Classy and respectful of diversity as always

Plus, how do you “defy” a decision which says states can decide what to do?

Plus, if she can defy federal
law, does that mean I can defy the Internal Revenue Service? Because if I can do what she says she’s gonna do, then there’s a 26 foot Regulator with my name on it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maxine-waters-reacts-dobbs-ruling-hell-supreme-court-we-will-defy-them

When the Supreme Court acts like a legislative body overturning established precedent that they lawyerly failed to tell the truth about in their confirmation hearings they are viewed correctly as a political body.
Not one elected or wanted by the majority of voters.
Unpopular legislation doesn’t work.
Just wait for what the ultra right wing Court does next, because in a concurring opinion overturning Roe, Justice Thomas said that SCOTUS should reconsider opinions protecting same-sex relationships, marriage equality and contraceptives.

The court must "'correct the error' established in those precedents," Thomas said.

The only saving grace about Justice Thomas's concurrence is that no other justice joined it. At least, not today.

So now for good cause American confidence in Supreme Court sinks to lowest level ever recorded by Gallup
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When the Supreme Court acts like a legislative body


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ironic...

ironic...

can’t make that up.

does this help democrats in november? probably a little.
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Don’t worry boys, American women still have the right to choose
Republicans who took your reproductive rights

Or

Democrats who want to return them
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Again Jim’s more upset at The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them”. Comment

Then he is over


Trump to DOJ Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me’

Classic.

Jim tell me this , So every SCJ since the the 72 decision. All of the SC Justices who came before the current 3 newest were complete idiots and wrongly interpreted the constitution.. ya ok .,, this ruling wasn’t about the law it was about the lord
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Again Jim’s more upset at The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them”. Comment

Then he is over


Trump to DOJ Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me’

Classic.

Jim tell me this , So every SCJ since the the 72 decision. All of the SC Justices who came before the current 3 newest were complete idiots and wrongly interpreted the constitution.. ya ok .,, this ruling wasn’t about the law it was about the lord
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Exactly. Roe may have been a flawed argument, but it was challenged how many times during Reagan’s term alone? That eventually culminated in Casey.

So basically, the Fox News 5 + Roberts decided this time was different. Of course three of them (maybe more) distinctly said during confirmation that’s Roe was settled law at this point.

Everyone should read Supreme Myth’s by Segal. It predates all the recent stuff by a few years but shows some of the history of the court acting as a political body (on both sides).

Exactly. Roe may have been a flawed argument, but it was challenged how many times during Reagan’s term alone? That eventually culminated in Casey.

So basically, the Fox News 5 + Roberts decided this time was different. Of course three of them (maybe more) distinctly said during confirmation that’s Roe was settled law at this point.

Everyone should read Supreme Myth’s by Segal. It predates all the recent stuff by a few years but shows some of the history of the court acting as a political body (on both sides).

so if a bunch of segregationist judges upheld slavery and segregation a few times, that would
mean you’d say it can
never be overturned?

where’s that in the constitution?

constitution doesn’t provide for abortion, but says pretty clearly a person can’t be denied life without due process.

you’re a scientist. in your opinion, when is it a person? i’m genuinely curious.


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rep Cori Bush says SCOTUS is racist. She didn’t say how. No one will ask her to support that.
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so if a bunch of segregationist judges upheld slavery and segregation a few times, that would
mean you’d say it can
never be overturned?

where’s that in the constitution?

constitution doesn’t provide for abortion, but says pretty clearly a person can’t be denied life without due process.

you’re a scientist. in your opinion, when is it a person? i’m genuinely curious.


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Viability, which obviously changes all the time.
I am not saying this is easy. Put a cap on it, 20 weeks, whatever seems reasonable and don’t remove exceptions for rape/incest/life of mother.

Viability, which obviously changes all the time.
I am not saying this is easy. Put a cap on it, 20 weeks, whatever seems reasonable and don’t remove exceptions for rape/incest/life of mother.

you responded straight up, i respect that. that is sincere, not sarcastic.

i’m a math guy. things need to make sense to me. my issue with picking a point, say 20 weeks, is this…the baby is no different on the last day of the 19th week, than it is on the first day of the 20th week. i think there’s only one spectacular moment, one time when something gets created that didn’t exist before, that’s conception. But that’s my logic, and reasonable
people can disagree.

but we both seem to agree that women can choose to do whatever they want with their own bodies, as long as that choice doesn’t hurt someone else. you and i may disagree a little on what constitutes “someone else”, but we seem to agree on a big chunk of it.

And i’m fine with leaving exceptions for rape, incest, and the health of the mom. those are, thankfully, rare.
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Looked to me like Jim started a post about the words of Maxine Waters & her call for violence……….
Silence …….

If it was anyone on the R you #^&#^&#^&#^&in guys would be screaming bloody murder.
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Clarence and his nut job wife are a perfect example of why lifetime and now political appointments are so wrong, especially when the majority of the country disagrees with their decisions.

Looked to me like Jim started a post about the words of Maxine Waters & her call for violence……….
Silence …….

If it was anyone on the R you #^&#^&#^&#^&in guys would be screaming bloody murder.
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For someone bringing his political BS to the main forum, I’m pretty sure you can’t be complaining about anything.

Make no mistake, the GOP just lost the American suburbs for a generation or two.
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Make no mistake, the GOP just lost the American suburbs for a generation or two.
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we’ll see in november.
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Don’t worry boys, American women still have the right to choose
Republicans who took your reproductive rights

Or

Democrats who want to return them
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Yea November is coming

Stating the obvious: but so everyone is clear. It is absolutely the case that the very first legislative priority of a Republican trifecta at the national level will be a federal ban on abortions. It will be HR 1.

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I hope the saying be careful what you wish for comes back to bite the far right. Women are coming out to vote and which side of that debate hold the bigger numbers. Time to add more justices to the Supreme Court to balance things out and I hope this administration has some foresight to see that’s required to properly represent the country as a whole.

I hope the saying be careful what you wish for comes back to bite the far right. Women are coming out to vote and which side of that debate hold the bigger numbers. Time to add more justices to the Supreme Court to balance things out and I hope this administration has some foresight to see that’s required to properly represent the country as a whole.

was the court was left tilting since Earl Warren was on it. but that imbalance was ok.

you add more, then the right adds more when they’re in charge. where does that end?

do you binder stand what happens here? abortion will only be outlawed, i. states where people
want that. that’s how state governments work.
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was the court was left tilting since Earl Warren was on it. but that imbalance was ok.

you add more, then the right adds more when they’re in charge. where does that end?

do you binder stand what happens here? abortion will only be outlawed, i. states where people
want that. that’s how state governments work.
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Is this why Pence announced he thinks abortions should be banned by federal law and he’s the guy to do it? Truth is any Republican running in 2024 will do the same to make abortion illegal everywhere in the US.
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Looked to me like Jim started a post about the words of Maxine Waters & her call for violence……….
Silence …….

If it was anyone on the R you #^&#^&#^&#^&in guys would be screaming bloody murder.
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You are another who sees and hears violence we’re there is none . But doesn’t see violence or hear threats when shown on. TV screen or sent to congress people from the Maga cult
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Is this why Pence announced he thinks abortions should be banned by federal law and he’s the guy to do it? Truth is any Republican running in 2024 will do the same to make abortion illegal everywhere in the US.
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you always find one extremist, and assign the extreme view to the entire GOP.

Fine, then AOC speaks for all
democrats everywhere

It’s going to the states where it belongs. WE get to decide, rather than 9 unelected judges. I can live with that, even though I know it means abortion will always be legal in many states.

It’s a political/legislative issue, it should be decided by us.

Telling that you are so opposed to that idea.

I haven’t heard one single legal
argument in favor of it today. Just that the left really wants it.
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you always find one extremist, and assign the extreme view to the entire GOP.

Fine, then AOC speaks for all
democrats everywhere

It’s going to the states where it belongs. WE get to decide, rather than 9 unelected judges. I can live with that, even though I know it means abortion will always be legal in many states.

It’s a political/legislative issue, it should be decided by us.

Telling that you are so opposed to that idea.

I haven’t heard one single legal
argument in favor of it today. Just that the left really wants it.
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Wow

Pence is now an extremist in your view

He’s certainly thinking he’s running for the Republican nomination

He was the Vice President of the party you support

And he’s far from the sole Republican proposing a federal ban

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Wow

Pence is now an extremist in your view

He’s certainly thinking he’s running for the Republican nomination

He was the Vice President of the party you support

And he’s far from the sole Republican proposing a federal ban

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on abortion he’s obviously an extremist. not complicated.

and a lot of democrats want zero restrictions, which americans don’t want.
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Still not 1 mention on the words from Maxine Waters

on abortion he’s obviously an extremist. not complicated.

and a lot of democrats want zero restrictions, which americans don’t want.
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Apparently there’s lots of Republican extremists

Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.), the chair of the 158-member Republican Study Committee, told Axios, "We're having lots of conversations."

"When we get the majority back after the midterms, I expect there to be a larger discussion about where Republicans are unified, and those conversations are still ongoing," he added.
Banks said there are "lots of legislative vehicles that are getting broad Republican support," from a 15-week ban to a heartbeat bill to a total ban.
Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.), who is championing a total abortion ban co-sponsored by more than 160 House Republicans, said, "We need to do what our base sent us here to do and what is the right thing to do, which is to ban all abortion."
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Still not 1 mention on the words from Maxine Waters

because it’s ok when democrats do it.
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Republicans will force you to carry your baby to term, just so they can grow up and get shot in school.
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Republicans will force you to carry your baby to term, just so they can grow up and get shot in school.
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yup. a huge % of kids get shot in school.

your brain is completely broke.
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Republicans will force you to carry your baby to term, just so they can grow up and get shot in school.
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More likely they will get shot by Maxine Waters

Sure boys, One day after the same six people on the SCOTUS declared that restricting guns in order to promote public safety and save lives is unconstitutional. Don't believe it when they tell you it's about life.
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Sure boys, One day after the same six people on the SCOTUS declared that restricting guns in order to promote public safety and save lives is unconstitutional. Don't believe it when they tell you it's about life.
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right tokown guns is explicitly in the constitution, the right to kill unborn isnt, and is in fact contraindicated by language that says a person can’t lose his life without due process.

Big difference.

It’s not the courts job to be popular, only to be constitutional.
it’s the legislatures job to be popular.
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20000 Americans killed by gun violence so far this year.

Harsh but irrefutable words from the dissent that go straight to core: decision "based on nothing more than the new views of new judges.The majority has overruled Roe & Casey for 1 and only 1 reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them."
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20000 Americans killed by gun violence so far this year.

Harsh but irrefutable words from the dissent that go straight to core: decision "based on nothing more than the new views of new judges.The majority has overruled Roe & Casey for 1 and only 1 reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them."
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so you know they didn’t do it because it was stupid law, but because or personal agenda. for a mind reader, you get a lot of stuff wrong.

it’s 10 pm and i haven’t heard a single legal
argument about why they were wrong. just whining that the left doesn’t like it.
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right tokown guns is explicitly in the constitution, the right to kill unborn isnt, and is in fact contraindicated by language that says a person can’t lose his life without due process.

Big difference.

It’s not the courts job to be popular, only to be constitutional.
it’s the legislatures job to be popular.
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The right to own guns is not in the Constitution, it’s interpreted to be so by some from the Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The Supreme Court released very few groundbreaking opinions on this until 2008 when they found the Second Amendment does in fact protect an individual right to bear arms.
So now the same Court has decided that abortion is not a right because there’s not enough historical precedence and that unlimited gun rights are allowed building on a 2008 decision.

Just more proof that “originalism” is really cuz I wanna
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The right to own guns is not in the Constitution, it’s interpreted to be so by some from the Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The Supreme Court released very few groundbreaking opinions on this until 2008 when they found the Second Amendment does in fact protect an individual right to bear arms.
So now the same Court has decided that abortion is not a right because there’s not enough historical precedence and that unlimited gun rights are allowed building on a 2008 decision.

Just more proof that “originalism” is really cuz I wanna
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pete, there’s zero legal
argument that abortion is in there. zilch. and the left is terrified about having to debate this honestly in public because of how depraved it actually is. current science makes it look even uglier.

trump did this to you. let that sink in.
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No Jim, science doesn’t back up anti abortion theory.

You better get used to the idea that every miscarriage from today forward will HAVE to be investigated for possible negligent homicide, manslaughter, 3rd degree murder, whatever your state calls it

Women are going to end up in prison for miscarriages. That's where this is going.

But checks and balances…

But legal precedence…

But political norms…

But compromise…

But settled law…

We heard a lot of feel-good rationalizations on our way to becoming Oceania, didn’t we?
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No Jim, science doesn’t back up anti abortion theory.

You better get used to the idea that every miscarriage from today forward will HAVE to be investigated for possible negligent homicide, manslaughter, 3rd degree murder, whatever your state calls it

Women are going to end up in prison for miscarriages. That's where this is going.

But checks and balances…

But legal precedence…

But political norms…

But compromise…

But settled law…

We heard a lot of feel-good rationalizations on our way to becoming Oceania, didn’t we?
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i said science makes it look uglier. Videos of late first trimester abortions show the baby physically resisting the instruments of the abortion. your side doesn’t want that out there.
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When you read Clarence Thomas’s concurrence, where he calls into question many other rights based on the fundamental right to privacy, remember that he testified unequivocally in his confirmation hearings that there is a right to privacy in the Constitution.
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When you read Clarence Thomas’s concurrence, where he calls into question many other rights based on the fundamental right to privacy, remember that he testified unequivocally in his confirmation hearings that there is a right to privacy in the Constitution.
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The other opinion very explicitly says that the ruling doesn’t apply to rights other then abortion.

There’s a solid legal
regiment for gay marriage and interracial marriage, the right not to be discriminated against.

There’s no defensible legal argument that a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion. it was a stupid legal decision.

You think it’s better for 9 unelected judges to decide these things for all of us, rather then we getting to decide through our state officials? you’re opposed to democracy?

Pete i’m a conservative living in CT. I made peace a king time ago with the family t that i won’t always get what i want. I do what i can, and i don’t even lose any sleep over it. I don’t like it obviously, but Im fine with it. It’s called democracy.

do you have any comment at all, about Maxine Waters’ language?
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As Roe falls, criminal defense lawyers sound the alarm about mass incarceration

with a criminalized abortion, the "victim" isn't pressing charges. They're fighting them.

Yep all these god fearing red states who have criminalized Abortion or the morning after pill people and have made laws to basically deputize those people in their rabid base to seek out and report these women killers or parents of Transgender children for child abuse! No facts required just a feeling or even less if the vote Democratic.

Keep telling yourself they are not come for gay marriage trans rights or birth control ( this case was only about 15week law but they moved the goal post). Thomas writing was for yard sale sign for those people and Thomas invited them to file lawsuits

But I love this one the best Roe was egregiously wrong from the start," Alito writes in the draft opinion. He’s been on the bench since 2006 . But in 2022 he and Republicans stacked the court enough ( with clear dishonesty)with like minded justices to take this position..

His solo dissent in that 1991 case is a big reason conservatives are so enthusiastic

At issue in the case, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, was whether a state could force married women to notify their husbands before they obtain an abortion. The Pennsylvania Legislature enacted such a regulation in 1989, saying a father has a legitimate interest in the fate of his unborn child.


Alito voted to uphold it as a judge on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia. He argued the rule did not put an “undue burden” on women, But when the case reached the Supreme Court in 1992, O’Connor and the court majority rejected Alito’s view and characterized the “spousal-notification” rule as an insult to married women. “Women do not lose their constitutionally protected liberty when they marry,” the court said in an opinion written in part by O’Connor. It is “repugnant to our present understanding of marriage” to permit the state “to enable the husband to wield an effective veto over his wife’s decision,” the court said.
Yep another devout Catholic were man is the boss


Jim there’s is noting to comment on what waters said .. only you and the your conservatives puppet masters

Are claiming she made a threat … it’s more likely because she’s Black ….

If I recall you defended .. video of Colorado Representative Lauren Boebert saying she prays that President Joe Biden's days are few Psalms 109:8. Just another example of selective reading and claiming something was said or inferred . When clearly the words don’t back you up
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wayne, please point to where i claimed Waters threatened anyone?

She said “the hell with” one of the three branches of our government, and she called for people to defy a court ruling.

And you say that’s not worth commenting on?

And you blatantly lie and say i claimed she’s threatening people.

I lived with Roe being in place my whole life. It never caused me to have any mental breakdowns. But the pendulum
has swung as it always does, and the left is coming apart, as they always do when they don’t get their way

I claimed she threatened people. Again, please point to where i said that.
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The other opinion very explicitly says that the ruling doesn’t apply to rights other then abortion.

There’s a solid legal
regiment for gay marriage and interracial marriage, the right not to be discriminated against.

There’s no defensible legal argument that a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion. it was a stupid legal decision.

You think it’s better for 9 unelected judges to decide these things for all of us, rather then we getting to decide through our state officials? you’re opposed to democracy?

Pete i’m a conservative living in CT. I made peace a king time ago with the family t that i won’t always get what i want. I do what i can, and i don’t even lose any sleep over it. I don’t like it obviously, but Im fine with it. It’s called democracy.

do you have any comment at all, about Maxine Waters’ language?
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She’s far more of a realist than you.

Things have changed a lot since 1973. As a practical matter, it's a lot harder now for the government to block access to abortion.

So if states want to stop abortions – and they do – they're going to have to get a lot more invasive, and a lot more draconian, to do it.

The advocates of enforced gestation have at long last succeeded in stripping away Roe's Constitutional protections – only to find themselves in a world where, even after it's been outlawed, abortion care will still be available with a quick google search and a few mouse clicks.

Over half of all abortions are already done with medication that can be sent through the mail.

So, once abortions are made illegal, but most who seek abortion care are able to receive it anyway, are states like Texas and Georgia going to simply say, "oh well, we tried"?

To combat this, states are going to have to greatly expand the reach of their abortion prohibitions and the severity of the resulting punishments.

And they will likely try new ways to detect and investigate miscarriages – because every miscarriage is now a potential illegal act.

And that’s why MAGA states are no longer safe for women. Even women who would personally never have an abortion and oppose it. 1/4 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Women of child bearing age are at risk of being treated like criminals or accused of a criminal act.

Don’t claim it won’t, because it already has happened.

This radical court will strip the right to privacy from every American eventually.

As far as your claim that the left is coming apart, Americans are coming together to deal with this radical MAGA court.
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pete you won’t comment on Waters’ remarks. You’re a coward.
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pete you won’t comment on Waters’ remarks. You’re a coward.
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I did, apparently you’re illiterate
Read what I wrote
She’s correct and you’re dreaming if you think that what the Supreme Court did will stop abortion in this country.
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I did, apparently you’re illiterate
Read what I wrote
She’s correct and you’re dreaming if you think that what the Supreme Court did will stop abortion in this country.
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i’ve said 100 times that overturning Roe can’t have much practical effect. Abortions will be available in half the states. So we agree.

Therefore, there’s no reason for your side to act like the world
just ended, is there?

So every time the court rules in a way the left doesn’t like, they can go to hell? is that how it works?
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i’ve said 100 times that overturning Roe can’t have much practical effect. Abortions will be available in half the states. So we agree.

Therefore, there’s no reason for your side to act like the world
just ended, is there?

So every time the court rules in a way the left doesn’t like, they can go to hell? is that how it works?
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They can be ignored at some peril.
You can’t imprison people for their thoughts yet and hopefully not in my state.

Next, the court will dismantle the federal regulatory apparatus on Monday.

This will push each state to have to implement its own wildly different environmental and regulatory regimes.

They're going to literally destroy the country.

In a country this polarized, leaving each state to do whatever it wants while keeping Congress broken and undemocratic by filibusters, gerrymandering and big money in elections, means the country will inevitably balkanize. Originalism is a path to national destruction.

Blue states will be providing corridors and safe havens for women, LGBT people and others, in shadows of the 1860s. Companies won't be able to have offices in some states. People won't send their kids to college in certain states. States will be constantly suing each other.

It all comes down to the fact that the compromises the Framers made to get slave states on board with a union were bad ones and led to a civil war. Reconstruction didn't last long enough. Jim Crow should have been demolished by force. This is the same #^&#^&#^&#^&, different day.

The "states should do whatever they want and the federal govt should have no power except what literally passes filibuster-proof through our broken, rigged, apartheid, and dark-money-drenched Congress & White House" crowd, if they win, will literally destroy the country.

Letting every state functionally be a country unto itself while leaving Congress rigged and broken is a horrifically bad idea. Republicans are literally destroying this country's ability to function as a unified whole.

All because some appointed people believe in the absurd originalist doctrine that claims
(1) we should ignore changes in social conditions or context
(2) we should trust politically motivated lawyers to interpret the contextual meaning of anything that happened 300 years ago.
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wayne, please point to where i claimed Waters threatened anyone?

She said “the hell with” one of the three branches of our government, and she called for people to defy a court ruling.

And you say that’s not worth commenting on?

And you blatantly lie and say i claimed she’s threatening people.

I lived with Roe being in place my whole life. It never caused me to have any mental breakdowns. But the pendulum
has swung as it always does, and the left is coming apart, as they always do when they don’t get their way

I claimed she threatened people. Again, please point to where i said that.
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Odd RR responds to your Thread

Looked to me like Jim started a post about the words of Maxine Waters & her call for violence……….
Silence …….

I didn’t see you correct Him .but now it’s not violence it’s about contempt of one of the branches of Government ..

You really don’t pay attention to the party that’s disrespectful to all 3 branches of government . But you don’t have much to say about them and the last administration behavior

Your just trying to create outrage we’re none exist

Please define your understanding of the use of defying the ruling ?

How would she or anyone do that in states who ban abortion, other than getting a back alley abortion

So how do you 2@ supporters comments every time gun control is mentioned. I hear a lot of stuff like over my dead body or they need to pry it from my dead cold hand

Or gun are to protect us from Government tyranny

For them it’s considered free speech

And their response is violence

it’s odd Water isn’t provided that same benefit of free speech to disagree with the ruling?
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Grosss
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So all Trump appointees lied in confirmation hearings and we shouldn’t be pissed they have now become political, I think women might upset some races after their constitutional right is stripped away.

If American women followed the Icelandic model

In 1975, women of Iceland went on strike for equal rights. 90% of women walked off their jobs & homes, shutting down the entire country. The men could barely cope. Five years later, Iceland elected first female President. Now Iceland has the highest gender equality in the world.
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So all Trump appointees lied in confirmation hearings and we shouldn’t be pissed they have now become political, I think women might upset some races after their constitutional right is stripped away.

tell us the lie they told. none of them came close to saying they’d never overturn Roe.

Ginsburg started the precedent of refusing to promise how she’d decide a future hypothetical
case.

saying “i respect the law”, is nowhere near the same as saying “i wont overturn it.”.

it’s not a constitutional
right if it’s not even remotely implied in the constitution.
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tell us the lie they told. none of them came close to saying they’d never overturn Roe.

Ginsburg started the precedent of refusing to promise how she’d decide a future hypothetical
case.

saying “i respect the law”, is nowhere near the same as saying “i wont overturn it.”.

it’s not a constitutional
right if it’s not even remotely implied in the constitution.
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The judges who overturned it spent a lot of time swearing how much they care about stare decisis and settled law and social impact and blah blah blah knowing they'd do this if they got the chance. That's activism, not "returning it to the political process.
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The the judges who overturned it spent a lot of time swearing how much they care about stare decisis and settled law and social impact and blah blah blah knowing they'd do this if they got the chance. That's activism, not "returning it to the political process.
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did they promise not to overturn it?

Should we not have overturned the Dred Scott decision?

Roe was a stupid, completely fabricated decision. The protection against illegal search and seizure, implies the right to kill a baby? Sorry, it’s stupid.

And Trump did this to you. Let that sink in, and you’ll hear your tin foil
hat getting tighter and tighter.
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Actually Jim, it was engineered by McConnell.

I’d also lay the blame on the worst CJ in SCOTUS history, John Roberts.
Under his watch, voter suppression from extreme gerrymandering, unlimited dark $ for candidates, overturning reasonable firearms restrictions, overturning Roe, & no ethics rules for compromised Justices like Clarence Thomas.

But this decision is much worse than Roe. There is no scientific or ethical or civil basis for the position that life begins at conception.
Religion is the only basis & our constitution forbids laws based on religious beliefs.

How’s your hero Trump doing?
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There is no scientific or ethical or civil basis for the position that life begins at conception.

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LIFE
1.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

CONCEPTION
1.
the action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived.

CONCIEVE
1.
become pregnant with (a child).

You’re wrong
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You’re wrong
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it's not complicated.....

Actually Jim, it was engineered by McConnell.

I’d also lay the blame on the worst CJ in SCOTUS history, John Roberts.
Under his watch, voter suppression from extreme gerrymandering, unlimited dark $ for candidates, overturning reasonable firearms restrictions, overturning Roe, & no ethics rules for compromised Justices like Clarence Thomas.

But this decision is much worse than Roe. There is no scientific or ethical or civil basis for the position that life begins at conception.
Religion is the only basis & our constitution forbids laws based on religious beliefs.

How’s your hero Trump doing?
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you don’t have to be catholic to believe that Roe was wrongly decided based on what the constitution says.

Trump is my hero? No, but he’s my club with you, a very effective club.

Like most liberals, you’re too crazed with hate ( or perhaps too stupid) to differentiate between being opposed to abortion and being opposed to the way Roe was decided.

It wasn’t an opinion on abortion. It was an opinion on judicial activism.
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The judges who overturned it spent a lot of time swearing how much they care about stare decisis and settled law and social impact and blah blah blah knowing they'd do this if they got the chance. That's activism, not "returning it to the political process.
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caring about stare decks is isn’t the same thing as saying a ruling can
never be overturned. it’s not activism. it’s common sense.

Sticking to the constitution is the exact opposite of activism.
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You’re wrong
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every unborn baby aborted ( tens of
millions of them), would
argue that there is a compelling ethical case to be made that they became a person at conception.

here’s the logic. Conception is literally the only moment in our entire path of life when something spectacular happens, when something literally gets created that wasn’t there a minute ago.

Picking any other time
to assign personhood ( 15 weeks for example) is completely arbitrary and totally devoid of any logic. Other than conception, we are never any different at any moment, than we were a minute before. Never.

Make that wrong.

You can’t.

You can’t win this, you aren’t holding any cards. I get the benefit that abortion provides to the moms. But there’s another party involved.

It’s easy to be pro abortion when
you ignore the baby. I’ve seen the ultrasounds, it’s obvious what i’m looking at.
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Pete, you asked how Trump is doing? If you look at the polls, he’s doing about as well as Biden. What does that tell you?

Have fun answering that.

Destroyed.
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every unborn baby aborted ( tens of
millions of them), would
argue that there is a compelling ethical case to be made that they became a person at conception.

here’s the logic. Conception is literally the only moment in our entire path of life when something spectacular happens, when something literally gets created that wasn’t there a minute ago.

Picking any other time
to assign personhood ( 15 weeks for example) is completely arbitrary and totally devoid of any logic. Other than conception, we are never any different at any moment, than we were a minute before. Never.

Make that wrong.

You can’t.

You can’t win this, you aren’t holding any cards. I get the benefit that abortion provides to the moms. But there’s another party involved.

It’s easy to be pro abortion when
you ignore the baby. I’ve seen the ultrasounds, it’s obvious what i’m looking at.
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You forget that this ruling puts women back in their place, according to the old white male guard and takes their right to control their own lives and body. This supreme court is going to start chipping away at other rights that same court gave people, what does that say about the court, it's now become an arm of one political party and not the majority opinion in this country. Be careful what you wish for, again I think and hope this will come back to bite the right at the mid terms and hopefully in 24; please Trump I want you to run.

You forget that this ruling puts women back in their place, according to the old white male guard and takes their right to control their own lives and body. This supreme court is going to start chipping away at other rights that same court gave people, what does that say about the court, it's now become an arm of one political party and not the majority opinion in this country. Be careful what you wish for, again I think and hope this will come back to bite the right at the mid terms and hopefully in 24; please Trump I want you to run.

“The ruling” is only supposed to consider constitutionality, not the unfortunate effect t that the ruling may have.

Are you aware that every courthouse has a statue of Lady Justice wearing a blindfold? Do you have any clue what the blindfold represents?

also, huge numbers of women are anti abortion. your side always pretends that all women are pro abortion, and that only men are anti abortion. Not remotely true.

“old white male guard” like Clarence Thomas and Amy Barrett.

When you have zero logic or empathy, you can always play the bigot card!

Have you seen the way Hispanics are shifting to the right?

The court had a left lean for decades, you never co
pained about that once. Is it written in the stars that the supreme court must always lean left?

Nowhere in that rant did you mention the baby.

I can talk about moms all
day. Your side goes to amazing lengths to avoid discussing the baby.

Videos of first trimester abortions show babies physically resisting the instruments of the abortion. That means nothing to you? Yeesh.
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Sticking to the constitution is the exact opposite of activism.

So every SJC since 1972. Had the constitution wrong ? And these justices have cracked the code on the correct interpretation of the constitution…. ? For 1 reason only. it fits their religious ideology, and all the legal claims are considered weak

The world is laughing at us over this ruling

Italy However, his party leader, Matteo Salvini, was notably more nuanced, stating that he believes "in the value of life… but on pregnancy, the last word belongs to the woman" - perhaps a recognition that the majority of Italians say they still support the right to abort.

of Ireland news of the US Supreme Court ruling has triggered a swift and passionate response. The issue stirs deep emotions here where abortion was only relatively recently decriminalised. The world continues to watch America become unrecognisable," wrote Dr Jennifer Cassidy on Twitter, a university lecturer who was in Dublin in 2018 when jubilant crowds celebrated as the Republic of Ireland voted to decriminalise abortion.

This will embolden the most conservative groups in our countries who consistently deny women rights",

Justin Trudeau, did not mince words, calling it a "devastating setback" and "horrific" for women.
"Quite frankly, it's an attack on everyone's freedoms and rights," Mr Trudeau said


61% majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 37% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. These views are relatively unchanged in the past few years

This is what tyranny looks like at the hands of the minority

The US is starting to look like Iraq where the Sunnis ruled as the minority for decades, unable to win the popular vote on merits they just did what trump tried to do instal himself has leader by placing supporters who would make sure it happens , that’s why you have election denying Republicans with Trumps support running for secretary’s of state in swing states . And Trump supporters are not watch the hearings because they are upset it didn’t work. Not that he tried

And the Republicans are a cult Arizona lawmaker Rusty Bowers would vote for Trump again despite his emotional Jan. 6 testimony

If he is the nominee, if he was up against Biden, I’d vote for him again,” Bowers ​told the Associated Press. “Simply because what he did the first time, before COVID, was so good for the county. In my view, it was great.” So much for having principles
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Sticking to the constitution is the exact opposite of activism.

So every SJC since 1972. Had the constitution wrong ? And these justices have cracked the code on the correct interpretation of the constitution…. ? For 1 reason only. it fits their religious ideology, and all the legal claims are considered weak

The world is laughing at us over this ruling

Italy However, his party leader, Matteo Salvini, was notably more nuanced, stating that he believes "in the value of life… but on pregnancy, the last word belongs to the woman" - perhaps a recognition that the majority of Italians say they still support the right to abort.

of Ireland news of the US Supreme Court ruling has triggered a swift and passionate response. The issue stirs deep emotions here where abortion was only relatively recently decriminalised. The world continues to watch America become unrecognisable," wrote Dr Jennifer Cassidy on Twitter, a university lecturer who was in Dublin in 2018 when jubilant crowds celebrated as the Republic of Ireland voted to decriminalise abortion.

This will embolden the most conservative groups in our countries who consistently deny women rights",

Justin Trudeau, did not mince words, calling it a "devastating setback" and "horrific" for women.
"Quite frankly, it's an attack on everyone's freedoms and rights," Mr Trudeau said


61% majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 37% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. These views are relatively unchanged in the past few years

This is what tyranny looks like at the hands of the minority

The US is starting to look like Iraq where the Sunnis ruled as the minority for decades, unable to win the popular vote on merits they just did what trump tried to do instal himself has leader by placing supporters who would make sure it happens , that’s why you have election denying Republicans with Trumps support running for secretary’s of state in swing states . And Trump supporters are not watch the hearings because they are upset it didn’t work. Not that he tried

And the Republicans are a cult Arizona lawmaker Rusty Bowers would vote for Trump again despite his emotional Jan. 6 testimony

If he is the nominee, if he was up against Biden, I’d vote for him again,” Bowers ​told the Associated Press. “Simply because what he did the first time, before COVID, was so good for the county. In my view, it was great.” So much for having principles
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when did i say every decision was wrong?

hearing those voices again.

But this one specific decision, was absurd. Going from “protection against illegal search and seizure” to abortion, is a questionable leap at best.

All you have, are complaints about how this impacts women. Again, the supreme court isn’t supposed to care about that. Only about the constitutionality.

If you want to discuss the pros and cons of abortion, the place to do that is with your legislature.

Do you have a legal Argument about why it’s reasonable to assume
the constitution was meant to protect abortion?

Ah, the popular vote tantrum. The GOP did a better job responding to the mathematical realities of the electoral college. If popular vote mattered, the gop would do what the democrats do, ignore flyover country and focus on the populated coastal areas. But it would be stupid to do that.

“we’re becoming like Iraq.”

My god man. This decision literally means that we get to decide on abortion, rather than 9 unelected lawyers deciding for us.

This decision is a move towards representative democracy. There’s no arguing that. None.
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when did i say every decision was wrong?

hearing those voices again.

But this one specific decision, was absurd. Going from “protection against illegal search and seizure” to abortion, is a questionable leap at best.

All you have, are complaints about how this impacts women. Again, the supreme court isn’t supposed to care about that. Only about the constitutionality.

If you want to discuss the pros and cons of abortion, the place to do that is with your legislature.

Do you have a legal Argument about why it’s reasonable to assume
the constitution was meant to protect abortion?

Ah, the popular vote tantrum. The GOP did a better job responding to the mathematical realities of the electoral college. If popular vote mattered, the gop would do what the democrats do, ignore flyover country and focus on the populated coastal areas. But it would be stupid to do that.

“we’re becoming like Iraq.”

My god man. This decision literally means that we get to decide on abortion, rather than 9 unelected lawyers deciding for us.

This decision is a move towards representative democracy. There’s no arguing that. None.
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n a 6-3 decision for Vega v. Tekoh, the Court ruled that individuals cannot sue for a civil rights violence if an officer(s) failed to warn them of their Miranda rights — even if the subsequent evidence obtained by police following the lack of a Miranda warning is used in a criminal trial


Republicans are embracing all forms of right wing extremism from Fascism to nationalism

Rhode Island Democratic state Senate candidate Jennifer Rourke was punched in the face by her GOP opponent -- a police officer who was off-duty -- during an abortion rights rally at the State House in Providence Friday night, Rourke told CNN in a statement.

In illinois “President Trump, on behalf of all the Maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the supreme court yesterday,” she said, drawing cheers from the crowd in Illinois.

Miller is running for reelection in the state’s newly redrawn 15th congressional district against GOP Republican Rodney Davis with the former president’s blessing. they won't even try hide it anymore of course they claim she meant to say right even if she was reading it off a paper .. she must have dementia

n a 6-3 decision for Vega v. Tekoh, the Court ruled that individuals cannot sue for a civil rights violence if an officer(s) failed to warn them of their Miranda rights — even if the subsequent evidence obtained by police following the lack of a Miranda warning is used in a criminal trial


Republicans are embracing all forms of right wing extremism from Fascism to nationalism

Rhode Island Democratic state Senate candidate Jennifer Rourke was punched in the face by her GOP opponent -- a police officer who was off-duty -- during an abortion rights rally at the State House in Providence Friday night, Rourke told CNN in a statement.

In illinois “President Trump, on behalf of all the Maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the supreme court yesterday,” she said, drawing cheers from the crowd in Illinois.

Miller is running for reelection in the state’s newly redrawn 15th congressional district against GOP Republican Rodney Davis with the former president’s blessing. they won't even try hide it anymore of course they claim she meant to say right even if she was reading it off a paper .. she must have dementia

you’re saying the gop
embraces nationalism.

The gop wants small federal government, more states rights. It’s literally the opposite of federalism.

You couldn’t be more wrong.

Fascism is when unelected people set policy. Democracy is when citizens get to decide.
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This decision is a move towards representative democracy. There’s no arguing that. None.

yea ok keep believing that nonsense not a single red state will put an abortion referendum on the ballot

So the mathematical realities of the electoral college in your mind is representative democracy your drinking the GOP kool aid again

tyranny of the minority that's why i compared the GOP vision of the US to Iraq cheating to stay in power from trying to overturn elections to gerrymandering districts and you were right the GOP are playing Mathematics to get votes ! Not actual trying to get elected on policy or message . you can't lose an election if there is no opposition in your district because you rigged it that way


Gerrymandering is at least partly to blame for the lopsided Republican representation in the House. According to an analysis, the Democrats are under-represented by about 18 seats in the House, relative to their vote share in The way Republicans pulled that off was to draw some really, really funky-looking Congressional districts.

GOP version of representative democracy. to bad the math shows their deceit

This decision is a move towards representative democracy. There’s no arguing that. None.

yea ok keep believing that nonsense not a single red state will put an abortion referendum on the ballot

So the mathematical realities of the electoral college in your mind is representative democracy your drinking the GOP kool aid again

tyranny of the minority that's why i compared the GOP vision of the US to Iraq cheating to stay in power from trying to overturn elections to gerrymandering districts and you were right the GOP are playing Mathematics to get votes ! Not actual trying to get elected on policy or message . you can't lose an election if there is no opposition in your district because you rigged it that way


Gerrymandering is at least partly to blame for the lopsided Republican representation in the House. According to an analysis, the Democrats are under-represented by about 18 seats in the House, relative to their vote share in The way Republicans pulled that off was to draw some really, really funky-looking Congressional districts.

GOP version of representative democracy. to bad the math shows their deceit

the electoral college was a promise made to the less populated colonies to get them to join the union, to relieve their concerns verbs that their needs would
be cast aside for needs of more populous colonies. I never said otherwise.

If your side stopped showing disdain for flyover country, perhaps they’d do better with the electoral college. The GOP does a better job of reacting to the realities of the electoral math.

Every single
post, you’re responsible g to something i never said.

Your actually claimed that it’s “nationalism” to allow each of the 50 states to decide an issue. You have absolutely no idea what nationalism means. None.
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“The ruling” is only supposed to consider constitutionality, not the unfortunate effect t that the ruling may have.

Are you aware that every courthouse has a statue of Lady Justice wearing a blindfold? Do you have any clue what the blindfold represents?

also, huge numbers of women are anti abortion. your side always pretends that all women are pro abortion, and that only men are anti abortion. Not remotely true.

“old white male guard” like Clarence Thomas and Amy Barrett.

When you have zero logic or empathy, you can always play the bigot card!

Have you seen the way Hispanics are shifting to the right?

The court had a left lean for decades, you never co
pained about that once. Is it written in the stars that the supreme court must always lean left?

Nowhere in that rant did you mention the baby.

I can talk about moms all
day. Your side goes to amazing lengths to avoid discussing the baby.

Videos of first trimester abortions show babies physically resisting the instruments of the abortion. That means nothing to you? Yeesh.
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Clarence is a male chauvinist white man in black face and Amy is a Trump appointment need I say more?

Who could possibly mount a defense against that argument :rolleyes:
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Clarence is a male chauvinist white man in black face and Amy is a Trump appointment need I say more?

wow!

in other words, he’s not really black unless he thinks and behaves the way you say he should.

why are so many women anti abortion, Einstein?

Wow.

You said the quiet part out loud.

Barrett also adopted TWO children from Haiti, which dwarfs anything you and i have ever done to improve the world. She adopted two black children. So is she a racist too?
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The midterms are coming

By more than a 20-point margin, Americans call it a step backward rather than forward for America. And women, by more than three to one, think the ruling will make women's lives worse rather than better.

The current court did decide this, in the face of 50 years of decisions.
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The midterms are coming

By more than a 20-point margin, Americans call it a step backward rather than forward for America. And women, by more than three to one, think the ruling will make women's lives worse rather than better.

The current court did decide this, in the face of 50 years of decisions.
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are you suggesting that the supreme court should base decisions on what improves life for women?
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A new CBS poll found that 50% of Democrats say they’re more likely to vote in the midterm elections after SCOTUS ruling to overturn RvW

Only 20% of Republicans said the same.

They made a political choice.
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A new CBS poll found that 50% of Democrats say they’re more likely to vote in the midterm elections after SCOTUS ruling to overturn RvW

Only 20% of Republicans said the same.

They made a political choice.
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dodged the question like a wuss.

SCOTUS isn’t supposed to make decisions based on midterms
either. and pro life people
would rather have this result and lose the next election, than win the election without the result.

it has to help the left. question is by how much. we’ll soon see.
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dodged the question like a wuss.

SCOTUS isn’t supposed to make decisions based on midterms
either. and pro life people
would rather have this result and lose the next election, than win the election without the result.

it has to help the left. question is by how much. we’ll soon see.
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They made a political decision

A supermajority of women (67%) disapprove of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, according to a new @CBSNews poll.
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They made a political decision

A supermajority of women (67%) disapprove of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, according to a new @CBSNews poll.
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who is “they” who made a political decision?

100% of women feel that inflation is hurting their families.
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who is “they” who made a political decision?

100% of women feel that inflation is hurting their families.
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Start with the Federalists, then McConnell, then the majority of the current Court
The Republican Party wants a nationwide ban on abortion.
And will push for it if they regain power.

Inflation will end, the removal of rights by this extremist court is just starting.
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Start with the Federalists, then McConnell, then the majority of the current Court
The Republican Party wants a nationwide ban on abortion.
And will push for it if they regain power.

Inflation will end, the removal of rights by this extremist court is just starting.
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will inflation end by November? and will it end only by hiking rates to the point of recession?
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will inflation end by November? and will it end only by hiking rates to the point of recession?
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Ahh, the master of whataboutism

All Americans, asked about what law they'd like in their state:
32%: abortion should be legal in all cases
32%: abortion should be legal in most cases
27%: abortion should be illegal in most cases
9%: abortion should be illegal in all cases.

This will be the defining issue in the midterms, you’ll chant what about in lockstep with your masters.

Resentment and a sense of inferiority can’t be fixed by winning elections and court decisions. It can’t be fixed at all, by anything.

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Ahh, the master of whataboutism

All Americans, asked about what law they'd like in their state:
32%: abortion should be legal in all cases
32%: abortion should be legal in most cases
27%: abortion should be illegal in most cases
9%: abortion should be illegal in all cases.

This will be the defining issue in the midterms, you’ll chant what about in lockstep with your masters.

Resentment and a sense of inferiority can’t be fixed by winning elections and court decisions. It can’t be fixed at all, by anything.

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If this will be a defining issue, you should be happy. but you aren’t. so i don’t think you really believe this will be anywhere near the issue that the economy will be


but you may be right. If the price of overturning that decision is the midterms, i can live with that.

you e said abortion should be allowed until birth. what % of americans agree with you?
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I see that MAGA sees the polling and is scared
Oddly enough you’re in lockstep with them trying to claim opposing the decision of the MAGA court is extreme.
The MAGA court’s next political step?
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I see that MAGA sees the polling and is scared
Oddly enough you’re in lockstep with them trying to claim opposing the decision of the MAGA court is extreme.
The MAGA court’s next political step?
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i said that supporting abortion in the third trimester is extreme. Here, it says 19% of americans support it. that’s extreme

i immediately concede a big majority want abortion available in. at least some cases. but very few go as far as you.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/25/majority-of-americans-support-abortion-poll-finds---but-not-later-in-the-pregnancy/amp/
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Unfortunately for you nobody on the left is requiring people to have an abortion, unlike the prior administration’s forced sterilization of immigrants.
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Unfortunately for you nobody on the left is requiring people to have an abortion, unlike the prior administration’s forced sterilization of immigrants.
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you think it’s bad for me, that people aren’t required to get abortions. d be happier, if people
we’re forced to get abortions?

You are an unbelievable idiot.

You said abortion should be available until birth. Poll after poll
shows that’s a fringe position.
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“I think we can say, ‘Look, if you travel out of state for an abortion, that abortionist can be held liable,’

pushing Congress to pass a national prohibition, blocking abortion pills, and limiting people’s ability to get abortions across state lines.

Mike Pence and other GOP leaders have called for a national ban.

Republican caliphate thats the new gop
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“I think we can say, ‘Look, if you travel out of state for an abortion, that abortionist can be held liable,’

pushing Congress to pass a national prohibition, blocking abortion pills, and limiting people’s ability to get abortions across state lines.

Mike Pence and other GOP leaders have called for a national ban.

Republican caliphate thats the new gop
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explain to us how it’s “nationalist”
to say each of the 50 states should
decide, instead of 9 unelected lawyers in DC. I really want to hear how that’s nationalistic.
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the electoral college was a promise made to the less populated colonies to get them to join the union, to relieve their concerns verbs that their needs would
be cast aside for needs of more populous colonies. I never said otherwise.

If your side stopped showing disdain for flyover country, perhaps they’d do better with the electoral college. The GOP does a better job of reacting to the realities of the electoral math.

Every single
post, you’re responsible g to something i never said.

Your actually claimed that it’s “nationalism” to allow each of the 50 states to decide an issue. You have absolutely no idea what nationalism means. None.
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Ya ok keep up your delusions

I bet you think nationalism and fascism and Trump trying to seal the election are patriotic yet Democrats are socialists and communist & Authoritarian . I only see one party dragging America backward and it doesn’t start with a D or an I
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Ya ok keep up your delusions

I bet you think nationalism and fascism and Trump trying to seal the election are patriotic yet Democrats are socialists and communist & Authoritarian . I only see one party dragging America backward and it doesn’t start with a D or an I
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why won’t you just explain why it’s nationalist to say states, and not the feds, get to decide?

it’s the exact opposite of nationalist. You could not be more wrong.

polls show a huge % of americans think biden and congress are doing poorly. so it’s not worth much that you think it’s just the gop.
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you think it’s bad for me, that people aren’t required to get abortions. d be happier, if people
we’re forced to get abortions?

You are an unbelievable idiot.

You said abortion should be available until birth. Poll after poll
shows that’s a fringe position.
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Republicans want zero abortions, not for any cause, rape, incest, cancer treatment, danger to the mother.
The rapist gets how many years and the person who was raped gets?

How long would you imprison your mother, sister, wife for receiving or aiding in an abortion.

"abortion was so “deeply rooted” in colonial America that one of our nation’s most influential architects went out of his way to insert it into the most widely & enduringly read..math textbook of the colonial Americas..Abortion was simply a part of life"

The Supreme Court now largely functions as a mechanism for turning right wing culture war grievances into law, and the reason other constitutional rights are not safe is there will always be a new conservative grudge to be remedied by judicial fiat.

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The Supreme Court now largely functions as a mechanism for turning right wing culture war grievances into law,

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which culture grievance did they create a law for pete?

explain to us how it’s “nationalist”
to say each of the 50 states should
decide, instead of 9 unelected lawyers in DC. I really want to hear how that’s nationalistic.
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if it's so popular Congress should have no problem passing a law or amending the Constitution....which is what should have been done originally...

I keep hearing the media morons refer to "the Constitutionally protected right to abortion"....I don't believe it is mentioned anywhere in the Constitution or it's Amendments, you will never hear these same people refer to the "Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms" which is actually in there....they really need their own country...with biden running things......

did you see pelosi elbow that little girl out of the way the other day?

which culture grievance did they create a law for pete?

Rowe v Wade

All because some appointed people believe in the absurd originalist doctrine that claims
(1) we should ignore changes in social conditions or context
(2) we should trust politically motivated lawyers to interpret the contextual meaning of anything that happened 300 years ago.
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Rowe v Wade

All because some appointed people believe in the absurd originalist doctrine that claims
(1) we should ignore changes in social conditions or context
(2) we should trust politically motivated lawyers to interpret the contextual meaning of anything that happened 300 years ago.
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but you’re only ok when liberals can decide “what they meant to say” in the constitution”.

if you want the constitution to mean something other than what it says, either amend it, or deal with it.

again, you’re wrong. it’s your side who wants to trust lawyers, unelected lawyers at that, by saying SCOTUS has the authority to set policy.

Better to leave that to legislators who we can remove if we choose.

You have zero grasp of the role of the different branches of government.
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so it’s nationalist to want states to decide this, instead of 9 unelected lawyers in DC.

And Amy Barrett is racist, despite having adopted two children from Haiti.

You guys are just overflowing with common sense here.
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The people who claim government is too big, are totally fine with government intervening in your private lives & using the law to limit what choices you can make about your body.

Don’t forget, they hate the government unless the government is enforcing their religious extremism.
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You guys are just overflowing with common sense here.

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uncontrollably venting nonsense like the nuts at the protests....

uncontrollably venting nonsense like the nuts at the protests....

you’ll never see more disinformation spread on any issue, than in this one. Nor will you avet see one side pretend that the key issue ( rights of the unborn baby) doesn’t even exist, they never, ever talk about it. They’re desperately trying to convince themselves that the anti abortion folks aren’t motivated by empathy for the unborn, we’re all motivated by hatred of women. the woman is the only one with a stake in this, no one else.
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The people who fought against mask & vaccine mandates during a pandemic that killed a million Americans because they felt those public health measures violated their “freedom” have no problem forcing women to have babies. This is not about protecting life. This is about religion.
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This is not about protecting life. This is about religion.
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I thought it was about enslaving women?

And trump did this to you. don’t forget.
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I thought it was about enslaving women?

And trump did this to you. don’t forget.

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it's hard to respond to him, he's just yelling craziness....biden is making trump look like a pretty good president....

it's hard to respond to him, he's just yelling craziness....biden is making trump look like a pretty good president....

He’s making Trump look like Eisenhower.
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In the dissent, Justice Soto-Mayor said specifically, “How is this about anything other than religion?”
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Justice Antonin Scalia, an avid pro-lifer, wrote in his Casey dissent (joined by Justices Rehnquist, White, and Thomas) that as to the moral significance of the fetus, “There is of course no way to determine that as a legal matter; it is in fact a value judgment.”
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In the dissent, Justice Soto-Mayor said specifically, “How is this about anything other than religion?”
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she also said this....soooo.....maybe she's not a biologist or something......

“Omicron is as deadly as Delta … we have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators.”

“We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition,” Sotomayor added, “and many on ventilators.”

Not only did Sotomayor’s statement contradict experts who say Omicron is less severe than Delta, but it defied data from the Department of Health and Human Services showing a total of 3,342 confirmed pediatric hospitalizations with COVID-19 across the US as of Friday — making the justice’s math off by a factor of nearly 30.

wonder why Thomas did not mention Loving v Virginia?

if it's so popular Congress should have no problem passing a law or amending the Constitution....which is what should have been done originally...

I keep hearing the media morons refer to "the Constitutionally protected right to abortion"....I don't believe it is mentioned anywhere in the Constitution or it's Amendments, you will never hear these same people refer to the "Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms" which is actually in there....they really need their own country...with biden running things......

did you see pelosi elbow that little girl out of the way the other day?

i hadn’t seen the Pelosi video until you mentioned it. She didn’t like a little brown girl touching her. that video is a riot, and there’s no mistaking what’s in it.
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U.S. Supreme Court on Monday expanded the religious rights of government employees by ruling in favor of a Christian former public high school football coach in Washington state who sued after being suspended from his job for refusing to stop leading prayers with players on the field after games.

Yep omg the rights outraged if you protest in front of their SJC justices but cheer this ruling guess liberals just need to call it a praying not a protest



Claiming it’s a violation of his. free speech.. yep another religious ruling not a free speech ruling . He’s speech wasn’t stopped . He wasn’t stopped praying it was were he chose to speak and part and in the capacity of that speech that was at issue …

Yep the religious lawsuit flood gate blasted wide open the message has been sent You have a friend in me


One of the foundational religious establishment cases dates to 1971's Lemon v Kurtzman, which held that laws must have a "secular legislative purpose" and set up a three-part test to determine whether they survived constitutional muster.
The increasingly conservative court has largely abandoned this "Lemon test"


Wow this court is going to war with their predecessors ruling’s
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U.S. Supreme Court on Monday expanded the religious rights of government employees by ruling in favor of a Christian former public high school football coach in Washington state who sued after being suspended from his job for refusing to stop leading prayers with players on the field after games.

Yep omg the rights outraged if you protest in front of their SJC justices but cheer this ruling guess liberals just need to call it a praying not a protest



Claiming it’s a violation of his. free speech.. yep another religious ruling not a free speech ruling . He’s speech wasn’t stopped . He wasn’t stopped praying it was were he chose to speak and part and in the capacity of that speech that was at issue …

Yep the religious lawsuit flood gate blasted wide open the message has been sent You have a friend in me


One of the foundational religious establishment cases dates to 1971's Lemon v Kurtzman, which held that laws must have a "secular legislative purpose" and set up a three-part test to determine whether they survived constitutional muster.
The increasingly conservative court has largely abandoned this "Lemon test"


Wow this court is going to war with their predecessors ruling’s
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you’re saying free speech can never be applied to a religious situation?

free speech isnt infinite. there’s a federal
law that prohibits protesting. front of judges homes,, and an obvious reason for it. Our system does t work if judges decide cases based on threats to their family. It’s not rocket science.

unless there’s evidence that the coach was compelling students to participate, then he can’t be punished for praying there. pretty simple.

who cares if he chooses to pray there, as long as no one is forced to participate.

The left is having a rough week with this court.
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The coach is leading the prayer and he’s not compelling his players to participate.
OK,
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Supreme Court opens way for rousing chants of "Allahu Akbar!" before high school sporting events
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The coach is leading the prayer and he’s not compelling his players to participate.
OK,
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Last time I checked, The Bill Of Rights doesn't exclude those who are in a position of authority.

The issue is personal to most Americans. 2/3rds of people responding to the poll say they or someone they know has had an abortion. That was true of 3/4ths of independents, 7-in-10 Democrats & 55% of Republicans.

This is how EVERY cultural issue changes & impacts elections.
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Supreme Court opens way for rousing chants of "Allahu Akbar!" before high school sporting events
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The Bill Of Rights opened that door. The Supreme Court merely reminded us (after liberals illegally closed that door).

Pete, it's very easy to grant rights to others when you love however it is they choose to exercise those rights. The test of whether or not the rights mean anything, is whether or not you recognize those rights, even when you don't like the manner in which they exercise them.

The issue is personal to most Americans. 2/3rds of people responding to the poll say they or someone they know has had an abortion. That was true of 3/4ths of independents, 7-in-10 Democrats & 55% of Republicans.

This is how EVERY cultural issue changes & impacts elections.
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the number of americans having an abortion, has zero relevance when SCOTUS is deciding if it’s constitutional. Zilch.

How do you think judges are supposed to decide cases?
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The issue is personal to most Americans. 2/3rds of people responding to the poll say they or someone they know has had an abortion. That was true of 3/4ths of independents, 7-in-10 Democrats & 55% of Republicans.

This is how EVERY cultural issue changes & impacts elections.
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and yet…

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/more-than-1-million-voters-switch-registration-gop-suburbs-break-biden

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Last time I checked, The Bill Of Rights doesn't exclude those who are in a position of authority.

He’s a public school employee
He’s leading a team prayer at midfield after a game
You ever have a coach give a postgame talk?
Sorry that boat don’t float
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He’s a public school employee
He’s leading a team prayer at midfield after a game
You ever have a coach give a postgame talk?
Sorry that boat don’t float
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he’s not leading a team prayer. he prayed alone, and some
kids joined him.

Separation of church and state does t mean no religion in public view. It means the government can’t pick which religions are legitimate and which aren’t.

The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion. Even if Pete hates it.

This was a complete no brainer.
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Yet we have Republicans pushing The Kids Guide to President Trump:

What page is government over throw and pussy grabbing..
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he’s not leading a team prayer. he prayed alone, and some
kids joined him.

Separation of church and state does t mean no religion in public view. It means the government can’t pick which religions are legitimate and which aren’t.f

The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion. Even if Pete hates it.

This was a complete no brainer.
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The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion.

They weren’t interfering . they said not on school grounds and not as of head coach of a public school. So no separation of church and state no longer exist

Another religious ruling masked as constitutional. So much for past rulings

Let have a 1000 people pray on Jim’s front lawn . And see if he still supports this ruling


Gorsuch said lower courts should no longer follow the “Lemon test” criticized by religious conservatives

No kidding

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Kennedy has radically recast the events that led to his dismissal and that his actions during the 2015 football season were hardly private acts of faith. His Facebook post — “I think I just might have been fired for praying” — drew national attention and elicited support from prominent advocates, including former president Donald Trump and Fox News pundits.

Yep was never about his privacy it was his crusade not for law or the constitution but his lord
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The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion.

They weren’t interfering . they said not on school grounds and not as of head coach of a public school. So no separation of church and state no longer exist

Another religious ruling masked as constitutional. So much for past rulings

Let have a 1000 people pray on Jim’s front lawn . And see if he still supports this ruling


Gorsuch said lower courts should no longer follow the “Lemon test” criticized by religious conservatives

No kidding

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the government cannot forbid you to exercise your religion on public property where you have a right to be.

have you ever bothered to read the Bill Of Rights?

The court was liberal from
the days of Earl Warren. that’s over. it’s our turn. the SCOTUS pendulum will swing back to the left eventually.

“have 1000 people
pray in jim’s front lawn…”.

My front lawn isn’t my workplace, nor is it public property. Good lord that’s a stupid argument.

tolerance is better then censorship.
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Jim stop the bill of rights nonsense you and the rest of the the conservatives religious have no interest in the Bill of rights unless you it fits your religious views

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) on Sunday said she will ban telemedicine appointments with abortion care providers who prescribe pills online



it also says hall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.

seems they didn't expect a nation of 300 million

Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

1 that never happened to this guy! but for the GOP the press is the enemy of the state! outrage of peacefully people peaceably to assemble if front of SJC homes with more twisted logic of intimidation freedom for me and not thee

Article the fourth... A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

still waiting to read the words conceal and carry more twisted legalmobojombo

Article the sixth... The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Red states passing law for fellow citizens to report and sue anyone they think got an abortion

yep Jim keep thinking the GOP cares about the constitution

the government cannot forbid you to exercise your religion on public property where you have a right to be.

have you ever bothered to read the Bill Of Rights?

The court was liberal from
the days of Earl Warren. that’s over. it’s our turn. the SCOTUS pendulum will swing back to the left eventually.

“have 1000 people
pray in jim’s front lawn…”.

My front lawn isn’t my workplace, nor is it public property. Good lord that’s a stupid argument. the street isn't

tolerance is better then censorship.
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Just those 2 statements make my point

1st you see the court as a tool of retribution


2nd Freedom is only for whom you align with .

can't wait to see the outrage over a highschool drag queen prayer vigil after the game ... I bet the right won't mention freedom of speech and religious freedom .. but I am sure other words will be used..

To clarify, the real problem in the school prayer case is not that the coach wanted to pray.

It wasn't even that he was doing it publicly and had people on the team join in (though that is problematic too.)

The real problem is he retaliated against players who didn't join him.
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Just those 2 statements make my point

1st you see the court as a tool of retribution


2nd Freedom is only for whom you align with .

can't wait to see the outrage over a highschool drag queen prayer vigil after the game ... I bet the right won't mention freedom of speech and religious freedom .. but I am sure other words will be used..

i didn’t say retribution. said the court was liberal
for decades,,now it’s conservative.

you people
need to grasp that democracy isnt defines as you getting what you want every single
time.

the court was liberal for 50 years. then the people elected a conservative senate and a republican president, who did exactly what he said he’d do.

elections have consequences

only you’d see that as “retribution”.

if 1000 people
prayed in the street it would block traffic. this coach wasnt doing that.

man, for people who demand tolerance, liberals are t too keen on showing it.

you can have your gay pride parades in public, he can pray in public. tough cookies if you don’t like it.
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He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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Won’t that be a fun case to get to the Supreme Court, when it comes down to what’s good for the Christian goose, is good for the Muslim gander.

Well, they already can, so there’s that…

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time

Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions.

C. Teachers, Administrators, and Other School Employees

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

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Well, they already can, so there’s that…

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time

Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions.

C. Teachers, Administrators, and Other School Employees

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

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Thanks Kevin.

For what it’s worth, my read of: “ may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities”

Would not include a coach of a football team on the field. That is a pretty clear context they are in their official capacities….

I have zero issue if this guy sat quietly on the bench for a second or said a prayer in his office or his car, but at a public school this doesn’t feel right to me.

This wasn’t the equivalent of a ‘personal phone call’
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Have any one you left wing socialist nut jobs condemned Maxing Watter’s words yet ?

Have any one you left wing socialist nut jobs condemned Maxing Watter’s words yet ?

Did you condemn all the tweets and comments your orange god made railing on the Supreme Court? How about his comments about Judge Curiel?
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Did you condemn all the tweets and comments your orange god made railing on the Supreme Court? How about his comments about Judge Curiel?
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see, when I do that, the lefties all complain that i engaged in what about-ism.

Trumps comments were disgusting. Fair enough? Do what about Waters’ comments?
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see, when I do that, the lefties all complain that i engaged in what about-ism.

Trumps comments were disgusting. Fair enough? Do what about Waters’ comments?
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I wasn’t talking to you on that….

What Maxine said was dumb but not a call to violence. What else is new she says dumb things a lot….
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He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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public school grounds. Correct?

It’s also his place of employment. It’s well settled that employers cannot force employees to abandon their religion when they show up for work.

This would be a terrific opportunity for the left to display some of that tolerance that they routinely demand.

i’d have no problem
with school
prayer, regardless of denomination. that ain’t the gotcha question you hoped for.
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public school grounds. Correct?

It’s also his place of employment. It’s well settled that employers cannot force employees to abandon their religion when they show up for work.

This would be a terrific opportunity for the left to display some of that tolerance that they routinely demand.

i’d have no problem
with school
prayer, regardless of denomination. that ain’t the gotcha question you hoped for.
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It wasn’t intended to be a gotcha. Just a hypothetical.

Read what Kevin posted and explain how the ‘official context’ isn’t clear? This isn’t two teachers having a bible discussion at lunch in teachers lounge, this is someone doing it over the school’s PA system.

We aren’t going to agree on this one. Moving on. Have a good night guys.
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Thanks Kevin.

For what it’s worth, my read of: “ may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities”

Would not include a coach of a football team on the field. That is a pretty clear context they are in their official capacities….

I have zero issue if this guy sat quietly on the bench for a second or said a prayer in his office or his car, but at a public school this doesn’t feel right to me.

This wasn’t the equivalent of a ‘personal phone call’
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He was doing it when the game was over, is he still coaching? Could be gray area, don't see firing him over it, didn’t see anything about him using the loud speaker, though.
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He was doing it when the game was over, is he still coaching? Could be gray area, don't see firing him over it, didn’t see anything about him using the loud speaker, though.
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shouldnt be using a PA system…
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shouldnt be using a PA system…
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It was a metaphor….

The manual/handbook Kevin posted had an example of two teachers privately discussing the Bible. I made a comparison…

Maybe it’s a gray area, but when I played sports the coaches were coaches till the kids left the field/locker room and went home.

I have a feeling he was asked a number of times not to do this and warned, and then his contract was not renewed. He can coach at a parochial school and have all the prayer he wants…
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Prayer circles led by high school coaches are not compulsory. If a player walks up to their coach and says, "Hey Coach, I'm not doing that because it makes me uncomfortable," the coach will always reply, "Thanks for keeping me in line!" Then the player will get more playing time
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It was a metaphor….

The manual/handbook Kevin posted had an example of two teachers privately discussing the Bible. I made a comparison…

Maybe it’s a gray area, but when I played sports the coaches were coaches till the kids left the field/locker room and went home.

I have a feeling he was asked a number of times not to do this and warned, and then his contract was not renewed. He can coach at a parochial school and have all the prayer he wants…
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it started with him going off totally by himself. then some students asked if they could join. is he supposed to say no?

what’s the problem, exactly?
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Prayer circles led by high school coaches are not compulsory. If a player walks up to their coach and says, "Hey Coach, I'm not doing that because it makes me uncomfortable," the coach will always reply, "Thanks for keeping me in line!" Then the player will get more playing time
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you’re projecting. Because you despise everyone who disagrees with you, you assume
everyone does.

in any event, you can’t read the bill of rights and reach a different conclusion. thank god.

trump did this, too.
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Gay pride flags are all over public buildings. if that’s ok, why censor a guy praying?
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you’re projecting. Because you despise everyone who disagrees with you, you assume
everyone does.

in any event, you can’t read the bill of rights and reach a different conclusion. thank god.

trump did this, too.
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Sure Jim,

“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.
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The fact that the Supreme Court of the United States straight up lied about the facts of a case -- and this lie is easily proven by a photograph included in the dissenting opinion -- seems like a significant moment in our slide towards authoritarianism.
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To clarify, the real problem in the school prayer case is not that the coach wanted to pray.

It wasn't even that he was doing it publicly and had people on the team join in (though that is problematic too.)

The real problem is he retaliated against players who didn't join him.
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this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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Sure Jim,

“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.
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you don’t know what separation of church and state means. It doesn’t mean we censor religion. it means the government can’t choose one religion over another. allowing a guy to pray, in no way violates that.

Please prove the accusation he retaliated against players who didn’t join, and i’ll agree he should have been fired.
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this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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i won’t believe it just because Pete says it, no. they didn’t fire him because he punished kids who didn’t join. they fired him because they said he couldn’t pray.

Just have someone read the bill of rights to you. That will clear it up. It’s that simple. The state can’t take away what’s guaranteed in the Bill Of Rights.

Why is voluntary prayer so offensive to you, that it’s a fireable offense?
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this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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you’re the one who brought up diaries,, yet criticizing us for doing so. That’s not stupid, no sir.

also, aren’t you engaging in what about-ism
here?

so please stop criticizing others for doing it.
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I’m confident that coaches, being well-adjusted folks with a firm grasp of individual autonomy and well-known respect for free will, wouldn’t conduct performative religious rituals in a way to coerce faith minorities.
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I’m confident that coaches, being well-adjusted folks with a firm grasp of individual autonomy and well-known respect for free will, wouldn’t conduct performative religious rituals in a way to coerce faith minorities.
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so, does that mean you made it up, when you said he punished kids who didn’t participate? Sure sounds like it.

What does it say about you, that you can’t discuss this based on the actual facts? You need to fabricate details to make it agreeable to your narrative.

That’s what Jordan Peterson calls “the pathology of ideological
possession.”. You don’t merely “believe” in liberalism, you are possessed by it, you are enslaved by it.

Why not say he’s a pedophile while you’re making things up?
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Google is free

I do wonder about people who think liberal teachers are indoctrinating kids but who also want teachers leading prayers. There are huge differences among Christian denominations, not to mention with other faiths and no faith. If a teacher can make your kid gay (no a teacher can’t make your kid gay), don’t you think the teacher could also make him a Pentecostal?

On a similar note, I have watched the harrowing video of the assault on Rudy Giuliani. Just incredible that he survived. Be safe out there
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this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

You’re not to bright, are you :rolleyes:
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Google is free

I do wonder about people who think liberal teachers are indoctrinating kids but who also want teachers leading prayers. There are huge differences among Christian denominations, not to mention with other faiths and no faith. If a teacher can make your kid gay (no a teacher can’t make your kid gay), don’t you think the teacher could also make him a Pentecostal?

On a similar note, I have watched the harrowing video of the assault on Rudy Giuliani. Just incredible that he survived. Be safe out there
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i never said a teacher can make a kid gay. but for sure a teacher can make a kid a liberal.

Pete i’m old enough to remember how we treated each other when churches were mobbed on sunday’s. i can therefore compare that to our culture now, now that churches are 70% empty on sundays. We’re losing our moral compass, and it’s tied to losing faith.

No one needs faith to be a good person or to lead a rich life. But the data shows it helps, and you’re a perfect example, miserable, empty, bitter, consumed with hate.

i’d be ok with a generic prayer in school, there’s plenty of those. It won’t happen though, and i’m ok with that. Unlike you, i can deal
with it when i don’t get my way.

On this issue of abortion, obviously it all comes down to the status of the baby, that’s literally all that matters. The left is saying it’s not a person. The left made the same exact argument about blacks a while ago, and for the same exact reason ( personal convenience).

Make that wrong.
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So, you’re admitting that you want a theocracy.
Of course, returning to the fifties will be great.
Before minorities and women got all uppity, when men were men and women made dinner.
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So, you’re admitting that you want a theocracy.
Of course, returning to the fifties will be great.
Before minorities and women got all uppity, when men were men and women made dinner.
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i said i’m ok with a generic prayer, and also ok without it.

From that, you claim i want a theocracy.

Good luck with that reasoning Pete.

Which side kept minorities segregated in the 1950s? And wasn’t it the religious right who led the charge against segregation, as the religious right led the charge against slavery?
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Wait for the murders and suicides to happen from moms who have no options and dads who refuse to be dads.
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I guess this is the reason many states aren't making an exception for rape. Maybe the woman should just "lay back and enjoy it"

A Republican nominee in a closely watched House race in Virginia made bizarre and false comments about rape victims, saying in leaked audio recordings that she wouldn’t be surprised if a woman’s body prevents pregnancies from rape because “it’s not something that’s happening organically,” and that the rapist is doing it “quickly.”
In the second clip, after the unidentified woman said she heard that it is “harder for a woman to get pregnant if she’s been raped,” Ms. Vega replied: “Well maybe, because there’s so much going on in the body, I don’t know. I haven’t, haven’t, you know, seen any studies but if I’m processing what you’re saying it wouldn’t surprise me, because it’s not something that’s happening organically, right? It’s forcing it.”

After the unidentified woman said the body “shuts down,” Ms. Vega replied: “Yeah, yeah, and then the individual, the male, is doing it as quickly, it’s not like, you know, and so I can see why maybe there’s truth to that.”

i said i’m ok with a generic prayer, and also ok without it.

From that, you claim i want a theocracy.

Good luck with that reasoning Pete.

Which side kept minorities segregated in the 1950s? And wasn’t it the religious right who led the charge against segregation, as the religious right led the charge against slavery?
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What an odd view of history you have.

Apparently you missed Atwater’s Southern Strategy, the role of the Southern denominations in the fight against desegregation, and the splits in the Methodist, Baptist and other Churches over slavery.
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Wait for the murders and suicides to happen from moms who have no options and dads who refuse to be dads.
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well, they have the option of going next door to a liberal state, so there’s that. You left that out.

Some southern red states have been clamping down on abortions, and the women aren’t all
dying.

And if someone commits suicide, tragic as that his, that’s their choice. The unborn has no choice in abortion outcomes.

You can’t win this debate, you aren’t holding any cards.

Maybe women should stop sleeping with “dads who refuse to be dads”, and move a little selective about who they hop into bed with.

This is democracy. Your state can do whet it wants, other states can do what they want. Where is it written in the stars they liberals have to get their way 100% of the time?
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Wait for the murders and suicides to happen from moms who have no options and dads who refuse to be dads.
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The largest cause of death of pregnant women is murder by the sperm donor
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I guess this is the reason many states aren't making an exception for rape. Maybe the woman should just "lay back and enjoy it"

A Republican nominee in a closely watched House race in Virginia made bizarre and false comments about rape victims, saying in leaked audio recordings that she wouldn’t be surprised if a woman’s body prevents pregnancies from rape because “it’s not something that’s happening organically,” and that the rapist is doing it “quickly.”
In the second clip, after the unidentified woman said she heard that it is “harder for a woman to get pregnant if she’s been raped,” Ms. Vega replied: “Well maybe, because there’s so much going on in the body, I don’t know. I haven’t, haven’t, you know, seen any studies but if I’m processing what you’re saying it wouldn’t surprise me, because it’s not something that’s happening organically, right? It’s forcing it.”

After the unidentified woman said the body “shuts down,” Ms. Vega replied: “Yeah, yeah, and then the individual, the male, is doing it as quickly, it’s not like, you know, and so I can see why maybe there’s truth to that.”

"I guess this is the reason many states aren't making an exception for rape. Maybe the woman should just "lay back and enjoy it"

Or you could ask someone what the reason is, which is how normal people inform themselves. The reason, and it's harsh but principled, is this...if you believe the baby is a person at conception, then the circumstances of the conception don't change that. It's a principled thing to believe.

Is that a state house race or a US house race? Hope she loses whatever race that is.

US Rep Hank Johnson (D-GA), said that he was afraid that building a military base on Guam might cause Guam to tip over. He literally said that. And no one on the left cares, because it's perfectly OK when democrats say outrageous things. Just this week, Pelosi, the terrific Catholic, looked down at a little Hispanic girl standing next to her, then elbowed her out of the way. If Marjorie Taylor Green had done that?

Everything is OK when democrats do it. But all Republicans are responsible for the insane things that kooks on their side say.

The Chicago mayor said in public, "F--- Clarence Thomas". That's OK.

If you don't accept that bodily autonomy is an essential unconditional liberty, it's a waste of time talking to you at all. No other liberties survive without that one, more fundamental than property rights: if you don't own yourself absolutely, you own nothing.
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If you don't accept that bodily autonomy is an essential unconditional liberty, it's a waste of time talking to you at all. No other liberties survive without that one, more fundamental than property rights: if you don't own yourself absolutely, you own nothing.
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this has absolutely nothing to do with the principles of bodily autonomy. All that matters is the status of the baby.

we both believe women can do whatever they want,, as long as they don’t harm someone else. All that matters, literally all that matters, is whether or not the baby represents “someone else”.

Every other issue in this debate, is a smokescreen. unless you believe women have the right to murder anyone they want. But if you believe that the right to bodily autonomy stops at the point where someone else’s bodily autonomy is an issue, the. you and i agree on bodily autonomy.

we only disagree, on whether or not the baby is a person. When ultrasounds show the unborn actively fighting off the instruments of abortion, what does that mean to you? I’d pay to see you answer that.

And how do mandatory vaccines fit into your idea of bodily autonomy,
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Hmmm

this has absolutely nothing to do with the principles of bodily autonomy. All that matters is the status of the baby.

we both believe women can do whatever they want,, as long as they don’t harm someone else. All that matters, literally all that matters, is whether or not the baby represents “someone else”.

Every other issue in this debate, is a smokescreen. unless you believe women have the right to murder anyone they want. But if you believe that the right to bodily autonomy stops at the point where someone else’s bodily autonomy is an issue, the. you and i agree on bodily autonomy.

we only disagree, on whether or not the baby is a person. When ultrasounds show the unborn actively fighting off the instruments of abortion, what does that mean to you? I’d pay to see you answer that.

And how do mandatory vaccines fit into your idea of bodily autonomy,
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So your religion says
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Hmmm

That's pretty accurate. But regarding abortion, no one denies that women can do whatever they want, as long as they don't harm someone else.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the idea of self autonomy or choice. All that matters is one's view of the unborn. The left never allows it to be framed that way, because that framing (the honest framing of the issue) paints the pro life crown as the side with empathy. Which it is, on this issue. The left might consider it mis-placed empathy, but the anti abortion position has nothing to do with the desire to enslave women, and everything to do with protecting what some consider to be an innocent human being.

The left never, ever allows it to be framed that way.

So your religion says
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That's true, but also my conscience. My religion says that, but that's not why I say it.

You don't know the first thing about me. My beliefs determine my religion, you think it's the other way around. If the Pope announced today that the unborn aren't people and abortion was OK, you assume I'd embrace that belief. What I'd do, is find another religion that's the right fit for me.

For the 3rd time on this thread, I've heard OBGYNs tell of unborn babies trying, always unsuccessfully, to fight off the instruments of abortion. What does that say to you? Why won't you answer? This is what you advocate for, so why won't you address it? If you're so squeemish and uncomfortable with what abortion is, why do you support it so rabidly? Answer - because YOUR religion - liberalism - commands you to.

this has absolutely nothing to do with the principles of bodily autonomy. All that matters is the status of the baby.

we both believe women can do whatever they want,, as long as they don’t harm someone else. All that matters, literally all that matters, is whether or not the baby represents “someone else”.

Every other issue in this debate, is a smokescreen. unless you believe women have the right to murder anyone they want. But if you believe that the right to bodily autonomy stops at the point where someone else’s bodily autonomy is an issue, the. you and i agree on bodily autonomy.

we only disagree, on whether or not the baby is a person. When ultrasounds show the unborn actively fighting off the instruments of abortion, what does that mean to you? I’d pay to see you answer that.

And how do mandatory vaccines fit into your idea of bodily autonomy,
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Six Catholic Justices decided this, it’s not religion🤷#^&♂️

A vaccine mandate doesn’t mean you are forced to have a vaccine. It means to participate in certain activities you need one. You can always choose to not participate in the activities.
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Six Catholic Justices decided this, it’s not religion��#^&♂️

A vaccine mandate doesn’t mean you are forced to have a vaccine. It means to participate in certain activities you need one. You can always choose to not participate in the activities.
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You just don't get it.

The SCOTUS didn't say abortion is immoral. If they did, THAT would be the Catholic position. What they said, is that according to the Constitution, its not a federal issue but a state issue. There wasn't anything remotely close to a judgment about the morality of abortion. That discussion will occur where it belongs, in the states.

That's true, but also my conscience. My religion says that, but that's not why I say it.

You don't know the first thing about me. My beliefs determine my religion, you think it's the other way around. If the Pope announced today that the unborn aren't people and abortion was OK, you assume I'd embrace that belief. What I'd do, is find another religion that's the right fit for me.

For the 3rd time on this thread, I've heard OBGYNs tell of unborn babies trying, always unsuccessfully, to fight off the instruments of abortion. What does that say to you? Why won't you answer? This is what you advocate for, so why won't you address it? If you're so squeemish and uncomfortable with what abortion is, why do you support it so rabidly? Answer - because YOUR religion - liberalism - commands you to.

Silly troll, it’s not my choice to make or yours.
If you haven’t figured it out yet, I never answer your silly questions.

Just because I’m pro choice doesn’t mean I’m pro abortion.
I don’t think anyones religion should be forced on another American, you do.
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You just don't get it.

The SCOTUS didn't say abortion is immoral. If they did, THAT would be the Catholic position. What they said, is that according to the Constitution, its not a federal issue but a state issue. There wasn't anything remotely close to a judgment about the morality of abortion.

Rowe v Wade stood for fifty years, until there was a Catholic majority on the Supreme Court.
I believe the majority in their opinion as much as I did in their confirmation hearings when they said it was settled law, etc.
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Rowe v Wade stood for fifty years, until there was a Catholic majority on the Supreme Court.
I believe the majority in their opinion as much as I did in their confirmation hearings when they said it was settled law, etc.
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How long did the Dred Scott and Plessy V Ferguson decisions stand?

No one cares if you choose to hear things that no one said.
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A vaccine mandate doesn’t mean you are forced to have a vaccine. It means to participate in certain activities you need one. You can always choose to not participate in the activities.
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by certain activities you mean.........like your job?

mandate verb
man·​date | \ ˈman-ˌdāt \
mandated; mandating
Definition of mandate (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb

1: to administer or assign (something, such as a territory) under a mandate
2: to officially require (something) : make (something) mandatory : ORDER
a law mandating recycling
also : to direct or require (someone) to do something
a commission mandated to investigate corruption

Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., is arguing against the separation of church and state, according to a new video.

Boebert’s comments came Sunday at Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colorado


Won’t see any outrage from the usual suspects
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I've heard OBGYNs tell of unborn babies trying, always unsuccessfully, to fight off the instruments of abortion


OMG how gullible are you? Now we have karate fetus self aware of threats bobbing and weaving in the womb
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you’re the one who brought up diaries,, yet criticizing us for doing so. That’s not stupid, no sir.

also, aren’t you engaging in what about-ism
here?

so please stop criticizing others for doing it.
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Your clueless .. I’ve compared a believe and a disbelief. Of what those mentioned posted … Aka Biden’s shower habits…. In multiple threads . As a deflection

It’s not my fault you guys can’t do a google search .and find out we’re the stuff you post as truth comes from
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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

You’re not to bright, are you :rolleyes:
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What did I get wrong? you don’t believe what happened on Jan 6th was a hoax or just the part Trump and his administration tried to overturn the election .

Or you claiming you don’t care ?
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What did I get wrong? you don’t believe what happened on Jan 6th was a hoax or just the part Trump and his administration tried to overturn the election .

Or you claiming you don’t care ?
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Literally nothing in that post, that you tagged me in, is correct.....nothing. You just spout bull #^&#^&#^&#^& all the time and blanket apply it to everybody because they don't agree with your idiocy.

You see things that were never written, you hear things that were never said, you have no comprehension of what people are saying, then you post like you're the one who's responding from the intellectual high ground.

I've heard OBGYNs tell of unborn babies trying, always unsuccessfully, to fight off the instruments of abortion


OMG how gullible are you? Now we have karate fetus self aware of threats bobbing and weaving in the womb
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you’re denying they can feel pain? is that what you’re saying?

your post above is so deranged, so not even close to what i said ( hence TDFs remark about you constantly hearing things that are t said), it’s harder than usual
to decipher your gibberish.

again, the only reason why you routinely wildly distort what i said, is because as dim as you are, even you know you can’t respond to what i actually said.

Let’s be very clear…do you deny that unborn babies can feel pain in the womb?


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you’re denying they can feel pain? is that what you’re saying?

your post above is so deranged, so not even close to what i said ( hence TDFs remark about you constantly hearing things that are t said), it’s harder than usual
to decipher your gibberish.

again, the only reason why you routinely wildly distort what i said, is because as dim as you are, even you know you can’t respond to what i actually said.

Let’s be very clear…do you deny that unborn babies can feel pain in the womb?


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Now it’s about pain ? That’s not what you said do you read your own posts ? what did I miss . Or is this you just moving the goal posts again when called out on your nonsense

Jim how can a fetus have and concept of pain ?
Stop applying your self awareness as if a fetus is self aware it smell of desperation
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Jim how can a fetus have and concept of pain ?

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why do doctors often spank babies just after they’re born? do you know?

I shouldn’t be surprised that you’d be the only person stupid enough to deny that at some point they feel
pain. Doctors differ in when that is, but current estimates are around 15 weeks
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Now it’s about pain ? That’s not what you said do you read your own posts ? what did I miss . Or is this you just moving the goal posts again when called out on your nonsense

Jim how can a fetus have and concept of pain ?
Stop applying your self awareness as if a fetus is self aware it smell of desperation
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I'll answer for you. Doctors spank newborns (or used to), to get them to cry, so they can make sure they are breathing.

Why do you suppose that spanking newborns, makes them cry? Because they feel the pain. So if they can feel pain one second after birth, are you going to tell me you have facts to support the idiotic notion that they can't feel pain one minute before birth? You think amniotic fluid is a painkiller?

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/845410

I've heard OBGYNs tell of unborn babies trying, always unsuccessfully, to fight off the instruments of abortion


OMG how gullible are you? Now we have karate fetus self aware of threats bobbing and weaving in the womb
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So you edited this, but will you say why?

Here, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, mentions fetal pain as early as 20-21 weeks.

And when surgery is performed on the unborn, they give anesthesia as early as 14 weeks "to ameliorate pain".

But you know more than they do. Right?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00243639211059245

OBGYN Colleague in Missouri “We are now observing patients with ectopic pregnancy and hemoperitoneum until they have a documented falling hemoglobin or unstable vital signs”

1:50 pregnancies is ectopic

Some of the most quickly sick - fine to severely hypotensive in minutes - ER patients had ectopic pregnancies. There’s no time to hem and haw and worry about legal implications.
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OBGYN Colleague in Missouri “We are now observing patients with ectopic pregnancy and hemoperitoneum until they have a documented falling hemoglobin or unstable vital signs”

1:50 pregnancies is ectopic

Some of the most quickly sick - fine to severely hypotensive in minutes - ER patients had ectopic pregnancies. There’s no time to hem and haw and worry about legal implications.
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what percentage of abortions do you think are done because there’s a true medical emergency for the mom, and what % are done on healthy women who engaged in consensual sex, who just don’t want to give birth?

i have no problem with exceptions for actual medical emergencies, because almost all abortions are done for convenience. the data is pretty clear in that, as you said, Google is free.
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A major hospital system in Missouri will no longer provide emergency contraceptives to victims of sexual assault for fear of criminal prosecution of it’s providers.
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A major hospital system in Missouri will no longer provide emergency contraceptives to victims of sexual assault for fear of criminal prosecution of it’s providers.
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NH has no state income tax. CT has a huge income tax. I live with it.

Different states are different, Pete. This is what the people of MO want, or else they'll vote in new legislators who will do what they want.

Not everyone thinks like you. Why do you get to impose your will on them?

In our system of government, when dealing with a state issue, Missouri can do what they want, your state can do what it wants.

This event has really shown how much liberals hate democracy.

Why don't you go down to MO and run for office, or simply accept that just like you, they can vote for the legislature and political landscape they want. I promise you, that they have no desire to be more like CT. And they shouldn't be forced to.

Abortion is difficult b/c two positive values - women’s autonomy, protection of life - compete w/ each other.

Each side wants to promote one of those values. But each talks about opponents like they’re only interested in destroying the other.
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From a doc
SCOTUS was misinformed for so many reasons. One is that there was no IVF in 1973. In 2022, IVF accounts for 4% of births! By overturning Roe they also impacted healthy “wanted” pregnancies. Don’t believe me? Look up “selective reduction” and “amniocentesis”.
You may want to google Lung/Head ratio for Congenital Diaphragmatic hernia or anencephaly with giant omphalocele. Please consider the difficult discussions that I have had with my patients who discovered that their desired pregnancy has one or more of these congenital issues.
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Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people from crossing state lines for abortions. Model legislation is in the works.

Now the small-government, personal freedom Republican conservatives are showing their true colors. Maybe we could institute internal passports or travel permits, like all free nations do.
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So you edited this, but will you say why?

Here, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, mentions fetal pain as early as 20-21 weeks.

And when surgery is performed on the unborn, they give anesthesia as early as 14 weeks "to ameliorate pain".

But you know more than they do. Right?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00243639211059245

I copied what you wrote , sorry didn’t edit a thing

Did you read the article

Current neuroscientific evidence indicates the possibility of fetal pain perception

Possibility A thing that may happen or be the case.

And it’s a letter to the editor . Not a peer reviewed study ..



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I copied what you wrote , sorry didn’t edit a thing

Did you read the article

Current neuroscientific evidence indicates the possibility of fetal pain perception

Possibility A thing that may happen or be the case.

And it’s a letter to the editor . Not a peer reviewed study ..



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again, why did doctors routinely spank newborns the second after they were born? what was the purpose?

and the hell you didn’t edit that post of yours. you edited your words, after saying it was stupid to suggest fetuses can feel pain. it’s only a question of when they feel pain, current thinking is 15-20 weeks in some circles.

didn’t you say abortion should only be allowed until viability? why? why would you force a woman to surrender her right to bodily autonomy and healthcare decisions? and whenever you define “viability”, please explain to be why the baby is different at that moment, than he is an hour before? how can you have any idea when a specific baby is viable?
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wdmso, since you refused to comment on the topic of this thread, would you comment on the chicago mayor saying at a public event, “F—- clarence thomas”?
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Hundreds of Jews rallied last night for abortion rights at Michigan’s largest synagogue, Temple Israel. “Stand up for our mothers, stand up for each other,” they sing.
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Hundreds of Jews rallied last night for abortion rights at Michigan’s largest synagogue, Temple Israel. “Stand up for our mothers, stand up for each other,” they sing.
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that’s called democracy. i’m
fine with that, even though i disagree.

Pete, it’s you, not me, who can’t handle any disagreement.
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Hundreds of Jews rallied last night for abortion rights at Michigan’s largest synagogue, Temple Israel. “Stand up for our mothers, stand up for each other,” they sing.
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oh, and nice dodge of the topic of the thread.
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oh, and nice dodge of the topic of the thread.
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Said the guy debating fetus pain tolerance on the thread about the hearings.

Said the guy debating fetus pain tolerance on the thread about the hearings.

in response to someone else, GS.
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She’s far more of a realist than you.

Things have changed a lot since 1973. As a practical matter, it's a lot harder now for the government to block access to abortion.

So if states want to stop abortions – and they do – they're going to have to get a lot more invasive, and a lot more draconian, to do it.

The advocates of enforced gestation have at long last succeeded in stripping away Roe's Constitutional protections – only to find themselves in a world where, even after it's been outlawed, abortion care will still be available with a quick google search and a few mouse clicks.

Over half of all abortions are already done with medication that can be sent through the mail.

So, once abortions are made illegal, but most who seek abortion care are able to receive it anyway, are states like Texas and Georgia going to simply say, "oh well, we tried"?

To combat this, states are going to have to greatly expand the reach of their abortion prohibitions and the severity of the resulting punishments.

And they will likely try new ways to detect and investigate miscarriages – because every miscarriage is now a potential illegal act.

And that’s why MAGA states are no longer safe for women. Even women who would personally never have an abortion and oppose it. 1/4 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Women of child bearing age are at risk of being treated like criminals or accused of a criminal act.

Don’t claim it won’t, because it already has happened.

This radical court will strip the right to privacy from every American eventually.

As far as your claim that the left is coming apart, Americans are coming together to deal with this radical MAGA court.
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Jim’s forgotten that I answered him days ago, meanwhile he’s melting down because he found an editorial and watched a video.

Now the extreme MAGA court has made it so the Blackstone River can run colors again and probably hastened the end of the world by removing clean air restrictions.
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Jim’s forgotten that I answered him days ago, meanwhile he’s melting down because he found an editorial and watched a video.

Now the extreme MAGA court has made it so the Blackstone River can run colors again and probably hastened the end of the world by removing clean air restrictions.
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i was talking with wdmso.

what could i possibly have to melt down over? i’ve never been sitting as pretty, politically speaking, as i am right now. The GOP is poised to steamroll in november.

i converted almost all my holdings to cash at a very fortunate time, and the markets are dropping, and this is obviously just the beginning, as consumer spending hasnt meaningfully decreased yet, but it will. When the SP500 gets down to 3500, I’ll start getting back in, and i’ll do great eventually.

i’m poised to benefit nicely ( politically and economically) from current events, i have very little to melt down over.

another scotus decision today that’s a victory for democracy. If the feds want to impose intrusive mandates, those now have to come from congress ( where obviously they should come from), not from unelected beaurocrats. The EPA doesn’t have the right to make huge policy decisions that change our lives. Congress does that

I can see the headlines, “Supreme Court hates the environment! Read all about it!!”.
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I guess this is the reason many states aren't making an exception for rape. Maybe the woman should just "lay back and enjoy it"

A Republican nominee in a closely watched House race in Virginia made bizarre and false comments about rape victims, saying in leaked audio recordings that she wouldn’t be surprised if a woman’s body prevents pregnancies from rape because “it’s not something that’s happening organically,” and that the rapist is doing it “quickly.”
In the second clip, after the unidentified woman said she heard that it is “harder for a woman to get pregnant if she’s been raped,” Ms. Vega replied: “Well maybe, because there’s so much going on in the body, I don’t know. I haven’t, haven’t, you know, seen any studies but if I’m processing what you’re saying it wouldn’t surprise me, because it’s not something that’s happening organically, right? It’s forcing it.”

After the unidentified woman said the body “shuts down,” Ms. Vega replied: “Yeah, yeah, and then the individual, the male, is doing it as quickly, it’s not like, you know, and so I can see why maybe there’s truth to that.”


I guess another reason not to worry about rape and pregnancy - it is not forced:

N.C. (WITN) - U.S. Congressman Greg Murphy is receiving backlash for a tweet he sent and then deleted a few hours later.

The tweet read: “No one forces anyone to have sex” and was sent just days after the overturning of Roe v. Wade removed the federal protection of abortions. (he did walk back the tweet later)

i was talking with wdmso.

what could i possibly have to melt down over? i’ve never been sitting as pretty, politically speaking, as i am right now. The GOP is poised to steamroll in november.

i converted almost all my holdings to cash at a very fortunate time, and the markets are dropping, and this is obviously just the beginning, as consumer spending hasnt meaningfully decreased yet, but it will. When the SP500 gets down to 3500, I’ll start getting back in, and i’ll do great eventually.

i’m poised to benefit nicely ( politically and economically) from current events, i have very little to melt down over.

another scotus decision today that’s a victory for democracy. If the feds want to impose intrusive mandates, those now have to come from congress ( where obviously they should come from), not from unelected beaurocrats. The EPA doesn’t have the right to make huge policy decisions that change our lives. Congress does that

I can see the headlines, “Supreme Court hates the environment! Read all about it!!”.
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Kagan, dissenting: “The Court appoints itself—instead of Congress or the expert agency—the decision- maker on climate policy. I cannot think of many things more frightening.”
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I guess another reason not to worry about rape and pregnancy - it is not forced:

N.C. (WITN) - U.S. Congressman Greg Murphy is receiving backlash for a tweet he sent and then deleted a few hours later.

The tweet read: “No one forces anyone to have sex” and was sent just days after the overturning of Roe v. Wade removed the federal protection of abortions. (he did walk back the tweet later)

no one denies that rape isn’t consensual. the huge majority of abortions are done on healthy women who had consensual
sex. the data is clear.

you’ve the fanatic extremist on this issue, you think it’s ok to abort into the 9th month and for any reason. St stop going to extremely rare extremes, and spend some time discussing what happens in 90% of abortions.
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you’ve the fanatic extremist on this issue, you think it’s ok to abort into the 9th month and for any reason. St stop going to extremely rare extremes, and spend some time discussing what happens in 90% of abortions.
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I don't think I've ever stated any position on abortion into the 9th month.

wdmso, since you refused to comment on the topic of this thread, would you comment on the chicago mayor saying at a public event, “F—- clarence thomas”?
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Free speech wow that was hard

Are SC justices special ?

But the press is the enemy of the people and Republicans cheer!

Which ones is the greatest threat to America calling Thomas a name or calling the press enemy of the people orTrump trying to steal a us election or abortion? I’ll wait
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Free speech wow that was hard

Are SC justices special ?

But the press is the enemy of the people and Republicans cheer!

Which ones is the greatest threat to America calling Thomas a name or calling the press enemy of the people orTrump trying to steal a us election or abortion? I’ll wait
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“free speech”just what you’d say if marjorie taylor green had said that!

you no longer have the right to criticize anyone for words. you still will, but you shouldn’t. because it’s all free speech.

oh man, you guys deserve what’s coming.
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Hopefully you’ll be happy

A clearly angry Kagan pulling no punches: "The current Court is textualist only when being so suits it. When that method would frustrate broader goals, special canons like the 'major questions doctrine' magically appear as get out-of-text-free cards"

These opinions will be read by historians--if we are lucky enough to have historians in the future--as the desperate warnings of good people as the country is overrun and destroyed by bad people supported by people who refuse to understand that our lot is theirs, too.
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Hopefully you’ll be happy

A clearly angry Kagan pulling no punches: "The current Court is textualist only when being so suits it. When that method would frustrate broader goals, special canons like the 'major questions doctrine' magically appear as get out-of-text-free cards"

These opinions will be read by historians--if we are lucky enough to have historians in the future--as the desperate warnings of good people as the country is overrun and destroyed by bad people supported by people who refuse to understand that our lot is theirs, too.
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the court was liberal for 50 years. It’s not carved in stone it must be so forever. Elections have consequences.

Why are you ok with unelected bureaucrats setting national policy? isn’t it better if elected legislators enact policy, so that we can respond at election time?

Again, you seem to have a real issue with the conceit of a representative democratic republic.

if everyone agrees with you in abortion,,it will be available in all 50 states. If not, it won’t be available in all 50 states.

I don’t think CT should have an income tax, but not nearly a majority agrees with me, so i don’t get my way. and why should i? who am i to be able to impose my beliefs on others?
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Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines

This pic sums it up ..

the court was liberal for 50 years. It’s not carved in stone it must be so forever. Elections have consequences.

Why are you ok with unelected bureaucrats setting national policy? isn’t it better if elected legislators enact policy, so that we can respond at election time?

Again, you seem to have a real issue with the conceit of a representative democratic republic.

if everyone agrees with you in abortion,,it will be available in all 50 states. If not, it won’t be available in all 50 states.

I don’t think CT should have an income tax, but not nearly a majority agrees with me, so i don’t get my way. and why should i? who am i to be able to impose my beliefs on others?
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Let's be clear: the Court can talk all it like about the alleged democratic deficiency of administrative agencies (although: pot, kettle), but this is fundamentally a Congress-disempowering doctrine. It makes it nearly impossible for Congress to pass laws accomplishing its goals.
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Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines

This pic sums it up ..

that pic is true. any and all babies given up for adoption, will be adopted. older
kids in foster don’t do as well, but that has nothing to do with abortion, as babies get aborted not older kids. babies don’t languish in foster care.

swing and a miss.
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Let's be clear: the Court can talk all it like about the alleged democratic deficiency of administrative agencies (although: pot, kettle), but this is fundamentally a Congress-disempowering doctrine. It makes it nearly impossible for Congress to pass laws accomplishing its goals.
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that’s not even close to being true. it empowers the legislature.
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Free speech wow that was hard

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Glad it wasn’t a tweet, different set of rules for those :rolleyes:
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Glad it wasn’t a tweet, different set of rules for those :rolleyes:
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Shocking no examples
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Shocking no examples
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you missed his point completely. you guys go berserk over trump’s tweets, you’d never dismiss any of his tweets by saying “free speech.”

He proved you’re a hypocrite.
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you missed his point completely. you guys go berserk over trump’s tweets, you’d never dismiss any of his tweets by saying “free speech.”

He proved you’re a hypocrite.
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Yep tweets from a mayor are the same as tweets from the POTUS

The false equivalence king strikes again
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Yep tweets from a mayor are the same as tweets from the POTUS

The false equivalence king strikes again
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so the mayor of chicago has free speech, not the president.

got it.
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Like arguing with a cinder block
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that’s not even close to being true. it empowers the legislature.
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You can regulate a pregnant body but not a coal plant. You can control the free speech of a teacher but not the money-as-speech of a corporation. You can coerce a child to pray in school but you can’t keep guns out of their classroom. What a world this Supreme Court is making.
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You can regulate a pregnant body but not a coal plant. You can control the free speech of a teacher but not the money-as-speech of a corporation. You can coerce a child to pray in school but you can’t keep guns out of their classroom. What a world this Supreme Court is making.
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right, i’m
sure there are zero regulations on coal plants

there are all kinds of laws in the books that limit what folks can do with their bodies. Boils
down to, you can’t hurt someone else.

Where’s the evidence kids were pressured to pray? that would be illegal.
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right, i’m
sure there are zero regulations on coal plants

there are all kinds of laws in the books that limit what folks can do with their bodies. Boils
down to, you can’t hurt someone else.

Where’s the evidence kids were pressured to pray? that would be illegal.
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they are just babbling continuous nonsensical talking points.....but you are the unthinking cult member :laugha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yMV6KONfM

THIS IS THE FUTURE THAT CONSERVATIVES WANT

The Christian Republic of Texas.
The Catholic State of Missouri.
The Evangelical Commonwealth of Virginia.

This is it. This is where it's all been going, and at this pace they could have it by the end of the next SCOTUS term.
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THIS IS THE FUTURE THAT CONSERVATIVES WANT

The Christian Republic of Texas.
The Catholic State of Missouri.
The Evangelical Commonwealth of Virginia.

This is it. This is where it's all been going, and at this pace they could have it by the end of the next SCOTUS term.
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pretty sure the Court's adherence to the Constitution would not allow that...but keep fantasizing...

The Supreme Court agreed to hear Moore v Harper, an appeal advocating for extreme interpretation of the Constitution that could make it easier for state legislatures to suppress the vote, draw unfair election districts, enable partisan interference in ballot counting.
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pretty sure the Court's adherence to the Constitution would not allow that...but keep fantasizing...

they are beyond desperate.
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The Supreme Court agreed to hear Moore v Harper, an appeal advocating for extreme interpretation of the Constitution that could make it easier for state legislatures to suppress the vote, draw unfair election districts, enable partisan interference in ballot counting.
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if SCOTUS is simply a tool to enact conservative principles, please explain why they did hand Biden a big win this week, when they upheld Bidens intent to allow Trumps “remain in Mexico” policy to end

Conservatives really want that to continue, this supreme court said Biden could end it.

Please explain why SCOTUS did this Pete, if they’re just a bunch of conservative activists?

I’ll wait. You have fun with that.
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If you read the decision you’ll find that what SCOTUS ruled was that the judge couldn’t act as an administrator, do you think judges should?
Texas Solicitor General Judd Stone conceded during an exchange with Justice Clarence Thomas on Tuesday morning while the Supreme Court was hearing the case, under Kacsmaryk’s reading of federal law, no administration has ever complied with that law since it was enacted in 1996.
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Days after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states can prohibit abortion, Alabama has seized on the decision to argue that the state should also be able to ban gender-affirming medical treatments for transgender youths.

Yep the ruling was only about abortion
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Paxton said he may move against gay rights next. That is one of the reasons why all the bigots have been moving to Tx.

Wiman and their magic vaginas

In the aftermath of the US supreme court decision that ended the right to abortion, amid nationwide protests over the removal of women’s control over their own bodies, one Utah Republican said women could “control [their] intake of semen”.

The comment by Karianne Lisonbee, a state representative, came in response to an assertion that men should be held accountable for unwanted pregnancies, not just pregnant women, the Salt Lake Tribune reported.

“I got a text message today saying I should seek to control men’s ejaculations and not women’s pregnancies,” Lisonbee said.

She added: “I do trust women enough to control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen.”

Republican Senators on Twitter today admitting that their strategy was to pack the courts with political conservatives in order to enact an agenda that was too unpopular to pass through an elected, popularly accountable Congress.
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Wiman and their magic vaginas

In the aftermath of the US supreme court decision that ended the right to abortion, amid nationwide protests over the removal of women’s control over their own bodies, one Utah Republican said women could “control [their] intake of semen”.

The comment by Karianne Lisonbee, a state representative, came in response to an assertion that men should be held accountable for unwanted pregnancies, not just pregnant women, the Salt Lake Tribune reported.

“I got a text message today saying I should seek to control men’s ejaculations and not women’s pregnancies,” Lisonbee said.

She added: “I do trust women enough to control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen.”

(1) it did not end the right to abortion. It sent the question to the states, where per the constitution it belongs.

(2) women have long had limits on what they can do with their bodies, in particular they cannot use their body in a way that harms someone else. There’s no controversy over laws that prevent female teachers from sleeping with male students. So there are already laws in the books that limit the choices women can make with their own bodies, when those choices would harm someone else. And no one protests those laws.

Am I responsible for what a Utah state senator says Paul? If so, are t you responsible for US Rep Hank Johnson saying Guam
might tip over if we build on it? Or for Hilary saying that her husbands victims were looney tunes narcissists? Or for biden saying republicans want to put blacks in chains?

Either we’re responsible for the lunatics in our side, or we’re not. But it applies equally to both of us.
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Am I responsible for what a Utah state senator says Paul? Did I ever claim you were? If so, are t you responsible for US Rep Hank Johnson saying Guam
might tip over if we build on it? Or for Hilary saying that her husbands victims were looney tunes narcissists? Or for biden saying republicans want to put blacks in chains?

Either we’re responsible for the lunatics in our side, or we’re not. But it applies equally to both of us.
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Let's not forget who started the thread

Let's not forget who started the thread

why bring up a vile ( and it is vile) quote from a state senator from the other side of the country? what were you trying to accomplish?

plenty of nuts in both sides.
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Let's not forget who started the thread

that’s fair.

Maxine Waters isnt a state senator from utah who no one has ever heard of. And she’s telling people
to defy federal rulings because she didn’t get what she wanted.

but that as a very fair comeback, your point was. sincerely.
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The GOP agenda - criminalize abortion, ban gun control, deregulate business, and pollute more - is super unpopular.

So Republicans stopped trying to enact it in law and instead nominated politicians to the bench to get their agenda enacted by the unelected, unaccountable branch.
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The GOP agenda - criminalize abortion, ban gun control, deregulate business, and pollute more - is super unpopular.

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so why are so many people moving to GOP states.
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so why are so many people moving to GOP states.
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Maybe all the bigots are moving there?

why bring up a vile ( and it is vile) quote from a state senator from the other side of the country? what were you trying to accomplish?

plenty of nuts in both sides.
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I'm pointing out the stupid statements. What are you trying to accomplish when you start threads like this?

Maybe all the bigots are moving there?

maybe. or maybe it’s consistent with the fact that in 2020, a record-number of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, so there’s data to suggest it’s that people like conservatism more than they like radical liberalism. .
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Republican Senators on Twitter today admitting that their strategy was to pack the courts with political conservatives in order to enact an agenda that was too unpopular to pass through an elected, popularly accountable Congress.
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letting state legislatures decide state issues, is the exact opposite of what you claim it is.
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letting state legislatures decide state issues, is the exact opposite of what you claim it is.
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It’s too late for Republicans to point fingers and fret about the politicization of the Supreme Court. This was their project – their justices, their shady advocacy groups, and $580M of their dark money.
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letting state legislatures decide state issues, is the exact opposite of what you claim it is.
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If Republicans actually believed in we the people they would stop supporting trump after he stole the election !

But the We the people in their world are a small subset of white evangelicals who vote in primaries and throw cash at Republicans to make American white again….

If the red states actually cared about issue of their state they would Vote on abortion state wide , but the cowards will never put that on the ballot …. The see the polls they know the answer

It’s the only freedoms they support and they want that they care about just look at abortion legal abortion never stopped a Christian from having a baby

just like gay marriages didn’t stop Christian marriages or stop Christian husbands from beating their wife’s . Ya know the same thing that happens in marriages across race and religion and nationality

But the GOP wants America to go back to the time of leave it to beaver and grease .

Where all of today’s problems in their peas cult drive sized brains never existed
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Like arguing with a cinder block
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So you think Trump not being allowed to post on twitter is a protected right in the constitution ?


So by Trump not being allowed on a private platform is an attack on his free speech Rights !

But I am the cinderBlock .. that’s funny


And Trump trying to steal the US election is exactly what? In your view . metaphorically of course
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GOP's Ted Cruz feuds with Elmo over kids getting COVID-19 vaccines

Cruz took to Twitter where he said Elmo "aggressively" advocates for vaccinating young children without citing scientific evidence.

Yes Ted children all through out America 0 to 5years old are demanding telling their parents Elmo told me to get the vaccine.
Ted knows who watches The show all those children the GOP claim they want to help

The show reached most young children in almost all demographic groups, most significantly economically disadvantaged children; 88% of children from low-income families and 90% of both African-American and Latino children watched the show before entering kindergarten.

Meanwhile Trumps attempted overthrow of the US election gets no attention from Ted
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Trump Group Pays for Jan. 6 Lawyers, Raising Concerns of Witness Pressure
The former president’s political organization and allies have paid for or promised to cover legal fees for witnesses, as the House inquiry suggests he is trying to influence testimony.

But Liz hugged a woman instead of shaking hands like men do. So Something fishy in Denmark
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