The gun did it, you see. “A shot from an illegal gun” took the life of the heroic cop, not a human scumbag.

I tend to think liberals have some good points on gun control, but it’s stances like this that make we want to send money to the NRA.

a gun, is an inanimate object. It may be an “attractive nuisance” to a child, but an adult has free will and control over their actions.

So so stupid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-gov-illegal-gun-killing-nypd-officers

it's what they do...SUV's kill a lot of people to...they should all be arrested...


Community stunned after SUV plows into Christmas parade killing 5

5 dead and 40 injured after SUV tore through Waukesha Parade ...

Daily Mail "Washington Post is blasted for claiming that Waukesha tragedy that killed six ‘was caused by an SUV’ - rather than suspect with long criminal history
Washington Post was slammed over language used in a recent article and since-deleted tweet about the Waukesha, Wisconsin massacre
The newspaper placed responsibility on the SUV Darrell Brooks drove during the attack, instead of the career criminal himself"

it's what they do...SUV's kill a lot of people to...they should all be arrested...


Community stunned after SUV plows into Christmas parade killing 5

5 dead and 40 injured after SUV tore through Waukesha Parade ...

Daily Mail "Washington Post is blasted for claiming that Waukesha tragedy that killed six ‘was caused by an SUV’ - rather than suspect with long criminal history
Washington Post was slammed over language used in a recent article and since-deleted tweet about the Waukesha, Wisconsin massacre
The newspaper placed responsibility on the SUV Darrell Brooks drove during the attack, instead of the career criminal himself"

the Waukesha spin that it was the truck, was really something. Christine came back to life as an SUV this time.
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If it seats more than 8, is it then classified as an Assault SUV?
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The gun did it, you see. “A shot from an illegal gun” took the life of the heroic cop, not a human scumbag.

I tend to think liberals have some good points on gun control, but it’s stances like this that make we want to send money to the NRA.

a gun, is an inanimate object. It may be an “attractive nuisance” to a child, but an adult has free will and control over their actions.

So so stupid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-gov-illegal-gun-killing-nypd-officers

All guns were was bought legally

What’s so stupid is just calling a gun gun an inanimate object

Typical simpletons view of gun violence in America
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You know, if you're going to call someone a simpleton, you may want to do it using proper English and Grammar. :rolleyes:
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You know, if you're going to call someone a simpleton, you may want to do it using proper English and Grammar. :rolleyes:
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Oh no, Scott's not going to like you ranging into his purview, only one grammar policeman allowed.

Oh no, Scott's not going to like you ranging into his purview, only one grammar policeman allowed.

I'm pretty sure he'll be fine with it.
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I'm pretty sure he'll be fine with it.
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Ok, your #2 you will have to try harder, add some snarky to your replies its what got Scott to #1.

Ok, your #2 you will have to try harder, add some snarky to your replies its what got Scott to #1.

I'll take that under advisement
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All guns were was bought legally

What’s so stupid is just calling a gun gun an inanimate object

Typical simpletons view of gun violence in America
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i said i agree we need to talk about gun control. but your side does everything they can to avoid blaming people
who do these things, because that doesn’t help them grab more power.
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the governor of NY blamed
an inanimate object. and I’m the simpleton.
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Some of you boys have a hair trigger this morning....

IMO... Some of the verbiage used was to communicate the greatest information to describe what happened within the limits of a headline.

So, use of "illegal gun" is used to convey a firearm was used, and the reader can deduce that the gunman was not on any upstanding citizen's list and in fact was a scumbag law breaker.

And "SUV' was used to describe the weapon/vehicle being commandeered to cause such an awful amount of damage to innocents. If it had been an elderly driver suffering a medical emergency, it would have been written differently.

Not as much thought went into those headlines from a political point of view as you are wanting to think. The primary goal of the headline is to sell copy.

Some of you boys have a hair trigger this morning....

IMO... Some of the verbiage used was to communicate the greatest information to describe what happened within the limits of a headline.

So, use of "illegal gun" is used to convey a firearm was used, and the reader can deduce that the gunman was not on any upstanding citizen's list and in fact was a scumbag law breaker.

And "SUV' was used to describe the weapon/vehicle being commandeered to cause such an awful amount of damage to innocents. If it had been an elderly driver suffering a medical emergency, it would have been written differently.

Not as much thought went into those headlines from a political point of view as you are wanting to think. The primary goal of the headline is to sell copy.

Ross, why do you bother?

Some of you boys have a hair trigger this morning....

IMO... Some of the verbiage used was to communicate the greatest information to describe what happened within the limits of a headline.

So, use of "illegal gun" is used to convey a firearm was used, and the reader can deduce that the gunman was not on any upstanding citizen's list and in fact was a scumbag law breaker.

And "SUV' was used to describe the weapon/vehicle being commandeered to cause such an awful amount of damage to innocents. If it had been an elderly driver suffering a medical emergency, it would have been written differently.

Not as much thought went into those headlines from a political point of view as you are wanting to think. The primary goal of the headline is to sell copy.

That's because you're smart enough to make that connection and to know that it is about selling clicks. Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots free ranging out there right now, that read a headline and that's it. They don't bother to read and digest an article, they take what's written verbatim and run with it.

Right now there are millions out there who make a decision on an issue by what comes across their newsfeed or Twitter.
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You know, if you're going to call someone a simpleton, you may want to do it using proper English and Grammar. :rolleyes:
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The spelling police getting their rocks off again
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Ross, why do you bother?

I have hope that by continuing to connect the dots for some folks, that they too will be able to gain some semblance of common sense, which now seems to be an acquired skill..... I have hope in the human race to do good and give their best efforts...

I have hope that by continuing to connect the dots for some folks, that they too will be able to gain some semblance of common sense, which now seems to be an acquired skill..... I have hope in the human race to do good and give their best efforts...

but it wasn’t just the headline…

if you read the article, the governor wants to use this death to start having a conversation about guns. not about how to get scumbags in prison before they do these things, not about how we raise more citizens who are decent people…never about those things, always about guns.

look, i’m pretty liberal when it comes to guns. but i dare you to come up with a hypothetical law that would have prevented this. you can’t.

there’s a huge supply of black market guns out there. there’s no conceivable law that will prevent bad people from getting them and using them.

if you started a new country today that had zero guns, you could do it. you could pass laws that would
prevent gun crime. but sadly, that’s not the reality in the US.

liberals do anything to avoid discussing the real causes of this. because the true causes, don’t help democrats win elections.
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The spelling police getting their rocks off again
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Yes, that's exactly it :rolleyes:

It had nothing to do with you writing gibberish then calling somebody stupid in the same post.
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Yes, that's exactly it :rolleyes:

It had nothing to do with you writing gibberish then calling somebody stupid in the same post.
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Being able to spell doesn’t equal intelligence your post proves that



So having a simpletons view of gun violence is calling someone stupid ?
Or calling their statement Stupid translate to also calling them stupid

Conservatives logic never fails to impress :jester:

Being able to spell doesn’t equal intelligence your post proves that



So having a simpletons view of gun violence is calling someone stupid ?
Or calling their statement Stupid translate to also calling them stupid

Conservatives logic never fails to impress :jester:

you have no idea what my view is, obviously. all i said, is that the gun didn’t do it.

same question to you. please share with us a hypothetical
law, which in this country at this time, would (1) be somewhat constitutional, and (2) would have prevented this crime.

you can’t do it. nobody can do it.

there are some gun crimes ( like Sandy Hook and the Vegas massacre) which might well have been avoided//mitigated with additional gun laws.

this crime? uh-uh.
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Being able to spell doesn’t equal intelligence your post proves that



So having a simpletons view of gun violence is calling someone stupid ?
Or calling their statement Stupid translate to also calling them stupid

Conservatives logic never fails to impress :jester:

You still don’t get it (surprise), do you?

If you’re going to insult someone’s intelligence, it’s best to do it, you know, intelligently. Not express yourself like a five year old with a new box of crayolas. :rolleyes:
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If it seats more than 8, is it then classified as an Assault SUV?
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8 seats is the vehicular equivalent of a high capacity magazine or
bump stock.
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Being able to spell doesn’t equal intelligence



being unable to spell indicates a serious lack of intelligence, especially with the invention of spell check.....it's not that hard, like voting

but it wasn’t just the headline…

if you read the article, the governor wants to use this death to start having a conversation about guns. not about how to get scumbags in prison before they do these things, not about how we raise more citizens who are decent people…never about those things, always about guns.

look, i’m pretty liberal when it comes to guns. but i dare you to come up with a hypothetical law that would have prevented this. you can’t.

there’s a huge supply of black market guns out there. there’s no conceivable law that will prevent bad people from getting them and using them.

if you started a new country today that had zero guns, you could do it. you could pass laws that would
prevent gun crime. but sadly, that’s not the reality in the US.

liberals do anything to avoid discussing the real causes of this. because the true causes, don’t help democrats win elections.
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Jim, posts like this, with their direct contradictions and double talk are why some might not want to engage in a forum like this...Some just don't have a point or make sense.:faga:

Jim, posts like this, with their direct contradictions and double talk are why some might not want to engage in a forum like this...Some just don't have a point or make sense.:faga:

what contradiction?

i tend to agree with liberals a bit on gun control.

but liberals tend to act very, very stupidly in response to these events

This may be a shock to you. but two things can be true at the same time. it’s not necessarily contradiction. i’d like to see some further gun control, and i’d like
liberals to stop acting like morons when they blame an inanimate object.

in out country today, almost everyone is blindly loyal
to one side or the other on every single ssue i think both sides have some good ideas, i think both sides act like morons in some cases. that’s not a contradiction.

maybe i explained it poorly. maybe you missed it.
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Hey Jim, I heard Mars has relented and will now add a Tucker Carlson M&M. They’re all-white, extra bitter, and will meltdown when mixed with multi-colored M&Ms.
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Hey Jim, I heard Mars has relented and will now add a Tucker Carlson M&M. They’re all-white, extra bitter, and will meltdown when mixed with multi-colored M&Ms.
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Isn't Mars one of those dreaded corporations that regulate the forces that control our elections?

Isn't Mars one of those dreaded corporations that regulate the forces that control our elections?

Actually also child slavery, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Amirite?
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Jim, posts like this, with their direct contradictions and double talk are why some might not want to engage in a forum like this...Some just don't have a point or make sense.:faga:


no one is forcing anybody:rollem:...

trying to get through an average wayne or pete post and make some sense of what they are rambling about is pretty tough too..but we do it because we love them...

Can ANY of the left-leaning folks here, share a theoretical gun law, which would likely have prevented this cop killing?

You can't do it.

What I don't get, is why you can't then say "you're right, there's no reason to believe an additional gun law would have prevented this."

Again, I believe some additional gun laws could save lives (I wouldn't mind seeing bump stocks banned, and I don't have a huge problem with so-called red flag laws, where maybe guns are banned in homes where there's a serious known problem, which was the case with the Sandy Hook shooter, everybody in that town knew that kid was horribly broken)

But the garden variety gang-type shooting...I don't think additional gun laws are likely to stop those.

But you guys cannot ever stray from pure liberalism.

The U.S. Justice Department banned bump stocks at the federal level in December 2018, effective March 26, 2019.

I can go out to my garage and create a functional bump stock out of wood in about 30 minutes, I agree that there is no need for them in society, but banning them won't stop someone from using them.

Unfortunately on Red Flag laws, who decides what a Red Flag is? That is the inherent problem with them. You can't really just disarm a whole household, just because somebody seeks help for depression.
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The U.S. Justice Department banned bump stocks at the federal level in December 2018, effective March 26, 2019.

was that because of the vegas shooting?

shows what i know, had no idea they were banned.
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I can go out to my garage and create a functional bump stock out of wood in about 30 minutes, I agree that there is no need for them in society, but banning them won't stop someone from using them.

Unfortunately on Red Flag laws, who decides what a Red Flag is? That is the inherent problem with them. You can't really just disarm a whole household, just because somebody seeks help for depression.
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i don’t doubt you can build
one! but many people can’t do it themselves. so the ban won’t eliminate the threat, but it might reduce the threat. Of course it doesn’t address the ones that are already out there.

and of course you’re 100% correct on red flag laws, ripe for all kinds of abuse. i just don’t like the idea of doing nothing in response to burying an entire classroom of first graders. we ought to be able to respond by making SOME improvement somewhere, but i’m not claiming i know what that is.

i fully admit to having a blind spot on this issue. it’s heartbreaking. i had a golden retriever who was a certified pet therapy dog, we spent a few days in Sandy Hook after. It wasn’t the kind thing you forget.
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i don’t doubt you can build
one! but many people can’t do it themselves. so the ban won’t eliminate the threat, but it might reduce the threat. Of course it doesn’t address the ones that are already out there.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ0jTMLK9jI
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ0jTMLK9jI
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Shhh. We don't want Pete seeing that easy trick.

I know there are these kinds of hacks that can be pulled off. Again, I'd just feel better if we could point to something, and say "there was a tragedy, and at least we learned something and took precautions to make it less likely the next tragedy will occur".

Maybe the best we can do is fine tune mental health laws. I have no idea. I know you already know what I mean....

Silly, those things are for people that never learned to shoot.
They are money machines for ammo producers, though right now it doesn’t make any difference because production is maxed out
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Imagine that being charged for selling an inanimate object


Henry "Michael" Williams, 32, was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm after authorities say he sold the weapon that Malik Faisal Akram used when he entered Congregation Beth Israel

Akram paid $150 for the gun, according to charging documents. The documents state Williams was convicted in 2005 of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and attempted possession of a controlled substance in 2013.

But guess what he might have been legal in Texas


State and federal law differ when it comes to felons and possession of a firearm. Federal law does not allow a felon to possess a firearm. However, gun laws for felons in Texas are a bit different. In Texas, a felon can possess a firearm at his or her residence but only once five years have passed since the disposition of his or her conviction.

its an access problem! :kewl:

Imagine that being charged for selling an inanimate object


Henry "Michael" Williams, 32, was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm after authorities say he sold the weapon that Malik Faisal Akram used when he entered Congregation Beth Israel

Akram paid $150 for the gun, according to charging documents. The documents state Williams was convicted in 2005 of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and attempted possession of a controlled substance in 2013.

But guess what he might have been legal in Texas


State and federal law differ when it comes to felons and possession of a firearm. Federal law does not allow a felon to possess a firearm. However, gun laws for felons in Texas are a bit different. In Texas, a felon can possess a firearm at his or her residence but only once five years have passed since the disposition of his or her conviction.

its an access problem! :kewl:

I agree it's an access problem. There are untold millions of guns out there. No law is going to stop a determined criminal from getting one of them.

Chicago has very strict gun control laws. Are they helping reduce violent crime?

It's also (and more so) a cultural problem. Our culture is producing waaay too many people who aren't bothered by hurting others. Liberals hate, hate, hate discussing that side of it, because it's a huge political loser for them,. because liberalism causes it.

I agree it's an access problem. There are untold millions of guns out there. No law is going to stop a determined criminal from getting one of them.

Chicago has very strict gun control laws. Are they helping reduce violent crime?

It's also (and more so) a cultural problem. Our culture is producing waaay too many people who aren't bothered by hurting others. Liberals hate, hate, hate discussing that side of it, because it's a huge political loser for them,. because liberalism causes it.

Gun control it about limiting access but the right only speaks in terms of BANNING weapons

Overall since 2006, firearm homicides in the U.S. have decreased, but the number of firearm suicides has increased by a similar amount.4

Even when firearm homicide rates were at their highest in the mid-1990s (just above 7/100,000 population), they were not higher than those for firearm suicide.


See Jim Guns like immigration ebb and flow thu R and D administrations

But theres one constant just like in Immigration the Rights AKA GOP unwillingness to address these issues . its all about the Vote its not about responsible approaches . for them they take the path of least resistance.. they just say No. and they blame away they blame the criminal they blame the immigrant and every election cycle its the wash rinse and repeat

The GOP and 2a people cant even accept background checks ! But they support no license no Gun registration open Carry ( the good guy with a gun argument ) all while yelling Freedom..

You can have as many guns as you want . but you should be licensed and those weapons should be registered to the owner. for accountability.. not the their fantasy of gun confiscation

Gun control it about limiting access but the right only speaks in terms of BANNING weapons

Overall since 2006, firearm homicides in the U.S. have decreased, but the number of firearm suicides has increased by a similar amount.4

Even when firearm homicide rates were at their highest in the mid-1990s (just above 7/100,000 population), they were not higher than those for firearm suicide.


See Jim Guns like immigration ebb and flow thu R and D administrations

But theres one constant just like in Immigration the Rights AKA GOP unwillingness to address these issues . its all about the Vote its not about responsible approaches . for them they take the path of least resistance.. they just say No. and they blame away they blame the criminal they blame the immigrant and every election cycle its the wash rinse and repeat

The GOP and 2a people cant even accept background checks ! But they support no license no Gun registration open Carry ( the good guy with a gun argument ) all while yelling Freedom..

You can have as many guns as you want . but you should be licensed and those weapons should be registered to the owner. for accountability.. not the their fantasy of gun confiscation

you’re right, the gop only cares about votes, and democrats only care about solving problems, even if it means losing the next election. democrats would rather solve problems effectively, then win elections.

It’s so obvious. thanks for saying it.

When Biden told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains”, you’re saying that wasn’t done to get votes, but was an attempt to solve an important problem.

which problem did that attempt to solve?

when democrats say everyone who disagrees with them is racist, that’s not an attempt to get votes?
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only leftists care about people.....

you’re right, the gop only cares about votes, and democrats only care about solving problems, even if it means losing the next election. democrats would rather solve problems effectively, then win elections.

It’s so obvious. thanks for saying it.

When Biden told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains”, you’re saying that wasn’t done to get votes, but was an attempt to solve an important problem.

which problem did that attempt to solve?

when democrats say everyone who disagrees with them is racist, that’s not an attempt to get votes?
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Biden told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains


Buy a new Drum
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Biden told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains


Buy a new Drum
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why did he say it? was he trying to solve a problem? or was he playing politics? you said republicans pander for votes, and democrats solve problems.

fine. tell me why biden said that.

when you can’t answer the question, that means you lose.

a senior obama
advisor cannes senator sinema a c*nt.

politics, or problem solving?
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why did he say it? was he trying to solve a problem? or was he playing politics? you said republicans pander for votes, and democrats solve problems.

fine. tell me why biden said that.

when you can’t answer the question, that means you lose.

a senior obama
advisor cannes senator sinema a c*nt.

politics, or problem solving?
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Jim your a good sheep keep up the work


Republicans seek to portray Biden's Supreme Court pick as 'radical liberal', although he has yet to chose anyone


Republican Sen. Rick Scott of Florida , predicting that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer would whip Democrats to back a "radical liberal with extremist views."

Jim your a good sheep keep up the work


Republicans seek to portray Biden's Supreme Court pick as 'radical liberal', although he has yet to chose anyone


Republican Sen. Rick Scott of Florida , predicting that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer would whip Democrats to back a "radical liberal with extremist views."

i’m going to try and
meet you halfway here…

Biden’s nominee is going to get confirmed, the gop
should do what they did with Kagan and Sotomator, just vote for her. That’s how conforming supreme court justices used to be

now, for the third time, why did biden say that republicans want to put blacks in chains? Since you said democrats don’t pander for votes because they’re too busy solving actual problems, please tell us what problem he was trying to solve with that remark.

Third time i asked.
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Republicans seek to portray Biden's Supreme Court pick as 'radical liberal', although he has yet to chose anyone


Republican Sen. Rick Scott of Florida , predicting that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer would whip Democrats to back a "radical liberal with extremist views."

it's a "prediction"...probably a good one