Boy listening to the affidavit that was made public is really not going to make Trump look like anything other than a dangerous man, who couldn’t give a sh*t about our national security and frankly I hope he gets charged to keep him from running again. I know I’ve said the Democrats would probably easily beat him again, but I’m not sure the risk of him winning is worth the risk to our national security.

It’s a safe bet right now Americans somewhere are jumping through their own #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s to try and save the lives of sources and other Americans Donald Trump put at risk (at a minimum) or actively betrayed. Mind blowing that anyone could still support the fool.

Trump will be synonymous with Judas, Benedict Arnold and Quisling.

I wonder if this will cue the Quisling chorus, with their song of how he was really great and the refrain of “but I said something bad about him”
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Truth Social faces financial peril as worry about Trump’s future grows
Payment disputes and a dwindling audience have fueled doubts about the former president’s Twitter clone

Going the route of all his other scams
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I guess it’s to be expected that the right is silent on this thread, I guess student loan forgiveness, or why so many are moving to FL is more important than our national security.

yeah that's it....

you said another "bad day" but it seems like it's helped him...he may get arrested, we'll have to wait and see... but even AXIOS suggests this has been a positive for trump so far....

AXIOS

Several anti-Trump GOP strategists say they're worried the FBI search put wind in Trump’s sails.

A source close to Trump says the fundraising effect has been "yuge," re-engaging donors in the biggest way since he left office.

To juice up the base, Trump's fundraising texts and emails accuse the FBI of "breaking into my home," even though agents had a search warrant.

When Trump was fading from the news cycle, Republicans were able to focus on criticisms of the left — such as COVID regulations, educational practices and accusations of media bias.

Those played to DeSantis' strengths, and even allowed him to get to Trump's right on some issues.

Since the search, Trump is once again at the center of attention. He has once again been able to align his own personal grievances with the Republican base — that a "Deep State" bureaucracy is out to get him.

It’s not deep state out to get him it’s Americans who give a sh*t and if you don’t see the potential implications of this narcissist taking classified documents, which could put key assets lives in danger, well your…..fill in the blank_______

The big question is………

Will they try him as an adult? 🧒
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The big question is………

Will they try him as an adult? 🧒
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that's pretty funny :scream:

It’s not deep state out to get him it’s Americans who give a sh*t and if you don’t see the potential implications of this narcissist taking classified documents, which could put key assets lives in danger, well your…..fill in the blank_______

don't be shy...fill in the blank

yeah that's it....

Don’t worry there’s plenty that’s not redacted, but it might not fit your delusion.
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Don’t worry there’s plenty that’s not redacted, but it might not fit your delusion.
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you...calling someone delusional or a troll...is also very funny

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump is now under investigation for tax fraud, election fraud, insurrection and violating the Espionage Act. And he's the Republican frontrunner for 2024

Gonna be a hell of a resume builder for the GOP, voting twice to not impeach the greatest traitor in US history, well done cowards.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump is now under investigation for tax fraud, election fraud, insurrection and violating the Espionage Act. And he's the Republican frontrunner for 2024

Gonna be a hell of a resume builder for the GOP, voting twice to not impeach the greatest traitor in US history, well done cowards.
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you mean "armed insurrection":btu:

hopefully, at some point, the DOJ will decide to try this through the courts instead of through complicit media leaks and in the court of public opinion....

trump should be the ONE guy you'd be happy to have run in 2024 if all you claim is true.....at that point he should be running his campaign from a jail cell...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump is now under investigation for tax fraud, election fraud, insurrection and violating the Espionage Act. And he's the Republican frontrunner for 2024

Gonna be a hell of a resume builder for the GOP, voting twice to not impeach the greatest traitor in US history, well done cowards.
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Don’t forget he has 2 more in NY

Republicans are responding to Biden calling them “semi-fascists” by threatening Civil War if Trump is indicted. Way to make Biden’s case for him.

I vaguely recall … **every conservative ever** saying that warning of riots in response to legal law enforcement actions (even wrong ones) was entirely unacceptable.

Republicans are responding to Biden calling them “semi-fascists” by threatening Civil War if Trump is indicted.



don't worry, they'll forget to bring the guns again.....

Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans have made their choice — to go backwards full of anger, violence, hate and division."

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Biden said he respects "conservative Republicans" and not "MAGA Republicans." The president has for months linked a majority of the GOP to Trump as many have defended the former president and embraced his ideology.

"The MAGA Republicans don’t just threaten our personal rights and economic security,” Biden said. "They’re a threat to our very democracy. They refuse to accept the will of the people. They embrace political violence. They don’t believe in democracy."

Of course Republicans are claiming Biden is talking about all republicans. But clearly that’s not the case .

I’ve said it since Trump was elected he and his faithful are the real threat to the nation

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I’ve said it since Trump was elected he and his faithful are the real threat to the nation



need to get those re-education camps going.....

need to get those re-education camps going.....

the only people cool with your re education camps are the MAGA universe

don't be fooled

Sen. Lindsey Graham said if Trump is prosecuted for mishandling classified information, 'there will be riots in the streets'

Grahams a coward these documents were not mishandled they were TAKEN and Trump refused to return them for 2 years

Someone should Show Graham how email works of course comparing Hillary email issues with Trump's physical boxes of classified documents

these documents were not mishandled they were TAKEN and Trump refused to return them for 2 years



this is correct...trump strangled two secret service people and commandeered the presidential limo and loaded it with nuclear secrets and drove them to maralago and hid them in melania's panties drawer.....

Actually we were somewheres around Helsinki teetering on collusion when the Treason really kicked in….

this is correct...trump strangled two secret service people and commandeered the presidential limo and loaded it with nuclear secrets and drove them to maralago and hid them in melania's panties drawer.....

Do you ever actually post a real opinion on the subject, do you really think Trump had a legal right to take these, then refuse to return them, then lie stating they all had been returned or are we just going to get one liners.

Do you ever actually post a real opinion on the subject, .

yes....regarding the rest, I'll wait for more info...you are happy to convict without a trial someone you hate....that's fine...I've said that if he's done what you and the others claim, they should arrest him...maybe that is coming...funny how that whole nuclear secrets thing has gone away....we'll see

A Russian spy who posed as a “Rothschild” and used a fake ID — had untethered access to Mar-a-Lago; the same hotel where Trump illegally stored classified documents. She also played a round of golf with Trump and Lindsey Graham.
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A Russian spy who posed as a “Rothschild” and used a fake ID — had untethered access to Mar-a-Lago; the same hotel where Trump illegally stored classified documents. She also played a round of golf with Trump and Lindsey Graham.
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isn't there secret service at mar-a-lago?....and will they have to go to jail with trump when he goes to jail?

Actually the secret service will have to protect Trump in jail
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After the U.S. Secret Service Promised the House January 6 Committee It Would Compel Employees—Foremost Among Them Tony Ornato—to Testify Comprehensively About What They Saw Trump Do on January 6, Ornato Quits the Service to Avoid Testifying
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yes....regarding the rest, I'll wait for more info...you are happy to convict without a trial someone you hate....that's fine...I've said that if he's done what you and the others claim, they should arrest him...maybe that is coming...funny how that whole nuclear secrets thing has gone away....we'll see

Wow that’s funny, you think we have formed an opinion based on what others “claim”, that’s a classic Trump defender dodge. I’m pretty sure we have based our opinion on what facts the DOJ has made public. It’s NOT disputed he took a lot of highly classified documents. It’s NOT disputed the NARA asked for over a year repeated to get them back. It’s NOT disputed Trumps lawyer told the DOJ all had been returned. It’s NOT disputed the FBI found lots of classified documents, so Trump and his lawyers lied. Its pretty easy to either agree with those facts, or put your conspiracy theory hat on to suggest it’s deep state again, what may be up for dispute is whether the DOJ has the fortitude to charge a former president. In my opinion (see how easy that is) the DOJ doesn’t have much choice, it’s either the rule of law applies to all, or it allows for future discretions.

Wow that’s funny, you think we have formed an opinion based on what others “claim”



yup

Wow that’s funny, you think we have formed an opinion based on what others “claim”, that’s a classic Trump defender dodge. I’m pretty sure we have based our opinion on what facts the DOJ has made public. It’s NOT disputed he took a lot of highly classified documents. It’s NOT disputed the NARA asked for over a year repeated to get them back. It’s NOT disputed Trumps lawyer told the DOJ all had been returned. It’s NOT disputed the FBI found lots of classified documents, so Trump and his lawyers lied. Its pretty easy to either agree with those facts, or put your conspiracy theory hat on to suggest it’s deep state again, what may be up for dispute is whether the DOJ has the fortitude to charge a former president. In my opinion (see how easy that is) the DOJ doesn’t have much choice, it’s either the rule of law applies to all, or it allows for future discretions.


Republican don't accept or see Trump as the captain of the ship whose duty is "The captain goes down with the ship" is a maritime tradition that a sea captain holds ultimate responsibility for both their ship and everyone embarked on it, and in an emergency will either save those on board or die trying

All his issues are created conveniently by everyone else :sleeps:

Trump doesn’t have to worry about any prosecution because he released a new map indicating MAL is in International Waters and therefore not in FBI jurisdiction.
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Trump doesn’t have to worry about any prosecution because he released a new map indicating MAL is in International Waters and therefore not in FBI jurisdiction.
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Hold my sharpie.

Now we know more about Trumps latest crimes and obstruction.

Key in the DOJ brief are new revelations of facts that go to the core of Trump's criminal liability.

Fact-1: Trump never claimed the documents were declassified.

End of story on that attempted defense or attempt to deter prosecutors from indicting (as a discretionary factor).

Fact 2. Looks like Justice Department has one or more people dead to rights on obstruction, 18 USC 1519.

These newly revealed facts also goes to 18 USC 402 (disobeying the GJ subpoena).

Fact 3. passages on obstruction directly implicate Trump's lawyers in the alleged crimes.

That's NOT going to play out well for Trump if DOJ follows past practice.

Fact 4: The false certification by Trump's lawyers on June 3 that all the documents were returned.

Fact 5: In another passage about June 3 retrieval of classified documents, DOJ states:

Yet again, never a peep by Trump's side with any claim that he had declassified the documents.

Plus Trump counsel's actions suggested they believed the docs were classified.

6. Hard to keep track of all the false statements by Trump's counsel to the Department of Justice/FBI!

Here are more:

- that all records from the White House were stored in one location
- that there were no records in Trump's office space

7. New facts: June 3 search turned up (based on FBI preliminary review):

38 documents with classification markings
16 SECRET
17 TOP SECRET

Including "markings reflecting sensitive compartments and dissemination controls" -- indicating government's most highly guarded secrets.

8. This line points directly at Donald Trump.

In August 8 search, classified documents were

- not simply found in MAL
- not simply found outside the storage room
- not simply found in Trump's office

but found in the desks in his office.

He needs to think about a plea deal.

9. More evidence Trump disobeyed subpoena and concealed more docs.

Recall Trump team certified on June 3 "a diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida."

Yet FBI found on Aug 8

Documents that included the unmissable colored cover sheets.

10. This is a powerful line, and one that a close reader has already come to think by this point.

It's incriminating that the FBI found "in a matter of hours" two times amount of docs with classified markings as Trump team had weeks to locate.

11. Important what happens here:

June 3:
Trump team "explicitly prohibited" DOJ looking inside other boxes in storage room to see if other docs with classified markings there (p. 13).

August 8 FBI search:
FBI finds 76 docs with classified markings in same storage room

But, who hasn't gotten a little absent-minded when handling TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS IN AN UNSECURED LOCATION?????
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If you’re interested, here’s the document
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.41.1_1.pdf

As he said “This was not just extreme carelessness with classified material, which is still totally disqualifying. This is calculated, deliberate, premeditated misconduct — a cover-up [with] false statements and lies to Congress and the American people.”
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If you’re interested, here’s the document
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.41.1_1.pdf

As he said “This was not just extreme carelessness with classified material, which is still totally disqualifying. This is calculated, deliberate, premeditated misconduct — a cover-up [with] false statements and lies to Congress and the American people.”
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I think you've finally proven that trump is a russian spy! :btu:

I think you've finally proven that trump is a russian spy! :btu:

You can think it’s a joke but….
Every sane patriotic American should be #^&#^&#^&#^&ing furious right now. And not at the DOJ/FBI.
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Every sane patriotic American should be #^&#^&#^&#^&ing furious right now.

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you really need help.....

you really need help.....

“we are just talking about some snacks here, no big deal!”
-Scott opening Jeffery Dahmer’s fridge
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DOH!!!

I just hope they got the nuclear codes back...because Dark Brandon is going to need those when he goes to war with Ultra MAGA Special Anniversary Edition

These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed:
1. Trump was not allowed to have these documents.
2. Trump had these documents.

DOJ BIG PICTURE: you don’t make a filing this strong, bold, and factually accusatory if you don’t have every intention to indict.
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DOH!!!

And Republicans saved him at every turn. Such a brave party

Not much different than what you’ve doing now
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Not much different than what you’ve doing now
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What, pointing out the obvious :huh:

amazing how bad Trump's lawyers are.

investigators developed evidence that “government records were likely concealed and removed” from the storage room at Mar-a-Lago after the Justice Department sent Mr. Trump’s office a subpoena for any remaining documents with classified markings. That led prosecutors to conclude that “efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation,” the government filing said.

The filing included one striking visual aid — a photograph of at least five yellow folders recovered from Mr. Trump’s resort and residence marked “Top Secret” and another red one labeled “Secret.”

The Justice Department effort began in May, after the F.B.I. examined 15 boxes of documents the National Archives had previously retrieved from Mar-a-Lago after months of asking Mr. Trump’s representatives to return missing records. The bureau found 184 classified documents in that initial batch.

On May 11, department lawyers obtained a subpoena to retrieve all materials marked as classified that were not turned over by the former president.

On June 3, his team presented F.B.I. agents with 38 additional documents with classified markings, including 17 labeled top secret.

But one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers present during that visit “explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,” the filing said.

Mr. Trump’s team also provided the department’s national security division with a written statement on behalf of his office by one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers who was serving as the formal “custodian” of the files. While that person’s name has been redacted in government filings, multiple people have identified her as Christina Bobb.

Ms. Bobb’s statement was attached to the department’s filing on Tuesday. In it, the lawyer wrote that “based upon the information that has been provided to me,” there had been a “diligent” search and all documents responsive to the subpoena were being returned.

If you don't think a decision has been made, you haven't been listening to what Merrick Garland has stated:Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly...
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Is it any wonder the word seems to be that Trump has problems finding lawyers?

Attorney Don Lewis noted Bobb now joins the ranks of other legally compromised Trump lawyers.

“Christina Bobb joins Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, Jeffrey Clark, Jenna Ellis, and Michael Cohen as Trump World lawyers who’ve ended up with their law licenses and/or freedom at risk,” Lewis commented.

All he had to do was give them back when asked

the faithful seem to overlook that simple Fact and would rather blame everyone else as the usually do. then actual Blame Trump himself for his current situation .

Trump supporters keep treating him as if he's not the spoiled Brat everyone around knows he is .. he's just misunderstood or he's special:faga:

so stop picking on him

I bet this photo is a false flag operation planted by the FBI


And Trump never said this

In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information,” Trump intoned at a 2016 rally in North Carolina. “No one will be above the law.”

If you don't think a decision has been made, you haven't been listening to what Merrick Garland has stated:Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly...
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which must be why he's so busy leaking to the media and trying to control the narrative...you'd think with all of this overwhelming evidence of treason, he'd just arrest trump and his band of russian spies....think of the damage they could be doing to the country right now

hey, noticed you haven't been gleefully updating the polls lately :rotf2::rotf2:

which must be why he's so busy leaking to the media and trying to control the narrative...you'd think with all of this overwhelming evidence of treason, he'd just arrest trump and his band of russian spies....think of the damage they could be doing to the country right now

hey, noticed you haven't been gleefully updating the polls lately :rotf2::rotf2:

You mean counter the narrative correct? No of course not you are the right spin machine on this world influential political forum :jump: You of course being the legal mind you are can’t understand the delay:jump:

You mean counter the narrative correct?



That’s not their job….unless this is political and they are worried that they have a weak case for going in….if they have all the evidence they say….they shouldn’t need to play media games
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That’s not their job….unless this is political and they are worried that they have a weak case for going in….if they have all the evidence they say….they shouldn’t need to play media games
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Your either clueless, which you suggest at every turn your not, or you just don’t understand the process.

Your either clueless, which you suggest at every turn your not, or you just don’t understand the process.

"the process"..involves media leaks and pushing a narrative through friendly media outlets?...what ever happened to nuclear codes and secrets???

or you just don’t understand the process.

you might remember at all of the other raids they arrested people....and they weren't selling nuclear secrets to foreign countries

"the process"..involves media leaks and pushing a narrative through friendly media outlets?...what ever happened to nuclear codes and secrets???

You continue to spin, ignoring the facts, none of these documents belonged to Trump, they belong to the government. If there were compromised secrets involving a former president, all the more reason for the DOJ to proceed carefully. Do you refute any of the evidence released, if you do loosen the foil hat, it will impact your mental health.

Do you refute any of the evidence released, if you do loosen the foil hat, it will impact your mental health.

I'm not in a position to confirm or refute anything, neither are you....I hope they arrest him soon though, the suspense is killing me.....if all you guys claim is true...he's a threat to our democracy out there riding around in a golf cart

I'm not in a position to confirm or refute anything, neither are you....I hope they arrest him soon though, the suspense is killing me.....if all you guys claim is true...he's a threat to our democracy out there riding around in a golf cart

If your an American and are concerned about our national security, which may at times rely on human sources, you should be concerned about that intel being taken and stored in an unsecured location. I suspect the latest photo released was probably photo shopped in your head, the only reason for the delay is the fact this case involves a former president and it’s extremely serious. Did your open your wallet after the raid, I’m curious how tied to the big lier you really are.

I’m curious how tied to the big lier you really are.



I'm curious if you made it past the 4th grade...

I've never voted for trump or sent him any money...I might send him cookies in prison.....

Scott insults me I’m devastated, I’m going to have to seek help, your a clown and I don’t take you seriously.

Scott insults me I’m devastated, I’m going to have to seek help, your a clown and I don’t take you seriously.

just responded in kind...you claim that's ok....

I bet this photo is a false flag operation planted by the FBI




are those TIME magazine covers in the evidence photo TOP SECRET or Nuclear Secrets?

are those TIME magazine covers in the evidence photo TOP SECRET or Nuclear Secrets?


Guess your playing stupid again. Unable to figure out what boxes those documents were being stored in


No those have codes have ketchup stains and needed to be cleaned

Guess your playing stupid again. Unable to figure out what boxes those documents were being stored in


No those have codes have ketchup stains and needed to be cleaned

Stupid is Trump suggesting this is like having overdue library books, you would have to read to have a library card and treasure trove of overdue books.

are those TIME magazine covers in the evidence photo TOP SECRET or Nuclear Secrets?

Far simpler than that

The TIME magazine cover, along with Trump’s other personal items commingled with the classified, demonstrates that he was personally handling them.

It wasn’t just forgotten boxes in a storage room
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Far simpler than that

The TIME magazine cover, along with Trump’s other personal items commingled with the classified, demonstrates that he was personally handling them.


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right...and the box indicates he was getting ready to take them to Post All and ship them to a foreign dictator.....good job Inspector Clouseau

Silly troll
Presidential papers didn’t and don’t belong to Trump
He stole them
He knew it
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Silly troll
Presidential papers didn’t and don’t belong to Trump
He stole them
He knew it
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I thought this was about nuclear secrets?

I thought this was about nuclear secrets?

Then you’re obviously not paying attention
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Wonder what happened to the contents of the empty folders?

NEW: Unsealed detailed inventory of what FBI seized from Trump’s office includes:
— 7 TOP SECRET marked docs
— 43 Empty CLASSIFIED folders
— 28 Empty Return to Staff Sec/Mil. Aid folders
— 26 Magazines/Press Articles 1/2020-11/2020
— 99 Magazines/Press Articles 1/2017-10/2018
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Per government source: if there is an empty folder that was originally used to properly store classified records, there will be documentation indicating who put the records in that folder, why they were placed there, and what the records were.
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Per government source: if there is an empty folder that was originally used to properly store classified records, there will be documentation indicating who put the records in that folder, why they were placed there, and what the records were.
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it's hard to believe there have been no arrests...

it's hard to believe there have been no arrests...

You watch too much television
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it's hard to believe there have been no arrests...

Any day now
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You watch too much television
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I actually watch almost no television....

I actually watch almost no television....

Just get your info from drumbeats?
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Bill Barr on Fox: "People say the search was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take classified information and put them in a county club. How long (do they) wait? They asked, were deceived, issued a subpoena, deceived, they were being jerked around.“
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Just get your info from drumbeats?
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nope....I eagerly await your daily updates....:bl:

Here’s one

After learning today that Trump had 43 EMPTY folders in his office that should have contained classified documents, the FBI and DHS are now searching, and seizing boxes from, the NY and FLA properties of Russian oligarch Victor Vekselberg. Coincidence?
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Judge Cannon says she has to ignore SCOTUS EP and 4A precedent to, "ensure at least the appearance of fairness and integrity."

This is why, traditionally, we don’t allow criminals to appoint more than a fourth of the federal judiciary and a third of the Supreme Court.
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The producer warned: Fox cannot let host Jeanine Pirro back on the air. She is pulling conspiracy theories from dark corners of the Web to justify then-President Donald Trump's lies that the election had been stolen from him. The existence of the email, confirmed by two people with direct knowledge of it, is first publicly disclosed by NPR in this story. Fox News declined comment.


But but hunters laptop
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I thought this was about nuclear secrets?

Trump's espionage case just went from Victoria's Secret to Nuclear Secret.

Details about nuclear capabilities of a foreign government were in records seized at trump's Mar-a-Lago in early August. As well as details of US programs so secret that seniormost natsec officials didn't know they existed.
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Trump's espionage case just went from Victoria's Secret to Nuclear Secret.

Details about nuclear capabilities of a foreign government were in records seized at trump's Mar-a-Lago in early August. As well as details of US programs so secret that seniormost natsec officials didn't know they existed.
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My money is on Israeli nuclear capabilities .
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My money is on Israeli nuclear capabilities .
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Operation Act of God?
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Operation Act of God?
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Operation antichrist forcing the rapture.
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Operation antichrist forcing the rapture.
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Actually I had it wrong
Operation Wrath of God is what I was thinking of, Israeli retribution for Munich 72
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Doesn’t every president take those special keepsakes home with them when they leave office?

Doesn’t every president take those special keepsakes home with them when they leave office?

Republicans don’t care about past statements just pure partisanship 24x7:ss:

We are a nation of laws, and those laws should be applied equally to all Americans, regardless of their political connections," said Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., after the FBI reopened its investigation into Clinton's use of a private email server.

"Today's decision by the FBI to reopen this case is a critical step toward ensuring that elites like Secretary Clinton are held accountable by the same laws that apply to every other American," Scalise said in a statement in 2016.

Trump

July 6, 2016:

Trump tweeted, "Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team 'were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.' Not fit!"


Aug. 16, 2016:

At a campaign event in West Bend, Wisconsin, Trump said, "We've seen a former secretary of state lie to Congress about her illegal email scheme, risk innocent American lives and bring dishonor onto our government, great, great dishonor."

"In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information,

Aug. 18, 2016:

At a campaign event in Charlotte, North Carolina, Trump said, "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law."

Sept. 7, 2016:

At a campaign event in Philadelphia, Trump said, "One of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information."


Sept. 19, 2016:

At a campaign event in Fort Meyers, Florida, Trump said, “We also need the best protection of classified information. That is the worst situation. Hillary's private email scandal, which put our classified information in the reach of our enemies, disqualifies her from the presidency. Totally."

Oct. 17, 2016:

Trump tweeted, "Wikileaks proves even the Clinton campaign knew Crooked, mishandled classified info, but no one gets charged? RIGGED!"

But the faithful just ignore such statements ! seeing he’s the victim of the deep state

classic....:rotf3:

classic....:rotf3:

Classic what about
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Judge dismisses Trump lawsuit against Hillary Clinton over 2016 election
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When you lose Judge Napolitano…..

It gives me no joy to write this piece.

Even a cursory review of the redacted version of the affidavit submitted in support of the government’s application for a search warrant at the home of former President Donald Trump reveals that he will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury for three crimes: Removing and concealing national defense information (NDI), giving NDI to those not legally entitled to possess it, and obstruction of justice by failing to return NDI to those who are legally entitled to retrieve it.

When he learned from a phone call that 30 FBI agents were at the front door of his Florida residence with a search warrant and he decided to reveal this publicly, Mr. Trump assumed that the agents were looking for classified top-secret materials that they’d allege he criminally possessed. His assumptions were apparently based on his gut instinct and not on a sophisticated analysis of the law. Hence, his public boast that he declassified all the formerly classified documents he took with him.

Unbeknownst to him, the feds had anticipated such a defense and are not preparing to indict him for possessing classified materials, even though he did possess hundreds of voluntarily surrendered materials marked “top secret.” It is irrelevant if the documents were declassified, as the feds will charge crimes that do not require proof of classification. They told the federal judge who signed the search warrant that Mr. Trump still had NDI in his home. It appears they were correct.

Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply and always criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances move it from one place to another, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it. Stated differently, the absence of classification — for whatever reason — is not a defense to the charges that are likely to be filed against Mr. Trump.

Yet, misreading and underestimating the feds, Mr. Trump actually did them a favor. One of the elements that they must prove for any of the three crimes is that Mr. Trump knew that he had the documents. The favor he did was admit to that when he boasted that they were no longer classified. He committed a mortal sin in the criminal defense world by denying something for which he had not been accused.

The second element that the feds must prove is that the documents actually do contain national defense information. And the third element they must prove is that Mr. Trump put these documents into the hands of those not authorized to hold them and stored them in a non-federally secured place. Intelligence community experts have already examined the documents taken from Mr. Trump’s home and are prepared to tell a jury that they contain the names of foreign agents secretly working for the U.S. This is the crown jewel of government secrets. Moreover, Mr. Trump’s Florida home is not a secure federal facility designated for the deposit of NDI.

The newest aspect of the case against Mr. Trump that we learned from the redacted affidavit is the obstruction allegation. This is not the obstruction that Robert Mueller claimed he found Mr. Trump committed during the Russia investigation. This is a newer obstruction statute, signed by President George W. Bush in 2002, that places far fewer burdens on the feds to prove. The older statute is the one Mr. Mueller alleged. It characterizes any material interference with a judicial function as criminal. Thus, one who lies to a grand jury or prevents a witness from testifying commits this variant of obstruction.

But the Bush-era statute, the one the feds contemplate charging Mr. Trump with having violated, makes it a crime of obstruction by failing to return government property or by sending the FBI on a wild goose chase looking for something that belongs to the government and that you know that you have. This statute does not require the preexistence of a judicial proceeding. It only requires that the defendant has the government’s property, knows that he has it and baselessly resists efforts by the government to get it back.

Where does all this leave Mr. Trump? The short answer is: in hot water. The longer answer is: He is confronting yet again the federal law enforcement and intelligence communities for which he has rightly expressed such public disdain. He had valid points of expression during the Russia investigation. He has little ground upon which to stand today.

I have often argued that many of these statutes that the feds have enacted to protect themselves are morally unjust and not grounded in the Constitution. One of my intellectual heroes, the great Murray Rothbard, taught that the government protects itself far more aggressively than it protects our natural rights.

In a monumental irony, both Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks journalist who exposed American war crimes during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency employee who exposed criminal mass government surveillance upon the American public, stand charged with the very same crimes that are likely to be brought against Mr. Trump. On both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden, Mr. Trump argued that they should be executed. Fortunately for all three, these statutes do not provide for capital punishment.

Mr. Rothbard warned that the feds aggressively protect themselves. Yet, both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden are heroic defenders of liberty with valid moral and legal defenses. Mr. Assange is protected by the Pentagon Papers case, which insulates the media from criminal or civil liability for revealing stolen matters of interest to the public, so long as the revealer is not the thief. Mr. Snowden is protected by the Constitution, which expressly prohibits the warrantless surveillance he revealed, which was the most massive peacetime abuse of government power.

What will Mr. Trump say in his defense to taking national defense information? I cannot think of a legally viable one.

• Andrew P. Napolitano is a former professor of law and judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey who has published nine books on the U.S. Constitution.
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When you lose Judge Napolitano…..

It gives me no joy to write this piece.

Even a cursory review of the redacted version of the affidavit submitted in support of the government’s application for a search warrant at the home of former President Donald Trump reveals that he will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury for three crimes: Removing and concealing national defense information (NDI), giving NDI to those not legally entitled to possess it, and obstruction of justice by failing to return NDI to those who are legally entitled to retrieve it.

When he learned from a phone call that 30 FBI agents were at the front door of his Florida residence with a search warrant and he decided to reveal this publicly, Mr. Trump assumed that the agents were looking for classified top-secret materials that they’d allege he criminally possessed. His assumptions were apparently based on his gut instinct and not on a sophisticated analysis of the law. Hence, his public boast that he declassified all the formerly classified documents he took with him.

Unbeknownst to him, the feds had anticipated such a defense and are not preparing to indict him for possessing classified materials, even though he did possess hundreds of voluntarily surrendered materials marked “top secret.” It is irrelevant if the documents were declassified, as the feds will charge crimes that do not require proof of classification. They told the federal judge who signed the search warrant that Mr. Trump still had NDI in his home. It appears they were correct.

Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply and always criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances move it from one place to another, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it. Stated differently, the absence of classification — for whatever reason — is not a defense to the charges that are likely to be filed against Mr. Trump.

Yet, misreading and underestimating the feds, Mr. Trump actually did them a favor. One of the elements that they must prove for any of the three crimes is that Mr. Trump knew that he had the documents. The favor he did was admit to that when he boasted that they were no longer classified. He committed a mortal sin in the criminal defense world by denying something for which he had not been accused.

The second element that the feds must prove is that the documents actually do contain national defense information. And the third element they must prove is that Mr. Trump put these documents into the hands of those not authorized to hold them and stored them in a non-federally secured place. Intelligence community experts have already examined the documents taken from Mr. Trump’s home and are prepared to tell a jury that they contain the names of foreign agents secretly working for the U.S. This is the crown jewel of government secrets. Moreover, Mr. Trump’s Florida home is not a secure federal facility designated for the deposit of NDI.

The newest aspect of the case against Mr. Trump that we learned from the redacted affidavit is the obstruction allegation. This is not the obstruction that Robert Mueller claimed he found Mr. Trump committed during the Russia investigation. This is a newer obstruction statute, signed by President George W. Bush in 2002, that places far fewer burdens on the feds to prove. The older statute is the one Mr. Mueller alleged. It characterizes any material interference with a judicial function as criminal. Thus, one who lies to a grand jury or prevents a witness from testifying commits this variant of obstruction.

But the Bush-era statute, the one the feds contemplate charging Mr. Trump with having violated, makes it a crime of obstruction by failing to return government property or by sending the FBI on a wild goose chase looking for something that belongs to the government and that you know that you have. This statute does not require the preexistence of a judicial proceeding. It only requires that the defendant has the government’s property, knows that he has it and baselessly resists efforts by the government to get it back.

Where does all this leave Mr. Trump? The short answer is: in hot water. The longer answer is: He is confronting yet again the federal law enforcement and intelligence communities for which he has rightly expressed such public disdain. He had valid points of expression during the Russia investigation. He has little ground upon which to stand today.

I have often argued that many of these statutes that the feds have enacted to protect themselves are morally unjust and not grounded in the Constitution. One of my intellectual heroes, the great Murray Rothbard, taught that the government protects itself far more aggressively than it protects our natural rights.

In a monumental irony, both Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks journalist who exposed American war crimes during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency employee who exposed criminal mass government surveillance upon the American public, stand charged with the very same crimes that are likely to be brought against Mr. Trump. On both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden, Mr. Trump argued that they should be executed. Fortunately for all three, these statutes do not provide for capital punishment.

Mr. Rothbard warned that the feds aggressively protect themselves. Yet, both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden are heroic defenders of liberty with valid moral and legal defenses. Mr. Assange is protected by the Pentagon Papers case, which insulates the media from criminal or civil liability for revealing stolen matters of interest to the public, so long as the revealer is not the thief. Mr. Snowden is protected by the Constitution, which expressly prohibits the warrantless surveillance he revealed, which was the most massive peacetime abuse of government power.

What will Mr. Trump say in his defense to taking national defense information? I cannot think of a legally viable one.

• Andrew P. Napolitano is a former professor of law and judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey who has published nine books on the U.S. Constitution.
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No republicans or conservatives will read this . Or even consider the source

They only believe Rudy and Alan Dershowitz or their latest hero #^&#^&#^&#^& Morris no other legal views are required
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Today marks the 21 year anniversary of Donald Trump boasting on tape that he now has the tallest building in lower Manhattan.
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Seems MAGA meaning has changed again

to “making attorneys get attorneys.”:huh:

Today marks the 21 year anniversary of Donald Trump boasting on tape that he now has the tallest building in lower Manhattan.
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Which was a lie of course.
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Today marks the 21 year anniversary of Donald Trump boasting on tape that he now has the tallest building in lower Manhattan.
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As if anyone need a reminder what a vile person he is.

One thing is now abundantly clear: Trump is the target of multiple DOJ investigations.
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The Special Master has asked Trump's team for declarations re: *any actions* he's taken to declassify material that was recovered from MAL. Trump's team stated in a filing tonight that it is *resisting* that request because it could expose Trump to criminal liability. LMFAO
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Trump wanted a Special Master. Thanks to corrupt Judge Cannon, he got it. Trump’s team suggested Dearie. They got him. Now Dearie is asking Trump to back up his claims. By end of week Scott, Trump & GOP will attack Dearie and claim it’s all rigged. Media will parrot the talking points. Jim will find a whatabout……
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Thanks to corrupt Judge Cannon,

By end of week Scott, Trump & GOP will attack Dearie and claim it’s all rigged. Media will parrot the talking points. Jim will find a whatabout……


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you are an idiot

you are an idiot

Well, Troll you’re a …….troll
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it's devastating to be called a troll by an idiot :rotf2:

hey, why are you no longer constantly updating us and gloating over all of the polling showing democrats winning in November?

it's devastating to be called a troll by an idiot :rotf2:

hey, why are you no longer constantly updating us and gloating over all of the polling showing democrats winning in November?

I wouldn't call you a troll. I would call you a snarky troll.

I wouldn't call you a troll. I would call you a snarky troll.

coming from a 4th grader...I guess that's fine :)

coming from a 4th grader...I guess that's fine :)

In fifth now

In fifth now

I guess repeating 4th grade really paid off for you...congrats!

New lawsuit by NY AG against Trump and his 3 kids for $250 mil could put him out of doing business in NY

New lawsuit by NY AG against Trump and his 3 kids for $250 mil could put him out of doing business in NY

and she's twittering up a storm about it today...apparently she plans to try this case on twitter :bl:

Hard to keep track of how many investigations or law suits are coming his way, he is going to make Nixon look like a Boy Scout.

Today was an especially bad day for Donald Trump. If you put on Fox News you could hear all about Hillary.
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Hard to keep track of how many investigations or law suits are coming his way, he is going to make Nixon look like a Boy Scout.

crazy ain't it?

trump makes nixon look good

brandon makes jimmy cater look good

actually, with brandon sending the fbi and justice after his political enemies

brandon makes nixon look good too.....

If you put on Fox News you could hear all about Hillary.

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is she still claiming trump's victory over her was illegitimate?

Today was an especially bad day for Donald Trump.

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it's fun when their bombshells blow up in their faces....

@KurtSchlichter
Let's get real - if they thought they had Trump they would have filed a criminal case, but they have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. A civil suit is a preponderance of the evidence. They had no criminal case. They chose civil "fraud" to impress dumb people.

Bill Barr...the left's new darling for criticizing trump recently...

"Bill Barr calls New York's Trump lawsuit a 'political hit job': Former AG calls $250 million case a result of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' - and dragging his children in his a 'gross overreach' Barr said she filed a civil suit because she 'doesn't have the evidence to make a criminal case' "

it's fun when their bombshells blow up in their faces....

@KurtSchlichter
Let's get real - if they thought they had Trump they would have filed a criminal case, but they have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. A civil suit is a preponderance of the evidence. They had no criminal case. They chose civil "fraud" to impress dumb people.

Bill Barr...the left's new darling for criticizing trump recently...

"Bill Barr calls New York's Trump lawsuit a 'political hit job': Former AG calls $250 million case a result of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' - and dragging his children in his a 'gross overreach' Barr said she filed a civil suit because she 'doesn't have the evidence to make a criminal case' "


Funny it was fine when they did the same thing to OJ

So Trumps special FYI there is more than one way to skin a cat under the law .. so they bear responsibility for thier deed

But it appears the faithful only respect the law when Trump uses it to obstruct and delay any from of accountability


Of course Scott we don’t read a comment about Trumps behaviors?

One would conclude you support his tax cheating.. but of course you’ll reply you never said that

actually, with brandon sending the fbi and justice after his political enemies
..



Spoken like the true cult member we all know you are ..

Funny it was fine when they did the same thing to OJ



I think the families of those stabbed to death filed civil charges...

"three civil suits for wrongful death had been filed against O.J. Simpson: by Fred Goldman, father of Ron Goldman; by Ron's mother, Sharon Rufo, who had divorced Fred when Ron was six years old; and by the Brown family."

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cult member

..

keep repeating....maybe make a sign and stand at the corner of your street...with pete

Pete and Wayne on there way to a day of posting in the political forum

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is she still claiming trump's victory over her was illegitimate?

The stable genius strikes again:

Trump sat with Hannity Wednesday, the interview of which revealed several interesting moments, not least of which is the former president’s claim that he could declassify any document “by thinking about it.” There were no other moments in which he expounded on presidential telekinetic powers.

Still, he did seem to take Hannity aback by saying that the real reason that FBI agents performed a search and seizure at his Mar-a-Lago estate was that they were seeking deleted emails from the former Secretary of State and Democratic nominee in the 2016 election.

“I would say there’s a very good chance that a lot of those documents will never be seen again,” Trump said before pivoting to what some may call magical thinking about the reason for the “raid.” “There’s also a lot of speculation, because of what they did, the severity of the FBI coming in, raiding Mar-a-Lago, were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails that were deleted … but they are around someplace … were they looking for …”

At this point, Hannity appeared to be talking about, interrupting his guest with “wait, wait wait, you’re not saying you you had it?”

Trump followed by saying that the FBI Agents “may have thought that was in there.”

The stable genius strikes again:

Trump sat with Hannity Wednesday, the interview of which revealed several interesting moments, not least of which is the former president’s claim that he could declassify any document “by thinking about it.” There were no other moments in which he expounded on presidential telekinetic powers.

Still, he did seem to take Hannity aback by saying that the real reason that FBI agents performed a search and seizure at his Mar-a-Lago estate was that they were seeking deleted emails from the former Secretary of State and Democratic nominee in the 2016 election.

“I would say there’s a very good chance that a lot of those documents will never be seen again,” Trump said before pivoting to what some may call magical thinking about the reason for the “raid.” “There’s also a lot of speculation, because of what they did, the severity of the FBI coming in, raiding Mar-a-Lago, were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails that were deleted … but they are around someplace … were they looking for …”

At this point, Hannity appeared to be talking about, interrupting his guest with “wait, wait wait, you’re not saying you you had it?”

Trump followed by saying that the FBI Agents “may have thought that was in there.”

We all were told he was the smartest, the richest, but now to learn he can just think about something and it becomes reality wow. I might have to rethink my vote in 24 if he runs, what better president, than one with super powers.

We all were told he was the smartest, the richest, .

Who told us that, exactly?

Former President Donald Trump maintains that a president can declassify documents just by even "thinking about it."

Yep keep supporting this clown

Who told us that, exactly?

Really Jim, Trump told us, I’m shocked you didn’t follow that one. Of course those were more of the thousands of lies, whether it’s intelligence, amount of wealth, election wins, magically declassification of top secret documents, Trumps continues to spin the lies for the mindless faithful who believe his BS.

Really Jim, Trump told us, I’m shocked you didn’t follow that one. Of course those were more of the thousands of lies, whether it’s intelligence, amount of wealth, election wins, magically declassification of top secret documents, Trumps continues to spin the lies for the mindless faithful who believe his BS.

Lies are bad, eh?

Do when Biden says he was arrested with nelson Mandela, that he drive a tractor trailer, that he beat Corn Pop to a pulp, that the GOP wants to put blacks back in chains…these are acceptable kinds of lies because they were told by a democrat?

Just a little consistency would go a long, long way.

Everything is ok when democrats do it.

Lies are bad, eh?

Do when Biden says he was arrested with nelson Mandela, that he drive a tractor trailer, that he beat Corn Pop to a pulp, that the GOP wants to put blacks back in chains…these are acceptable kinds of lies because they were told by a democrat?

Just a little consistency would go a long, long way.

Everything is ok when democrats do it.

I tell you what, when Biden’s little white lies result in thousands storming the capitol, when his lies result in almost a thousand charged and arrested, when his lies and those in his employ result in criminal convictions, when he starts stealing national defense secrets and lies about it, well you get my point; not even a comparison.

I tell you what, when Biden’s little white lies result in thousands storming the capitol, when his lies result in almost a thousand charged and arrested, when his lies and those in his employ result in criminal convictions, when he starts stealing national defense secrets and lies about it, well you get my point; not even a comparison.

Ah. So telling the country that Republicans want to put blacks back in chains is a little white lie. That's convenient.

How about when Democrats tell lies that cops are out to assassinate black people, and cities get burned?

Tell me which led to more deaths and property damage - the 2020 BLM riots, or the riot at the capital.

Have fun with that.

The one thing I've always been shocked at is Trump's willingness to say things about all the lawsuits against him yet he never wants to appear in court where he has a forum to address them or he takes the 5th hundreds of times.

Shocking.

Ah. So telling the country that Republicans want to put blacks back in chains is a little white lie. That's convenient.

How about when Democrats tell lies that cops are out to assassinate black people, and cities get burned?

Tell me which led to more deaths and property damage - the 2020 BLM riots, or the riot at the capital.

Have fun with that.

Jim if you are going to quote someone get it correct and while I’m not saying Biden used good judgement, he said Republican “policies” would basically set them back in time and you of all people living in the past, must have understood his meaning, it wasn’t literal.

Of course you suggest and generalize that democrats as a whole stated cops are out to assassinate blacks, which is a lame reach at best. Did you not hear Biden say we shouldn’t defund police, we should fund the police, that doesn’t fit your narrative. If you understand the history and decades of blacks being profiled, wrongly detained and killed without due process, than you would understand seeing another unjustified death fueled the riots, not a comment by Biden. No shock that you might claim Biden’s words led to those riots, again good luck making them seem equally destructive.

Want to compare things, put a dollar value and loss of life number in those riots and what the black race as a whole has suffered at the hands of those feeling they are an inferior race. Trust me you wouldn’t have to go to far back in your time machine to cancel the BLM riots out.

Jim if you are going to quote someone get it correct and while I’m not saying Biden used good judgement, he said Republican “policies” would basically set them back in time and you of all people living in the past, must have understood his meaning, it wasn’t literal.

Of course you suggest and generalize that democrats as a whole stated cops are out to assassinate blacks, which is a lame reach at best. Did you not hear Biden say we shouldn’t defund police, we should fund the police, that doesn’t fit your narrative. If you understand the history and decades of blacks being profiled, wrongly detained and killed without due process, than you would understand seeing another unjustified death fueled the riots, not a comment by Biden. No shock that you might claim Biden’s words led to those riots, again good luck making them seem equally destructive.

Want to compare things, put a dollar value and loss of life number in those riots and what the black race as a whole has suffered at the hands of those feeling they are an inferior race. Trust me you wouldn’t have to go to far back in your time machine to cancel the BLM riots out.

"Jim if you are going to quote someone get it correct and while I’m not saying Biden used good judgement, he said Republican “policies” would basically set them back in time and you of all people living in the past, must have understood his meaning, it wasn’t literal. "

I did quote him accurately. He said "he (meaning Romney) is gonna put y'all back in chains."

"Of course you suggest and generalize that democrats as a whole stated cops are out to assassinate blacks, which is a lame reach at best. Did you not hear Biden say we shouldn’t defund police"

Yes I heard that. But I heard Obama say that cops killing blacks are connected incidents, meaning there's some plot. And I've heard other prominent liberals bash the police, and so have you. And I heard many prominent liberals refuse to condemn the violence in the summer of 2020, and so did you.

And I heard Biden say that those who want smaller federal government are fascists and a threat to America. I heard Hilary say they're deplorable and irredeemable.

But everything is always OK when the left does it!

"I’m not saying Biden used good judgement"

Come on, don't be so harsh...

"what the black race as a whole has suffered at the hands of those feeling they are an inferior race"

I agree that blacks have suffered at the hands of such people. But those people causing the suffering, are not the Republican party, no matter how many times the say it on The View. Democrats fought for slavery and segregation, and fight today against school choice.

Why would I be in favor of school choice, which disproportionately helps blacks, if I hated blacks?

Want to compare things, put a dollar value and loss of life number in those riots and what the black race as a whole has suffered at the hands of those feeling they are an inferior race. Trust me you wouldn’t have to go to far back in your time machine to cancel the BLM riots out.

So because black suffered historically, blacks today can loot stores, owned by people who never did any harm?

Your funny Jim, it’s comical watching you in this forum, I do love to watch it.

Your funny Jim, it’s comical watching you in this forum, I do love to watch it.

Which one of us brought slavery up?

So because black suffered historically, blacks today can loot stores, owned by people who never did any harm?

No and that’s why so many were arrested and charged, but you seemed to attribute those riots in part to Biden’s comments, which if your honest about it is BS.

Which one of us brought slavery up?

I believe you did, I talked about history, much of the abuse has happened this side of the civil war. You love to reach for straws to win arguments, that is what I find so amusing.

Mar-a-Lago special master orders Trump attorneys to say whether the former president believes the FBI lied about seized documents

Can’t wait for the response

I believe you did, I talked about history, much of the abuse has happened this side of the civil war. You love to reach for straws to win arguments, that is what I find so amusing.

Read post #130.

"much of the abuse has happened this side of the civil war."

Ah. So slavery doesn't represent most of the abuse. That's just a footnote in the story of blacks. Let me guess, Trump did more to hurt blacks than slavery did? Please, keep talking about history.

Let's talk about the post civil war...Which side advocated for segregation? Which side advocates against school choice? Which side wants a Planned Parenthood on every single corner in black neighborhoods? Which side dismisses how crucial dads are in the life of kids? Which side refused to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever at the state of the union?

What's the GOP done to blacks that even comes close to all that? Trump, for all his flaws, got black unemployment to its lowest ever recorded, increased funding for black colleges, got companies to invest in economic opportunity zones in blighted urban areas, advocated for school choice, and pushed for criminal justice reform (which liberals have demanded for decades, which Obama could easily have delivered when the democrats controlled congress, but which took Trump to actually pull off).

Make any of that wrong.

Read post #130.

"much of the abuse has happened this side of the civil war."

Ah. So slavery doesn't represent most of the abuse. That's just a footnote in the story of blacks. Let me guess, Trump did more to hurt blacks than slavery did? Please, keep talking about history.

Let's talk about the post civil war...Which side advocated for segregation? Which side advocates against school choice? Which side wants a Planned Parenthood on every single corner in black neighborhoods? Which side dismisses how crucial dads are in the life of kids? Which side refused to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever at the state of the union?

What's the GOP done to blacks that even comes close to all that? Trump, for all his flaws, got black unemployment to its lowest ever recorded, increased funding for black colleges, got companies to invest in economic opportunity zones in blighted urban areas, advocated for school choice, and pushed for criminal justice reform (which liberals have demanded for decades, which Obama could easily have delivered when the democrats controlled congress, but which took Trump to actually pull off).

Make any of that wrong.

I have, you’re boring

Start with Lee Atwater’s Southern Strategy…..
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Perfect

The former president failed to derail the criminal investigation into his hoarding of sensitive documents and is stuck paying for a costly process that threatens to undermine his public claims.

Fighting back tears, they are saying to him things like, "Sir, no one could have botched this as badly as you did—absolutely no one. You've given F.U.B.A.R. a whole new meaning."
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Trump insists the FBI planted docs. but his lawyers are refusing to submit a sworn declaration on stating whether they believe the government's list of property taken from Trump's Florida estate is accurate.

And we elected this clown.

Trump insists the FBI planted docs. but his lawyers are refusing to submit a sworn declaration on stating whether they believe the government's list of property taken from Trump's Florida estate is accurate.

And we elected this clown.

Donald Trump got the court-ordered review he wanted of documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago home as well as his preferred pick for a so-called special master to carry it out. But less than a month in, the former president has complaints about how that review is taking shape.

You can always excuse it away with both sides do it :faga:

Cannon rules Trump lawyers don’t have to clarify claims on Mar-a-Lago documents

Wow she appoints the guy Trump wanted then knee caps him . When he wants them to provided evidence..

Yep nothing to see
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So less than 24 hours after reports about the explosions at Nord Stream gas pipelines came out, Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, and Charlie Kirk rushed to either blame the US for it or just urge the US not to respond and stay "calm."

Putin got what he paid for.
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explosions at Nord Stream gas pipelines


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I heard trump did it with the nuclear secrets that he stole....

he choked the secret service, commandeered the limo, stole the nuclear secrets, drove them underwater to the Nord Stream pipeline and blew it up.....friggin' MacGyver move...probably in a hotel room in Moscow right now with some crazy hookers

Trump - tonight at his rally - said: “I think they’d like to see me in prison."
Updated tally:
Lies: 7809303956
True statements: 1
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