Harvard’s endowment is over $40,000,000.000.00

Instead of asking Harvard to pony up to make college more affordable, we’re going to tax middle class truck drivers and plumbers to foot the bill for student loans that fund the harvard empire.

It gives colleges less incentive to cut costs, not more, when you transfer student loans to the public.

So stupid.

Why do peoplle who have loans today, deserve a gift more than people who just got done paying off their loans?’

It’s exactly backwards.

It’s completely idiotic :rolleyes:
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we’re going to tax middle class truck drivers and plumbers to foot the bill

Why are you against those people kids who are getting 10k wiped cleaned

So now they only owe 80k in student loans


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It’s completely idiotic :rolleyes:
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republicans do plenty of idiotic things.

this is a vote buy that has absolutely zero logic. It incentivized colleges to double the price. Why not, the feds will pick up the tab.

it’s wrong for so many different reasons.
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republicans do plenty of idiotic things.

this is a vote buy that has absolutely zero logic. It incentivized colleges to double the price. Why not, the feds will pick up the tab.

it’s wrong for so many different reasons.
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this is a vote buy

I thought you respected POTUS who keep their campaign promises

so Only liberals go to college and have loans. And are the only Americans getting this relief .

Yep that’s what the Maga universe thinks
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we’re going to tax middle class truck drivers and plumbers to foot the bill

Why are you against those people kids who are getting 10k wiped cleaned

So now they only owe 80k in student loans


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You can't get one right by accident, can you?

Tell me why, if someone voluntarily chose to take out this kind of loan at this time...why are they more deserving of this gift, than others who chose not to go to college, or others who went to college and paid their loans back already. Tell us WHY these people, who owe money today, deserve this money more than anyone else who is struggling for any reason.

Do you not understand, that this gives colleges more reason to raise prices? Just take out bigger loans that will be wiped clean.

You are physically incapable of disagreeing with anything the left does.

Please, tell me what you’d say to somebody who made big sacrifices and just done paying off their student loans?

He’s waiting for the MSNBC story so he can reply to you with the proper talking points.
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He’s waiting for the MSNBC story so he can reply to you with the proper talking points.
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i have a neighbor who’s kid didn’t want to go to college. he took out a small business loan and bought a trailer and some landscaping equipment, owns his own little business

Give me one conceivable reason why a student loan gets forgiven, but not his business loan?

answer - student loans enrich colleges which are huge allies of the democrat party.

this is also a huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the upper class.


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Stand by…..he’s preparing his classic “you’re a sheep” and “spoken like a true MAGA cult member” defense.

If that doesn’t prove you wrong, I don’t know what else will :rolleyes:

Shocking

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Stand by…..he’s preparing his classic “you’re a sheep” and “spoken like a true MAGA cult member” defense.

If that doesn’t prove you wrong, I don’t know what else will :rolleyes:
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you posted a photo once of what it’s like debating with these guys…a cinder block?

it’s stupid for many many reasons.


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Trump saves millions in property taxes by owning a dozen goats & pretending Bedminster is a farm, but GOP wants you to believe relieving student debt is a handout.
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Forgiven PPP loans

Marjorie Taylor Greene: $183,504

Boebert: $233,305

Catholic Church: $3.5 billion

Joel Osteen: $4.4 million

Tom Brady: $960,855

GOP should slink away in shame for attacking Biden for forgiving $10,000 of student debt

But they won’t cuz they have no shame
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MAGA Boomer: At your age I paid off college & bought a house w/hard work

Millennials: At your age college was 3% of median salary—Now its 20%. A median home was $17K—Now its $363K. The top marginal tax rate was 70%—now its 37%. You worked hard—& then closed the door behind you.
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Trump saves millions in property taxes by owning a dozen goats & pretending Bedminster is a farm, but GOP wants you to believe relieving student debt is a handout.
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so it’s not a handout, because trump takes advantage of existing loopholes.

we’re all shocked you pivoted to Trump bashing here pete. Stunned.

There are plenty of democrats who hate this. Sorry,,this one has nothing to do with trump.

Oh, and isn’t that what about-ism? as always, everything is ok when the left does it!
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MAGA Boomer: At your age I paid off college & bought a house w/hard work

Millennials: At your age college was 3% of median salary—Now its 20%. A median home was $17K—Now its $363K. The top marginal tax rate was 70%—now its 37%. You worked hard—& then closed the door behind you.
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loan forgivemess encourages colleges to keep hiking cost. there’s less reason for them to keep costs down now. you don’t see that?

and again, why do student loans get forgiven, but not small business loans taken out by young people who chose not to go to college? i’d live an explanation for that.
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loan forgivemess encourages colleges to keep hiking cost. there’s less reason for them to keep costs down now. you don’t see that?

and again, why do student loans get forgiven, but not small business loans taken out by young people who chose not to go to college? i’d live an explanation for that.
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I have always been a right leaning independent who appreciates most of the republican platforms over my adult life. I am not a democrat. BUT...at 65 years of age (next month) I can clearly see the R party has not done #^&#^&#^&#^& for me. it is all about the small rich in power groups that have survived the fiscal musical chair charade that has existed since I first got in the working world. Politicians don't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about me. Their rules and laws have porked me all along. In divorce court, when I had to give up half my 4o1k and retirement funds. And then had to pay early withdrawal penalty AND taxes when ex did not roll it over. I did not put in for unemployment. Nor did I get a call to apply for PPP, since I couldn't conceive that I would do so on my own... Just did not occur to me. And now all that boondoggle money is forgiven! Just go through the list in your own town and see who got it, sometimes twice, and were forgiven... It is disgusting how there was zero accountability. Note that I did not assign that disaster to a political party... I have paid my taxes. I pay cash for home improvements. We do not have credit card debt or any car loans. We have a mortgage which will likely not be paid off in my lifetime after getting #^&#^&#^&#^&ed by Bank America when they sold off a portion of our loan but held onto the rest of it... Took us 8 years to get out of there. Thieves. Care to assign a political party to that? I can. So I am not in the one percenter group. Nor the ten percent group... And I am resigned and ok with that at this stage of life. I recognize who the scumbags are. This student loan deal is the very first that will directly affect me in a positive way, as I still have about 20k left on my kids' loans and they are almost 30 years old. My ex still has over 100k in her name... Don't care. But the system allowed everyone to take these loans by simply typing on a laptop... And which party appears to have the support of the people who ran those lenders???? The can gets kicked down the road again. And will continue until the government takes away the ability of colleges to rape the population with these outrageous tuitions to support and pay "instructors" who are teaching our youth a bunch of nothing... I am going to take the 10k reduction and recognize it as the first and only piece that has been of direct benefit to me... I have been paying for all the other CRAP for decades so i have zero remorse on this one.

Where is everyone’s outrage when the rich get tax cuts worth billions?

Realistically I see this move doing nothing for the economy.
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Student A owes 80k 2 days ago
Biden offers relief to a small subset of student loans. Now Student A owes 70k. Wow

Then they say it will raise inflation which is nonsense

Case in point my Daughter will get the 10 k debt relief. Her 1 loan is from nelnet all she owes is 7k . So her 113 a month is not a windfall or going to send her on a spending spree. It covers inflation maybe

And I guess there won’t be 1 child of a republican or conservatives who will get any debt relief

But of course the usual suspects will fame it as elitist (. Jim using Harvard as his example) getting money on the backs of the working class

When it’s the working class who can’t afford to go to college with out loans ..

More manufactured outrage from the conservatives sheep networks

Last week outrage over blacks skipping white teachers. now 20k relief for lower income blacks. Over whites.. not a good week for some
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Student A owes 80k 2 days ago
Biden offers relief to a small subset of student loans. Now Student A owes 70k. Wow

Then they say it will raise inflation which is nonsense

Case in point my Daughter will get the 10 k debt relief. Her 1 loan is from nelnet all she owes is 7k . So her 113 a month is not a windfall or going to send her on a spending spree. It covers inflation maybe

And I guess there won’t be 1 child of a republican or conservatives who will get any debt relief

But of course the usual suspects will fame it as elitist (. Jim using Harvard as his example) getting money on the backs of the working class

When it’s the working class who can’t afford to go to college with out loans ..

More manufactured outrage from the conservatives sheep networks

Last week outrage over blacks skipping white teachers. now 20k relief for lower income blacks. Over whites.. not a good week for some
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300 billion is nothing, right. about $1,000 for every human being in the country.

you dodged my question. twice. so here it is a third time

Your daughters 7k loan is wiped out. why does she deserve that,, more than someone else who took out a 7k loan for something other than college? why is she more important?

please answer that question.
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Where is everyone’s outrage when the rich get tax cuts worth billions?

Realistically I see this move doing nothing for the economy.
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you don’t get it. a tax cut is allowing people to keep more of what is theirs. It’s THEIRS. we can debate whether the wealthy pay enough, but that’s what a tax cut is.

This idiotic move, is nothing like that. This is taking money from poorer people and giving it to wealthier people.

Why am i responsible ( after paying off my wife’s masters degree last year with no help from the taxpayers) for someone else’s debt? They borrowed the money, it’s their obligation, not mine.
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Where is everyone’s outrage when the rich get tax cuts worth billions?

Realistically I see this move doing nothing for the economy.
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student loan debt forgivemess applies tom individuals earning less than 125k or families earning less than 250.

a family making 250k needs to transfer the burden of their loans to poor working people? you’re ok with that?
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For Christ's sake, Jim, since when did you start writing checks for my student loan??? Mail has come. Don't see your payment. Talking rubbish and taking zero accountability despite saying you do not respect Trump as a person.

Paul S, on the school choice discussion you said you were adamantly opposed to using your tax dollars to subsidize private schools. Can we assume then, that you are therefore equally opposed to student loan forgiveness, which will send tens of billions of dollars to enrich private schools?

You are irresponsible in your posts. Quote me properly. "This" is not "his" so it will not be put in a political context. This is a write off... YOU are not writing a check directly for this write off. It is a governmental accounting practice. You will not be writing a check with a memo that says "deadbeat student loan debit" anymore than you will be writing the check for the HIMARS being sent to Ukraine. Face the fact that politics and politicians are crooked. Yours. Mine. Everyone of them. So until you get my student loan forgiveness bill, STFU.

Stand by…..he’s preparing his classic “you’re a sheep” and “spoken like a true MAGA cult member” defense.

If that doesn’t prove you wrong, I don’t know what else will :rolleyes:

Shocking

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You were 100% right, he finally responded and said it was fake outrage from the sheep. That was the best he could do.

Biden’s Student-Debt Bonfire Is a Classist Message to the Uncredentialed: Screw ’Em

Like I said republicans are trying to twist this as some elites scam of hard working minimum wage Americans whom republicans think don’t deserve 15.00 an hour and are using the working class as victims .

So disconnected that these workers who are construction workers or work factories . Or at the deli counter
Aspire for their kids to be more then them .

I was in the military and corrections officer not really by my choice but because my parents couldn’t pay for college on their own just like with my children 1 who needed loans to go to school and the other who joined the Air Force to pay for his ( which the tax payer’s pay)

Thus helps the middle and lower income people and Republicans can’t stand it .. because they might vote . But not for them
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You were 100% right, he finally responded and said it was fake outrage from the sheep. That was the best he could do.

You 2 do hate the Truth
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Paul S, on the school choice discussion you said you were adamantly opposed to using your tax dollars to subsidize private schools. Can we assume then, that you are therefore equally opposed to student loan forgiveness, which will send tens of billions of dollars to enrich private schools?

I am actually.

I think it would have been better to just continue wiping out debt for those who went to those scam for private schools (which where protected by the Rep. party)

You 2 do hate the Truth
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4th time, why is it important for all of us to pay back your daughters loan, yet you feel
no obligation to pay off the small business loan taken out by the 18 year old who lives next door to me.

Why is forgiving your loans more important to the american public, than forgiving his loan?

The “truth” is, that’s what just happened. So why can’t you tell us why it’s a good idea?
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I am actually.

then in all seriousness and zero sarcasm,,you have the courage of your convictions, and i admire that.
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you don’t get it. a tax cut is allowing people to keep more of what is theirs. It’s THEIRS. we can debate whether the wealthy pay enough, but that’s what a tax cut is.


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you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they can't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy?

Biden’s Student-Debt Bonfire Is a Classist Message to the Uncredentialed: Screw ’Em

Like I said republicans are trying to twist this as some elites scam of hard working minimum wage Americans whom republicans think don’t deserve 15.00 an hour and are using the working class as victims .

So disconnected that these workers who are construction workers or work factories . Or at the deli counter
Aspire for their kids to be more then them .

I was in the military and corrections officer not really by my choice but because my parents couldn’t pay for college on their own just like with my children 1 who needed loans to go to school and the other who joined the Air Force to pay for his ( which the tax payer’s pay)

Thus helps the middle and lower income people and Republicans can’t stand it .. because they might vote . But not for them
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helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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Like I said republicans are trying to twist this

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THE HILL Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers on Monday cautioned the Biden administration against extending the moratorium on federal student loan repayments and knocked “unreasonably generous student loan relief” he said could worsen inflation.
Summers rejected comparisons between student debt proposals and other instances in the recent past in which the federal government intervened with economic relief measures.

“There is no analogy with bank bailouts. Student loans are grants that cost the government money,” Summers said. “The bank bailouts were loans at premium interest in which the government turned a profit.”
Summers also noted that he was “not enthused” when the federal government offered “Paycheck Protection Loans” to small businesses during the economic upheaval of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“But, at the time it was extended, the economy was in the worst free fall in a century. Now, job openings are at record rates,” he added.

“I think the best way to relieve student debt would be to allow it to be discharged in bankruptcy,” Summers said. “I’d support this reform. It would also penalize other private creditors, unlike government debt relief that would in part subsidize them.”

you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....

Wrongly accused. Show me where I fit in to your narrative, please.

they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they cab't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy? Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME in your political narrative, and your gross generalizations are showing your lack of insight for your argument.

Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME

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I didn't even know you were here...

Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME i



I was responding to Jim responding to Eben,,,,,,lay off the coffee

300 billion is nothing, right. about $1,000 for every human being in the country.

you dodged my question. twice. so here it is a third time

Your daughters 7k loan is wiped out. why does she deserve that,, more than someone else who took out a 7k loan for something other than college? why is she more important?

please answer that question.
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Jim you are an angry man .

And only an angry man would frame this issues as us against them

You seem to be making a standard for deserving.. when income is the only standard being used .



This relief isn’t about deserving or not deserving but you conveniently make it about that when you disagree ..


Does my son deserve to get his college paid because he served? Do I deserve hearing aids because of being blown up in Iraq .

No. neither of deserve those benefits provided. Just because we wore a uniform . We are entitled under the laws written Just like anyone whos getting this relief 99.9 % are thankful for the help . The other .01 may think they deserve it but they would be wrong

I just don’t view the word in such a distorted view

But you have no issues with vouchers for private schools . Never hear you say anything like why do they deserve to go to a private school . Do you feel families who own million dollar ocean front homes that get destroyed by hurricanes . Get rebuilt by government money
Never hear why do they deserve government assistance?

The GOP is just a childish driven party based on culture war division
Void of anything policy driven except the lower taxes mantra for the rich. I guess they are deserving of their tax reduction and the working class should STFU about that . Because without them you’d have no job
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Again, YOU have wrongly represented ME in your political narrative, and your gross generalizations are showing your lack of insight for your argument.



I love the passion with which this was written though....too funny:rotf2:

Jim you are an angry man .

And only an angry man would frame....

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great way to frame an angry response to Jim...:)

helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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I bet you think they are in the majority right! Getting 10 in relief

But keep focusing you arguments on the possible 1% marking over 250k. And ignore the majority
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1231771]helps lower and middle income people? the income cap for families is $250,000.
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This program will completely erase the student debt of about 20 million.

20 million AMERICANS. Which includes republicans democrats independent all races and religions

And yet Republicans are upset

Let that soak in they are upset that 20 million people will have a few extra bucks to put back into their families
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Do I deserve hearing aids because of being blown up in Iraq .


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this is almost exactly like partying in college for four years and hopefully getting a degree and then not wanting to pay for the loans someone promised to pay...

great comparison....:scream:

you'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people....

the folks with student loans got the degree(product) presumably or some education, room and board...., now they decided they don't want to pay for it despite promising to pay for it....they should have to give back all or part of the degree(I don't think they can return the food and housing they consumed) if they don't want to pay for it....

student loan payments have been paused for more than two years....and will continue to be paused till December....and they can't pay their student loans in brandon's fabulous economy?

Scott, did you ever have a student loan?

this is almost exactly like partying in college for four years and hopefully getting a degree and then not wanting to pay for the loans someone promised to pay...

great comparison....:scream:

Yep you’re on the wagon of only partying college students are the ones getting this relief

But I guess in your world view there are no students who’s have paid 90 k back . of the hundred k they borrowed ?

But They are partying losers for getting their last 10k relived .

I don’t consider Deserve and entitled as being same thing.


Ps who are all these people who don’t want to pay their loans back?

Oh wait that’s what you’ve been told is happening..

I bet. You think the 15% min corporate tax increases is a tax increase on you because that’s what you were told

Top Republican Tax-Writer Falsely Claims that Minimum Tax for Huge Corporations Is a Tax Hike on Middle-Class

See a trend
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Scott, did you ever have a student loan?

yes, why does that matter?

Yep you’re on the wagon of only partying college students are the ones getting this relief

But I guess in your world view there are no students who’s have paid 90 k back . of the hundred k they borrowed ?

But They are partying losers for getting their last 10k relived .

I don’t consider Deserve and entitled are being same thing.
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I actually didn't say any of this....

I just realized why so many trumpers are loosing their minds over this.

THEY DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE
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yes, why does that matter?

BC I just wondering if you understand the burden of college loans.

I thought you mon was a Dr. So how much did you have in loans?

I actually didn't say any of this....

I forgot You never say anything or imply anything ever .
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BC I just wondering if you understand the burden of college loans.

You're mom was a Dr. right so how much did you have in loans?

Every loan, not just college loans, is a burden, right?

Why college loans? Why not make us help other people with other kinds of loans?

People who make 250k a year need our help to pay off student loan debt? Schools with massive endowments need our help to stay flush with cash?

I don't get it. I get where pro-abortion people are coming from, I get where anti-gun people are coming from...this issue might be the stupidest idea in 100 years.

Why is the burden of a college loan more important than the burden of a mortgage? Or the burden of a car loan?

You wanted something, you borrowed the money to get it, now you have to pay it back. It’s really that simple.
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I just realized why so many trumpers are loosing their minds over this.

THEY DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE
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C’mon, you’re smarter than this. :rolleyes:
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Every loan, not just college loans, is a burden, right?

Why college loans? Why not make us help other people with other kinds of loans?

People who make 250k a year need our help to pay off student loan debt? Schools with massive endowments need our help to stay flush with cash?some endowments require schools to only use the funds for certain things - like prof. salaries or maintenance of buildings or funding of labs so the $ can't be used how ever the school wants.

I don't get it. I get where pro-abortion people are coming from, I get where anti-gun people are coming from...this issue might be the stupidest idea in 100 years.

All loans are a burden.

We do give mortg. interest deductions. Only benefits some and not others like renters.

C’mon, you’re smarter than this. :rolleyes:
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Did you go to college ?
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All loans are a burden.

We do give mortg. interest deductions. Only benefits some and not others like renters.

renters are not paying a loan....not sure how that fits into "all loans are a burden"

All loans are a burden.

We do give mortg. interest deductions. Only benefits some and not others like renters.

We also used to at least, give student loan interest deductions. This isn't that. Not even close.

renters are not paying a loan....not sure how that fits into "all loans are a burden"

a select few benefit. Not renters in this case. The gov. subsidized my purchase of my house but doesn't provide a similar benefit to renters.

Our tax code (and other policies) picks winners and losers.

Did you go to college ?
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Nope, I went into the military out of HS. Although I did enroll in a certificate program and earned a certificate in Data Communications at Northeastern University when I got out.

Point???
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a select few benefit. Not renters in this case. The gov. subsidized my purchase of my house but doesn't provide a similar benefit to renters.

Our tax code (and other policies) picks winners and losers.

you keep making less sense ....

you keep making less sense ....

Do you think I've ever cared what you think?

Your a snarky troll who is such a #^&#^&#^&#^& that he would actually point out typos.

If you’re a Christian and mad about the possibility of student loan debt being canceled, let me remind you that your entire religion is based on a debt you couldn’t pay that someone stepped in and paid for you.
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We also used to at least, give student loan interest deductions. This isn't that. Not even close.

he's arguing that we should do the right thing and create even more unfairness.....

Do you think I've ever cared what you think?

Your a snarky troll who is such a #^&#^&#^&#^& that he would actually point out typos.

it's not my fault that you don't make sense...if insulting me makes you feel better...I forgive you

it's not my fault that you don't make sense...if insulting me makes you feel better...I forgive you

I lobbed up a typo for you. I would have thought you would be all over it so it could put a smile on your face.

I lobbed up a typo for you.

Probably wasn’t funny or ironic….
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he's arguing that we should do the right thing and create even more unfairness.....

Didn’t you ever learn, life’s not fair
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I was responding to Jim responding to Eben,,,,,,lay off the coffee

No, Scott. You are wrong. You, again, used a generalization about a specific group into which I would be a member of; people who took out student loans. Period. Done. You can't change that. You made the statement. Have the balls to stand by it, even amend it. But don't insult me for pointing out a response to your statement.

No, Scott. You are wrong. You, again, used a generalization about a specific group into which I would be a member of; people who took out student loans. Period. Done. You can't change that. You made the statement. Have the balls to stand by it, even amend it. But don't insult me for pointing out a response to your statement.

I cannot believe Scott has any issue with people who took out student loans, my wife and I both did. And I don't have an issue with anyone taking advantage of this program if they are eligible. Personally, I have issues with people who have felt entitled to this and advocated for it.

For most Americans, a strong system of public education is a core value.

Extremists want to destroy that in any and all forms.

Don’t let them.

As a Boomer myself, my generation didn't work hard to get the benefits we had, our parents & grandparents did. They didn't say "I didn't have that so why should you?" They said, "I want better for the next generations." Their boomer kids said "I'm good. Ef’m!”
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i have a neighbor who’s kid didn’t want to go to college. he took out a small business loan and bought a trailer and some landscaping equipment, owns his own little business

Give me one conceivable reason why a student loan gets forgiven, but not his business loan?

answer - student loans enrich colleges which are huge allies of the democrat party.

this is also a huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the upper class.


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Gonna run up the BS flag on you here. First you need to back up your answer with facts about how student loans and their forgiveness directly enrich colleges. I am sure you can come up with bullet proof documentation... And secondly, let's pull the name of the kid's landscaping business and the town he is in. I will put money down that he got a PPP loan, and maybe two, since forgiven, that would be twice what i made during those two years. Tell me how that loan was more deserving please....

$800 Billion in the PPP boondoggle makes this look like well spent chump change. The #^&#^&#^&#^& people get crazy about and they conveniently forget when they benefitted from going to the well.....

No, Scott. You are wrong. You, again, used a generalization about a specific group into which I would be a member of; people who took out student loans. Period. Done. You can't change that. You made the statement. Have the balls to stand by it, even amend it. But don't insult me for pointing out a response to your statement.

are you drunk?

I didn't respond to you...I responded to Jim

I took out student loans and paid them off, I married someone who had student loans and we paid them off, I have two kids in college who have student loans and we will pay them off...

get over yourself tough guy....I never insulted you...

...I didn't even know you were here:hihi:

.. And secondly, let's pull the name of the kid's landscaping business and the town he is in. I will put money down that he got a PPP loan, and maybe two, since forgiven, that would be twice what i made during those two years. Tell me how that loan was more deserving please....

so weak,,,,,,,

I have friends in Canada, where college tuition runs <9K (in American $), everyone has health insurance & maternity leave lasts a year. Also, abortion is both legal & publicly funded.
Debt, nah, it’s less
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are you drunk?

I didn't respond to you...I responded to Jim

I took out student loans and paid them off, I married someone who had student loans and we paid them off, I have two kids in college who have student loans and we will pay them off...

get over yourself tough guy....I never insulted you...

...I didn't even know you were here:hihi:


I have two kids in college who have student loans and we will pay them off...

Minus 10K each? because this could apply to their loans :cheers2:

$800 Billion in the PPP boondoggle makes this look like well spent chump change. The #^&#^&#^&#^& people get crazy about and they conveniently forget when they benefitted from going to the well.....

i didn’t like PPP either, but that was done to save jobs that weren’t lost by anyone’s choice, they were lost because the government shut them down.

the government didn’t force anybody to take out any student loans.

why should a poor person struggling every month, bear the burden of someone making 250k who chose to take out loans? other then the fact that you like that you’re benefitting, what’s the logic?
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Gonna run up the BS flag on you here. First you need to back up your answer with facts about how student loans and their forgiveness directly enrich colleges. I am sure you can come up with bullet proof documentation... And secondly, let's pull the name of the kid's landscaping business and the town he is in. I will put money down that he got a PPP loan, and maybe two, since forgiven, that would be twice what i made during those two years. Tell me how that loan was more deserving please....

call back all you want.

government-backed loans are a huge boon to colleges. The college has absolutely zero risk because they get their money up front.

economics 101. cheap money makes prices higher.

this will make it way worse. kids will
assume future loans will
be transferred away from
them, so why not take out a stupid loan?

i don’t have documentation. it’s common sense. if students were forced to rely on savings, colleges would be forced to lower prices.

you can’t win this one with logic. because there isn’t any to support it. it’s a vote buying transfer of wealth that will benefit affluent people
far more than it will benefit poor people.

business owners were victims of ( it turns out) stupid state governments shutting down the economy. the business owners didn’t choose to shut down the economy
.

your kids chose to take out the loans. big, big difference.
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Minus 10K each? because this could apply to their loans :cheers2:



how would that be wayne?...is this going to be permanent for loans going forward into the future? are all future college students going to be able to count on brandon knocking 10 grand off their total? do the kids that continued to pay their loans during the time the loans were not being repaid over the last few years get a refund for being responsible?

how would that be wayne?...is this going to be permanent for loans going forward into the future? are all future college students going to be able to count on brandon knocking 10 grand off their total? do the kids that continued to pay their loans during the time the loans were not being repaid over the last few years get a refund for being responsible?

Seems if they have a government loans from the programs listed .
why shouldn’t they qualify. That’s all.


And most who are qualified to get the 10k waved . Haven’t stopped paying their loans or suddenly going to stop paying what they owe.

Many have stopped paying the past and many will in the future . But that’s with any loan
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Millions in covid aid went to retrain veterans. Only 397 landed jobs.
Nearly $400 million went to a veteran retraining program as part of the American Rescue Plan

Not sure why Republicans aren’t outraged over that. Or dems f
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Seems if they have a government loans from the programs listed .
why shouldn’t they qualify. That’s all.


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They are still in school….
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They are still in school….
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I guess they haven’t graduated and gotten all those high paying Gender Studies jobs they are trained for
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comparing this to PPP forgiveness is wrong. When people took that PPP money, the agreement was that it would
not have to be repaid if the business owner used most to pay employees and if they agreed to hire employees back after the lockdowns ended. It was not set up as a loan to be repaid

With student loans, the borrowers promised to repay borrowed money.

Just do what you said you’d do, and keep your entitled hands out of my wallet.

No comparison.
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Ah the outrage

They are still in school….
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didn't think still being in school (college ) stopped anyone from getting relief . Many people got the relief who never finished school

:want:Ah the outrage

comparing this to PPP forgiveness is wrong. When people took that PPP money, the agreement was that it would
not have to be repaid if the business owner used most to pay employees and if they agreed to hire employees back after the lockdowns ended. It was not set up as a loan to be repaid

With student loans, the borrowers promised to repay borrowed money.

Just do what you said you’d do, and keep your entitled hands out of my wallet.

No comparison.
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They came into their riches by participating in what experts say is the theft of as much as $80 billion — or about 10 percent — of the $800 billion handed out in a Covid relief plan known as the Paycheck Protection Program, or PPP. That’s on top of the $90 billion to $400 billion believed to have been stolen from the $900 billion Covid unemployment relief program — at least half taken by fraudsters


yep its funny to see your comparisons . then claim there's no comparison

Bidens committing Theft of hard working americans giving liberals loan relief in your eyes and republican messaging ..

But you and your party are more concerned about hunters Laptop then recovering all this taxpayer Money

Why is That?

They came into their riches by participating in what experts say is the theft of as much as $80 billion — or about 10 percent — of the $800 billion handed out in a Covid relief plan known as the Paycheck Protection Program, or PPP. That’s on top of the $90 billion to $400 billion believed to have been stolen from the $900 billion Covid unemployment relief program — at least half taken by fraudsters


yep its funny to see your comparisons . then claim there's no comparison

Bidens committing Theft of hard working americans giving liberals loan relief in your eyes and republican messaging ..

But you and your party are more concerned about hunters Laptop then recovering all this taxpayer Money

Why is That?

PPP wasnt a loan that businesses agreed to pay back. the agreement was that it wouldnt have to be repaid if conditions were met.

Student loans were a contract that stipulated repayment. Everyone who took out a loan, including my wife and i, chose to do so

Student loans are nothing like PPP.
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didn't think still being in school (college ) stopped anyone from getting relief .

think about how stupid this is....

Many people got the relief who never finished school



if you didn't finish school but took out loans, you still have to pay the loans because you went to school with the money for the loans...

Today in the U.S., corporations will steal $137 million in wages, rich people will steal $2.75 billion in taxes, and 1,300 people will die from poverty, air pollution, and medical error. Think about who benefits from the news ignoring this and focusing on student loan relief instead.
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PPP wasnt a loan that businesses agreed to pay back. the agreement was that it wouldnt have to be repaid if conditions were met.

Student loans were a contract that stipulated repayment. Everyone who took out a loan, including my wife and i, chose to do so

Student loans are nothing like PPP.
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Sure, sure. The SBA made a mistake when they utilized the words; "loan(s)" and "borrower(s)" in their literature and on their website... You never bother to look under the other side of the coin.
How about you give me the name of the company/person you work for and the town/city it/they are located.... I will send you mine if you would like to see how much PPP I put in for. I lost a ton of respect for some locals who took, took, took on this program, yet were billing and working at all time throughout.

I lost a ton of respect for some locals who took, took, took on this program, yet were billing and working at all time throughout.

this is what happens when government throws money around...

brandon bucks right before an election.....

they'd be the first in line and applying for the student debt "relief"

I hope everyone isn't too disappointed when this doesn't survive legal challenges....

then they can claim our legal system is "broke"....:rotf2:

Sure, sure. The SBA made a mistake when they utilized the words; "loan(s)" and "borrower(s)" in their literature and on their website... You never bother to look under the other side of the coin.

.

as he pointed out...it was a loan with conditions...

"the agreement was that it wouldn't have to be repaid if conditions were met."

think about how stupid this is....

Looks like your dodging the simple question

If your kids have government college loans that qualified for the 10 relief. Or not?

Still being in school is irrelevant to getting the relief

Unless you’re saying their still in high school and I miss read

But I have two kids in college who have student loans
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Looks like your dodging the simple question

If your kids have government college loans that qualified for the 10 relief. Or not?

Still being in school is irrelevant to getting the relief

Unless you’re saying their still in high school and I miss read

But I have two kids in college who have student loans
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I didn't dodge the question....

if you are still in school(college) and not making payments on your student loans yet, why do you need relief from payment on your student loans?

I didn't dodge the question....

if you are still in school(college) and not making payments on your student loans yet, why do you need relief from payment on your student loans?

Found this hope it helps

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/student-loans/biden-cancels-10k-in-student-debt-heres-who-gets-it

Question

I’m headed to college or a current student. Will my loans be forgiven, too?
Yes, but only on loans disbursed by June 30, 2022.
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[QUOTE=scottw;1231913]I didn't dodge the question....

if you are still in school(college) and not making payments on your student loans yet, why do you need relief from payment on your student loans?[/QUOTE

Found this hope it helps

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/student-loans/biden-cancels-10k-in-student-debt-heres-who-gets-it

Question

I’m headed to college or a current student. Will my loans be forgiven, too?
Yes, but only on loans disbursed by June 30, 2022.
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I asked you a question…why don’t you answer it?
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[QUOTE=wdmso;1231916]

I asked you a question…why don’t you answer it?
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this question

if you are still in school(college) and not making payments on your student loans yet, why do you need relief from payment on your student loans?


If they want or need it or they don’t want or need the 10k relief it is up to the person.

Need or want are Not a condition of the program apply or don’t apply



I asked. If your kids have federal student loans will they get 10k in Relief or they won’t. Not a complex question.

if it is to personal just say so .


You can be against the the program and have your kids benefit .

10k off 50k in loans doesn’t seem like much. But 10 off 25k or if you only have 10k or less that’s a huge light at the end of the tunnel.

My daughter is in that spot now she’s been paying back her loans for the last 5 years has 7k left and when she gets the relief. It will benefit her household income at a time she’s having her 1st child

And if this program didn’t come along she would still be paying her loan like millions of other Americans

It’s just wrong to portray people getting this relive as deadbeats or losers . As if they are refusing to pay back the loans they signed up for ..

But that’s Conservatives for you
Turning this it to working class vs the elite..

When the truth is it’s the working class stiff children are the ones who need federal students loans to go to school and the lion share getting the relief
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[QUOTE=scottw;1231920]
this question

if you are still in school(college) and not making payments on your student loans yet, why do you need relief from payment on your student loans?


If they want or need it or they don’t want or need the 10k relief it is up to the person.

Need or want are Not a condition of the program apply or don’t apply



I asked. If your kids have federal student loans will they get 10k in Relief or they won’t. Not a complex question.

if it is to personal just say so .


You can be against the the program and have your kids benefit .

10k off 50k in loans doesn’t seem like much. But 10 off 25k or if you only have 10k or less that’s a huge light at the end of the tunnel.

My daughter is in that spot now she’s been paying back her loans for the last 5 years has 7k left and when she gets the relief. It will benefit her household income at a time she’s having her 1st child

And if this program didn’t come along she would still be paying her loan like millions of other Americans

It’s just wrong to portray people getting this relive as deadbeats or losers . As if they are refusing to pay back the loans they signed up for ..

But that’s Conservatives for you
Turning this it to working class vs the elite..

When the truth is it’s the working class stiff children are the ones who need federal students loans to go to school and the lion share getting the relief
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this is idiocy......

my kids don't need relieff from their student loan payments because they are not paying on their student loans....

I have twin 18 year olds....one just left for college...according to you she is eligible for "relief" from the strain of her student loan payments and she's only been in college for a week

what sense does that make?

her twin chose not to attend college this fall but may in the spring semester of perhaps next fall

according to you she will not be eligible for "relief" from the strain of the student loans that she's not paying yet
Will my loans be forgiven, too?
Yes, but only on loans disbursed by June 30, 2022.

so a kid entering college now is eligible but a kid entering college next year won't be? or maybe we will just continue this stupidity?

this is a joke and a shameless handout to buy votes.....

I don't know if my daughters will apply for the "relief", we haven't discussed it...you'd have to ask them...they are adults

[QUOTE=scottw;1231920]
this question



My daughter is in that spot now she’s been paying back her loans for the last 5 years has 7k left and when she gets the relief. It will benefit her household income at a time she’s having her 1st child

And if this program didn’t come along she would still be paying her loan like millions of other Americans


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so you are saying she's paying her loans but it will be nice for Biden to maker her loan payment suddenly disappear.....like a gift...from someone you never met.....

Brandon should send Americans with car loans 10 grand...imagine how happy those people will be to have their car loan payments suddenly disappear....maybe they can all buy electric cars

But that’s Conservatives for you

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you know that there are democrats that oppose this...right?

Is someone triggered…..
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Is someone triggered…..
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nope, just think it's a really dumb idea...and pretty transparent...I guess the "national emergency" is that democrats might lose the house in November:rotf2:

nope, just think it's a really dumb idea...and pretty transparent...I guess the "national emergency" is that democrats might lose the house in November:rotf2:

https://media.tenor.com/images/63e8506e29b3903bcbad8d9b72940dc7/tenor.gif
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Bingo Bango Bongo

Looks like another Republican candidate has removed abortion language from his website.

This time it’s Tom Barrett, who is challenging Elissa Slotkin for a U.S. House seat in Michigan.
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Americans:
•Cancel student debt!
•Cancel medical debt!
•Make insulin free!

Most of Developed World:
•What is student debt?
•What is medical debt?
•Insulin is already free!

What GOP call “socialism”—even conservative parties in most developed nations call a “human right.”
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you know that there are democrats that oppose this...right?

Yep but not all for the reasons
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[QUOTE=wdmso;1231938]

so you are saying she's paying her loans but it will be nice for Biden to maker her loan payment suddenly disappear.....like a gift...from someone you never met.....

Brandon should send Americans with car loans 10 grand...imagine how happy those people will be to have their car loan payments suddenly disappear....maybe they can all buy electric cars

Still won’t answer a simple question

But changed the subject again

Why am I not surprised
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[QUOTE=wdmso;1231938]

this is idiocy......

my kids don't need relieff from their student loan payments because they are not paying on their student loans....

I have twin 18 year olds....one just left for college...according to you she is eligible for "relief" from the strain of her student loan payments and she's only been in college for a week

what sense does that make?

her twin chose not to attend college this fall but may in the spring semester of perhaps next fall

according to you she will not be eligible for "relief" from the strain of the student loans that she's not paying yet
Will my loans be forgiven, too?
Yes, but only on loans disbursed by June 30, 2022.

so a kid entering college now is eligible but a kid entering college next year won't be? or maybe we will just continue this stupidity?

this is a joke and a shameless handout to buy votes.....

I don't know if my daughters will apply for the "relief", we haven't discussed it...you'd have to ask them...they are adults


stop crying like your a victim ! poor me .. but but but

This isn’t fair. Why because it’s doesn’t benefit you.. or will possibly benefit 1 not the other child .





Do not see much outrage with GOP hand outs or claims of idiocy with their tax cuts and their fairness

seems Trump keeping his campaign promises are just that

But Biden keeping his campaign promises are buying votes

conservatives logic hard at work.

What the old saying Timing is everything
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wdmso, here’s a really crazy idea…you pay for your college education, and I’ll pay for mine, and if either of us chooses not to go to college, they don’t have to pay for college

It’s just crazy enough to work.
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I’ll take the party offering $10,000 to low and middle class Americans with student loan debt over the party offering $10,000 in bounties for people who capture women seeking an abortion any day.
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They can both go in the crapper, if you ask me

[QUOTE=wdmso;1231954][QUOTE=scottw;1231940]


stop crying like your a victim ! poor me .. but but but

This isn’t fair. Why because it’s doesn’t benefit you.. or will possibly benefit 1 not the other child .


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It’s not about being a victim or unfairness it’s just dumb….

I’ll take the party offering $10,000 to low and middle class Americans with student loan debt over the party offering $10,000 in bounties for people who capture women seeking an abortion any day.
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is 250k a year low or middle class?

Army probates are forced to give money to families making 250k a year. is that progressive or regressive?

this sums up the tears of student loan haters myopic view of the world

Forgiving student loans has sparked quite the debate over fairness in public policy decisions. Those who are critical of the forgiveness of up to $20,000 feel it is not fair to those who never went to college or who already paid their college loans.
When you think about it, not many policies affect everyone equally. For example, I pay a Medicare premium based on my income. However, I am pretty healthy and never receive medical benefits equivalent to my premium contributions. I am sure others in my premium range receive benefits that are many multiples of my contribution. I also pay a large portion of my property taxes to support public education, although I currently have no children in school. My house has never caught on fire and hence I have never needed to call the Fire Department. Yet, part of my taxes that I have paid for over 50 years goes to support fire departments. I could give example after example. I could view this an unfair. However, society as a whole benefits when its members receive health care and are educated and have fire departments to limit fire damage. Hence, I do benefit from these policies.
After World War II, U.S. taxpayers funded the GI bill that paid tuition for white veterans (talk about unfairness—veterans of color were excluded) to attend the college or trade school of their choice. Millions took advantage of this. And, over their careers, they paid back in taxes many multiples of the benefits they were given. Not every individual was qualified for this program—in fact only a small percent did. However, society as a whole benefitted, not just in the tax dollars that were paid back, but in the contributions these educated citizens made through their work.
I will give one final example. During the early years of the current pandemic, the federal government developed the Payback Protection Program that enabled many businesses to continue to pay their employees and hence to continue their business operations. This benefitted both the businesses and their employees. As a retired person, I received no benefit from this, except that I do benefit when businesses remain operational and when employees continue to be able to support themselves. I am betting that many employees who benefitted from these payments did not go to college and hence did not incur student loans.
Over 10 millions businesses received these PPP loans with an average of $72,500 per loan. All—ALL— of these amounts have now been forgiven. If my math is correct, this totals over $740 million forgiven.
Under the Student Loan forgiveness program, only the first $10,000 for some people and only the first $20,000 for others is being forgiven. Obviously, this is far less per loan than the $72,500 per loan under the PPP. Forty three million Americans will benefit from the student loan forgiveness program. I long ago paid back my student loans. I could view this as being unfair to me. However, I benefit when 43 million people are in a better financial position. This allows them to more fully participate in our consumer economy by buying houses and all the things that go with that (furniture, appliances, etc.). This allows them to save for retirement.
I would ask those who are critical of the loan forgiveness program to think of the public policies that benefit you, but not everyone else. Certainly there are many.
We are a society. We all benefit when others are stronger and more successful.

is 250k a year low or middle class?

Army probates are forced to give money to families making 250k a year. is that progressive or regressive?



of course Jim picks the least likely outcome .. and presents it as the Norm not the exception

FYI the Army gets paid via the taxpayers they also get their housing subsidized by the government BHA starts at 2900 bucks a month for an e 5 and tops out at $5,037 in Boston

I know a lot of people who have had their homes paid for via the taxpayers and its cost them nothing out of pocket


Hell I know 1 person who just made a 100k of the sale of his home which the government BHA basic housing allotment paid his entire mortgage.. and his friend who are not married are forced to live in on base housing and do not get an extra 2900 bucks to buy a home

its not fair but thats the system

this sums up the tears of student loan haters myopic view of the world

Forgiving student loans has sparked quite the debate over fairness in public policy decisions. Those who are critical of the forgiveness of up to $20,000 feel it is not fair to those who never went to college or who already paid their college loans.
When you think about it, not many policies affect everyone equally. For example, I pay a Medicare premium based on my income. However, I am pretty healthy and never receive medical benefits equivalent to my premium contributions. I am sure others in my premium range receive benefits that are many multiples of my contribution. I also pay a large portion of my property taxes to support public education, although I currently have no children in school. My house has never caught on fire and hence I have never needed to call the Fire Department. Yet, part of my taxes that I have paid for over 50 years goes to support fire departments. I could give example after example. I could view this an unfair. However, society as a whole benefits when its members receive health care and are educated and have fire departments to limit fire damage. Hence, I do benefit from these policies.
After World War II, U.S. taxpayers funded the GI bill that paid tuition for white veterans (talk about unfairness—veterans of color were excluded) to attend the college or trade school of their choice. Millions took advantage of this. And, over their careers, they paid back in taxes many multiples of the benefits they were given. Not every individual was qualified for this program—in fact only a small percent did. However, society as a whole benefitted, not just in the tax dollars that were paid back, but in the contributions these educated citizens made through their work.
I will give one final example. During the early years of the current pandemic, the federal government developed the Payback Protection Program that enabled many businesses to continue to pay their employees and hence to continue their business operations. This benefitted both the businesses and their employees. As a retired person, I received no benefit from this, except that I do benefit when businesses remain operational and when employees continue to be able to support themselves. I am betting that many employees who benefitted from these payments did not go to college and hence did not incur student loans.
Over 10 millions businesses received these PPP loans with an average of $72,500 per loan. All—ALL— of these amounts have now been forgiven. If my math is correct, this totals over $740 million forgiven.
Under the Student Loan forgiveness program, only the first $10,000 for some people and only the first $20,000 for others is being forgiven. Obviously, this is far less per loan than the $72,500 per loan under the PPP. Forty three million Americans will benefit from the student loan forgiveness program. I long ago paid back my student loans. I could view this as being unfair to me. However, I benefit when 43 million people are in a better financial position. This allows them to more fully participate in our consumer economy by buying houses and all the things that go with that (furniture, appliances, etc.). This allows them to save for retirement.
I would ask those who are critical of the loan forgiveness program to think of the public policies that benefit you, but not everyone else. Certainly there are many.
We are a society. We all benefit when others are stronger and more successful.

Wrong.

The forgiven PPP "loans" were not set up as loans. The agreement, up front, was that the money would not have to be re-paid if the business used it to fund payroll and hired most employees back. That was the agreement. That's what both parties agreed to.

With your daughters student loan, which was always presented to her as a loan, the agreement was that she would benefit from the loan, and she would pay it back.

If she didn't want to have to pay it back, she had many options...different school, working first, joining the military, learning a trade, etc...

Nobody ever said that government spending had to benefit everyone equally. But we should try to avoid abject stupidity.

You daughter agreed to take out a loan to fund the benefit of going to college. It's her responsibility to re-pay it, not the responsibility of someone who made a different choice.

"this sums up the tears entitlement of student loan haters forgiveness supporters myopic view of the world"...

gimme gimme gimme.

WDMSO, how much of other peoples money are liberals entitled to, exactly? Is there any limit? I mean this, this is a sincere question, how much of my paycheck are you entitled to, and how much of my paycheck are my kids and I entitled to?

yep but this is ok.. because people like to dance around wording . as if it makes it ok .. hell at its core it's a conflict of interest:btu:

After World War II, U.S. taxpayers funded the GI bill that paid tuition for white veterans (talk about unfairness—veterans of color were excluded) to attend the college or trade school of their choice..

They went to war.

If anyone with a student loan wants to serve in the military or teach in an inner city (or any service like that), no one would oppose helping them pay for their loans. These students aren't doing that service, they just want a freebie.

How in Gods name can you not see that difference?

of course Jim picks the least likely outcome .. and presents it as the Norm not the exception

FYI the Army gets paid via the taxpayers they also get their housing subsidized by the government BHA starts at 2900 bucks a month for an e 5 and tops out at $5,037 in Boston

I know a lot of people who have had their homes paid for via the taxpayers and its cost them nothing out of pocket


Hell I know 1 person who just made a 100k of the sale of his home which the government BHA basic housing allotment paid his entire mortgage.. and his friend who are not married are forced to live in on base housing and do not get an extra 2900 bucks to buy a home

its not fair but thats the system

Why is that unlikely?

"FYI the Army gets paid via the taxpayers"

Yes, Einstein, and they are also serving the taxpayer, so it's reasonable that they'd be funded by the taxpayer. That's not what this program is, this loan forgiveness gives a windfall to everyone with a loan with no requirement that they do anything of public service.

How do you not see that?

itiWrong.

The forgiven PPP "loans" were not set up as loans. The agreement, up front, was that the money would not have to be re-paid if the business used it to fund payroll and hired most employees back. That was the agreement. That's what both parties agreed to.

With your daughters student loan, which was always presented to her as a loan, the agreement was that she would benefit from the loan, and she would pay it back.

If she didn't want to have to pay it back, she had many options...different school, working first, joining the military, learning a trade, etc.. who ever said anyone getting this relife never wanted to pay it back

Nobody ever said that government spending had to benefit everyone equally. But we should try to avoid abject stupidity. So just because you think it is stupid its stupid . ok

You daughter agreed to take out a loan to fund the benefit of going to college. It's her responsibility to re-pay it, not the responsibility of someone who made a different choice.

my daughter didn't change a thing but keep thinking people getting this relief are not acting responsible . your suggesting is a lie

"this sums up the tears entitlement of student loan haters forgiveness supporters myopic view of the world"...

gimme gimme gimme.

WDMSO, how much of other peoples money are liberals entitled to, exactly? Is there any limit? I mean this, this is a sincere question, how much of my paycheck are you entitled to, and how much of my paycheck are my kids and I entitled to? need a tissue Jim



of course jim hiding being wording to justify his position shocking

Jim where is the mechanism for people who took out PPP loans that insured that money actually went to employees as required by law


Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) borrowers may be eligible for loan forgiveness if the funds were used
for eligible payroll costs, payments on business mortgage interest payments, rent, or utilities during either
the 8- or 24-week period after disbursement. A borrower can apply for forgiveness once it has used all
loan proceeds for which the borrower is requesting forgiveness. Borrowers can apply for forgiveness
any time up to the maturity date of the loan. If borrowers do not apply for forgiveness within 10
months after the last day of the covered period, then PPP loan payments are no longer deferred and
borrowers will begin making loan payments to their PPP lender.


Republicans love their Business socialism but help for the avg american is bad Socialism

Why is that unlikely?

"FYI the Army gets paid via the taxpayers"

Yes, Einstein, and they are also serving the taxpayer, so it's reasonable that they'd be funded by the taxpayer. That's not what this program is, this loan forgiveness gives a windfall to everyone with a loan with no requirement that they do anything of public service.

How do you not see that?


you just hate it for the sake of hating it like i said you love socialism when its benefits corporations .. but when it benefits everyday americans not so much

but you want your school voucher and no issues for other to pay for your children's religious schooling :faga:

WDMSO, is it just me who says it's stupid?

Please tell me what I see here, that's wrong...

This forgiveness punishes people who either paid their loans off already, or chose not to take out loans. It rewards those who chose to take out the loans, who now won't have to fulfill that obligation.

It generally will transfer money from poorer Americans (those who didn't go to college) to wealthier Americans (family income cap of $250k and that's taxable income, so after deductions).

It does nothing to get at the actual root of the problem (college cists) and probably makes it worse, as it gives colleges an unimaginable incentive to increase tuition again, since the feds are picking up part of the tab.

Stupid. And a lot of people agree with me.

But it puts money in your pocket, so we shouldn't complain.

Finally, this robs borrowers of the sense of accomplishment one derives from being self sufficient. We are further crippling these kids.

yep but this is ok.. because people like to dance around wording . as if it makes it ok .. hell at its core it's a conflict of interest:btu:

isn't this whataboutism?...

you just hate it for the sake of hating it like i said you love socialism when its benefits corporations .. but when it benefits everyday americans not so much

but you want your school voucher and no issues for other to pay for your children's religious schooling :faga:

"you just hate it for the sake of hating it"

No, I hate it because it punishes those who did the right thing (or had nothing whatsoever to do with those loans because they didn't go to college), it rewards people who did absolutely nothing to deserve it, it's perfectly regressive in that it will take from the poor and give to the wealthy, and it will make college more expensive, less expensive.

"no issues for other to pay for your children's religious schooling"

No, I want MY MONEY, not anyone elses money, to be able to help fund my kids schooling.

Do you understand the difference between my money, and someone else's money?

Youre either lying to try to make your point, or you really have no grasp of this stuff.

YOU are the one who supports taking other peoples money to fund your kids education, because that's exactly what this stupidity is.

isn't this whataboutism?...

Not when democrats do it, only when I do it...

Those college kids all planned to pay back those loans as soon as the millionaire tax breaks trickled down to them, I don’t understand the rush to forgive loans it would get to them haha.

"you just hate it for the sake of hating it"

No, I hate it because it punishes those who did the right thing (or had nothing whatsoever to do with those loans because they didn't go to college), it rewards people who did absolutely nothing to deserve it, it's perfectly regressive in that it will take from the poor and give to the wealthy, and it will make college more expensive, less expensive.

"no issues for other to pay for your children's religious schooling"

No, I want MY MONEY, not anyone elses money, to be able to help fund my kids schooling.

Do you understand the difference between my money, and someone else's money?

Youre either lying to try to make your point, or you really have no grasp of this stuff.

YOU are the one who supports taking other peoples money to fund your kids education, because that's exactly what this stupidity is.


No, I want MY MONEY, not anyone elses money, to be able to help fund my kids schooling.

to bad that's not how taxes work :jump:

No, I want MY MONEY, not anyone elses money, to be able to help fund my kids schooling.

to bad that's not how taxes work :jump:

you brought up school choice, not me. i agree that’s not a tax. But you brought it up, not me, and you lied saying i want others to pay for my kids to go to private school.

Tigger alkyl have a problem with letting others decide things for themselves, and for fulfilling obligations we agree to take on,,don’t you.

you brought up school choice, not me. i agree that’s not a tax. But you brought it up, not me, and you lied saying i want others to pay for my kids to go to private school.

Tigger alkyl have a problem with letting others decide things for themselves, and for fulfilling obligations we agree to take on,,don’t you.


jim those who are getting the relife . Most never asked for it .. not sure why you can't accept that ... and if it never happened would still be paying their loans and many are still paying their loans because they have more that 10k left to pay . but lets ignore that part

Also jim your taxes over 10 years don't even cover 1 of your childrens cost in a public school never mind 3 children

just like what i posted you'll want a tax refund because your house never had a fire or you feel you shouldn't have to pay taxes once you kids are out of school

So in a nutshell you want other taxpayers to subsidize your school choice.. you can't say that's not True . be we all know how it works

jim those who are getting the relife . Most never asked for it .. not sure why you can't accept that ... and if it never happened would still be paying their loans and many are still paying their loans because they have more that 10k left to pay . but lets ignore that part

Also jim your taxes over 10 years don't even cover 1 of your childrens cost in a public school never mind 3 children

just like what i posted you'll want a tax refund because your house never had a fire or you feel you shouldn't have to pay taxes once you kids are out of school

So in a nutshell you want other taxpayers to subsidize your school choice.. you can't say that's not True . be we all know how it works

"Most never asked for it .. not sure why you can't accept that "

When did I say that everyone asked for it? I'm criticizing Biden for doing it, and I'm criticizing those like you who say it's sound policy.

I agree most people are just quietly paying off their loans, they didn't ask for this, and they'd be stupid to turn it down.

But you are denying its stupid policy. And you can't defend that, which is why you are claiming I said something I never came close to saying.

"Also jim your taxes over 10 years don't even cover 1 of your childrens cost in a public school"

What in Gods name are you talking about? My annual property taxes to my town are about $8500 for my house, another $2k for my cars and camper. I also pay a ton of state income tax, of which a good chunk goes from my state to my town.

My 2 younger kids go to a K-8 catholic school that costs about $5,500 a year.

How can you just make stuff up, out of thin air?

What I have asked for, is that A PORTION of what I pay to my town (not all of it) gets returned to me if I put my kids in Catholic school. It's my money. They're my kids. Let some of my money (not all of it) go with my kids, to fund a vastly superior education at about one-third the cost of the crappy public education.

You're humiliating yourself with demonstrable falsehoods.

I'm asking for a portion of my money back, that's all. Student loan forgiveness wants other peoples money. That's a very big difference.

"you'll want a tax refund because your house never had a fire or you feel you shouldn't have to pay taxes once you kids are out of school "

Again, you're stupidly wrong. I'll happily fund fire, police, and schools once my kids are out. Even when my kids are grown, I still have a vested interest in having good schools in my community.

Once again, you're claiming that I said things which I have never come close to saying. Even you know that you can't respond to what I'm saying, so you pretend I said stupid things which I'd never, ever say.

Is there any way you can try to stop claiming I''m saying things I never said, and instead respond to what I'm actually saying?

Is there any way you can try to stop claiming I''m saying things I never said, and instead respond to what I'm actually saying?

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Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) borrowers may be eligible for loan forgiveness if the funds were used
for eligible payroll costs, payments on business mortgage interest payments, rent, or utilities during either
the 8- or 24-week period after disbursement. A borrower can apply for forgiveness once it has used all
loan proceeds for which the borrower is requesting forgiveness. Borrowers can apply for forgiveness
any time up to the maturity date of the loan. If borrowers do not apply for forgiveness within 10
months after the last day of the covered period, then PPP loan payments are no longer deferred and
borrowers will begin making loan payments to their PPP lender.




You're proving my point.

When businesses took PPP funds, they were not set up as loans. The business owner agreed to spend the money on payroll and agreed to hire the employees back. If they did that, the feds agreed to waive repayment. So both parties did what they agreed to do.

That's not even close to what's happening here. These borrowers signed a contract to repay the loan. That was the agreement. They're changing the terms after the fact.

Apples and oranges.

And I don't like business socialism, I didn't like the covid bailouts or PPP. But another big difference, is that business owners didn't choose to lose their business income. That was forced upon them (unnecessarily as it turns out) by state governments. Business owners did not choose to be shut down, it was forced on them.

Your daughter chose to take out a loan. No one forced her.

My wife got a masters degree in data analytics, we looked at student loans, decided to take put a home equity loan instead. Took 3 years to pay it off, made the last payment a few weeks ago. I guess we were suckers for doing what we said we'd do.

They went to war.

If anyone with a student loan wants to serve in the military or teach in an inner city (or any service like that), no one would oppose helping them pay for their loans. These students aren't doing that service, they just want a freebie.

How in Gods name can you not see that difference?

Guessing you missed black soldier’s weren’t allowed to use the benefit


You keep blaming students! There not driving the bus. Then claim that’s not what you’re doing

But insisting “Your daughter chose to take out a loan. No one forced her.”

You should learn division seeing you think your taxes are not divided among many local and state needs. And in no way cover your children education not to mention 3 no matter how you try to twist the math

Guessing you missed black soldier’s weren’t allowed to use the benefit


You keep blaming students! There not driving the bus. Then claim that’s not what you’re doing

But insisting “Your daughter chose to take out a loan. No one forced her.”

You should learn division seeing you think your taxes are not divided among many local and state needs. And in no way cover your children education not to mention 3 no matter how you try to twist the math

i just said 5 minutes ago, i blame biden and advocates for this bill, not people who were paying their loans.

you lie like Trump, you know that? You lie constantly, every single
time you’re on the losing side of a debate. as you are here with this indefensible stupidity. BecUse you can’t just admit it makes no sense.

I also just said i’m fine with my taxes going to things i don’t hope
to ever use. I could not have been more clear. Then you say i don’t get that my taxes are spread around.

You aren’t capable of being honest for three consecutive sentences

Some of my tax dollars are used to educate my kids. I ask for some ( not all ) of that back. i know that may not cover tuition at catholic school, but every little bit helps.

I also know that if public school faced competition, they improve very quickly.

Yes wayne, i insist that no one forced your daughter to take student loans. Am i wrong, or am I correct?

Guessing you missed black soldier’s weren’t allowed to use the benefit


You keep blaming students! There not driving the bus. Then claim that’s not what you’re doing

But insisting “Your daughter chose to take out a loan. No one forced her.”

You should learn division seeing you think your taxes are not divided among many local and state needs. And in no way cover your children education not to mention 3 no matter how you try to twist the math

I don't blame your daughter for the implementation of this policy. I use her as an example of why it's stupid policy, because it retroactively changes the terms of her agreement, and she didn't do anything to deserve it.

Why not hold universities accountable? Why not force them to have some skin in this game.

Wayne, what would you say to someone who would have gone to college but didn't want the debt, so they joined the military instead? What do you say to people who made a different choice for that exact reason? "ha ha, too bad you sucker"?

I don't blame your daughter for the implementation of this policy. I use her as an example of why it's stupid policy, because it retroactively changes the terms of her agreement, and she didn't do anything to deserve it.

Why not hold universities accountable? Why not force them to have some skin in this game.

Wayne, what would you say to someone who would have gone to college but didn't want the debt, so they joined the military instead? What do you say to people who made a different choice for that exact reason? "ha ha, too bad you sucker"?

I made the same choice never considered myself a sucker

I joined to server my country not avoid debt

I’m waiting for someone to make the argument for universal government insurance, after all competition is good.

And by the way Jim, it’s likely that all of your taxes and some paid by others go to fund your childrens education and associated costs.
We do that in this country because we believe that it’s important to do the following:
Develop a productive workforce.
Create an informed citizenry.
Provide for social mobility.

I’m waiting for someone to make the argument for universal government insurance, after all competition is good.

And by the way Jim, it’s likely that all of your taxes and some paid by others go to fund your childrens education and associated costs.
We do that in this country because we believe that it’s important to do the following:
Develop a productive workforce.
Create an informed citizenry.
Provide for social mobility.

Taxes are like insurance it goes into one big pot. Some of use use more then we put in others never use it..

But you always have some who want theirs back .. crying about fairness ..

Wouldn’t want to be on sinking ship with that crowd . You have 2 choices everyone in the life boats or we are all going down with the ship

Wouldn’t want to be on sinking ship with that crowd . You have 2 choices everyone in the life boats or we are all going down with the ship

Equity dictates that there really are only 2 choices :huh:

Taxes are like insurance it goes into one big pot. Some of use use more then we put in others never use it..

But you always have some who want theirs back .. crying about fairness ..

Wouldn’t want to be on sinking ship with that crowd . You have 2 choices everyone in the life boats or we are all going down with the ship

catholic schools are way cheaper and far superior

i’d like to offer that benefit to people
who can’t afford it. you’d deny it to them and force them to stay in failing sh*thole schools

I’m pretty comfortable on my side of that argument. you want those people to stay right where they are. i want to get creative to help them out of poverty.

You care more about politics than helping them.

have fun make that wrong.

I’m waiting for someone to make the argument for universal government insurance, after all competition is good.

And by the way Jim, it’s likely that all of your taxes and some paid by others go to fund your childrens education and associated costs.
We do that in this country because we believe that it’s important to do the following:
Develop a productive workforce.
Create an informed citizenry.
Provide for social mobility.

social mobility, eh?

Is social mobility helped, or is it hindered, if more children are in good schools, and fewer children are in lousy schools?’

My town spends $15k to educate each kid. If you give me $2k of that to help me pay for catholic school, the town keeps the other $13k and now has one fewer kid to spend it on. so more spent per kid. That’s good for the kids who stay in public school.

It’s win win. Except for teachers unions, which is the only key reason democrats oppose it.

social mobility, eh?

Is social mobility helped, or is it hindered, if more children are in good schools, and fewer children are in lousy schools?’It will make the public schools worse off having to give up revenue to subsidize a private school.

My town spends $15k to educate each kid. If you give me $2k of that to help me pay for catholic school , the town keeps the other $13k and now has one fewer kid to spend it on. so more spent per kid. That’s good for the kids who stay in public school. In another post you said you wouldn't benefit. Doesn't the $2K per kid benefit YOU?

It’s win win. Except for teachers unions, which is the only key reason democrats oppose it.100% wrong.

So if 10 out of 2,000 students leave a public school what will get cut?

will a teacher get laid off?
will the heat be lowered?
will the bus routes be changed?

The costs are still the same. There will be 24.2 kids in a class instead of 24.4 - that is it.

All is it does is subsidize you sending your kids to private schools. Most people can't afford the $15K it costs to send their kid to private school regardless of a subside.

Why don't the Catholic HSs take kids with handicaps and educate them instead of leaving them for the public HS?

paul, public schools will give up revenue but what you conveniently left out, is there’s would be fewer kids.

if crappy teachers in crappy schools get laid off, boo boo. better to keep flushing money down the toilet forever?

paul, public schools will give up revenue but what you conveniently left out, is there’s would be fewer kids.

if crappy teachers in crappy schools get laid off, boo boo. better to keep flushing money down the toilet forever?

I showed you the fixed costs will be the same. 500 kids at a high school in hartford aren't going to go to Xavier bc they get a $2K subsidy.

social mobility, eh?

Is social mobility helped, or is it hindered, if more children are in good schools, and fewer children are in lousy schools?’

My town spends $15k to educate each kid. If you give me $2k of that to help me pay for catholic school, the town keeps the other $13k and now has one fewer kid to spend it on. so more spent per kid. That’s good for the kids who stay in public school.

It’s win win. Except for teachers unions, which is the only key reason democrats oppose it.

So federal aid to education no longer is per student?

It’s not a winner, in the long term it will decimate public education.

You rant about about student loan forgiveness and then want the rest of us to pay for special education for your kids.
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Maybe the private schools will start providing free lunches for all those poor kids from the Hartford schools who will need help paying for lunch since their $ will go to pay private school tuition.

I posted about Indiana school vouchers

Whites enrolled increased black enrollment decreased

And the majority of peoples kids getting vouchers never stepped foot in a public school


the average tuition at private elementary schools is $7,630, while the average for Catholic elementaries is $4,840. The same is true of high schools, where the average tuition is $16,040 and the average Catholic high school cost is $11,240.

Yep low income and middle income family’s have 50 k to send 3 kids to high school x 4 years

School choice is a scam by republicans. Using school choice for minority’s as their straw man .

Statistics. Don’t back up their claims
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Paul I concede school choice isn’t good for public teachers. Is the point of education to help teachers, or to help children?

I showed you the fixed costs will be the same. 500 kids at a high school in hartford aren't going to go to Xavier bc they get a $2K subsidy.

variable costs won’t be the same. salary and benefits are by far the biggest line item of any school budget ( part of the problem). you can let teachers go. that drastically lowers costs.

The only downside is to public teachers. And if the schools would
just improve a bit families wouldnt want to leave anyway.

do you consider teacher salary and benefits to be a fixed cost or a variable
cost? if that’s a variable cost, which it really is, the fixed costs are quite low in a typical education budget.

variable costs won’t be the same. salary and benefits are by far the biggest line item of any school budget ( part of the problem). you can let teachers go. that drastically lowers costs.

The only downside is to public teachers. And if the schools would
just improve a bit families wouldnt want to leave anyway.

do you consider teacher salary and benefits to be a fixed cost or a variable
cost? if that’s a variable cost, which it really is, the fixed costs are quite low in a typical education budget.

Both the fix and variable cost will be basically the same as you're never going to get a lot of people being able to afford private schools. With or without a subsidy.
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Both the fix and variable cost will be basically the same as you're never going to get a lot of people being able to afford private schools. With or without a subsidy.
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well if not many people are participating, you’re also not losing much revenue. you can’t have it both ways paul, you can’t say that the schools will suffer from a meaningful loss of revenue and also claim that costs don’t change and that not many people will participate.

when school choice is offered,,there’s usually a ton of demand in cities with lousy schools

paul, you’ve talked a lot about the impact to the public school. and to be fair, that’s part of the discussion. Another part, is the benefit to the kids who participate. I haven’t seen you comment in that part of this. what do you suppose the effect is, of taking poor but eager students out of godawful public schools, and putting them in small private schools?

Parents want school choice. Public teachers, their unions, and politicians who take big $$ from the unions, don’t want it.

So who do schools exist to serve? The students and their families, or the teachers?

paul, you’ve talked a lot about the impact to the public school. and to be fair, that’s part of the discussion. Another part, is the benefit to the kids who participate. I haven’t seen you comment in that part of this. what do you suppose the effect is, of taking poor but eager students out of godawful public schools, and putting them in small private schools?


If you take a few students out and it benefits them but you're removing Revenue from the remainder it hurts more people than it is helping. You currently have teachers spending their own money for supplies because the schools are under funded.


You haven't commented on how a subsidy would benefit you because it will. And you haven't answered why the private schools don't accept handicapped students
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Parents want school choice

Some do Jim some … And the majority who want school choice have the money to send their kids to private schools or religious schools. They just want the state city or town to subside them

But keep thinking it’s about unions and politics

I guess no kids from public schools ever get into Harvard or MIT on their merit or being taught by good teachers …

To bad all those hard working plumbers and electricians cooks and Walmart workers who the Republicans claim are getting screwed by Biden giving their kids 10k in debt relief. 99.9 % of them graduated from public schools ..

Schools and teachers don’t fail kids in school parents fail them at home. thinking education isn’t their responsibility…. You have Ron and other politicians who have lied and convinced theses gullible parents that their smarter than the teachers . And suggesting their villains .

Parents want school choice

Some do Jim some … And the majority who want school choice have the money to send their kids to private schools or religious schools. They just want the state city or town to subside them

But keep thinking it’s about unions and politics

I guess no kids from public schools ever get into Harvard or MIT on their merit or being taught by good teachers …

To bad all those hard working plumbers and electricians cooks and Walmart workers who the Republicans claim are getting screwed by Biden giving their kids 10k in debt relief. 99.9 % of them graduated from public schools ..

Schools and teachers don’t fail kids in school parents fail them at home. thinking education isn’t their responsibility…. You have Ron and other politicians who have lied and convinced theses gullible parents that their smarter than the teachers . And suggesting their villains .

Where to begin...

"the majority who want school choice have the money to send their kids to private schools or religious schools. They just want the state city or town to subside them"

That's a very pro-left, self serving statement. Please support it. Please back that up with data, or admit you made it up because it serves your agenda...

"I guess no kids from public schools ever get into Harvard or MIT on their merit or being taught by good teachers … "

As always, you respond to something I never came close to saying. I never said public schools send zero kids to the Ivy League. Please respond to what I'm saying. Why do you constantly respond to radical nonsense that no one ever even came CLOSE to saying?

"all those hard working plumbers and electricians cooks and Walmart workers who the Republicans claim are getting screwed by Biden giving their kids 10k in debt relief. 99.9 % of them graduated from public schools"

That's probably true, I'd agree most who enter the trades are graduates of public school. But most arent graduating from disgusting, failing, inner city public schools. Not all public schools are failing sh*tholes, but some are, and we all know which ones they are, and that's where parents who are doing the right thing, should be offered a choice.

"keep thinking it’s about unions and politics"

So it's just a coincidence that the democrat position on this issue is to protect teachers unions from a tiny speck of competition, and that teachers unions give huge money to democrats. That's just a coincidence? Or do you deny that teachers unions give money to democrats?

"Schools and teachers don’t fail kids in school parents fail them at home. thinking education isn’t their responsibility"

I agree! Most educational success (not all, but most) is determined in the home. But if you agree with that, why do you support democrats who mock traditional family values, and give all their effort and money to teachers, instead of to programs that support strong families?

In addition , there are some schools that are so bad, that even good parents have a tough time getting a good outcome for their kids. These are the places where there should be choice.

You guys keep whining about subsidizing education. But with poor people, you're already subsidizing their public school education. If there's an opportunity to subsidize better schools at a lower cost, why would you rather that your money go to worse schools that are more expensive? We're subsidizing their e3ducation either way. Why not provide then with the best possible opportunities?

You are paying for their schooling already. Why not have your money provide them with the best schooling available, especially if its cheaper?

Politics. That's why. Why else would you choose to keep those kids in stinky schools that are more expensive than the good schools?

Politics. That's why. Why else would you choose to keep those kids in stinky schools that are more expensive than the good schools?

It is not politics. It is the recognition that the private schools don't have to deal with the "problems" of the public schools and will cherry pick the "good" students. The ones whose parents want their kids to learn and will assist the kids and the schools in trying to be successful, will get their kids to school every day, on time, with clean clothing, the ones who can somewhat afford lunches, are not handicapped (and those extra costs associated w/them), who will ask about their homework and make sure the kids does it, will not automatically take the kid's side when the kid is disciplined, will make sure the kids don't bring guns to school, etc. etc. These are the kids that are frequently in the private schools. The public schools can't pick and choose and are "stuck" with the "bad" kids.

So it is easy to be successful as a private school when you can skim off the cream of the crop and leave the "dregs" to the private schools and then claim the private schools do a better job.

It is not politics. It is the recognition that the private schools don't have to deal with the "problems" of the public schools and will cherry pick the "good" students. The ones whose parents want their kids to learn and will assist the kids and the schools in trying to be successful, will get their kids to school every day, on time, with clean clothing, the ones who can somewhat afford lunches, are not handicapped (and those extra costs associated w/them), who will ask about their homework and make sure the kids does it, will not automatically take the kid's side when the kid is disciplined, will make sure the kids don't bring guns to school, etc. etc. These are the kids that are frequently in the private schools. The public schools can't pick and choose and are "stuck" with the "bad" kids.

So it is easy to be successful as a private school when you can skim off the cream of the crop and leave the "dregs" to the private schools and then claim the private schools do a better job.

You did a good job explaining why private schools are better (clearly, they can refuse to accept troublemakers). What you failed to do, is explain why it isn't then a good idea to get the conscientious students out of Hartford schools, and into good private schools. Sounds like you concede private schools are better places for kids who actually want to learn, yet you'd deny that opportunity to the poor students in Hartford who are trying to get an education. Why? Why say "no" to them? If it's not politics (acting on behalf of teachers and the union), why deny letting them go to a better and cheaper school? I don't get it.


"easy to be successful as a private school when you can skim off the cream of the crop"

OK, I went to Notre Dame High in West Haven. It wasn't Miss Porters, or Avon Old Farms, Paul. We didn't only have the "cream of the crop". I concede we didn't have a lot of kids with deadbeat parents, but we had plenty of poor kids, plenty of C students. Those teachers I had, didn't have it "easy". They worked their butts off. And they all had second jobs in the summer to pay the bills.

You did a good job explaining why private schools are better (clearly, they can refuse to accept troublemakers). What you failed to do, is explain why it isn't then a good idea to get the conscientious students out of Hartford schools, and into good private schools. Sounds like you concede private schools are better places for kids who actually want to learn,yes, for the most part yet you'd deny that opportunity to the poor students in Hartford who are trying to get an education. Why? Why say "no" to them? If it's not politics (acting on behalf of teachers and the union), why deny letting them go to a better and cheaper school? I don't get it.BC it will make the public schools worse skimming off the "cream of the crop"


"easy to be successful as a private school when you can skim off the cream of the crop"

OK, I went to Notre Dame High in West Haven. It wasn't Miss Porters, or Avon Old Farms, Paul. We didn't only have the "cream of the crop". I concede we didn't have a lot of kids with deadbeat parents, but we had plenty of poor kids, plenty of C students. Those teachers I had, didn't have it "easy". They worked their butts off. And they all had second jobs in the summer to pay the bills.

Agree - mainly bc I went there also. I don't know that we had "poor" kids. Prob. blue collar. Most teachers (public and private) have summer jobs in the summer. Atleast the younger ones.

Agree - mainly bc I went there also. I don't know that we had "poor" kids. Prob. blue collar. Most teachers (public and private) have summer jobs in the summer. Atleast the younger ones.

You went to ND? Great! I liked it there. We had plenty of poor kids when I was there. Not abject poverty, but not middle class either.

Paul, can you explain how the public schools are made worse, if the few kids who actually want to learn, are sent somewhere where they can learn?

You're saying you're willing to punish those few heroic families, for what, exactly? What's the upside of forcing those kids to remain where they are? It keeps some more public teachers employed (which is a big reason why liberals oppose school choice), but what's the point of education? To give children the best chance of realizing their dreams? Or something else?

The troublemakers left behind in public school, obviously won't care if a few dedicated students leave.

So who does it hurt, and how does it hurt them, to send those few kids to a better school?

Yes, ND

I think is skims some of the cream of crop off. The kids who demonstrate all the things that people want their kids to be (polite, hard working, etc).

Someone who would bring a gun to school isn't going to get anything from those kids but maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them.

I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools. And that has nothing to do w/teachers or unions.

Edit: I also feel that citizens are providing an education to the students they shouldn't have to subsidize an "alternative" education. Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else.

Mississippi First State to Declare It Will Tax Forgiven Student Loan Debt

what cry babies

Georgians can now claim an "unborn child" as a dependent on their state taxes, the state's Department of Revenue announced this week.

Maga logic hard at work

Yes, ND

I think is skims some of the cream of crop off. The kids who demonstrate all the things that people want their kids to be (polite, hard working, etc).

Someone who would bring a gun to school isn't going to get anything from those kids but maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them.

I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools. And that has nothing to do w/teachers or unions.

Edit: I also feel that citizens are providing an education to the students they shouldn't have to subsidize an "alternative" education. Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else.

"maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them"

you're saying maybe. You'd deny these kids a better shot at escaping poverty, because "maybe" some kids left behind will miss them? The kids who are trying against all odds to succeed, it's THEIR responsibility to stay behind so that "maybe" some other kids look up to them?

"I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools."

But you won't specify why it's better, other than to say "maybe" there are kids left behind who will miss them. Isn't that kind of a thin reason?

"Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else"

This, isn't that. I'm talking about kids who are stuck in the worst schools in the country, not pulling a kid out of West Hartford public schools and sending them to the Juliard school of music.

Kids get pulled out of public schools regularly, when the public school isn't a good fit, if the kid isn't behaving, if the kid is being bullied, etc...

And I'm talking about situations where the private school isn't only far better, but is often far cheaper.

SO again, with due respect, you're basing your opposition to school choice, on the "maybe" that kids behind might miss the kids who leave. That really outweighs the incredible potential benefit to the kids whod leave?

Finally, if the left is opposed to using taxpayer money to fund private education, please explain why student loan forgiveness isn't limited to those who went to public universities. Isn't that a massive public subsidization of private school costs for those who chose to go there? Come on, Paul.

Many cities have public magnet and charter schools, which also take the cream of the crop out of horrible public schools. Are you opposed to this?

For the green, for the green, for the green fight fight!

Mississippi First State to Declare It Will Tax Forgiven Student Loan Debt

what cry babies

Georgians can now claim an "unborn child" as a dependent on their state taxes, the state's Department of Revenue announced this week.

Maga logic hard at work

Keep bleating what you hear on CNN, big guy.

I thought you liberals were opposed to tax breaks for the wealthy? I guess only sometimes (only when it suits your political agenda).

Plumbers paying off student loans for families making $250,000 a year. And remember, that's taxable income of 250k a year (after deductions). So their gross income could easily much higher if they have a lot of deductions.

But this transfer of wealth from the poor to the wealthy helps recent college grads and really helps universities, those are reliable voting blocks for the left. But that's just a pure coincidence.

Yes, it sucks for some people in "poorer" areas. We do the best we can (and we can and should do better).

I live in damn nice (expensive) town. There are certain things my town doesn't have the other nicer (more expensive for the most part) towns have. lt is a function of my income (and were I want/have to live). The state gives my town $. We get more than Bridgeport but less than Greenwich. Not complaining but that is the way it is.

Yes, it sucks for some people in "poorer" areas. We do the best we can (and we can and should do better).

I live in damn nice (expensive) town. There are certain things my town doesn't have the other nicer (more expensive for the most part) towns have. lt is a function of my income (and were I want/have to live). The state gives my town $. We get more than Bridgeport but less than Greenwich. Not complaining but that is the way it is.

i get that’s there’s inequality. but here’s a way to address it in a way that could actually save money while improving education. And i still don’t get specifically why you oppose it, other than it might make some kids sad who’s miss the kids who leave. so should we tell upperclassmen who are role models to freshman, that they can’t go away to college because it make make the school worse if they leave? you basically said that if a kid is an asset to his current lousy school, that’s a reason why he should
be forced to stay there instead of going someplace better.

i get that’s there’s inequality. but here’s a way to address it in a way that could actually save money while improving education. And i still don’t get specifically why you oppose it, other than it might make some kids sad who’s miss the kids who leave. so should we tell upperclassmen who are role models to freshman, that they can’t go away to college because it make make the school worse if they leave? you basically said that if a kid is an asset to his current lousy school, that’s a reason why he should
be forced to stay there instead of going someplace better.

There is an interesting video from project veritas it’s with a Connecticut vice principal
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my state senator and i just spoke about that video. Assistant principal at a public school
on tape saying that he won’t hire catholic applicants for teaching jobs ( nothing illegal about that!) , and very specifically says that the curriculum is designed to ensure that students eventually become democrats.

But there’s no liberal bias in education.

He’ll probably get promoted.

my state senator and i just spoke about that video. Assistant principal at a public school
on tape saying that he won’t hire catholic applicants for teaching jobs ( nothing illegal about that!) , and very specifically says that the curriculum is designed to ensure that students eventually become democrats.

But there’s no liberal bias in education.

He’ll probably get promoted.

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its a good one :jester:

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I taught in West Haven and was completely surrounded by people
exactly like this jerk. no one who works in any public school would be surprised. They’ll sacrifice this guy, act like the problem is solved ( even though he said he has a staff of teachers indoctrinating kids) and replace him with someone who thinks exactly the same way but smart enough not to get caught.

This is exactly why my three are in catholic school, this is absolutely everywhere.

i hope every catholic who has ever applied for a job there sues for millions.

project veritas

Not really Shocking what you 2 sheep use to support your views

the conservative organization delights in embarrassing liberals and taunting the press with quick-cut video exposés that critics say often rely on recordings that are manipulated or presented out of context.

Project Veritas was recently implicated by federal prosecutors in the theft of a diary belonging to the daughter of President Joe Biden, according to The New York Times. Authorities executed a search warrant at the homes of several Project Veritas employees, including O’Keefe, the Times reported.

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project veritas

Not really Shocking what you 2 sheep use to support your views

the conservative organization delights in embarrassing liberals and taunting the press with quick-cut video exposés that critics say often rely on recordings that are manipulated or presented out of context.

Project Veritas was recently implicated by federal prosecutors in the theft of a diary belonging to the daughter of President Joe Biden, according to The New York Times. Authorities executed a search warrant at the homes of several Project Veritas employees, including O’Keefe, the Times reported.

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project veritas is to be questioned, that’s fair. that doesn’t mean they’re incapable of getting one right.

Let’s see how it plays out. news says this guy has been placed on leave already, and schools don’t do that without a darn good reason.

I’ve taught, i’m assuming you haven’t. This is what happens in many many parts of academia. I am sorry to break it to you, but not every single story that paints the left in a negative light, is false.

If this guy meant what he said, is it newsworthy? i know you’d gleefully report if a republican city councilman in Boise Idaho had an overdue library book, well sometimes the left is bad enough in ways that are actually worth discussing too.

If your central nervous system can’t handle a discussion of a democrat behaving inappropriately, that’s your issue, nobody else’s.

If your central nervous system can’t handle a discussion of a democrat behaving inappropriately, that’s your issue, nobody else’s.



clearly....look at his reaction...:spin:

hey....when was the last time the FBI raided and searched someone's home or property because they believed a diary had been stolen?

Maybe there were nuclear secrets in there???? :btu:

clearly....look at his reaction...:spin:

hey....when was the last time the FBI raided and searched someone's home or property because they believed a diary had been stolen?

Maybe there were nuclear secrets in there???? :btu:

and i’m a sheep for posting something from project veritas, but his source in the diary scoop is the New York Times, who always play it right down the middle and never let politics influence what gets printed. Never.

PS wayne, isn’t it whatabout-ism when you change the subject like that? of only when a republican does it?

have fun explaining that.

TDF

TDF

My family gets nice thank you notes from recipients when our church scholarships are announced every year. I wonder if the private school students who I would be subsidizing would also send me thank you notes?

Way to feed the stereotype that “Liberals have no sense of humor”

Just lightening the mood
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Way to feed the stereotype that “Liberals have no sense of humor”

Just lightening the mood
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It was a serious question.

It was a serious question.

I know, my post wasn’t
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My family gets nice thank you notes from recipients when our church scholarships are announced every year. I wonder if the private school students who I would be subsidizing would also send me thank you notes?

probably not....probably as ungrateful as the failing red states you support with your incredible generosity...

probably not....probably as ungrateful as the failing red states you support with your incredible generosity...

They should say thank you. imagine how much worse of a "sh ithole" to use a term our ex Pres. threw around they would be w/o all the help of the blue states.

Republicans are readying lawsuits to block Biden’s student debt plan

Cry babies
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Republicans are readying lawsuits to block Biden’s student debt plan

Cry babies
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on school choice, you said it’s wrong for taxpayers to subsidize sending other kids to private schools. Please explain how the student loan forgiveness, which you support, isn’t the same thing?

Can’t wait.

yes we are cry babies. liberals never ever protest when they don’t get their way.

on school choice, you said it’s wrong for taxpayers to subsidize sending other kids to private schools. Please explain how the student loan forgiveness, which you support, isn’t the same thing?

Can’t wait.

simple jim because their not .. but you do love suggesting that everything the same

yes we are cry babies. liberals never ever protest when they don’t get their way.

sadly jim you don't understand the difference between a protest .

And Republicans being but hurt and filling a lawsuit just because Biden kept his campaign promise


wasn't one of your favorite lines elections have consequences or only when
republicans win?

sadly jim you don't understand the difference between a protest .

And Republicans being but hurt and filling a lawsuit just because Biden kept his campaign promise


wasn't one of your favorite lines elections have consequences or only when
republicans win?

Hold on...you're saying that when taxpayers pay off student loan debt, that' snot subsidizing private education for others? So if a kid gets $20,000 wiped off his student loan to Yale, and we have to pay for that, how is that not using taxpayer money to subsidize others getting a private education?

You can't just say "it's not the same". Please be specific.

They're not "the same" but for sure they are both ideas where we use taxpayer money to subsidize others going to private school. Unless the student loan forgiveness bill specifies that it has to be a loan for a public college.

sadly jim you don't understand the difference between a protest .

And Republicans being but hurt and filling a lawsuit just because Biden kept his campaign promise


wasn't one of your favorite lines elections have consequences or only when
republicans win?

OK, so it's OK when liberals shoot cops and burn buildings because they don't get what they want, but when Republicans seek resolution in the courts, that's being a crybaby. Got it, thanks for clarifying.

sure, elections have consequences, I believe that. But if there's some question as to the legality of what Biden did, isn't a suit the way to clear that up?

You say republicans are authoritarians. But Biden wants to spend $300,000,000,000 unilaterally, without getting approval from congress? Maybe he has that authority, maybe he doesn't. Let's see.

OK, so it's OK when liberals shoot cops and burn buildings because they don't get what they want, but when Republicans seek resolution in the courts, that's being a crybaby. Got it, thanks for clarifying.

sure, elections have consequences, I believe that. But if there's some question as to the legality of what Biden did, isn't a suit the way to clear that up?

You say republicans are authoritarians. But Biden wants to spend $300,000,000,000 unilaterally, without getting approval from congress? Maybe he has that authority, maybe he doesn't. Let's see.

Trump and those who support his are authoritarian minded stop being afraid and admit it

Oh now spending money is authoritarian. Are tax cuts now socialism
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Trump and those who support his are authoritarian minded stop being afraid and admit it

Oh now spending money is authoritarian. Are tax cuts now socialism
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When can you specify how student loan forgiveness is not an example of using taxpayer funds to subsidize someone else going to a private school?

Spending money isn't always authoritarian. One man deciding to spend $300,000,000,000 without asking Congress?

"rump and those who support his are authoritarian minded stop being afraid and admit it "

How is it authoritarian to want a smaller federal government and more individual liberty, than what democrats propose?

U.S. watchdog estimates $45.6 billion in pandemic unemployment fraud
Applicants got aid using dead people’s Social Security numbers and the names of people serving federal prison terms

But but students

U.S. watchdog estimates $45.6 billion in pandemic unemployment fraud
Applicants got aid using dead people’s Social Security numbers and the names of people serving federal prison terms

But but students

that's how democrats vote too...weird

that's how democrats vote too...weird

Fill in the blanks C T. M R

that's how democrats vote too...weird

See, this is how politicized and polarized everything is being made out to be...To me, it sounds sophomoric and petty. It should be recognized by everyone that this is how criminals vote... not one political party or another... Criminals.

Term limits!!!!!!

U.S. watchdog estimates $45.6 billion in pandemic unemployment fraud
Applicants got aid using dead people’s Social Security numbers and the names of people serving federal prison terms

But but students

Pleas explain why you didn't just engage in whatabout-ism?

But as always, it's OK when YOU do it.

Term limits!!!!!!

Nothing else would do more, to restore sanity to both sides in DC. There's no rational argument against term limits.

See, this is how politicized and polarized everything is being made out to be...To me, it sounds sophomoric and petty. It should be recognized by everyone that this is how criminals vote... not one political party or another... Criminals.

Maybe the problem is some people get their panties in a bunch over mild humor….

Maybe the problem is some people get their panties in a bunch over mild humor….

In my view, mild humor should not possibly be confused with fanning the flames of hate which exists across the American landscape. Your comment is not part of the solution... whether or not it gives you your giggles.

In my view, mild humor should not possibly be confused with fanning the flames of hate which exists across the American landscape. Your comment is not part of the solution... whether or not it gives you your giggles.

seriously...with all of the aspersions that are cast about here on a daily basis...if that one really bothered you ...GFY

Maybe the problem is some people get their panties in a bunch over mild humor….

As if any one thought your response was to be humorous .

I am certain you believe exactly what you wrote

As if any one thought your response was to be humorous .

I am certain you believe exactly what you wrote

Im sure you believe exactly what you think I think :laugha:

As if any one thought your response was to be humorous .


I got a chuckle out of it :hihi:
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I got a chuckle out of it :hihi:
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I'm waiting to get castigated by him for using "GFY"....:huh:

I got a chuckle out of it :hihi:
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I admit, a part of me did too. I am just so sick of the political bickering... And Scott, I do respect your being able to tell me GFY.... TDF knows me, and understands from where I come.