This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Constitution, shmonstitution.

We are becoming too stupid to live.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11114637/Fury-Minneapolis-teachers-union-says-WHITE-teachers-laid-regardless-seniority.html

Poor victim :want:

Tucker said you're going to be replaced, didn't he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOz1Bdq1t2M

We are becoming too stupid to live.


Well, it was a good run

Well, it was a good run

it was, it was a pretty good run. Time to give another species a shot.
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Poor victim :want:

Tucker said you're going to be replaced, didn't he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOz1Bdq1t2M

how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.

the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.

have you ever gotten one right?
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Jim doesn’t understand the Teachers voted for the contract.. so there’s no discrimination it’s a condition of employment….

And of course Jim lies talking about people getting fired

White teachers would be laid off first

That’s not fired

And when’s the last time you heard of teachers getting laid off

Another spoon feed outrage from the far right echo chamber
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how about telling us how it’s not a violation of the civil rights act, which is a federal law that explicitly prohibits employment discrimination based in race.

the victims are the kids, who get stuck with teachers whose qualification is skin color.

have you ever gotten one right?
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You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools

section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority

So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job

Doesn’t sound that earth shattering

And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....:cheers:

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that

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and you subscribe to and monitor all of them no doubt...tell us what they are saying in the comments... OK?

You assume black teachers have no seniority and black teachers they will somehow take over theses schools

section states that if a nonwhite teacher is subject to excess, the district must instead excess a white teacher with the “next least” seniority

So basically if there are 150 white teachers And 4 black teachers and the need to lay 4 people off and 3 blacks have more seniority then the bottom 3 white and 1 black the black women keeps her job

Doesn’t sound that earth shattering

And please don’t make it sound as if you care about fairness all of a sudden

Ps search this story all the hits are right wing sites imagine that
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so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions

The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.

What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?

anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.

here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.

why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?

do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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the leftists are really in their glory when they can get on a good "you must be a racist" rant.....:cheers:

yup. it’s racist if i say skin color should not be considered.

it’s not racist to say that skin color is literally the only thing that matters.
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Soon, you’ll be replaced

They’re coming for your boat too…..

It’s white, isn’t it?
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so instead of reading what i posted, you made stupid and wildly incorrect assumptions

The contract specifies that you group teachers by seniority, and fire the white ones first.

What if a white teacher happens to be the best teacher? Is that not possible?

anyway, you did what all of you do, you ignored what i said, and responded ( stupidly) to something i never came close to saying.

here’s a crazy idea…let’s judge people by what they do ( which we can all control) and leave color ( which we have no control over and therefore says absolutely nothing about us) out of it.

why not fire the tall teachers? or the blonde teachers?

do you ot see how stupid this is? just because it came from the left, you can’t criticize it. never.
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You made stuff in your 1st sentence

This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Hence you have an integrity problem

2nd the contract was passed by the teachers themselves and

The policy doesn’t mention race, which better positions the district and union, experts say.

3rd it’s called a condition of employment

In my union we approved a contract that if you were seen smoking or using tobacco products you could be terminated

Of course those who got fired tried to say if violated their Rights.

The Courts said you willing negotiated that Right away for a raise

Same thing happened with detailed doctors notes people cried hippa

Courts sorry you negotiated that privacy away

This is no different just faux white outraged . Trying to claim it’s going to throw white better teachers out the door over black teachers who can’t possibly possess the same skills .. tell me I am wrong

Jim even under the old rules seniority would supersede the best teacher if they had no seniority

Didn’t see the Right complaining about that
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You made stuff in your 1st sentence

This is explicitly in the contract. Let’s not fire the lousy teachers, let’s fire the honkeys.

Hence you have an integrity problem

2nd the contract was passed by the teachers themselves

3rd it’s called a condition of employment

In my union we approved a contract that if you were seen smoking or using tobacco products you could be terminated

Of course those who got fired tried to say if violated their Rights.

The Courts said you willing negotiated that Right away for a raise

Same thing happened with detailed doctors notes people cried hippa

Courts sorry you negotiated that privacy away

This is no different just faux white outraged . Trying to claim it’s going to throw white better teachers out the door over black teachers who can’t possibly possess the same skills .. tell me I am wrong

Jim even under the old rules seniority would supersede the best teacher if they had no seniority

Didn’t see the Right complaining about that
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make it really really simple.

you have kids in a school. the school has to lay off a teacher. Would you rather (a) they fire the worst, laziest, least-skilled teacher, or (b) automatically fire the least senior white teacher, even if thatbhaooems to be a terrific teacher?

Have fun answering that.

everybody knows who the worst teachers are. How is it not best for the kids, to get rid of them first?
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I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

and then once elected, hide democrats are beholden to those teachers and reward them with raises and benefits which dwarf what’s available to those who work in the private sector. That’s not corrupt.

here i’m CT, for ten years, the speaker of the state house of representatives was a liberal
democrat. Legislature is a part time job in CT, they all have full
time jobs. His full time job? He was a rep for the largest state employee union! He worked for the state employee union. So as a state rep, it was his job to vote on the size of his paycheck at his full
time job. No conflict of interest there!
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make it really really simple.

you have kids in a school. the school has to lay off a teacher. Would you rather (a) they fire the worst, laziest, least-skilled teacher, or (b) automatically fire the least senior white teacher, even if thatbhaooems to be a terrific teacher?

Have fun answering that.

everybody knows who the worst teachers are. How is it not best for the kids, to get rid of them first?
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to funny your article has nothing to do with (a) they fire the worst, laziest, or keeping least-skilled teacher it's still all about seniority until it gets to the bottom of the list

but keep injecting something that doesn't apply

the way its written A white teacher would have the same protections if the majority of teachers we Black .. but again if the contract stated Race which it does :btu:not

I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

what you don't know how a political action committee works ?



In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way :btu:

to funny your article has nothing to do with (a) they fire the worst, laziest, or keeping least-skilled teacher it's still all about seniority until it gets to the bottom of the list

but keep injecting something that doesn't apply

the way its written A white teacher would have the same protections if the majority of teachers we Black .. but again if the contract stated Race which it does :btu:not

right. the article
doesn’t mention firing the worst teacher, because per the contract, they must fore the white teacher.

I don’t think you understand what’s happening. i’ll
see if i can put it into a pop-up book for you.

it’s not all about seniority. it’s about seniority and race
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what you don't know how a political action committee works ?



In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way :btu:


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Originally Posted by scottw View Post
I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

I don’t think you understand what’s happening. i’ll
see if i can put it into a pop-up book for you.

i
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he's wound pretty tight.....:bl:

what you don't know how a political action committee works ?



In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a 527 organization, that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

they cant and dont use union funds to promote campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.

But again Scott don't let the facts get in your way :btu:

so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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he's just yelling about something that was never said again....

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw View Post
I just got an expensive looking flyer from the NEARI telling it's members which democrats to vote for in upcoming elections

Here are endorsements pay a pac


Yet In You mind their telling their members who to vote for …

More fantasy’s
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he's just yelling about something that was never said again....

Like usual you said nothing but implied much . Then you deny you meant anything what a surprise
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so you’re saying that public teachers unions are political action committees? i agree. i was in one.
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Yes Jim you were in a union . Not sure why? Your an anti unionist


And if you wanted you donated to your unions PAC or not

it’s was never required was it.

But it’s funny conservatives like yourself have no issues with dark money and corporate lobbyists

But a teacher union you see as a threat and their political sway is somehow unfair LOL
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Yes Jim you were in a union . Not sure why? Your an anti unionist


And if you wanted you donated to your unions PAC or not

it’s was never required was it.

But it’s funny conservatives like yourself have no issues with dark money and corporate lobbyists

But a teacher union you see as a threat and their political sway is somehow unfair LOL
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i asked if you consider teachers unions to be PACs. you afraid to
answer?

teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

when i taught, i offered to be the teacher moderator for the ping ping club. there was no money in it, the school was broke. i was happy to do it for free. I get a letter from the union ordering me not to do it unless they paid me.

All for the kids.

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
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i asked if you consider teachers unions to be PACs. you afraid to
answer?

teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

when i taught, i offered to be the teacher moderator for the ping ping club. there was no money in it, the school was broke. i was happy to do it for free. I get a letter from the union ordering me not to do it unless they paid me.

All for the kids.

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
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Once again Jim you are trying to say unions and pac committees are the same thing shocking

Do you ever get tired of pounding a square pegs into a round holes





teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

Yep teachers are so rich and they enrich Democratic’s

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.


please spare me your conspiracy’s your just another victim blaming others because you don’t have their pay or their benefits or the guts to do the job … you re pettiness is pathetic for a grown man

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Like usual you said nothing but implied much . Then you deny you meant anything what a surprise

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no, you just reacted reflexively and started spouting before thinking...

no, you just reacted reflexively and started spouting before thinking...

Shocking
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i asked if you consider teachers unions to be PACs. you afraid to
answer?

teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

when i taught, i offered to be the teacher moderator for the ping ping club. there was no money in it, the school was broke. i was happy to do it for free. I get a letter from the union ordering me not to do it unless they paid me.

All for the kids.

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.
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You speak as if the “Union” is a great and forbidding power.
You had the opportunity to become a union leader when you were a member.
Far easier to complain and accuse.

You’re upset that A teachers union was willing to do something that they viewed as positive for others, but claim they have no soul.

It’s ok for others to be compensated for their labor, but teachers are required to be called.
How Catholic of you.

Should all work in service of others be done for noble purpose with low compensation?

It costs ~$70 to produce a year’s supply of insulin. Yet, the average annual cost of insulin went from $2,864 in 2012 to $5,705 in 2016 to $12,000 in 2022.

That’s a 17,142% markup.😳 That isn’t inflation. It isn’t supply chain issues. It is 100% corporate greed.
It’s required for some to live, surely right up there with education.
Are the pharmaceutical companies also “soulless whores”?
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Once again Jim you are trying to say unions and pac committees are the same thing shocking

Do you ever get tired of pounding a square pegs into a round holes





teachers unions hurt kids and communities. they enrich teachers and democrats.

Yep teachers are so rich and they enrich Democratic’s

They ( the union) are the most soulless whores you could ever meet.


please spare me your conspiracy’s your just another victim blaming others because you don’t have their pay or their benefits or the guts to do the job … you re pettiness is pathetic for a grown man

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"Once again Jim you are trying to say unions and pac committees are the same thing shocking "

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

Wayne, what's the downside to firing the worst teachers, as opposed to the white teachers? Do you assume black teachers need this protection? Seems like you assume that if employment was based on actual ability, that black teachers would be the ones fired, and therefore they need this protection.

"because you don’t have their pay or their benefit"

Because if I did have their pay and benefits, my company would go bankrupt in a week, just as the liberal pro union states are drowning in debt. Funny how you never mention that.

Connecticut has debt it can never, ever pay. The biggest drivers of teh states debt, by far, are public union benefits. As more boomers retire, that debt is no longer a future theoretical thing, its becoming a current reality. WHen you make impossible promises, you can only out-run it for so long

When it blows up, the union leaders and democrats who promised them impossible benefits wont care, they'll be retired. Ironically, the ones who will get screwed will be the teachers, who were lied to by both their union and by elected democrats, told the lie that they could deliver benefits that aren't mathematically possible.

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

A he stated they told members how to vote And the candidates were recommended from the PAC committee

It’s on their web site under News


More General Assembly Endorsements

(August 12, 2022) - The National Education Association Rhode Island Political Action Committee for Education (NEARI-PACE) today announced more candidate endorsements for General Assembly primaries in 2022, rounding out their full slate for the primary. These candidates have demonstrated an alignment with NEARI ideals and will work toward policies to support public education and protect Rhode Island workers. We look forward to activating our 12,000 members and their families in support of these candidates.
The Rhode Island Primary is September 13. Vote by mail, early in-person at your City or Town Hall, or on Primary Election Day


I should have done better research , Guess what their not even a union …. But an association and They are set up like the NRA https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/. So clearly someone misrepresented the flyer
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wayne, why isn’t it better for children, if we keep the most talented teachers, regardless of skin color?
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Jim every state runs a debt the nation runs a debt. These are not household and can’t be run as such they need legacy investment looking out many years and generations ahead ….

Attached are the states who have retirements work workers . Many Red And the employees pay their % it’s the state who do not moving money around at the risk of those retirees or they get badly invested

And the Republicans only weaken the middle class by their decades of anti union rhetoric Why the Republican Party Wants to Destroy Labor Unions. The GOP sees unions and their supporters as enemies to be politically and economically destroyed. (But most Americans don’t agree see other attachments)


The right sees unions as a mainstay of the left, a crucial source of cash, campaign manpower and votes.

Yep Jim that’s why Republicans hate unions because Because of the way those in unions tend to vote . They don’t care about the worker their family it’s just that simple and sinister and you’ve bought into the same rational

At a campaign event someone had been attacking both the state teachers union and public employee pension funds.. and

This guy stood up and said ‘My father is a cop, my brother is a cop. They have pensions, I don’t, and it really pisses me off,’ ” Rosenthal recounted. “Damn it, this guy was talking about his father and brother. He was pissed that his own father and brother had pensions.”

It’s sounds like something you would think ?

The comment reflects the success of the Republican strategy of pitting those who see themselves as taxpayers against public sector unions, viewed by many as takers.

Sounds very close to your view on things random? Nope

Wayne, can you answer my question on why it's better for students to be taught by non-white teachers, than to be taught by the best teachers regardless of color? You seem to be going to great lengths to avoid answering that.

As to your debt data, yes all states have debt. Not all have the same debt, not even close...

Here is data from September 2021, ranking states by unfunded debt per capita (per citizen). The 6 states with the highest unfunded debt per capita?

NY
CT
Mass
IL
Alaska
CA

Other than Alaska, what do the rest of those states have in common, in terms of politics?



https://www.governing.com/finance/state-and-local-governments-with-the-most-debt-per-capita

Other than Alaska, what do the rest of those states have in common, in terms of politics?

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The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

What you always leave out, is that the fed (until Trump stopped it), gave residents of high-tax blue states a big federal tax deduction, not available to residents of low-tax red states. I'm referring to what used to be an un-capped deduction for state and local taxes, which is a big federal income tax break for residents of high tax blue states, paid for by people in low tax red states.

Paul, my brother retired after 37 years in education in June. For most of his career, he put 6% of his salary towards his pension, which will pay him 75% of the average of his 3 highest annual salaries, starting at age 59.

That math is a joke.

Compare to social security, where between me and my employer, I contribute 14% of my salary to the plan, and for my age, I'm not eligible until I'm 67, which would be 45 years of service, and I won't get ANYWHERE near 75% of the average of my 3 highest salaries.

I contribute twice as much to SS as he did to his pension, for 8 years longer, to get about one-third of the annual payment that he gets.

The math is stupid. And that's why we are where we are. When you spend more than there is, you get into serious trouble.

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

I am curious to know your opinion on a teacher contract that mandates that skin color be the determining factor in deciding which teachers get fired.

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?





still beating that tired drum?

No, you said that. Scott mentioned a mailer from the teachers union asking people to vote for democrats, and you said thats what PACs do.

A he stated they told members how to vote And the candidates were recommended from the PAC committee

It’s on their web site under News


More General Assembly Endorsements

(August 12, 2022) - The National Education Association Rhode Island Political Action Committee for Education (NEARI-PACE) today announced more candidate endorsements for General Assembly primaries in 2022, rounding out their full slate for the primary. These candidates have demonstrated an alignment with NEARI ideals and will work toward policies to support public education and protect Rhode Island workers. We look forward to activating our 12,000 members and their families in support of these candidates.
The Rhode Island Primary is September 13. Vote by mail, early in-person at your City or Town Hall, or on Primary Election Day


I should have done better research , Guess what their not even a union …. But an association and They are set up like the NRA https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/. So clearly someone misrepresented the flyer
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you have lost your mind...

still beating that tired drum?

Still snarky as ever

What you always leave outdon't know what that has to do with your posting a link to an article about state debt?, is that the fed (until Trump stopped it), gave residents of high-tax blue states a big federal tax deduction, not available to residents of low-tax red states. I'm referring to what used to be an un-capped deduction for state and local taxes, which is a big federal income tax break for residents of high tax blue states, paid for by people in low tax red states.
.

So maybe the states that lag behind in almost every health and welfare category need to start taxing their residents more so they have the funds to help the less fortunate in those states. The SALT deduction would have been available to any state that had an income tax. Instead those states choose not to have an income tax and as a result they don't have the funds to provide clean water and sewers for some of their residents. But the rich in those states do ok.

So maybe the states that lag behind in almost every health and welfare category need to start taxing their residents more so they have the funds to help the less fortunate in those states. The SALT deduction would have been available to any state that had an income tax. Instead those states choose not to have an income tax and as a result they don't have the funds to provide clean water and sewers for some of their residents. But the rich in those states do ok.

"don't know what that has to do with your posting a link to an article about state debt"

It has to do with YOUR statement that debt is driven by imbalance of federal spending. The fact that people in high-tax blue states have always had (and still do have, it's just capped) a huge federal tax break that people in low-tax red states don't get, that fact offsets some of the imbalance you always point to. Also, CT has way more rich people than MS, so wouldn't you expect the federal government to spend more on MS?

"But the rich in those states do ok"

Paul, If the rich states did OK in a broad sense, people would be moving there, instead of moving away. But they aren't, not in the numbers that they're moving to certain places within certain red states. People aren't moving to $600,000 houses in the Nashville suburbs in insane numbers because they expect to drink contaminated water.

Middle class people can move to certain places within certain red states, and not be without ANYTHING that they get in CT, but they pay a whole lot less. You can't make that wrong.

If you're in the top 5% or someone interested in living off welfare, CT is meaningfully better than the red states. For everyone else, the value proposition is better in the booming suburbs of certain red states.

I asked you what services I get in CT that I wouldn't get in a nice suburb in NH, and I believe you said nothing. That's the correct answer.

"don't know what that has to do with your posting a link to an article about state debt"

It has to do with YOUR statement that debt is driven by imbalance of federal spending. Did I say that? I don't think I did.The fact that people in high-tax blue states have always had (and still do have, it's just capped) a huge federal tax break that people in low-tax red states don't get, that fact offsets some of the imbalance you always point to. Also, CT has way more rich people than MS, so wouldn't you expect the federal government to spend more on MS?Prob. has more to do w/the average salary. The lower taxed states could always tax their people more and use that $ to help the poor out but they have chosen not to.


"But the rich in those states do ok"

Paul, If the rich states did OK in a broad sense, people would be moving there, instead of moving away. But they aren't, not in the numbers that they're moving to certain places within certain red states. People aren't moving to $600,000 houses in the Nashville suburbs in insane numbers because they expect to drink contaminated water.

Middle class people can move to certain places within certain red states, and not be without ANYTHING that they get in CT, but they pay a whole lot less. You can't make that wrong.

If you're in the top 5% or someone interested in living off welfare, CT is meaningfully better than the red states. For everyone else, the value proposition is better in the booming suburbs of certain red states.

I asked you what services I get in CT that I wouldn't get in a nice suburb in NH, and I believe you said nothing. That's the correct answer.

And I've replied. It has more to do w/the average/lower income people than you and I. I believe the states that tax their people less don't care about the poor people as much as the states that are willing to tax their people more and take that $ and attempt to make the poor a little better off. That is reflected in the stats which show the higher taxed states have higher rankings in almost all the social services type categories.

And I've replied. It has more to do w/the average/lower income people than you and I. I believe the states that tax their people less don't care about the poor people as much as the states that are willing to tax their people more and take that $ and attempt to make the poor a little better off. That is reflected in the stats which show the higher taxed states have higher rankings in almost all the social services type categories.

ok paul. we were talking about state debt, and then you posted about imbalance of federal spending. Sonic tiny dint being that up in regards to being a caiden of state debt, why did you bring it up?
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And I've replied. It has more to do w/the average/lower income people than you and I. I believe the states that tax their people less don't care about the poor people as much as the states that are willing to tax their people more and take that $ and attempt to make the poor a little better off. .

Yet in uber wealthy CT, the state constantly cuts services to the poor, and instead gives more and more to public sector labor unions, who don’t represent poor people. they represent solidly middle class and upper-middle class people for the most part.

Talk to someone who works for DCF, ask them
if their state funding keeps getting cut.

Poor people in Ct should
unionize.
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ok paul. we were talking about state debt, and then you posted about imbalance of federal spending. Sonic tiny dint being that up in regards to being a caiden of state debt, why did you bring it up?
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??

I brought it up bc you posted the link to show the blue states have more debt than the red states. The red states receive far more fed. $ than the blue states. If every state only received a 1 for 1 return, the blue states would have far less debt (bc of increased tax revenue) vs the red states which would have more either more debt, decreased services or have to increase taxes.

Yet in uber wealthy CT, the state constantly cuts services to the poor, and instead gives more and more to public sector labor unions, who don’t represent poor people. they represent solidly middle class and upper-middle class people for the most part.

Talk to someone who works for DCF, ask them
if their state funding keeps getting cut.

Poor people in Ct should
unionize.
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Don't know about what services have been cut but even if true, CT still leads almost? all red states in services provided which is reflected in the numerous rankings which have already been provided.

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I brought it up bc you posted the link to show the blue states have more debt than the red states. The red states receive far more fed. $ than the blue states. If every state only received a 1 for 1 return, the blue states would have far less debt (bc of increased tax revenue) vs the red states which would have more either more debt, decreased services or have to increase taxes.

Again, you are completely ignoring the offsetting effect of the huge federal tax deduction that residents of blue states get, which must be paid for by residents of red states.

When you ignore facts that refute your argument, I'll admit it bolsters your argument. But I'm not sure that's the proper way to debate things.

The money the state of CT gets from its state income tax, sales tax, and the casinos, should be way more than enough to run the state. It's a tiny state with a relatively wealthy population that doesn't need much in the way of state services compared to most other states with less wealthy citizens. Yet we are drowning in debt. Because we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

If you gave the state of CT a trillion dollars today, tomorrow they'd borrow 2 trillion to give to the unions. That's our problem.

The fed. government takes more from those states in taxes and gives back less on a per capital basis than it does from poor conservative states?

Interesting to see the states most dependent on fed aid:

https://commodity.com/blog/federal-aid-states/

Paul, can you tell me how much more the feds spend per capita in NH, compared to CT?

Because a couple making 150K a year in CT, will pay approximately $8,000 a year to the state in income tax, and if they spend $60k a year on taxable things that's another $3600 a year in sales tax, for a total of $11,600 to the state, which they wouldn't have to pay in NH. You telling me that discrepancies in federal spending per capita, are that large between CT and NH? If the difference isn't that large, then the federal spending gap doesn't explain the difference in debt.

Again, you are completely ignoring the offsetting effect of the huge federal tax deduction that residents of blue states get, which must be paid for by residents of red states.

When you ignore facts that refute your argument, I'll admit it bolsters your argument. But I'm not sure that's the proper way to debate things.

The money the state of CT gets from its state income tax, sales tax, and the casinos, should be way more than enough to run the state. It's a tiny state with a relatively wealthy population that doesn't need much in the way of state services compared to most other states with less wealthy citizens. Yet we are drowning in debt. Because we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

If you gave the state of CT a trillion dollars today, tomorrow they'd borrow 2 trillion to give to the unions. That's our problem.

There is no more salt and yet the blue states lead the red states in almost all good social/welfare categories.

Paul, can you tell me how much more the feds spend per capita in NH, compared to CT?

Because a couple making 150K a year in CT, will pay approximately $8,000 a year to the state in income tax, and if they spend $60k a year on taxable things that's another $3600 a year in sales tax, for a total of $11,600 to the state, which they wouldn't have to pay in NH. You telling me that discrepancies in federal spending per capita, are that large between CT and NH? If the difference isn't that large, then the federal spending gap doesn't explain the difference in debt.

Look it up yourself. Use the google.

Over 1/3 of Kent. GDP is fed spending.

You're ignoring the higher sal. in blue states.

Fed. spending has a mulitplier effect. New sikorsky helicopters means more people working, more taxes, those people go to lunch so more deli workers, more taxes, that extra deli worker pays taxes and buy products, more taxes, those people drive to work so more gas taxes.

We're talking about dif. things (although someone related). You can't just look at 1 aspect and say it's this or it's that based on only 1 thing.

Look it up yourself. Use the google.

Over 1/3 of Kent. GDP is fed spending.

You're ignoring the higher sal. in blue states.

Fed. spending has a mulitplier effect. New sikorsky helicopters means more people working, more taxes, those people go to lunch so more deli workers, more taxes, that extra deli worker pays taxes and buy products, more taxes, those people drive to work so more gas taxes.

We're talking about dif. things (although someone related). You can't just look at 1 aspect and say it's this or it's that based on only 1 thing.

kentucky isn’t a place where people
are flocking. so little point in focusing on it.

you made the claim that federal spending is the cause of the state debt. so why not show me the data?

answer- the data doesn’t show what you want it to show.

you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you. otherwise it’s just a claim.
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kentucky isn’t a place where people
are flocking. so little point in focusing on it. It is indicative of a red state. A bad one but a red state. As valid as bringing NH into a discussion when I've always compared all the blue states to all the red states.

you made the claim that federal spending is the cause of the state debt. so why not show me the data? Did I ever make that claim? Can you show me where I said that? This is the 2nd time you've said I said something that I don't recall saying.

answer- the data doesn’t show what you want it to show.

you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you. otherwise it’s just a claim.
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If NH works for you, you should go there. If another state matches your values, you should move there.

There is no more salt and yet the blue states lead the red states in almost all good social/welfare categories.

bluestatesarebetter.com

If NH works for you, you should go there. If another state matches your values, you should move there.

KY is not indicative of a thriving red state. but you picked it to distort things to for your narrative.

it’s not as valid as bringing NH into it. NH is booming. KY is a rough place. Are New Canaan and Bridgeport comparable? they’re both blue places.

do you have a brain tumor? yes, you did make that claim. you said they may disparities in federal spending is responsible
for huge debt in blue states.

it doesn’t matter if those states work for me. What matters is where people are fleeing, and where they’re moving to, in massive numbers.
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bluestatesarebetter.com

which is precisely why everyone is moving from red states to blue states.
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Pretty soon Jim will have driven everyone else out of Connecticut.
Just let him keep thinking taxes are the reason they’re leaving.
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Pretty soon Jim will have driven everyone else out of Connecticut.
Just let him keep thinking taxes are the reason they’re leaving.
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cost is a big big reason. it’s not always the only reason. but it’s a big part of it. you can’t admit that, because it doesn’t serve The Narrative. lol at the places growling the fastest. It’s just a coincidence that most of them have low taxes?

if weather was the only reason, southern CA would
be receiving a share of them. beautiful weather there.
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I am curious to know your opinion on a teacher contract that mandates that skin color be the determining factor in deciding which teachers get fired.

did anybody answer this question yet?

Pretty soon Jim will have driven everyone else out of Connecticut.
Just let him keep thinking taxes are the reason they’re leaving.
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here, the right wing jerks at CNBC say that the top 5! states that lost population in 2020 were NY, NJ, IL, CA, and CT. what’s the commonality there, Pete? Are those states a mixed bag of red and blue?

And they say, obviously, that taxes are a big reason why people
are moving where they’re moving. not the only reason obviously.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/08/people-fled-from-these-high-tax-states-during-2020.html
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No Jim, it’s obviously you.

🤷#^&♂️
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No Jim, it’s obviously you.

🤷#^&♂️
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sorry i dont have my gibberish to adult english translation book with me.

Pete, there are some things, some policies, some events, in which the right wins over the left. Not every time obviously. But not never.
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Well, it’s said that the best satire has it’s roots in truth.



🤷#^&♂️
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did anybody answer this question yet?

Are you shooting for Jim’s badge, or has he deputized you in his battle for his vision of the American way?
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did anybody answer this question yet?

No (unless calling me names counts as answering). And it's the key question on this issue, all that matters really. So I will re-ask.

Wayne, Pete, Paul, can any of you tell us why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?

Cue the chirping crickets...

did anybody answer this question yet?

Yea the contract doesn’t mention race any where in it

And no where in the same contract does it address Jim’s imaginary scenario . See Below

why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?

it’s specific to lay offs only and seniority if they wanted a performance based system the could have voted on it . But they didn’t

Please who define most talented. The parents? once again you sound as if all teachers are equal.

So which teachers. Gym English or math or Special Ed k1 teachers or high school Male teachers or female Gay who’s better?
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Yea the contract doesn’t mention race any where in it
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IReally?

The contract says that teachers who are not members of "underrepresented groups" are fired before teachers from "underrepresented groups".

But it's not about race.

You can't just say "that's not fair", because liberals did it.

why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?

it’s specific to lay offs only
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Right. So if you need to lay off a teacher, why is skin color the determining factor in who gets laid off, rather than ability.

Right. So if you need to lay off a teacher, why is skin color the determining factor in who gets laid off, rather than ability.

Race isn’t mentioned in the contract

underrepresented could be gay or Trans or veterans you and the white wing media is suggesting it’s a blk vs white issue

Veterans get special treatment on tests and hiring most don’t have An issue with that?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post

Right. So if you need to lay off a teacher, why is skin color, sexual orientation, military service, disability the determining factor in who gets laid off, rather than ability.

US Equal Employment Commission

General Non-Discrimination Policy Tips

State that discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, disability, age (40 or older) or genetic information (including family medical history) is illegal and will not be tolerated.

No (unless calling me names counts as answering). And it's the key question on this issue, all that matters really. So I will re-ask.

Wayne, Pete, Paul, can any of you tell us why it's better for students if they keep non-white teachers, rather than keeping the most talented teachers?

Cue the chirping crickets...

Apparently, you don’t trust the courts to handle this one.
It’s better for your narrative of how hard it is to be a white man in America to whinge endlessly.
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Race isn’t mentioned in the contract

underrepresented could be gay or Trans or veterans you and the white wing media is suggesting it’s a blk vs white issue

Veterans get special treatment on tests and hiring most don’t have An issue with that?

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On the news this morning, proponents for this contract literally defended it along racial lines. They were saying that they needed to have teachers that represented the racial makeup of the schools. So just because it doesn’t use the word race in its wording, that is the intention. This was just on GMA.
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On the news this morning, proponents for this contract literally defended it along racial lines. They were saying that they needed to have teachers that represented the racial makeup of the schools. So just because it doesn’t use the word race in its wording, that is the intention. This was just on GMA.
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TDF, the word “race” isn’t in there. Therefore wayne doesn’t want to talk about it.

The fact that progressives are using the racial aspect of this to defend it, doesn’t matter to him.

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Race isn’t mentioned in the contract

underrepresented could be gay or Trans or veterans you and the white wing media is suggesting it’s a blk vs white issue

Veterans get special treatment on tests and hiring most don’t have An issue with that?

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Federal law does not expressly prohibit using military service to distinguish people for employment. Federal law does expressly prohibit the use of race. So there’s that.
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On the news this morning, proponents for this contract literally defended it along racial lines. They were saying that they needed to have teachers that represented the racial makeup of the schools. So just because it doesn’t use the word race in its wording, that is the intention. This was just on GMA.
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Needed or desired?

Having teachers representative of a schools population is bad?
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Needed or desired?

Having teachers representative of a schools population is bad?
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Hiring or firing along racial lines is bad, no matter how you want to word it or justify it.
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Hiring or firing along racial lines is bad, no matter how you want to word it or justify it.
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bad and blatantly illegal.
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Needed or desired?

Having teachers representative of a schools population is bad?
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not everyone is obsessed over skin pigmentation. Just liberals

Having good teachers is far more important than having teachers whose skin color distribution matches that of the community.

I taught math Pete, in an economically challenged public school in CT. I didnt look like many of my students, It didn’t stop me from being great at it. Teachers need to have mastery of the subject material, have the ability to communicate, love their kids, be engaged with them, and have the fire to avoid getting burned out which is way too common. Skin color doesn’t matter with any of that.

Skin color won’t make a bad or
mediocre teacher, any better. It just won’t.
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not everyone is obsessed over skin pigmentation. Just liberals

Having good teachers is far more important than having teachers whose skin color distribution matches that of the community.

I taught math Pete, in an economically challenged public school in CT. I didnt look like many of my students, It didn’t stop me from being great at it. Teachers need to have mastery of the subject material, have the ability to communicate, love their kids, be engaged with them, and have the fire to avoid getting burned out which is way too common. Skin color doesn’t matter with any of that.

Skin color won’t make a bad or
mediocre teacher, any better. It just won’t.
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Skin color doesn’t matter in America

Black couple in Maryland gets house appraised. Many signs a Black family lives there. Appraisal $472,000. Couple 'whitewashes' house - removes any signs of a Black family, replace with items suggesting White family lives there. Get a second appraisal. $725,000. Lawsuit filed.
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Skin color doesn’t matter in America

Black couple in Maryland gets house appraised. Many signs a Black family lives there. Appraisal $472,000. Couple 'whitewashes' house - removes any signs of a Black family, replace with items suggesting White family lives there. Get a second appraisal. $725,000. Lawsuit filed.
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i don’t know what that case is. i never said there isn’t racism out there. but here’s the difference between us, i feel
racial discrimination is always bad. You think it’s good when liberals do it ( shocker).
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i don’t know what that case is. i never said there isn’t racism out there. but here’s the difference between us, i feel
racial discrimination is always bad. You think it’s good when liberals do it ( shocker).
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So is it worth doing anything about racism or only if it affects whites?

Cause it’s certainly the incidents that affect whites that trigger you….
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