I don't know what nm means.

He lets it go on. He also lets Pete say some pretty outrageous stuff, which interestingly doesn't bother you.

How come you only get offended when conservatives say offensive things?

Do you want to hold up RR as a conservative?

Saying 'eat lead" is far different than anything else I have seen here.

I don't read every post but Pete seems to get far more than he dishes out.

Biden and I do. I left the Rep. party a long time ago.

I prob. go to church more than 95% of the people who were ever registered on this forum (not that just going to church is definitive).



You like Pedophilia as much as Biden & the Catholic Church ?
I was raised Catholic.
Turned my back on it years ago !
I don’t need to put my $ into the collection basket for them to cover up diddling boys, not to mention they are one of the biggest property owners in the world and happen to be tax exempt.
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Do you want to hold up RR as a conservative?

Saying 'eat lead" is far different than anything else I have seen here.

I don't read every post but Pete seems to get far more than he dishes out.

no, i don’t like what RR said and i think he should tone it down.

pete never ever stops dishing out.
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[QUOTE=Pete F.;1226862]



You believe in rule of law ???????
Are #^&#^&#^&#^&ing brain dead ??????
Where is the “rule of law with all these cities being burnt to the ground ???????
This #^&#^&#^&#^&ing administration makes police & law enforcement STAND DOWN while these thugs loot & destroy businesses & cities.
You should do yourself a favor & eat some lead !!!
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What city was burnt to the ground???
Are you referring to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyrHcgwMIeA

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1226865]

He didn't bring a weapon across state lines. The weapon was stored in his friend's house in Kenosha, not in his home in Illinois. And he legally possessed it at the time of the shooting. And he had a part time job as well as a friend and relatives in Kenosha so spent a lot of time there. It was not unusual or unexpected that he was in Kenosha.

You're the one doing all the spinning. I'm strictly speaking within the bounds of the law. It might be more accurate to say that you are lying. Not unusual for you to do.

vig·i·lan·te
/ˌvijəˈlan(t)ē/

noun
a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

Biden "calls" himself a devout Catholic. Saying that, and being one, aren't the same thing.

Many people who say they are Catholics, vote democrat. I'm talking about actual, true believers. Among that group, I don't see how they can vote democratic, abortion, casual sex, meaningless marriages, gender being a choice, tolerance of everything as long as it feels good.

I guess I should have said Catholics, not Christians, I don't know anything much about other religions. I can't see how anyone who is Catholic, could even think about voting for a democrat, unless all you care about is the environment I guess. The social policies embraced by the DNC today, aren't compatible with Catholicism, they just aren't.

And for sure I'm not saying Republicans are all good Catholics. I'm only talking about what each party currently believes.

Catholic catechism has "binding beliefs" and "non binding beliefs". Binding beliefs means what it says, you cannot be Catholic and not agree with the binding beliefs. Opposition to abortion is one of them.

It's very simple. Biden and Pelosi say they are Catholic on Sundays, because they want Catholic votes. Then Monday-Friday, they bash Catholicism. It's pretty phony when you think about it.

Last I knew we didn't have a state religion, in fact it was one of the things the founders were most adamant about.

I'd have to say Goldwater was correct when he said “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

wdmso, the Women’s Health Protection was approved by 49 of 50 senate democrats ( Manchin voted no), and it allows for abortion up until birth.

So doesn’t this mean, since you say a baby is a human being after viability, that senate democrats voted to legalize infanticide in your eyes?
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wdmso, the Women’s Health Protection was approved by 49 of 50 senate democrats ( Manchin voted no), and it allows for abortion up until birth.

So doesn’t this mean, since you say a baby is a human being after viability, that senate democrats voted to in your eyes?
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legalize infanticide



But endless defense of Tucker and the rest of the GOP

Like I’ve said you’ve been willingly radicalized

But but Joe manchin. But ignore and be dismissive of what liz and Kinzinger have said about the current situation in the GOP
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legalize infanticide



But endless defense of Tucker and the rest of the GOP

Like I’ve said you’ve been willingly radicalized

But but Joe manchin. But ignore and be dismissive of what liz and Kinzinger have said about the current situation in the GOP
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is there anything i can do, to get you to answer the question?

You said you believe the unborn becomes a human at viability. Right?

Every senate democrat voted for a bill that allows abortion right up until
birth.

So using your definition, how would that fail to mean, that they passed a bill that allows what YOUR definition would say is murder?

Leave boe manchin and liz cheney and my radical views aside for one moment, and answer the question i asked?
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talking about actual, true believers. Among that group, I don't see how they can vote democratic, abortion, casual sex, meaningless marriages, gender being a choice, tolerance of everything as long as it feels good.

Wow freedoms for me not for thee unless you pray to my god and worship him with the same convictions I do if not . You’ll pay !

Sounds like ji·had
/jəˈhäd/

a struggle or fight against the enemies of Christianity in America

Code. Anyone I disagree with aka infidels
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[QUOTE=detbuch;1226869]

vig·i·lan·te
/ˌvijəˈlan(t)ē/

noun
a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

Self defense, and defense of private property is not vigilantism. And sometimes, somewhere, legal agencies are inadequate, or even corrupt, or even the problem.

Of course, there's the tried and true legal way--wait for the crime to be committed, then call the police. Works really well when you're being attacked.

talking about actual, true believers. Among that group, I don't see how they can vote democratic, abortion, casual sex, meaningless marriages, gender being a choice, tolerance of everything as long as it feels good.

Wow freedoms for me not for thee unless you pray to my god and worship him with the same convictions I do if not . You’ll pay !

Sounds like ji·had
/jəˈhäd/

a struggle or fight against the enemies of Christianity in America

Code. Anyone I disagree with aka infidels
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what needs to happen, for you to
answer my question?
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[QUOTE=Pete F.;1226902]

Self defense, and defense of private property is not vigilantism. And sometimes, somewhere, legal agencies are inadequate, or even corrupt, or even the problem.

Of course, there's the tried and true legal way--wait for the crime to be committed, then call the police. Works really well when you're being attacked.

BLM protesters were “rioters”

January 6th insurrectionists were “peaceful tourists”

Ashley Babbitt was a “martyr”

George Floyd was a “thug”

Kyle Rittenhouse was a “hero”

The common theme is always the same: vilify the oppressed, glorify the powerful
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[QUOTE=detbuch;1226909]

BLM protesters were “rioters”

January 6th insurrectionists were “peaceful tourists”

Ashley Babbitt was a “martyr”

George Floyd was a “thug”

Kyle Rittenhouse was a “hero”

The common theme is always the same: vilify the oppressed, glorify the powerful
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The Jan6 protesters, Ashley Babbitt, Kyle Rittenhouse, were powerful? Really? You're straining hard to create one of your conjectured lies here. But you're right, Floyd was a thug (who was transformed into a "martyr"). And was more of an oppressor, than an oppressed.

It's a common theme with you--create narratives that are not true--in other words, lying.

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1226912]

The Jan6 protesters, Ashley Babbitt, Kyle Rittenhouse, were powerful? Really? You're straining hard to create one of your conjectured lies here. But you're right, Floyd was a thug (who was transformed into a "martyr"). And was more of an oppressor, than an oppressed.

It's a common theme with you--create narratives that are not true--in other words, lying.

The January 6th insurrectionists including Ashley Babbitt thought they had the right to destroy federal property and attack the government
Kyle Rittenhouse thought he had the right to enforce the law.

Why was there only minimal police presence on January 6th?
Do you think if Kyle Rittenhouse was black he would have walked away armed from an active crime scene

Millions of people protested for BLM without incident
Nothing within the law gives police the right to summarily execute anyone


Your narrative is far from true
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[QUOTE=detbuch;1226914]

The January 6th insurrectionists including Ashley Babbitt thought they had the right to destroy federal property and attack the government
Kyle Rittenhouse thought he had the right to enforce the law.

There you go mind reading again. Eh, probably making stuff up about what was in their minds rather than actually reading their minds. Or maybe just conjecturing, assuming, etc. . . . the regular stuff you do. Is there evidence that Babbit destroyed any property. There is video of her trying to stop someone from breaking out the glass window which she afterwards tried to go through when she was shot and killed.

And where is there evidence that Rittenhouse "enforced" the law.
He didn't commit any crime. He defended himself. Is that a from of "enforcing" the law?

Why was there only minimal police presence on January 6th?

Because Ashley Babbit was "powerful"?

Do you think if Kyle Rittenhouse was black he would have walked away armed from an active crime scene

Are you insinuating that blacks have never done so?
There were several armed people there witnessing the crime scene who walked away from it. Rittenhouse defended himself, which you seem to prefer that he had been unsuccessful in doing so. You keep trying to frame the event as he being the guilty purpetrator, and everyone else being the innocent victims. The results of the trial showed that you have it backwards.

Millions of people protested for BLM without incident

Uhh . . . OK. Didn't know that anyone was saying that that's not true.

Nothing within the law gives police the right to summarily execute anyone

Uhh . . . OK. Is there some disagreement about that here to which you are referring. George Floyd was not "summarily executed." He was killed while resisting arrest. The police officer was convicted and sentenced to jail.

Your narrative is far from true
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Another one of your just say so stuff. What narrative and what was false about it?

This is how sad the GOP has become

With almost all of the votes counted in the crowded field, Mr. Edwards had 29,213 votes, or 33.5%, while Mr. Cawthorn had 27,664 votes, or 31.7%.
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This is how sad the GOP has become. When Cawthorn with all his baggage and lies yet still got 27,664 votes..

With almost all of the votes counted in the crowded field, Mr. Edwards had 29,213 votes, or 33.5%, while Mr. Cawthorn had 27,664 votes, or 31.7%.
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This is how sad the GOP has become. When Cawthorn with all his baggage and lies yet still got 27,664 votes..

With almost all of the votes counted in the crowded field, Mr. Edwards had 29,213 votes, or 33.5%, while Mr. Cawthorn had 27,664 votes, or 31.7%.
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for gods sake man, he lost the primary you’re upset that a terrible person almost won?

The GOP in NC fired him. You’re complaining he didn’t lose by a wider margin?

He was a terrible rep and they fired him. Good for them.
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You are a classless POS.

Maybe you should eat some lead - we'll find someone else to plow our streets.

Another low for this forum. John you should be proud.

I think he has already eaten lead as a child and in adulthood he has moved on to a lighter alternative, he loves his aluminum hats now.

for gods sake man, he lost the primary you’re upset that a terrible person almost won?

The GOP in NC fired him. You’re complaining he didn’t lose by a wider margin?

He was a terrible rep and they fired him. Good for them.
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You just don’t get it. Do you
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You just don’t get it. Do you
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i’m proud to say that no, i don’t get it. A terrible representative got voted out. I’m glad. I’d think you’d be happy, but you’re not.

Blumenthal is still in the senate, you don’t care about that. Gee i wonder why that is.
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i’m proud to say that no, i don’t get it. A terrible representative got voted out. I’m glad. I’d think you’d be happy, but you’re not.

Blumenthal is still in the senate, you don’t care about that. Gee i wonder why that is.
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Was he naked in a wheel chair claiming the election was stolen or lied about getting into the naval academy..

You just are unable to process he still got 27000 votes.. but if he worked at Disney he vote count would have been lower..

But he got so many votes not because of leadership or ethics or he even did a good job he got those votes for his willingness to lie tell people the election was stolen following their cult leaders endorsement. To vote for him .

And how sad is it you can win a seat with less than 50 % of the votes by 33% by a count split 3 ways


And to say well he lost. ends the disease that’s infected the GOP is
Simply not the case
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Was he naked in a wheel chair claiming the election was stolen or lied about getting into the naval academy..

You just are unable to process he still got 27000 votes.. but if he worked at Disney he vote count would have been lower..

But he got so many votes not because of leadership or ethics or he even did a good job he got those votes for his willingness to lie tell people the election was stolen following their cult leaders endorsement. To vote for him .

And how sad is it you can win a seat with less than 50 % of the votes by 33% by a count split 3 ways


And to say well he lost. ends the disease that’s infected the GOP is
Simply not the case
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So unless he lost unanimously, the GOP is bad.

"And to say well he lost. ends the disease that’s infected the GOP"

That disease is about to spread come November.

And you've gone crazy. You spend all day looking for, and posting, stories about Republicans who did bad things.

Here's the inconvenient truth...there are plenty of good and bad people on both sides. There are plenty of good and bad ideas on both sides.

Madison Cawthorn did not lose because of his despicable politics, callowness or blatant “I’m just here to troll the libs” hucksterism. He lost because he pissed off the wrong people in his own party, who successfully weaponized homophobia to bring him down.
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Madison Cawthorn did not lose because of his despicable politics, callowness or blatant “I’m just here to troll the libs” hucksterism. He lost because he pissed off the wrong people in his own party, who successfully weaponized homophobia to bring him down.
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so if he won the primary, youd say the GOP voters don’t care that he’s awful. And if he doesn’t win the primary, you’d say it was because the GOP voters are a bunch of hate mongering homophobes.

Whatever they do, you say is wrong.
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Seems Trump endorsed candidates are doing ok not from any money he has given them. it appears he hasn't given any ..

But they Have given Him! the greatest gift they all have pushed his election was stolen claim . AKA lying for Votes and it's All the MAGA faithful want to hear .. So they vote for them :faga:

So unless he lost unanimously, the GOP is bad.

"And to say well he lost. ends the disease that’s infected the GOP"

That disease is about to spread come November.

And you've gone crazy. You spend all day looking for, and posting, stories about Republicans who did bad things.

Here's the inconvenient truth...there are plenty of good and bad people on both sides. There are plenty of good and bad ideas on both sides.


jim get out of the cult the GOP are electing election deniers in every state .. and you dont care as long as they ban the things you dont like ... :huh:

jim get out of the cult the GOP are electing election deniers in every state .. and you dont care as long as they ban the things you dont like ... :huh:

“the GOP are electing election deniers.


Oh, is Stacey Abrams a republican?
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so if he won the primary, youd say the GOP voters don’t care that he’s awful. And if he doesn’t win the primary, you’d say it was because the GOP voters are a bunch of hate mongering homophobes.

Whatever they do, you say is wrong.
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Actually a lot of GOP voters including you don’t care about morals, because winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
It’s a new identity for the Grand Old Party: The Immoral Minority
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Actually a lot of GOP voters including you don’t care about morals, because winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
It’s a new identity for the Grand Old Party: The Immoral Minority
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Authoritarian lying Pete expresses concerns about morals.

Authoritarian lying Pete expresses concerns about morals.

So claims the crappie fisherman, who will tell you just how TFG never lied, was railroaded, mistreated and should be viewed as the savior of the republic, though he left the White House with the largest peacetime budget deficit in American history and a national debt exceeding 100% of the economy for the first time since World War II.
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“the GOP are electing election deniers.


Oh, is Stacey Abrams a republican?
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You are king of false equivalences and denial
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You are king of false equivalences and denial
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Abrams is an election denier. and democrats nominated her to run.

just because something proved democrats are not as flawless as you claim, doesn’t always make it a false equivalence.

you never explain why it’s a false equivalence. never.
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So claims the crappie fisherman, who will tell you just how TFG never lied, was railroaded, mistreated and should be viewed as the savior of the republic, though he left the White House with the largest peacetime budget deficit in American history and a national debt exceeding 100% of the economy for the first time since World War II.
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Lying Pete doubles down. The crappie fisherman never said that TFG never lied or should be viewed as the savor of the republic. Nor will he tell you that (more fake conjecture from lying Pete).

Tight race in Pennsylvania. Mail-in ballots could turn the race - and are still being counted days after Election Day. The fact that there are no GOP lawmakers talking about fraud or “election integrity” further exposes the deep cynicism of the 2020 big lie.
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Tight race in Pennsylvania. Mail-in ballots could turn the race - and are still being counted days after Election Day. The fact that there are no GOP lawmakers talking about fraud or “election integrity” further exposes the deep cynicism of the 2020 big lie.
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Lying Pete talks about integrity and a big lie.

Lying Pete talks about integrity and a big lie.

Mark Meadows was registered to vote in three different states. And the address that he actually used to vote from was never his residence. So he committed voter fraud. Imagine that.
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Mark Meadows was registered to vote in three different states. And the address that he actually used to vote from was never his residence. So he committed voter fraud. Imagine that.
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Lying Pete, who debunks voter fraud, at least not enough to sway the election (not to worry), points out a voter huckster. Imagine that.

Lying Pete, who debunks voter fraud, at least not enough to sway the election (not to worry), points out a voter huckster. Imagine that.

voter fraud is real, but only republicans do it.
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voter fraud is real, but only republicans do it.
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That’s the most truthful comment is some time
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voter fraud is real, but only republicans do it.
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The cases pretty much prove that
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That’s the most truthful comment is some time
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so in january, when the new york state government ( democrats) tries to redraw districts to favor them, and the courts said it was obvious illegal gerrymandering, what would
you call that?

a false equivalence?
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so in january, when the new york state government ( democrats) tries to redraw districts to favor them, and the courts said it was obvious illegal gerrymandering, what would
you call that?

a false equivalence?
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You’ve been claiming it’s perfectly acceptable behavior because you have the power and the “other party” has been doing it for years, now you’re claiming it’s bad?

How are those Trumplican cocaine orgies doing?
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You’ve been claiming it’s perfectly acceptable behavior because you have the power and the “other party” has been doing it for years, now you’re claiming it’s bad?

How are those Trumplican cocaine orgies doing?
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no, i don’t claim it’s acceptable. i say it’s unethical no matter who does it.

You guys claim it’s awful
when the gop does it, and never have anything to say when democrats do it.

Make that wrong.
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No, actually I’m more concerned about things like this

The GOP nominee for Pennsylvania Governor, Doug Mastriano, just indicated he’ll steal the election in 2024 if he wins: “I get to appoint the Secretary of State, who [controls] the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen.”
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No, actually I’m more concerned about things like this

The GOP nominee for Pennsylvania Governor, Doug Mastriano, just indicated he’ll steal the election in 2024 if he wins: “I get to appoint the Secretary of State, who [controls] the voting logs & everything. I could decertify every machine in the state with a stroke of a pen.”
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you eproved my point precisely. you can’t criticize the left, never.

what are you afraid will happen exactly, if you just said “it was wrong for the NY democrats to gerrymander.”

Are you afraid you’d die?
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no, i don’t claim it’s acceptable. i say it’s unethical no matter who does it.

You guys claim it’s awful
when the gop does it, and never have anything to say when democrats do it.

Make that wrong.
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Pretty easily

Where did I say that “ You guys claim it’s awful
when the gop does it, and never have anything to say when democrats do it.”
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And you think Republicans don’t want control of what you do?

A Trump-endorsed candidate in Michigan says she would vote to ban all birth control if it comes up for a vote, bc “sex ought to be between one man and one woman in the confines of marriage”
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And you think Republicans don’t want control of what you do?

A Trump-endorsed candidate in Michigan says she would vote to ban all birth control if it comes up for a vote, bc “sex ought to be between one man and one woman in the confines of marriage”
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the gop
wants to be in power, but they then use that power to have less federal government control.

politics 101.
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the gop
wants to be in power, but they then use that power to have less federal government control.

politics 101.
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Elon Musk exposed his penis to a SpaceX flight attendant, asked her for sex, and then paid her $250,000 in hush money.

I guess he really is a Republican.
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Elon Musk exposed his penis to a SpaceX flight attendant, asked her for sex, and then paid her $250,000 in hush money.

I guess he really is a Republican.
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Republicans are generous. She had a good day.

Elon Musk exposed his penis to a SpaceX flight attendant, asked her for sex, and then paid her $250,000 in hush money.

I guess he really is a Republican.
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again, that’s the rule here? do we believe all women? i using the one who accused biden? or do we only believe the women who accuse republicans?
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again, that’s the rule here? do we believe all women? i using the one who accused biden? or do we only believe the women who accuse republicans?
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Poor victim
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Poor victim
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Well, if it's true, she's a quarter of a million dollars poor.

Every feudal lord knows the way to a peasant girl's heart is to buy her a pony. Disney probably makes movies about #^&#^&#^&#^& like that.
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Every feudal lord knows the way to a peasant girl's heart is to buy her a pony. Disney probably makes movies about #^&#^&#^&#^& like that.
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Poor victim.

Republicans are quietly sensing that things aren't going their way for the midterms.

Trump is like an anchor weighing the party down.

Panic is setting in.

This is good. Weather the storm.
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Poor victim.

great comeback.
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Very original, what would you expect from someone who repeats every right wing trope
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Very original, what would you expect from someone who repeats every right wing trope
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Are you claiming originality for your thoughts? Most of your thoughts are reiterations of left wing talking points and left wing journal or media articles. You mask that by not attributing the source nor even using quotation marks.

Sure
Meanwhile since it now appears that John Eastman is unable to save himself, he’s in the process of exposing Trump’s direct involvement in the self-coup.
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Sure
Meanwhile since it now appears that John Eastman is unable to save himself, he’s in the process of exposing Trump’s direct involvement in the self-coup.
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Let's hope for your sanity, those possibilities come true.

Let's hope for your sanity, those possibilities come true.

My sanity is fine, I’m worried about you and your fellow cult members.

Seeing as the leader of your party, a former president of the United States shared a social media post advocating or predicting civil war in the United States. No biggie.
I’m sure it was just a misunderstanding
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My sanity is fine, I’m worried about you and your fellow cult members.

Will it be fine if Trump escapes all the horrors you wish upon him? And if he gets re-elected? Do you have a name for this cult that you think I belong to?

Seeing as the leader of your party, a former president of the United States shared a social media post advocating or predicting civil war in the United States. No biggie.
I’m sure it was just a misunderstanding


Are you a member of a party? I thought your mission was to get rid of Trump, not to be a member or advocate of a party. Are you a Democrat? Is the Democrat Party your party? Do you support the militant predictions and advocations of leaders of that party like Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, AOC?

Your "advocating OR predicting" is a bit confusing. Which is it? Both? And does it mean that he wants to and will start a civil war if he gets elected, or will start one if he isn't? Many others have been predicting that we are heading toward a civil war. Even that it has already started, except for the shooting and killing. And that prediction was being made before Trump became President.

Are you conjecturing and insinuating again?

Are you a member of a party? I thought your mission was to get rid of Trump, not to be a member or advocate of a party. Are you a Democrat? Is the Democrat Party your party? Do you support the militant predictions and advocations of leaders of that party like Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, AOC?

Your "advocating OR predicting" is a bit confusing. Which is it? Both? And does it mean that he wants to and will start a civil war if he gets elected, or will start one if he isn't? Many others have been predicting that we are heading toward a civil war. Even that it has already started, except for the shooting and killing. And that prediction was being made before Trump became President.

Are you conjecturing and insinuating again?

There is no greater indicator of the GOP's threat to democracy than the fact that they are currently holding CPAC in the autocratic nation of Hungary with Viktor Orbán.
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There is no greater indicator of the GOP's threat to democracy than the fact that they are currently holding CPAC in the autocratic nation of Hungary with Viktor Orbán.
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This is baseless conspiracy theory. Typical Pete say so conjecture and non-responsive to the post he was supposedly responding to. More propaganda than dialog. But that's how Pete rolls.

This is baseless conspiracy theory. Typical Pete say so conjecture and non-responsive to the post he was supposedly responding to. More propaganda than dialog. But that's how Pete rolls.

“A notorious Hungarian racist who has called Jews ‘stinking excrement’, referred to Roma people as ‘animals’ and used racial epithets to describe Black people, was a featured speaker at a major gathering of US Republicans in Budapest.”

Of course CPAC found CPAC a rabbi to appear on its stage as well as Jack Posobiec, a far-right US blogger who has used antisemitic symbols and the pro-Orbán pundit who used the phrase “stinking excrement” to refer to Jews.
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“A notorious Hungarian racist who has called Jews ‘stinking excrement’, referred to Roma people as ‘animals’ and used racial epithets to describe Black people, was a featured speaker at a major gathering of US Republicans in Budapest.”

Nice . . . quote from the far left rag "The Guardian" to set the tone of your propaganda. What did the racist say at the conference, did he advocate racist, anti-semite policies there? Did any of the speakers do that there?

Of course CPAC found CPAC a rabbi to appear on its stage

Nice . . . they "found" a rabbi . . . and what did he say? Did he praise Orbans supposedly "anti-semitic" policies?
Is this supposed to imply that Republicans, Trump, et al. are anti-semite? As well as the rabbi, there were representatives from Israel there. Typical smearing insinuation.

as well as Jack Posobiec, a far-right US blogger who has used antisemitic symbols and the pro-Orbán pundit who used the phrase “stinking excrement” to refer to Jews.
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Nice . . . "far right . . . racist . . . anti-semite" . . . CPAC at the Reichstag! No doubt they were flying swastika flags and saluting the coming of the new Hitler . . .so you artfully select to imply it to be so. And omit what was mainly actually said there. Typical propaganda trick.

So the Guardian is far left, Orban is a centrist who allows a free press and doesn’t claim that what the USA needs is a Christian theocracy.

“This corner of Europe will regain the colors it had before communism,” Orban said in the video.
Before communism, Hungary was ruled for 24 years by a revanchist nationalist government — the country’s first stable regime since the First World War — which allied with the Nazis in World War II and was responsible for the deaths of nearly 500,000 Jewish citizens in the Holocaust. Orban has previously referred to Miklos Horthy, primary leader of the Hungarian state during this period, as an “exceptional leader.”

Hungary is a one-party, right-wing state where the ruling ideology encourages racial hatred of minorities (Jews and the Roma). And that is where American conservatives decided to have a party.

And how dare any news provider report on it, they must be far left claim the fascists.
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So the Guardian is far left,

Yes.

Orban is a centrist

No.

who allows a free press

The American press has not been so free lately with the suppression and outright censoring of conservative speech and prevention of important political stories being disseminated.

Even you, Pete, have advocated for showing no tolerance for "conservative" speech because it inevitably leads to tyranny. You sound a lot like your portrayal of Orban.

and doesn’t claim that what the USA needs is a Christian theocracy.

Does he claim that? So what? You believe that "conservatives" or Republicans are his lackeys and will do whatever he suggests? Hungary is not a Christian theocracy.

“This corner of Europe will regain the colors it had before communism,” Orban said in the video.
Before communism, Hungary was ruled for 24 years

Hungary had a thousand years of history before communism. It had many proud "colors" before communism. Much of it was authoritarian as were the colors of most countries pre communism. My ancestors suffered under some of that Hungarian authoritarianism. But such is the history of the world.


by a revanchist nationalist government — the country’s first stable regime since the First World War — which allied with the Nazis in World War II and was responsible for the deaths of nearly 500,000 Jewish citizens in the Holocaust. Orban has previously referred to Miklos Horthy, primary leader of the Hungarian state during this period, as an “exceptional leader.”

The truth isn't so simple as leftist Rolling Stone tries to deceptively paint it. According to Brittanica "Although he disliked Adolf Hitler, he sympathized with the German dictator’s “crusade against Bolshevism,” and initially acquiesced in Hungary’s adherence to the German side in World War II. His later efforts to extricate Hungary from the war led to his forced abdication and abduction by the Germans in 1944.

Also, in contradiction to your leftist Rolling Stone attempt to paint him as a Jew killer antisemitic NAZI sympathizer, there's this: How “Anti-Semite” Miklos Horthy Saved the Jews of Budapest--https://momentmag.com/horthy-jews-budapest/

The more complex account of Horthy's history shows that he indeed was a very "exceptional leader"--commendably so.

Hungary is a one-party, right-wing state where the ruling ideology encourages racial hatred of minorities (Jews and the Roma). And that is where American conservatives decided to have a party.

Your far left New Republic article from which you quote verbatim without attribution states that "Orbán transformed Hungarian politics and society into a competitive authoritarian state, where free speech is officially permitted and other political parties exist but where, for all intents and purposes, the speech of dissenters is drowned out and the non-Fidesz parties can’t win an election."

Gosh, that sounds a lot like what Democrats would like and are trying to do here.

And the article goes full rabid with " The American right, from Trump to CPAC Jefe Matt Schlapp on down the line, celebrates and seeks to emulate a racist, neofascist anti-democracy. They want to turn the United States into Hungary."

OK . . . so were supposed to give this sort of reportage a claim to being reputable? I don't think so. Not at all.


And how dare any news provider report on it, they must be far left claim the fascists.
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And the fascists claim that "conservatives" like Tucker Carlson are far right.

Delivering the opening address of the two-day conference on Thursday, Orbán called Hungary “the bastion of conservative Christian values in Europe,” and urged U.S. conservatives to defeat “the dominance of progressive liberals in public life” as he said he had done in Hungary.

“We have to take the institutions back in Washington and Brussels,” Orbán said. “We must find allies in one another and coordinate the movements of our troops.”

The Associated Press and other international news organizations were not granted accreditation to cover the CPAC meeting in Hungary despite making multiple requests over several months.
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Delivering the opening address of the two-day conference on Thursday, Orbán called Hungary “the bastion of conservative Christian values in Europe,” and urged U.S. conservatives to defeat “the dominance of progressive liberals in public life” as he said he had done in Hungary.

I like his suggestion that U.S. "conservatives" should defeat the dominance of progressive liberals in public life. I think that's called "politics." Progressives and Pete F want to defeat any dominance that "conservatives" have in public life--I assume Pete is good with that--but would consider it to be very fascistic if "conservatives defeat the dominance of Progressivism in our public life.

“We have to take the institutions back in Washington and Brussels,” Orbán said. “We must find allies in one another and coordinate the movements of our troops.”

Back from who? Oh, yeah, from Progressives who have taken control of the institutions. Pete probably thinks by "troops" Orban meant actual military, like an armed "insurrection." I'm pretty sure Pete would prefer that the Progressives continue to dominate and control the institutions.

The Associated Press and other international news organizations were not granted accreditation to cover the CPAC meeting in Hungary despite making multiple requests over several months.


Poor victims. Somehow, without them, the conference is being covered and reported on, even by far left rags. The Republicans did persuade Orban to allow CBS to cover it. But too many fake news orgs. would be unseemly.