Senator Warren says Elon Musk is a free loader who doesn’t pay his fair share.

Musk will reportedly pay $11 billion in federal taxes for 2021.

We can talk all we want about how unfair it is that someone is worth tens of billions of dollars while others struggle, and you get zero argument from me that it’s unfair.

But paying $11 billion sure isn’t freeloading.

Princess Lies Through Her Teeth is a US Senator in the party which also controls the House and the white house. so if they want to make the federal income taxes more progressive, who’s stopping them?

She’s a lying, bitter, angry, unlikeable little shrew.

She’s a lying, bitter, angry, unlikeable little shrew.
Takes one to know one Jim.

And please stop mocking my heritage, it's not a good look.

Takes one to know one Jim.

And please stop mocking my heritage, it's not a good look.

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"Takes one to know one Jim"

I am cracking up over this, not angry at all.

If you don't care that she hijacked your heritage for personal gain, it would appear you aren't actually that sensitive to it. So spare us your selective, fake outrage.

If you don't care that she hijacked your heritage for personal gain, it would appear you aren't actually that sensitive to it. So spare us your selective, fake outrage.
I'm not sure getting a recipe into a cookbook is a great example of personal gain. She took a DNA test that even confirmed she does have some Native American blood. She just can't trace it back to the Dawes Rolls.

Musk has paid no tax previously despite billions in income. He says he's against government assistance yet takes billions in Federal subsidies. Total hypocrite.

I'm not sure getting a recipe into a cookbook is a great example of personal gain. She took a DNA test that even confirmed she does have some Native American blood. She just can't trace it back to the Dawes Rolls.

Musk has paid no tax previously despite billions in income. He says he's against government assistance yet takes billions in Federal subsidies. Total hypocrite.

"I'm not sure getting a recipe into a cookbook is a great example of personal gain"

I agree.

But getting a gig at Harvard paying 400k a year, would qualify as a good example of personal gain.

"She took a DNA test that even confirmed she does have some Native American blood"

Yes, and if I remember correctly, her Native American DNA was between 1/64th and 1/512th of her total DNA.

Musk has paid no tax previously"

Did he break the law? If he didn't break the law, and you're unhappy with his taxes, then your issue is with the tax law. Right now, your side controls the entire federal government, so if you're unhappy with tax law, guess who that means you have a beef with?

As of 2020, Tesla had 71,000 employees in the US. That's 71,000 jobs created, 71,000 families whose livelihood Musk is responsible for. That, plus $11 billion in taxes this year. Are we entitled to more than $11 billion from him?

"yet takes billions in Federal subsidies. Total hypocrite"

Again, take it up with your congressional delegation if you think federal policy is so stupid. Do you pay more than the law says you must? If the federal government offers subsidies to makers of electric cars, Musk should turn that money down, and give an advantage to his competitors?

But getting a gig at Harvard paying 400k a year, would qualify as a good example of personal gain.
There's no evidence this had any impact on her being hired.

Yes, and if I remember correctly, her Native American DNA was between 1/64th and 1/512th of her total DNA.
Amount of blood usually only matters if the tribe distributes revenue from say a casino or other business. The Cherokee tribe grants citizenship to any amount of blood as long as you have the right documentation. She still shouldn't have checked the box but this scandal is so freaking overblown it's ridiculous.

There's no evidence this had any impact on her being hired.


Amount of blood usually only matters if the tribe distributes revenue from say a casino or other business. The Cherokee tribe grants citizenship to any amount of blood as long as you have the right documentation. She still shouldn't have checked the box but this scandal is so freaking overblown it's ridiculous.


harvard bragged about her being a native american in one obscure publication. but you’re going to deny that being a minority, helps one get a job at harvard? i remember the awful
movie Soul Man, everyone who saw that movie understood that there are affirmative action type advantages of not being white.

“she shouldn’t have checked the box”

why? all you’ve done is say she’s correct, and don’t benefit at all. so why shouldn’t she have checked that bix?
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harvard bragged about her being a native american in one obscure publication.
They noted one Native American on a list to promote diversity, AFTER SHE WAS HIRED AND CHECKED THE BOX.

They noted one Native American on a list to promote diversity, AFTER SHE WAS HIRED AND CHECKED THE BOX.

which means they were bragging about her, which means there’s an obvious incentive for a con artist to dishonestly check the box.

i still don’t know why you say she shouldnt have checked the box, since you clearly believe her claim.
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Since 1995, the top 1% took 38% of all additional wealth. The bottom half took 2%.

The last time things were this imbalanced was the period right before the Great Depression. Hard for people to survive when all the money goes to those who don't need it.
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Senator Warren says Elon Musk is a free loader who doesn’t pay his fair share.

Musk will reportedly pay $11 billion in federal taxes for 2021.

We can talk all we want about how unfair it is that someone is worth tens of billions of dollars while others struggle, and you get zero argument from me that it’s unfair.

But paying $11 billion sure isn’t freeloading.

Princess Lies Through Her Teeth is a US Senator in the party which also controls the House and the white house. so if they want to make the federal income taxes more progressive, who’s stopping them?

She’s a lying, bitter, angry, unlikeable little shrew.

So a D Senator who actually has Indian blood and who you thinks is a liar gets you more upset than having almost all R Senators (and like 2/3 of all Rs ) lying about who won the last election.:spin:

Seems like the Rs are the ones who are lying, bitter, angry and more and more unlikeable little shrews.

So a D Senator who actually has Indian blood and who you thinks is a liar gets you more upset than having almost all R Senators (and like 2/3 of all Rs ) lying about who won the last election.:spin:

Seems like the Rs are the ones who are lying, bitter, angry and more and more unlikeable little shrews.

she’s got as much indian blood as many, many people who don’t claim to be native american. she made that claim, in an application for a job at harvard paying $400,000 a year.

if you don’t sense anything the least but suspicious about that, of course that’s your right.

i’m very upset about republicans believing that stupid lie. i don’t like it at all, it undermines our credibility.

Fair enough? i’m much more concerned about republicans believing the big lie. at the same time it’s hysterical that this fraud of a senator ( its ok for her to get rich off college students, and it’s ok for her to get rich flipping foreclosures, but she says it’s immoral when everyone else does it - does that upset YOU?) calls someone a freeloader who has created 70,000 jobs in the US and is about to pay more than $10 billion in federal income tax.

He’s contributed infinitely more than Princess Spreading Bull ever will.

But he’s a freeloader.

Makes all kinds of sense.

Paul, what’s your opinion of a senator who makes tons of money off of college students and flipping foreclosed houses, who at the same time shrieks in front of cameras that it’s immoral for banks to do the same exact thing? why is it ok when she does it? why is she entitled to enrich herself in ways she’d deny to others?

Looking forward to your answer.
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she’s got as much indian blood as many, many people who don’t claim to be native american. she made that claim, in an application for a job at harvard paying $400,000 a year.

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She has Indian blood and it is HER choice to state if she recognizes as Indian or not. If others don't want to, it is up to them.

So Harvard hired her bc she said she was an Indian and not bc she had a law degree and had taught at other schools? Can you pls. show me doc. where Harvard said that?

How did she make "tons of money off college students"? Was she selling them things?

She has Indian blood and it is HER choice to state if she recognizes as Indian or not. If others don't want to, it is up to them.

So Harvard hired her bc she said she was an Indian and not bc she had a law degree and had taught at other schools? Can you pls. show me doc. where Harvard said that?

How did she make "tons of money off college students"? Was she selling them things?

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school faculty. they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

you always require written proof of things before you’ll believe it? always? or only when someone is questioning the ethics of a democrat?

i see you completely ignored my question about her hypocrisy on profiting from college students and foreclosed homes. How come?
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i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school faculty. they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.
Actually she was recruited for the position because of her stellar resume. The checked the Native American box for the directory after she was hired. The two main people who recommended Harvard hire her were interview and said that no idea of any claimed native heritage.

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school facultybut you are claiming something else - that she was hired BECAUSE she claimed she was Indian. . they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

you always require written proof of things before you’ll believe it? always? or only when someone is questioning the ethics of a democrat? Well, you're making the accusation but don't seem to have any (zero) proof of the claim.

i see you completely ignored my question about her hypocrisy on profiting from college students and foreclosed homes. How come?
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Well first of all I really don't like responding to you bc of the way you post. I don't think you and I would ever be friends.

So bc she was paid 400k she was "making tons of money off college students". So can we assume you made tons of money off grammer/high school students when you were a teacher?

i can show you a document where harvard bragged about having a native american on the law school faculty. they get a ton of applicants for a $400,000 a year gig at harvard. an immoral paleface might look for reasons to stick out among the applicant pool.

you always require written proof of things before you’ll believe it? always? or only when someone is questioning the ethics of a democrat?

i see you completely ignored my question about her hypocrisy on profiting from college students and foreclosed homes. How come?
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Ah, Stable Genius II
She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family.
Now tell us how as a purportedly rational person you decried that behavior and then support Mnuchin, or is he another guy you don’t really like
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Ah, Stable Genius II
She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family.
Now tell us how as a purportedly rational person you decried that behavior and then support Mnuchin, or is he another guy you don’t really like
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"She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family."

Which is fine.

The problem is, she attached banks for doing the same thing she did. She also got very rich off the backs of students who took out loans to pay her massive salary, but again, she says it's immoral for anyone else to profit off student loans.

No hypocrisy there? None?

"then support Mnuchin"

I generally have no use for Manchin (is that you you mean?), he talks like a Republican at home to get votes, then goes to DC and votes like Chuck Schumer. I don't like him, but I'm glad he torpedoed this bill. Though I'd bet he's holding out for more pork for WV, I don't believe he actually voted on principle. He has positioned himself as the most powerful person in the country right now. Even the president has to kiss his ring.

But I doubt you were critical of McCain when he killed Republican attempts to revise Obamacare. If that's heroic, so is what Manchin did. What's good for the goose...

"She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family."

Which is fine.
Actually she was buying them for family to renovate and resell because they apparently couldn't get the loans on their own. I'm not sure she even really made much money doing it.

The problem is, she attached banks for doing the same thing she did.
SHE DID NOT

Please Jim, if you're so objective as you say do a little homework.

Actually she was buying them for family to renovate and resell because they apparently couldn't get the loans on their own. I'm not sure she even really made much money doing it.


SHE DID NOT

Please Jim, if you're so objective as you say do a little homework.

Christ you are laughably wrong on this one...

"Actually she was buying them for family to renovate and resell because they apparently couldn't get the loans on their own. I'm not sure she even really made much money doing it."

From the article below...

One such property she bought for $30,000, then sold for $145,000 five months later, a 383 per cent mark-up.

Sooo, either you are ignorant, or lying, or you don't consider a 383% return in 5 months to be "much".

That's one of many properties.

"SHE DID NOT"

Well, you have it in CAPS, and that bestows instant credibility on any falsehood, right?

She called the mortgage industry a "deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153832/Elizabeth-Warren-accused-making-fortune-flipping-foreclosed-homes.html

Here, poor Warren claims that the foreclosures "threaten our economy".

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101611260

So those "dangerous mortgages" were swell when they benefitted her.

SHE DID DO. NYAH, NYAH, NYAH.

Well first of all I really don't like responding to you bc of the way you post. I don't think you and I would ever be friends.

So bc she was paid 400k she was "making tons of money off college students". So can we assume you made tons of money off grammer/high school students when you were a teacher?

"Well first of all I really don't like responding to you bc of the way you post."

You responded to part of it, and ignored my question. Was my question offensive? I'm very sorry.

"So can we assume you made tons of money off grammer/high school students when you were a teacher?"

I didn't make $400,000 a year for working part time, teaching one class I believe. I made good money with ridiculous benefits, but I don't know that anyone would say I was making what she was making..

You dodged my question for a second time, which means you know you can't respond, but you can't bring yourself to admit what we all know, that she will demonize people for doing exactly what she herself has done.

Maybe a different question is more palatable to you?...would you call Elon Musk ( who helped create 71,000 jobs in this country, and who will pay more than $10 billion in income taxes for 2021, a "freeloader"?

What has Warren done, which can compare to that?

Sooo, either you are ignorant, or lying, or you don't consider a 383% return in 5 months to be "much".
I'm astounded you're trusted with numbers at work. It's not a 383% return. Take out the lending feeds, materials, labor and insurance to do the work and the net return is a fraction of this. As most of these houses were bought to family to renovate it's worth assuming they enjoyed most if not all of the profit.


She called the mortgage industry a "deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages"
Which they were.

Here, poor Warren claims that the foreclosures "threaten our economy".

So those "dangerous mortgages" were swell when they benefitted
My last post on this, the banks were making predatory loans then aggressively foreclosing on people who couldn't afford it. This is nothing like what Warren was doing.

If you can't grasp this I'm astounded, again.

I'm astounded you're trusted with numbers at work. It's not a 383% return. Take out the lending feeds, materials, labor and insurance to do the work and the net return is a fraction of this. As most of these houses were bought to family to renovate it's worth assuming they enjoyed most if not all of the profit.


Which they were.


My last post on this, the banks were making predatory loans then aggressively foreclosing on people who couldn't afford it. This is nothing like what Warren was doing.

If you can't grasp this I'm astounded, again.

i totally understand why you announced you’re not posting here again.

when banks profit from foreclosures, they also have expenses, legal fees, real estate broker fees, etc.

as always with liberals, it’s ok when she does it, heartless when anyone else does it.
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I didn't make $400,000 a year for working part time, teaching one class I believe. I made good money with ridiculous benefits, but I don't know that anyone would say I was making what she was making..
No, but you yourself admit you made good compensation - teaching 1 (?) class at the grammer school level w/o a law degree and prior experience at other schools (and not at the elite college level). Would it be appropriate for a person making min. wage to claim you were "making tons of money off grammer school kids" as they could consider your pay outrageous? Sounds like you and Warren were paid the standard rate for their position based on the need and your experience. Plus if the position was endowed the students tuition didn't go towards her salary.
You dodged my question for a second time, which means you know you can't respond, but you can't bring yourself to admit what we all know, that she will demonize people for doing exactly what she herself has done.

Maybe a different question is more palatable to you?...would you call Elon Musk ( who helped create 71,000 jobs in this country, and who will pay more than $10 billion in income taxes for 2021, a "freeloader"?

What has Warren done, which can compare to that?
Well what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?

I agree w/her that the rich don't pay their fair share by how many accumulate their wealth (stock), borrow against it and never pay their fair share in taxes. I don't agree with the proposal to tax wealth but something has to be be done. What did he pay in taxes in 2020 prior to selling billions of stock?

Well what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?

I agree w/her that the rich don't pay their fair share by how many accumulate their wealth (stock), borrow against it and never pay their fair share in taxes. I don't agree with the proposal to tax wealth but something has to be be done. What did he pay in taxes in 2020 prior to selling billions of stock?

"you yourself admit you made good compensation"

I htink I made about $40k a year when I stopped. One tenth of Warren.

"teaching 1 (?) class at the grammer school level "

No, sorry, SHE taught one class (I believe) at Harvard when she was making 400k.

Paul, here's the difference.. I wasn't telling others doing what I did, that they were evil. Warren did that. She said it was immoral to profit from students taking out loans. Yes she did exactly that, she profited quite nicely.

"if the position was endowed the students tuition didn't go towards here salary."

Cash is fungible, come on. You can't say any one kids tuition goes to any one expense.


"what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?"


"Everyone else" isn't calling him a freeloader.

I tried a few times, you keep dodging. You don't usually do that like this.

Have a great holiday, hope you are all happy and safe.

What did he pay in taxes in 2020 prior to selling billions of stock?

he paid what he owed. $0.


there’s no taxable income until you liquidate an asset.

We’re getting $11 billion from one guy. That’s not enough?

if you have a house, it’s worth a lot right now. you should have to pay taxes on that, before you sell it?
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"you yourself admit you made good compensation"

I htink I made about $40k a year when I stopped. One tenth of Warren.

"teaching 1 (?) class at the grammer school level "

No, sorry, SHE taught one class (I believe) at Harvard when she was making 400k.

Paul, here's the difference.. I wasn't telling others doing what I did, that they were evil. Warren did that. She said it was immoral to profit from students taking out loans. Yes she did exactly that, she profited quite nicely.

"if the position was endowed the students tuition didn't go towards here salary."

Cash is fungible, come on. You can't say any one kids tuition goes to any one expense.


"what has anyone else done that can compare to Musk?"


"Everyone else" isn't calling him a freeloader.

I tried a few times, you keep dodging. You don't usually do that like this.

Have a great holiday, hope you are all happy and safe.

Sorry I thought you had said you taught one class. It doesn't change the fact that both you and Warren were paid appropriately for your positions. That apparently is the going rate for college professors. And also the going rate for teachers. So unless other teachers teaching one class at Harvard with that experience were making less money it should be a non-issue. Plus there does not appear to be any proof at all that she got her position due to the fact that she was Native American. Thank you, you too have a Merry Christmas
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Sorry I thought you had said you taught one class. It doesn't change the fact that both you and Warren were paid appropriately for your positions. That apparently is the going rate for college professors. And also the going rate for teachers. So unless other teachers teaching one class at Harvard with that experience were making less money it should be a non-issue. Plus there does not appear to be any proof at all that she got her position due to the fact that she was Native American. Thank you, you too have a Merry Christmas
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my bad, the way I wrote that, anyone would think i meant i taught only one class. Some days i wish i only had one class!
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Sorry I thought you had said you taught one class. It doesn't change the fact that both you and Warren were paid appropriately for your positions. That apparently is the going rate for college professors. And also the going rate for teachers. So unless other teachers teaching one class at Harvard with that experience were making less money it should be a non-issue. Plus there does not appear to be any proof at all that she got her position due to the fact that she was Native American. Thank you, you too have a Merry Christmas
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One last time.

Warren profited from a system
that gets a ton of revenue from students taking out loans.

Warren also said it was evil
for others ( banks) to do the same thing.

it has nothing to do with me or with other teachers or with the price of tea in China. Just her.

Why is it unethical for banks to profit from student loans, but no big deal when she does it?

Same thing with foreclosed homes. It was ok for her to profit from other people’s misfortune, but she says it’s bad when banks do the same
exact thing?

All that matters, is Warren saying that those two things are immoral, when she herself was doing them.

others were teaching at harvard, others made money flipping foreclosures. she’s not the only one. but she was a us senator saying on national tv that making money that way is evil.
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and if the democrats want a wealth tax, what’s stopping them
from implementing one? Do we need to remind Warren that she’s a US Senator from the party that controls the entire federal government? I love it when they act like they’re helpless to do anything. Tell her to write to her congressman i guess, like the rest of us.
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"She was sitting in an endowed chair and bought several homes that people unfortunately lost and sold them to her family."

Which is fine.

The problem is, she attached banks for doing the same thing she did. She also got very rich off the backs of students who took out loans to pay her massive salary, but again, she says it's immoral for anyone else to profit off student loans.

No hypocrisy there? None?

"then support Mnuchin"

I generally have no use for Manchin (is that you you mean?), he talks like a Republican at home to get votes, then goes to DC and votes like Chuck Schumer. I don't like him, but I'm glad he torpedoed this bill. Though I'd bet he's holding out for more pork for WV, I don't believe he actually voted on principle. He has positioned himself as the most powerful person in the country right now. Even the president has to kiss his ring.

But I doubt you were critical of McCain when he killed Republican attempts to revise Obamacare. If that's heroic, so is what Manchin did. What's good for the goose...
First of all she didn’t make her money thru flipping foreclosures.
And an endowed chair is funded thru an endowment, not tuition and the person is chosen because of their status in their field.

Mnuchin was the guy who was called the foreclosure king.
During Mnuchin’s reign, IndyMac carried out more than 36,000 foreclosures, tossing former homeowners (including active duty military servicemen and women) onto the street without hesitation or pity by any means necessary. According to a memo obtained by investigative reporter David Dayen, OneWest, the new name that Mnuchin and his billionaire posse coined for Indybank, of which Mnuchin was now CEO and chairman, “rushed delinquent homeowners out of their homes by violating notice and waiting period statutes, illegally backdated key documents, and effectively gamed foreclosure auctions.”

The Koch brothers still own a lot of real estate, but their best investment may be the Manchin they bought in West Virginia.
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First of all she didn’t make her money thru flipping foreclosures.
And an endowed chair is funded thru an endowment, not tuition and the person is chosen because of their status in their field.

Mnuchin was the guy who was called the foreclosure king.
During Mnuchin’s reign, IndyMac carried out more than 36,000 foreclosures, tossing former homeowners (including active duty military servicemen and women) onto the street without hesitation or pity by any means necessary. According to a memo obtained by investigative reporter David Dayen, OneWest, the new name that Mnuchin and his billionaire posse coined for Indybank, of which Mnuchin was now CEO and chairman, “rushed delinquent homeowners out of their homes by violating notice and waiting period statutes, illegally backdated key documents, and effectively gamed foreclosure auctions.”

The Koch brothers still own a lot of real estate, but their best investment may be the Manchin they bought in West Virginia.
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Pete, if someone follows the law, i don’t have a huge problem
with them flipping foreclosures. I have no problem
with Warren making money by flipping foreclosures. What i have a problem with, is when she says it’s evil when others do it.

if she can do it, so can everyone else.

And i have a huge problem with her calling someone a free loader who helped create 71,000 jobs in the US and who is going to pay $11 billion in federal income come tax in a year. He’s the exact opposite of a free loader, he’s contributing tons to the public good and taking little public money for himself. His money comes from smashing success in the free market.

Very few people who have ever lived, have been a better “deal” to the public, than he has.

Healthy people
who choose welfare over work are free loaders. Not Elan Musk. He’s a huge, huge, huge net positive for the public.
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Elon Musk has with the aid of his corporate structure and paid lobbyists decimated middle America
All the corporatists are killing the America that was great.
The middle class is consistently shrinking

Since 1995, the top 1% took 38% of all additional wealth. The bottom half took 2%.

The last time things were this imbalanced was the period right before the Great Depression. Hard for people to survive when all the money goes to those who don't need it
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8pBPZMUcsh0

Buy borrow die.

How the ultra rich avoid taxes
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Since 1995, the top 1% took 38% of all additional wealth. The bottom half took 2%.


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took or created?...whose wealth did Elon Musk take?

took or created?...whose wealth did Elon Musk take?

exactly, exactly, exactly.

Liberals can’t concede the notion of creating wealth. to them, it can only be stolen. To Pete, wealth is finite, it’s like a pizza. If Musk takes. ire for himself, that means there’s less for the rest of us. It’s laughably stupid. they act as if GDP is a fixed number, it never changes.

I’d love to see him respond to this.

Musk has created 71,000 jobs in the US and is about to pay $11B in taxes. And he’s a net negative to America, because he’s not an uber liberal. Notice they aren’t attacking warren buffet or jeff bezos.
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Since 1995, the top 1% took 38% of all additional wealth. The bottom half took 2%.


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In 2018, the top 1% paid 40% of total federal income tax. Thats pretty in line with their percentage of wealth.

Pete in another post, you bragged about how the uber wealthy are now democrats. Yet here you are demonizing them. Which is it?

Also, if our tax system is way too friendly to the wealthy, why aren’t democrats ( who run everything) doing anything to fix it?

It was always be imbalanced, and in a healthy economy that imbalance will grow, because they have more money to invest. if the s&p500 grows by 20% next year, and i have $100,000 in the stock market but warren buffer has $20 billion in the stock market, he profits more than i do.

Who cares? He will pay taxes on it, spend some, put some in the bank, invest some, give some
to charity, all of which helps the country.

How would you change that? would you pass a law that says after your net worth exceeds some amount, you have to keep all your money in your mattress?

They aren’t stealing from you, not much anyway. They get some subsidies for sure that they don’t need.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wealthiest-americans-share-us-taxes.amp

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8pBPZMUcsh0

Buy borrow die.

How the ultra rich avoid taxes
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in 2018, the top 1% of earners paid 40% of all federal income tax. how much more of other people’s money are you entitled to? is there any limit?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wealthiest-americans-share-us-taxes.amp
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If you work full-time at the federal minimum wage you qualify for food stamps and Medicaid (which we all pay for).

Stop asking if businesses can afford higher wages and start asking why we're all paying to subsidize their low wages.

Remember when you’re claiming that the wealthy are to be worshipped that if companies were really "forced to raise prices" because of inflation they would have been "forced to lower prices" after they got $1.9 trillion in tax cuts. But they didn't - they raised prices then, too.
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In 2018, the top 1% paid 40% of total federal income tax. Thats pretty in line with their percentage of wealth.

Pete in another post, you bragged about how the uber wealthy are now democrats. Yet here you are demonizing them. Which is it?

Also, if our tax system is way too friendly to the wealthy, why aren’t democrats ( who run everything) doing anything to fix it?

It was always be imbalanced, and in a healthy economy that imbalance will grow, because they have more money to invest. if the s&p500 grows by 20% next year, and i have $100,000 in the stock market but warren buffer has $20 billion in the stock market, he profits more than i do.

Who cares? He will pay taxes on it, spend some, put some in the bank, invest some, give some
to charity, all of which helps the country.

How would you change that? would you pass a law that says after your net worth exceeds some amount, you have to keep all your money in your mattress?

They aren’t stealing from you, not much anyway. They get some subsidies for sure that they don’t need.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wealthiest-americans-share-us-taxes.amp

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Total thefts per year: $13 billion
Wage theft by companies per year: $15 billion

News stories this year on shoplifting: 11,600
News stories this year on wage theft: 2,000

Total police officers: 700,000
Investigators focused on wage theft: 765
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If you work full-time at the federal minimum wage you qualify for food stamps and Medicaid (which we all pay for).

Stop asking if businesses can afford higher wages and start asking why we're all paying to subsidize their low wages.

Remember when you’re claiming that the wealthy are to be worshipped that if companies were really "forced to raise prices" because of inflation they would have been "forced to lower prices" after they got $1.9 trillion in tax cuts. But they didn't - they raised prices then, too.
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some businesses can afford higher wages, some absolutely cannot.

not every job in our economy was designed for an adult to support a family on. Go to your local mom and pop pizzeria, tell them they have a moral obligation to pay bus boys and cashiers $40,000 a year. when they stop laughing, tell me what they said.

people won’t eat out if a large pie costs $50.

I never said i worship the wealthy, i’m sure plenty of them are jerks. But i don’t irrationally demonize them either. No one would be better off if they all burned their money and became poor. They do a ton to relieve the financial burden on the rest of us.

one day you’re bragging that the wealthy are now democrats, now you’re demonizing them.

Make up your mind, are you proud the wealthy vote democrat, or not? Which is it?
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Billionaires can write-off private jets on their taxes, but teachers can only write-off up to $250 for school supplies on theirs.

This is what happens when we allow billionaires to buy our politicians.

Get dark and corporate money out of politics and elect an unbought Congress.
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Billionaires can write-off private jets on their taxes, but teachers can only write-off up to $250 for school supplies on theirs.

This is what happens when we allow billionaires to buy our politicians.

Get dark and corporate money out of politics and elect an unbought Congress.
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you dodged my question.

i taught public school, teachers have absolutely nothing to complain about. nothing. their benefits absolutely dwarf anything available to normal people in the private sector.
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teachers have absolutely nothing to complain about.

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nobody complains more...

Billionaires can write-off private jets on their taxes

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and fly them to Davos to complain about climate change....I bet you get carbon tax credits for the amount of complaining you do about climate change at those conferences...probably hand them out like free drink coupons

Jim seems to thinks you’re better off to be a teacher than a poor mistreated billionaire, hmm
And Scott thinks he’s the only one allowed to complain, seemingly about not getting free drinks though it looks like he may have had too many
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Jim seems to thinks you’re better off to be a teacher than a poor mistreated billionaire, hmm
And Scott thinks he’s the only one allowed to complain, seemingly about not getting free drinks though it looks like he may have had too many
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you hear an awful lot of things, which no one has ever said. have you noticed that?

i said teachers are treated well, and that’s true. i’ve taught, and i’ve worked in the private sector. i’m in a decent position to say that. teachers, especially in Ct where your salary can easily be 100k and you can start collecting a 75k a year pension before age 60, are treated well. they’re not super wealthy, but certainly a married couple who both teach, are upper middle class. pretty good deal for a public servant. and once you get tenure, you basically can’t get fired except for egregious offenses.

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Billionaires can write-off private jets on their taxes, but teachers can only write-off up to $250 for school supplies on theirs.


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i taught public school, teachers have absolutely nothing to complain about. nothing. their benefits absolutely dwarf anything available to normal people in the private sector.
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Jim seems to thinks you’re better off to be a teacher than a poor mistreated billionaire, hmm

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you hear an awful lot of things, which no one has ever said. have you noticed that?

i said teachers are treated well, and that’s true. i’ve taught, and i’ve worked in the private sector. i’m in a decent position to say that. teachers, especially in Ct where your salary can easily be 100k and you can start collecting a 75k a year pension before age 60, are treated well. they’re not super wealthy, but certainly a married couple who both teach, are upper middle class. pretty good deal for a public servant. and once you get tenure, you basically can’t get fired except for egregious offenses.

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It was pretty clear what you said, do you buy your own supplies for you and your cubical mates at the insurance company?

It was pretty clear what you said, do you buy your own supplies for you and your cubical mates at the insurance company?

no you heard things i never came close to saying. i said teachers have no right to complain, and i said the wealthy as a group, contribute a lot to society.

why you heard, is that i feel
teachers have it better than billionaires. never came close to saying that.

you constantly hear things that have never been said.

i rarely buy my own supplies. and rarely did it when i taught. it’s not necessary despite what you hear. if teachers want more money for supplies, they can agree to have the same benefits that everyone else in the private sector has, then you’d have enough to buy all the supplies anyone could want .

i told you why i’m in a cubicle. once i reached my financial goals ( i can probably retire on the interest my nest egg generates and leave the entire principal to my kids), i took a demotion and i work a little less than full time. why work harder than i have to, if i don’t need the money?

if you see that as a character flaw, you are entitled to think that. i don’t need more money, i certainly don’t need more stress. i need more time
to fish with my kids. I’m at a point where i can give up some salary in exchange for more time, and i have a job i can do in my sleep, which gives me enough.
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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
Billionaires can write-off private jets on their taxes, but teachers can only write-off up to $250 for school supplies on theirs.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post
i taught public school, teachers have absolutely nothing to complain about. nothing.

Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
Jim seems to thinks you’re better off to be a teacher than a poor mistreated billionaire, hmm


OK

Here's what Warren is talking about:

This is the story of the incredible cloning tax break.

In 2004, David Baszucki, fresh off a stint as a radio host in Santa Cruz, Calif., started a tiny video-game company. It was eligible for a tax break that lets investors in small businesses avoid millions of dollars in capital gains taxes if the start-ups hit it big.

Today Mr. Baszucki’s company, Roblox, the maker of one of the world’s most popular video-gaming platforms, is valued at about $60 billion. Mr. Baszucki is worth an estimated $7 billion.

Yet he and his extended family are reaping big benefits from a tax break aimed at small businesses.

Mr. Baszucki and his relatives have been able to multiply the tax break at least 12 times. Among those poised to avoid millions of dollars in capital gains taxes are Mr. Baszucki’s wife, his four children, his mother-in-law and even his first cousin-in-law, according to securities filings and people with knowledge of the matter.

The tax break is known as the Qualified Small Business Stock, or Q.S.B.S., exemption. It allows early investors in companies in many industries to avoid taxes on at least $10 million in profits.

The goal, when it was established in the early 1990s, was to coax people to put money into small companies. But over the next three decades, it would be contorted into the latest tax dodge in Silicon Valley, where new billionaires seem to sprout each week.

Thanks to the ingenuity of the tax-avoidance industry, investors in hot tech companies are exponentially enlarging the tax break. The trick is to give shares in those companies to friends or relatives. Even though these recipients didn’t put their money into the companies, they nonetheless inherit the tax break, and a further $10 million or more in profits becomes tax-free.

The savings for the richest American families — who would otherwise face a 23.8 percent capital gains tax — can quickly swell into the tens of millions.

The maneuver, which is legal, is known as “stacking,” because the tax breaks are piled on top of one another.

“If you walk down University Avenue in Palo Alto, every person involved in tech stacks,” said Christopher Karachale, a tax lawyer at the law firm Hanson Bridgett in San Francisco. He said he had helped dozens of families multiply the Q.S.B.S. tax benefit.

Early investors in some of Silicon Valley’s marquee start-ups — including Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Zoom, Pinterest and DoorDash — have all replicated this tax exemption by giving shares to friends and family, according to people who worked or were briefed on the tax strategies.

So have partners at top venture capital firms like Andreessen Horowitz, who have figured out ways to claim tens of millions of dollars in tax exemptions for themselves and relatives year after year, according to industry officials and lawyers.

Representatives of those companies declined to comment or didn’t respond to requests for comment. A Lyft spokesman said the company’s two co-founders didn’t take the tax benefit. A Roblox spokeswoman declined to comment.

The story of the tax break is in many ways the story of U.S. tax policy writ large. Congress enacts a loophole-laden law whose benefits skew toward the ultrarich. Lobbyists defeat efforts to rein it in. Then creative tax specialists at law, accounting and Wall Street firms transform it into something far more generous than what lawmakers had contemplated.
“Q.S.B.S. is an example of a provision that is on its face already outrageous,” said Daniel Hemel, a tax law professor at the University of Chicago. “But when you get smart tax lawyers in the room, the provision becomes, in practice, preposterous.”

Manoj Viswanathan, who is a director of the Center on Tax Law at the University of California, Hastings, estimates the tax break will cost the government at least $60 billion over the coming decade. But that doesn’t include taxes avoided by stacking, and so the true cost of the tax break is probably many times higher.

The Biden administration has proposed shrinking the Q.S.B.S. benefit by more than half. But the plan wouldn’t restrict wealthy investors from multiplying the tax break.

The likely result, said Paul Lee, the chief tax strategist at Northern Trust Wealth Management, would be even more tax avoidance. “You’ll end up having more people doing more planning to multiply the exclusion,” he said.

Disqualifying the Ducks

The idea for this tax break came from the venture capital and biotech industries in the early 1990s. Venture capital firms were raking in huge profits from early investments in high-flying start-ups like Gilead Sciences and MedImmune.

That stuck them with hefty capital-gains tax bills. The Q.S.B.S. exemption would shield at least a chunk of their future profits from taxation.

With the economy in a recession, Democrats branded the tax break as a boon to small businesses and an engine of job creation. In Congress, an original backer was Senator Dale Bumpers, and he had the support of the National Venture Capital Association. “This is a modest tax incentive that holds great promise for hundreds of thousands of small firms with good ideas but not enough capital,” he said in early 1993.

Mr. Bumpers was friends with his fellow Arkansas Democrat, President Bill Clinton, whose new administration embraced the cause within weeks of taking power.

The exemption became law in August 1993. It allowed investors in eligible companies to avoid half the taxes on up to $10 million in capital gains (it would later be changed to eliminate all taxes on the $10 million) or 10 times what the investors paid for their shares.

There were a few restrictions. To be eligible for the tax break, investors had to hold the shares for at least five years. Industries like architecture and accounting were excluded. And, at least in theory, the companies couldn’t be big: They had to have “gross assets” of $50 million or less at the time of the investments.

That number wasn’t picked at random. At the time, a new professional hockey team, the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, had just been created with a price tag of $50 million. The team was owned by the Walt Disney Company. Lawmakers feared that if Disney stood to benefit from the tax break, it risked a public backlash, according to a congressional aide who worked on the legislation.

The Internal Revenue Service doesn’t publicly disclose data on how frequently the Q.S.B.S. tax break is used. But tax lawyers said it was slow to gain popularity. It would be decades before Silicon Valley figured out how to fully exploit it.

A Flurry of Gifts

A few years after graduating from Stanford University in 1985, Mr. Baszucki started a software company, Knowledge Revolution. He sold it in 1998 for $20 million.

Around 2004, after a brief detour into radio, Mr. Baszucki teamed up with a former colleague, Erik Cassel, on a new venture. Mostly using Mr. Baszucki’s money, they spent two years writing the computer code that would become an early version of Roblox, which they publicly introduced in 2007.

Roblox was a hub for players to find and play video games featuring virtual pets and murder mysteries and much more. The platform allowed users to create games and receive a portion of whatever revenue the games generated.

About a decade ago, after outside investors had begun kicking in millions of dollars, Mr. Baszucki and his wife, Jan Ellison, gave Roblox shares to their four children and other family members, according to people familiar with the matter.

The gifts appeared to be the product of estate planning. If Roblox ever became a Silicon Valley powerhouse, the Baszuckis could avoid hundreds of millions of dollars in future gift and estate taxes because they gave away shares when the company wasn’t worth much.

And because Roblox met the criteria for the small-business tax break, the gift recipients could also become eligible for millions of dollars in profits free of capital gains taxes.

Children for Tax Avoidance

In the past few years, a procession of blockbuster tech I.P.O.s has showered Silicon Valley in well over $1 trillion of new wealth, according to Jay R. Ritter, a finance professor at the University of Florida. The unprecedented explosion — and the corresponding tax bills — has made the Q.S.B.S. tax break more enticing.

Tax experts had discovered a big loophole. While the law said that the benefit was off-limits to people who bought shares from other investors, there was no similar restriction on people who received the shares as gifts.

If investors gave shares to family or friends, they, too, could be eligible for the tax break. And there were no limits on the number of gifts they could make.

Stacking was born — and it became a rite of passage for a select slice of Silicon Valley multimillionaires, according to lawyers, accountants and investors.

One tax adviser said he was helping a family, whose patriarch founded a publicly traded tech company, avoid any taxes on more than $150 million in profits by giving shares to more than seven of his children, among other maneuvers.

Mr. Karachale, the San Francisco tax lawyer, said he jokes to clients that they should have more children so they can avoid more taxes. “It’s so expensive to raise kids in the Bay Area, the only good justification to have another kid is to get another” Q.S.B.S. exemption, he said.

Investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and law firms like McDermott Will & Emery have advised wealthy founders and their families on the strategy, according to bankers, lawyers and others.

Stacking has become so common that it has spawned other nicknames. One is “peanut buttering” — a reference to the ease with which the tax benefit can be spread among the original investor’s relatives.

‘An Act of Patriotism’

In 2015, Rachel Romer Carlson helped found an online education company, Guild Education, that was eligible for the Q.S.B.S. tax break.

Guild was recently valued at nearly $4 billion, and Ms. Carlson owns about 15 percent of the company. She will face an enormous capital-gains tax bill if and when she sells her stake. To mitigate that, she said, a tax adviser urged her to distribute her shares into trusts to multiply the exemptions.

“You can then take this an infinite number of times,” she recalled the lawyer saying. The adviser, whom she wouldn’t identify, told her that some lawyers will recommend creating 10 or more trusts but that his more-conservative advice was to limit the number to five.

Ms. Carlson said she rejected the advice because she thought the strategy, while perfectly legal, sounded shady. “I believe paying taxes is an act of patriotism,” she said. (When she sold about $1 million worth of Guild shares last year, the Q.S.B.S. exemption saved her roughly $200,000 in taxes.)

Venture capitalists that invest in start-ups — the same group that pushed for this tax break in the first place — potentially have the most to gain.

The founder of a successful start-up might get this tax-free opportunity once in a lifetime. At large venture capital firms, the opportunity can present itself several times a year.

Partners at venture capital firms often acquire shares in the companies in which their firms invest. For each Q.S.B.S.-eligible company that a partner has invested in, he can avoid capital gains taxes on at least $10 million of profits. If he gives shares to family members, those relatives get the tax break, too.

In a good year, partners at a large firm can collectively rack up more than $1 billion in tax-free profits, according to former partners at two major venture capital firms.

‘A Welcome Relief’

As the tax break’s popularity has grown, the strategies for exploiting it have grown more aggressive.

The Q.S.B.S. tax break is limited to either $10 million in tax-free capital gains or 10 times the “basis” of the original investment. The tax basis is the cost of an investment — the money you spent or the assets you contributed in exchange for shares. One way to expand the value of the tax break is to find ways to inflate the basis.

The strategy is called “packing.”

Say you invested $1 million in a Q.S.B.S.-eligible business called Little Company. Your basis would be $1 million, which means you’d be eligible to avoid taxes on $10 million of future profits.

But let’s say you want to save more. Here’s how you can pump up the basis. Little Company developed software patents, and you put those patents into a new company that you also own. The patents grow to be worth $5 million. Then you merge the two companies. The basis for your investment in the original Little Company has now soared to $6 million. That means you are eligible to avoid taxes on 10 times that — $60 million — even though your out-of-pocket investment remains $1 million.

One tax lawyer said he recently used such a strategy to help a pair of clients completely avoid taxes on more than $100 million in capital gains.

Another increasingly common strategy has been to put shares into multiple trusts that benefit the same children.

In August 2018, the Trump administration’s Treasury Department proposed regulations to curb such tax avoidance. The rules included hypothetical examples of abusive transactions in which children were given multiple trusts.

But opposition mounted quickly. The next month, the American College of Trust and Estate Counsel, a trade group of tax lawyers who advise the wealthy, wrote to the I.R.S. that the proposal was “overbroad” and “an impermissible interpretation of the statute.”

By the time the Treasury’s rules were completed in early 2019, the proposed crackdown on trusts had been watered down.

It was, the accounting giant EY declared in an online alert, a “welcome relief.”

A Gift From Grandma

Roblox says that more than 47 million people use its platform each day. It has branched out beyond gaming, becoming a venue for virtual concerts by the likes of Lil Nas X.

In early 2020, Andreessen Horowitz and others invested $150 million in the company, valuing it at about $4 billion. Shares of tech companies were racing higher, and Roblox planned to go public in late 2020 or early 2021.

The Baszuckis were about to become billionaires.

The family took steps to help insulate their fortune from future federal taxes.

Giving away the shares before the I.P.O. — which was likely to drive the stock’s value higher — would make it easier to avoid federal gift and estate taxes.

Mr. Baszucki and Ms. Ellison had already given away so many shares that future large gifts would be subject to the 40 percent gift tax. (A married couple can give about $23 million over their lifetime without incurring the tax.)

But Mr. Baszucki’s mother-in-law, Susan Elmore, had not. In the fall of 2020, she began giving away Roblox shares to about a dozen relatives, including Mr. Baszucki’s four children, according to people familiar with the matter.

Ms. Elmore’s nephew, Nolan Griswold, said he was among those to receive shares last fall.

Ms. Elmore’s shares were eligible for the Q.S.B.S. exemption; now that exemption was replicated for the recipients of her gifts.

In March 2021, Roblox went public. Its market value hit $45 billion.

That day, Mr. Baszucki’s brother Gregory, whose large Roblox stake made him a billionaire, began selling shares. The resulting capital gains taxes could be defrayed in part by the Q.S.B.S. exemption.

you couldn’t post a longer thread?

Musk paid $11,000,000,000 in federal income taxes.
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you couldn’t post a longer thread?

Musk paid $11,000,000,000 in federal income taxes.
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If you don't want to read - ignore it.

You're not a moderator who has to read and comment on every post in this forum.

If you don't want to read - ignore it.

You're not a moderator who has to read and comment on every post in this forum.

true.

he paid $11b and created 71,000 jobs. that’s a deadbeat? or is he a deadbeat because he’s not liberal?
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true.

he paid $11b and created 71,000 jobs. that’s a deadbeat? or is he a deadbeat because he’s not liberal?
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And if he decided not to sell stock how much would his tax bill had been? Actually it's my understanding that's his 2021 tax bill, so how much in taxes did he pay the year before when he was so rich that when he finally decided to sell his stock and pay capital gains he incurred an 11 billion dollar tax?
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And if he decided not to sell stock how much would his tax bill had been? Actually it's my understanding that's his 2021 tax bill, so how much in taxes did he pay the year before when he was so rich that when he finally decided to sell his stock and pay capital gains he incurred an 11 billion dollar tax?
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if he didn’t sell the stock, he’d have no taxable income come. therefore he’d pay nothing. which his what the law says.

Paul, Warrens party controls the federal government. if the current system is bad, what’s stopping them
from fixing it?

you voluntarily paying federal income tax on your unrealized gain from your house and car being worth more today?
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And if he decided not to sell stock how much would his tax bill had been? Actually it's my understanding that's his 2021 tax bill, so how much in taxes did he pay the year before when he was so rich that when he finally decided to sell his stock and pay capital gains he incurred an 11 billion dollar tax?
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and you dodged my question? is Mysh contributing more to the public coiffers more the. anyone, or is he a deadbeat?
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if he didn’t sell the stock, he’d have no taxable income come. therefore he’d pay nothing. which his what the law says.

Paul, Warrens party controls the federal government. if the current system is bad, what’s stopping them
from fixing it?

you voluntarily paying federal income tax on your unrealized gain from your house and car being worth more today?
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I paid income tax on my income which I have no way to decide how much income I will recognize. Elon Musk chooses how and when he will recognize that income. In the past he has paid little to no taxes in many years yet he can lead a lavish lifestyle if he chooses based the tax code that is what she is talking about.
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and you dodged my question? is Mysh contributing more to the public coiffers more the. anyone, or is he a deadbeat?
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You're not a moderator here so get over yourself and don't expect people to answer every question you want. I have no interest in spending all my time on this site like you do.
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If you don't want to read - ignore it.

You're not a moderator who has to read and comment on every post in this forum.

it's just obnoxious to have to scroll through and maybe Jim has aspirations....

You're not a moderator here so get over yourself and don't expect people to answer every question you want. I have no interest in spending all my time on this site like you do.
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i don’t demand anything. just pointed out that i asked a simple yes or no question, and you are going to great lengths to avoid answering. but the character flaws are all mine.
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You're not a moderator here so get over yourself and don't expect people to answer every question you want.

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who made you moderator?:doh:

i don’t demand anything. just pointed out that i asked a simple yes or no question,

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so very pushy and cranky....musta got coal

so very pushy and cranky....musta got coal

happy holidays scott!
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happy holidays scott!
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You too🙂. And let’s send Paul some holiday cheer…..he flew right in in full attack mode
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true.

he paid $11b and created 71,000 jobs. that’s a deadbeat? or is he a deadbeat because he’s not liberal?
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If I had that much money I would buy the US govt to pass laws in my favor. I would also own the media to make others believe these laws are in their best interest.
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