I thought DeBarr gave us all the evidence we needed to dismiss this peaceful protest as anything BUT a coup. A federal judge seems to disagree and two of the conspirators have been referred to the DOJ, I hope the AG actually does something for a change.

“The illegality of the plan was obvious,” wrote Judge David O. Carter of the Central District of California. “Our nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power, epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to make way for democratic elections. Ignoring this history, President Trump vigorously campaigned for the vice president to single-handedly determine the results of the 2020 election.” “a coup in search of a legal theory.”

Carry on.

I thought DeBarr gave us all the evidence we needed to dismiss this peaceful protest as anything BUT a coup. A federal judge seems to disagree and two of the conspirators have been referred to the DOJ, I hope the AG actually does something for a change.

“The illegality of the plan was obvious,” wrote Judge David O. Carter of the Central District of California. “Our nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power, epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to make way for democratic elections. Ignoring this history, President Trump vigorously campaigned for the vice president to single-handedly determine the results of the 2020 election.” “a coup in search of a legal theory.”

Carry on.

what are the details of the plan? who was involved?

i don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police. and after the 2016 election, some congressional democrats am challenged the legitimacy of election results in some states with no evidence ( as always. it’s ok when they do it). but it was never going to happen. it could not happen.
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It seems to most Trump supporters a coup is only a coup if it succeeds…. Anything before such as the planning coordination between people in the executive branch legislative branch and now seems the judiciary. And media talking heads. And laying the ground work for a stolen election Mantra since 2016 which Trump couldn’t use because he actually won legitimately. .. all that doesn’t matter !

because a very large group think he still won and it was stolen , and these are primary voters who could make him the nomination again ..

And who would want a lame duck POTUS a his Cult because they expect him and Congress to change Twenty-Second Amendment which where the 2 term provision for President come from.

And recent history clearly shows what Republicans will do to stay in power
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i don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election

Wow I can’t believe you actually said such a thing ?

Even with all the information provided and recorded and text messages..

Let me guess because they tried to use or claim some twisted legal arguments this makes the process legitimate political discourse?

That’s like saying a rapist isn’t a rapist because he only got to 2nd base ! Because she woke up

And ignore the part where he roofied her ..
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It seems to most Trump supporters a coup is only a coup if it succeeds…. Anything before such as the planning coordination between people in the executive branch legislative branch and now seems the judiciary. And media talking heads. And laying the ground work for a stolen election Mantra since 2016 which Trump couldn’t use because he actually won legitimately. .. all that doesn’t matter !

because a very large group think he still won and it was stolen , and these are primary voters who could make him the nomination again ..

And who would want a lame duck POTUS a his Cult because they expect him and Congress to change Twenty-Second Amendment which where the 2 term provision for President come from.

And recent history clearly shows what Republicans will do to stay in power
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"It seems to most Trump supporters a coup is only a coup if it succeeds"

No, but it does seem that none of you can respond to what people actually say, so you respond to what you wish we said.

It had no chance of ever succeeding, because it wasn't a serious challenge to the election.

If my 10 year-old says "I'm going to hold my breath until they give the win to Trump", is that a coup? Or is that just someone acting irrationally?

What do you call it when after the 2016 election, SOME (not all) congressional democrats challenged the legitimacy of the Trump win in several states, when they had zero evidence that anything funny happened? Why wasn't that a coup?

If Trump and a small handful of the January 6 rioters were involved in a premeditated plot, show me the evidence and punish them accordingly. Please tell me what's wrong with that reaction?

How many democrats referred to Trump for his whole 4 years as an "illegitimate president"? Did you ever once say that was inappropriate?

Everything the left does is OK, everything the right does is wrong, we get it!

WDMSO, after the 2016 election, a tiny number of congressional democrats didn't like that their side lost, so they tried to overturn the election results with phony claims that the election was stolen in some states.

Now, some on the right did the same exact thing after the 2020 election, and you've spent a lot of energy criticizing them, and I agree with you 100%, what they did was completely wrong.

But we all know you never said a word to criticize the democrats who did the same thing in 2016. Why? Please explain the obvious double standard. Why do democrats always get a pass from you, for doing the same thing that you attack Republicans for doing? In 2016, even Joe Biden (to his credit) told those democrats to knock it off, because the election was over.

You proved my point ! Thank you

So because you claim “It had no chance of ever succeeding, because it wasn't a serious challenge to the election. “.


It not a coup attempt and no big deal. ! Not sure how to read what you wrote another way

Everything the left does is OK, everything the right does is wrong, we get it!

Clearly you don’t get it …. There’s only 1 party willing to steal overturn an election ..who’s supporters stand by their attempts

Your love for false equivalence’s has no equal

US election 2016: Trump says election 'rigged at polling places'

Yet he won



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For those with historical amnesia Who still support a man who clearly has showed his intent . To lie then and again in 2020 but this time from the inside


All these statements were from Trump prior to the 2016 election

Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail,” Trump tweeted Saturday. “Instead she is running for president in what looks like a rigged election.” If there were any question that he might be using the term “rigged” metaphorically, he cleared it up: “The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary — but also at many polling places — SAD.”

You proved my point ! Thank you

So because you claim “It had no chance of ever succeeding, because it wasn't a serious challenge to the election. “.


It not a coup attempt and no big deal. ! Not sure how to read what you wrote another way

Everything the left does is OK, everything the right does is wrong, we get it!

Clearly you don’t get it …. There’s only 1 party willing to steal overturn an election ..who’s supporters stand by their attempts

Your love for false equivalence’s has no equal

US election 2016: Trump says election 'rigged at polling places'

Yet he won



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Here are my exact words from my previous post...

"If Trump and a small handful of the January 6 rioters were involved in a premeditated plot, show me the evidence and punish them accordingly."

SOMEHOW, from that, you claim that I said "It not a coup attempt and no big deal."

"Not sure how to read what you wrote another way "

You could start by taking an elementary school course in reading comprehension. Ask any average 5 year-old how to read what I wrote, and they'll tell you how to correctly interpret it.

You cannot accurately process anything which deviates from your militant liberalism.

I asked you why you had no concerns about congressional democrats claiming in 2016 that Trump stole the election from Hilary. All you can do is yammer about a "false equivalency", and of course you provide exactly zero evidence as to why the two situations aren't comparable.

In 2016, a very small number of congressional democrats hated the election outcome so much, that they tried to overturn it, based on fabricated claims of election fraud. That doesn't sound an awful lot like what you attack Republicans for doing?

Every single comparison which paints democrats in a negative light, you’ve said was a false equivalency. not one time, not once, could you admit that the left did anything wrong.

do you have any idea how completely predictable you are?

Donald Trump’s phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when the building was being violently assaulted, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

Are absent


Convenient?
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Here are my exact words from my previous post...

"If Trump and a small handful of the January 6 rioters were involved in a premeditated plot, show me the evidence and punish them accordingly."

SOMEHOW, from that, you claim that I said "It not a coup attempt and no big deal."

"Not sure how to read what you wrote another way "

You could start by taking an elementary school course in reading comprehension. Ask any average 5 year-old how to read what I wrote, and they'll tell you how to correctly interpret it.

You cannot accurately process anything which deviates from your militant liberalism.

I asked you why you had no concerns about congressional democrats claiming in 2016 that Trump stole the election from Hilary. All you can do is yammer about a "false equivalency", and of course you provide exactly zero evidence as to why the two situations aren't comparable.

In 2016, a very small number of congressional democrats hated the election outcome so much, that they tried to overturn it, based on fabricated claims of election fraud. That doesn't sound an awful lot like what you attack Republicans for doing?

Every single comparison which paints democrats in a negative light, you’ve said was a false equivalency. not one time, not once, could you admit that the left did anything wrong.

do you have any idea how completely predictable you are?


asked you why you had no concerns about congressional democrats

Like I said false equivalences

But please keep beating that drum
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A small number of people

18 minutes versus 7 hours!

We know the people who received calls or talked to Trump during the gap: Mike Lee, Jim Jordan, Mike Pence, etc. Get their records, identify the incoming number, and then you’ve got the phone(s) Trump was using.
They (esp lawmakers and Pence) will kick and scream but there’s no leg to stand on, legally, to block subpoenas for records so clearly related to the investigation and which were deliberately being obscured by WH and Trump. U.S. v. Nixon would be exactly on point.

Media should be all over GOPLeader McCarthy today demanding he tell whose number he called when he talked to Trump and how he knew to call that number
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asked you why you had no concerns about congressional democrats

Like I said false equivalences

But please keep beating that drum
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It's not a false equivalence just because you declare it to be a false equivalence. Why is it a false equivalence, and not a valid equivalence?

At the time, back in 2016, Joe Biden told the congressional democrats that what they were doing, was wrong. He told them to stop it, that the election was over. He can say it. But you can't.

So you're saying Biden was wrong, when he chastised congressional democrats for doing what they were doing? Either the congressional democrats were wrong to do what they did, or Biden was wrong for telling them to stop. They can't both be right. So who are you saying was wrong?

Have fun with that one.

It's wrong in your mind, for republicans to make false claims of election cheating in an attempt to overturn an election they lost. But it's OK with you, when democrats make false claims of election cheating in an attempt to overturn an election they lost.

Media should be all over GOPLeader McCarthy today demanding he tell whose number he called when he talked to Trump and how he knew to call that number
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It's suspicious to you that a senior republican in the house, would be able to speak with a Republican president?

I thought DeBarr gave us all the evidence we needed to dismiss this peaceful protest as anything BUT a coup. A federal judge seems to disagree and two of the conspirators have been referred to the DOJ, I hope the AG actually does something for a change.

“The illegality of the plan was obvious,” wrote Judge David O. Carter of the Central District of California. “Our nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power, epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to make way for democratic elections. Ignoring this history, President Trump vigorously campaigned for the vice president to single-handedly determine the results of the 2020 election.” “a coup in search of a legal theory.”

Carry on.

There may have been a few there who stupidly thought they could pull off a "coup." Bad apples usually show up when there's going to be a huge crowd. That is not a reason to demonize the vast, vast majority of peaceful protesters with a pejorative label that is assigned to the few idiots.

The "protest" (rally) was attended by several thousand people. "Rally organizers told the National Park Service that they anticipated 30,000 people would attend. Law enforcement said the crowd size ahead of the protest was possibly as much as 80,000, according to then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. The crowd size at the rally was at least 10,000, according to the Associated Press."

Are you accusing those several thousands of peaceful "protesters" of trying to stage a "coup"?

There may have been a few there who stupidly thought they could pull off a "coup." Bad apples usually show up when there's going to be a huge crowd. That is not a reason to demonize the vast, vast majority of peaceful protesters with a pejorative label that is assigned to the few idiots.

The "protest" (rally) was attended by several thousand people. "Rally organizers told the National Park Service that they anticipated 30,000 people would attend. Law enforcement said the crowd size ahead of the protest was possibly as much as 80,000, according to then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. The crowd size at the rally was at least 10,000, according to the Associated Press."

Are you accusing those several thousands of peaceful "protesters" of trying to stage a "coup"?

You aren’t following along, Trump and likely a few high ranking GOP members, his advisers and attorneys were attempting just that and I have no doubt the leaders of several groups and their soldiers attending were doing their part to help that cause. Do I think everyone attending was involved, certainly not, but a small percentage were and if all the phone records and timeline were public it would be crystal clear who was part of the big Green Bay sweep.

It's suspicious to you that a senior republican in the house, would be able to speak with a Republican president?

With a burner phone???????????

You aren’t following along, Trump and likely a few high ranking GOP members, his advisers and attorneys were attempting just that and I have no doubt the leaders of several groups and their soldiers attending were doing their part to help that cause. Do I think everyone attending was involved, certainly not, but a small percentage were and if all the phone records and timeline were public it would be crystal clear who was part of the big Green Bay sweep.

If I remember correctly, DeBarr objected to calling the Jan6 rally an "insurrection." If I remember correctly, there were a variety of types who attended the rally. A few were bent toward violence. Some of those few actually thought they could change the results of the election. If I remember correctly, the variety of types did not act in concert. They did not all get together before hand in order to coordinate an "insurrection." Many of them are now being prosecuted for things other than "insurrection, for some sort of trespassing, assault, property damage, etc. There is one now, If I remember correctly, who is being charged with some variety of insurrection.

So far, there is no evidence, if I remember correctly, that those protesters who have been arrested had any ties to some alleged Trump conspiracy. And the numbers of "protesters" who were peaceful hugely, vastly, greatly, immensely, outnumber those who were not peaceful. So it was, indeed, if I remember correctly, as DeBarr said, a mostly peaceful protest. Calling the rally an insurgency or a coup is ridiculous.

If the judge who said that it is more likely than not that there was some sort of illegal "coup" plotted by Trump, that is a different story, and yet to be proven. If I remember correctly, the plot that was cooked up was alleged by the cookers to be constitutional. If so, then any "coup" that would result would not be illegal. And if the intent was to stay within the bounds of constitutionality, and the plot was not actually carried out, then it was a mistake that didn't happen.

Of course, with the right DOJ and jury, it can be made out to be what ever the prosecution desires.

"I have never obstructed justice...I am not a crook."
-- Richard M. Nixon, Nov. 17, 1973

"I have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term."
-- Donald J. Trump, March 29, 2022
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If I remember correctly, DeBarr objected to calling the Jan6 rally an "insurrection." If I remember correctly, there were a variety of types who attended the rally. A few were bent toward violence. Some of those few actually thought they could change the results of the election. If I remember correctly, the variety of types did not act in concert. They did not all get together before hand in order to coordinate an "insurrection." Many of them are now being prosecuted for things other than "insurrection, for some sort of trespassing, assault, property damage, etc. There is one now, If I remember correctly, who is being charged with some variety of insurrecion.

So far, there is no evidence, if I remember correctly, that those protesters who have been arrested had any ties to some alleged Trump conspiracy. And the numbers of "protesters" who were peaceful hugely, vastly, greatly, immensely, outnumber those who were not peaceful. So it was, indeed, if I remember correctly, as DeBarr said, a mostly peaceful protest. Calling the rally an insurrgency or a coup is ridiculous.

If the judge who said that it is more likely than not that there was some sort illegal "coup" plotted by Trump, that is a different story, and yet to be proven. If I remember correctly, the plot that was cooked up was alleged by the cookers to be constitutional. If so, then any "coup" that would result would not be illegal. And if the intent was to stay within the bounds of constitutionality, and the plot was not actually carried out, then it was a mistake that didn't happen.

Of course, with the right DOJ and jury, it can be made out to be what ever the prosecution desires.

So you buy into the green bay sweep as being constitutional? I can see you sitting on your plastic covered sofa, getting a woody as Navarrow uses his animated hand gestures to bring home the key points of the sweep in order to make it appear logical and constitutional. Just because all the evidence isn't yet available, doesn't mean there was illegality planned and coordination with many in and out of the white house. Trump has for his entire life used people to do his dirty work and in such a way that he has been difficult to charge, his final days in office were probably no different.

So you buy into the green bay sweep as being constitutional?

Where do you get that? I didn't buy into anything.
I said it was "alleged" by the planners to be constitutional. Do you "buy into" a claim that an illegal coup was planned?

I can see you sitting on your plastic covered sofa, getting a woody as Navarrow uses his animated hand gestures to bring home the key points of the sweep in order to make it appear logical and constitutional.

You have a perverted way of seeing what you want to see.

Just because all the evidence isn't yet available, doesn't mean there was illegality planned and coordination with many in and out of the white house. Trump has for his entire life used people to do his dirty work and in such a way that he has been difficult to charge, his final days in office were probably no different.

Right, until all the evidence is available and proved beyond reasonable doubt to show an "attempt" at an illegal coup, I'm not "buying in." I recall you and others prematurely buying in to stuff about Trump before it was proved, and it turning out to be BS.

But at least it makes you feel good for a while . . . I guess.

It's suspicious to you that a senior republican in the house, would be able to speak with a Republican president?

Jim if he did wheres the call Log? still not sure what you defend this Man

Right, until all the evidence is available and proved beyond reasonable doubt to show an "attempt" at an illegal coup, I'm not "buying in." I recall you and others prematurely buying in to stuff about Trump before it was proved, and it turning out to be BS.

But at least it makes you feel good for a while . . . I guess.

So what's your position on the missing Call Logs ?


Are they not the property of the people ?

True to form
Trump asks his friend Putin to take a break from murdering innocent civilians to help him frame Biden.
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Would Americans ever support a coup? 40 percent now say yes.
That percentage jumped significantly since 2017 and includes more than half the Republicans we surveyed.

and they love Putin... so a Coup is right in Republicans wheel house

So what's your position on the missing Call Logs ?

Don't have a position.

Are they not the property of the people ?

Push come to shove, the property of the people doesn't belong to the people. The Capitol Building, e.g. Or tax revenues. Our "Representatives" and agency bureaucrats pretty much control "our" property.

When Trump knows he's up to no good, he borrows other people's phones. And that's what he did for nearly 8 hours on January 6, 2021.

He used Rudy's phone multiple times that we know of that day. You know, the Rudy who’s phone is currently in the possession of the SDNY....
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When Trump knows he's up to no good, he borrows other people's phones. And that's what he did for nearly 8 hours on January 6, 2021.

He used Rudy's phone multiple times that we know of that day. You know, the Rudy who’s phone is currently in the possession of the SDNY....
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Authoritarian mind reading Pete knows what true $hit is.

Authoritarian mind reading Pete knows what true $hit is.

Bolton said he and Trump have spoken about how people have used “burner phones” to avoid having their calls scrutinized.

TFG thought Bolton said "burger phones", which refers to the red phones in the situation room with a direct line to McDonald's. All a big misunderstanding.

Jim if he did wheres the call Log? still not sure what you defend this Man

I'm not defending Trump. Pete said it's suspicious that his partys leader in the house would call him on a crazy day.

What's stunning, is that you act as if I'm a Trump apologist. The fanatic is you. I say he's a morally bankrupt man who got some great policy results. You say he's a Sith Lord, you've never, ever, once said he did anything to improve the country...

Would Americans ever support a coup? 40 percent now say yes.
That percentage jumped significantly since 2017 and includes more than half the Republicans we surveyed.

and they love Putin... so a Coup is right in Republicans wheel house

If you want to increase trust in elections, mandate photo ids and require that we show an id to vote or to get an absontee ballot.

That's what any problem-solver would suggest to ensure election integrity. Presumably there's a reason why your side is so adamantly opposed to those things...

If someone is opposed to drug tests, you kinda have to wonder what they're afraid of...

What's the proof Republicans love Putin? I'd like to see that data...I remember when Obama mocked Mitt Romney for suggesting Putin was a threat, and everyone on the left LOVED it.

If you want to increase trust in elections, mandate photo ids and require that we show an id to vote or to get an absontee ballot. this lack of trust is manufactured by republicans Lies they dont want election integrity

That's what any problem-solver would suggest to ensure election integrity. Presumably there's a reason why your side is so adamantly opposed to those things...
Any problem solver would know there is no problem to solve

If someone is opposed to drug tests, you kinda have to wonder what they're afraid of...

What's the proof Republicans love Putin? just look at the charts I posted I'd like to see that data...I remember when Obama mocked Mitt Romney for suggesting Putin was a threat, and everyone on the left LOVED it.

Even Republicans had more favorable opinion of the russians when Romney said That

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/23/republicans-view-putin-more-favorably-than-they-do-leading-democrats/

First Rule at GOP Orgies: drop your burner phones in a bowl.
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Bolton said he and Trump have spoken about how people have used “burner phones” to avoid having their calls scrutinized.

TFG thought Bolton said "burger phones", which refers to the red phones in the situation room with a direct line to McDonald's. All a big misunderstanding.

Big government Pete knows about burger phones and stuff. You can't fool authoritarian Pete when it's about true $hit.

"Who cares about a 7 hour gap in the White House call records because HuNTerZ LApT0p" will be tonight's talking point on the Tuckadoodledo White Power Hour.
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"Who cares about a 7 hour gap in the White House call records because HuNTerZ LApT0p" will be tonight's talking point on the Tuckadoodledo White Power Hour.
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Authoritarian Pete warns us about White Power.

I’m no lawyer but I think Trump openly conspiring with Russia is gonna hurt his lawsuit against people who accused him of conspiring with Russia.
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I’m no lawyer but I think Trump openly conspiring with Russia is gonna hurt his lawsuit against people who accused him of conspiring with Russia.
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Authoritarian Pete is not a lawyer, but he thinks.

Even Republicans had more favorable opinion of the russians when Romney said That

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/23/republicans-view-putin-more-favorably-than-they-do-leading-democrats/

i want election integrity, which is guaranteed if you require bids to vote and get an absinthe ballot. i’m not lying.

it’s also not lying to say that democrats oppose these simple and obvious steps to ensure integrity. again, it’s normal
to wonder why.

it’s not racist, or even political, to advocate for ids.

i’m not saying the gop doesn’t play games. sadly, they do. but ids are so obvious, it’s suspicious to resist it.

you’re reaction, as always, is that everything is ok when the left does it.

if you put a bunch of non-political
problem solvers i’m a room, and asked how they’d ensure election integrity, every one of them would say voter ids are the single
most important thing. there’s no argument against it.
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Authoritarian Pete is not a lawyer, but he thinks.

Meanwhile on Russian state TV:

Host Evgeny Popov says it's time for the Russian people to call on Americans to change "the regime in the U.S." before its term expires "and to again help our partner Trump to become President."
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Meanwhile on Russian state TV:

Host Evgeny Popov says it's time for the Russian people to call on Americans to change "the regime in the U.S." before its term expires "and to again help our partner Trump to become President."
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Authoritarian Pete believes authoritarian Russian state TV. Makes sense.

Here’s another reminder of what has long been obvious:

in the war between Ukraine and Russia, between Western freedom and authoritarian aggression, Donald Trump is on the anti-American side

he's the former president,
but not only that

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party TODAY
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Here’s another reminder of what has long been obvious:

Authoritarian, omniscient Pete is reminding us about what is obvious. This is of immeasurable importance and benefit to the rest of us whom he understands are incapable of seeing or remembering the obvious.

n the war between Ukraine and Russia, between Western freedom and authoritarian aggression, Donald Trump is on the anti-American side

Authoritarian omniscient Pete obviously knows what side Trump is on. Trump has said he is anti-American many times.
At least, it is conjectured that that is what he said.

he's the former president,
but not only that

Authoritarian Pete is reminding us again what has long been obvious.

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party TODAY
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Wow, that is so impressive! How he knows stuff we are not aware of. One of the inherent powers of the authoritarian mind, no doubt. Authoritarians think well of themselves. They just know so much.

“Our partner Trump” is a phrase that will live in infamy.
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“Our partner Trump” is a phrase that will live in infamy.
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Authoritarian Pete echos sentiments expressed by one of America's most successful Constitution busting authoritarians, FDR, who was a sort of Stalin's puppet. You and he have much in common, none of which is an original American characteristic.

Authoritarian Pete echos sentiments expressed by one of America's most successful Constitution busting authoritarians, FDR, who was a sort of Stalin's puppet. You and he have much in common, none of which is an original American characteristic.

Speaking of Originalism, both it and you are frauds.

It was conceived to be, and has turned out to be, a smokescreen for imposing arch-conservative social and political values on Americans who don’t share them.

Scalia was not an originalist, neither is Thomas. They are result-driven in the extreme.
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Speaking of Originalism, both it and you are frauds.

It was conceived to be, and has turned out to be, a smokescreen for imposing arch-conservative social and political values on Americans who don’t share them.

Scalia was not an originalist, neither is Thomas. They are result-driven in the extreme.
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Arch-authoritarian Pete expounds on Originalism and convincingly exposes it and me as frauds. And he knows, because he is the authority, that, in spite of what has been written (no doubt by fraudulent experts) that Scalia and Thomas are not Originalists. That they are extremely and fraudulently driven to produce results. No doubt they lack the murky nuances of Progressive interpretation in which results are a matter of opinion.

Pete is a master of opinion, and conjecture . . .

i want election integrity, which is guaranteed if you require bids to vote and get an absinthe ballot. i’m not lying.

it’s also not lying to say that democrats oppose these simple and obvious steps to ensure integrity. again, it’s normal
to wonder why.

it’s not racist, or even political, to advocate for ids.

i’m not saying the gop doesn’t play games. sadly, they do. but ids are so obvious, it’s suspicious to resist it.

you’re reaction, as always, is that everything is ok when the left does it.

if you put a bunch of non-political
problem solvers i’m a room, and asked how they’d ensure election integrity, every one of them would say voter ids are the single
most important thing. there’s no argument against it.
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Jim Voter ID laws go back to 1950, when South Carolina became the first state to start requesting identification from voters at the polls.

Many state had some form of voter ID the Republicans started pushing for stricter laws

And if you look at the states Trump lost. They all had voter ID .
Just proving the election integrity laws some states are pushing is no restrict voting

Look at Texas they have had Non-strict, photo I’d even in 2021. Then Trump lost and they saw the voter Turn out it the state and went bananas , DNA

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id-chronology.aspx

Jim my issue isn’t with the need to show an ID in my town An election person ask my address finds it in a book ask my name matches it then draws a red line thru it. It’s been the same way for over 50 years . No problems and if the decided to change it to require an Strict photo ID . Based only that a candidate won or lost or some crazy was claiming mass voter fraud then I have a problem with that..

And that’s all these states did they saw Trump lose and then changed the laws to protect against something that didn’t happen ,

But since the base believe the lie the cowardly Reps went along with it
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Meanwhile on Russian state TV:

Host Evgeny Popov says it's time for the Russian people to call on Americans to change "the regime in the U.S." before its term expires "and to again help our partner Trump to become President."
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Head over to newsmax the removal of Biden is in any comment section involving Ukraine! And good luck finding that suggestion about Putin

Conservatives were outrage that Biden said Putin shouldn’t stay in power .
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Jim Voter ID laws go back to 1950, when South Carolina became the first state to start requesting identification from voters at the polls.

Many state had some form of voter ID the Republicans started pushing for stricter laws

And if you look at the states Trump lost. They all had voter ID .
Just proving the election integrity laws some states are pushing is no restrict voting

Look at Texas they have had Non-strict, photo I’d even in 2021. Then Trump lost and they saw the voter Turn out it the state and went bananas , DNA

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id-chronology.aspx

Jim my issue isn’t with the need to show an ID in my town An election person ask my address finds it in a book ask my name matches it then draws a red line thru it. It’s been the same way for over 50 years . No problems and if the decided to change it to require an Strict photo ID . Based only that a candidate won or lost or some crazy was claiming mass voter fraud then I have aBut since the base believe the lie problem with that..

And that’s all these states did they saw Trump lose and then changed the laws to protect against something that didn’t happen ,

the cowardly Reps went along with it
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Do you have any idea, how often you respond to something I never said?

I am aware that many states have voter id laws. I never said otherwise. What I said, and I am correct, is that conservatives generally want more common voter id, and liberals generally want less of it. And that it's natural to be suspicious of anyone who'd oppose something so obvious.

I don't support voter id laws because I think they will help republicans win more often. I have no idea if that's true or not. I support voter id laws because they make obvious sense, and because there's no conceivable reason to oppose them, unless you think your side will benefit by not having them.

I'm not obsessed with my side winning every single election, every single year. It's healthy if the pendulum swings back and forth a little.

"But since the base believe the lie..."

What lie are you claiming that I believe? Please be specific.

You don't even know what it is that you're disagreeing with. If I said "two plus two is four", you'd say that was a republican lie. You thoughtlessly, reflexively, instantly conclude that every syllable uttered by every republican is a sinister lie. It's a stupid, simplistic, demonstrably false view of reality.

Liberals tend to oppose id laws, even claiming that they are racist, which is deranged, unless the process to get id is easier for whites than it is for blacks.

"then changed the laws to protect against something that didn’t happen"

Kinda like passing a law that makes lynching a federal crime......because that was happening every day in this country until Biden and Co. stepped in and fixed it. :rolleyes:
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Ahmaud Arbery was murdered or, more accurately, lynched
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and then changed the laws to protect against something that didn’t happen ,


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You guys complain that only 50% of the country trusts elections, then you bash the single idea that would restore confidence.

Ahmaud Arbery was murdered or, more accurately, lynched
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Just Stop! Seriously
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I suppose if three people chase down another and murder him, it's what? Suicide by ????????

Now the Right wants national ID cards, so only card carrying members are allowed to vote.
No big government there.

You guys complain that only 50% of the country trusts elections, then you bash the single idea that would restore confidence.

Jim you keep skipping over the party who has created this panic and the skepticism around the elections .. all based on a lie and pure dishonesty..

And Trump trying to steal the election is a major concern in that 50% and lack of trust in the election

If you can’t trust your own POTUS who can you Trust
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Jim you keep skipping over the party who has created this panic and the skepticism around the elections .. all based on a lie and pure dishonesty..

And Trump trying to steal the election is a major concern in that 50% and lack of trust in the election

If you can’t trust your own POTUS who can you Trust
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I agree the GOP is beating this drum. But from what one of you guys posted, it doesn't look like independents are all that confident.

Let me ask you this...the upside to universal voter id law, is that it increases the integrity. What's the downside, exactly?

"And Trump trying to steal the election is a major concern"

But as we'd expect, it's not concerning to you when congressional democrats tried to steal the 2016 election. Shocker.

A Harvard poll (Harvard isn't a right wing school) has Trump beating Biden by 7 points. It's all amazing, actually. Americans say they like Trumps policies, then they elect Biden in a landslide, now they all soured on Biden. We are pretty fickle and stupid, collectively...

As much as I pray Trump doesn't run again, if he did and won...it would almost be worth it to see the left's reaction.

I agree the GOP is beating this drum. But from what one of you guys posted, it doesn't look like independents are all that confident.

Let me ask you this...the upside to universal voter id law, is that it increases the integrity. What's the downside, exactly?

"And Trump trying to steal the election is a major concern"

But as we'd expect, it's not concerning to you when congressional democrats tried to steal the 2016 election. Shocker.

A Harvard poll (Harvard isn't a right wing school) has Trump beating Biden by 7 points. It's all amazing, actually. Americans say they like Trumps policies, then they elect Biden in a landslide, now they all soured on Biden. We are pretty fickle and stupid, collectively...

As much as I pray Trump doesn't run again, if he did and won...it would almost be worth it to see the left's reaction.


you saw the list ... and the vast majority of states require some form of ID ..

Its only red states that keep moving the goalposts based on there self created Voter fraud

Kinda like In Fla the no Gay bill being sold as protection of children
will prohibit primary school teachers from classroom instruction related to sexual orientation and gender identity,

which is not happening! i repeat not happening anywhere in FLA or the Nation just like CRT imagine that... or banning trans from girl sports suggesting its a rampant problem

Id like to Ask Ron why is this law needed NOW? Seeing Republicans Have controlled the Governorship . and the Senate and House in the state since 1999... are they suggesting the state board of education is complicit and has allowed and encouraged this outrage the Ron needed to Correct ?? it's just an election Stunt and the Base is taking it hook line and sinker :rollem:

Kinda like In Fla the no Gay bill being sold as protection of children
will prohibit primary school teachers from classroom instruction related to sexual orientation and gender identity,

which is not happening! i repeat not happening anywhere in FLA or the Nation just like CRT imagine that... or banning trans from girl sports suggesting its a rampant problem

Id like to Ask Ron why is this law needed NOW? Seeing Republicans Have controlled the Governorship . and the Senate and House in the state since 1999... are they suggesting the state board of education is complicit and has allowed and encouraged this outrage the Ron needed to Correct ?? it's just an election Stunt and the Base is taking it hook line and sinker :rollem:

"In Fla the no Gay bill"

Obviously you haven't read it. The bill doesn't have the word gay or homosexual in it. The bill forbids talking about sexuality of any kind (including heterosexuality, also banned) from grades K-3.

Is that really so outrageous? I was 4 when I started kindergarten.

You want 4 year-olds to be subjected to discussions on sexuality in school? That's important to you?

Why do you call it the no gay bill, if it also bans discussion of heterosexuality?

"which is not happening! i repeat not happening anywhere in FLA or the Nation"

Demonstrably, 100% lie. The last year that my kids were in public school, the town forced kids to watch a video about homosexuality, it showed two young boys making out (not a cartoon, it was real). The video (which parents were not notified about ahead of time), encouraged students to start and/or join gay advocacy groups.

If you google "teachers sexuality elementary school", you'll see as many examples as you like.

I can't imagine from where you got the idea that sexuality isn't being pushed in some elementary schools.

And the bill does nothing, absolutely nothing, to discriminate against gays.

I got fooled my reading false news not long ago, I was fooled into thinking that Bidens SCOTUS nominee ruled as a judge that pro lifers couldn't march. You told me I was wrong, and you were right, I was wrong. You are similarly wrong here. Let's see if you can admit it.

"just like CRT"

Again,. wrong. Irrefutable that kids were taught things like the notion that being born white bestows one with guilt or culpability. Whether it's called "CRT" anywhere, is irrelevant. It's teaching CRT.

"why is this law needed NOW?"

One of the very few benefits to covid, is that when kids were home for 18 months, and parents were also home, is that MANY parents saw for the first time, what's being taught in their schools. This issue has a heightened awareness right now. The left is losing its marbles right now. And obviously, he's playing to his base, politics is part of it obviously.

Not a good post for you, chock full of demonstrable falsehoods.

Did you answer my question, whats
the harm of universal id laws?

wayne,?if there’s no voter fraud then there’s no reason to not support voter id laws, i less it’s harder for blacks to get ids, which we know isn’t the case.

if sexuality is never discussed in any elementary school, then there’s no reason to oppose Desantis’ law, because it wouldn’t change anything.

And if CRT isn’t being taught, there’s no reason to oppose laws banning it, because again, he law wouldn’t change a thing.

there’s a reason why people
oppose such things.

these are huge losing issues for your side. don’t you understand that the whole
country isn’t like San Francisco?

wayne, you say sexuality is t taught anywhere ( you even used an exclamation point!).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/jazz-jenningss-book-was-read-to-first-graders-the-school-faced-with-backlash-says-its-consistent-with-our-values-235421707.html
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Trump on tape now asking Putin to help dig up dirt on the Biden’s, so almost everyone with a moral bone in their body condemns Putin for the brutality he is inflicting on innocent civilians and our former president is still on the hook to his bromance buddy.

Imagine if Biden went on TV and said that he’d be willing to work with Russia over the “Ukraine thing” if Putin “does us a favor” and releases everything he has on Trump. Do you think republicans would just say “no big deal”?
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Imagine if Biden went on TV and said that he’d be willing to work with Russia over the “Ukraine thing” if Putin “does us a favor” and releases everything he has on Trump. Do you think republicans would just say “no big deal”?
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i’d be happy imagining him on tv and not slipping with some insane gaffe,,like saying putin can’t stay in power or saying that the US will use chemical weapons if russia does, or telling the 82nd airborne that they’ll see ukraine. i’d be happy if he could avoid saying things that insane. they‘re batsh*t crazy things to say.

he’s deteriorating before the worlds eyes.
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I think the ease with which Putin conquered the GOP led to his hubris in attacking Ukraine. Zelensky & the Ukrainian people are not amoral morons like Trump & his supporters. They have something the GOP lacks, integrity and a backbone.
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Meanwhile on Russian state TV: Another translated clip of Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard, introduced by state TV host Vladimir Soloviev as "Our girlfriend Tulsi."

After the clip plays, one panelist asks: "Is she some sort of a Russian agent?" The host quickly replies: "Yes."
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I think the ease with which Putin conquered the GOP led to his hubris in attacking Ukraine.

So if attacking Ukraine depended on conquering the GOP, why did he wait for the GOP to lose power and attack when the Democrat Party was in power? Had he already conquered the Democrats? Not that I expect you to make sense, but what you say here makes no sense.

Zelensky & the Ukrainian people are not amoral morons like Trump & his supporters. They have something the GOP lacks, integrity and a backbone.
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There are no amoral moronic Ukrainians? I've heard a fair amount of them are NAZIs. That many of them are pro-Russian and want to break away from Ukraine and join Russia. That Ukraine has for a long time been rife with corruption, and even Biden threatened them if they did not clean up their act.

And, of course, the GOP is so spineless that it's putting up no resistance to the Democrat agenda and is falling all over itself to give the Dems every little thing they want--absolutely no backbone ... right?

And of course, The elephant party is so full of integrity that it created a magnificent hoax full of scandalous rumors innuendos and dossiers, while also spewing out a continuous stream of wonderfully corrosive lies that invested the time and money of the American people during the previous five years.

I had been thinking that you deliberately tell propagandistic lies, but now I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense that you spout.

Things not on Hunter’s laptop or Hillary’s emails:
—A PowerPoint presentation to overthrow the U.S. gov’t
—17 boxes of stolen classified docs from the WH
—The translator notes from Trump’s Putin meetings
—An executive order to seize voting machines
—Deleted WH call logs from 1/6
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i’d be happy imagining him on tv and not slipping with some insane gaffe,,like saying putin can’t stay in power or saying that the US will use chemical weapons if russia does,

he’s deteriorating before the worlds eyes.
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So let me get this correct Putin invades Ukraine bombs civilians hospitals schools threatens to use nukes and chemical weapons

And you think Biden saying putin can’t stay in power is some insane gaffe

Republicans once again attack their own POTUS this time for being to tough on Putin

and please get informed Biden stated if Russia used chemical weapons we nato would respond! Biden never said we’ll respond with chemical weapons he said we would respond in kind
Stop the misinformation
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So let me get this correct Putin invades Ukraine bombs civilians hospitals schools threatens to use nukes and chemical weapons

And you think Biden saying putin can’t stay in power is some insane gaffe

Republicans once again attack their own POTUS this time for being to tough on Putin

and please get informed Biden stated if Russia used chemical weapons we nato would respond! Biden never said we’ll respond with chemical weapons he said we would respond in kind
Stop the misinformation
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"And you think Biden saying putin can’t stay in power is some insane gaffe "

Not just me. Do you pay attention to ANYTHING? Several people in the Biden administration had to clarify that Biden didn't mean what he said.

"Biden never said we’ll respond with chemical weapons he said we would respond in kind"

Umm...what do you think "in kind" means, if its's a response to Russia's use of chemical weapons? Again, the administration had to go out there and tell the world that Biden didn't mean what he said.

Here's the google definition of "in kind" (look it up!) - "in the same way".

So if Russia uses chemical weapons, and Biden says we'd respond "in mind", any honest person admits that Biden is saying we'd respond with chemical weapons. We'd never, ever do that...But Biden explicitly said we would.

you're denying what "in kind" means, for political convenience, because you can't just admit he slipped up.

Cambridge dictionary - "If you do something in kind, you do the same thing to someone that they have just done to you."

"And you think Biden saying putin can’t stay in power is some insane gaffe "

Not just me. Do you pay attention to ANYTHING? Several people in the Biden administration had to clarify that Biden didn't mean what he said.

"Biden never said we’ll respond with chemical weapons he said we would respond in kind"

Umm...what do you think "in kind" means, if its's a response to Russia's use of chemical weapons? Again, the administration had to go out there and tell the world that Biden didn't mean what he said.

Here's the google definition of "in kind" (look it up!) - "in the same way".

So if Russia uses chemical weapons, and Biden says we'd respond "in mind", any honest person admits that Biden is saying we'd respond with chemical weapons. We'd never, ever do that...But Biden explicitly said we would.

you're denying what "in kind" means, for political convenience, because you can't just admit he slipped up.

Cambridge dictionary - "If you do something in kind, you do the same thing to someone that they have just done to you."


clearly you're not one of the honest people whom your claim clearly understand Biden ment chemical weapons

We will do the Same or in Kind Jim we will Attack the russians if they use chemical weapons ! However your in a fantasy world if you think Biden or Nato suggested they would use chemicals weapons as a response its not ours or natos to use chemicals so carelessly if at all

NATO Deputy-General Secretary Mircea Geoana said in an interview with The Associated Press that the group would respond if Russia used chemical or nuclear weapons in its war against Ukraine.

“NATO is a defensive alliance, but also it’s a nuclear alliance,” said Geoana, who is also the former Romanian foreign minister and ambassador to the United States. “If they will be using chemical weapons or other kinds of higher-end systems against Ukraine, this will be changing fundamentally the nature of the war that Mr. Putin has waged against Ukraine.”

“I can guarantee that NATO is ready to respond proportionately,” Geoana added. https://thehill.com/policy/international/599877-nato-official-says-alliance-would-be-forced-to-take-action-if-russia/


Looks like you never looked up regime Change

the replacement of one administration or government by another, especially by means of military force.

Biden said"Putin 'cannot remain in power'" and people drew their own conclusions ... and Biden responded" Biden: 'I make no apologies' for Putin comment ! I want to make it clear, I wasn't then nor am I now articulating a policy change."

Jim conservatives are just dishonest 24x7 before this comment Biden was weak on Putin he invade because of Bidens weakness BLA BALA BLA .. but now it OMG how could he say such a thing is he crazy

case in point

Many top hosts for Fox News and other conservative media voices are blaming the White House for supposedly enabling Russia’s attack on Ukraine — even some of the same personalities who previously ridiculed President Biden’s warnings that an invasion was imminent.

“It’s just extraordinary what this president has allowed our adversaries to do,” Fox Business Network anchor Maria Bartiromo told viewers Thursday morning, as reports of Russian incursions across Ukraine poured in. She argued that Biden “has not been tough enough on Russia” and, “so far, anything that this administration has said has been weak.”

But days earlier, Bartiromo had sounded confident the Biden administration was inflating the threat of Russian aggression to distract from bad political news at home —

Some Republicans in the Senate and House of Representatives blamed Biden for failing to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from sending forces into Ukraine and called on the U.S. president to take a stronger position on the largest conflict in Europe since World War Two.

Republicans panned the remark, including Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, who called the moment a "mistake."

“Well, first, I think all of us believe the world would be a better place without Vladimir Putin,” he said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “But second, that’s not the official U.S. policy, and by saying that, that regime change is our strategy,

These republicans already Knew regime change wasn't our strategy,

so how is saying I think all of us believe the world would be a better place without Vladimir Putin, is different than Putin cannot remain in power'


When Trump was in office His Trump’s favorite tools was hyperbole and exaggeration and his supporters Cheered

But with Biden everything is taken literally like President Biden pledging to “cure” cancer... and the right screams how arrogant :btu:

clearly you're not one of the honest people whom your claim clearly understand Biden ment chemical weapons

We will do the Same or in Kind Jim we will Attack the russians if they use chemical weapons ! However your in a fantasy world if you think Biden or Nato suggested they would use chemicals weapons as a response its not ours or natos to use chemicals so carelessly if at all

NATO Deputy-General Secretary Mircea Geoana said in an interview with The Associated Press that the group would respond if Russia used chemical or nuclear weapons in its war against Ukraine.

“NATO is a defensive alliance, but also it’s a nuclear alliance,” said Geoana, who is also the former Romanian foreign minister and ambassador to the United States. “If they will be using chemical weapons or other kinds of higher-end systems against Ukraine, this will be changing fundamentally the nature of the war that Mr. Putin has waged against Ukraine.”

“I can guarantee that NATO is ready to respond proportionately,” Geoana added. https://thehill.com/policy/international/599877-nato-official-says-alliance-would-be-forced-to-take-action-if-russia/


Looks like you never looked up regime Change

the replacement of one administration or government by another, especially by means of military force.

Biden said"Putin 'cannot remain in power'" and people drew their own conclusions ... and Biden responded" Biden: 'I make no apologies' for Putin comment ! I want to make it clear, I wasn't then nor am I now articulating a policy change."

Jim conservatives are just dishonest 24x7 before this comment Biden was weak on Putin he invade because of Bidens weakness BLA BALA BLA .. but now it OMG how could he say such a thing is he crazy

case in point

Many top hosts for Fox News and other conservative media voices are blaming the White House for supposedly enabling Russia’s attack on Ukraine — even some of the same personalities who previously ridiculed President Biden’s warnings that an invasion was imminent.

“It’s just extraordinary what this president has allowed our adversaries to do,” Fox Business Network anchor Maria Bartiromo told viewers Thursday morning, as reports of Russian incursions across Ukraine poured in. She argued that Biden “has not been tough enough on Russia” and, “so far, anything that this administration has said has been weak.”

But days earlier, Bartiromo had sounded confident the Biden administration was inflating the threat of Russian aggression to distract from bad political news at home —

Some Republicans in the Senate and House of Representatives blamed Biden for failing to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from sending forces into Ukraine and called on the U.S. president to take a stronger position on the largest conflict in Europe since World War Two.

Republicans panned the remark, including Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, who called the moment a "mistake."

“Well, first, I think all of us believe the world would be a better place without Vladimir Putin,” he said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “But second, that’s not the official U.S. policy, and by saying that, that regime change is our strategy,

These republicans already Knew regime change wasn't our strategy,

so how is saying I think all of us believe the world would be a better place without Vladimir Putin, is different than Putin cannot remain in power'


When Trump was in office His Trump’s favorite tools was hyperbole and exaggeration and his supporters Cheered

But with Biden everything is taken literally like President Biden pledging to “cure” cancer... and the right screams how arrogant :btu:

"your in a fantasy world if you think Biden or Nato suggested they would use chemicals weapons "

No, you're in a fantasy world if you don't think that's precisely what he suggested. You are denying what "in kind" means.

I agree with you, he didn't mean to say it. I know we'd never use chemical weapons. But he said we would. That's what "in kind" means.

"NATO Deputy-General Secretary Mircea Geoana said"

We're talking about what President Biden said...

"Jim conservatives are just dishonest 24x7".

That's rich, coming from you. Are you EVER going to tell us why you called Desantis' bill the "don't say gay" bill, when it applies exactly identically to heterosexuality and homosexuality? Can't you just admit you got it wrong?

"but now it OMG how could he say such a thing is he crazy"

ye she is. In the span of a fgew days, he said Putin cannot remain in power, he said we'd respond with chemical weapons if Russia used them, and he said the 82nd Airborne was going to Ukraine. All in a few days time.

There's a reason why he's polling where he is. And it's not just the diehard conservatives. He's tanking with independents badly, and losing big ground with Hispanics.

Keep talking about transgender issues, that'll help.

Things not on Hunter’s laptop or Hillary’s emails:
—A PowerPoint presentation to overthrow the U.S. gov’t
—17 boxes of stolen classified docs from the WH
—The translator notes from Trump’s Putin meetings
—An executive order to seize voting machines
—Deleted WH call logs from 1/6
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I doubt that the FBI is searching the laptop for what is not on it.

"your in a fantasy world if you think Biden or Nato suggested they would use chemicals weapons "

No, you're in a fantasy world if you don't think that's precisely what he suggested. You are denying what "in kind" means.

you have no idea what you are talking about sorry

I agree with you, he didn't mean to say it. I know we'd never use chemical weapons. But he said we would. That's what "in kind" means.

"NATO Deputy-General Secretary Mircea Geoana said"

We're talking about what President Biden said... Jim Biden is not in charge of NATO ... so you think we have going along with nato in our response to Putin's invasion only to launch a chemical attack on our own :huh:

"Jim conservatives are just dishonest 24x7".

That's rich, coming from you. Are you EVER going to tell us why you called Desantis' bill the "don't say gay" bill, when it applies exactly identically to heterosexuality and homosexuality? Can't you just admit you got it wrong? its a nickname Jim what did I get wrong ? there are no classes being taught to k-8 in Fla or any other State its a lie

"but now it OMG how could he say such a thing is he crazy"

ye she is. In the span of a few days, he said Putin cannot remain in power, he said we'd respond with chemical weapons if Russia used them, and he said the 82nd Airborne was going to Ukraine. All in a few days time.

There's a reason why he's polling where he is. And it's not just the diehard conservatives. He's tanking with independents badly, and losing big ground with Hispanics.

Keep talking about transgender issues, that'll help.


UNITED NATIONS — President Donald Trump, in his first address to the United Nations, derided Kim Jong Un, North Korea’s leader, as a “rocket man” on Tuesday as the president warned that he may be forced to "totally destroy" the rogue nation.

"If the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph," Trump said, as he detailed the horrors of what he called the "depraved" North Korean regime.

"Rocket man is on a suicide mission," he said, using a nickname for Kim that refers to the North Korean leader's recent missile tests.

"The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea."

Mr Trump told reporters on Tuesday: "North Korea best not make any more threats to the US. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen."

Perhaps Mr Trump believes that no hyperbolic threats should go unmatched or that apocalyptic warnings are the only ones the North Korean leadership will understand. Perhaps he - intentionally or not - is pursuing a Nixonian "madman" style foreign policy, where adversaries will tread lightly to avoid triggering the wrath of an unpredictable US commander-in-chief.

Conservatives suffer from historical amnesia But But Biden is out of control...

UNITED NATIONS — President Donald Trump, in his first address to the United Nations, derided Kim Jong Un, North Korea’s leader, as a “rocket man” on Tuesday as the president warned that he may be forced to "totally destroy" the rogue nation.

"If the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph," Trump said, as he detailed the horrors of what he called the "depraved" North Korean regime.

"Rocket man is on a suicide mission," he said, using a nickname for Kim that refers to the North Korean leader's recent missile tests.

"The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea."

Mr Trump told reporters on Tuesday: "North Korea best not make any more threats to the US. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen."

Perhaps Mr Trump believes that no hyperbolic threats should go unmatched or that apocalyptic warnings are the only ones the North Korean leadership will understand. Perhaps he - intentionally or not - is pursuing a Nixonian "madman" style foreign policy, where adversaries will tread lightly to avoid triggering the wrath of an unpredictable US commander-in-chief.

Conservatives suffer from historical amnesia But But Biden is out of control...

ok. let’s be clear. please tell
me one single way, in which Desantis’ bill treats homosexuality differently from how it treats heterosexuality.

“don’t say gay” isn’t some random nickname and you know it. it’s a lie, designed to paint him as a bigot. it’s what your side constantly does, and in november america will render an opinion on that.

god forbid we discuss it honestly.

are you saying we should discuss sexuality in kindergarten wdmso? 4 and 5 year olds?

i know biden isn’t in charge of nato, which makes it more stupid, not less stupid, for biden to tell the world
nato would respond with chemical
weapons. you’re proving my point. thank you.
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Trump should just pay Christopher Steele to "find" dirt on the Bidens.

Trump should just pay Christopher Steele to "find" dirt on the Bidens.

He could just ask Iwanna to speak to him
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He could just ask Iwanna to speak to him
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He didn't "ask" Putin to "find" or "dig up" (create a phoney scandalous narrative such as the Steele Dossier secretly paid for by the Clinton campaign). He said PUBLICLY that Putin should release the reason why the mayor of Moscow's wife gave the Bidens $3.5 million dollars. He didn't try to hide what he thought Putin should do, as the Clinton campaign deceitfully paid Steele to do. He didn't secretly ask Putin to do it, he openly, in public, said he should.

"One thing, while I’m on your show, as long as Putin now is not exactly a fan of our country, let him explain, where did - because Chris Wallace wouldn’t let me ask the question - why did the mayor of Moscow's wife give the Bidens, both of them, $3.5 million dollars? That’s a lot of money," Trump told John Solomon and Amanda Head on the “Just the News” show on Real America's Voice network.

Trump added that “I would think Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it."

Would it be a terrible thing if Putin did release the info? How should the Dems or legacy media react if he did. Oh wait . . . right . . . it would be shrugged off, as they did with Hunter's laptop, as "Russian disinformation."

I suspect you still think the Steele Dossier was good, and that it was OK for Clinton to secretly pay Steele to do it. But how dare Trump suggest, in public, without paying him, that Putin should release information that he would know.

Jared Kushner made a surprise, midnight trip to meet with MBS in Saudi Arabia in 2017. A week later, MBS rounded up, assaulted and tortured dozens of his rivals.

Now Jared Kushner's investment fund is seeking billions from the Saudis.

But let's talk Hunter's laptop

"There's no possible way a hostile foreign power with a vast propaganda and intelligence machine could have manipulated 2016...and also bamboo fibers and Dominion voting machines and the Lizard people stole 2020 from Trump and 1/6 was a tourist visit."
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But let's talk Hunter's laptop

"There's no possible way a hostile foreign power with a vast propaganda and intelligence machine could have manipulated 2016...and also bamboo fibers and Dominion voting machines and the Lizard people stole 2020 from Trump and 1/6 was a tourist visit."
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we can’t talk about both? even cnn is saying this looks really really bad for hunter.

CNN is saying that.

If the GOP takes the house in november, which is very likely, they then control committees and have subpoena power. it’ll be “Hunters laptop” 24/7 for a while.

Could be a rough time for you. Start stocking up on your tin foil hats now.
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SENTENCING TOMORROW for Lonnie Coffman, who admits have the following in truck on Jan 6:

"Hundreds of rounds of
ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes,
camouflage smoke devices, a stun gun, cloth rags, lighters.. 11 mason jars"
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SENTENCING TOMORROW for Lonnie Coffman, who admits have the following in truck on Jan 6:

"Hundreds of rounds of
ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes,
camouflage smoke devices, a stun gun, cloth rags, lighters.. 11 mason jars"
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again, where’s the evidence that he was part of some plot?

how many people at the BLM riots had weapons? how come you never once made a post calling those riots an armed coup?

answer - it’s ok when liberals do it, only problematic for you when conservatives do it.

the only principle you have, the only principle you are consistent with, is that liberals are good and conservatives are bad.

you deny everything bad the left does, and deny everything good that the right does. because you need it to be way more simple than what’s real, and what’s real is this - there is plenty of good and bad people, and god and bad ideas, on both sides.

Your side said Giv Cuomo was “the gold standard” in terms of
managing covid. Yet Florida has way more old people, didn’t lock down as much, didn’t keep
kids out of school as long, and has a lower death rate than NY. How could any sane person conclude that FL didn’t do a better job? On what possible basis would you say NY was managed better?

If Cuomo was “the gold standard” who deserves book deals and hollywood awards, what does that make desantis?

President, maybe.
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Just keep believing

As Merrick Garland said

“ We build investigations by laying a foundation. We resolve more straightforward cases first because they provide the evidentiary foundation for more complex cases.

Investigating the more overt crimes generates linkages to less overt ones. Overt actors and the evidence they provide can lead us to others who may also have been involved. And that evidence can serve as the foundation for further investigative leads and techniques.

In circumstances like those of January 6th, a full accounting does not suddenly materialize. To ensure that all those criminally responsible are held accountable, we must collect the evidence.

We follow the physical evidence. We follow the digital evidence. We follow the money.”
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we can’t talk about both?

You could do what he does. Respond to his posts by avoiding what he says and just use them as an occasion to bash Biden and the Dems.

Remember (Pete likes the remember meme) that he is not about a conversation in search of truth. He is about not tolerating "conservatism," not giving it any space for debate. He is about drumming his Progressive message into our heads and totally dismissing, disregarding, paying no attention, to what opposes his view of what really matters, even if he has to lie to convince us.

You could do what he does. Respond to his posts by avoiding what he says and just use them as an occasion to bash Biden and the Dems.

Remember (Pete likes the remember meme) that he is not about a conversation in search of truth. He is about not tolerating "conservatism," not giving it any space for debate. He is about drumming his Progressive message into our heads and totally dismissing, disregarding, paying no attention, to what opposes his view of what really matters, even if he has to lie to convince us.

every single post, wdmso too, is :

liberal=good, conservative=bad.

we’re at a point, where Desantis is being called an anti gay bigot because he doesn’t want sexuality of any kind ( including heterosexuality) discussed in grades K-3.

the left, including wdmso, are calling it the “don’t say gay” bill, even though it treats heterosexuality identically to how it treats homosexuality.

but it’s an anti gay bill.

and it’s bad to oppose talking about genitalia to someone else’s kindergartener. age 5.
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Remember - they've arrested more Republican men in public restrooms then they have trans women.

But that's no excuse to demonize and fear all Republican men.

Remember - they've arrested more Republican men in public restrooms then they have trans women.

But that's no excuse to demonize and fear all Republican men.

there are a lot more republican men. stupid post even for you.
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there are a lot more republican men. stupid post even for you.
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I thought even one was too many, doesn’t it apply to Trumplicans?
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Donald Trump’s phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when the building was being violently assaulted, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

Are absent


Convenient?
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oops there goes another....

oops there goes another....

Trump didn't intentionally hide his calls during the insurrection, he intentionally hid his calls all the time is a truly Trumpian twist
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Remember - they've arrested more Republican men in public restrooms then they have trans women.

But that's no excuse to demonize and fear all Republican men.


Pete....you are hilarious! Please do carry on

Preliminary list of Jan 6th Lifers

Don Jr
Giuliani
Mark Meadows
Gen Mike Flynn
Roger Stone
Erik Prince
Bannon
Rep Gosar
Gym Jordan
John Eastman
Sen Ron Johnson
Sidney Powell
Sen Graham
Qevin McCarthy
Jenna Ellis
Rep Perry
Ginny Thomas
Alex Jones
Rep Mo Brooks
My Pillow Guy
Trump
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Preliminary list of Jan 6th Lifers

Don Jr
Giuliani
Mark Meadows
Gen Mike Flynn
Roger Stone
Erik Prince
Bannon
Rep Gosar
Gym Jordan
John Eastman
Sen Ron Johnson
Sidney Powell
Sen Graham
Qevin McCarthy
Jenna Ellis
Rep Perry
Ginny Thomas
Alex Jones
Rep Mo Brooks
My Pillow Guy
Trump
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Authoritarian Pete has a hit list.

If you’re wondering about the desperate attempts to change the topic yesterday by Republicans it was revealed that Don Jr. laid out the entire coup plan via text to Mark Meadows 2 days after the election. The conspiracy is falling apart. Have a nice day.
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If you’re wondering about the desperate attempts to change the topic yesterday by Republicans it was revealed that Don Jr. laid out the entire coup plan via text to Mark Meadows 2 days after the election. The conspiracy is falling apart. Have a nice day.
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This has no bearing on my day. But it does seem to have perked you up.

This has no bearing on my day. But it does seem to have perked you up.

It should matter if you actually care about America . And what was attempted by Trump and his supporters no matter how feeble the attempt looked

It’s really not hard you either support what they attempted or you don’t.. its a simple yes or no

No nuance response required
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It should matter if you actually care about America . And what was attempted by Trump and his supporters no matter how feeble the attempt looked

It’s really not hard you either support what they attempted or you don’t.. its a simple yes or no

No nuance response required
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I care if America can retain itself as a constitutional republic rather than completely becoming a centralized authoritarian state. I don't have a clear and proven picture of what totally occurred on Jan6. I do have a very clear picture of which direction our form of government is and has been going. I don't think Trump and his supporters being convicted of some crime will change our direction toward authoritarian centralization of government. And if he and they are actually guilty of crimes, they deserve just punishment. And if they are not proven guilty, then what will you say?

“It’s very simple. We have multiple paths. We control them all. We have operational control. Total leverage. Moral high ground. POTUS must start second term now.” - Junior’s text to Mark Meadows leading up to J6.
Every member of the GOP should be asked these questions: Did Trump control you then? Does he control you now?
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I care if America can retain itself as a constitutional republic rather than completely becoming a centralized authoritarian state. I don't have a clear and proven picture of what totally occurred on Jan6. I do have a very clear picture of which direction our form of government is and has been going. I don't think Trump and his supporters being convicted of some crime will change our direction toward authoritarian centralization of government. And if he and they are actually guilty of crimes, they deserve just punishment. And if they are not proven guilty, then what will you say?


direction toward authoritarian centralization of government


we all know its not Dems leading the country down this road


“Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties,”


what Party is doing this ... :thanks:

direction toward authoritarian centralization of government


we all know its not Dems leading the country down this road


“Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties,”


what Party is doing this ... :thanks:

which party is routinely punishing americans for exercising their right to practice religion?

which party is constantly trying to silence the other side? preventing them from speaking on college campuses, censoring them from social
media?

which party said that those speaking about hunters laptop ( which we KNOW was legit) were acting as russian agents?

which side says that every single person who disagrees with them about anything, is a hatemongwr and a racist?

let me guess…it’s ok when democrats do it.

you’re saying that republicans want a large federal government, not democrats. whew.
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The average fine for rape in Texas is $10,000.

The bail for having an abortion is $500,000.
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which party is routinely punishing americans for exercising their right to practice religion?

which party is constantly trying to silence the other side? preventing them from speaking on college campuses, censoring them from social
media?

which party said that those speaking about hunters laptop ( which we KNOW was legit) were acting as russian agents?

which side says that every single person who disagrees with them about anything, is a hatemongwr and a racist?

let me guess…it’s ok when democrats do it.

you’re saying that republicans want a large federal government, not democrats. whew.
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Republicans:
We can’t ban guns, banning never works. Regulation will never work either.

Also Republicans:
Gay kids- regulate em
Abortion- ban it
Women- regulate em
Muslim immigrants- ban em
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Republicans:
We can’t ban guns, banning never works. Regulation will never work either.

Also Republicans:
Gay kids- regulate em
Abortion- ban it
Women- regulate em
Muslim immigrants- ban em
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let me get this straight.

the republicans want to prevent democrats from ignoring the constitution and banning guns. the democrats want to pretend the second amendment exists, the op wants the feds to obey the constitution.

and that makes the gop the party of big government?
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If you want to claim that the Constitution should be envisioned as seen by the founders, you probably shouldn’t use gun rights as a hat rack.
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If you want to claim that the Constitution should be envisioned as seen by the founders, you probably shouldn’t use gun rights as a hat rack.
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what i’m claiming, is that it’s funny to say that the party that wants to keep the federal government limited by the constitution, they’re the authoritarians.

and you’re saying the party that wants the federal government to be able to decide when the constitution applies and when it doesn’t, they’re the party of an unobtrusive federal government.

sound crazy?
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Sure, for you like McConnell, whatever you need to do to advance your power and your party’s power right now is your definition of morality.
Sad
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Sure, for you like McConnell, whatever you need to do to advance your power and your party’s power right now is your definition of morality.
Sad
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i’m the one saying no one can supercede the constitution. you’re saying democrats should be able to decide when the constitution applies and when it doesn’t.

you want the government to have control. i want the government to be a servant of the constitution. you’re the one who wants massively powerful federal government.

again, you’re some combination of stupid, lying, and crazy.
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i’m the one saying no one can supercede the constitution. you’re saying democrats should be able to decide when the constitution applies and when it doesn’t.

you want the government to have control. i want the government to be a servant of the constitution. you’re the one who wants massively powerful federal government.

again, you’re some combination of stupid, lying, and crazy.
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Tell me all about the Constitution and the rule of law

The former president's son and the former president's chief of staff and the former president's longtime political advisors and the former president's deputy attorney general all conspired to overturn an election to keep that former president in power? Got it.
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The average fine for rape in Texas is $10,000.

The bail for having an abortion is $500,000.
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Tricky Pete is playing with numbers.

Wow, Texas only fines people for rape? No jail time? Actually, for rape the fine is added to jail time of up to 99 years if convicted.

Any jail time for getting an abortion in Texas? Apparently not. Texas law allows civil suits against providers and abettors of abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. But not against the person getting the abortion. The Texas women in question here is being charged with murder. Perhaps that's the reason for the high bail amount and the possibility of jail time. Not all cases are given the same bail costs.

direction toward authoritarian centralization of government


we all know its not Dems leading the country down this road


“Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties,”


what Party is doing this ... :thanks:

Actually, the law being questioned by the words in your quote, and were spoken by the man who signed bill into law, is not about centralizing government. It weakens the central governments power, dispersing it to the states, if the SCOTUS lets it stand. It is a STATE law, not a federal law.

That is not to say that Republicans have not supported Progressive policies, or not tried to pass unconstitutional laws. Republicans have done far less Progressive destruction of the Constitution then Democrats, and are far more likely than the Democrats to oppose the centralization of political power and growth of the federal government at the expense of the states. And Democrats are far more into the grips of Progressivism than Republicans. So it is that old bugbear of the lesser of two evils.

Tell me all about the Constitution and the rule of law

The former president's son and the former president's chief of staff and the former president's longtime political advisors and the former president's deputy attorney general all conspired to overturn an election to keep that former president in power? Got it.
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and congressional
democrats also tried to overturn a fair election in 2016.

why do you only care when the republicans did it?

if you could
just answer that very simple question, it would explain so much.
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Tell me all about the Constitution and the rule of law

The former president's son and the former president's chief of staff and the former president's longtime political advisors and the former president's deputy attorney general all conspired to overturn an election to keep that former president in power? Got it.
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so according to you, the gop is the party that wants big federal government, and TX is soft on crime.

You say so…
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Pete, you said TX fines people
$10k for sex crimes, but as detbuch has said, you left out the part that the fine accompanies jail sentences of 5 to 99 years.

How come you left that part out?

When you cherry luck like this, your exclusions always magically help democrats. one might almost think you’re lying intentionally in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that a disappointing election isn’t around the corner

https://www.nedbarnett.com/what-are-the-average-sentences-for-texas-sex-crimes/
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and congressional
democrats also tried to overturn a fair election in 2016.

why do you only care when the republicans did it?

if you could
just answer that very simple question, it would explain so much.
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One president’s son, Don jr, texted the WHCoS a strategy for illegally overturning an election to keep his father in office.

Another president’s son (Hunter Biden) is under investig for tax fraud related to various business deals of his own.

These are not equivalent.
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Pete, you said TX fines people
$10k for sex crimes, but as detbuch has said, you left out the part that the fine accompanies jail sentences of 5 to 99 years.

How come you left that part out?

When you cherry luck like this, your exclusions always magically help democrats. one might almost think you’re lying intentionally in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that a disappointing election isn’t around the corner

https://www.nedbarnett.com/what-are-the-average-sentences-for-texas-sex-crimes/
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Welcome to Christo fascism it’s the evangelical version of the Taliban. Ladies, are you ready to be pushed back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant? Say goodbye to any rights earned over the years.

“Fundamentalist” “Evangelical” and “Catholic” American Churches have become “Political Organizations,” and are not “Religious Organizations” when they condone “incarceration of Americans defying their religious philosophies.”

There’s a woman charged with murder for an abortion.
Will they next charge any woman who has a miscarriage, who will decide?
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One president’s son, Don jr, texted the WHCoS a strategy for illegally overturning an election to keep his father in office.

Another president’s son (Hunter Biden) is under investig for tax fraud related to various business deals of his own.

These are not equivalent.
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so you can only discuss things that are exactly equivalent?

what’s next? is the gop the party of high taxes?

what about congressional
democrats trying to nullify the 2016 election to get what they wanted?

all recent presidents and their families are going to get rich. that’s not a huge story. the story with Hunter is the way the media intentionally covered it up to help biden win. no one disputed that

we don’t have an independent media like we need. foxnews is rooting for republicans, everyone else is rooting for democrats.


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Actually, the law being questioned by the words in your quote, and were spoken by the man who signed bill into law, is not about centralizing government. It weakens the central governments power, dispersing it to the states, if the SCOTUS lets it stand. It is a STATE law, not a federal law.

That is not to say that Republicans have not supported Progressive policies, or not tried to pass unconstitutional laws. Republicans have done far less Progressive destruction of the Constitution then Democrats, and are far more likely than the Democrats to oppose the centralization of political power and growth of the federal government at the expense of the states. And Democrats are far more into the grips of Progressivism than Republicans. So it is that old bugbear of the lesser of two evils.

No the quote was from a judge who issued a stay.

Then you have Texas woman charged with murder for ‘self-induced abortion’

How would government be aware of a self induced abortion?

I doubt progressivism is as dangerous as your suggesting

I saw this

Modern conservatives don’t fear technology, they oppose new technologies that harm their friends. Put simply: renewable energy is a threat to the mining industry,oil and gas industry
Make perfect sense

Their against Gays and abortion and Transgenders . Again because they think it harms their base who are Heavily White, Religious and They prefer authoritarianism to democracy
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No the quote was from a judge who issued a stay.

Then you have Texas woman charged with murder for ‘self-induced abortion’

How would government be aware of a self induced abortion?

I doubt progressivism is as dangerous as your suggesting

I saw this

Modern conservatives don’t fear technology, they oppose new technologies that harm their friends. Put simply: renewable energy is a threat to the mining industry,oil and gas industry
Make perfect sense

Their against Gays and abortion and Transgenders . Again because they think it harms their base who are Heavily White, Religious and They prefer authoritarianism to democracy
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conservatives don’t oppose green. energy. we oppose stupid policies. today, it’s stupid to not use our natural resources we’ve been blessed with. if we don’t produce our own gas, we have to buy it from some terrible places. so it doesn’t help the environment, it just strengthens the worst countries in the planet.

what’s the upside to that? what’s the upside to the US buying oil from russia and OPEC instead of getting it here? please explain?
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so you can only discuss things that are exactly equivalent?

what’s next? is the gop the party of high taxes?

what about congressional
democrats trying to nullify the 2016 election to get what they wanted?

all recent presidents and their families are going to get rich. that’s not a huge story. the story with Hunter is the way the media intentionally covered it up to help biden win. no one disputed that

we don’t have an independent media like we need. foxnews is rooting for republicans, everyone else is rooting for democrats.


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Not too many years from now, few people will remember Hunter Biden.

But as long as America stands, and perhaps even longer, people will remember the former guy was impeached twice and tried to end our constitutional democracy. And the legal system isn't even done with him yet.
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Fox News is rooting for Republicans?

Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News sells fear.

Fox & the Republicans work together, and relentlessly hype phantom menaces.

GOPs platform is tax cuts for the rich, low wages for the working class and middle class, and corporations can wreck the environment for profit.

2010 Death panels are coming
BE AFRAID
2014 Sharia law is coming
BE AFRAID
2018 Caravans are coming
BE AFRAID
2022 Critical race theory is coming
BE AFRAID
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conservatives don’t oppose green. energy. we oppose stupid policies. today, it’s stupid to not use our natural resources we’ve been blessed with. if we don’t produce our own gas, we have to buy it from some terrible places. so it doesn’t help the environment, it just strengthens the worst countries in the planet.

what’s the upside to that? what’s the upside to the US buying oil from russia and OPEC instead of getting it here? please explain?
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Are you proposing we get rid of the Jones Act?
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Not too many years from now, few people will remember Hunter Biden.

But as long as America stands, and perhaps even longer, people will remember the former guy was impeached twice and tried to end our constitutional democracy. And the legal system isn't even done with him yet.
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people
won’t remember much about hunter i agree. that’s because there are 35 bigger Biden flops/disasters/policy failures that people will remember.
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No the quote was from a judge who issued a stay.

The Associated Press and CNN disagree with you. They both quote Idaho's Governor Little as saying the words you quoted.

From the AP: When he signed the bill, Idaho’s governor noted his concerns with the legislation.

“Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties,” Little wrote.

From CNN: Idaho Republican Gov. Brad Little, who suggested that the law was likely to be found unconstitutional. Even as he signed the bill into law last week, Little raised concerns that the "novel civil enforcement mechanism will in short order be proven both unconstitutional and unwise."
"Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties," Little said in a statement accompanying the signing.

Then you have Texas woman charged with murder for ‘self-induced abortion’

I mentioned that in response to Pete F. And now the charges against her have been dropped.

How would government be aware of a self induced abortion?

Government would have to reveal and prove that at trial.

doubt progressivism is as dangerous as your suggesting

It's not "dangerous" to Progressives. Perhaps you're a Progressive.

I saw this

Modern conservatives don’t fear technology, they oppose new technologies that harm their friends. Put simply: renewable energy is a threat to the mining industry,oil and gas industry
Make perfect sense

I don't see evidence that they oppose renewable energy. They talk about cost differentials, feasability, getting totally rid of a current form before a new form is ready to totally displace it, depending on the still needed current form from foreign sources instead of American production, etc.

Their against Gays and abortion and Transgenders . Again because they think it harms their base who are Heavily White, Religious and They prefer authoritarianism to democracy
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They're not "against" Gays and Transgenders. They oppose special rights for them, especially when those special rights infringe on everyone else's rights.

They oppose most abortions, not all, on princpal, not because they are "Heavily white, Religious and prefer authoritarianism to democracy. Blacks are as much against Gays and Transgenders as are whites. Maybe more so. And Blacks are probably more religious than whites. And blacks are at least as authoritarian as whites, in my opinion more so.

And democracy has nothing to do with the oppositions and preferences. Authoritarians, as in every country including ours, can be and are elected. A democracy allows authoritarians to gain control and shape a country and destroy the very system that got them elected. A constitutional democratic republic, can guard against that IF THE CONSTITUTION IS FOLLOWED AND NOT INTERPRETED INTO OBLIVION.

Progressive political philosophy and ultimate agenda is to replace our Constitutional order with a totally dominant system of permanent and unelected regulatory agencies run by "experts" that control every aspect of our lives. Whatever "democracy" remains in their governmental system will be a centrally controlled "expert" elite that competes with itself for power and from which our "candidates" come.

what are the details of the plan? who was involved?

i don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police. and after the 2016 election, some congressional democrats am challenged the legitimacy of election results in some states with no evidence ( as always. it’s ok when they do it). but it was never going to happen. it could not happen.
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Someone put those Donald Trump junior text messages on Hunter Biden’s laptop so Republicans will see them.
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don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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you’re saying no one on the left wants to abolish law enforcement as we know it? nobody suggested that?

let’s see who’s chugging kool
aid, and who can think for himself. i keep asking this very simple question, you and pete repeatedly refuse to answer.

I think the left is 100% correct on some big policy issues ( gay marriage, death penalty, need for some improved gun laws, and right to health insurance that covers pre existing conditions, which was a great and kind idea.)

now, please go ahead and tell us which big policy issues you completely agree with conservatives on? Give me some big policy issues in which you think
liberals are 100% wrong.

i can criticize my side, because no group of tens of millions of people
is perfect. i can be honest about that. i can do it immediately and honestly.

You guys can’t. And your silence speaks volumes.
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don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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Here’s an opinion ed from the New York Times, titled, “Yes We Literally Mean Abolish The Police.”

I’m not chugging kool
aid. There are those in the left who were calling for this.

you’re chugging the kool
aid, because you won’t admit what the NYT is publishing. Don’t take my word for it, just read the op ed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.amp.html
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don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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and a CNN piece, saying that it was politically stupid for liberals to call for abolishing the police. Meaning, according to CNN, there were liberals calling for exactly that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/05/politics/defund-the-police-democrats/index.html
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If Mnuchin got $1 billion from the Saudi’s

And Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudi’s

What did Trump get?
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If Mnuchin got $1 billion from the Saudi’s

And Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudi’s

What did Trump get?
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let’s find out.

can we also make sure the biden’s didn’t break any laws in amassing Hunters fortune?
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let’s find out.

can we also make sure the biden’s didn’t break any laws in amassing Hunters fortune?
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If you believe Hunter Biden should be under investigation, then you should also want to see a full investigation into an attempted coup against our country. You’re either for or against the rule of law.
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Saudi crown prince bragged that Jared Kushner gave him CIA intelligence about other Saudis saying 'here are your enemies' days before 'corruption crackdown' which led to torture and death
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If you believe Hunter Biden should be under investigation, then you should also want to see a full investigation into an attempted coup against our country. You’re either for or against the rule of law.
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i’ve said 100 times we should
investigate january 6. So I’m not sure what you’re referring to. as usual.

you’re the nine who applies the law selectively depending on the political party involved.

the gop is taking the house, then we’ll get a hunter investigation.
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i’ve said 100 times we should
investigate january 6. So I’m not sure what you’re referring to. as usual.

you’re the nine who applies the law selectively depending on the political party involved.

the gop is taking the house, then we’ll get a hunter investigation.
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As the Trump rallies get smaller, the loyalists get more desperate.
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As the Trump rallies get smaller, the loyalists get more desperate.
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i’m a trump loyalist? I’m praying he never runs again..

It’s the thoughtless liberal zombies who are getting desperate, as even cnn and msnbc are admitting the shellacking that is likely.

all your side can do, is use scare tactics, talk about trump and january 6th and make claims that nobody will be allowed to vote again if the gop takes the house.

People won’t be thinking about those things when they spent $90 to fill their car with gas, or $6 a pound for ground beef.

your lies are getting more deranged and constant. you’re the desperate one, trying to convince even yourself of something you know isn’t true.

why the heck would i feel
desperate about politics right now? it can’t be going any better for the gop, it’s not possible. Republicans are unbelievably confident right now, absolutely zero reason to be desperate. The GOP motto for the midterms should simply be, “had enough?”. it’s unbelievable what a horrible job they’ve done, both at the state and the federal level, with covid, crime, inflation, covid testing, gas, immigration, doing absolutely nothing about drugs, etc…it’s not all the democrats fault, but they run the show, so they own it. they haven’t failed at everything of course (covid vaccines, infastructure if it works, jobs, stock market - for now), but they’ve blown a lot of big things. because their ideas are just bad. they’re just bad ideas in some cases. how many times does “tax and spend” liberalism need to fail, exactly, before the left can conclude it fails? ideology is way more important to them than results. most americans don’t think that way.

maybe you shouldn’t have nominated an incompetent, not-so-nice, not very accomplished, dementia patient to be potus. but you did.

You made the bed, time to lie in it.
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and a CNN piece, saying that it was politically stupid for liberals to call for abolishing the police. Meaning, according to CNN, there were liberals calling for exactly that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/05/politics/defund-the-police-democrats/index.html
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Only the right and the farthest to the left ever thought defunding the police were suggesting getting rid of the police .

They got you chasing a red dot like a cat they’ve done it with CRT Transgenders oil leases Grooming children Hunter , masks , open borders the list of manufactured outrage is endless
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and a CNN piece, saying that it was politically stupid for liberals to call for abolishing the police. Meaning, according to CNN, there were liberals calling for exactly that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/05/politics/defund-the-police-democrats/index.html
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Only the right and the farthest to the left ever thought defunding the police were suggesting getting rid of the police .

They got you and every other faux conservatives chasing a red dot like a cat they’ve done it with CRT Transgenders oil leases Grooming children Hunter , masks , open borders stolen election big Tech , abortion guns green energy AoC the squad. the list of manufactured outrage is endless . And repeated every election cycle it’s amazing to watch
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^^^^wayne is in such deep denial he's posting duplicate for emphasis...

Jim get off the kook aid !

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that's a new one.....

^^^^wayne is in such deep denial he's posting duplicate for emphasis...

that’s a good one.

but the denial is very deep with him and pete.
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Only the right and the farthest to the left ever thought defunding the police were suggesting getting rid of the police .

They got you chasing a red dot like a cat they’ve done it with CRT Transgenders oil leases Grooming children Hunter , masks , open borders the list of manufactured outrage is endless
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i posted a NYT op-ed that very clearly said they wanted to abolish the police.

But to your point, just about everyone in the left, paints police with a very unfair brush. almost no one in the left, will speak to the true causes ( and therefore actual
solutions) to crime. the left will only say what helps them win, and when it comes to life in the cities, that’s been a disaster for those who live there. The left is wrong about how bad things are, they’re wrong about the causes, and therefore not offering any solutions. giving cash to poor people and making them hate whites might help liberals win elections, but it obviously isn’t helping the people who live there.
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Trumplicans uphold the rule of law

31 South Dakota Republicans vote in favor of their state’s attorney general killing a pedestrian with his car and then lying about it.
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Trumplicans uphold the rule of law

31 South Dakota Republicans vote in favor of their state’s attorney general killing a pedestrian with his car and then lying about it.
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how many prominent democrats took big money from harvey weinstein.
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how many prominent democrats took big money from harvey weinstein.
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Perhaps you could elucidate on that
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Perhaps you could elucidate on that
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so you’re not aware of any?
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Well the story about Will Smith was in the news longer than a Supreme Court Justice's wife trying to steal a democratic election.

Oh and Will Smith faced more consequences too.
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Well the story about Will Smith was in the news longer than a Supreme Court Justice's wife trying to steal a democratic election.

Oh and Will Smith faced more consequences too.
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and yet you won’t comment on congressional democrats trying to steal a democratic election in 2016.

why is that?

your opposition to trying to steal fair elections, is politically selective. Which means it’s fake.

if you’re ok with democrats trying to steal elections after the fact, you don’t get to cry when republicans try to do it.
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Well the story about Will Smith was in the news longer than a Supreme Court Justice's wife trying to steal a democratic election.

Oh and Will Smith faced more consequences too.
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oh, yiu keep harping about the insulin bill.

i’m addition to calling prices of insulin, the bill also gave the feds a lot more control on setting prices of other drugs. that’s the provision that republicans mostly objected to.

you’re being extremely and consistently dishonest about such things.
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oh, yiu keep harping about the insulin bill.

i’m addition to calling prices of insulin, the bill also gave the feds a lot more control on setting prices of other drugs. that’s the provision that republicans mostly objected to.

you’re being extremely and consistently dishonest about such things.
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WE pay by far the highest prices in the world for medical care with far from the best results.
Why?
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WE pay by far the highest prices in the world for medical care with far from the best results.
Why?
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And why doesn't the gov. use it's massive purchasing power to neg. lower prices like govs. do in the rest of the world?

WE pay by far the highest prices in the world for medical care with far from the best results.
Why?
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Please list the places which have the "best results", and compare the racial diversity of those places, with the racial diversity of America.

It's a little easier to achieve good health care results in a small country thats 90% racially homogeneous.

We have 330 million people, we are racially diverse, and we have a wide open southern border. Those things have consequences.

Yea, it’s the brown people
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Yea, it’s the brown people
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it’s the fact that the US allows huge numbers of penniless, unskilled people in. many other countries don’t do that.
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No we don’t have the highest percentage of immigrants
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It's a little easier to achieve good health care results in a small country thats 90% racially homogeneous.


You need to post a link for this suggestion
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No we don’t have the highest percentage of immigrants
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I never said we did. Read what I wrote.

This is what you constantly do. I post something, then you claim I posted some extreme, nonsensical gibberish.

here's what I posted - "the US allows huge numbers of penniless, unskilled people in. many other countries don’t do that."

How could you possibly go from there, to "we have the highest percentage of immigrants"?

You're always responding to something I didn't come close to saying...

It's a little easier to achieve good health care results in a small country thats 90% racially homogeneous.


You need to post a link for this suggestion
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Pete said other countries have "batter results". I've asked him several times for a list of those countries, and strangely he refuses to provide it, unless I missed it.

Why do you think he made the claim, then won't provide the list?

Liberals like to point to Scandanavia of how we should be. I'm assuming that's what he was referring to, I could be wrong. Those countries have a lot of oil which they don't ignore like we do, and they don't let in millions and millions of unskilled immigrants.

We're a huge country that has a massive and wide-open border with Mexico. You need to take that into account when you compare our results to other countries.

Feel free to google healthcare costs, results and immigrant populations in the top twenty countries.
The USA is consistently falling behind while increasing cost per capita
It’s not the “brown people”
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Feel free to google healthcare costs, results and immigrant populations in the top twenty countries.
The USA is consistently falling behind while increasing cost per capita
It’s not the “brown people”
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It's not?

You're saying whites aren't generally healthier in the US, than blacks and Hispanics? Because if they are healthier, than it is indeed non-whites who keep the results from being better.

It's cultural. Liberalism keeps these people alive, but in horrific situations, and you almost have to believe it's blatantly intentional. Liberalism increases dependency on welfare, robs them of the innate desire to thrive, causes insane rates of fatherlessness, coddles drug users, etc...All kinds of negative health effects from that culture.

I never said we did. Read what I wrote.

This is what you constantly do. I post something, then you claim I posted some extreme, nonsensical gibberish.

here's what I posted - "the US allows huge numbers of penniless, unskilled people in. many other countries don’t do that."

How could you possibly go from there, to "we have the highest percentage of immigrants"?

You're always responding to something I didn't come close to saying...

Trump derangement syndrome will do that to some people.

Pretty telling when you say that brown people “ You're saying whites aren't generally healthier in the US, than blacks and Hispanics? Because if they are healthier, than it is indeed non-whites who keep the results from being better.”
And the reason is “liberals”
Pretty much fits what the rest of the Aryan Brotherhood claims
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Pretty telling when you say that brown people “ You're saying whites aren't generally healthier in the US, than blacks and Hispanics? Because if they are healthier, than it is indeed non-whites who keep the results from being better.”
And the reason is “liberals”
Pretty much fits what the rest of the Aryan Brotherhood claims
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Tell me what I said, which is incorrect.

Are whites not generally healthier than hispanics and blacks? Yes or no?

I'm not saying that's good. I'm saying that's the current reality.

Do you disagree?

Back to the coup

Newly uncovered texts show Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) begging the Trump White House for talking points to justify stealing the election in November 2020: “Please give me something to work with. I just need to know what I should be saying. Please tell me what I should be saying.”
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Tell me what I said, which is incorrect.

Are whites not generally healthier than hispanics and blacks? Yes or no?

I'm not saying that's good. I'm saying that's the current reality.

Do you disagree?

Now you’re claiming that there’s a factual basis for critical race theory?
Or it’s genetic?
Maybe phrenology?
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Now you’re claiming that there’s a factual basis for critical race theory?
Or it’s genetic?
Maybe phrenology?


No, it's because of cultural life style differences. Middle class blacks that have similar life styles in food, etc. to middle class whites have fairly the same results as the whites.

Lower class whites that have similar life styles in diet etc. to lower class blacks have similar health outcomes to the Blacks.

If you claim that cultural lifestyles are "systems" or "systemic" than there is a systemic reason for different levels of health . . . and it's not race based.

Now you’re claiming that there’s a factual basis for critical race theory?
Or it’s genetic?
Maybe phrenology?
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Ok, I asked you three times if whites are generally healthier than non whites in the US, you won't answer. Because in addition to being a lunatic and a liar, you're an unbelievable coward.

Add me to the long, long list of people who will ignore you.

Think hard about John's supposition if you need help.

Ok, I asked you three times if whites are generally healthier than non whites in the US, you won't answer. Because in addition to being a lunatic and a liar, you're an unbelievable coward.

Add me to the long, long list of people who will ignore you.

Think hard about John's supposition if you need help.

Even Detbuch didn’t agree with your assessment that it’s black peoples fault.
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Back to the coup

Newly uncovered texts show Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) begging the Trump White House for talking points to justify stealing the election in November 2020: “Please give me something to work with. I just need to know what I should be saying. Please tell me what I should be saying.”
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Another Republican

“If POTUS allows this to occur... we’re driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic...”
That’s a text from Rep. Chip Roy (R-Tex.) to Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows in the days before Congress was going to certify Biden’s win.


Roy argued in texts that Trump’s attempts to overturn his loss on Jan. 6 was undemocratic. “We’re driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic,” he said. It’s the same argument the Jan. 6 committee is making now.

Seeing I agree with these 2 Republicans they must be rinos
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Another Republican

“If POTUS allows this to occur... we’re driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic...”
That’s a text from Rep. Chip Roy (R-Tex.) to Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows in the days before Congress was going to certify Biden’s win.


Roy argued in texts that Trump’s attempts to overturn his loss on Jan. 6 was undemocratic. “We’re driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic,” he said. It’s the same argument the Jan. 6 committee is making now.

Seeing I agree with these 2 Republicans they must be rinos
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so why was it ok for maxine waters and a few other congressional democrats, to try to overturn Trumps 2016 win in some states, in their attempt to give the 2016 win to hilary? there was zero evidence of wrongdoing in those states, but they tried. Even Joe Biden told them to stop, he said the 2016 election was over. He was right.

i think what trump did was awful. i think what the congressional
democrats did was awful. i think it’s awful when any of our representatives try to overturn our votes

you only think it’s awful when republicans do it. which means your outrage is politically selective, which means it’s fake.
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it’s the fact that the US allows huge numbers of penniless, unskilled people in.

How many of them are vaccinated 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

How many of them are vaccinated 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Jen Psaki said that doesn’t matter, because they aren’t here for very long. she actually said that.

there’s no talking to these people, it’s not possible.
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John Eastman is the father of the fraudulent electors scheme.

Twenty years ago, before SCOTUS stepped in, the Florida GOP was planning to use it to nullify their citizens' votes if Al Gore won the election.

And Eastman was helping them plan it.
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Even Detbuch didn’t agree with your assessment that it’s black peoples fault.
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Ahh . . . Control Your Own Body Pete is still up to his old bag of tricks. This time dredging up the Expanding the Particular Into the General ploy. It's not ALL black peoples fault. Only the Backs who choose an unhealthy life style. As Jim said, its a cultural phenomenon that many, if not most, Blacks choose. Those Blacks who don't choose that unhealthy style are not at fault.

To sum it up in a way you might better understand, those who control their own body in an unhealthy way, tend to be more unhealthy than those who control their own body in a healthy way.

Overall, on average, blacks choose to control their own bodies in unhealthy ways more than whites.

Ahh . . . Control Your Own Body Pete is still up to his old bag of tricks. This time dredging up the Expanding the Particular Into the General ploy. It's not ALL black peoples fault. Only the Backs who choose an unhealthy life style. As Jim said, its a cultural phenomenon that many, if not most, Blacks choose. Those Blacks who don't choose that unhealthy style are not at fault.

To sum it up in a way you might better understand, those who control their own body in an unhealthy way, tend to be more unhealthy than those who control their own body in a healthy way.

Overall, on average, blacks choose to control their own bodies in unhealthy ways more than whites.

Oh, so you agree that it’s brown peoples fault we can’t have nice things and liberals made them do it
If only we’d listened to Bob Jones

“If we would just listen to the Word of God and not try to overthrow God’s established order, we would not have any trouble. God never meant for America to be a melting pot to rub out the line between the nations. That was not God’s purpose for this nation.“
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Ahh . . . Control Your Own Body Pete is still up to his old bag of tricks. This time dredging up the Expanding the Particular Into the General ploy. It's not ALL black peoples fault. Only the Backs who choose an unhealthy life style. As Jim said, its a cultural phenomenon that many, if not most, Blacks choose. Those Blacks who don't choose that unhealthy style are not at fault.

To sum it up in a way you might better understand, those who control their own body in an unhealthy way, tend to be more unhealthy than those who control their own body in a healthy way.

Overall, on average, blacks choose to control their own bodies in unhealthy ways more than whites.

FFS, he’s still
denying that blacks are less healthy than whites?
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Oh, so you agree that it’s brown peoples fault we can’t have nice things and liberals made them do it
If only we’d listened to Bob Jones

“If we would just listen to the Word of God and not try to overthrow God’s established order, we would not have any trouble. God never meant for America to be a melting pot to rub out the line between the nations. That was not God’s purpose for this nation.“
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Can you point out where I said anything is the fault of an entire group of people of any color? (Again, you're stuck in your expansion of the particular into the general trick--immediately after I exposed your use of it!!!) I did no such thing.

Nor did I mention Bob Jones or God. That was resorting to another of your old tricks--responding to something I didn't say.

Get it together, man . . . if you want to have an intelligent, coherent, conversation. I take that back. I shouldn't have suggested it. You are not interested in such conversations on this forum. You have TDS, and, as well, are stricken with the critical theory disorder which sees "conservatism" as a sure path to tyranny and so must not be given the time or space to give its opinion. And must use any means necessary to discredit or destroy it, including lying and distorting.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) worked furiously to overturn the 2020 election and keep President Donald Trump in power before ultimately abandoning the effort when no evidence of widespread fraud surfaced and his outreach to states for alternate electors proved futile,
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Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) worked furiously to overturn the 2020 election and keep President Donald Trump in power before ultimately abandoning the effort when no evidence of widespread fraud surfaced and his outreach to states for alternate electors proved futile,
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Reps Payapal, Shelia Jackson Lee and maxine waters worked hard to hand the 2016 election to Hilary.

Waters is now busy diverting campaign money to her daughter. If she were a republican, you’d be upset by that.
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Reps Payapal, Shelia Jackson Lee and maxine waters worked hard to hand the 2016 election to Hilary.

Waters is now busy diverting campaign money to her daughter. If she were a republican, you’d be upset by that.
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Funny Jim your such a liar this isn't new

Progressive Connections, have received more than $1.2 million since 2003 wow over 19 years you are trying hard with fox for you Fax outrage


Is she doing anything illegal ? is she using her money for personal use?
or just being black is enough to upset you ?



and how did fox news get this outrage it was reported to Federal Election Commission campaign-related services. by waters as required by law ....


yet you didnt have a issue when Trump paid his daughter Ivanka $747,622 for 'consulting,' then deducted it from his taxes,

or Jared getting 2 billion from the saudis for HIS company 6 months after the election ... odd

Funny Jim your such a liar this isn't new

Progressive Connections, have received more than $1.2 million since 2003 wow over 19 years you are trying hard with fox for you Fax outrage


Is she doing anything illegal ? is she using her money for personal use?
or just being black is enough to upset you ?



and how did fox news get this outrage it was reported to Federal Election Commission campaign-related services. by waters as required by law ....


yet you didnt have a issue when Trump paid his daughter Ivanka $747,622 for 'consulting,' then deducted it from his taxes,

or Jared getting 2 billion from the saudis for HIS company 6 months after the election ... odd

so you’re upset when republicans get money, but not hunter
biden or maxine waters daughter.

you’re upset that trump
tried to undo an election, but not congressional democrats

everything is ok when
democrats do it, we get it already.

here’s the false equivalence, it’s a false equivalence to expect you to hold both sides to the equivalent standard.

Make. That. Wrong.
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Pretty easy to make it wrong

Jared Kushner sold classified intel to Mohammed Bin Salman for $2 Billion.
Kushner and his allies blocked top-level U.S. government support for MBS’s cousin, former Saudi Crown Prince MBN—a long-time intelligence and counter-terrorist asset for the U.S.—when MBN attempted a legal coup d’état in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 2017.

MBN believed he had enough support from the so-called “Council of Ministers” to back him in a regime change. If successful, both King Salman and MBS (then deputy crown prince) would have been unseated and replaced by MBN.

Kushner and his allies in the White House got word to MBS of bin Nayef’s plans, and the plot was abruptly stopped.

According to three sources with knowledge, it#^&was#^&this meddling in Saudi royal affairs that caused U.S. intelligence officials to go “apoplectic” and prevent Kushner from getting a top-level security clearance.

Jared Kushner basically handed the Saudis this information, thereby giving MBS the opportunity to kneecap his rival and get rid of him.

MBN has not been heard from since his arrest in March 2020, when he was imprisoned somewhere in Saudi Arabia.

Nowhere near equal
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Pretty easy to make it wrong

Jared Kushner sold classified intel to Mohammed Bin Salman for $2 Billion.
Kushner and his allies blocked top-level U.S. government support for MBS’s cousin, former Saudi Crown Prince MBN—a long-time intelligence and counter-terrorist asset for the U.S.—when MBN attempted a legal coup d’état in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 2017.

MBN believed he had enough support from the so-called “Council of Ministers” to back him in a regime change. If successful, both King Salman and MBS (then deputy crown prince) would have been unseated and replaced by MBN.

Kushner and his allies in the White House got word to MBS of bin Nayef’s plans, and the plot was abruptly stopped.

According to three sources with knowledge, it#^&was#^&this meddling in Saudi royal affairs that caused U.S. intelligence officials to go “apoplectic” and prevent Kushner from getting a top-level security clearance.

Jared Kushner basically handed the Saudis this information, thereby giving MBS the opportunity to kneecap his rival and get rid of him.

MBN has not been heard from since his arrest in March 2020, when he was imprisoned somewhere in Saudi Arabia.

Nowhere near equal
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Non mathematical equivalence and false equivalence doesn't necessarily require the exact same amount or degree of what is being compared, merely the same types of things are being compared.

Non mathematical equivalence and false equivalence doesn't necessarily require the exact same amount or degree of what is being compared, merely the same types of things are being compared.

Need a reason to never trust the GOP again? How about the entire Republican Party knowing about 1/6, and not a single one of them warning the FBI.
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Need a reason to never trust the GOP again? How about the entire Republican Party knowing about 1/6, and not a single one of them warning the FBI.
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The "entire" Republican Party! Including all those in state governments? Even Liz Cheney? Well, I don't trust her anyway. Like her dad when he went against his promise to get rid of Obamacare with his infamous and dramatic thumbs down.

I don't trust either party, except to renege on a lot of promises. Nor do I trust the FBI. I think one of the reasons we have elections is that it would be foolish to trust politicians and parties.

Which is a major reason why I want Progressivism and the Progressive Party to be defeated. The Progressive agenda is to regulate us by unelected administrators.

I do, however, have a cynical trust in the Progressives to faithfully carry out that mission.

The "entire" Republican Party! Including all those in state governments? Even Liz Cheney? Well, I don't trust her anyway. Like her dad when he went against his promise to get rid of Obamacare with his infamous and dramatic thumbs down.

I don't trust either party, except to renege on a lot of promises. Nor do I trust the FBI. I think one of the reasons we have elections is that it would be foolish to trust politicians and parties.

Which is a major reason why I want Progressivism and the Progressive Party to be defeated. The Progressive agenda is to regulate us by unelected administrators.

I do, however, have a cynical trust in the Progressives to faithfully carry out that mission.

Right-wingers are obsessed with FA Hayek's 1944 *theory* that welfare states inevitably expand to become totalitarian. Is there *any* case in which this actually happened since 1944? Arguably, Pinochet's Chile, but this was an authoritarian effort to stop socialism.
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Right-wingers are obsessed with FA Hayek's 1944 *theory* that welfare states inevitably expand to become totalitarian. Is there *any* case in which this actually happened since 1944? Arguably, Pinochet's Chile, but this was an authoritarian effort to stop socialism.
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China is a welfare state. Centralization of power may not inevitably become totalitarian. It already is at least authoritarian. Which is well on its way to becoming totalitarian, given human nature and the lust for power. A lust that is inherent in both despots and do-gooders.

There are variations of the so-called "welfare state." In my opinion, it is far better to have a state in which there are multiple centers of power that are more directly responsible to the will of their people, and in which the people can easily remove their elected leaders when they trespass what our constitutional system calls inalienable rights. If the people prefer the state's power over and determination of their welfare, then they have an optimistic view of the continued welfare and rights granted by authoritarians. I prefer to have the option to live in a state that protects inalienable rights than in one that grants what rights we have.

https://rumble.com/v112t8q-the-missing-january-6th-tapes-revealed.html




Nothing to see here.
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https://rumble.com/v112t8q-the-missing-january-6th-tapes-revealed.html




Nothing to see here.
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Yet, as the DOJ hunts down legitimate peaceful protesters from that day

Keep convincing yourself they were legitimate peaceful protesters

Your sources history

Representative Devin Nunes accused YouTube of being overly censorious toward his channel and began posting his videos on Rumble. Other prominent conservatives, such as Dinesh D’Souza, Dan Bongino, Sean Hannity, and Representative Jim Jordan, soon followed.[3][9][10] Former US President Donald Trump officially joined Rumble on June 26, 2021, in preparation for recording his Ohio campaign rally.[11]

A lot of Rumble's traffic is referred from Parler.[12] Using data from February 2021, researchers studying conspiracy theories and misinformation about COVID-19 noted that several content creators have gained a receptive audience on Rumble after their productions have been pulled from YouTube or Facebook

Keep your head in the bubble
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Yet, as the DOJ hunts down legitimate peaceful protesters from that day

Keep convincing yourself they were legitimate peaceful protesters



You keep convincing yourself what your liberal media feeds you and also hides from you.
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You keep convincing yourself what your liberal media feeds you and also hides from you.
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Iam not the conspiracy theorist here but keep up the good work..
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Iam not the conspiracy theorist here but keep up the good work..
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It is convenient for you to label anything that runs counter to what you believe, or want to believe, a conspiracy theory (concocting your own conspiracies?).

I saw no theory, conspiracy or otherwise, in Raider's video. On the Capitol Building official government videos, the Capitol police appeared more to be welcoming the protesters rather than blocking or stopping them.

It is convenient for you to label anything that runs counter to what you believe, or want to believe, a conspiracy theory (concocting your own conspiracies?).

I saw no theory, conspiracy or otherwise, in Raider's video. On the Capitol Building official government videos, the Capitol police appeared more to be welcoming the protesters rather than blocking or stopping them.




I’ve seen plenty of those videos but like magic they disappear thanks to the liberal corrupt media covering for them.

These liberals that post daily on this forum would rather cut off their heads & bleed to death rather than admit they are wrong.
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I had WRKO on all day at work that day of the so called Insurection.
Call after call from people that were there reported that Antifa & BLM members were mixed in with the crowd and instigating violence & destruction.

I’m just glad AOC wasn’t killed like she claimed she thought was going to happen……..
Even though she was no where near the place.
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I guess you can ignore what happened
There’s plenty of footage of the crowd, point out someone who you think is Antifa or BLM
Funny how that’s not happened

https://youtu.be/0pe241gW0dQ
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I had WRKO on all day at work that day of the so called Insurection.
Call after call from people that were there reported that Antifa & BLM members were mixed in with the crowd and instigating violence & destruction.

I’m just glad AOC wasn’t killed like she claimed she thought was going to happen……..
Even though she was no where near the place.
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so what you are saying is you had WRKO on speed dial :kewl:

I’m just glad AOC wasn’t killed like she claimed she thought was going to happen……..
Even though she was no where near the place.
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Did she ever claim she was in the capital?

Did she ever claim she was in the capital?

Ron didn’t say she claimed to be in the capitol, but she did claim she was in danger

(CNN) When Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was barricaded inside her office during the Capitol insurrection on January 6, she not only feared that mob would kill her, but that she would be raped if the rioters found her.

"I didn't think that I was just going to be killed," Ocasio-Cortez told CNN's Dana Bash in "Being...AOC," the first episode of the new CNN series "Being..." that airs Monday night at 9 p.m. ET. "I thought other things were going to happen to me as well."
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I had WRKO on all day at work that day of the so called Insurection.
Call after call from people that were there reported that Antifa & BLM members were mixed in with the crowd and instigating violence & destruction.

I’m just glad AOC wasn’t killed like she claimed she thought was going to happen……..
Even though she was no where near the place.
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Of course and obviously Trump won the election and those damn plants caused all the trouble, you crack me up.

Ron didn’t say she claimed to be in the capitol, but she did claim she was in danger

(CNN) When Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was barricaded inside her office during the Capitol insurrection on January 6, she not only feared that mob would kill her, but that she would be raped if the rioters found her.

"I didn't think that I was just going to be killed," Ocasio-Cortez told CNN's Dana Bash in "Being...AOC," the first episode of the new CNN series "Being..." that airs Monday night at 9 p.m. ET. "I thought other things were going to happen to me as well."
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I looked it up. She said when she heard the banging on the door she thought the insurrectionist were coming for her. After a few min. she found out it was capital policeman.

Seems like Ronnie is dismissing what the trauma of a sexual assault victim would feel and is trying to insinuate she lied. I wonder why he even mentioned her or said "she was no where near the place" given she never claimed she was.

Ron didn’t dismiss anything and he didn’t insinuate anything. He stated exactly what she said, in her own words, that she was feeling at the time.

AOC is a Drama Queen, plain and simple
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I looked it up. She said when she heard the banging on the door she thought the insurrectionist were coming for her. After a few min. she found out it was capital policeman.

Seems like Ronnie is dismissing what the trauma of a sexual assault victim would feel and is trying to insinuate she lied. I wonder why he even mentioned her or said "she was no where near the place" given she never claimed she was.

if she said she thought the insurrectionists were going to rape her and murder her, that doesn’t imply that she’s claiming she was near the site of the insurrection? how can they kill her after doing other things to her, if she wasn’t there?

everyone wants to date her, she’s just that irresistible.

can’t you just say she misspoke? would it kill you to say that?

anything to be a victim.
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Ron didn’t dismiss anything and he didn’t insinuate anything. He stated exactly what she said, in her own words, that she was feeling at the time.

AOC is a Drama Queen, plain and simple
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He left out 99% of the story.

if she said she thought the insurrectionists were going to rape her and murder her, that doesn’t imply that she’s claiming she was near the site of the insurrection? how can they kill her after doing other things to her, if she wasn’t there?
no it doesn't. She was told to leave the office building. Why would they tell her to leave the office building if they didn't think there was some potential for harm?
everyone wants to date her, she’s just that irresistible.

can’t you just say she misspoke? How did she misspeak?would it kill you to say that?

anything to be a victim.
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Anything to dismiss a Dem? or anything to dismiss a sexual assault survivor?

Anything to dismiss a Dem? or anything to dismiss a sexual assault survivor?

“no it doesn’t.”

ok. so if i say i thought the 9/11 terrorists were going to get me, you wouldnt assume
i was claiming to be in NY or DC. And if it turned out i was camping in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge at the time, then as long as i was a democrat, you’d be ok with my story.

And i suppose you believe her abuela had a leaky roof too, and AOC with her multiple homes and new Tesla, wasn’t in a position to be able to do anything. Poor abuela.

no paul, not anything to dismiss a dem. just ones that are stupid, pathologically lying, perpetually victimized, woke marxist dipsh*ts. she fits the bill, and is leading a huge parade of democrat lemmings right off a cliff.

personally i love her and hope she stays in power for 50 years. better than a republican having that seat.
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“no it doesn’t.”

ok. so if i say i thought the 9/11 terrorists were going to get me, you wouldnt assume
i was claiming to be in NY or DC. And if it turned out i was camping in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge at the time, then as long as i was a democrat, you’d be ok with my story.So you think the distance from her office is comparable to the distance between WTC and DC? I know lots of people who worked in NY on 9/11 and they ALL were scared.

And i suppose you believe her abuela had a leaky roof too, and AOC with her multiple homes and new Tesla, wasn’t in a position to be able to do anything. Poor abuela.

no paul, not anything to dismiss a dem. just ones that are stupid, pathologically lying, perpetually victimized, woke marxist dipsh*ts. she fits the bill, and is leading a huge parade of democrat lemmings right off a cliff.

personally i love her and hope she stays in power for 50 years. better than a republican having that seat.
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So you can't say how she misspoke?

So you can't say how she misspoke?

i think she had no conceivable reason to think she was about to get the Cossack treatment. but you won’t question it, you cannot question it, because she has a D after her name.
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Like I said."Drama Queen"
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i think she had no conceivable reason to think she was about to get the Cossack treatment. but you won’t question it, you cannot question it, because she has a D after her name.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device i bet you have no idea what she said because you listen to right-wing media.

So again tell me how she misspoke?
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Like I said."Drama Queen"
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Speaking of AOC

Who else has seen the video supposedly that’s her blowing some dude ?
Naturally the liberal fact checkers say it’s not her or they say video is doctored but I don’t buy that.
Sure looks & sounds like her !
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Speaking of AOC

Who else has seen the video supposedly that’s her blowing some dude ?
Naturally the liberal fact checkers say it’s not her or they say video is doctored but I don’t buy that.
Sure looks & sounds like her !
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Lucky guy. :hihi:
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Lucky guy. :hihi:
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I actually agree
She sure knew what she was doing though at one point she says
“Don’t cum in my mouth daddy”
Just like a liberal.
She doesn’t finish the job !!!
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i bet you have no idea what she said because you listen to right-wing media.

So again tell me how she misspoke?
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she said she thought she was going to get killed after they did some things to her.

try to follow.

She. Wasn’t. There.

Maybe she was afraid it was her abuela knocking, asking for help
with her leaky roof. AOC, with her homes and new tesla, couldn’t help, so she blames Trump, racism, hate, blah, blah blah.

she’s wicked smaht.


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she said she thought she was going to get killed after they did some things to her.

try to follow.

She. Wasn’t. There.

Maybe she was afraid it was her abuela knocking, asking for help
with her leaky roof. AOC, with her homes and new tesla, couldn’t help, so she blames Trump, racism, hate, blah, blah blah.

she’s wicked smaht.


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You keep trying to get off the subject .


How about you try to follow. She said for a very short period of time when the guy was banging on the door and saying where is she, she was afraid. That is not miss speaking, that is being afraid. Her office is a short walk from the capitol and I think it's connected by a tunnel. The Capitol Police were worried enough that they told her to evacuate the building.
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You keep trying to get off the subject .


How about you try to follow. She said for a very short period of time when the guy was banging on the door and saying where is she, she was afraid. That is not miss speaking, that is being afraid. Her office is a short walk from the capitol and I think it's connected by a tunnel. The Capitol Police were worried enough that they told her to evacuate the building.
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i’m staying on subject, giving examples of outrageous tales she spins, all of which you sick up like a Hoover deluxe.

she’s a pathological liar.
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i’m staying on subject, giving examples of outrageous tales she spins, all of which you sick up like a Hoover deluxe.

she’s a pathological liar.
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so again you can't show me how she "mispoke".

Seems like you're the one (along with a few others) who sucked up the lies that are told.

And she's the drama queen - :laughs:

so again you can't show me how she "mispoke".

Seems like you're the one (along with a few others) who sucked up the lies that are told.

And she's the drama queen - :laughs:

i’ve said many times how she misspoke. she was never in any imminent danger, nothing to get traumatized over.

the cops took precautions and evacuated her. my doctor took precautions and told
me to drop 15 pounds, doesn’t mean it’s reasonable
for me to run out of there crying and screaming that i’m about to die.

if a cop is knocking on your office door, how does it takes a few minutes to figure out that’s it’s actually a cop, and not someone there to murder you?

everything is ok when democrats do it! in a few months we get to see what america thinks of that. might be a big thumbs down.

i’m sure incentivizing even more illegals to cross the border by sunsetting title 42 or whatever it’s called, will help. that’ll be a big help if we see a huge boost in crossings, because we all know that crossings are way too low right now.

and to top it all off, there’s quite possibly a recession around the corner.

had her abuela drowned yet from the leaky roof that she couldn’t help fix for some reason? and the. when math walsh raised more than enough to fix abuela’s roof, AOC refused the money, and there’s only one reason for that…she made it up, like she made this up. she’s crazy.
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i’ve said many times how she misspoke. she was never in any imminent danger, nothing to get traumatized over.

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And it is a wonder why Repub. have a reputation as misogynists.

Who are you to tell her that as a sexual assault survivor she shouldn't be scared when someone she doesn't know is banging on her door yelling "where is she, where is she". She said she only was scared for like 9 - 10 sec. until they figured out it was a cop.

And it is a wonder why Repub. have a reputation as misogynists.

Who are you to tell her that as a sexual assault survivor she shouldn't be scared when someone she doesn't know is banging on her door yelling "where is she, where is she". She said she only was scared for like 9 - 10 sec. until they figured out it was a cop.

And it's a wonder why liberals have a well-earned reputation of accusing everyone who dares to call them out for their nonsense, a bigot.

Not sire what her gender had to do with any of this.

Paul, are you saying it's necessarily sexist to criticize a woman? At least a liberal woman?

I really can't wait for November.

And it's a wonder why liberals have a well-earned reputation of accusing everyone who dares to call them out for their nonsense, a bigot.and I'm sure you think all the Rs lying about what she said for like 2-3 min. in a 1-2 hour interview aren't misogynists.

Not sire what her gender had to do with any of this.

Paul, are you saying it's necessarily sexist to criticize a woman? At least a liberal woman?not at all. Never said that.


But claiming she "mispoke" in this instance is totally wrong.

I really can't wait for November.

I know you ran away last year after the election but it was interesting to see that there was very little "bragging" by the Ds on this site talking about the election. From your frequently talking about this coming election and what you think will happen, I know that amount of bandwith "bragging" about the election will be multiples from last year.

Federal judge says Georgia voters can challenge Greene's reelection run

The challenge filed last month with the Georgia secretary of state's office alleges that Greene, a Republican, helped facilitate the Jan. 6, 2021, riot that disrupted Congress from certifying the election

That violates a rarely cited provision of the 14th Amendment and makes her ineligible to run for reelection, according to the challenge.





The Lawsuit seeks to keep GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene from running for reelection
The amendment says no one can serve in Congress "who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress . . . to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same."

Greene, 47, filed a lawsuit earlier this month asking a judge to declare that the law that the voters are using to challenge her eligibility is itself unconstitutional and to prohibit state officials from enforcing it.


But but AOC
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Federal judge says Georgia voters can challenge Greene's reelection run

The challenge filed last month with the Georgia secretary of state's office alleges that Greene, a Republican, helped facilitate the Jan. 6, 2021, riot that disrupted Congress from certifying the election

That violates a rarely cited provision of the 14th Amendment and makes her ineligible to run for reelection, according to the challenge.





The Lawsuit seeks to keep GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene from running for reelection
The amendment says no one can serve in Congress "who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress . . . to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same."

Greene, 47, filed a lawsuit earlier this month asking a judge to declare that the law that the voters are using to challenge her eligibility is itself unconstitutional and to prohibit state officials from enforcing it.


But but AOC
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Fine let’s dump green, AND admit that AOC is a dingbat.

Two things can be true at the same
time

Green isn’t the biggest problem in the world right now, either. but you brought her up for political reasons

You’d rather talk about Green than inflation or crime or immigration. But it’s ok when you bring up a politically useful distraction.

Green doesn’t have 1% of the clout in congress that AOC does. You challenged me support the notion that AOC is powerful, i provided links from CNN, ABC, CBS talking about how powerful AOC is. you never responded. couldn’t just admit what everyone knows, that yea she is powerful.

gotta protect that narrative.
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There's not a functioning brain cell between the 2 of them.

There's not a functioning brain cell between the 2 of them.

Not a one.

But the republicans in congress don’t bow down before Green and kiss her feet. Green isn’t wielding insane power like AOC is.
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Fine let’s dump green, AND admit that AOC is a dingbat.

Two things can be true at the same
time

Green isn’t the biggest problem in the world right now, either. but you brought her up for political reasons

You’d rather talk about Green than inflation or crime or immigration. But it’s ok when you bring up a politically useful distraction.

Green doesn’t have 1% of the clout in congress that AOC does. You challenged me support the notion that AOC is powerful, i provided links from CNN, ABC, CBS talking about how powerful AOC is. you never responded. couldn’t just admit what everyone knows, that yea she is powerful.

gotta protect that narrative.
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Jim you need to come back to reality

You’d rather talk about Green than inflation or crime or immigration. But it’s ok when you bring up a politically useful distraction.

Is this what this thread is about I guess I missed that part.

but you brought her up for political reasons

Really I just countered your unhealthy AOC fixation with greens crazy then you spew

Green doesn’t have 1% of the clout in congress that AOC does

Thank you for proof you have an un healthly fixation with AOC
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Well I guess after five, going on six, years of rampant TDS, you would know the symptoms of an "Unhealthy Fixation" :rolleyes:

Jim you need to come back to reality

You’d rather talk about Green than inflation or crime or immigration. But it’s ok when you bring up a politically useful distraction.

Is this what this thread is about I guess I missed that part.

but you brought her up for political reasons

Really I just countered your unhealthy AOC fixation with greens crazy then you spew

Green doesn’t have 1% of the clout in congress that AOC does

Thank you for proof you have an un healthly fixation with AOC
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i posted 4-5 articles
from liberal sources saying AOC is a powerful
force.

are CNN and CBS and ABC all
lying?
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I know you ran away last year after the election but it was interesting to see that there was very little "bragging" by the Ds on this site talking about the election. From your frequently talking about this coming election and what you think will happen, I know that amount of bandwith "bragging" about the election will be multiples from last year.

wrong. i took a break long after the election. i’m ok with the pendulum swinging both ways. had absolutely nothing to do with biden winning. zip.

biden may well put the gop in a stronger place than they’d be if trump had won.
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biden may well put the gop in a stronger place than they’d be if trump had won.
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I don't think so. Trump would have had the pick to replace Bryer and we wouldn't have the radical Progressive that Biden picked, and if for some reason Clarence Thomas is gone before the 2024 election Biden will get to pick another radical Progressive to replace him. And the border wall would be finished if Trump had won, as well our illegal immigration policies would not have been weakened, probably strengthened. And his corporate tax policies would have strengthened our economy along with more assurance that his China tariff policy would not be weakened. The Keystone pipeline project would not have been stopped and probably more federal land would be opened for drilling.

Among many other things.

But if you're saying that the Dems will F up stuff so badly that it will hurt them to the benefit of the Repubs for the next couple of election cycles . . . maybe. But the SCOTUS situation concerns me more.

I don't think so. Trump would have had the pick to replace Bryer and we wouldn't have the radical Progressive that Biden picked, and if for some reason Clarence Thomas is gone before the 2024 election Biden will get to pick another radical Progressive to replace him. And the border wall would be finished if Trump had won, as well our illegal immigration policies would not have been weakened, probably strengthened. And his corporate tax policies would have strengthened our economy along with more assurance that his China tariff policy would not be weakened. The Keystone pipeline project would not have been stopped and probably more federal land would be opened for drilling.

Among many other things.

But if you're saying that the Dems will F up stuff so badly that it will hurt them to the benefit of the Repubs for the next couple of election cycles . . . maybe. But the SCOTUS situation concerns me more.

i’m not sure Bryer would have voluntarily retired with trump
in office. his replacement doesn’t change the makeup of the court. the collective IQ of SCOTUS will decrease for sure, but it won’t change the ideological makeup. she’ll vote the same way he would have, on just about everything.

But yes i’m saying the backlash against numerous catastrophic progressive policies could
put the gop in a better position than they’d be in, had trump won but had to deal with democrats controlling congress.

same with obama. when he left in 2016 the democrats held fewer elected offices in the US than at any time since Civil War construction, and that’s a fact. nobody talks about it, but that’s what happened.

2022 and 2024 could be worse for the left, because the democrats currently are a million miles to the left of where obama was.

you’re spot on concerning all judicial appointments, not just SCOTUS.
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There are tapes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbSLdAO3Do
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"That audio recording of my own exact words in my own voice is totally false and wrong. Only the biased liberal media would report on what I said, rather than relying on what my PR team says I said. To play my own words in my own voice to a TV audience is fake news at its worst."
That’s the sarcasm font😎

Audio shows Kevin McCarthy planned to urge Trump to resign after Capitol riots

In the recorded conversation, McCarthy, a Republican, said that he didn't believe Trump would voluntarily step down, and contemplated rallying Congress to have him impeached a second time, saying that he believed the measure would pass both the House and Senate.

"I'm seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight," McCarthy said. "From what I know of him — I mean, you guys know him too — do you think he would ever back away?"

Trump supporters are completely gullible. And Kevin’s response proves it.

Man before country
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Audio shows Kevin McCarthy planned to urge Trump to resign after Capitol riots

In the recorded conversation, McCarthy, a Republican, said that he didn't believe Trump would voluntarily step down, and contemplated rallying Congress to have him impeached a second time, saying that he believed the measure would pass both the House and Senate.

"I'm seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight," McCarthy said. "From what I know of him — I mean, you guys know him too — do you think he would ever back away?"

Trump supporters are completely gullible. And Kevin’s response proves it.

Man before country
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i agree with you, it’s amazing how flawed trump is.

And yet…

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/600146-poll-trump-leads-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups/

All the democrats need to do, is what Bill Clinton did…move a little bit towards the center. But they don’t seem to be able to. For reasons i don’t pretend to understand, it seems they’d rather follow AOC like a bunch of woke lemmings, right off the progressive cliff.

a truly moderate democrat would win 40 states. 40. but they can’t do it.
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The insurrectionists are all scared that there are tapes now. Family, members of Congress, party officials. They're going over every conversation they had in their minds, thinking thru whether someone might have taped them. It's a powerful incentive for people to decide to cooperate w/prosecutors.
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i agree with you, it’s amazing how flawed trump is.

And yet…

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/600146-poll-trump-leads-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups/

All the democrats need to do, is what Bill Clinton did…move a little bit towards the center. But they don’t seem to be able to. For reasons i don’t pretend to understand, it seems they’d rather follow AOC like a bunch of woke lemmings, right off the progressive cliff.

a truly moderate democrat would win 40 states. 40. but they can’t do it.
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This is more about Kevins response to the audio than Trump ..

It just solidifies my view of Republican hypocrisy and dishonesty . And their voters willingness to look the other way when faced with solid evidence. To keep power

But the cult at best will see this audio as Kevin willing to sell out Trump. And throw him into the Rino pile because it’s easier than seeing Trump for what he is.. rather then admit they have be played ..

Hell the majority of the GOP base are punch drunk on Disney grooming children or calling anyone who criticize their policy’s as pedophiles

The accusation of Biden being a pedo is well versed on the right

Allegations of child sex molestation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump’s success.

Now it’s mainstream GOP

Another example

Trump-backing Newsmax TV host John Cardillo seemed to suggest in a tweet that Joe Biden was committing some kind of incestuous taboo by showing affection for his adult son. “Does this look like an appropriate father/son interaction to you?” he tweeted, along with a photo of Biden hugging Hunter and kissing his cheek.

What’s happened to the part of principal? It’s all jerry springer all the time !
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This is more about Kevins response to the audio than Trump ..

It just solidifies my view of Republican hypocrisy and dishonesty . And their voters willingness to look the other way when faced with solid evidence. To keep power

But the cult at best will see this audio as Kevin willing to sell out Trump. And throw him into the Rino pile because it’s easier than seeing Trump for what he is.. rather then admit they have be played ..

Hell the majority of the GOP base are punch drunk on Disney grooming children or calling anyone who criticize their policy’s as pedophiles

The accusation of Biden being a pedo is well versed on the right

Allegations of child sex molestation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump’s success.

Now it’s mainstream GOP

Another example

Trump-backing Newsmax TV host John Cardillo seemed to suggest in a tweet that Joe Biden was committing some kind of incestuous taboo by showing affection for his adult son. “Does this look like an appropriate father/son interaction to you?” he tweeted, along with a photo of Biden hugging Hunter and kissing his cheek.

What’s happened to the part of principal? It’s all jerry springer all the time !
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so only republicans vote for flawed
candidates. the party of the clintons and the kennedy’s and john edwards ( cheating on his wife who had cancer) is as pure as the virgin snow.

very convenient for you.

That’s the hypocrisy.

When Clinton was president, democrats all said to ignore his personal life, and focus on his public policy. i actually thought that was a good idea. and that’s what i do.

When a bad democrat is in office, that’s ok. but republicans are only supposed to nominate truly good people.

and when we do, the entire left calls them racist hatemongers anyway, so what’s the point.

i dont care how my company’s ceo lives his life, how he treats his wife, etc. i care that he’s good at his job.

same with my potus. character would be nice, but nowhere near as important as results.

now, trumps lack of character is a different shade than anything we ever saw previously for sure. But hilary is as dishonest, mean, and corrupt as they come. so let’s not pretend character was anywhere on the ballot in 2016. it was a choice of two truly reprehensible people. but you only care about one of them not being principled. hilarys lack of ethics is totally fine.

that’s hypocrisy too.
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Sure, every thing is equal

One important takeaway from the Cheney/McCarthy tapes: KMC said he was going to tell Trump to resign but was afraid Trump would bring up a “Pence pardon.” This suggests Trump had raised that issue previously.
Because Trump KNEW he committed crimes. This demonstrates consciousness of guilt
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Sure, every thing is equal


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Problem is, I specifically said this...

"now, trumps lack of character is a different shade than anything we ever saw previously for sure."

Please, please tell us, how you could POSSIBLY read what I wrote, and conclude that I said they were "equal". I very clearly said Trump was different. How could I have possibly been more clear?

You lied. You couldn't respond to what I actually said (that Hilary is disgusting as well), so you pretended I said they were equal, which no sane person could conclude I said.

This is what you do all the time.

You're crazy, desperate, and a pathological liar.

Make that wrong. Tell me where I said they are equal.

You know you can't respond to what I said. So you respond to something I never came close to saying.

Problem is, I specifically said this...

"now, trumps lack of character is a different shade than anything we ever saw previously for sure."

Please, please tell us, how you could POSSIBLY read what I wrote, and conclude that I said they were "equal". I very clearly said Trump was different. How could I have possibly been more clear?

You lied. You couldn't respond to what I actually said (that Hilary is disgusting as well), so you pretended I said they were equal, which no sane person could conclude I said.

This is what you do all the time.

You're crazy, desperate, and a pathological liar.

Make that wrong. Tell me where I said they are equal.

You know you can't respond to what I said. So you respond to something I never came close to saying.

But (insert Jim’s evil lib) is just as bad, so you’re a hypocrite.

You consistently equate desperately something any Democrat did at any time in history with Trump trying to perform a self-coup.

And think I need to agree with your rationalizing your support of Trump.
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The insurrectionists are all scared that there are tapes now. Family, members of Congress, party officials. They're going over every conversation they had in their minds, thinking thru whether someone might have taped them. It's a powerful incentive for people to decide to cooperate w/prosecutors.
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Carnac Pete magnificently reads the insurrectionists minds. Foretells of powerful incentive.

Sure, every thing is equal

One important takeaway from the Cheney/McCarthy tapes: KMC said he was going to tell Trump to resign but was afraid Trump would bring up a “Pence pardon.” This suggests Trump had raised that issue previously.
Because Trump KNEW he committed crimes. This demonstrates consciousness of guilt
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Not-a-lawyer Pete thinks that a pardon ploy demonstrates guilt. Not really.

Sure, every thing is equal

One important takeaway from the Cheney/McCarthy tapes: KMC said he was going to tell Trump to resign but was afraid Trump would bring up a “Pence pardon.” This suggests Trump had raised that issue previously.
Because Trump KNEW he committed crimes. This demonstrates consciousness of guilt
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Carnac Pete knows what Trump KNEW.

But (insert Jim’s evil lib) is just as bad, so you’re a hypocrite.

You consistently equate desperately something any Democrat did at any time in history with Trump trying to perform a self-coup.

And think I need to agree with your rationalizing your support of Trump.
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Hypocrite Pete calls Jim a hypocrite.

Kevin McCarthy is on tape saying that Donald Trump admitted he is guilty for inciting the insurrection.

“no person shall be a member of Congress or hold civil office if they had engaged in insurrection or rebellion after having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress”

Now you can explain how he didn’t engage, he just incited…..
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Hypocrite Pete calls Jim a hypocrite.

There you go, lying again
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But (insert Jim’s evil lib) is just as bad, so you’re a hypocrite.

You consistently equate desperately something any Democrat did at any time in history with Trump trying to perform a self-coup.

And think I need to agree with your rationalizing your support of Trump.
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Progressive Pete desperately defends what Democrats did against Jim's equating it to Trump performing a coup against himself.

There you go, lying again
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Hypocrite Pete says that telling Jim "you’re a hypocrite" is not calling Jim a hypocrite.

Kevin McCarthy is on tape saying that Donald Trump admitted he is guilty for inciting the insurrection.

“no person shall be a member of Congress or hold civil office if they had engaged in insurrection or rebellion after having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress”

Now you can explain how he didn’t engage, he just incited…..
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Tricky Pete equates "He told me he does have some responsibility for what happened. And he needed to acknowledge it." to saying that Trump admitted he is guilty of inciting an insurrection. Actually he didn't say he took responsibility for an insurrection. Nor that "some responsiblity" (whatever that is and how much?) was an intent to start a riot.

so only republicans vote for flawed
candidates. the party of the clintons and the kennedy’s and john edwards ( cheating on his wife who had cancer) is as pure as the virgin snow.

very convenient for you.

That’s the hypocrisy.

When Clinton was president, democrats all said to ignore his personal life, and focus on his public policy. i actually thought that was a good idea. and that’s what i do.

When a bad democrat is in office, that’s ok. but republicans are only supposed to nominate truly good people.

and when we do, the entire left calls them racist hatemongers anyway, so what’s the point.

i dont care how my company’s ceo lives his life, how he treats his wife, etc. i care that he’s good at his job.

same with my potus. character would be nice, but nowhere near as important as results.

now, trumps lack of character is a different shade than anything we ever saw previously for sure. But hilary is as dishonest, mean, and corrupt as they come. so let’s not pretend character was anywhere on the ballot in 2016. it was a choice of two truly reprehensible people. but you only care about one of them not being principled. hilarys lack of ethics is totally fine.

that’s hypocrisy too.
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Your version of flawed is flawed

But but Hilary lack of ethics love your examples oh wait you didn’t provide any
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Your version of flawed is flawed

But but Hilary lack of ethics love your examples oh wait you didn’t provide any
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so you’re not aware of any of hillary’s imperfections unless i list them.

she married a sexual predator

she lied to defend him ( said he was being framed by the vast right wing conspiracy)

she went on national tv and slut shamed his victims, calling them looney tunes.

lied about what was on her server

lied about coming under sniper fire on an overseas trip. when video showed she was lying through her teeth, Bill said she misremembered because she was tired.

called half the country deplorable.

talks ebonics when in a room of blacks.

when americans dies in benghazi, she lied about it being a spontaneous response to a video made by an american citizen. She blamed an american citizen for what happened.

claimed that Tulsi Gabbard was some kind of Russian asset. Of course, no one asked her to back that up.

but none of that matters, she’s a democrat.
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Jim Benghazi? still get over it ! another manufacturer outrage from the Right
3 out of the 4 killed were CIA contractors, who got paid and knew the risks yet no one knew were even there …

Yet
4 sf guys dead in Africa no air support no nothing yet Republicans response what 4 SF guys

Trumps response to one’s wife he knew what he signed up for!

Republicans only care about Troops who get killed while a dems in office

When they get killed while Republicans are in office suddenly their patriots giving their lives for god and country.

Yet

Mark Meadows was simultaneously registered to vote in three states

But but voter fraud

and now Kevin trying to blaming the media for his recorded voice..

But the cult doesn’t care. Republicans showed Disney that grooming doesn’t pay!
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she married a sexual predator

Like I’ve said radicalized

Only a complete convert would blame the wife for her cheating husband

Ps Jim who saves a dress and then gives it to a right winger

Did Clinton rape her?

But of course you are more outrage about a blow job

Then Trump trying to steal the election! classic
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