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Jim in CT
01-18-2022, 06:08 PM
another feather in Pudding Brain’s cap. let’s be soft on crime, teach everyone to despise those with whom we disagree, mock religion and the traditional family, no downside, right?

We’re in Jimmy Carter territory now.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-murder-rate-violence-big-cities-records

wdmso
01-18-2022, 10:08 PM
another feather in Pudding Brain’s cap. let’s be soft on crime, teach everyone to despise those with whom we disagree, mock religion and the traditional family, no downside, right?

We’re in Jimmy Carter territory now.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-murder-rate-violence-big-cities-records

I know Jim Americans have never murdered each other before

The U.S. murder rate rose 30% between 2019 and 2020 – the largest single-year increase in more than a century,

Don’t recall you being concerned it was Trumps fault

highest it's been in 25 Years. So we have been here before



When are you going to tell us what mythical policy Biden passed to create this increase

Another conservatives myth the US isn’t tough on Crime

Criminals do not factor in punishment when the commit crimes .. that’s another myth created by conservatives

Current prison population in the US

1.8 million people

China 1,710,000

Weak on Crime ok
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Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 06:22 AM
I know Jim Americans have never murdered each other before

The U.S. murder rate rose 30% between 2019 and 2020 – the largest single-year increase in more than a century,

Don’t recall you being concerned it was Trumps fault

highest it's been in 25 Years. So we have been here before



When are you going to tell us what mythical policy Biden passed to create this increase

Another conservatives myth the US isn’t tough on Crime

Criminals do not factor in punishment when the commit crimes .. that’s another myth created by conservatives

Current prison population in the US

1.8 million people

China 1,710,000

Weak on Crime ok
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yes, that’s exactly what i said, that there were never any murders until Biden came along. You got me!

we know what decreases crime, and we know what increases crime, because rational people can look at results.

Rudy Giuliani is a clown now. When he was mayor of NY, he brought about massive decreases in violent crime. Things like stop and frisk work. You may not like that it works, but it works.z

the liberal approach ( attack the nuclear family, attack faith, coddle
criminals, attack police, decriminalize drugs, let homeless create huge camps) well, now we know the effects of those things. mean, anyone who had commen sense could have predicted the impact of that stupidity, but we don’t have to guess anymore. we can look at the results, and we knows. They suck . They are stupid and they suck.

Living in CT, i can tell you that liberals aren’t persuaded by results. they never admit tax and spend just doesn’t work, and they do it again the next year.
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Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 06:24 AM
I know Jim Americans have never murdered each other before

The U.S. murder rate rose 30% between 2019 and 2020 – the largest single-year increase in more than a century,

Don’t recall you being concerned it was Trumps fault

highest it's been in 25 Years. So we have been here before



When are you going to tell us what mythical policy Biden passed to create this increase

Another conservatives myth the US isn’t tough on Crime

Criminals do not factor in punishment when the commit crimes .. that’s another myth created by conservatives

Current prison population in the US

1.8 million people

China 1,710,000

Weak on Crime ok
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oh, on Trump, i’ve said here many times that i hated his criminal
justice reform. drug dealing isn’t a non-violent crime.

The president doesn’t control the murder rate obviously. but biden supports the liberal insanity that is causing the spike.
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wdmso
01-19-2022, 07:38 AM
but biden supports the liberal insanity that is causing the spike.

So Trumps criminal reform bill caused

The year-over-year increase in the U.S. murder rate in 2020 was the largest since at least 1905 – and possibly ever,


Most states saw their murder rates go up between 2019 and 2020. At least eight states saw their murder rates rise by 40% or more last year, with the largest percentage increases in Montana (+84%), South Dakota (+81%), Delaware (+62%) and Kentucky (+61%), according to the CDC.

But let’s only focus on cities with Dem mayors. No bias in that

Firearms were involved in 77% of murders for which data was available in 2020, up from 73% in 2019,

But we don’t have a gun issue in the US

It is not yet clear why murders rose dramatically in 2020. Experts have pointed to a variety of potential causes, including the economic and societal changes brought on by the coronavirus pandemic and changes in police-community relations after the murder of George Floyd But the exact reasons remain unclear.

Unclear imagine that

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/



But yet you why. Biden. Lol
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Pete F.
01-19-2022, 07:38 AM
oh, on Trump, i’ve said here many times that i hated his criminal
justice reform. drug dealing isn’t a non-violent crime.

The president doesn’t control the murder rate obviously. but biden supports the liberal insanity that is causing the spike.
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just what is causing the spike?

Anytime you hear a “rise in crime” or “spike in shootings,” remember: whatever the claim, it's happening despite investing the most on policing in the history of the world. A brutal indictment of the efficacy of policing. Yet police are using their pathetic failures to demand more?

wdmso
01-19-2022, 07:51 AM
just what is causing the spike?

Anytime you hear a “rise in crime” or “spike in shootings,” remember: whatever the claim, it's happening despite investing the most on policing in the history of the world. A brutal indictment of the efficacy of policing. Yet police are using their pathetic failures to demand more?


Conservatives FBI arrest whites jan6 or they didn’t say the Islamic terrorism they suck! their against us., even though they kill the guy

When police shoot unarmed people of color they defend the police with excuses blaming the dead person

Odd logic
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Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 08:22 AM
but biden supports the liberal insanity that is causing the spike.

So Trumps criminal reform bill caused

The year-over-year increase in the U.S. murder rate in 2020 was the largest since at least 1905 – and possibly ever,


Most states saw their murder rates go up between 2019 and 2020. At least eight states saw their murder rates rise by 40% or more last year, with the largest percentage increases in Montana (+84%), South Dakota (+81%), Delaware (+62%) and Kentucky (+61%), according to the CDC.

But let’s only focus on cities with Dem mayors. No bias in that

Firearms were involved in 77% of murders for which data was available in 2020, up from 73% in 2019,

But we don’t have a gun issue in the US

It is not yet clear why murders rose dramatically in 2020. Experts have pointed to a variety of potential causes, including the economic and societal changes brought on by the coronavirus pandemic and changes in police-community relations after the murder of George Floyd But the exact reasons remain unclear.

Unclear imagine that

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/



But yet you why. Biden. Lol
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one guy says it’s unclear why crime is spiking. You grab onto that with both hands, because it serves your agenda.

the polls suggest america disagrees with you. but you don’t believe any of the polls either. Good for you.
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Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 08:24 AM
Conservatives FBI arrest whites jan6 or they didn’t say the Islamic terrorism they suck! their against us., even though they kill the guy

When police shoot unarmed people of color they defend the police with excuses blaming the dead person

Odd logic
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if you can provide an English translation for that first paragraph, that would be helpful.
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Pete F.
01-19-2022, 08:58 AM
if you can provide an English translation for that first paragraph, that would be helpful.
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He could just post the Tucker Carlson clip
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scottw
01-19-2022, 09:23 AM
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Conservatives FBI arrest whites jan6 or they didn’t say the Islamic terrorism they suck! their against us., even though they kill the guy



if you can provide an English translation for that first paragraph, that would be helpful.

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"Americans are stupid"...you can't make this up....

Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 01:32 PM
"Americans are stupid"...you can't make this up....

Well he was correct in that statement, but perhaps not in the way he meant it.

Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 01:35 PM
Goldman Sachs predicts oil will hit $100 a barrel in 2022. Just about every single indicator is working against the left right now. A LOT can and will happen by November. But my God this is making Jimmy Carter look like Dwight Eisenhower.

wdmso
01-19-2022, 06:44 PM
Texas AG Paxton to Newsmax: Synagogue Standoff Shows Why FBI Isn't Trusted

Friend of yours Jim?

This is the AG who him himself is currently under investigation so much for backing the blue
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Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 09:14 PM
Texas AG Paxton to Newsmax: Synagogue Standoff Shows Why FBI Isn't Trusted

Friend of yours Jim?

This is the AG who him himself is currently under investigation so much for backing the blue
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we’re all in cahoots. that, or just maybe, the FBI is sipping.
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wdmso
01-19-2022, 09:23 PM
we’re all in cahoots. that, or just maybe, the FBI is sipping.
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Just more conspiracy’s

Just like fox is peddling this show

'The Miseducation of America'

But you need to pay for it.. fleecing the gullible

Ps who killed the Guy . Oh ya The FBI
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Jim in CT
01-19-2022, 09:36 PM
Just more conspiracy’s

Just like fox is peddling this show

'The Miseducation of America'

But you need to pay for it.. fleecing the gullible

Ps who killed the Guy . Oh ya The FBI
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i’ve asked you a few times, do you deny that academia has a meaningful liberal bias?
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wdmso
01-20-2022, 09:33 AM
i’ve asked you a few times, do you deny that academia has a meaningful liberal bias?
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Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?


About 76 percent of public school teachers were female and 24 percent were male

Women More Likely to Be Democrats, Regardless of Age

It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it You speak
As it a grand conspiracy, but then again that’s what conservatives want you to believe …. Just watch that Fox show and it’s a Christian school administrator it’s in your wheel house

Hegseth uncovers the secrets of the Left's educational agenda

And how our children can be taught to become virtuous citizens

The progressives removed all of that; most importantly, God, from the classroom. And they use some really insidious tactics to do it."

Religion and conspiracy. A perfect Fox show

scottw
01-20-2022, 09:42 AM
Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?


About 76 percent of public school teachers were female and 24 percent were male

Women More Likely to Be Democrats, Regardless of Age

It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it You speak
As it a grand conspiracy, but then again that’s what conservatives want you to believe …. Just watch that Fox show and it’s a Christian school administrator it’s in your wheel house

Hegseth uncovers the secrets of the Left's educational agenda

And how our children can be taught to become virtuous citizens

The progressives removed all of that; most importantly, God, from the classroom. And they use some really insidious tactics to do it."

Religion and conspiracy. A perfect Fox show

this is like a rambling brandon press conference....

Jim in CT
01-20-2022, 09:56 AM
Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?


About 76 percent of public school teachers were female and 24 percent were male

Women More Likely to Be Democrats, Regardless of Age

It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it You speak
As it a grand conspiracy, but then again that’s what conservatives want you to believe …. Just watch that Fox show and it’s a Christian school administrator it’s in your wheel house

Hegseth uncovers the secrets of the Left's educational agenda

And how our children can be taught to become virtuous citizens

The progressives removed all of that; most importantly, God, from the classroom. And they use some really insidious tactics to do it."

Religion and conspiracy. A perfect Fox show

"Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?"

They don't get hired. That's what's stopping them. This might be news to you, but a conservative can't just show up on a college campus and declare himself a professor and start teaching. You have to get hired first. They don't hire conservatives.

"It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it"

What's nefarious, is that kids aren't educated, they're indoctrinated. They aren't taught how to think, they are taught what to think. What's nefarious about it, is that college students go berserk when a conservative speaker is invited to give a simple talk on campus. Instead of engaging the conservative speaker like a normal person, the college kids can't deal with it, they need a safe space to curl up into a ball and suck their thumbs. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative speakers are routinely mobbed off stage, rather than being given a chance to speak. It turns college kids into adults like you, who are physically incapable of processing anything that doesn't support the liberal narrative. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative students cannot possibly feel comfortable expressing their views in class, when their teacher says their views are as evil as Hitler.

I taught in public school Wayne, and was a student at three different colleges. I saw it.

I took a sociology class at UCONN, taught by a marxist female who hated everybody to the right of Bernie Sanders. She made us read a autobiography by convicted cop killer Abu Mumia Jamal, the whole autobiography was whiny rant about how the cops framed him. We had one courageous student in th eclass, who said to the teacher "you know, the widow of the cop he killed, also wrote a book, maybe we could read that book too, to get both sides of the event."

The teacher went berserk at the suggestion.

Again, that was one example, and one observation doesn't mean anything. But that stuff happens every single day, on every single campus.

Here's a study that suggests that democrats professors outnumber republican professors nine to one. 9 to 1. That's not an accident.

Liberals want diversity of everything, except of ideas.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democratic-professors-outnumber-republicans-9-to-1-at-top-colleges

Pete F.
01-20-2022, 10:22 AM
Fox News is running a whole series stoking outrage about the left’s supposed “indoctrination” of kids, while at the same airing advertisements for children’s books to teach your kids to hate socialism before they even know what it is.
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Got Stripers
01-20-2022, 10:39 AM
"Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?"

They don't get hired. That's what's stopping them. This might be news to you, but a conservative can't just show up on a college campus and declare himself a professor and start teaching. You have to get hired first. They don't hire conservatives.

"It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it"

What's nefarious, is that kids aren't educated, they're indoctrinated. They aren't taught how to think, they are taught what to think. What's nefarious about it, is that college students go berserk when a conservative speaker is invited to give a simple talk on campus. Instead of engaging the conservative speaker like a normal person, the college kids can't deal with it, they need a safe space to curl up into a ball and suck their thumbs. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative speakers are routinely mobbed off stage, rather than being given a chance to speak. It turns college kids into adults like you, who are physically incapable of processing anything that doesn't support the liberal narrative. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative students cannot possibly feel comfortable expressing their views in class, when their teacher says their views are as evil as Hitler.

I taught in public school Wayne, and was a student at three different colleges. I saw it.

I took a sociology class at UCONN, taught by a marxist female who hated everybody to the right of Bernie Sanders. She made us read a autobiography by convicted cop killer Abu Mumia Jamal, the whole autobiography was whiny rant about how the cops framed him. We had one courageous student in th eclass, who said to the teacher "you know, the widow of the cop he killed, also wrote a book, maybe we could read that book too, to get both sides of the event."

The teacher went berserk at the suggestion.

Again, that was one example, and one observation doesn't mean anything. But that stuff happens every single day, on every single campus.

Here's a study that suggests that democrats professors outnumber republican professors nine to one. 9 to 1. That's not an accident.

Liberals want diversity of everything, except of ideas.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democratic-professors-outnumber-republicans-9-to-1-at-top-colleges

Wow you really are drunk on the narrative they feed you. So the entire country’s education system is a giant liberal cult brainwashing the children. I guess these conservatives applying for these jobs aren’t that smart, or they would realize there are laws against discrimination of all kinds. Better spread the word Jim, all conservative families moving forward better home school, or run the risk of little Johnny or Nancy growing up liberal,?

scottw
01-20-2022, 10:46 AM
Wow you really are drunk on the narrative they feed you. So the entire country’s education system is a giant liberal cult brainwashing the children.

have you ever read the publications that the NEA sends out? I have :rtfm:

Jim in CT
01-20-2022, 10:47 AM
Wow you really are drunk on the narrative they feed you. So the entire country’s education system is a giant liberal cult brainwashing the children. I guess these conservatives applying for these jobs aren’t that smart, or they would realize there are laws against discrimination of all kinds. Better spread the word Jim, all conservative families moving forward better home school, or run the risk of little Johnny or Nancy growing up liberal,?

"So the entire country’s education system is a giant liberal cult brainwashing the children."

Pretty sure I didn't say that, but easier for you to respond to nonsensical gibberish that I never said, than it is for you to respond to what I actually said.

GS, when guest speakers at colleges are mobbed off the stage, how often are they liberal speakers who are hounded off the stage by conservative students? And how often are the conservative speakers hounded off the stage by liberal students?

That indoctrnation clearly worked on you, as you're one of the liberal always good, conservative always bad cultists.

"I guess these conservatives applying for these jobs aren’t that smart, or they would realize there are laws against discrimination of all kinds."

Please show us the law, which says it's illegal to discriminate against someone, based on their political ideology? How many conservatives host their own shows at CNN or MSNBC?

Jim in CT
01-20-2022, 10:48 AM
have you ever read the publications that the NEA sends out? I have :rtfm:

No, but he watched CNN, and they didn't tell him that there's a liberal bias in academia, and that's good enough for him.

scottw
01-20-2022, 10:53 AM
I guess these conservatives applying for these jobs aren’t that smart, or they would realize there are laws against discrimination of all kinds.

I was having a conversation with someone last night who is in education, talking about friends they have that are in doctoral programs moving through the system, getting papers published, how the entire system, despite what is claimed, is a complete racket, no diversity of thought, you either go along of you don't advance or life is made difficult for you...it's all ass kissing and towing the leftist line....which is what it is in many other endeavors but academia purports to be this open-minded, diverse culture of thought and opinion...it's as closed minded and narrowly authoritarian as anything else

Jim in CT
01-20-2022, 10:55 AM
I was having a conversation with someone last night who is in education, talking about friends they have that are in doctoral programs moving through the system, getting papers published, how the entire system, despite what is claimed, is a complete racket, no diversity of thought, you either go along of you don't advance or life is made difficult for you...it's all ass kissing and towing the leftist line....which is what it is in many other endeavors but academia purports to be this open-minded, diverse culture of thought and opinion...it's as closed minded and narrowly authoritarian as anything else

college teaching is a HUGE racket. those folks make really good
money, and it’s usually a very very cushy assignment, most can’t conceive of working 2,000 hours in a year.
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scottw
01-20-2022, 10:58 AM
college teaching is a HUGE racket.

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well...they spend a lot of time pondering...so that's something

Jim in CT
01-20-2022, 11:05 AM
well...they spend a lot of time pondering...so that's something

i played some tennis a few times with the chairman of the sociology department at wesleyan university in CT ( i was careful not to bring up politics, as i’d have zero in common with him, and he was a nice guy).

He told me that he can’t track his hours in a way that averages out to 30 hours a week. even adding in office hours, preparing lesson plans, teaching, grading papers, department meetings,he can’t get it to 30 hours a week. and that’s when school is in session, which is approximately 34 weeks each year. a big big reason why college costs so much.
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scottw
01-21-2022, 04:33 AM
i played some tennis a few times with the chairman of the sociology department at wesleyan university in CT ( i was careful not to bring up politics, as i’d have zero in common with him, and he was a nice guy).


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it's only 3 minutes

https://youtu.be/SdrtyVMcH9o

Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 07:18 AM
it's only 3 minutes

https://youtu.be/SdrtyVMcH9o

whew. if a conservative was writing a sitcom about the downside of liberal indoctrination in academia, they couldn’t write a scene better than how that unfolded.

the kid had imperious righteousness, yet had zero ability to explain anything. that’s what happens what you’re taught what to think, not how to think?
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 07:19 AM
I’m sure you both will dissuade your children from wasting their time and your money on an Ivy League education. Community College is fine, lots of self made billionaires are dropouts
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scottw
01-21-2022, 07:20 AM
whew. if a conservative was writing a sitcom about the downside of liberal indoctrination in academia, they couldn’t write a scene better than how that unfolded.

the kid had imperious righteousness, yet had zero ability to explain anything. that’s what happens what you’re taught what to think, not how to think?
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good news is that if these leftists ever decide they actually want to fight it out over America...it won't last very long :biglaugh:

Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 07:29 AM
good news is that if these leftists ever decide they actually want to fight it out over America...it won't last very long :biglaugh:

agreed, the next civil war will be a whole lot shorter than the first one.

that kid couldn’t admit that the interviewer was asking him a question.

interviewer: what disinformation are we spreading?

kid: you don’t want to know.

interviewer; yes i do, that’s why i just asked you.

kid: no you didn’t.

he couldn’t admit that the guy asked him a question. why couldn’t he admit that?

what are we preparing that kid for, exactly? perhaps his own show at CNN?
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wdmso
01-21-2022, 08:54 AM
"Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?"

They don't get hired. That's what's stopping them. This might be news to you, but a conservative can't just show up on a college campus and declare himself a professor and start teaching. You have to get hired first. They don't hire conservatives.

"It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it"

What's nefarious, is that kids aren't educated, they're indoctrinated. They aren't taught how to think, they are taught what to think. What's nefarious about it, is that college students go berserk when a conservative speaker is invited to give a simple talk on campus. Instead of engaging the conservative speaker like a normal person, the college kids can't deal with it, they need a safe space to curl up into a ball and suck their thumbs. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative speakers are routinely mobbed off stage, rather than being given a chance to speak. It turns college kids into adults like you, who are physically incapable of processing anything that doesn't support the liberal narrative. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative students cannot possibly feel comfortable expressing their views in class, when their teacher says their views are as evil as Hitler.


I took a sociology class at UCONN, taught by a marxist female who hated everybody to the right of Bernie Sanders. She made us read a autobiography by convicted cop killer Abu Mumia Jamal, the whole autobiography was whiny rant about how the cops framed him. We had one courageous student in th eclass, who said to the teacher "you know, the widow of the cop he killed, also wrote a book, maybe we could read that book too, to get both sides of the event."

The teacher went berserk at the suggestion.

Again, that was one example, and one observation doesn't mean anything. But that stuff happens every single day, on every single campus.

Here's a study that suggests that democrats professors outnumber republican professors nine to one. 9 to 1. That's not an accident.

Liberals want diversity of everything, except of ideas.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democratic-professors-outnumber-republicans-9-to-1-at-top-colleges


Jim your just another conspiracy chasing right wing fanatic using all these loaded words the only indoctrinated person I see is you

They don't get hired. That's what's
Ya ok you said you were a teacher there goes that theory


they're indoctrinated. Another talking point shocking

I taught in public school Wayne, and was a student at three different colleges. I saw it.

Need a tissue Some people aren’t cut out to be Teachers

So who indoctrinated the millions of Americans who do go no go to college ? K-12 teacher s? Or all the school boards in America?

so Red state school boards and teachers have indoctrinated red state kids! in some grand conspiracy?

You need to wipe of that kool aid mustache . It may leave a permanent stain! if it hasn’t already
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 09:18 AM
The 2010 US Supreme Court Citizens United decision hung a giant "FOR SALE" sign on the US Government and now everyone's surprised that "we the people" got replaced by "corporations are people."

If you’re paying attention, you see the Federalist Society justices moving pieces out on the chessboard to set up later moves for the deregulatory dark-money donors who put them on the Court.

No public education. No public healthcare. No public safety nets. No action vs. climate change.....

The Birch – Koch – Federalist – Mercer – DeVos – Fossil Fuel – 1% – Bannon – Thiel.....way
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wdmso
01-21-2022, 09:19 AM
How many conservatives host their own shows at CNN or MSNBC?

That’s your response Jim ..

I fell out of my chair you showed got stripers You own that lib lol

Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 09:22 AM
[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1220979]"Jim what’s stopping conservatives from becoming Academics ?"

They don't get hired. That's what's stopping them. This might be news to you, but a conservative can't just show up on a college campus and declare himself a professor and start teaching. You have to get hired first. They don't hire conservatives.

"It’s a liberal profession it’s not rocket science. And what’s so nefarious about it"

What's nefarious, is that kids aren't educated, they're indoctrinated. They aren't taught how to think, they are taught what to think. What's nefarious about it, is that college students go berserk when a conservative speaker is invited to give a simple talk on campus. Instead of engaging the conservative speaker like a normal person, the college kids can't deal with it, they need a safe space to curl up into a ball and suck their thumbs. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative speakers are routinely mobbed off stage, rather than being given a chance to speak. It turns college kids into adults like you, who are physically incapable of processing anything that doesn't support the liberal narrative. What's nefarious about it, is that conservative students cannot possibly feel comfortable expressing their views in class, when their teacher says their views are as evil as Hitler.


I took a sociology class at UCONN, taught by a marxist female who hated everybody to the right of Bernie Sanders. She made us read a autobiography by convicted cop killer Abu Mumia Jamal, the whole autobiography was whiny rant about how the cops framed him. We had one courageous student in th eclass, who said to the teacher "you know, the widow of the cop he killed, also wrote a book, maybe we could read that book too, to get both sides of the event."

The teacher went berserk at the suggestion.

Again, that was one example, and one observation doesn't mean anything. But that stuff happens every single day, on every single campus.

Here's a study that suggests that democrats professors outnumber republican professors nine to one. 9 to 1. That's not an accident.

Liberals want diversity of everything, except of ideas.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democratic-professors-outnumber-republicans-9-to-1-at-top-colleges[/QUO


Jim your just another conspiracy chasing right wing fanatic using all these loaded words the only indoctrinated person I see is you

They don't get hired. That's what's
Ya ok you said you were a teacher there goes that theory


they're indoctrinated. Another talking point shocking

I taught in public school Wayne, and was a student at three different colleges. I saw it.

Need a tissue Some people aren’t cut out to be Teachers

So who indoctrinated the millions of Americans who do go no go to college ? K-12 teacher s? Or all the school boards in America?

so Red state school boards and teachers have indoctrinated red state kids! in some grand conspiracy?

You need to wipe of that kool aid mustache . It may leave a permanent stain! if it hasn’t already
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"the only indoctrinated person I see is you"

Yeah? i've said here, there are big issues on which I agree 100% with democrats. If you're a free-thinker and not a puppet, please tell us which big issues, you agree 100% with conservatives on.

Every single post you've ever made here, every single one, praises liberals and attacks conservatives. But you're not indoctrinated.

"Ya ok you said you were a teacher there goes that theory"

Except it was decades ago, I taught middle school not college, and I was a registered democrat then. Yeah, you really got me there Wayne.

"So who indoctrinated the millions of Americans who do go no go to college ? K-12 teacher s? Or all the school boards in America?"

Not all school boards. But most. Rarely do you hear of right-wing teachers indoctrinating students, it's almost always liberal teachers forcing their beliefs on students. Almost every single time.

The fact that you don't concede it, doesn't mean it's not true. We could fill the oceans with truths that you deny.

On college campuses, why is it always the right-wing speakers who got mobbed off the stage by liberal protesters? Never the other way around?

scottw
01-21-2022, 09:31 AM
So who indoctrinated the millions of Americans who do go no go to college ?

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this won't look good on your college application....

The Dad Fisherman
01-21-2022, 09:37 AM
this won't look good on your college application....

I’m sure some college will take him :hee:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/78/28/11/782811bad3b2bd90502d7b40d8b54892.jpg
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 09:52 AM
If you listen to Jim repeat what he’s trained to spout, you’ll find that liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.
And they have had this grand conspiracy going forever.

The Russia investigation is dismissed, from the president on down, as a politicized witch hunt. George Soros supposedly paid $300 to each participant in the “March for Our Lives” in March.
What is less well appreciated by liberals is that the language of conspiracy is often used to justify similar behavior on the right. The Russia investigation is not just a witch hunt, it’s the product of the real scandal, which is Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. Soros funds paid campus protestors, so Turning Point USA needs millions of dollars from Republican donors to win university elections. The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs, so the Koch Foundation needs to give millions of dollars to universities with strings very much attached.
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scottw
01-21-2022, 10:05 AM
If you listen to Jim repeat what he’s trained to spout, you’ll find that liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.
And they have had this grand conspiracy going forever.

The Russia investigation is dismissed, from the president on down, as a politicized witch hunt. George Soros supposedly paid $300 to each participant in the “March for Our Lives” in March.
What is less well appreciated by liberals is that the language of conspiracy is often used to justify similar behavior on the right. The Russia investigation is not just a witch hunt, it’s the product of the real scandal, which is Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. Soros funds paid campus protestors, so Turning Point USA needs millions of dollars from Republican donors to win university elections. The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs, so the Koch Foundation needs to give millions of dollars to universities with strings very much attached.
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dear plagiarism pete...this would not go over well in college either...

Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 10:30 AM
If you listen to Jim repeat what he’s trained to spout, you’ll find that liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.
And they have had this grand conspiracy going forever.

n is dismissed, from the president on down, as a pThe Russia investigatiooliticized witch hunt. George Soros supposedly paid $300 to each participant in the “March for Our Lives” in March.
What is less well appreciated by liberals is that the language of conspiracy is often used to justify similar behavior on the right. The Russia investigation is not just a witch hunt, it’s the product of the real scandal, which is Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. Soros funds paid campus protestors, so Turning Point USA needs millions of dollars from Republican donors to win university elections. The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs, so the Koch Foundation needs to give millions of dollars to universities with strings very much attached.
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If you listen to Pete spew what he has been taught to spew, you'll hear that democrats are never wring about anything, republicans are never right about anything.

Pete, who supported slavery and Jim Crow, and who fought against it? Can you answer that, please?

"The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal cult"

What I've said, is that the media and academia have a liberal bias. I'm not saying that they can never be fair, or that they're always wrong. I'm saying they're biased, and the data bears that out.

The Russia investigation was, precisely, a worthless political witch hunt. That doesn't mean I defend everything Trump has done. But that was a sham.

"Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. "

The Steele dossier, in particular, was a mockery of justice, a political weapon used by people who hate Trump, to violate the rights of a US citizen.

"The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs"

Obviously, irrefutably true, especially teaching jobs in the humanities and liberal arts.

Man you are a kook.

Pete F.
01-21-2022, 10:37 AM
agreed, the next civil war will be a whole lot shorter than the first one.

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“good news is that if these leftists ever decide they actually want to fight it out over America...it won't last very long”
Scott

So the guys who aren’t proud enough of their beliefs to admit them in public or at work, think that the cosplay warriors would put up a fight

https://youtu.be/oI-BoEca2bE
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Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 10:47 AM
“good news is that if these leftists ever decide they actually want to fight it out over America...it won't last very long”
Scott

So the guys who aren’t proud enough of their beliefs to admit them in public or at work, think that the cosplay warriors would put up a fight

https://youtu.be/oI-BoEca2bE
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Pete, you guys denying that media and academia have a liberal bias, makes exactly as much sense as my denying that foxnews has a conservative bias. Anyone who'd say that, is both an idiot and a liar. You'd deny the sky is blue if the DNC told you to.

Got Stripers
01-21-2022, 10:59 AM
Back before the internet, I’d go to the comics in the Sunday paper first, nothing better than a good laugh to start your day. Now I come to the SB political forum to chuckle watching you two girls pee In each other’s pool thread after pathetic thread. I will give Pete credit for persistence, Jim cudos for always being right and Wayne credit for attempting to have a respectable debate. Ross will chime in occasionally to attempt to bring in civility, but that is of course an exercise in futility. Scott loves to show how SMART (said in a hard Boston accent) he is, always on the lookout for a chance to jump on someone not watching out for spell check errors and always the occasional do drop in by Dad and others with pearls of wisdom.

And then there is DeBarr, just a trolling Midwest crappie fisherman who absolutely loves listening to himself.

Carry on I’m enjoying the #^&#^&#^&#^& show.

scottw
01-21-2022, 11:01 AM
You'd deny the sky is blue if the DNC told you to.



he would cut and paste what they wrote and then present it as his own thought and then tell you that you are programmed to say stuff :kewl:

scottw
01-21-2022, 11:02 AM
Back before the internet,



oh good...old people stories :shocked:

detbuch
01-21-2022, 11:04 AM
Pete, you guys denying that media and academia have a liberal bias, makes exactly as much sense as my denying that foxnews has a conservative bias. Anyone who'd say that, is both an idiot and a liar. You'd deny the sky is blue if the DNC told you to.

Academia has a politically Progressive bias, not a politically liberal bias. Progressivism is not liberal in the classical sense of that word. Progressivism is authoritarian in its nature.

Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 11:05 AM
Back before the internet, I’d go to the comics in the Sunday paper first, nothing better than a good laugh to start your day. Now I come to the SB political forum to chuckle watching you two girls pee In each other’s pool thread after pathetic thread. I will give Pete credit for persistence, Jim cudos for always being right and Wayne credit for attempting to have a respectable debate. Ross will chime in occasionally to attempt to bring in civility, but that is of course an exercise in futility. Scott loves to show how SMART (said in a hard Boston accent) he is, always on the lookout for a chance to jump on someone not watching out for spell check errors and always the occasional do drop in by Dad and others with pearls of wisdom.

And then there is DeBarr, just a trolling Midwest crappie fisherman who absolutely loves listening to himself.

Carry on I’m enjoying the #^&#^&#^&#^& show.

so when you come on, lob baseless insults and scurry off, that’s ok.

but whenever anyone you disagree with posts here, it’s a character flaw.

sorry i missed that memo that made you overlord of all things here, but i must say, that’s a nice position for you to be in. Good work if you can get it.
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detbuch
01-21-2022, 11:11 AM
so when you come on, lob baseless insults and scurry off, that’s ok.

but whenever anyone you disagree with posts here, it’s a character flaw.

sorry i missed that memo that made you overlord of all things here, but i must say, that’s a nice position for you to be in. Good work if you can get it.
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He's in his mindless comfort zone. A gallon of salty buttered up popcorn, a preferably funny show . . . and he's good to go.

Pete F.
01-21-2022, 11:13 AM
If you listen to Pete spew what he has been taught to spew, you'll hear that democrats are never wring about anything, republicans are never right about anything.

Pete, who supported slavery and Jim Crow, and who fought against it? Can you answer that, please?


"The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal cult"

What I've said, is that the media and academia have a liberal bias. I'm not saying that they can never be fair, or that they're always wrong. I'm saying they're biased, and the data bears that out.

The Russia investigation was, precisely, a worthless political witch hunt. That doesn't mean I defend everything Trump has done. But that was a sham.

"Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. "

The Steele dossier, in particular, was a mockery of justice, a political weapon used by people who hate Trump, to violate the rights of a US citizen.

"The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs"

Obviously, irrefutably true, especially teaching jobs in the humanities and liberal arts.

Man you are a kook.

I’ve rebutted everyone of your claims before, if the basis of your beliefs is that the Republican Party is still the Party of Lincoln and the Democratic Party is the Party of George Wallace and Bull Connor, you are stupid.

You still haven’t read the Mueller report or the Steele dossier.

If you think the Steele raw intelligence report is all made up, just what did Paul Manafort not “rat out” Trump for and then get pardoned? What was Roger Stone pardoned for?
Did Trump have deals in Russia?

Just how are your great speakers Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, Charles Murray, and Ann Coulter disrupted, nothing makes them happier, In some instances, they seem to invite, and delight in, disruption. Anything to enhance their victimization.
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 11:21 AM
Academia has a politically Progressive bias, not a politically liberal bias. Progressivism is not liberal in the classical sense of that word. Progressivism is authoritarian in its nature.

If you want to be socially progressive, you have to support initiatives that foster social progress, like education equality, women’s health resources, criminal justice reform, universal healthcare, workplace equality, and so on. These initiatives either cost taxpayer money, require governmentally enforced regulation, or both. If you believe in smaller government and want to pay less in taxes, how do you propose social progress be made? Because if there’s no social progress funding, there’s no social progress. Passive support is no support at all.

You can be socially conservative and fiscally conservative, but if you’re fiscally conservative, you can only be either socially conservative or a person who doesn’t give a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And not giving a #^&#^&#^&#^& is not progressive.
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Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 11:23 AM
He's in his mindless comfort zone. A gallon of salty buttered up popcorn, a preferably funny show . . . and he's good to go.

don’t forget his Sunday funnies.
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 11:24 AM
so when you come on, lob baseless insults and scurry off, that’s ok.

but whenever anyone you disagree with posts here, it’s a character flaw.

sorry i missed that memo that made you overlord of all things here, but i must say, that’s a nice position for you to be in. Good work if you can get it.
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I think Jim’s 👮 worried that you want his badge.
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scottw
01-21-2022, 11:28 AM
you are stupid.


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atta boy.....

detbuch
01-21-2022, 11:52 AM
If you want to be socially progressive, you have to support initiatives that foster social progress, like education equality, women’s health resources, criminal justice reform, universal healthcare, workplace equality, and so on. These initiatives either cost taxpayer money, require governmentally enforced regulation, or both. If you believe in smaller government and want to pay less in taxes, how do you propose social progress be made? Because if there’s no social progress funding, there’s no social progress. Passive support is no support at all.

You can be socially conservative and fiscally conservative, but if you’re fiscally conservative, you can only be either socially conservative or a person who doesn’t give a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And not giving a #^&#^&#^&#^& is not progressive.
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In other words . . . you admit that Progressivism is authoritarian. And, like all good authoritarians, you claim your brand is for the good of society.

Pete F.
01-21-2022, 12:02 PM
In other words . . . you admit that Progressivism is authoritarian. And, like all good authoritarians, you claim your brand is for the good of society.

No, do you believe that no social progress is good.
At what point in time should it be halted or do you propose that we be time warped back to?
Are you like some here, wishing for the 50s and Eisenhower…..who identified as a progressive conservative(oops)
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 12:04 PM
atta boy.....
Atta boy, you missed the statement

“I’ve rebutted everyone of your claims before, if the basis of your beliefs is that the Republican Party is still the Party of Lincoln and the Democratic Party is the Party of George Wallace and Bull Connor, you are stupid.”
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Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 12:05 PM
If you want to be socially progressive, you have to support initiatives that foster social progress, like education equality, women’s health resources, criminal justice reform, universal healthcare, workplace equality, and so on. These initiatives either cost taxpayer money, require governmentally enforced regulation, or both. If you believe in smaller government and want to pay less in taxes, how do you propose social progress be made? Because if there’s no social progress funding, there’s no social progress. Passive support is no support at all.

You can be socially conservative and fiscally conservative, but if you’re fiscally conservative, you can only be either socially conservative or a person who doesn’t give a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And not giving a #^&#^&#^&#^& is not progressive.
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sure! conservatives HATE equality ( despite opposing slavery and jim crow), conservatives really despise women’s health. we really hate it when women are healthy.

just say “abortion”. if there’s nothing immoral about abortion, why do you feel the need to hide it in a euphemism like “women’s health”?

school equality? sorry, liberals adamantly oppose school choice.
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detbuch
01-21-2022, 12:20 PM
No, do you believe that no social progress is good.
At what point in time should it be halted or do you propose that we be time warped back to?
Are you like some here, wishing for the 50s and Eisenhower…..who identified as a progressive conservative(oops)
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The manner of achieving social progress makes all the difference. And the definition of "progress," like the definition of all socially loaded words can be the propaganda that supports the method.

That's my fortune cookie wisdom. Take it or leave it.

Pete F.
01-21-2022, 12:34 PM
sure! conservatives HATE equality ( despite opposing slavery and jim crow), conservatives really despise women’s health. we really hate it when women are healthy.

just say “abortion”. if there’s nothing immoral about abortion, why do you feel the need to hide it in a euphemism like “women’s health”?

school equality? sorry, liberals adamantly oppose school choice.
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No Jim,
Radical Republicans ended slavery, not conservatives.
And the end of the Jim Crow era with the aid of the Northern Democrats pushed Southern Conservatives to the Republican Party.

I don’t have any need to hide my views on abortion, I don’t think we’re required to believe in your religion.

Sorry but I think public education is important, not perfect but needed.
Left to their own conservatives would have no federal support for education.
And then if every state was as poorly educated as Republican controlled states, we’d have more Trumps and DeSantis’
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detbuch
01-21-2022, 01:03 PM
No Jim,
Radical Republicans ended slavery, not conservatives.
And the end of the Jim Crow era with the aid of the Northern Democrats pushed Southern Conservatives to the Republican Party.

However it came about, many Southern Democrats, or at least their children, joined Southern Republicans to form majorities, and, in conjuction with those Republican majorities, the South gradually became less racist.

I don’t have any need to hide my views on abortion, I don’t think we’re required to believe in your religion.

So then, Jim wanted to know why the word abortion is so persistently replaced by euphemisms such as "women's health"?

Sorry but I think public education is important, not perfect but needed.
Left to their own conservatives would have no federal support for education.
And then if every state was as poorly educated as Republican controlled states, we’d have more Trumps and DeSantis’
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Federal support for education, especially when it's used as a lever to dictate what and how is to be taught, is an unconstitutional power grab by Progressive authoritarians who are transforming us into an unlimited form of centralized government.

The public school teachers in the Republican controlled states graduated from the same Progressive education departments that dictate the programs of the vast majority of American colleges and universities. So the Republican controlled states are being educated just as well or poorly as the other states. Culture pretty much decides the amount and quality of what is learned. The quality of the learning of most black students in Democrat controlled states would be considered poorly educated. As well so for culturally backward whites. And the federal government has not provided an authoritarian solution to that problem. On the contrary, it seems to exacerbate the problem by not demanding, in its beneficent authoritarian way, that culturally backward families get their $hit together. Rather, it deems giving those folks more security and goodies will somehow transform their ways.

Of course, that gives the political power grabbers some statistical fodder to demand more power.

Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 01:43 PM
I don’t have any need to hide my views on abortion, I don’t think we’re required to believe in your religion.


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What a cowardly dodge, and you're smart enough to know it.

We don't differ in "women's health". We differ on abortion. You chose to hide behind a very benign-sounding euphemism, which is what your side does constantly.

Why? Why hide behind the label "choice" or "health"? Obviously, conservatives are in favor of choice and health. I'm not asking you to join my religion, I'm asking why you felt the need to be deceptive about your position.

It's all nonsense.

wdmso
01-21-2022, 02:38 PM
[QUOTE=wdmso;1221053]

"the only indoctrinated person I see is you"

Yeah? i've said here, there are big issues on which I agree 100% with democrats. If you're a free-thinker and not a puppet, please tell us which big issues, you agree 100% with conservatives on.

Every single post you've ever made here, every single one, praises liberals and attacks conservatives. But you're not indoctrinated.

"Ya ok you said you were a teacher there goes that theory"

Except it was decades ago, I taught middle school not college, and I was a registered democrat then. Yeah, you really got me there Wayne.

"So who indoctrinated the millions of Americans who do go no go to college ? K-12 teacher s? Or all the school boards in America?"

Not all school boards. But most. Rarely do you hear of right-wing teachers indoctrinating students, it's almost always liberal teachers forcing their beliefs on students. Almost every single time.

The fact that you don't concede it, doesn't mean it's not true. We could fill the oceans with truths that you deny.

On college campuses, why is it always the right-wing speakers who got mobbed off the stage by liberal protesters? Never the other way around?

Not all school boards. But most

More nonsense and conspiracy
And you are shocked when you get push back against your madness
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Pete F.
01-21-2022, 02:39 PM
What a cowardly dodge, and you're smart enough to know it.

We don't differ in "women's health". We differ on abortion. You chose to hide behind a very benign-sounding euphemism, which is what your side does constantly.

Why? Why hide behind the label "choice" or "health"? Obviously, conservatives are in favor of choice and health. I'm not asking you to join my religion, I'm asking why you felt the need to be deceptive about your position.

It's all nonsense.

Jim you’re lost in semantics again, if this was the period between 1591 and 1868 abortion before ensoulment would not be a sin in the eyes of your church.


In no logical world can Roe be overturned without obliterating the separation clause. To outlaw choice with arbitrary definitions of human life based on ancient mythology is to adopt a state religion. This is the real goal of the anti-choice movement. They accepted it long ago.
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Jim in CT
01-21-2022, 02:42 PM
[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1221059]

Not all school boards. But most

More nonsense and conspiracy
And you are shocked when you get push back against your madness
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i like it when people push back, but it’s preferable when they do it with some truth and common sense.

why can’t you ever respond when i ask you which big issues you agree 100% with conservatives on? that’s the easiest way to see who is an open minded thinker, and who’s a thoughtless zombie

i think liberals are correct in gay marriage. i think the liberal idea that health insurance cover pre existing conditions, was brilliant and kind and decent. i think liberals are right to oppose the death penalty.
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scottw
01-21-2022, 03:36 PM
this is worth the time...


https://youtu.be/2Kg0q82mFzI

Pete F.
01-21-2022, 04:54 PM
Ah yes all truth comes from YouTube
There’s some good stuff on there
This guy
https://youtu.be/0ctJ6Lkjdi4
And this guy
https://youtu.be/zJKXeOgXa4Q
Or this guy
https://youtu.be/c2Oxw7B6E3c
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scottw
01-22-2022, 02:55 AM
Ah yes all truth comes from YouTube
There’s some good stuff on there
This guy
https://youtu.be/0ctJ6Lkjdi4
And this guy
https://youtu.be/zJKXeOgXa4Q
Or this guy
https://youtu.be/c2Oxw7B6E3c
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I hesitate to click a link that you post.....but my link is an Opposing Views podcast that was done on CRT with some emphasis on how it has been inserted into our education system...the content is pretty interesting from both sides...can you handle an opposing view without losing your mind pete?

Pete F.
01-22-2022, 04:28 AM
Sorry, but even you with a little help could post on YouTube

“I saw it on the computer” doesn’t come close to making it true
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 07:19 AM
I can you handle an opposing view without losing your mind pete?

none of them can, not a one.
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 07:20 AM
“I saw it on the computer” doesn’t come close to making it true
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that’s pretty rich, coming from the guy known for posting long essays he found on then internet.

I mean, did you intend that to be funny?
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Pete F.
01-22-2022, 07:54 AM
that’s pretty rich, coming from the guy known for posting long essays he found on then internet.

I mean, did you intend that to be funny?
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You think this is serious, that’s funny, sorta like these people

Tucker Carlson is upset that an M&M got new shoes

Ted Cruz was upset Big Bird encouraged kids to get vaxxed

Matt Schlapp was upset there’s now an Asian American Sesame St muppet

They were upset about Mr Potato Head & Dr Seuss

But a terrorist attack on our Capitol? No big deal
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 07:59 AM
You think this is serious, that’s funny, sorta like these people

Tucker Carlson is upset that an M&M got new shoes

Ted Cruz was upset Big Bird encouraged kids to get vaxxed

Matt Schlapp was upset there’s now an Asian American Sesame St muppet

They were upset about Mr Potato Head & Dr Seuss

But a terrorist attack on our Capitol? No big deal
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pete, you were known as repeat, because of your tendency to cut and paste massive essays from the internet. you can’t deny you have a habit of doing that

then you say “just because you saw it on the internet, doesn’t make it true”.

you see no irony there? really?
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wdmso
01-22-2022, 09:09 AM
I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante
because the person who Posted it didn't write it .. not sure why youtube videos here are not looked at in the same negative Light ?

here's a C&P you'll support ..

Florida’s Senate Education committee approved a new bill supported by Florida governor Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday that would ban the state’s schools and private businesses from making people feel “discomfort” or “guilt” in regard to their race, sex, or national origin.

But he Says it's to protect everybody ! LOL only his followers are that gullible

Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 09:53 AM
I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante
because the person who Posted it didn't write it .. not sure why youtube videos here are not looked at in the same negative Light ?

here's a C&P you'll support ..

Florida’s Senate Education committee approved a new bill supported by Florida governor Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday that would ban the state’s schools and private businesses from making people feel “discomfort” or “guilt” in regard to their race, sex, or national origin.

But he Says it's to protect everybody ! LOL only his followers are that gullible

if a democrat governor suggested the same exact thing, you’d love it.
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scottw
01-22-2022, 10:06 AM
I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante



is that Italian?..."I deem your ridiculous argument irrelevante' !" :bl:

Pete F.
01-22-2022, 10:24 AM
Hey, has DeathSantis caught up to NYS yet?
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detbuch
01-22-2022, 10:40 AM
I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante
because the person who Posted it didn't write it .. not sure why youtube videos here are not looked at in the same negative Light ?

here's a C&P you'll support ..

Florida’s Senate Education committee approved a new bill supported by Florida governor Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday that would ban the state’s schools and private businesses from making people feel “discomfort” or “guilt” in regard to their race, sex, or national origin.

But he Says it's to protect everybody ! LOL only his followers are that gullible

This response from a Democrat Senator is precious:

“This bill’s not for Blacks, this bill was not for any other race. This was directed to make whites not feel bad about what happened years ago,” said Sen. Shevrin Jones (D-FL), adding, “At no point did anyone say white people should be held responsible for what happened, but what I would ask my white counterparts is, are you an enabler of what happened or are you going to say we must talk about history?”

He doesn't say white people should be held responsible for what happened in the past, but he would ask whites if they are enablers of (i.e. responsible for) what happened in the past.

I understand how you can enable the actions that are presently occurring, but enabling the actions of a past before you existed seems that it would require one of wdmso's time machines.

And is he saying that we don't talk about history? Is he saying that our schools don't teach what happened, don't teach about our history of slavery and how awful it was? I don't recall a time in my life that we haven't talked about slavery and the plight of blacks. I certainly learned about it in the schools I attended. I remember it being repeatedly referred to and explained in our various medias. It has been a continuous topic and cause of legislation as far as I can remember. We've had a plethora books, articles, movies, newscasts, debates, laws, regarding the stain in our history.

I guess we have arrived at a time when we must not only know about it, we must feel it. We are in the time of needing, foremost, to feel. And so we have to feel bad about what happened years ago.

Sure, we're not responsible for what happened before we were born, but if we do not feel bad about it, no matter how much we did legally to correct our past adherence to a universal centuries old evil (which we inherited--love the "inherited" excuse we like to use--as a result of being a part of the human race), no matter all that, we must be made to feel bad about it. Otherwise, even though we are not responsible for that past, if we don't feel bad about it, we have enabled it.

PaulS
01-22-2022, 12:27 PM
You think this is serious, that’s funny, sorta like these people

Tucker Carlson is upset that an M&M got new shoes

Ted Cruz was upset Big Bird encouraged kids to get vaxxed

Matt Schlapp was upset there’s now an Asian American Sesame St muppet

They were upset about Mr Potato Head & Dr Seuss

But a terrorist attack on our Capitol? No big deal
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Selective outrage for the snowflakes.
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wdmso
01-22-2022, 12:55 PM
if a democrat governor suggested the same exact thing, you’d love it.
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Jim cant love what wouldn't happen

So of use choose reason over fear

seem you choose fear lies and white guilt to justify these law changes Conservatives used the same methods to change Voter Laws they themselves approved before the last election

Calling it voter integrity.. when in fact it's agreeing that the Big lie happened .. and Just like CRT they insist it being Taught but can't prove it .. more conspiracy theories


Mississippi Senate passed a bill that would ban schools from teaching critical race theory.

The state superintendent of education has said critical race theory is not being taught in Mississippi schools and legislators have offered no evidence to show it is.

Jim you really dont live in Reality do you ?

detbuch
01-22-2022, 01:16 PM
J
Mississippi Senate passed a bill that would ban schools from teaching critical race theory.

The state superintendent of education has said critical race theory is not being taught in Mississippi schools and legislators have offered no evidence to show it is.


From the way you put it, the superintendent is doing what the bill requires. The bill should help the superintendent to keep up the good work. Is that bad?

PaulS
01-22-2022, 03:39 PM
Jim, you lied.

From the article you linked.

The murder rate was estimated to be 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2021. The 1996 murder rate was 7.4.

So how is 6.9 higher than 7.4?
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The Dad Fisherman
01-22-2022, 04:13 PM
Jim, you lied.

From the article you linked.

The murder rate was estimated to be 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2021. The 1996 murder rate was 7.4.

So how is 6.9 higher than 7.4?
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Was 1996 not 25 years ago?
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 04:18 PM
Jim, you lied.

From the article you linked.

The murder rate was estimated to be 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2021. The 1996 murder rate was 7.4.

So how is 6.9 higher than 7.4?
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highest in 25 years. highest “since” 1996.

2021 - 1996 = 25.

i am sorry if i had a typo or something paul. the murder rate is the highest it’s been, since 1996. that was the last time it was higher than it is now.

In the early 1990s, crime was awful. So the country got serious about fighting crime. It worked. Crime dropped significantly.

here’s the difference between the two sides. After decades of tough anti crime laws and decreasing crime, a conservative would say “crime is low, which shows that what we did, worked.”

A liberal says “crime is low, therefore we don’t need all those laws, all those cops, all those prisons.”

They just don’t know how to interpret empirical results. which his exactly why liberals in Ct, every two years, say that “tax and spend is sure to work this time!”.

Liberals right now, have a softer spot for criminals than for victims. they will get judged for that. They may not like the outcome. it’s not a great time in history to decide that cops are the enemy, and that criminals are the victims. They made that bed, they can lie in it.
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PaulS
01-22-2022, 05:11 PM
You're right I read it wrong and I apologize. Everything I have ever read says criminologist really don't know why the crime rate dropped from those historic highs in the 90s. Nor do they know why there has been a big increase in the last 2 years. The 2020 increase was gigantic and if I remember correct the 2021 is estimated to be another increase but its not as high percentage wise as in 2020. I thought I read that criminologist think the pandemic helped cause a decrease in minor crimes but an increase in Major Crimes. Again. I should not have said you lied and I apologize.
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 05:22 PM
You're right I read it wrong and I apologize. Everything I have ever read says criminologist really don't know why the crime rate dropped from those historic highs in the 90s. Nor do they know why there has been a big increase in the last 2 years. The 2020 increase was gigantic and if I remember correct the 2021 is estimated to be another increase but its not as high percentage wise as in 2020. I thought I read that criminologist think the pandemic helped cause a decrease in minor crimes but an increase in Major Crimes. Again. I should not have said you lied and I apologize.
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no sweat.
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 05:27 PM
You're right I read it wrong and I apologize. Everything I have ever read says criminologist really don't know why the crime rate dropped from those historic highs in the 90s. Nor do they know why there has been a big increase in the last 2 years. The 2020 increase was gigantic and if I remember correct the 2021 is estimated to be another increase but its not as high percentage wise as in 2020. I thought I read that criminologist think the pandemic helped cause a decrease in minor crimes but an increase in Major Crimes. Again. I should not have said you lied and I apologize.
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that’s not exactly the Stephen Hawking of criminologists who has no idea why crime dropped after we got tough on crime. when you put criminals in prison and keep them
there for awhile, how can crime not go down?

NYC was an absolute jungle. Guilliani got very tough in crime, crime went down. Deblasio undid that tough stance on crime, and crime increased.

those things could be a coincidence. common sense says there’s a connection, doesn’t it? ask parents, teachers, etc….sometimes guy have to get tough to stop unwanted behavior.

covid also likely plays a role as isolation doesn’t help
anyone’s mental health.
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PaulS
01-22-2022, 06:13 PM
Crime went down across the country not just in New York
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Pete F.
01-22-2022, 06:33 PM
The war on drugs started when I was in high school and that was a long time ago, it’s cost a trillion dollars and we spend 3+billion a year to keep people in prison for drug offenses.
Do you see that we’re winning, I don’t

Contrary to popular belief spending on police goes up every year and the results don’t improve.

It’s estimated that there’s 400 million guns owned by Americans and guns have been selling at a rate of over a million a month

Citizens United was 12 years ago today. It is the Patient Zero for most of our modern problems.

Twelve years ago the Supreme Court decided corporations are people under the First Amendment.

Today, sold-out politicians block progress on all fronts to appease their corporate donors.

Billionaire wealth - all time high, up 70% since the pandemic

Corporate profits - all time high

Global inequality - highest in over 100 years

Fifty percent of the U.S. workforce earned less than $35,000 in 2019, according to the Social Security Administration.

Keep the big picture in mind whenever people say that giving workers a raise causes problems.

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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PaulS
01-22-2022, 06:46 PM
Crime started to go down in New York in 1990. Giuliani was elected mayor and started the broken window policy in 1994. Crime continued to go down until recently even though New York stopped the Broken Window policy years ago.
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Jim in CT
01-22-2022, 09:03 PM
Crime started to go down in New York in 1990. Giuliani was elected mayor and started the broken window policy in 1994. Crime continued to go down until recently even though New York stopped the Broken Window policy years ago.
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ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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scottw
01-23-2022, 06:26 AM
Today, sold-out politicians block progress on all fronts to appease their corporate donors.

Billionaire wealth - all time high, up 70% since the pandemic

Corporate profits - all time high

Global inequality - highest in over 100 years



Keep the big picture in mind......


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hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 07:28 AM
hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

pete complains about the influence of billionaire wealth, but recently, he bragged that a huge majority of uber wealthy are democrats.

which is it, pete? is it a good thing that the uber wealthy lean left, or bad?

talk about wanting to have it both ways.

as to the rich getting richer…what do you expect with a massive stock run up than spans 12 years? how would you prevent the wealthy from benefiting from that? would you pass a law, that says “once your net worth exceeds this threshold, you must keep all your money in an account that pays 0% interest”?
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 08:25 AM
hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 08:25 AM
pete complains about the influence of billionaire wealth, but recently, he bragged that a huge majority of uber wealthy are democrats.

which is it, pete? is it a good thing that the uber wealthy lean left, or bad?

talk about wanting to have it both ways.

as to the rich getting richer…what do you expect with a massive stock run up than spans 12 years? how would you prevent the wealthy from benefiting from that? would you pass a law, that says “once your net worth exceeds this threshold, you must keep all your money in an account that pays 0% interest”?
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The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 09:26 AM
The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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scottw
01-23-2022, 09:35 AM
nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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cutting and pasting himself now....this is funny

Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 09:38 AM
Pete ( one day): the wealthy are largely democrat voters. that means the democrat party is right.

Pete ( another day): the wealthy are evil and corrupt and their increased wealth is ruining life. that means the democrat party is right.

no matter what happens, you’ll conclude the democrat party is right. Whether blue states thrive or fail, it means liberalism is better. Whether red states thrive or fail, it means liberalism is better. Whether liberal policies are shown to succeed or fail, liberalism
is better. Whether conservative policies thrive or fail, it means liberalism is better.

the state of CT applied some of the highest state taxes in the country, to some of the highest incomes in the country. That means we gave the state a ton of money. The liberals spent all that. Then the liberals took jillions of dollars from the casinos, and they spent all that. Then the liberals borrowed tens of thousands of dollars from every human being in the state, and they spent all that. What they created with all that spending, is a landscape so difficult to afford, that middle
class people are leaving.

the conclusion of all of you? red states did it. the people
running CT didn’t do anything stupid, short sighted, corrupt, or reckless. Nope. Poor red states did it all.

The solution? Elect more liberals to raise taxes and spend more.

Brilliant.

You are, literally, impervious to results.

I was a registered democrat. Then, i saw that pure liberalism doesn’t work. So i changed my mind.




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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 09:40 AM
nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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As I posted
There’s a lot of things driving the increase in crime and no it’s not just one.
As usual you push it to your normal narrative
Progressive bad
Regressive good
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 09:48 AM
As I posted
There’s a lot of things driving the increase in crime and no it’s not just one.
As usual you push it to your normal narrative
Progressive bad
Regressive good
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not asking about crime. i’m asking if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, that the uber wealthy are heavily democrat?

why are you so determined to avoid answering?

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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 09:50 AM
As I posted

As usual you push it to your normal narrative
Progressive bad
Regressive good
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I’ve said here a thousand times, that i think liberals are 100% correct on some big issues.

Again, why don’t you show us all that i’m the thoughtless zealot, and you are the one capable of critical
thinking, that you’re the one who can think for himself…

Tell us the big issues on which you think liberals are wrong, and conservatives are right. Go ahead.
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 09:56 AM
not asking about crime. i’m asking if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, that the uber wealthy are heavily democrat?

why are you so determined to avoid answering?

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First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.

I know that bothers your view of Donald Trump as the Almighty and Ron DeSantis as the prosperity-gospel pastor of Floriduh
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 09:57 AM
I’ve said here a thousand times, that i think liberals are 100% correct on some big issues.

Again, why don’t you show us all that i’m the thoughtless zealot, and you are the one capable of critical
thinking, that you’re the one who can think for himself…

Tell us the big issues on which you think liberals are wrong, and conservatives are right. Go ahead.
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Right after you get your badge
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 10:00 AM
First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.

I know that bothers your view of Donald Trump as the Almighty and Ron DeSantis as the prosperity-gospel pastor of Floriduh
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Jim: Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile.

Pete: Jim thinks Trump is the Almighty.

you can’t respond to what anyone actually says, Pete. Do you pretend we’re saying something we never came close to saying.

It’s boring and cowardly. And a constant liberal tactic.

The uber wealthy in this country, today, heavily vote democrat. I’m fine with that. You’re fine with it when it suits you, you deny it when it doesn’t suit yiu.
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PaulS
01-23-2022, 10:14 AM
ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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So why did crime start to go down across the whole US 4-5 years before Guiliani was elected Mayor of NY?

PaulS
01-23-2022, 10:15 AM
The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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No, It is bc Guiliani is no longer mayor of NYC>

detbuch
01-23-2022, 10:16 AM
First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.
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Are the blacks in the inner cities of "areas" that vote Democrat better educated and produce most of the gdp?

PaulS
01-23-2022, 10:17 AM
First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.

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Political affiliation of those R states matches up pretty good with the less educated and lower earnings/lesser GDP per capita.

Pete F.
01-23-2022, 10:23 AM
Jim: Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile.

Pete: Jim thinks Trump is the Almighty.

you can’t respond to what anyone actually says, Pete. Do you pretend we’re saying something we never came close to saying.

It’s boring and cowardly. And a constant liberal tactic.

The uber wealthy in this country, today, heavily vote democrat. I’m fine with that. You’re fine with it when it suits you, you deny it when it doesn’t suit yiu.
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You have repeatedly said that Trump was the only one that could do a number of things and complained that I refuse to shower him with praise and that he’s really not so bad, you’d work for him.
Nothing better than an authoritarian leader for you, and morals don’t matter.
Hypocrite much?

Just who are these “Uber” wealthy?
I’ve taken an Uber, does that make me one?

If you’re talking about the Billionaire class, you’re just plain lying.
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detbuch
01-23-2022, 10:34 AM
So why did crime start to go down across the whole US 4-5 years before Guiliani was elected Mayor of NY?
From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

Pete F.
01-23-2022, 10:36 AM
ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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I can see why you’re no longer teaching.
That’s the same mindset that says the National Guard qualified to teach.
Never had a teacher or coach who was strict or soft that was good at it.

And
Congratulations to Jimmy Garoppolo on replacing Dr Fauci as Aaron Rodgers’ least favorite Italian
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PaulS
01-23-2022, 11:02 AM
From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

Trend started before Giuliani

Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:03 AM
You have repeatedly said that Trump was the only one that could do a number of things and complained that I refuse to shower him with praise and that he’s really not so bad, you’d work for him.
Nothing better than an authoritarian leader for you, and morals don’t matter.
Hypocrite much?

Just who are these “Uber” wealthy?
I’ve taken an Uber, does that make me one?

If you’re talking about the Billionaire class, you’re just plain lying.
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trump is a horrible person. but he has some productive accomplishments.

two things can be true at the same
time.
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:04 AM
Trend started before Giuliani

ok. contrary to what most people
think, you’re right, Rudy didn’t do anything to reduce violent crime
i’m new york city. stop and frisk didn’t do anything, because he’s a republican.
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PaulS
01-23-2022, 11:11 AM
ok. contrary to what most people
think, you’re right, Rudy didn’t do anything to reduce violent crime
i’m new york city. stop and frisk didn’t do anything, because he’s a republican.
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Never said he didn't have any impact. The decr. was as a result of numerous things done in numerous places and took place all across the US.

Was the Fox article a follow up to one they did the year before discussing how the murder rate was the highest it has been in 20 years and increased 30% (which may have been one of the largest increases in our history)?

As an actuary would you only look at the smaller 2021 increase while ignoring the huge 30% increase in 2020?

Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:14 AM
Never said he didn't have any impact. The decr. was as a result of numerous things done in numerous places and took place all across the US.

Was the Fox article a follow up to one they did the year before discussing how the murder rate was the highest it has been in 20 years and increased 30% (which may have been one of the largest increases in our history)?

As an actuary would you only look at the smaller 2021 increase while ignoring the huge 30% increase in 2020?

no, i wouldn’t only look at one year. we started demonizing cops, and coddling criminals, before biden took office
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PaulS
01-23-2022, 11:26 AM
no, i wouldn’t only look at one year. we started demonizing cops, and coddling criminals, before biden took office
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I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:34 AM
I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

the whole
right is blaming the capital
police? that’s what you’re saying?

one bad cop, with a demonstrated history of being stupid with his gun, shot a tiny woman to death with no warning, and i don’t see an argument that she posed an immediate lethal threat to anyone. the cop who killed her, testified he couldn’t see her hands.
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:39 AM
I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

i don’t know if fox did. but i wouldn’t deny crime was on the rise before then. mostly for reasons that your side refuses to concede need addressing.

rising violent crime, one more headwind your side is facing. because your sides solutions ( fewer cops, fewer crimes being prosecuted, coddling criminals) don’t make sense to anyone to the right of Pete. and a huge swath of america is to the right of Pete.

That was a problem for democrats in VA and NJ. Potentially Looks like it’s going to be a similar problem for them everywhere later this year.

Bill Clinton tried lefty liberalism. He had the brains to see it didn’t work, and he tried ( thanks in part to Newt Gingrich) a different approach, and he helped usher in massive economic growth.

Liberals cannot react rationally to failure anymore. it’s always more of the same. They’re not capable of saying “well that didn’t work, let’s try something else.”


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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 11:39 AM
trump is a horrible person. but he has some productive accomplishments.

two things can be true at the same
time.
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You can use that logic to justify Genghis Khan or the Mafia also

Just who are the Uber wealthy?
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 11:41 AM
News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:43 AM
You can use that logic to justify Genghis Khan or the Mafia also

Just who are the Uber wealthy?
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true. but only a lunatic like you would think that trump
is in that category of bad.
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 11:46 AM
Just who are the Uber wealthy?
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according to you, anyone who’s ridden Uber.

Ha ha ha, my stomach hurts from
laughing.

you always divert when faced with a. superior argument, you do it multiple times a day Pete.

You complained about the wealthy, yet guy also bragged that they vote democrat.

you tried to have it both ways and got caught, and rather than simply admitting that, you tried getting cute.
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 11:53 AM
true. but only a lunatic like you would think that trump
is in that category of bad.
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Silly boy just keep believing, who do you think Donnie learned from?

“Why do you take notes? Lawyers don't take notes." McGahn had a wonderfully snappy comeback, saying that "real lawyers" take notes. Trump responded that he has "had a lot of great lawyers, like Roy Cohn," and "he did not take notes."
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 11:55 AM
according to you, anyone who’s ridden Uber.

Ha ha ha, my stomach hurts from
laughing.

you always divert when faced with a. superior argument, you do it multiple times a day Pete.

You complained about the wealthy, yet guy also bragged that they vote democrat.

you tried to have it both ways and got caught, and rather than simply admitting that, you tried getting cute.
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So who are the Uber wealthy?
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Jim in CT
01-23-2022, 12:21 PM
So who are the Uber wealthy?
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you know what it means, but my simpleton argument has reduced you to this. congrats.

it means very very wealthy.
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Pete F.
01-23-2022, 01:06 PM
you know what it means, but my simpleton argument has reduced you to this. congrats.

it means very very wealthy.
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Well Simpleton, you think that I claimed billionaires are Democrats
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detbuch
01-23-2022, 01:24 PM
Trend started before Giuliani

He took it to a significantly higher (2X) level. And NY became safer than other big cities compared to which it had previously been more dangerous.

The "trend" was not as significant in the nation, as it was in NY city.

wdmso
01-24-2022, 09:09 AM
fewer cops, fewer crimes being prosecuted, coddling criminals)


According to federal data, those worries are unfounded. Last year, as the overall U.S. economy shed 6% of workers, local police departments lost just under 1% of employees after a decade of steady expansion, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics

The nation's incarceration rate peaked at 1,000 inmates per 100,000 adults during the three-year period between 2006 and 2008. It has declined steadily since then and, at the end of 2019, was at the same level as in 1995 (810 inmates per 100,000 adults).Aug 16, 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org › amer...

Another conservative Lie all fear

PS criminals do not act based on a pros and con method of decision making , no matter how hard Republicans want Americans to think that’s how it works.

Feelings over facts the new Republican Party. Or a when faced with a. superior argument.. now we have delusions of grandeur classic
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wdmso
01-24-2022, 09:20 AM
nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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Again Jim do you do any research
Or is it all feelings with you

The politics of other billion-dollar families aren’t as well known. Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Not all families stay on the same side of the political spectrum — 15 support candidates from both parties

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/07/09/are-americas-richest-families-republicans-or-democrats/
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Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 10:38 AM
Again Jim do you do any research
Or is it all feelings with you

The politics of other billion-dollar families aren’t as well known. Of the 50 richest families, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Not all families stay on the same side of the political spectrum — 15 support candidates from both parties

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/07/09/are-americas-richest-families-republicans-or-democrats/
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Pete, not I, said the wealthy are donating to democrats.

But 50 families is nothing.

Pete was right.

https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2021/04/irs-data-shows-that-democrats-not-republicans-are-now-the-party-of-the-rich/

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wdmso
01-24-2022, 10:40 AM
Pete, not I, said the wealthy are donating to democrats.

But 50 families is nothing.

Pete was right.

https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2021/04/irs-data-shows-that-democrats-not-republicans-are-now-the-party-of-the-rich/

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And here I thought we were talking about the UBER rich ..

I Guess the WSJ has swung liberal :huh:

Pete F.
01-24-2022, 01:43 PM
Pete, not I, said the wealthy are donating to democrats.

But 50 families is nothing.

Pete was right.

https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2021/04/irs-data-shows-that-democrats-not-republicans-are-now-the-party-of-the-rich/

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Silly regressive, I said the population that voted democratic in the last election is better educated and contributed more to the GDP.

70% of the wealth in the US is owned by the top 1%

Sound sustainable to you?

Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 02:30 PM
Silly regressive, I said the population that voted democratic in the last election is better educated and contributed more to the GDP.

70% of the wealth in the US is owned by the top 1%

Sound sustainable to you?

you said that people
who run the economy, or drive gdp, or whatever, vote democrat.

the left is wealthier than. the right. i’m sorry if you don’t like that.

the wealthy getting wealthier isn’t “unsustainable”, except to morons like you who believe wealth is finite, who believes that they get wealthier by taking from us.

it’s not true. they create wealth. that’s why gdp increases.

liberals like to say wealth is finite. it’s stupid and a lie.

it does no one any harm if the wealthy get wealthier. in fact, it helps everyone else, because they pay some taxes, they spend some, they invest some, they give some
to charity. all of which lessens the burden on you,

make that wrong.

what “stress” does it put on anyone else, if oprah winfrey makes another million today? why does that make us less sustainable?

what planet do you live on?
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scottw
01-24-2022, 02:40 PM
better educated



these words say a lot about the people that use them to describe themselves and their friends, probably think of themselves as "elites" as well:hihi:

Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 02:43 PM
these words say a lot about the people that use them to describe themselves and their friends, probably think of themselves as "elites" as well:hihi:

that that kid “terrorized”. by being asked a question in the video you posted, he’s highly educated.

no shortage of morons in the lvy league.
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Pete F.
01-24-2022, 03:38 PM
you said that people
who run the economy, or drive gdp, or whatever, vote democrat.

the left is wealthier than. the right. i’m sorry if you don’t like that.

the wealthy getting wealthier isn’t “unsustainable”, except to morons like you who believe wealth is finite, who believes that they get wealthier by taking from us.

it’s not true. they create wealth. that’s why gdp increases.

liberals like to say wealth is finite. it’s stupid and a lie.

it does no one any harm if the wealthy get wealthier. in fact, it helps everyone else, because they pay some taxes, they spend some, they invest some, they give some
to charity. all of which lessens the burden on you,

make that wrong.

what “stress” does it put on anyone else, if oprah winfrey makes another million today? why does that make us less sustainable?

what planet do you live on?
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The one that looks at history.

If you think that capitalism works best with fewer and fewer people controlling more and more assets you have never understood Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Totalitarianism or basic history. Capitalism is a force for innovation and ingenuity. Not a force for owning competition.

Every innovation in human society that led to economic growth has led to a class that wants to stop having the rules of the game apply to it so as to preserve their wealth, when in fact, there is more wealth for them in the system being healthy and not skewed in their favor.

The point is that unregulated capitalism is inherently bad for society as a whole and yet capitalism when tempered with social justice and govt regulation is a powerful engine that has done more for the human condition than any form of economic system.

The innovation that company’s like microsoft, google and facebook have stymied by buying their competitors can’t be calculated.

Just keep believing what you’re fed.
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Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 03:57 PM
The one that looks at history.

If you think that capitalism works best with fewer and fewer people controlling more and more assets you have never understood Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Totalitarianism or basic history. Capitalism is a force for innovation and ingenuity. Not a force for owning competition.

Every innovation in human society that led to economic growth has led to a class that wants to stop having the rules of the game apply to it so as to preserve their wealth, when in fact, there is more wealth for them in the system being healthy and not skewed in their favor.

The point is that unregulated capitalism is inherently bad for society as a whole and yet capitalism when tempered with social justice and govt regulation is a powerful engine that has done more for the human condition than any form of economic system.

The innovation that company’s like microsoft, google and facebook have stymied by buying their competitors can’t be calculated.

Just keep believing what you’re fed.
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we have a constitution that other countries don’t have.

i would t say it’s fair that the wealthy get wealthier, but it’s nonsense to say it’s problematic.

pete, how would you stop it? would
yiu pass a law saying that once your net worth hits some limit, that you’re not allowed to invest anymore?

how would anyone be better off if the wealthy all put their money in their mattresses? how would that help anyone?

who said anything about “unregulated capitalism’? we have tons of regulations.
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Pete F.
01-24-2022, 04:33 PM
we have a constitution that other countries don’t have.

who said anything about “unregulated capitalism’? we have tons of regulations.
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We have broken up monopolies before, the world didn’t end nor the economy collapse and amazingly enough people still accumulated wealth.

After Israel capped bank executive pay at $1 million:
*Share prices still went up
*Exec turnover didn't go up
*Bank performance didn't get worse

It's almost like CEOs don't really need $30 million a year to care about their job

The only one that I know of that didn’t work that way was slavery.

In 1860 when it was legal to own Black people, Mississippi was the 5th wealthiest state. In 1865 it was the poorest. It still is.

Just who writes those regulations you claim control business?
You think the people you elected are doing that?
Or lobbyists paid by business?
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wdmso
01-24-2022, 05:00 PM
We have broken up monopolies before, the world didn’t end nor the economy collapse and amazingly enough people still accumulated wealth.

After Israel capped bank executive pay at $1 million:
*Share prices still went up
*Exec turnover didn't go up
*Bank performance didn't get worse

It's almost like CEOs don't really need $30 million a year to care about their job

The only one that I know of that didn’t work that way was slavery.

In 1860 when it was legal to own Black people, Mississippi was the 5th wealthiest state. In 1865 it was the poorest. It still is.

Just who writes those regulations you claim control business?
You think the people you elected are doing that?
Or lobbyists paid by business?
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You used Israel. In a sentence. Conservatives love everything Israeli

detbuch
01-24-2022, 05:34 PM
we have a constitution that other countries don’t have.

Because they are fundamentally authoritarian, Progressives do not want to be constrained, so they have been steadily dismantling the Constitution. Authoritarians like Pete find it useful to pretend their actions are constitutional simply by interpreting them to be so. They have been very successful at erasing a great deal of its restrictions on government power. They need a little more time in occupying the ruling seats of government to finish it off.

i would t say it’s fair that the wealthy get wealthier, but it’s nonsense to say it’s problematic.

pete, how would you stop it? would
yiu pass a law saying that once your net worth hits some limit, that you’re not allowed to invest anymore?

how would anyone be better off if the wealthy all put their money in their mattresses? how would that help anyone?


Excess wealth that is not put to use amounts to nothing. If wealth is property, maintaining it spreads wealth. Buying it spreads wealth. If wealth is goods, buying them spreads wealth. If what is meant by wealth is money, unused money is dead money. Bringing it to life by spending it spreads the wealth.


pete, how would you stop it? would
yiu pass a law saying that once your net worth hits some limit, that you’re not allowed to invest anymore?

Progressive authoritarians would simply confiscate the unneeded wealth from the wealthy, supposedly to redistribute it to those who need it--that is, they would more equitably bring the dead wealth to life. They would euphemize the procedure by calling it taxes. With the assumption that the wealth creators would continue creating wealth that they don't actually need, or is considered unseemly, so that it could be given to the people.

who said anything about “unregulated capitalism’? we have tons of regulations.
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Progressives believe that the only way society can "progress" is by government force. Regulations are only successful if there are enough of them. A society regulated only to the point in which things like the top 1% own 70% of the wealth is a society that, virtually, is not regulated.

The conundrum is that regulations have been the means given to the few to grow so wealthy. Authoritarians have not figured out a way to stop themselves from partaking in the wealth-fest.

Pete F.
01-24-2022, 06:23 PM
Progressives believe that the only way society can "progress" is by government force. Regulations are only successful if there are enough of them. A society regulated only to the point in which things like the top 1% own 70% of the wealth is a society that, virtually, is not regulated.

The conundrum is that regulations have been the means given to the few to grow so wealthy. Authoritarians have not figured out a way to stop themselves from partaking in the wealth-fest.

I would contend that a supposedly free society where 1% own 70% of the wealth is regulated by that 1% by controlling the forces that elect officials for their own benefit.
But you seem to claim that the rest of the world is stagnant and in all instances without growth, though why anyone would give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about growth if the benefits to them were de minimus is the cause of the “great resignation” in this country.
Notice that this has not occurred throughout the developed world.
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Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 07:20 PM
I would contend that a supposedly free society where 1% own 70% of the wealth is regulated by that 1% by controlling the forces that elect officials for their own benefit.
But you seem to claim that the rest of the world is stagnant and in all instances without growth, though why anyone would give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about growth if the benefits to them were de minimus is the cause of the “great resignation” in this country.
Notice that this has not occurred throughout the developed world.
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if the 1% took half if what they biden and burned it, they’d no longer own 70% of the total.

Who would be better off, komrade? you?

Why does it matter if bill gates creates more wealth for himself? why do you assume
that the less he has, the more someone else has?

it’s not a zero sum game.
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Pete F.
01-24-2022, 08:25 PM
if the 1% took half if what they biden and burned it, they’d no longer own 70% of the total.

Who would be better off, komrade? you?

Why does it matter if bill gates creates more wealth for himself? why do you assume
that the less he has, the more someone else has?

it’s not a zero sum game.
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Drunk?

Not for the 1%
The rest continually lose, the bleeding is only a slow drip.
Pretty easy to look at the change in the middle class in the last 50 years

But look at how cheap Walmart crap is, you should be thankful for what you have 🤡
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Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 08:33 PM
Drunk?

Not for the 1%
The rest continually lose, the bleeding is only a slow drip.
Pretty easy to look at the change in the middle class in the last 50 years

But look at how cheap Walmart crap is, you should be thankful for what you have 🤡
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walmart stuff is cheaply made. it’s also cheaply priced, and it’s what the american people
want. sure you never ever go to big box stores, you buy everything from mom and pops.

i don’t especially like walmart. but their prices save their customers,,- lot of money.

the middle class got pulverized because america gave our
manufacturing to china.
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Pete F.
01-24-2022, 08:52 PM
walmart stuff is cheaply made. it’s also cheaply priced, and it’s what the american people
want. sure you never ever go to big box stores, you buy everything from mom and pops.

i don’t especially like walmart. but their prices save their customers,,- lot of money.

the middle class got pulverized because america gave our
manufacturing to china.
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Just keep believing
Who lobbied for the politicians to do that?
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Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 08:55 PM
Just keep believing
Who lobbied for the politicians to do that?
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everybody other then american labor unions. it was a disaster.
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Pete F.
01-24-2022, 08:59 PM
Who paid the lobbyists who wrote the legislation?
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Jim in CT
01-24-2022, 09:00 PM
Who paid the lobbyists who wrote the legislation?
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beats me, i’d assume china.

when will you tell us what
law would have prevented that cop killing in NYC?
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Pete F.
01-24-2022, 09:11 PM
beats me, i’d assume china.

when will you tell us what
law would have prevented that cop killing in NYC?
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You’re getting your victimization threads mixed up
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detbuch
01-24-2022, 10:32 PM
I would contend that a supposedly free society

"supposedly" is a good qualifier. Our society has progressively become less free, especially under the guidance of Progressive policies. Government has constantly become larger and stronger while the individual has become weaker and less relevant.

where 1% own 70% of the wealth

You keep repeating that meme "wealth." What specific "wealth" does this un-specifically named and somewhat phantom 1% own?

is regulated by that 1% by controlling the forces that elect officials for their own benefit.

What specifically are these "forces" that elect officials?
And if these "forces" control the election of officials, and the 1% regulate the "forces," then the 1% regulated the election of Biden and defeat of Trump. But you praise Biden, and want to destroy Trump. If Trump is the enemy of the "forces" regulated by the evil 1%, and Biden is their friend, it would seem that you should reverse your loyalty.

But you seem to claim that the rest of the world is stagnant and in all instances without growth, though why anyone would give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about growth if the benefits to them were de minimus is the cause of the “great resignation” in this country.
Notice that this has not occurred throughout the developed world.
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I "seem" to claim something in your head. I don't claim this stagnancy to which you refer. On the contrary, I see a lot of turmoil in the rest of the world, including within those with varying degrees of development. I see a lot of the same types of complaints, including resistance to lockdowns, inability to stem the spread of Covid, loss of freedoms and growth of government, inflation, dissatisfaction with immigration policies, etc.