Covid response.
Ask Chris Christie who he got covid from or read Mark Meadows book, plenty of witnesses and reports from people in the rooms.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding

This is your typical hypothetical BS that you present as fact merely by saying it.

It even contradicts itself. You posit that if Trump said what he actually knew, the world would be different. On the other hand, if he did so, you say that "we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world." Which indicates that Trump was not the cause of the world's pandemic problem and that the world already knew what you think is the truth. As did Fauci, the CDC, et. al--who, BTW, also lied for the same reason that Trump did, to prevent a panic reaction.

And the pandemic caused a world-wide massive economic recession but you tried to pin the blame of our recession on Trump. Of course, unlike your blaming our economic problem on Trump in spite of the world-wide collapse, this time you imply that Biden's policies are not the cause of our financial problems, but that they're caused by the worldwide failures.

This is your typical hypothetical BS that you present as fact merely by saying it.

It even contradicts itself. You posit that if Trump said what he actually knew, the world would be different. On the other hand, if he did so, you say that "we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world." Which indicates that Trump was not the cause of the world's pandemic problem and that the world already knew what you think is the truth. As did Fauci, the CDC, et. al--who, BTW, also lied for the same reason that Trump did, to prevent a panic reaction.

And the pandemic caused a world-wide massive economic recession but you tried to pin the blame of our recession on Trump. Of course, unlike your blaming our economic problem on Trump in spite of the world-wide collapse, this time you imply that Biden's policies are not the cause of our financial problems, but that they're caused by the worldwide failures.

You’re somewhat correct, I should have said our world, but you’d spin that also
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You’re somewhat correct, I should have said our world, but you’d spin that also
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I didn't spin anything. You, as you often do, conjectured, presented a hypothetical as if it were fact, made it as if Trump knew something that others didn't but hid what he knew and lied and that was the reason that the world or "our world" was different than if he had told us what he really knew. But you left out that what he supposedly knew was known by those who advised him, such as Fauci and the CDC, and as well by the WHO and the Chinese regime (which knew it before anyone and didn't, as they were obliged to do, tell the rest of us). Trump didn't just make up stuff out of thin air. He repeated things, in his awkward way, that our various "experts" said or were publicly saying, as well as what the WHO was saying. And all of whom initially withheld some of what they knew in order to prevent various kinds of panic reaction. Or, possibly, to hide some of their own failings or malfeasance.