It’s funny I have said this should happen but of course the Republicans can’t help themselves they are so dishonest the vote isn’t going to happen during the general election nope

Republicans in the state legislature placed the abortion measure on the ballot as a special election alongside the previously scheduled primary, where traditionally only party-affiliated voters are allowed to vote. Many of the state’s unaffiliated voters — about 30 percent of the electorate — may not be aware they can vote this time, , a voter advocacy group, who called the move “blatantly anti-democratic.”

University of Kansas law professor Stephen McAllister, a former clerk for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas who served as the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney for Kansas, said that they are being disingenuous, and the real goal of the amendment is to pave the way for the Republican-led legislature to pass an outright abortion ban in its next session in January.

Just another example of the lack honesty of Republicans and commitment to free and fair elections.

Who are cowards to not hold the vote during a General election ..

you never heard of a referendum?

it’s undemocratic to let the people
vote for themselves? that’s the textbook definition of democratic.


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you never heard of a referendum?

it’s undemocratic to let the people
vote for themselves? that’s the textbook definition of democratic.


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Then put it on the general ballot in November when turnout is likely more robust….
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Then put it on the general ballot in November when turnout is likely more robust….
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are they keeping it a secret? is that what you think? wdmso found out about it.


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No, it’s not a secret, but they are banking on lower turnout, dominated by older, more conservative voters. As you like to say, tell me that’s wrong and why they can’t put it on the general ballot in November.
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No, it’s not a secret, but they are banking on lower turnout, dominated by older, more conservative voters. As you like to say, tell me that’s wrong and why they can’t put it on the general ballot in November.
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they also have early voting underway already. who does that favor? if you think abortion is infanticide, there’s urgency to having the vote asap. i’d want it today. isnt there some validity to that?

can i ask you a sincere question? i saw Faucci on tv, he was being grilled about the effect of covid vaccines on women’s menstrual cycles, Faucci admitted there was concern, and said “we need to study it more.”

isn’t that the kind of thing you study, before essentially forcing everyone to get 3 doses of the drug?


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they also have early voting underway already. who does that favor? if you think abortion is infanticide, there’s urgency to having the vote asap. i’d want it today. isnt there some validity to that?

can i ask you a sincere question? i saw Faucci on tv, he was being grilled about the effect of covid vaccines on women’s menstrual cycles, Faucci admitted there was concern, and said “we need to study it more.”

isn’t that the kind of thing you study, before essentially forcing everyone to get 3 doses of the drug?


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444 deaths from Covid today in the USA.
We are just seeing the effects of long Covid.
Just how prolife are you?
Only fetuses count?
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444 deaths from Covid today in the USA.
We are just seeing the effects of long Covid.
Just how prolife are you?
Only fetuses count?
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i asked about the effect on menstruation. i didn’t see you offer a syllable on that topic.
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https://youtu.be/faTNMTVsgAA
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https://youtu.be/faTNMTVsgAA
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so you can’t make
me wrong, but you can’t bring yourself to say it.

jerk.
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i asked about the effect on menstruation. i didn’t see you offer a syllable on that topic.
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Gotta keep the broodmares producing
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you never heard of a referendum?

it’s undemocratic to let the people
vote for themselves? that’s the textbook definition of democratic.


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Objectively isn’t your strong suit is it.

Any normal objective person sees this for what it is . and rock hound laid it out in the simplest of terms

But you seemed to have taken the GOP side ..

In a nut shell the GOP is doing what subway did .

Claiming to sell a 100% tuna sub (a Democratic vote) but minus the Tuna ( twisting and rushing a vote on a primary day )

While still saying their tuna sub is 100% tuna

Republicans are afraid of the ballot box that’s why they attack any attempts to make voting easy and accessible for everyone.

But gerrymandering the electoral college and voting restrictions are the way they can stay in power
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“Women can’t have rights because they are ugly” is not the winning argument MAGAts like Jim and Matt Gaetz think it is.
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Objectively isn’t your strong suit is it.

Any normal objective person sees this for what it is . and rock hound laid it out in the simplest of terms

But you seemed to have taken the GOP side ..

In a nut shell the GOP is doing what subway did .

Claiming to sell a 100% tuna sub (a Democratic vote) but minus the Tuna ( twisting and rushing a vote on a primary day )

While still saying their tuna sub is 100% tuna

Republicans are afraid of the ballot box that’s why they attack any attempts to make voting easy and accessible for everyone.

But gerrymandering the electoral college and voting restrictions are the way they can stay in power
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gerrymandering is bad? none of you cared when NY democrats did it and got caught.
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Objectively isn’t your strong suit is it.

Any normal objective person sees this for what it is . and rock hound laid it out in the simplest of terms

But you seemed to have taken the GOP side ..

In a nut shell the GOP is doing what subway did .

Claiming to sell a 100% tuna sub (a Democratic vote) but minus the Tuna ( twisting and rushing a vote on a primary day )

While still saying their tuna sub is 100% tuna

Republicans are afraid of the ballot box that’s why they attack any attempts to make voting easy and accessible for everyone.

But gerrymandering the electoral college and voting restrictions are the way they can stay in power
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objectively, if you consider abortion to be the murder of babies, you’d want that vote as soon as possible, so as to hopefully end the slaughter sooner rather than later

Sorry if that’s going too fast for you.
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A vote for Republican in November is a vote to eliminate abortion, to restrict contraception, to prevent interstate travel for reproductive care, and to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

"Extreme" doesn't even begin to cover it.
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gerrymandering is bad? none of you cared when NY democrats did it and got caught.
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yes they got caught and it didn't work but dont be honest Gerrymandering by Republicans is a policy to avoid American Voters and make GOP safe districts to avoid having to govern to get re elected

Again you are short on a historical perspective ... and everything the same

objectively, if you consider abortion to be the murder of babies, you’d want that vote as soon as possible, so as to hopefully end the slaughter sooner rather than later

Sorry if that’s going too fast for you.
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Abortion has been in world history since the beginning of time ...

All you wish to do is impose your beliefs on others as some righteous Zealot its the new GOP No different than the Sunnis in Iraq a religious and political minority. Whos only way to stay in power is to cheat and intimidate and lie and create a system where they are insulated by the vote of the Majority ... And who of course claim those in the Majority are tyrannical and are trying to oppress them and their religion .. By suggesting the liberal idea of treating All Americans equally Some how infringes on them and their life its all :bs:

Abortion has been in world history since the beginning of time ...

All you wish to do is impose your beliefs on others as some righteous Zealot its the new GOP No different than the Sunnis in Iraq a religious and political minority. Whos only way to stay in power is to cheat and intimidate and lie and create a system where they are insulated by the vote of the Majority ... And who of course claim those in the Majority are tyrannical and are trying to oppress them and their religion .. By suggesting the liberal idea of treating All Americans equally Some how infringes on them and their life its all :bs:

you’re not hoping you’re beliefs become policy? i’m then only home who does that? sure.

it’s not totalitarian to be opposed to murder.

“just like
the sunnis.”

yup. just like them. how come everyone wants to move to red states?
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you’re not hoping you’re beliefs become policy? i’m then only home who does that? sure.

it’s not totalitarian to be opposed to murder.

“just like
the sunnis.”

yup. just like them. how come everyone wants to move to red states?
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Yea you’ll be fine
Who needs teachers, doctors or any of those high falutin professionals

Headline
As professionals flee antiabortion policies, red states face a brain drain
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Yea you’ll be fine
Who needs teachers, doctors or any of those high falutin professionals

Headline
As professionals flee antiabortion policies, red states face a brain drain
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many places in the hot states ( TN, NC, SC, NH, FL) can’t put up $650,000 homes fast enough. you don’t think people buying those homes, care about schools and healthcare?

You’re clinging to the old liberal notion that sky high taxes are good, because younger what you pay for. Americans are realizing what bullsh*t that is.

I’m not saying WV and KY are better than the CT suburbs. But there are specific places in red states, where you can get a very similar quality of life compared to what you’d get in CT, for way less cost.

I’ve listed cities in NH ( Bow , Bedford, Hollis, Brookline, Amherst), some of the best schools
in the state. Zero state income tax, zero state sales tax. My brother moved to Franklin TN years ago, very low taxes, zero decrease in quality of life

You’re problem is, you think every square inch of all red states, is fried twinkies and trailer parks and meth labs. It’s simply not true, Americans are realizing it, and the exodus has begun.

No one cares that you don’t happen to like it.
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Headline
As professionals flee antiabortion policies, red states face a brain drain
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that headline exists only in your psychosis. In the real world, productive citizens are fleeing blue states for red states, and it will get worse. In the next 15 years CT will be staring at impossible pension and healthcare benefits it can’t come close to paying. Massive tax hikes are coming, which will
exacerbate the exodus. Same thing coming in NJ and IL.

It’s elementary school arithmetic. It’s not complicated.
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That Headline was in a paper

Whatever makes you think red states are immune

“In February 2022, 14 of the top 50 metros had a rent share higher than 30% relative to the median household income,” Realtor.com reported. “The least affordable rental market was Miami, Fla., followed by western and Sun Belt metros like Los Angeles, Calif., Riverside, Calif., Tampa, Fla., and San Diego, Calif. In addition, affordability has worsened in each one of the 14 markets as the current rent share of income is higher than this time last year and also higher than the average for 2021 as a whole.”
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Yea you’ll be fine
Who needs teachers, doctors or any of those high falutin professionals

Headline
As professionals flee antiabortion policies, red states face a brain drain
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here ya go Petie, this tool
let’s you look at national rankings of high schools. from US News and World report.

I live in a middle class Hartford suburb called southington. it’s a nice, very typical CT suburb. i pay all the usual CT taxes. the public high school is ranked 3,418th in the nation.

We looked at moving once, to Hollis NH. zero state income tax, zero state sales tax. Massive savings over CT. and the public high school
is ranked 1,119th in the nation. Much better.

I’m not saying every town in NH is great. What i’m saying, is that there are specific towns in red states ( and only in red states) that have a much better value proposition than comparable towns in blue states. there are beautiful places to live in CT. But they’re all insanely expensive., so they’re not all
a great value.

There’s no denying that.

what am i getting for all the taxes i pay in CT, that i wouldn’t get in a beautiful suburb in NH, TN, or NC?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-hampshire/districts/hollisbrookline-coop-school-district/hollis-brookline-high-school-12389
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here ya go Petie, this tool
let’s you look at national rankings of high schools. from US News and World report.

I live in a middle class Hartford suburb called southington. it’s a nice, very typical CT suburb. i pay all the usual CT taxes. the public high school is ranked 3,418th in the national.

We looked at moving once, to Hollis NH. zero state income tax, zero state sales tax. Massive savings over CT. and the public high school
is ranked 1,119th in the nation. Much better.

I’m not saying every town in NH is great. What i’m
saying, is that there are specific towns in red states ( only in red states) that have a much better value proposition than comparable towns in blue states.

There’s no denying that.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-hampshire/districts/hollisbrookline-coop-school-district/hollis-brookline-high-school-12389
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You want to move to a state that has more liberals than CT and claim it’s because it’s nominally red?

In the last Presidential election, Hillsborough county flipped moderately Democratic, 52.8% to 45.2%.
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You want to move to a state that has more liberals than CT and claim it’s because it’s nominally red?

In the last Presidential election, Hillsborough county flipped moderately Democratic, 52.8% to 45.2%.
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do you ever answer a question?

i’d move to a state to put more than $1,000 more in my pocket every single month. to change my kids’ lives.


NH isn’t more liberal than CT. are you saying it is? seriously?
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you’re not hoping you’re beliefs become policy? i’m then only home who does that? sure.

it’s not totalitarian to be opposed to murder.

“just like
the sunnis.”

yup. just like them. how come everyone wants to move to red states?
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Your everyone wants to move to a red state again!

you need new material other than your repeated lie and red state fantasy…. Yet in the real world


After court ruling, activists push prayer into schools
They say church and state are already too separate

Yep another real world example of the minority trying to impose their religious views … in public and government spaces ..
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Your everyone wants to move to a red state again!

you need new material other than your repeated lie and red state fantasy…. Yet in the real world


After court ruling, activists push prayer into schools
They say church and state are already too separate

Yep another real world example of the minority trying to impose their religious views … in public and government spaces ..
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i’m lying when i say people
are moving from blue states to red states?
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Here is a story that of course completely makes Jim’s claim of people moving to red states are solely political and Jim please don’t say you never suggested that “ yup. just like them. how come everyone wants to move to red states?”

When the truth is How’s the internet services seems to be the number 1 concern of people looking to move into what’s considered rural community

Americans are moving to rural areas in ever-increasing numbers, reflecting their increased desire to seek out more space, embrace entrepreneurial opportunities, and take advantage of a lower cost of living. Politics was last on the list

DECIDING FACTORS
However, one factor, internet service, would be the deciding factor for 67% of those who responded to the Paulsen and Audience Audit survey.

Ultimately, many Americans would consider making a move if there had a reliable internet connection. This is one of the biggest issues that some folks have with the rural migration. If there is no service, then many people will not be able to keep their jobs and work from home


Among the top reasons that survey respondents said that they moved to a rural area include:

More land or space around home
Fewer people
More home for less money
Safe environment with clean air and water
Lower cost of living
No traffic
Different culture
Living in a place with different political affiliation



https://www.aem.org/news/the-rural-migration-trend-what-to-make-of-it-why-its-happening-and-where-its-headed
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i’m lying when i say people
are moving from blue states to red states?
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No Jim your lying about the reason. And you keep saying it over and over and over . Suggesting they are fleeing blue states to red states based on politics
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Found this interesting bit of knowledge

Federal Funding Per Resident: $2,187 In Fla

Federal Funding Per Resident: -$4,000 In Conn. yep that’s a minus

Massachusetts
Federal Funding Per Resident: -$2,343.

Georgia
Federal Funding Per Resident: $2,253


Kentucky
Federal Funding Per Resident: $9,145 Home of Rand Paul who works to combat government waste. That’s funny let’s start by cutting off his state. and Turtle Boy

Yep Jim blue states subsidize red states and their low cost of living taxes and fees. Again facts are not your friend
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No Jim your lying about the reason. And you keep saying it over and over and over . Suggesting they are fleeing blue states to red states based on politics
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No that's not what he's saying, he's saying that people are moving to red states based on lower cost of living, because their tax burden is lower, which is seen as a trait of Red States, and he can have more money in his bank account for other things to improve his quality of life.

He's not saying that people are moving to get away from liberal politics

No that's not what he's saying, he's saying that people are moving to red states based on lower cost of living, because their tax burden is lower, which is seen as a trait of Red States, and he can have more money in his bank account for other things to improve his quality of life.

He's not saying that people are moving to get away from liberal politics

thank you. maybe they’ll see it now, probably not.
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Found this interesting bit of knowledge

Federal Funding Per Resident: $2,187 In Fla

Federal Funding Per Resident: -$4,000 In Conn. yep that’s a minus

Massachusetts
Federal Funding Per Resident: -$2,343.

Georgia
Federal Funding Per Resident: $2,253


Kentucky
Federal Funding Per Resident: $9,145 Home of Rand Paul who works to combat government waste. That’s funny let’s start by cutting off his state. and Turtle Boy

Yep Jim blue states subsidize red states and their low cost of living taxes and fees. Again facts are not your friend
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there’s also historically been a red state subsidy of blue states. blue states have higher state/local taxes. which is a deduction on federal income taxes. meaning, wayne, let’s say you’re in CT and i am in FL and we have identical
financials except for state/local taxes. you pay less federal income tax than i do, only because you live in a blue state.

that subsidy ( red states subsidizing blue states) existed forever. Trump reduced it with the SALT cap. you need to consider that too. but you guys always leave it out.

and leave KY out, people aren’t flocking there.
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No that's not what he's saying, he's saying that people are moving to red states based on lower cost of living, because their tax burden is lower, which is seen as a trait of Red States, and he can have more money in his bank account for other things to improve his quality of life.

He's not saying that people are moving to get away from liberal politics

i’d say low cost is absolutely a trait of red states, not just perceived as such.
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Found this interesting bit of knowledge

Federal Funding Per Resident: $2,187 In Fla

Federal Funding Per Resident: -$4,000 In Conn. yep that’s a minus

Massachusetts
Federal Funding Per Resident: -$2,343.

Georgia
Federal Funding Per Resident: $2,253


Kentucky
Federal Funding Per Resident: $9,145 Home of Rand Paul who works to combat government waste. That’s funny let’s start by cutting off his state. and Turtle Boy

Yep Jim blue states subsidize red states and their low cost of living taxes and fees. Again facts are not your friend
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so the federal funding is 1,800 lower in CT then it is in FL. i pay $10,000 in state income tax in CT that i wouldn’t pay in FL. plus car taxes, gas tax, uconn is way more expensive than public schools in FL. the federal funding gap doesn’t explain much of the difference, does it?
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wdmso, uconn costs $35k a year for in state.

Florida State costs $23k a year for in state

the savings just keep adding up and up, meaning your federal funding gap accounts for very little of the cost differential.

if you had two kids you put through those schools for 4 years each, you’re saving $96k in FL. plus paying zero state income tax!

There’s just no comparison. None.
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wdmso, uconn costs $35k a year for in state.

Florida State costs $23k a year for in state

the savings just keep adding up and up, meaning your federal funding gap accounts for very little of the cost differential.

if you had two kids you put through those schools for 4 years each, you’re saving $96k in FL. plus paying zero state income tax!

There’s just no comparison. None.
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So why doesn’t everyone go to Fla state ! If life is so black and white.

There’s probably schools cheaper than both Fla state and UConn that are less expensive



Yet people send their kids to schools they can afford or a school that will accept them or they can get a scholarship

But keep up the everyone’s moving to red states because of politics
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So why doesn’t everyone go to Fla state ! If life is so black and white.

There’s probably schools cheaper than both Fla state and UConn that are less expensive



Yet people send their kids to schools they can afford or a school that will accept them or they can get a scholarship

But keep up the everyone’s moving to red states because of politics
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moving to another state is huge. i wasn’t making a case to move to FL. i was showing that when you said the federal funding is $1800 lower in CT than in FL, that’s nothing compared to the actual difference in cost of living between those states. $1800 a year is nothing. that doesn’t even come close to explaining why it’s so much cheaper to live in FL.
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No that's not what he's saying, he's saying that people are moving to red states based on lower cost of living, because their tax burden is lower, which is seen as a trait of Red States, and he can have more money in his bank account for other things to improve his quality of life.

He's not saying that people are moving to get away from liberal politics

Yes he has and still is !

Seems you haven’t been paying attention..

everyone but Jim has said what you’ve said .

Good luck finding any place where Jim has written anything remotely suggesting people move for a multitude of reason


He’s the only one who has insisted and connected politics to people moving to red states and does it repeatedly


But I must be imagining it
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Florida is the least affordable place to live in the U.S.

Unless you want to live in trailer


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-least-affordable-state-us-miami-tampa-orlando-naples-rent/
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Florida is the least affordable place to live in the U.S.

Unless you want to live in trailer


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-least-affordable-state-us-miami-tampa-orlando-naples-rent/
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that’s recent real estate prices you’re referring to.

now, let’s take a quiz. do you think real estate is soaring in FL because nobody wants to live there, or because many people want to live there.

the state doesnt control real
estate prices. Supply and demand dictates real estate prices. The state does control the fact that taxes are low, which is a big reason why. housing is in demand.
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Florida is the least affordable place to live in the U.S.

Unless you want to live in trailer


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-least-affordable-state-us-miami-tampa-orlando-naples-rent/
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from your article…

“Florida’s population is growing faster than any state other than Texas.”

A quote from your article. and you say i’m lying when i claim that states are growing the fastest.

You’re absolutely precious.
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You ever been to Floriduh?
If suburbia isn’t your thing, I don’t suggest living there.
It seems some people like living on top of each other.
F that
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thank you. maybe they’ll see it now, probably not.
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As you predicted…. :rolleyes:

https://c.tenor.com/Ba1mSkjYlmcAAAAM/ray-charles-blind.gif
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Faced with a steady stream of horror stories about the impact of abortion bans on patients suffering failed pregnancies, anti-abortion advocates have retreated into a paranoid conspiracy theory that doctors are trying to "create viral stories making abortion bans look culpable."
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from your article…

“Florida’s population is growing faster than any state other than Texas.”

A quote from your article. and you say i’m lying when i claim that states are growing the fastest.

You’re absolutely precious.
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You drinking kool aid again?

you say i’m lying when i claim that states are growing the fastest.

Ya ok ! of course I never mentioned nor did you ever mentioned which states are growing faster in this thread.

you just keep repeating your lie and keep insisting and keep saying their moving to red states because of politics

You can’t even keep track of what you said or where
. seeing you post so much nonsense
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You drinking kool aid again?

you say i’m lying when i claim that states are growing the fastest.

Ya ok ! of course I never mentioned nor did you ever mentioned which states are growing faster in this thread.

you just keep repeating your lie and keep insisting and keep saying their moving to red states because of politics

You can’t even keep track of what you said or where
. seeing you post so much nonsense
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i said red states are growing the fastest.

you said i was lying.

then you posted an article saying that TX and FL are the two fastest growing states


It’s quite interesting talking to you.
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It’s quite interesting talking to you.
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https://c.tenor.com/5XQtMMFlTBoAAAAM/brain-freeze-baby.gif
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Faced with a steady stream of horror stories about the impact of abortion bans on patients suffering

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interesting developments in the pregnant 10 year old case...looking more like she was shuffled across state lines to protect the rapist(mom's boyfriend) from the authorities....but it was a convenient story for the activists

When Missouri doctors terminate a pregnancy because of a medical emergency, they must report their decision to the state. Then prosecutors review it and decide whether or not to charge them with a criminal violation of the state's abortion ban.

Because medicine is a topic in law school
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Love the fetus, could care less about the baby and mom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/28/upshot/abortion-bans-states-social-services.html

States With Abortion Bans Are Among Least Supportive for Mothers and Children
They tend to have the weakest social services and the worst results in several categories of health and well-being.

By Emily Badger, Margot Sanger-Katz and Claire Cain MillerGraphics by Eve Washington
July 28, 2022


How Women and Children Fare

States hostile to abortion fare worse on a variety of health and well-being outcomes, while states supportive of abortion rights tend to have a more generous social safety net.

WHERE ABORTION IS ...
OUTCOME BANNED OR LIKELY TO BE (24 STATES) UNLIKELY TO BE BANNED (20 STATES)
Children in poverty
Pct. below poverty line
18.5% 14.8%
Uninsured women
Pct. of women of reproductive age without health insurance
15.7% 9.0%
Uninsured children
Pct. of children without health insurance
7.2% 3.6%
Low-birthweight babies
Pct. of babies born weighing less than 2.5 kg (5.5 lbs.)
8.8% 7.7%
Teen births
Births per 1,000 females age 15 to 19
21.2 12.1
Infant mortality
Deaths per 1,000 live births
6.3 4.7
Maternal mortality
Deaths per 100,000 live births
25.2 15.0
POLICY BANNED OR LIKELY TO BE (24 STATES) UNLIKELY TO BE BANNED (20 STATES)
Paid family leave
Offer paid family leave
0
STATES
11
STATES
Expanded Medicaid
Expanded Medicaid under Obamacare to cover poor, childless adults
15
STATES
20
STATES
Min. wage above $7.25
Above the federal floor
8
STATES
19
STATES
Universal pre-K
Committed to offering universal pre-K
6
STATES
6
STATES
Groups with larger rates are highlighted.

The table excludes data from six states — N.C., Fla., Kan., Pa., Va. and Mont. — where the future legal status of abortion is least clear.
In Mississippi, which brought the abortion case that ended Roe v. Wade before the Supreme Court, Gov. Tate Reeves vowed that the state would now “take every step necessary to support mothers and children.”

Today, however, Mississippi fares poorly on just about any measure of that goal. Its infant and maternal mortality rates are among the worst in the nation.

State leaders have rejected the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion, leaving an estimated 43,000 women of reproductive age without health insurance. They have chosen not to extend Medicaid to women for a full year after giving birth. And they have a welfare program that gives some of the country’s least generous cash assistance — a maximum of $260 a month for a poor mother raising two children.

Mississippi embodies a national pattern: States that have banned abortion, or are expected to, have among the nation’s weakest social services for women and children, and have higher rates of death for infants and mothers.

According to a New York Times analysis, the 24 states that have banned abortion (or probably will) fare worse on a broad range of outcomes than states where abortion will probably remain legal, including child and maternal mortality, teenage birthrates and the share of women and children who are uninsured. The states likely to ban abortion either have laws predating Roe that ban abortion; have recently passed stringent restrictions; or have legislatures that are actively considering new bans.

The majority of these states have turned down the yearlong Medicaid postpartum extension. Nine have declined the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion, which provides health care to the poor. None offer new parents paid leave from work to care for their newborns.

“The safety net is woefully inadequate,” said Carol Burnett, who works with poor and single mothers as executive director of the Mississippi Low-Income Child Care Initiative, a nonprofit. “All of these demonstrated state-level obstacles prevent moms from getting the help they need, the health care they need, the child care they need.”



How States Rank on Measures of Well-Being for Women and Children
Poverty and mortality measures for mothers and babies are worse in states that have banned abortion or are likely to do so.

BETTER RANK
WORSE RANK
10th20th30th40th
Banned or likely to ban abortion
STATE UNINSURED WOMEN MATERNAL MORTALITY INFANT MORTALITY CHILD POVERTY
Miss. 48th 45th 50th 50th
Okla. 49th 37th 46th 41st
Ala. 38th 48th 48th 45th
Ga. 45th 43rd 45th 38th
Ark. 33rd 50th 47th 46th
La. 28th 46th 49th 49th
S.C. 37th 44th 44th 42nd
Tenn. 34th 47th 43rd 43rd
Texas 50th 34th 21st 39th
S.D. 42nd 25th* 37th 26th
Mo. 40th 38th 34th 30th
W.Va. 13th 32nd* 40th 44th
Ariz. 39th 42nd 20th 37th
Wyo. 47th 16th* 35th 13th
Ohio 16th 28th 42nd 36th
Ind. 30th 41st 39th 23rd
Ky. 15th 49th 18th 47th
Mich. 9th 23rd 36th 34th
Idaho 44th 19th* 10th 15th
Wis. 11th 4th* 29th 22nd
N.D. 19th 33rd* 38th 2nd
Neb. 26th 40th 19th 7th
Utah 31st 7th* 17th 3rd
Iowa 2nd 8th* 14th 16th
May ban abortion
STATE UNINSURED WOMEN MATERNAL MORTALITY INFANT MORTALITY CHILD POVERTY
N.C. 43rd 27th 41st 40th
Fla. 46th 29th 30th 33rd
Kan. 36th 30th 33rd 24th
Pa. 10th 15th 25th 32nd
Va. 25th 31st 24th 18th
Mont. 23rd 35th* 12th 25th
Unlikely to ban abortion
STATE UNINSURED WOMEN MATERNAL MORTALITY INFANT MORTALITY CHILD POVERTY
N.M. 32nd 14th* 23rd 48th
Nev. 41st 22nd 26th 31st
Ill. 20th 9th 32nd 29th
Del. 14th 17th* 31st 28th
Alaska 35th 39th* 16th 14th
Maine 27th 3rd* 15th 20th
Calif. 22nd 6th 4th 27th
Md. 12th 21st 28th 9th
R.I. 5th 18th* 22nd 21st
N.Y. 7th 24th 5th 35th
N.J. 29th 36th 3rd 11th
Ore. 17th 12th* 8th 17th
Colo. 24th 11th 11th 5th
Hawaii 4th 10th* 27th 8th
Wash. 18th 26th 7th 12th
Conn. 8th 20th* 6th 19th
Minn. 6th 5th* 13th 6th
N.H. 21st 1st* 1st 1st
Vt. 3rd 2nd* 9th 4th
Mass. 1st 13th 2nd 10th
Ranks with asterisks are based on fewer than 20 deaths and may be unreliable. States with identical values are assigned sequential rankings in alphabetical order.

Many anti-abortion activists have acknowledged that improving the health and livelihoods of mothers and young children is an important goal for their movement: “This has been my lecture to the pro-life movement for the last year,” said Kristan Hawkins, the president of Students for Life. “No woman stands alone in the post-Roe America.”

But in many of these states, skepticism of government aid runs as deep as opposition to abortion. And racism has played a role over generations in weakening safety nets for all poor residents, researchers and historians say.

Studies have repeatedly found that states where the safety net is less generous and harder to access tend to be those with relatively more Black residents. That has further implications for Black women, who have a maternal mortality rate nationally that is nearly three times that of white women.

State Policies That Support Women and Children
States where abortion is expected to remain legal are more likely to have enacted policies that benefit families.

Banned or likely to ban abortion
STATE EXPANDED
MEDICAID PAID
LEAVE MIN.
WAGE+ UNIV.
PRE-K
Miss. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
S.C. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
Tenn. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
Texas ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
Wyo. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
Ala. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✓
Ga. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✓
Idaho ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
Ind. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
Ky. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
La. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
N.D. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
S.D. ✕ ✕ ✓ ✕
Utah ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
Wis. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✓
Ariz. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Ark. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Iowa ✓ ✕ ✕ ✓
Mich. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Mo. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Neb. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Ohio ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Okla. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✓
W.Va. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✓
May ban abortion
STATE EXPANDED
MEDICAID PAID
LEAVE MIN.
WAGE+ UNIV.
PRE-K
Kan. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
N.C. ✕ ✕ ✕ ✕
Pa. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
Fla. ✕ ✕ ✓ ✓
Mont. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Va. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Unlikely to ban abortion
STATE EXPANDED
MEDICAID PAID
LEAVE MIN.
WAGE+ UNIV.
PRE-K
N.H. ✓ ✕ ✕ ✕
Alaska ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Hawaii ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Ill. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Minn. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Nev. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
N.M. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✕
Conn. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
Del. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
Maine ✓ ✕ ✓ ✓
Md. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
Mass. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
Ore. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
R.I. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
Vt. ✓ ✕ ✓ ✓
Wash. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✕
Calif. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
Colo. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
N.J. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
N.Y. ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
States that have committed to universal pre-K but have not yet implemented it are included. States with minimum wage+ are those that guarantee more than the federal $7.25 hourly minimum.
Social spending is not the only answer to poverty and poor public health, and some in the anti-abortion movement stress that they want to help women and children — just not with more government spending. But there is a strong link between state policy choices and outcomes for mothers and children, researchers have found.

Perhaps the clearest example is health insurance. Numerous studies have tied it to improved health and financial security for poor Americans. Since 2014, states have had the option to expand their Medicaid programs to cover nearly all poor adults, with the federal government paying 90 percent or more of the cost. But nine of the states planning to ban abortion have not expanded it, citing opposition to Obamacare, which Republicans have long vowed to repeal; a disinclination to offer health benefits to poor Americans who do not work; or concerns about the 10 percent of the bill left to state governments to finance.

“Closing the Medicaid gap is the first and best option for women’s health care,” said Allison Orris, a senior fellow focused on health policy at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Since 2021, states have also had the choice to expand Medicaid to cover women for a full year after a birth instead of two months. Just 16 states have declined to do so or opted for a shorter period — all but three of them are also banning or seeking to ban abortion.

Women who are poor and pregnant are eligible for Medicaid across the country, and the program pays for four in 10 births nationwide. But health experts say it also matters that women are covered for an extended period after birth, and for the years leading up to pregnancy. Conditions like diabetes, cardiovascular disease and substance abuse can lead to pregnancy complications and poor infant health. Research suggests that Medicaid expansion can reduce maternal mortality. Medicaid also pays for contraception.

ImageThe case against Jackson Women’s Health Organization clinic in Jackson, Miss., wound up ending Roe v. Wade. Mississippi ranks last in the nation in infant mortality.
The case against Jackson Women’s Health Organization clinic in Jackson, Miss., wound up ending Roe v. Wade. Mississippi ranks last in the nation in infant mortality. Credit...Rogelio V. Solis/Associated Press

Paid family leave and subsidized child care are another example. None of the states that have banned abortion (or are likely to) guarantee parents paid leave from work to care for and bond with their newborns. Just 11 states and the District of Columbia do. Paid leave has been shown to benefit infants’ health and mothers’ physical and mental health as well as their economic prospects.

In most states, there is no guaranteed child care for children until they enter kindergarten at age 5. Subsidies available to low-income families cover a small segment of eligible children, ranging from less than 4 percent in Arkansas (which now bans abortion) to more than 17 percent in Vermont (which passed abortion rights legislation).

In many states, the subsidies also present a conundrum: Parents are required to work to get them, yet they can’t find or start work without child care. Some states add other obstacles. Mississippi requires single mothers to file for child support from fathers before they can receive subsidies. Also, a job paying minimum wage — which is not higher than the federal floor of $7.25 in 20 states — doesn’t necessarily pay enough to cover even subsidized care.

Support for families is different in some states once children are 3 or 4. Thirteen states and the District of Columbia offer or have committed to offering universal preschool. Unlike with other family benefits, anti-abortion states are roughly as likely as other states to offer public preschool. Six of those 13 states ban abortion or probably will.

“This is consistent with a view that education is a public responsibility,” said Steven Barnett, senior co-director of the National Institute for Early Education Research at Rutgers, while other safety-net programs “fall outside the accepted sphere of public responsibility in the conservative states.”

Poorer states may have fewer resources to fund benefits like parental leave, or state supplements to the federal earned-income tax credit. But what they choose to do with federal grants can be revealing, said Zachary Parolin, a professor of social policy at Bocconi University in Milan who has studied how states use the broad discretion given to them by the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families welfare program.

“You can’t say Alabama gives very little cash assistance for low-income families with children because it can’t afford” the program, Mr. Parolin said. “It has a TANF program, and it’s primarily funded by the federal government.”

But in 2020, Alabama spent only about 8 percent of its welfare funds on direct cash assistance to families. Mississippi spent 5 percent. Instead, states often spend these grants on a wide range of other programs like pro-marriage advertising campaigns and abstinence-only sex education (in 2020, a state auditor in Mississippi found that the state misspent millions of federal welfare dollars, including on speeches that were never delivered by the former quarterback Brett Favre).

Mr. Parolin’s research has shown that states with larger Black population shares tend to spend the least on cash assistance, widening the poverty gap in America between Black and white children. The Times analysis similarly found that states likely to ban abortion devote a smaller share of welfare funds to basic assistance.

States with less generous safety-net programs also frequently use complex rules and paperwork to further limit access to benefits, said Sarah Bruch, a professor of social policy and sociology at the University of Delaware. States could help women and families, she said, not just by investing more in the safety net, but also by making it easier to find and use.

Angela Rachidi, a senior fellow studying poverty and safety-net programs at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute, said the government has some role to play, but not alone: “We have a broader responsibility as a society — employers, churches, community organizations — to ensure moms feel they can bring those kids into the world.”

Evidence so far suggests that those organizations will struggle to meet the growing need.

After the Supreme Court decision, other governors banning abortion trumpeted their commitment to pregnant women and children. “Being pro-life entails more than being ‘pro-birth,’” wrote J. Kevin Stitt, the governor of Oklahoma, in an executive order signed July 11.

Oklahoma ranks among the bottom 10 states on measures of child poverty, infant mortality and the share of women of reproductive age without health insurance.

In Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement that the state has “prioritized supporting women’s health care and expectant mothers in need.”

He pointed to Texas’ decision to offer mothers six months of postpartum Medicaid coverage. But the state declined the full year of coverage offered by the federal government. Texas has also used techniques to purge children from Medicaid coverage for paperwork lapses. It has a higher rate of uninsured children and women of reproductive age than any other state.

In its legislation restricting abortion, Texas set aside $100 million over two years for a program that connects women with counseling, education and supplies, called Alternatives to Abortion. That funding pales in comparison with another benefit, which Texas has declined — the estimated $6 billion in federal funds each year that it’s losing by choosing not to expand Medicaid.

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which is why everyone is flocking there.

if there’s one thing i hate, it’s babies after they’re born.
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Is that satire or snarkiness?

which is why everyone is flocking there.

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people from red states can't flock to blue states because they are too stupid to compete there....they just wallow in their red state misery making plans for the next batch of moonshine.....

Is that satire or snarkiness?

you should run with it on your high horse.......:)

you should run with it on your high horse.......:)

snarkiness - Such a bad look

if there’s one thing i hate, it’s babies after they’re born.
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but the taxes are lower.

but the taxes are lower.

right.

many people would rather the state take less of their money, because then they have more money to get for themselves, whatever they need.

i’m not saying there aren’t cultural challenges in the deep south, as there are cultural
challenges in the big cities.

Here’s what i’m saying. I could move to FL tomorrow. If i did so, I’d save more than 15k a year in state income taxes. that’s not counting many other savings, gas taxes, municipal car tax, etc. In addition, the public universities in FL are about $12k a year cheaper than UCONN.

I’d save an absolute fortune. And there are nice, quiet suburbs where i could enjoy a similar quality of life

Many many people are realizing what i realized. The only reason i don’t go is that my parents live a mile away and i like being near them in their old age. Not many people
feel that obligation, which is why so many are moving to places where life is a lot easier

$15k more in my pocket every single year, PLUS save a fortune on college? That ain’t peanuts, Paul.

Similar savings in NH and the suburbs of Charlotte and Nashville.

and i can’t think of a single thing i get for that premium
i pay here in CT, that i wouldn’t get in a nice suburb of NH, NC, SC, TN, or FL.

i pay a fortune more to live here, and i honestly don’t know if a single thing i get that i wouldn’t get in any of those places.
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snarkiness - Such a bad look

opinions from your high horse are amusing :hihi:

right.

many people would rather the state take less of their money, because then they have more money to get for themselves, whatever they need.

i’m not saying there aren’t cultural challenges in the deep south, as there are cultural
challenges in the big cities.

Here’s what i’m saying. I could move to FL tomorrow. If i did so, I’d save more than 15k a year in state income taxes. that’s not counting many other savings, gas taxes, municipal car tax, etc. In addition, the public universities in FL are about $12k a year cheaper than UCONN.

I’d save an absolute fortune. And there are nice, quiet suburbs where i could enjoy a similar quality of life

Many many people are realizing what i realized. The only reason i don’t go is that my parents live a mile away and i like being near them in their old age. Not many people
feel that obligation, which is why so many are moving to places where life is a lot easier

$15k more in my pocket every single year, PLUS save a fortune on college? That ain’t peanuts, Paul.

Similar savings in NH and the suburbs of Charlotte and Nashville.

and i can’t think of a single thing i get for that premium
i pay here in CT, that i wouldn’t get in a nice suburb of NH, NC, SC, TN, or FL.

i pay a fortune more to live here, and i honestly don’t know if a single thing i get that i wouldn’t get in any of those places.
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I missed where you tried to defend those states where their policy seems to be "love the fetus, could care less about the baby and the mom"

opinions from your high horse are amusing :hihi:

your snarkiness is boring and such a bad look for an adult male.

Not sure where you got your 15K figure from but it appears you still might be better off in CT.

State
Mean Household Income
New Jersey $114,691
Connecticut $113,031
Massachusetts $111,498
Maryland $111,417
California $106,916
Hawaii $103,780
New York $101,945
Virginia $101,746
New Hampshire $99,165
Washington $98,983
Alaska $98,606
Colorado $96,970
Minnesota $93,925
Illinois $92,395
Utah $91,292
Delaware $90,092
Rhode Island $89,093
Texas $87,260
North Dakota $85,476
Pennsylvania $84,849
Oregon $84,258
Georgia $82,406
Wyoming $81,880
Nevada $81,496
Vermont $81,233
Arizona $80,779
Wisconsin $80,674
Florida $80,286
Nebraska $80,208
Kansas $80,009
Iowa $78,411
Michigan $78,400
Ohio $76,958
North Carolina $76,940
South Dakota $76,240
Maine $76,227
Missouri $76,060
Indiana $75,025
Tennessee $74,750
Montana $74,190
Idaho $73,810
South Carolina $73,520
Oklahoma $72,695
Louisiana $71,001
Kentucky $70,144
Alabama $69,842
New Mexico $69,077
Arkansas $66,557
West Virginia $63,680
Mississippi $62,835

I missed where you tried to defend those states where their policy seems to be "love the fetus, could care less about the baby and the mom"

here’s my defense of those states…that’s where americans are choosing to move, in larger numbers than they are moving to blue states

can you tell me what i’m getting for the hundreds of thousands of dollars extra i give to the state if CT? i asked you that before, you said “services.”. i asked you to elaborate, and i didn’t see you respond.

we do have that busway that nobody rides.
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higher salary. Look at any salary type stat (aver, median). Much higher in CT.

What you are not getting in Ct is less $ spent on babies and their moms.

You're an outlier.

If it was as simple as red v blue then West Virginia, Louisiana and Mississippi wouldn’t be losing population
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higher salary. Look at any salary type stat (aver, median). Much higher in CT.

What you are not getting in Ct is less $ spent on babies and their moms.

You're an outlier.

nope. many many people
can now move to a cheaper state and keon their salary.

it’s demonstrably false to say i’m an outlier.

ive worked at aetna, travelers, and the hartford, ive never heard of an existing employee being forced to take a pay cut when they move to another state.

job postings for new hires will often have higher salaries in blue states. but those salaries are usually then portable

You’re just wrong and making stuff up.

Yup, that extra $$ spent on moms and babies has eliminated all the problems in Bridgeport and hartford.
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nope. many many people
can now move to a cheaper state and keon their salary.

it’s demonstrably false to say i’m an outlier.

ive worked at aetna, travelers, and the hartford, ive never heard of an existing employee being forced to take a pay cut when they move to another state. And when I worked at Travelers for my first job and they were going to regional offices and my boss was going and asked me to consider it he said you can keep your salary but your raises will be lower (and did talk about cost of living).

job postings for new hires will often have higher salaries in blue states. but those salaries are usually then portable

You’re just wrong and making stuff up.

Yup, that extra $$ spent on moms and babies has eliminated all the problems in Bridgeport and hartford.
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How am I making things up when I showed you stats that shows the states that are trying/banning abortion all seem to spend far less $ on babies and the moms? That shows that their philosophy seems to be "show some concern for the fetus (but don't provide $ for vitamins for the mom) but none for the baby or mom". Ignoring all the stats and claiming someone posting the stats is "making things up" is Disingenuous.


I also showed you the average salary (the article had median salary which is a better stat) is far higher in Ct than many of the red states - higher than the 15K you said you would save by moving.

You're an outlier bc most people aren't in a position where they can have their wives stay home to care for their kids bc of their salary (while making some sacrifices). Same as me where my wife and I could pay our mortgage off in 20 years and never have to borrow $ for cars. Most people can't do that these days. I recognize that, I'm not so sure you do.

How am I making things up when I showed you stats that shows the states that are trying/banning abortion all seem to spend far less $ on babies and the moms? That shows that their philosophy seems to be "show some concern for the fetus (but don't provide $ for vitamins for the mom) but none for the baby or mom". Ignoring all the stats and claiming someone posting the stats is "making things up" is Disingenuous.


I also showed you the average salary (the article had median salary which is a better stat) is far higher in Ct than many of the red states - higher than the 15K you said you would save by moving.

You're an outlier bc most people aren't in a position where they can have their wives stay home to care for their kids bc of their salary (while making some sacrifices). Same as me where my wife and I could pay our mortgage off in 20 years and never have to borrow $ for cars. Most people can't do that these days. I recognize that, I'm not so sure you do.

"hen I worked at Travelers for my first job and they were going to regional offices and my boss was going and asked me to consider it he said you can keep your salary but your raises will be lower"

Then YOU are the outlier.

Even if that's true, if your salary stayed the same but future raises were lower, what's the effect of smaller future raises compared to no income tax and much cheaper college education for your kids?

"How am I making things up when I showed you stats that shows the states that are trying/banning abortion all seem to spend far less $ on babies and the moms?"

You showed that results are different FOR PEOPLE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE. That doesn't mean if I moved to TN, I'm going to eat fried twinkies all day and take meth and stop caring about my kids' education. You're also assuming that the state is the reason for the difference in results. That's a big, big assumption.

Paul, if I wanted the state to take care of me, you're right, I'm better off in CT than I am in FL or TN. But if I want to work hard and be left alone, I'm way better off elsewhere.

This is why CT is losing people like me. CT is great if you're wealthy, and better than the south if you want to live off the state. For people between those two extremes, financially you're WAY better off in a well run red state. Americans are seeing that, and acting on it.

When you make a city or state as attractive as possible for people who don't want to take care of themselves, and as difficult as possible for people who want to be left alone, this is what you get.

You admitted that the only "service" I get in CT that I wouldn't get elsewhere, is better welfare. Well, that's not a reason for me to stay and fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars to the state that I'd get to keep if I moved. And others see the same thing, and are fleeing.

Paul, if I wanted the state to take care of me, you're right, I'm better off in CT than I am in FL or TN. But if I want to work hard and be left alone, I'm way better off elsewhere.Well the difference is that I know many people aren't capable of making it on their own and need help

This is why CT is losing people like me. CT is great if you're wealthy, and better than the south if you want to live off the stateSee you ignore people less fortunate than yourself.. For people between those two extremes, financially you're WAY better off in a well run red state. Americans are seeing that, and acting on it.

When you make a city or state as attractive as possible for people who don't want to take care of themselvesagain, you ignore people who can't "take care of themselves", and as difficult as possible for people who want to be left alone, this is what you get.

You admitted that the only "service" I get in CT that I wouldn't get elsewhere, is better welfare. Well, that's not a reason for me to stay and fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars to the state that I'd get to keep if I moved. And others see the same thing, and are fleeing.
I never admitted any such thing. Ive been steadfast in not discussing one state vs another as you keep trying to do. I'm looking at the country as a whole and posted interesting stats showing that those states who want to do away with abortion seem to not care about the babies and moms after the baby is born. It seems to me there is a common thread in many of the stats posted. Show no concern for people less fortunate as long as the taxes are lower.

CEO of Goldman Sachs said basically same thing as my boss. He said if you're not coming in to NYC don't expect NYC salaries.

CEO of Goldman Sachs said basically same thing as my boss. He said if you're not coming in to NYC don't expect NYC salaries.

i’ve never, not once, heard of an existing employee being forced to take a lower salary because they moved.

People wouldn’t be moving to these states if their salaries got slashed. there’s the proof paul. people are moving because they expect their lives will improve.
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I never admitted any such thing. Ive been steadfast in not discussing one state vs another as you keep trying to do. I'm looking at the country as a whole and posted interesting stats showing that those states who want to do away with abortion seem to not care about the babies and moms after the baby is born. It seems to me there is a common thread in many of the stats posted. Show no concern for people less fortunate as long as the taxes are lower.

if that’s not what you admitted, then tell me what my kids and i get for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in extra taxes i’ll pay in CT over my career. for that amount of money, shouldn’t i expect a lot?? and i can’t think of anything.

oh i get why guy don’t want to discuss states. If i were a liberal, it’s the last thing I’d want to discuss. but looking at states tells a story.

if the people you say are neglected by their state are really neglected, why don’t they move?

some people
make unhealthy or unproductive choices, some people
make better choices, it has very little to do with what the state does.
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if that’s not what you admitted, then tell me what my kids and i get for the hundreds of thousands of solars in extra taxes i’ll pay in CT over my career. for that amount of money, shouldn’t i expect a lot?? and i can’t think of anything.


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you are funding the failed red states where the populations can't compete with the superior blue states and need your handouts to survive...hopefully they will send you some moonshine to show their appreciation....

you are funding the failed red states where the populations can't compete with the superior blue states and need your handouts to survive...hopefully they will send you some moonshine to show their appreciation....

i’m expecting a care package of fried twinkies and meth from those i support in Hollis NH, where you can’t get a house for less than $700k.
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i’m expecting a care package of fried twinkies and meth from those i support in Hollis NH, where you can’t get a house for less than $700k.
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maybe a pair of overalls? :btu:

i’ve never, not once, heard of an existing employee being forced to take a lower salary because they moved.

People wouldn’t be moving to these states if their salaries got slashed. there’s the proof paul. people are moving because they expect their lives will improve.
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Take it up w/the CEO.

if that’s not what you admitted, then tell me what my kids and i get for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in extra taxes i’ll pay in CT over my career. for that amount of money, shouldn’t i expect a lot?? and i can’t think of anything. 100s of K of higher salaries. Look at the median salaries by states

oh i get why guy don’t want to discuss states. If i were a liberal, it’s the last thing I’d want to discuss. but looking at states tells a story. And If I was a cons. the last thing I would want to discuss is any stats showing how bad the conser. states are.

if the people you say are neglected by their state are really neglected, why don’t they move?

some people
make unhealthy or unproductive choices, some people
make better choices, it has very little to do with what the state does.
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Look at the median salaries. Taxes are only one aspect.

Look at the median salaries. Taxes are only one aspect.

"100s of K of higher salaries. Look at the median salaries by states"

You're assuming that salary is due to the state. I can destroy that, by saying, correctly, that huge numbers of people move from CT to cheaper states and keep their same salaries. The CT state government doesn't set median salary in the state.

"And If I was a cons. the last thing I would want to discuss is any stats showing how bad the conser. states are."

Hollis and Brookline (in NH) are bad? Franklin TN is bad? The suburbs of Charlotte (like Fort Mill, SC) are bad?

WDMSO posted a link that said FL had the hottest real estate price growth in the nation. That cannot happen in a bad state.

Rich people from CT who move to FL, don't turn into swamp hillbillies. The state government doesn't influence that. People decide that for themselves.

"Look at the median salaries."

My salary would stay the same. Other people's salary is their concern.

"Taxes are only one aspect."

True. Red states also offer cheaper college, utilities, food, gas, etc. And even if you live in a place with crappy schools (which you don't have to), you can use your tax savings to go to catholic school.

I posted a study from US News and World Report. The public high schools in Franklin TN and Hollis NH were ranked way higher than the public high school in Southington CT where I live. Way, way higher.

What I can get in some red states - Same exact salary, lower taxes, better schools.

Go to a Catholic school, OMG that's funny, better like to play with the priest and be able to take a licking from the nun. The pope was just in Canada on another sh*t we Catholics can't apologize enough tour, the most fu*ked up bunch ever.

Go to a Catholic school, OMG that's funny, better like to play with the priest and be able to take a licking from the nun. The pope was just in Canada on another sh*t we Catholics can't apologize enough tour, the most fu*ked up bunch ever.

right. never mind smaller classes, higher test scores, and no woke liberal bullsh*t. at a far lower price then what public schools spend per pupil.

the catholic K-8 school in my town has 8-10 kids per class, has insane average test scores, and charges about $5200 a year. the public schools in my town have lower test scores, triple the average class size,,and spend $14k per kid


lemme guess from the stupid and bigoted comment of yours, you went to public school. it shows.
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"100s of K of higher salaries. Look at the median salaries by states"

You're assuming that salary is due to the state.Never claimed that once. I can destroy that, by saying, correctly, that huge numbers of people move from CT to cheaper states and keep their same salaries. The CT state government doesn't set median salary in the state.Never claimed that either

"And If I was a cons. the last thing I would want to discuss is any stats showing how bad the conser. states are."

Hollis and Brookline (in NH) are bad? Franklin TN is bad? The suburbs of Charlotte (like Fort Mill, SC) are bad?Never claimed they were. But as an actuary you should be looking at the credible #s (state wide), not outliers.

WDMSO posted a link that said FL had the hottest real estate price growth in the nation. That cannot happen in a bad state.

Rich people from CT who move to FL, don't turn into swamp hillbillies. The state government doesn't influence that. People decide that for themselves.

"Look at the median salaries."

My salary would stay the same. Other people's salary is their concern.Yes, exactly. Only concerned with yourself.
The cons. way. Better for you so who cares about the rest.

"Taxes are only one aspect."

True. Red states also offer cheaper college, utilities, food, gas, etc. And even if you live in a place with crappy schools (which you don't have to), you can use your tax savings to go to catholic school. Again, you ignore median salary stats. while stating I make things up. LOL

I posted a study from US News and World Report. The public high schools in Franklin TN and Hollis NH were ranked way higher than the public high school in Southington CT where I live. Way, way higher. could be. But again as an actuary you should be looking at the credible #s (state wide), not outliers (cities w/in states).

What I can get in some red states - Same exact salary, lower taxes, better schools.

Point out a few outliers in a set and claim that (or try to) is indicative of the whole set. LOL.

right. never mind smaller classes, higher test scores, and no woke liberal bullsh*t. at a far lower price then what public schools spend per pupil.

the catholic K-8 school in my town has 8-10 kids per class, has insane average test scores, and charges about $5200 a year. the public schools in my town have lower test scores, triple the average class size,,and spend $14k per kid


lemme guess from the stupid and bigoted comment of yours, you went to public school. it shows.
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Yup damn good time, played on the varsity tennis, wrestling and soccer teams. The wife who went to Catholic school hated every minute and has commented many times she wished she had access to any kind of sports program. She's got some good (if you like BS and mind torture) stories, you can have your religion buddy, it's perfect for you and clearly you probably have had it drilled (hope not from behind) into you.

Go to a Catholic school, OMG that's funny, better like to play with the priest and be able to take a licking from the nun. The pope was just in Canada on another sh*t we Catholics can't apologize enough tour, the most fu*ked up bunch ever.

Catholic schools are great. If you are amongst the few who can afford them or be lucky enough to get a free ride.

Catholic schools are great. If you are amongst the few who can afford them or be lucky enough to get a free ride.

and if more states had taxes like NH or FL, would that increase or decrease the number of people
who could afford them?

how about school
choice? does that increase or decrease the number of people
who could afford them?

if your blue states care so much about lifting people out of poverty, why do they oppose school choice? why forced those kids to be stuck in failing schools?
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Point out a few outliers in a set and claim that (or try to) is indicative of the whole set. LOL.

i never ever said all towns in all
red states were great. LOL. i said there are terrible places in red states. So even you will employ the tired liberal tactic of responding to something that i never came close to saying.

here’s what i said.

There are some towns in america that offer a very high quality of life with very low taxes. And from what i can tell, all of them are in red states

They may be outliers, those nice suburbs in red states, but that’s where people are moving.

Paul, if there are any beautiful suburbs in blue states that have super low taxes, can you list some please? or are all such places in red states?

If certain places can offer a high quality of life at an affordable price, isn’t it possible they are doing something right? isnt it possible they’re doing something that maybe we should replicate and expand on?

CT is also an outlier because of fairfield county. doesn’t stop you from saying the whole state is represented by the data from greenwich and westport.
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i never ever said all towns in all
red states were great. LOL. I never said you did.
LOL. So stop lying, i said there are terrible places in red states. So even you will employ the tired liberal tactic of responding to something that i never came close to saying. And I never claimed that all blue states are better than all red states but I'm not the one who is constantly trying to discuss outliers instead of ignoring the much larger set (states)


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And you continue to try to employ the tired cons. tactic of basically saying "it is better for me" while ignoring everyone else.

and if more states had taxes like NH or FL, would that increase or decrease the number of people
who could afford them?

how about school
choice? does that increase or decrease the number of people
who could afford them?

if your blue states care so much about lifting people out of poverty, why do they oppose school choice? why forced those kids to be stuck in failing schools?
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How about we try to make our public schools better instead of giving some $ to people who can use that to subsidize non public schools while taking funds away from public schools. Maybe we can go back to the segregation academies that were so common in the south after Brown v BOE.

How about we try to make our public schools better instead of giving some $ to people who can use that to subsidize non public schools while taking funds away from public schools. Maybe we can go back to the segregation academies that were so common in the south after Brown v BOE.


sure we can try to change/improve public schools, but teachers unions make that practically impossible. Liberals tend to think that “improve” means, spend more money. Catholic schools are concrete proof that student performance isn’t correlated with spending, especially when all the spending goes to teacher benefits that have nothing to do with student performance

Paul, i’m pretty sure i’ve heard liberals describe themselves as pro choice. why not offer the choice? if you’re pro choice, you should
support school choice.

how the heck do you go from school
choice to segregated schools? poor black people
desperately want school choice. why would they ask for crappy segregated schools? are you saying that the darkies are too stupid to know what’s best for their kids?

good lord your are a smug elitist when you want to be.
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sure we can try to change/improve public schools, but teachers unions make that practically impossible. Liberals tend to think that “improve” means, spend more money. Catholic schools are concrete proof that student performance isn’t correlated with spending, especially when all the spending goes to teacher benefits that have nothing to do with student performanceYou don't think the type of people who send their students to Catholic schools are different than the general public? Aren't they more involved in their children's schooling than many who don't send their kids to Catholic schools?

Paul, i’m pretty sure i’ve heard liberals describe themselves as pro choice. why not offer the choice? if you’re pro choice, you should
support school choice. Not even close. Don't conserv. say they believe in personal freedom (until they don't believe that)?

how the heck do you go from school
choice to segregated schools? poor black people
desperately want school choice. why would they ask for crappy segregated schools? are you saying that the darkies LOLare too stupid to know what’s best for their kids? But isn't that what you constantly say about inner city blacks? That they are "too stupid" to understand that the Dems. try to hook them on aid so they will vote for the Dems. ?
Isn't that a racist belief?

good lord your are a smug elitist when you want to be.
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Go fu ck yourself. You can't help but insult people.

Typical cons. What is good for me while ignoring everyone else.

Go fu ck yourself. You can't help but insult people.

Typical cons. What is good for me while ignoring everyone else.

typical smug elitist...we'll send you some moonshine and overalls to show appreciation, you don't want to be wearing skinny jeans and drinking a latte if you visit a red state, you saw Deliverance...right? :btu:

I was wondering when you would come back w/a snarky comment. Such a bad look on a grown man.

I've visited lot of red states. Been to brentwood TN 3 - 4 times (one of Jim's favorites I believe). TN Titan games were fun. Had a great time each time.

Go fu ck yourself. You can't help but insult people.

Typical cons. What is good for me while ignoring everyone else.

was it me (!who can’t help insulting people), or was it you ( who would never do such a thing) who said people are moving to red states because they can’t compete in blue states?

Get over yourself.
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typical smug elitist...we'll send you some moonshine and overalls to show appreciation, you don't want to be wearing skinny jeans and drinking a latte if you visit a red state, you saw Deliverance...right? :btu:

my brother owned his own company in Litchfield CT. 15 years ago, i helped him figure out what he’d save by moving the family and the business to TN. It was over $3,000 a month in his pocket, so he moved to a spectacular Nashville suburb called Franklin. Beautiful small town to raise a family. I’m not saying I’d want to raise my kids in downtown Memphis ( nor would I want to do it in Hartford) but Franklin TN is as nice as any upper middle class suburb in CT. at nowhere near the cost. same with Hollis NH, Fort Mill SC, many other places.
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was it me (!who can’t help insulting people), or was it you ( who would never do such a thing) who said people are moving to red states because they can’t compete in blue states?

Get over yourself.
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That's not a personal insult you dumb f***
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Left to their own devices Red states will decimate public education
To start
Welcome to DeSantisstan where former servicemembdrs and their spouses can teach on a certificate: “She was a waitress. She starts teaching 3rd grade next week & the only thing she had to do to get this teaching certification was to observe certified teachers…she had to ask me what I meant by phonetic spelling.

Texas short 3000 teachers
Remember when y’all told all the teachers they should quit if they didn’t like the crappy pay and public hate? They took your advice..

the GOP's goal is to destroy public education and replace it with gated private schools for the elite, religious indoctrination for the middle class and child labor for the children of the poor. Loading the public schools with incompetent teachers advances that goal.
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That's not a personal insult you dumb f***
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oh, of course not. maybe it wasn’t aimed at me directly paul, but it was smug and elitist. sorry if saying so, triggered you.

Lucky for you that you live in CT, lots of safe spaces where you can curl up with your blanky and suck you’re thumb and watch The View until you feel better.
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Left to their own devices Red states will decimate public education
To start
Welcome to DeSantisstan where former servicemembdrs and their spouses can teach on a certificate: “She was a waitress. She starts teaching 3rd grade next week & the only thing she had to do to get this teaching certification was to observe certified teachers…she had to ask me what I meant by phonetic spelling.

Texas short 3000 teachers
Remember when y’all told all the teachers they should quit if they didn’t like the crappy pay and public hate? They took your advice..

the GOP's goal is to destroy public education and replace it with gated private schools for the elite, religious indoctrination for the middle class and child labor for the children of the poor. Loading the public schools with incompetent teachers advances that goal.
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i posted that the public high schools in Hollis NH and Franklin TN were ranked much higher than the public school in the nice CT suburb where i live.

No one who lives in those places, , is worried that the state is going to ruin the public schools.

let me get this straight. The GOP, the ones who support school
choice for poor kids, secretly want to take poor kids out of school
entirely and make them
slaves?

you’re saying the gop caters to the wealthy, yet you also say the GOP is the hime to the trashy poor. which is it?

you should publish a newsletter. I bet David Hinkley would subscribe.
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oh, of course not. maybe it wasn’t aimed at me directly paul, but it was smug and elitist. sorry if saying so, triggered you.

Lucky for you that you live in CT, lots of safe spaces where you can curl up with your blanky and suck you’re thumb and watch The View until you feel better.
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I'm not triggered I just don't take your constant rudeness and classlessness.

See you can't help yourself.

Save the fetus, but Fu*k our veterans who had to burn our war debris, republicans really are pathetic.

Save the fetus, but Fu*k our veterans who had to burn our war debris, republicans really are pathetic.

Don’t for get The Dear leader

claiming 'nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11'
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Save the fetus, but Fu*k our veterans who had to burn our war debris, republicans really are pathetic.

democrats care more about vets?

sure. tell me more please.
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democrats care more about vets?

sure. tell me more please.
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No I’d rather see you explain why Moscow Mitch has killed this bill, let’s focus on this bill and not whataboutism Jim.

i posted that the public high schools in Hollis NH and Franklin TN were ranked much higher than the public school in the nice CT suburb where i live.

No one who lives in those places, , is worried that the state is going to ruin the public schools.

let me get this straight. The GOP, the ones who support school
choice for poor kids, secretly want to take poor kids out of school
entirely and make them
slaves?

you’re saying the gop caters to the wealthy, yet you also say the GOP is the hime to the trashy poor. which is it?

you should publish a newsletter. I bet David Hinkley would subscribe.
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Silly girl, I didn’t say that and you know that.

Floriduh is certifying incompetent people to teach
Texas is short thousands of competent teachers

the GOP's goal is to destroy public education and replace it with gated private schools for the elite, religious indoctrination for the middle class and child labor for the children of the poor. Loading the public schools with incompetent teachers advances that goal.
I wouldn’t be upset if David Hinkley subscribed, I’m sure John Hinkley is enthralled with his subscription to your feed.
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the GOP's goal is to destroy public education and replace it with gated private schools for the elite, religious indoctrination for the middle class and child labor for the children of the poor.

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they probably won't even allow drag queens in to dance for first graders....:huh:

No I’d rather see you explain why Moscow Mitch has killed this bill, let’s focus on this bill and not whataboutism Jim.

i don’t know what bill you’re talking about. sorry.
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Silly girl, I didn’t say that and you know that.

Floriduh is certifying incompetent people to teach
Texas is short thousands of competent teachers

the GOP's goal is to destroy public education and replace it with gated private schools for the elite, religious indoctrination for the middle class and child labor for the children of the poor. Loading the public schools with incompetent teachers advances that goal.
I wouldn’t be upset if David Hinkley subscribed, I’m sure John Hinkley is enthralled with his subscription to your feed.
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you posted that the gop wants to destroy public schools. i posted several
right leaning places that have terrific public schools according to US News and World Report.

You made it up. And we all know it.
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you posted that the gop wants to destroy public schools. i posted several
right leaning places that have terrific public schools according to US News and World Report.

You made it up. And we all know it.
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New Hampshire doesn’t fit that category
Floriduh isn’t in it
Give them time, the Supreme Theocratic Court can’t do it all in one term.
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New Hampshire doesn’t fit that category
Floriduh isn’t in it
Give them time, the Supreme Theocratic Court can’t do it all in one term.
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I also listed TN, jackass. is TN not a red state?

supreme theocratic court. you just don’t get it. I’ve been opposed to slaughtering babies longer than i’ve been a catholic. one isn’t connected to the other.

Abortion isn’t in the constitution. nor is privacy. therefore those are state issues, as long as states don’t decide them in ways that violate the constitution. There’s no religion whatsoever in that thought process, just a rational and honest consideration of what’s in the constitution, and what’s not in the constitution.

sticking to what’s in the constitution, is the best way to safeguard freedoms. If you’re ok with liberals bending it to fit their personal causes, then you’d better be ok with conservatives also doing the same when they are in power

Best to let us, the people, decide through our elected officials.

Problem is, the court had been liberal for 50 years and you never considered the possibility of that changing, let alone changed single handedly by someone you’re deranged with hate for.


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The Supreme Court of the Theocracy decided to outlaw abortion

In his Rome speech on religious liberty, Justice Alito mocked "foreign leaders" who condemned his opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, including Boris Johnson, Macron, Trudeau, and ... Prince Harry.

Of Boris, Alito quipped: "He paid the price."

It’s clear that Alito has a lot of ego wrapped up in his authorship of the Dobbs opinion. Which underscores that it wasn’t an objective, dispassionate application of the law.

Who would have guessed?
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The Supreme Court of the Theocracy decided to outlaw abortion


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Wrong. Lie.

They decided that it's a state issue. The Supreme Court didn't even come close to outlawing abortion.

Wrong. Lie.

They decided that it's a state issue. The Supreme Court didn't even come close to outlawing abortion.

Wrong. Lie.
The extreme right wing Supreme Court decided to throw out a decades old decision based on religious reasons.
Alito said as much in Rome.
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Wrong. Lie.
The extreme right wing Supreme Court decided to throw out a decades old decision based on religious reasons.
Alito said as much in Rome.
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They didn't decree that anything was illegal. Nothing.

And Ruth Bader Ginsberg had also said that the Roe decision was flawed (nothing to do with religion, just that it was a bad legal ruling). But it's OK when she says it.

There's nothing religious about wanting unelected judges to stick to their oath and abide by the constitution. That's a secular argument, not a religious one.

Samuel Alito: Top US judge mocks world leaders over abortion ruling


"I had the honour this term of writing I think the only supreme court decision in the history of that institution that has been lambasted by a whole string of foreign leaders who felt perfectly fine commenting on American law," Mr Alito said.

"One of these was Boris Johnson, but he paid the price,"

HOW so?


Referring to religious liberty, he said it was "under attack in many places because it is dangerous to those who want to hold complete power".

the old christians are being attacked for their faith MANTA :sleeps:


Yep just another example the ruling had nothing to do with Mans Law

But he ruled for God's law

Samuel Alito: Top US judge mocks world leaders over abortion ruling


"I had the honour this term of writing I think the only supreme court decision in the history of that institution that has been lambasted by a whole string of foreign leaders who felt perfectly fine commenting on American law," Mr Alito said.

"One of these was Boris Johnson, but he paid the price,"

HOW so?


Referring to religious liberty, he said it was "under attack in many places because it is dangerous to those who want to hold complete power".

the old christians are being attacked for their faith MANTA :sleeps:


Yep just another example the ruling had nothing to do with Mans Law

But he ruled for God's law

religious liberty, and the question of whether abortion is in the constitution, are different.
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Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito decried what he called “hostility to religion,” as he made his first public remarks since the release of his opinion overturning the constitutional right to abortion.
The hostility toward religion comes from people who are tired of having someone else’s religious beliefs forced upon them. Religious freedom is 100% protected in this country but that doesn’t mean you can legally impose it on others, though the radical SCOTUS & GOP do it anyway.
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“we need to prove to people we are the party of Christian Nationalism.” Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene

“We are the party of Islamic nationalism…” Taliban.

I oppose the American Taliban.
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A consultant to Doug Mastriano, the Republican nominee for governor in PA, says that he doesn't want Ben Shapiro (and other Jews) in his movement unless they “repent” and renounce their Jewish faith.

This is what Christian nationalism looks like.
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Save the fetus, but Fu*k our veterans who had to burn our war debris, republicans really are pathetic.

Yup, R Senators where seen fist bumping each other after the vote.

I'm not sure that holding up the PACT Act for legislative revenge is the winning play the GOP conference thinks it is.
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Save the fetus, but Fu*k our veterans who had to burn our war debris, republicans really are pathetic.

A five time draft dodger who attacked a POW, degraded a Gold Star family, accused a grieving military widow of lying & called the fallen heroes of war “suckers” and losers” is the de facto leader of the Republican Party.
Is it any surprise they turned their backs on our veterans?
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A five time draft dodger who attacked a POW, degraded a Gold Star family, accused a grieving military widow of lying & called the fallen heroes of war “suckers” and losers” is the de facto leader of the Republican Party.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ojUmdF42U

Scott, I was worried something happened to you. You've missed a few typos.

If you judge Republicans by their words, they’re horrible.

If you judge them by their actions, they’re even worse.
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If you judge Republicans by their words, they’re horrible.

If you judge them by their actions, they’re even worse.
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you should write a coffee table book:)

you should write a coffee table book:)

kind of hard when you’re wearing a straight jacket.
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kind of hard when you’re wearing a straight jacket.
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Are you speaking from experience?
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NO is gonna win in Kansas.

This is a political earthquake. Roe woke up a giant.

Complete game-changer heading into the midterms.

They tried every dirty trick in the book. It didn't help.

“Let the states decide.”

…5 weeks later…

“No, that’s not what we meant!l!”
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Georgia residents can now claim embryos as dependents on their tax returns, after the state banned most abortions.

Wow talk about bribery. Why else would GA do this ? They could have have done this prior to Roe being overturned
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NO is gonna win in Kansas.

This is a political earthquake. Roe woke up a giant.

Complete game-changer heading into the midterms.

They tried every dirty trick in the book. It didn't help.

“Let the states decide.”

…5 weeks later…

“No, that’s not what we meant!l!”
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Even their plan to keep the vote off the General election ballot failed

You won’t see red states putting abortion on the ballot anytime soon
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Hoping that turnout by women saying FU for thinking you can take my rights away transfers to the midterms and even 24. Kansas is as red as red gets and women turned out in big numbers, could be the Row decision comes back to bite the GOP.

Hoping that turnout by women saying FU for thinking you can take my rights away transfers to the midterms and even 24. Kansas is as red as red gets and women turned out in big numbers, could be the Row decision comes back to bite the GOP.

yup. great sign for the left, sincerely. going to be a fascinating midterm.
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Make no mistake, the anti-choice movement is going to look at what happened in Kansas and decide that their best path to criminalize abortion is a federal ban.

That’s what they’re planning, and that's what's on the ballot this November.
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I believe the GOP has started to experience the “find out” portion of the program
Cecile Richards said that 20% of the ballots in Kansas had no votes cast for anything other than the Abortion issue.....
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IN state Rep. Davisson (R) argues for requiring forced birth of non-viable fetuses.

Asked what he would tell children of a mother going through pregnancy resulting in stillbirth: "[None] of us are guaranteed tomorrow. We must accept death as a consequence of life."
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IF indeed the Catholic Church gave $3mil to defeat the Kansas referendum then the Church needs to be taxed. They have forfeited the right to not pay taxes. They have become directly political. Tax them.
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Eli Lilly and cummins both major Employers in Indiana said they will start hiring more people outside of Indiana because of the abortion ban.
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abortion saves greedy corporations a lot of money.....maternity/paternity leave and replacing those workers during that time is expensive

Don't worry, Indiana has that covered. I don't think they offer parental leave.

Don't worry, Indiana has that covered. I don't think they offer parental leave.

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. – Eli Lilly made significant changes to parental leave benefits for its employees.

New mothers, fathers, adoptive and foster parents will now be able to take 10 weeks off from work without missing a paycheck.

A birth mother will also have 8 weeks of paid leave for physical recovery for a total of 18 paid weeks. In addition, all new parents may take 10 weeks of unpaid leave.

The new program takes effect Jan. 1, 2019.


Cummins Maternity & Paternity Leave
12 weeks paid for primary parent, 6 weeks for secondary parent.

Snarky one those aren't State mandated
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Snarky one those aren't State mandated
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who cares?

who cares?

If you don't care, why did you comment. Cant you control yourself?
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If you don't care, why did you comment. Cant you control yourself?
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who cares whether the maternity/paternity leave is mandated by the state or not? the companies you mentioned both offer it....

It shows that certain States are concerned with the fetus but don't care about the baby.
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It shows that certain States are concerned with the fetus but don't care about the baby.
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you'd think they'd figure out if the just kill the baby in the womb they wouldn't have to not care about the baby after it's born....

bluestatesarebetter.com

It shows that certain States are concerned with the fetus but don't care about the baby.
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I suspect the "certain states" you attribute this comment to believe the fetus is a baby.....


I've never heard a pregnant mom refer to the baby inside her as a fetus, though I've been hearing "certain leftists" insisting recently that a baby in the womb is not a baby, maybe this is the plan to change yet another definition.....pete doesn't even consider it life....sooooooo

you'd think they'd figure out if the just kill the baby in the womb they wouldn't have to not care about the baby after it's born....

bluestatesarebetter.com

Critical thinking may not be their strong suit probably due to the underfunded education system they grew up in. They obviously haven't figured out if they don't have the taxes they can't improve their citizens Health and Welfare.
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I suspect the "certain states" you attribute this comment to believe the fetus is a baby.....


I've never heard a pregnant mom refer to the baby inside her as a fetus, though I've been hearing "certain leftists" insisting recently that a baby in the womb is not a baby, maybe this is the plan to change yet another definition.....pete doesn't even consider it life....sooooooo

Sooooooo

Would I prefer an 80% chance of being born and having 100% chance of being a full citizen with rights, or a 100% chance of being born and a 50% chance of having rights?

It's not hard when you look at it that way.
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Critical thinking may not be their strong suit probably due to the underfunded education system they grew up in. They obviously haven't figured out if they don't have the taxes they can't improve their citizens Health and Welfare.
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definitely....

Sooooooo

Would I prefer an 80% chance of being born and having 100% chance of being a full citizen with rights, or a 100% chance of being born and a 50% chance of having rights?

It's not hard when you look at it that way.
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be grateful you were born and are able to have an opinion:kewl:

be grateful you were born and are able to have an opinion:kewl:

Well, since you seem to assume all sperm need a life, if you did not know WHETHER you would be conceived, would you support laws against rape, even if they would make your conception less likely?
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Well, since you seem to assume all sperm need a life,

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you need mental help....

you need mental help....

I’m fine, but it’s nice of you to care.
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The Indiana legislature banned abortion because if the Indiana people were allowed to vote, they would've pulled a Kansas.
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The Indiana legislature banned abortion because if the Indiana people were allowed to vote, they would've pulled a Kansas.
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"Abortion will soon be banned in the state, but there are some exceptions"

it's not really a ban if there are exceptions....right?

"Abortion will soon be banned in the state, but there are some exceptions"

it's not really a ban if there are exceptions....right?

The only exceptions are rape, incest, life/health of the mother. Many wanted a complete ban. You can be sure that Republicans will traumatize everyone involved each time there’s an exception.

So now domestic violence is a misdemeanor in Indiana but getting an abortion is now a Class 5 felony.



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