Melting glaciers in the Alps are on track for their highest mass losses in at least 60 years, according to data



https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-62466095


Climate Deniers in the 117th Congress
There are 139 elected officials in the 117th Congress who still deny the scientific consensus of human-caused climate change.

take a guess Who :faga:

Of all of our political divides, the fact that one party votes unanimously to address the climate crisis and one votes unanimously to do nothing might be the most jaw dropping for future generations (as it is to many who are here right now).
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just cancelled my skiing plans...

Well it’s signed and I loved how Biden trashed the party who denies climate change is even real, the party that passes legislation for the upper crust, time for Fox and friends (Jim and Scott) to spin away.

Well it’s signed and I loved how Biden trashed the party who denies climate change is even real, the party that passes legislation for the upper crust, time for Fox and friends (Jim and Scott) to spin away.

I thought of you when I heard this climate activist story :jester:


French activists fill golf holes with cement to protest watering exemptions during drought
By Reuters
August 14, 2022

I thought of you when I heard this climate activist story :jester:


French activists fill golf holes with cement to protest watering exemptions during drought
By Reuters
August 14, 2022

Well I don’t own a golf course, but if you want to become an activist instead a snarky one liner, go start a movement. Let me spin this attempt in another direction. My course and every other likely pays for water and the public playing are getting exercise and are healthier for it. Now let’s look at some other sports and obscene salaries, fueled by what, oh yeah corporate greed. Put half of that money to fuel technology to move water around this country. Every year the same parts have historic flooding, while other parts of the country suffer historic droughts and fires.

Well I don’t own a golf course, but if you want to become an activist instead a snarky one liner, go start a movement. Let me spin this attempt in another direction. My course and every other likely pays for water and the public playing are getting exercise and are healthier for it. Now let’s look at some other sports and obscene salaries, fueled by what, oh yeah corporate greed. Put half of that money to fuel technology to move water around this country. Every year the same parts have historic flooding, while other parts of the country suffer historic droughts and fires.

that's the response I expected....nice goin" D+

that's the response I expected....nice goin" D+

If Scott grades you D+, we all know it’s probably the opposite, or he just can’t consider in a country with so little water in so many places and so much yearly in others it could be time to put our engineering degrees to good work. Americans might prefer that instead of exploring space or spending obscene money to pay overpaid spoiled professional athletes.

If Scott grades you D+, we all know it’s probably the opposite,



probably:D

Germany's five alpine glaciers could disappear within 50 years, according to glaciologist Christoph Mayer.

The high temperatures and low rainfall this year have made it hard for the glaciers to stay frozen.

I wont be around so maybe I should just just :grins:

Germany's five alpine glaciers could disappear within 50 years, according to glaciologist Christoph Mayer.

The high temperatures and low rainfall this year have made it hard for the glaciers to stay frozen.

I wont be around so maybe I should just just :grins:

hope you put your order in for your electric vehicle, solar panels and windmill:call:

hope you put your order in for your electric vehicle, solar panels and windmill:call:

Surely this will help.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/22/steven-spielbergs-private-jet-has-burned-116000-worth-of-jet-fuel-in-two-months/

Surely this will help.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/22/steven-spielbergs-private-jet-has-burned-116000-worth-of-jet-fuel-in-two-months/


Spoken like a true sheep

Bill Gates pledged to transfer an additional $20 billion of his personal wealth to his philanthropic foundation, in an effort to support causes such as reducing child deaths, managing climate change and preventing future pandemics.
The funds mean the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, named after the billionaire and his ex-wife, will disburse $9 billion annually by 2026, up from about $6 billion today.
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Spoken like a true sheep

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can sheep be in cults?

can sheep be in cults?

Walker, criticizing climate law, asks: ‘Don’t we have enough trees around here?’

Georgia Republican Senate nominee Herschel Walker is criticizing the sweeping climate, health-care and deficit-reduction bill signed into law by President Biden, arguing that it includes wasteful spending to combat global warming and asking, “Don’t we have enough trees around here?”

Are you and Jim his climate advisers ?
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Georgia Republican Senate nominee Herschel Walker is criticizing the sweeping climate, health-care and deficit-reduction bill signed into law by President Biden, arguing that it includes wasteful spending to combat global warming and asking, “Don’t we have enough trees around here?”


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probably doesn't matter because AOC said they'll all be dead in a few years anyway.....

ThE HILL Ocasio-Cortez: ‘World will end in 12 years’ if climate change not addressed
BY JOHN BOWDEN - 01/22/19

Spoken like a true sheep

Bill Gates pledged to transfer an additional $20 billion of his personal wealth to his philanthropic foundation, in an effort to support causes such as reducing child deaths, managing climate change and preventing future pandemics.
The funds mean the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, named after the billionaire and his ex-wife, will disburse $9 billion annually by 2026, up from about $6 billion today.
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so what?

look at our climate czar. WhTs his carbon footprint? If he believes what he claims to believe, wouldn’t he be living the way he tells us to live? He obviously doesn’t believe what he says he believes.

Sheep? I’m a sheep? i’ve got both sides of my roof covered in solar panels and i have a Nissan Leaf that i use whenever i’m driving short distances by myself. What do you got?


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i’ve got both sides of my roof covered in solar panels and i have a Nissan Leaf that i use whenever i’m driving short distances by myself. What do you got?


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they've got fossil fuel powered cars, trucks, boats and power tools and homes but they are deeply concerned that others are destroying our environment :heybaby:

so what?

look at our climate czar. WhTs his carbon footprint? If he believes what he claims to believe, wouldn’t he be living the way he tells us to live? He obviously doesn’t believe what he says he believes.

Sheep? I’m a sheep? i’ve got both sides of my roof covered in solar panels and i have a Nissan Leaf that i use whenever i’m driving short distances by myself. What do you got?


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So what . classic response

Just pointing the usual cherry picking from conservatives. Who ignore the billions spent on making the world a better place . But omg he spent x on fuel and he’s a liberal who hates climate change

That’s the sheep you run with

sheep? i’ve got both sides of my roof covered in solar panels and i have a Nissan Leaf that i use whenever i’m driving short distances by myself.

Or the only reason you even respond is so you can think your owing the libs…

Because outside you and Scott’s virtue signaling . Actually talking about the issue is replaced with the usual wash rinse and repeat .one liners

Ps I own no solar panels nor own an electric car . But I do own an electric toaster. My electric bill is I would guess is less then your monthly lease payment or monthly bill if you own them outright . And my gas KiA and Truck get little usage seeing I am retired.. so in a nutshell I am spending less on gas and electric to make either choice financial beneficial. But still have a well insulated home windows and energy star appliances lights and heating and get my electric from renewable sources via my power company

But hey if you think the only way to show you’re serious about the environment is solar panels and electric cars .. your missing the big picture
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So what . classic response

Just pointing the usual cherry picking from conservatives. Who ignore the billions spent on making the world a better place . But omg he spent x on fuel and he’s a liberal who hates climate change

That’s the sheep you run with

sheep? i’ve got both sides of my roof covered in solar panels and i have a Nissan Leaf that i use whenever i’m driving short distances by myself.

Or the only reason you even respond is so you can think your owing the libs…

Because outside you and Scott’s virtue signaling . Actually talking about the issue is replaced with the usual wash rinse and repeat .one liners

Ps I own no solar panels nor own an electric car . But I do own an electric toaster. My electric bill is I would guess is less then your monthly lease payment or monthly bill if you own them outright . And my gas KiA and Truck get little usage seeing I am retired.. so in a nutshell I am spending less on gas and electric to make either choice financial beneficial. But still have a well insulated home windows and energy star appliances lights and heating and get my electric from renewable sources via my power company

But hey if you think the only way to show you’re serious about the environment is solar panels and electric cars .. your missing the big picture
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it’s “cherry picking” to point out that the founder of this movement ( Al Gore) and the current climate change czar ( John Kerry) as well as many prominent spokespeople
like Spielberg and Dicaprio, clearly don’t believe what they claim to believe? there’s no validity in pointing that out?

Sorry wdmso, if the president of PETA is eating burgers at 5 Guys every night wearing a mink coat, , then there’s no reason to listen to what they have to say on the subject.
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it’s “cherry picking” to point out that the founder of this movement ( Al Gore) and the current climate change czar ( John Kerry) as well as many prominent spokespeople
like Spielberg and Dicaprio, clearly don’t believe what they claim to believe? there’s no validity in pointing that out?

Sorry wdmso, if the president of PETA is eating burgers at 5 Guys every night wearing a mink coat, , then there’s no reason to listen to what they have to say on the subject.
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Yep it’s cherry picking Jim a well honed skill of those who can’t see the forest Tru the Trees ..

Spielberg and Dicaprio, clearly don’t believe what they claim to believe? there’s no validity in pointing that out?

To bad you can’t apply the same logic to those you follow . Then maybe you could have some validity to point that out

Fyi. DiCaprio has worked to bring attention and funding to the protection of biodiversity, ocean and forest conservation, and climate change. The Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation supports over 35 innovative conservation projects around the world that protect fragile ecosystems and key species.

You have a leaf and solar panels..

But but Leonardo is the hypocrite
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Ps I own no solar panels nor own an electric car . But I do own an electric toaster.

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good start...great job!!! :rotflmao:

Jim there’s a name for what you do

hypocrisy discourse.

Conservatives who reject climate change action tend to use two “modes” of hypocrisy discourse. The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists to undermine the urgency and moral need for climate change action. The second, an “institutional cynicism” mode, encourages a cynical fatalism about any proposed governmental action regarding climate change by suggesting that governments are necessarily climate hypocrites because of the economic and political impossibility of serious emissions reductions. In contrast,
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Jim there’s a name for what you do

hypocrisy discourse.

Conservatives who reject climate change action tend to use two “modes” of hypocrisy discourse. The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists to undermine the urgency and moral need for climate change action. The second, an “institutional cynicism” mode, encourages a cynical fatalism about any proposed governmental action regarding climate change by suggesting that governments are necessarily climate hypocrites because of the economic and political impossibility of serious emissions reductions. In contrast,
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it's always fun when it "Wayne's new word day"

Jim there’s a name for what you do

hypocrisy discourse.

Conservatives who reject climate change action tend to use two “modes” of hypocrisy discourse. The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists to undermine the urgency and moral need for climate change action. The second, an “institutional cynicism” mode, encourages a cynical fatalism about any proposed governmental action regarding climate change by suggesting that governments are necessarily climate hypocrites because of the economic and political impossibility of serious emissions reductions. In contrast,
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i don’t reject climate change action. i spend more time on the water and deep in the woods than most, i want healthy and clean ecosystems and have a deep love of wild animals.

What i don’t want, is a lecture from anyone who voluntarily chooses to live in such wealth and extravagance that he has the carbon footprint of a small country.

Lead by example, or shut the hell up. The only thing Al Gore has unplugged in the last 25 years is his treadmill. I’m not interested in what he has to say. But you suck it up like a Hoover deluxe because he has a (D) after his name..
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i don’t reject climate change action. i spend more time on the water and deep in the woods than most, i want healthy and clean ecosystems and have a deep love of wild animals.

What i don’t want, is a lecture from anyone who voluntarily chooses to live in such wealth and extravagance that he has the carbon footprint of a small country.

Lead by example, or shut the hell up. The only thing Al Gore has unplugged in the last 25 years is his treadmill. I’m not interested in what he has to say. But you suck it up like a Hoover deluxe because he has a (D) after his name..
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Did you even read it. Because you applied it perfectly

The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists


Can you name. Conservatives climate activist?
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This must be Jim’s source of his outrage

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/climate-hypocrites-are-all-tell-no-show


Fortunately, you can ignore the performative virtue-signaling of these preening narcissists — both the politicians and the celebrities. The solutions to carbon emissions are already with us. If the planet is really in peril, then it's worth keeping all those dams and nuclear reactors in operation, and building new ones besides. Even a carbon-spewing electric Hummer becomes green if it's powered by good old nuclear. And fusion reactors are on the horizon, too.

Nuclear wow how original
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Did you even read it. Because you applied it perfectly

The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists


Can you name. Conservatives climate activist?
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conservatives want a healthy environment. we aren’t going to be told to take the bus, by people
who fly private jets. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.
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Did you even read it. Because you applied it perfectly

The first is an “individual lifestyle outrage” mode that cultivates outrage about the hypocritical behavior and lifestyle choices of climate activists


Can you name. Conservatives climate activist?
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conservatives want a healthy environment. we aren’t going to be told to take the bus, by people
who fly private jets. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.

wayne, if we all get electric cars, where does all that additional
needed electricity come from? do you think wind and solar can generate it?
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conservatives want a healthy environment. we aren’t going to be told to take the bus, by people
who fly private jets. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.

wayne, if we all get electric cars, where does all that additional
needed electricity come from? do you think wind and solar can generate it?
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You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

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here is an article regarding the shuttering of your plant...Conservation Law Foundation and it's Allies take credit for the closing....it mentions what will they believe replace coal...."wind and solar and efficiency"...what are the others you speak of? https://www.clf.org/blog/brayton-point-power-plant-shuts-down/
they are apparently not a fan of natural gas and is looks like worldwide we have only about 50 years of supply at current consumption levels anyway so that's not a long term solution and not a renewable

I read that about 1/3rd of 1% of the cars on the road currently are electric....

google..."electricity shortage"

here is an article regarding the shuttering of your plant...Conservation Law Foundation and it's Allies take credit for the closing....it mentions what will they believe replace coal...."wind and solar and efficiency"...what are the others you speak of? https://www.clf.org/blog/brayton-point-power-plant-shuts-down/
they are apparently not a fan of natural gas and is looks like worldwide we have only about 50 years of supply at current consumption levels anyway so that's not a long term solution and not a renewable

I read that about 1/3rd of 1% of the cars on the road currently are electric....

google..."electricity shortage"

Poor troll, 100 years ago electrical power was nonexistent outside of towns, in the following 30 years almost all Americans had electricity.
Google….”change”
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You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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who says i’m waiting for one big
idea fix everything?

you make tons of assumptions. very few are accurate or correct.
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here is an article regarding the shuttering of your plant...Conservation Law Foundation and it's Allies take credit for the closing....it mentions what will they believe replace coal...."wind and solar and efficiency"...what are the others you speak of? https://www.clf.org/blog/brayton-point-power-plant-shuts-down/
they are apparently not a fan of natural gas and is looks like worldwide we have only about 50 years of supply at current consumption levels anyway so that's not a long term solution and not a renewable

I read that about 1/3rd of 1% of the cars on the road currently are electric....

google..."electricity shortage"

Wow They took credit.. yep trying to reduce a know pollution producer who built and spent millions on cooling towers because the destruction of the Bay

But truth is

In 2014, Dominion sold Brayton Point to the private equity firm Energy Capital Partners. The company, based in New Jersey but incorporated in the Cayman Islands, bought the plant and two others for less than half the price Dominion paid for the environmental improvements.

And then, just six weeks after the deal closed


Energy Capital Partners deliberately manipulated the wholesale market for electricity, single-handedly turning the region's energy supply from a surplus to a deficit.

"Their whole plan was to buy Brayton Point so that they could prematurely close it in order to create an artificial shortage to drive prices up," he explained. "Prices went up by more than a billion dollars — a huge price increase — all to be paid for by New England ratepayers. It's exactly what Enron did."


But please keep blaming environmentalists
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You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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believe me, I understand that additional electricity won’t come from just wind and solar. That's precisely why I asked you where it would come from, and you wouldn’t. answer. how come? if you have no idea, and clearly you don’t, why are you advocating for switching to more electricity?

I’m convinced that many liberals thing that batteries generate their own electricity.

Are we all supposed to walk around rubbing balloons on our heads all day? the left is opposed to coal, adamantly opposed to nuclear ( by far the most realistic and least environmentally intrusive option), maybe hugs and unicorns will power all those electric cars that are coming.

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classic.....

CALIFORNIA (WTVO)California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
by: John Clark
Posted: Aug 31, 2022

Well, horse and buggy is green
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classic.....

CALIFORNIA (WTVO)California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
by: John Clark
Posted: Aug 31, 2022

But of course you left out the reason why. Imagine that .Such honesty

So you think this event isn’t related to climate change or any of the droughts or record breaking rains are just incidental



The actual alert

Wednesday, Aug. 31 – 11 a.m.
The California ISO has issued a Flex Alert for today, Aug. 31 from 4-9 p.m., due to high heat across the state and supply uncertainties. View the news release here.
More Flex Alerts are likely through the holiday weekend, as excessive heat is forecast to blanket most of California, and supplies are expected to be tight in the afternoon and evening, when solar production rolls off and demand remains high.
The ISO also issued an Energy Emergency Alert (EEA) Watch, effective 5 to 8 p.m. today, to access additional resources and prepare market participants and the public for potential energy shortages and the need to conserve. View our Emergency Notifications fact sheet for more information.
Consumer conservation will be critical to stabilizing the grid and maintaining electricity flow today.
• A Flex Alert is in effect today, from 4-9 p.m.
• We are experiencing some of the highest load levels of the year.
• We are monitoring weather conditions in neighboring areas, which impacts our ability to
import power from other grids.
• Overnight temperatures are staying high, which makes buildings and infrastructure
retain heat and can cause people to run air conditioners more.
• During multiple days of heat, generators that have been running at top speed can fail or
trip offline unexpectedly.
• We also have to expect the unexpected, meaning we need to be prepared for any
unplanned event that could tighten energy supplies.
• We called a Flex Alert to ask consumers to reduce electricity use from 4-9 p.m. today.
• That is the most critical time on the grid, because solar production is going offline, but
temperatures remain high.
The most important actions we’re encouraging consumers to take are:
 Pre-cool your homes before 4 p.m. and then set the thermostat to 78 degrees or higher
from 4 to 9 p.m., if health permits.
 Defer use of major appliances from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. Run your dishwasher and washing
machine earlier or later.
 Turn off all unnecessary lights from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.
 Cook your meals earlier in the day to save energy and keep your home cooler.
 Avoid charging EVs from 4-9 p.m., if possible. Instead, charge them before 4 p.m. when
solar production is abundant and electricity prices are likely lower.
We don’t anticipate any rotating power outages at this time.
This is the second Flex Alert of the 2022 summer season

But of course you left out the reason why. Imagine that .Such honesty



not enough electricity........

not enough electricity........

Like I said you ignored the reasons
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Like I said you ignored the reasons
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make sure you unplug your electric toaster when you aren't using to save electricity

You posted this long diatribe…

But of course you left out the reason why. Imagine that .Such honesty

So you think this event isn’t related to climate change or any of the droughts or record breaking rains are just incidental



The actual alert

Wednesday, Aug. 31 – 11 a.m.
The California ISO has issued a Flex Alert for today, Aug. 31 from 4-9 p.m., due to high heat across the state and supply uncertainties. View the news release here.
More Flex Alerts are likely through the holiday weekend, as excessive heat is forecast to blanket most of California, and supplies are expected to be tight in the afternoon and evening, when solar production rolls off and demand remains high.
The ISO also issued an Energy Emergency Alert (EEA) Watch, effective 5 to 8 p.m. today, to access additional resources and prepare market participants and the public for potential energy shortages and the need to conserve. View our Emergency Notifications fact sheet for more information.
Consumer conservation will be critical to stabilizing the grid and maintaining electricity flow today.
• A Flex Alert is in effect today, from 4-9 p.m.
• We are experiencing some of the highest load levels of the year.
• We are monitoring weather conditions in neighboring areas, which impacts our ability to
import power from other grids.
• Overnight temperatures are staying high, which makes buildings and infrastructure
retain heat and can cause people to run air conditioners more.
• During multiple days of heat, generators that have been running at top speed can fail or
trip offline unexpectedly.
• We also have to expect the unexpected, meaning we need to be prepared for any
unplanned event that could tighten energy supplies.
• We called a Flex Alert to ask consumers to reduce electricity use from 4-9 p.m. today.
• That is the most critical time on the grid, because solar production is going offline, but
temperatures remain high.
The most important actions we’re encouraging consumers to take are:
 Pre-cool your homes before 4 p.m. and then set the thermostat to 78 degrees or higher
from 4 to 9 p.m., if health permits.
 Defer use of major appliances from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. Run your dishwasher and washing
machine earlier or later.
 Turn off all unnecessary lights from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.
 Cook your meals earlier in the day to save energy and keep your home cooler.
 Avoid charging EVs from 4-9 p.m., if possible. Instead, charge them before 4 p.m. when
solar production is abundant and electricity prices are likely lower.
We don’t anticipate any rotating power outages at this time.
This is the second Flex Alert of the 2022 summer season

Which basically can be summed up with these 3 words….

not enough electricity........

Yet you can’t comprehend that….amazing :rolleyes:

Like I said you ignored the reasons
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TDF

not enough electricity........

That would be the reason. Pretty simple.

Not enough electricity for todays needs, yet they want everyone to drive electric vehicles soon, and are of course adamantly opposed to nuclear power or coal to generate the additional needed electricity.

TDF

Aren't the horse farts bad for the ozone layer?

Aren't the horse farts bad for the ozone layer?

I’m sure California will have a set of Emission standards and regulations for them before they can get a sticker
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You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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you keep dismissing me as waiting for a big idea. i keep
telling you you’re wrong, i have solar panels and a Nissan Leaf. yet you keep saying it for some reason.

i’m waiting for any and all ideas which work. You’re waiting for whatever comes out of the mouth of democrats.

wdmso, here’s the downside to going way too far, way too fast…

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/experts-blame-green-energy-europes-full-scale-energy-crisis-warning-us

wdmso, here’s the downside to going way too far, way too fast…

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/experts-blame-green-energy-europes-full-scale-energy-crisis-warning-us

do you even take time to read or understand whos feeding you BS information

you are a sheep Jim and fox is your shepherd

your EXPERTS are Rystad Energy is an independent energy research and business intelligence company headquartered in Oslo, Norway. It is the biggest independent energy consultancy in Norway, and a world-leading analysis company for the oil and gas industry
'There's been under-investment in fossil fuels in Europe,' an analyst from research firm Rystad Energy tells FOX Business


EU Power Market Not Working Thanks to Putin, Von Der Leyen Says

Von der Leyen blamed the record price increases on Russia's invasion of Ukraine which has upended global energy markets but added that the crisis was evidence the bloc needed to transition further to green energy. Russia has throttled natural gas supplies to Europe in response to the EU's sanction packages introduced following the February invasion.

You posted this long diatribe…



Which basically can be summed up with these 3 words….



Yet you can’t comprehend that….amazing :rolleyes:


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why is there a possible shortage .. i'll give you a hint it's not EV's

All we just get is another comment from the peanut gallery . :shocked:

why is there a possible shortage .. i'll give you a hint it's not EV's

All we just get is another comment from the peanut gallery . :shocked:

I’ll give you a hint, Scott never said it was caused by EV’s

All we just get is another comment based on something that was never said :shocked:

Shocking
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Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?

As for coal it’s been uneconomical for a while and pretty much all developed countries are trying to not use it, I doubt you’ll find anyone willing to invest the money to bring it back.

I’m old enough to remember off peak rates and using it for domestic hot water and electric heat.
In the same vein, some power companies are now funding on site battery storage, charged with solar OR off peak power.
It can then be used to reduce peak grid demand and is also available for power outages.
Don’t panic, it will get there in a number of ways.
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why is there a possible shortage .. i'll give you a hint it's not EV's

All we just get is another comment from the peanut gallery . :shocked:

As TDF said, as always you responded to something no one even came close to saying. Where did anyone say that the shortage was caused by EVs?

Try to follow Wayne...

Today, there isn't enough electricity for CA's current demand. Yet the state is mandating that soon no more gas vehicles can be sold new, so that means there will be more EVs, which means energy needs will meaningfully increase.

People who live in the real world, would say that before you switch people to EVs, it's a good idea to make sure you have the infastructure to support that. Ideologues don't worry about such trivial details.

Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?

As for coal it’s been uneconomical for a while and pretty much all developed countries are trying to not use it, I doubt you’ll find anyone willing to invest the money to bring it back.

I’m old enough to remember off peak rates and using it for domestic hot water and electric heat.
In the same vein, some power companies are now funding on site battery storage, charged with solar OR off peak power.
It can then be used to reduce peak grid demand and is also available for power outages.
Don’t panic, it will get there in a number of ways.
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"Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?"

Stupid people. Including a majority on your side. From the Gallup poll...

"Democrats continue to be far less likely than Republicans to favor using it. The pattern is in line with Democratic-leaning environmental groups' long-standing opposition to nuclear power; this has been focused on concerns about the environmental risks posed by nuclear waste and accidents, as well as their preference for renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal. Currently, 39% of Democrats versus 60% of Republicans and 53% of independents favor nuclear energy"

https://news.gallup.com/poll/392831/americans-divided-nuclear-energy.aspx

As TDF said, as always you responded to something no one even came close to saying. Where did anyone say that the shortage was caused by EVs?

Try to follow Wayne...

Today, there isn't enough electricity for CA's current demand. Yet the state is mandating that soon no more gas vehicles can be sold new, so that means there will be more EVs, which means energy needs will meaningfully increase.

People who live in the real world, would say that before you switch people to EVs, it's a good idea to make sure you have the infastructure to support that. Ideologues don't worry about such trivial details.


Jim you don’t live in the real world you live in your world

You can’t even see peoples intent with their posts . With the same tired excuses if I didn’t spell it out exactly I didn’t mean it.

The request to reduce power consumption is do to excessive heat And expected use of what’s called air conditioners

And no way ties in to no new gas cars by 2035

Caused by you guessed it climate change.

We have the infrastructure for EVs we don’t have the infrastructure for extreme climate events .
But don’t let facts get in your way

And Read an actual news story from someplace other than fox or the Washington examiner


Oh look

Virginia revealed it is bound by a 2021 state law to also phase out gas-powered cars by 2035. However, Attorney General Jason Miyares’s (R) office said in a statement it hopes the state repeals the law Republicans once again going against voters


This year, Dodge announced announced it would discontinue gas-powered muscle cars the Charger and Challenger.

Conservatives clinging to the past like a rat clinging to a sinking ship

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Jim you don’t live in the real world you live in your world

You can’t even see peoples intent with their posts . With the same tired excuses if I didn’t spell it out exactly I didn’t mean it.

The request to reduce power consumption is do to excessive heat And expected use of what’s called air conditioners

And no way ties in to no new gas cars by 2035

Caused by you guessed it climate change.

We have the infrastructure for EVs we don’t have the infrastructure for extreme climate events .
But don’t let facts get in your way

And Read an actual news story from someplace other than fox or the Washington examiner


Oh look

Virginia revealed it is bound by a 2021 state law to also phase out gas-powered cars by 2035. However, Attorney General Jason Miyares’s (R) office said in a statement it hopes the state repeals the law Republicans once again going against voters


This year, Dodge announced announced it would discontinue gas-powered muscle cars the Charger and Challenger.

Conservatives clinging to the past like a rat clinging to a sinking ship

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so after CA band gas cars and everyone buys EVs, it won’t be hot anymore, and no one will run their A/C. that’s what you’re saying?

How do you know that the conditions creating today’s need, won’t also exist when everyone has EVs?

youre making some big assumptions.

“we have the infastructure for EVs”

we have enough charging stations for tens of millions of EVs, and enough power to charge them? sure we do wdmso.

"Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?"

Stupid people. Including a majority on your side. From the Gallup poll...

"Democrats continue to be far less likely than Republicans to favor using it. The pattern is in line with Democratic-leaning environmental groups' long-standing opposition to nuclear power; this has been focused on concerns about the environmental risks posed by nuclear waste and accidents, as well as their preference for renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal. Currently, 39% of Democrats versus 60% of Republicans and 53% of independents favor nuclear energy"

https://news.gallup.com/poll/392831/americans-divided-nuclear-energy.aspx

So according to you 40% of Republicans, 47% of independents and 61% of Democrats are stupid.

Don’t panic, it will get there in a number of ways.
It’s impossible, is not one of them.
In a hundred years we went from horse and buggy to a man on the moon, and it seems you still think the earth is flat.
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"Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?"

Stupid people. Including a majority on your side. From the Gallup poll...

"Democrats continue to be far less likely than Republicans to favor using it. The pattern is in line with Democratic-leaning environmental groups' long-standing opposition to nuclear power; this has been focused on concerns about the environmental risks posed by nuclear waste and accidents, as well as their preference for renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal. Currently, 39% of Democrats versus 60% of Republicans and 53% of independents favor nuclear energy"

https://news.gallup.com/poll/392831/americans-divided-nuclear-energy.aspx

Your just a parrot repeating what your told try doing some research

The average age of U.S. commercial nuclear power reactors that were operational as of December 31, 2021, was about 40 years. The oldest operating reactor is Nine Mile Point 1 in New York, which entered commercial service in December 1969. The newest reactor to enter service is Tennessee’s Watts Bar Unit 2, which began operation in June 2016. The next-youngest operating reactor is Watts Bar Unit 1, also in Tennessee, which entered service in May 1996.


cost is nuclear's Achilles' heel. Modern-day reactors have become jarringly expensive to build, going for $5 billion to $10 billion a pop. Worse, the price tag seems to be rising in many places. Back in the 1960s, new reactors in the US were one of the cheaper energy sources around. Two decades later, after a series of missteps, those costs had increased sixfold — a big reason we stopped building plants.


EIA calculates overnight construction costs for new US power plants ordered in 2014. Advanced nuclear reactors are estimated to cost $5,366 for every kilowatt of capacity. That means a large 1-gigawatt reactor would cost around $5.4 billion to build, excluding financing costs. By contrast, a new wind farm costs just $1,980 per kilowatt. A new gas plant costs just $912 per kilowatt, or one-fifth as much. (This isn't a perfect comparison, since reactors run at capacity more often than wind farms or gas plants. But even if you adjust for capacity factors, those construction costs make nuclear uncompetitive. High upfront costs can also scare off investors.)

Keep thinking it’s liberals fault

so after CA band gas cars and everyone buys EVs, it won’t be hot anymore, and no one will run their A/C. that’s what you’re saying?

How do you know that the conditions creating today’s need, won’t also exist when everyone has EVs?

youre making some big assumptions.

“we have the infastructure for EVs”

we have enough charging stations for tens of millions of EVs, and enough power to charge them? sure we do wdmso.

You must own a treadmill you just always seem to run in place

In your world airplanes cars and trains and their infrastructure all showed up at the same time , I guess highways bridges also just happened The infrastructure for EV will follow its logical path like the rest of history’s inventions .. and here I thought your horse a buggy thing was a joke seems your seriously upset to have left that behind

"France to build up to 14 new nuclear reactors by 2050, says Macron. Emmanuel Macron has announced a “renaissance” for the French nuclear industry with a vast programme to build as many as 14 new reactors, arguing that it would help end the country's reliance on fossil fuels and make France carbon neutral by 2050." Feb 10, 2022

"California's last nuclear plant – scheduled to fully shut down by 2025 – has been given renewed life. California lawmakers voted on Wednesday to delay the closure of the Diablo Canyon facility by five years, after the governor warned the state could face rolling blackouts if its twin reactors were retired too soon." 1 day ago

"France to build up to 14 new nuclear reactors by 2050, says Macron. Emmanuel Macron has announced a “renaissance” for the French nuclear industry with a vast programme to build as many as 14 new reactors, arguing that it would help end the country's reliance on fossil fuels and make France carbon neutral by 2050." Feb 10, 2022

"California's last nuclear plant – scheduled to fully shut down by 2025 – has been given renewed life. California lawmakers voted on Wednesday to delay the closure of the Diablo Canyon facility by five years, after the governor warned the state could face rolling blackouts if its twin reactors were retired too soon." 1 day ago


I am sure this 5 year extension in based on current energy prices worldwide

France isn’t the USA United States they always built nuclear plants

France’s minister for energy transition said Friday that French electricity giant EDF has committed to restart all its nuclear reactors by this winter to help the country through the broad energy crisis aggravated by the war in Ukraine.

France relies on nuclear energy for about 67% of its electricity – more than any other country – and on gas for about 7%.




So do you have a point

I am sure this 5 year extension in based on current energy prices worldwide

France isn’t the USA United States they always built nuclear plants

France’s minister for energy transition said Friday that French electricity giant EDF has committed to restart all its nuclear reactors by this winter to help the country through the broad energy crisis aggravated by the war in Ukraine.

France relies on nuclear energy for about 67% of its electricity – more than any other country – and on gas for about 7%.




So do you have a point

I made a point...you made a mess as usual....

they delayed shuttering the nuclear plant in California becuase it would cause power outages

"The governor pushed for the extension in the final days of the legislative session in an attempt to maintain a steady power supply and avoid the politically damaging prospect of power outages."

cost is nuclear's Achilles' heel. Modern-day reactors have become jarringly expensive to build, going for $5 billion to $10 billion a pop.

How many reactors have we sent to the Ukraine?
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I made a point...you made a mess as usual....

they delayed shuttering the nuclear plant in California becuase it would cause power outages

"The governor pushed for the extension in the final days of the legislative session in an attempt to maintain a steady power supply and avoid the politically damaging prospect of power outages."

Of course you avoid the real reason energy prices
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How many reactors have we sent to the Ukraine?
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The government doesn’t build reactors do they.. its the private sectors Choice .

Now you’re upset the US has supported Ukraine and not spending that money here at home.

Which you would of course be against . Once they tried to spend it . Yelling no socialism
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wayne, biden said today “I don’t consider ANY Trump supporter to be a threat to democracy.”

that’s the opposite of what he said last night. They are mutually exclusive statements. they can’t both be correct. he said today that no one who supports trump is a threat to democracy.

So we can subsidize Gender Studies degrees, but Power Plants to provide the energy we will need for the EV’s the Gubment is mandating we drive, is a deal breaker. Got It…..sounds logical
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Of course you avoid the real reason energy prices
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Why is California shutting down nuclear plants?

The Senate bill makes it possible for PG&E to apply to keep the two reactors open through October 2029 and October 2030, respectively. The nuclear power plant was slated to shut down largely due to anti-nuclear sentiment in the state and a preference for building out renewable power sources, like wind and solar.

You think like some people in Texas after getting 10 inch’s of rain in 24hrs they think their drought is over

You apply the same logic to Climate

You’re waiting for that one big Idea to happen and fix everything

You do understand if only electric cars and trucks were on the roads

Electric generation won’t be just wind and solar . Not sure why you keep thinking that’s how it will work

We have an old infrastructure and change is slow . And it’s even slower when one party wants to protect oil and gas . Then they care to protect future Americans.


There’s a reason why you can take a train any where in Europe quickly
Or use reliable public transportation

as for extra generation ask the private power companies who shuttered 2 in my town they refused to convert them to Gas or there wasn’t enough gas infrastructure

They removed more power from the grid in a day then I’d wager all the electric cars in the Us
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america isn’t europe. we don’t like public transportation. we like the freedom of cars.

america isn’t europe. we don’t like public transportation. we like the freedom of cars.

Didn’t your blessed mother tell you to be careful what you wish for?

Lewis Mumford predicted in 1958 that Americans would discover that the highway program will, eventually, wipe out the very area of freedom that the private motorcar promised to retain for them. This warning has come to pass. Today, the car embodies the freedom to wait in traffic. Transportation choices hardly exist. Viable transit systems exist in only a few big cities, service is usually infrequent, inconvenient, and expensive, and is being drastically undermined by fare increases and service cutbacks. Gasoline is one of the few things that are cheaper today in real dollars than 20 years ago. Mass transit travel is many times more expensive. Development patterns make transit travel difficult, even for those who prefer it, and unavailable to most.
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Didn’t your blessed mother tell you to be careful what you wish for?

Lewis Mumford predicted in 1958 that Americans would discover that the highway program will, eventually, wipe out the very area of freedom that the private motorcar promised to retain for them. This warning has come to pass. Today, the car embodies the freedom to wait in traffic. Transportation choices hardly exist. Viable transit systems exist in only a few big cities, service is usually infrequent, inconvenient, and expensive, and is being drastically undermined by fare increases and service cutbacks. Gasoline is one of the few things that are cheaper today in real dollars than 20 years ago. Mass transit travel is many times more expensive. Development patterns make transit travel difficult, even for those who prefer it, and unavailable to most.
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I’m sorry pete, we don’t like public transportation. and it’s not because public transportation isn’t state of the art. It’s not because of cost. we just prefer driving ourselves. that’s our culture. i don’t say that because it serves my agenda (!that’s not a conservative talking point) , i say it because it’s true.

here in CT we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paving 9 miles of road and built a busway into hartford. there’s no traffic, as only the buses can ride in it. the buses are cheap to ride, subsidized by the state. they are state of the art low emission buses. and nobody rides them.

I’m sorry pete, we don’t like public transportation. and it’s not because public transportation isn’t state of the art. It’s not because of cost. we just prefer driving ourselves. that’s our culture. i don’t say that because it serves my agenda (!that’s not a conservative talking point) , i say it because it’s true.

here in CT we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paving 9 miles of road and built a busway into hartford. there’s no traffic, as only the buses can ride in it. the buses are cheap to ride, subsidized by the state. they are state of the art low emission buses. and nobody rides them.

Well, you are a Republican in Connecticut….
And the people who took 11,448 average weekday local and express passenger trips were not in cars.
Ridership is increasing, but go ahead and rant.
Remember we all subsidize roads and the fossil fuel industry.
Utah has an extensive mass transit system, they too must be liberal.
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america isn’t europe. we don’t like public transportation. we like the freedom of cars.

Spoken like a true cult member. FYI there are plenty of cars and roads and highways in Europe

And Americans love public transportation. Just not the US example
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classic.....

CALIFORNIA (WTVO)California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
by: John Clark
Posted: Aug 31, 2022

There was an unusual weather event in California and Governor Newsom asked residents to pitch in during a moment of crisis. People responded for the good of the community. The crisis passed with the electricity still on. Is a better model what was experienced in Texas?
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Waiting for the domesday glacier to drop into the Atlantic, I will have a house on the new white horse beach.

Waiting for the domesday glacier to drop into the Atlantic, I will have a house on the new white horse beach.

given that Obama bought a mega mansion on martha’s vineyard, what does that mean that he thinks the possibility is, of that happening?

given that Obama bought a mega mansion on martha’s vineyard, what does that mean that he thinks the possibility is, of that happening?

Why are you upset a black family bought a house on the vineyard in 2019 ..

Why are you upset a black family bought a house on the vineyard in 2019 ..

how could you possibly conclude that was my point? That was very very stupid even for you.

Obama, regardless of his skin color, obviously isnt worried about oceans rising.

you tried to make that a racist remark? seriously? you cannot be taken seriously here.

our construction czar flies around in a private jet, which tells me he isn’t concerned about the effect of a big carbon footprint on the environment.

Jim never misses a red herring, environmental change can’t happen because (insert name) flies on airplanes.
The total of air traffics contribution is somewheres around 2% and that’s for all flights, passenger, cargo and military and eliminating it completely would still leave 98%
Now Jim has no idea if any of the people he has heard Fox cite as hypocrites combined trips, chose not to take trips or used one of the numerous mechanisms to offset their carbon footprint by any amount.
But that wouldn’t enhance his victimhood, would it?
But we all know he’s Stable Genius II and really really, like smart.
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Jim never misses a red herring, environmental change can’t happen because (insert name) flies on airplanes.
The total of air traffics contribution is somewheres around 2% and that’s for all flights, passenger, cargo and military and eliminating it completely would still leave 98%
Now Jim has no idea if any of the people he has heard Fox cite as hypocrites combined trips, chose not to take trips or used one of the numerous mechanisms to offset their carbon footprint by any amount.
But that wouldn’t enhance his victimhood, would it?
But we all know he’s Stable Genius II and really really, like smart.
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never said it can’t happen because of the example set by the biggest mouths in this movement. As often happens, a liberal is responding to something no one ever said. What i said, was question whether or not it should happen, whether or not it needs to happen.

Why is it a red herring if I say this….let’s all be held to the same standard, let’s all be asked to make the same sacrifices. If Al Gore and Barack Obama and John Kerry have a carbon footprint that’s acceptable ( and since none of you can ever bring yourselves to criticize those guys, let’s assume it’s acceptable), why isn’t it acceptable if we all have the same carbon footprint?

Wayne, FYI, now i’m being critical of two white guys and a black guy, is that racial makeup acceptable to you? Because we can throw Leonardo Decaprio and Steven Spielberg in the list if that makes the aggregate skin pigmentation ( which is always important to liberals) tolerable to you.

how could you possibly conclude that was my point? That was very very stupid even for you.

Obama, regardless of his skin color, obviously isnt worried about oceans rising.

you tried to make that a racist remark? seriously? you cannot be taken seriously here.

our construction czar flies around in a private jet, which tells me he isn’t concerned about the effect of a big carbon footprint on the environment.


Seeing I had no idea him buying a house was such news

yet seems i wasn't far off seeing fox ran an op-ed about the subject

suggesting it was about “Too many in Democratic leadership peddle the politics of envy and victimhood to grab power, wealth and success for themselves,” she said.

FYI my comment was sarcasm




Yet 99.9 % of Republicans aren't worried about oceans rising.:btu:

many of the rich aren't concerned seeing it will impact them the least

and how is buying a house equal to not concerned in the ocean risings

I just don't see How he even ties into the topic..

other than what pete suggested you think obama a hypocrite for buying a house on an island :btu:

Seeing I had no idea him buying a house was such news

yet seems i wasn't far off seeing fox ran an op-ed about the subject

suggesting it was about “Too many in Democratic leadership peddle the politics of envy and victimhood to grab power, wealth and success for themselves,” she said.

FYI my comment was sarcasm




Yet 99.9 % of Republicans aren't worried about oceans rising.:btu:

many of the rich aren't concerned seeing it will impact them the least

and how is buying a house equal to not concerned in the ocean risings

I just don't see How he even ties into the topic..

other than what pete suggested you think obama a hypocrite for buying a house on an island :btu:

him buying a house is news to those who truly believe manhattan is going to be underwater soon.

Only Jim could conclude Obama buying a home on the vineyard equates to him having no concern about ocean rising. Was the house on stilts right on the beach Jim or well away from the ocean rising which, unless your brain dead, is likely to impact future generations, not us old farts. Could it be he is concerned but loves the island and wants to spend much of his golden years there?

never said it can’t happen because of the example set by the biggest mouths in this movement. As often happens, a liberal is responding to something no one ever said. What i said, was question whether or not it should happen, whether or not it needs to happen.

Why is it a red herring if I say this….let’s all be held to the same standard, let’s all be asked to make the same sacrifices. If Al Gore and Barack Obama and John Kerry have a carbon footprint that’s acceptable ( and since none of you can ever bring yourselves to criticize those guys, let’s assume it’s acceptable), why isn’t it acceptable if we all have the same carbon footprint?

Wayne, FYI, now i’m being critical of two white guys and a black guy, is that racial makeup acceptable to you? Because we can throw Leonardo Decaprio and Steven Spielberg in the list if that makes the aggregate skin pigmentation ( which is always important to liberals) tolerable to you.

Of course, every single Republican voted against climate change legislation

Republicans fight climate change laws because they’re paid to.
Republicans fight gun control laws because they’re paid to.
Republicans fight unions and living wages because they’re paid to.
Republicans fight healthcare for all because they’re paid to.
Any questions?
Maybe who owns the GOP?
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Only Jim could conclude Obama buying a home on the vineyard equates to him having no concern about ocean rising. Was the house on stilts right on the beach Jim or well away from the ocean rising which, unless your brain dead, is likely to impact future generations, not us old farts. Could it be he is concerned but loves the island and wants to spend much of his golden years there?

you said your housemaid going to be beachfront. i asked yiu hiwnthat jibes with obama buying beach houses in martha’s vineyard and hawaii. that tells me that obama isn’t concerned about the oceans rising significantly. What other conclusion is there.

you’re saying it’s ok for obama to have a massive carbon footprint. does everyine have the right to the same carbon footprint? that’s the key question.

All I can say Jim is if that’s proof to you Obama isn’t concerned about global warming and sea level rise, I wil let you make a fool of yourself all by yourself. You do realize certain property purchases and locations are decades from being impacted by sea level rises, please share with us the elevation above sea level these Obama purchases that prove your silly case.

All I can say Jim is if that’s proof to you Obama isn’t concerned about global warming and sea level rise, I wil let you make a fool of yourself all by yourself. You do realize certain property purchases and locations are decades from being impacted by sea level rises, please share with us the elevation above sea level these Obama purchases that prove your silly case.

ok. so he did the math, and his house won’t be underwater until he’s gone, and he leaves the underwater mansion to the girls.

it’s very convenient that therefore, he can leave the biggest carbon footprint he feels like leaving.

for the second time, do we all have the right to the same carbon footprint that Obama has? any reason why you don’t want to answer that question?

ok. so he did the math, and his house won’t be underwater until he’s gone, and he leaves the underwater mansion to the girls.

it’s very convenient that therefore, he can leave the biggest carbon footprint he feels like leaving.

for the second time, do we all have the right to the same carbon footprint that Obama has? any reason why you don’t want to answer that question?

Poor victim

We all need to do what we can, the things Tucker is telling you are silly, just like his theory that real men tan their testicles.
How do you know what anyone else has done about climate challenges?
You make assumptions and convict them based on what you heard, and then like a typical wannabe, won’t do anything unless you get a participation award.
Bill Engvall has a sign for you
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Poor victim

We all need to do what we can, the things Tucker is telling you are silly, just like his theory that real men tan their testicles.
How do you know what anyone else has done about climate challenges?
You make assumptions and convict them based on what you heard, and then like a typical wannabe, won’t do anything unless you get a participation award.
Bill Engvall has a sign for you
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i know that flying private is about as environmentally friendly, as burning tires in my backyard.

You’re terrified of this question…can we all have multiple mansions and fly private jets? or do only some folks have the right to that luxury?

i know that flying private is about as environmentally friendly, as burning tires in my backyard.

You’re terrified of this question…can we all have multiple mansions and fly private jets? or do only some folks have the right to that luxury?

Quaking, rather than engage in substantive debate about the science of climate change, and the apocalyptic effect it will have on our lives, you resort to personal attacks.
Let’s first acknowledge the fact this criticism is a logical fallacy, an ad hominem, that in no way refutes the existence of global warming or addresses its accompanying issues. Criticizing an environmentalist for flying too much is a diversion, a red herring, meant to derail us from having a real conversation about global warming, because any real conversation about global warming ends with us realizing how enormous and urgent the issue is.
The “fly too much” criticism shifts the blame from the actually guilty parties — oil companies, and the governments and financial systems who support them — to the environmental advocate, making him a scapegoat. Instead of a systemic problem, it transforms global warming into a personal problem. The jet-setting environmentalist is turned into a convenient villain, and branded a hypocrite.

Or are you now a socialist?

The rest of the MAGA world is having a full meltdown over CA keeping the power on during an unprecedented heat wave while Greg Abbott in TX couldn't.
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Quaking, rather than engage in substantive debate about the science of climate change, and the apocalyptic effect it will have on our lives, you resort to personal attacks.
Let’s first acknowledge the fact this criticism is a logical fallacy, an ad hominem, that in no way refutes the existence of global warming or addresses its accompanying issues. Criticizing an environmentalist for flying too much is a diversion, a red herring, meant to derail us from having a real conversation about global warming, because any real conversation about global warming ends with us realizing how enormous and urgent the issue is.
The “fly too much” criticism shifts the blame from the actually guilty parties — oil companies, and the governments and financial systems who support them — to the environmental advocate, making him a scapegoat. Instead of a systemic problem, it transforms global warming into a personal problem. The jet-setting environmentalist is turned into a convenient villain, and branded a hypocrite.

Or are you now a socialist?

The rest of the MAGA world is having a full meltdown over CA keeping the power on during an unprecedented heat wave while Greg Abbott in TX couldn't.
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if climate change will have an apocalyptic effect on the planet, why do so many of the biggest mouths in that movement, have massive carbon footprints? it doesn’t look like john kerry believes what you’re saying. If you’re right, and we all lived like Obama and Hihn Kerry and Al Gore, wes all be up the creek without a paddle, tight?

fine let’s have a debate. a short time ago it was global
warming. them that was disproved, donnie it’s more of a blanket term, climate change. None of the dire predictions made by this group have come true. Tells me the models are flawed with bad assumptions.

i spend more time in the water and in the woods than most. I wants. healthy environment. I believe things are changing, I believe man is likely having an effect. I’m nowhere near convinced that the outcome will be an apocalypse. And again, on what basis would you say that Obama and Gore and Kerry believe what they’re selling? Their choices indicate that they are choosing personal luxury over the environment. So who gets to crap all over the planet to live in luxury, and who is supposed to make actual sacrifices?

I have a big solar system covering both sides of my roof and drive. Nissan Leaf.

if climate change will have an apocalyptic effect on the planet, why do so many of the biggest mouths in that movement, have massive carbon footprints? it doesn’t look like john kerry believes what you’re saying. If you’re right, and we all lived like Obama and Hihn Kerry and Al Gore, wes all be up the creek without a paddle, tight?

fine let’s have a debate. a short time ago it was global
warming. them that was disproved, donnie it’s more of a blanket term, climate change. None of the dire predictions made by this group have come true. Tells me the models are flawed with bad assumptions.

i spend more time in the water and in the woods than most. I wants. healthy environment. I believe things are changing, I believe man is likely having an effect. I’m nowhere near convinced that the outcome will be an apocalypse. And again, on what basis would you say that Obama and Gore and Kerry believe what they’re selling? Their choices indicate that they are choosing personal luxury over the environment. So who gets to crap all over the planet to live in luxury, and who is supposed to make actual sacrifices?

I have a big solar system covering both sides of my roof and drive. Nissan Leaf.

Global warming is not disproved.

The most effective methods for combating climate change are using renewable energy, optimizing energy use and preventing energy loss. These are areas we can address, today, that don’t require seismic shifts in how we live.
One strategy is to reduce carbon emissions for shorter forms of travel. We can subsidize the production and sales of electric cars. We can promote the development of high-speed electric railway systems that offer a green alternative to short- and mid-range flights.

It’s always easier to complain than act.

Do you have a Bernie sticker on your leaf?
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It’s always easier to complain than act.


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let us know when you and the leftist contingent here get your electric cars and solar panels and dump your gas powered engines...:claps:

Global warming is not disproved.

The most effective methods for combating climate change are using renewable energy, optimizing energy use and preventing energy loss. These are areas we can address, today, that don’t require seismic shifts in how we live.
One strategy is to reduce carbon emissions for shorter forms of travel. We can subsidize the production and sales of electric cars. We can promote the development of high-speed electric railway systems that offer a green alternative to short- and mid-range flights.

It’s always easier to complain than act.

Do you have a Bernie sticker on your leaf?
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as always when i make a valid point, you lob weak general insults. I am acting. i’m driving a tiny little car instead of a more comfortable gas guzzling sedan, and then only reason i’m doing it is because i think I should.

but you cannot ever criticize your side. And despite your claim that you’re not afraid of the question i asked 4-5 times, you have t come close to answering it. You just try to move on.

let us know when you and the leftist contingent here get your electric cars and solar panels and dump your gas powered engines...:claps:

Such a simplistic view for a complex issue :claps: from the resident Bomb thrower :sleeps:

as always when i make a valid point, you lob weak general insults. I am acting. i’m driving a tiny little car instead of a more comfortable gas guzzling sedan, and then only reason i’m doing it is because i think I should.

but you cannot ever criticize your side. And despite your claim that you’re not afraid of the question i asked 4-5 times, you have t come close to answering it. You just try to move on.

I answered it
You don’t like the answer

“Now Jim has no idea if any of the people he has heard Fox cite as hypocrites combined trips, chose not to take trips or used one of the numerous mechanisms to offset their carbon footprint by any amount.
But that wouldn’t enhance his victimhood, would it?
But we all know he’s Stable Genius II and really really, like smart.”
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