on The View, surrounded by all the deep thinkers there, Abrams said she won in 2018, and the hosts gushed over there at that she hasn’t conceded.

The left is very principled about calling out unsubstantiated claims of elections being stolen.

Everything is OK when the left does it. Naturally she blamed racism, even though black turnout was astronomical.

on The View, surrounded by all the deep thinkers there, Abrams said she won in 2018, and the hosts gushed over there at that she hasn’t conceded.

The left is very principled about calling out unsubstantiated claims of elections being stolen.

Everything is OK when the left does it. Naturally she blamed racism, even though black turnout was astronomical.

You use honesty as if you have any

Once again spoon fed by you keepers over on Fox

Did you even take a minute to read past the head line ? it clearly states

Stacey Abrams praised on 'The View' for not conceding election, defends saying she 'won' Georgia race in 2018

But that’s not her response

Abrams said she appreciated the framing of Hostin's question. "I have never denied that I lost. I don’t live in the governor’s mansion. I would have noticed," she said And there is this clip that’s going around, and it shows me saying that we won, and what I was referring to was that we won in terms of communities that were long left out of the electoral process finally participating in '18 in outstanding numbers," she said.

She went on to say again. Co-host Alyssa Farah Griffin thanked Abrams for "admitting" she outright did not win. "That’s such a rare thing," she said.

"I did it on the day I didn’t win," Abrams said. "I’m not the governor, said that. The other is the election wasn’t fair to voters.

Not sure why you hate women

And of course at the bottom of the story

George Soros throws $1M behind Stacey Abrams' second gubernatorial run

Fox feeding the hordes
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You use honesty as if you have any

Once again spoon fed by you keepers over on Fox

Did you even take a minute to read past the head line ? it clearly states

Stacey Abrams praised on 'The View' for not conceding election, defends saying she 'won' Georgia race in 2018

But that’s not her response

Abrams said she appreciated the framing of Hostin's question. "I have never denied that I lost. I don’t live in the governor’s mansion. I would have noticed," she said And there is this clip that’s going around, and it shows me saying that we won, and what I was referring to was that we won in terms of communities that were long left out of the electoral process finally participating in '18 in outstanding numbers," she said.

She went on to say again. Co-host Alyssa Farah Griffin thanked Abrams for "admitting" she outright did not win. "That’s such a rare thing," she said.

"I did it on the day I didn’t win," Abrams said. "I’m not the governor, said that. The other is the election wasn’t fair to voters.

Not sure why you hate women

And of course at the bottom of the story

George Soros throws $1M behind Stacey Abrams' second gubernatorial run

Fox feeding the hordes
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Look at the title of my post, tell me what's dishonest. She's saying racism is why she lost, yet black turnout was astronomical.

Show me some evidence that what happened in GA was based on race and unusual.

Did George Soros contribute or not?

Look at the title of my post, tell me what's dishonest. She's saying racism is why she lost, yet black turnout was astronomical.

Show me some evidence that what happened in GA was based on race and unusual.

Did George Soros contribute or not?

Whistle much?
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Look at the title of my post, tell me what's dishonest. She's saying racism is why she lost, yet black turnout was astronomical.

Show me some evidence that what happened in GA was based on race and unusual.

Did George Soros contribute or not?


Stacey Abrams still saying racism stole election

Again your lack of truthfulness is amazing…. no such statements were made anywhere in the article
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she is so much fun....

Federal Judge Upholds Georgia Voting Practices in Blow to Stacey Abrams–Backed Lawsuit

"The 288-page order comes in response to a lawsuit first filed in November 2018 after Republican Brian Kemp defeated Abrams in Georgia’s gubernatorial election.

Kemp defeated Abrams by more than 54,000 votes to become governor. Abrams has never conceded to Kemp and has claimed the 2018 election was “stolen from Georgians.”

Josh Belinfante, a lawyer for state election officials, defended the rules and argued that the state’s automatic voter-registration policy and recent increase in voter registration among black residents are evidence that the state is not suppressing voters.

Fair Fight collected testimony from more than 3,000 voters, and very few were unable to cast a ballot. None of the voters said they could not cast a ballot in 2020. Belinfante argued the testimonials showed that many issues were resolved quickly.

Kemp celebrated the ruling on Friday, saying in a statement: “Judge Jones’ ruling exposes this legal effort for what it really is: a tool wielded by a politician hoping to wrongfully weaponize the legal system to further her own political goals.”

Abrams responded to the ruling in a statement of her own: “While the Court’s actions are not the preferred outcome, the conduct of this trial and preceding cases and legislative actions represent a hard-won victory for voters who endured long lines, burdensome date of birth requirements and exact match laws that disproportionately impact Black and Brown voters.”


"BURDENSOME DATE OF BIRTH REQUIREMENTS"...that's a good one:hihi:

she is so much fun....

Federal Judge Upholds Georgia Voting Practices in Blow to Stacey Abrams–Backed Lawsuit

"The 288-page order comes in response to a lawsuit first filed in November 2018 after Republican Brian Kemp defeated Abrams in Georgia’s gubernatorial election.

Kemp defeated Abrams by more than 54,000 votes to become governor. Abrams has never conceded to Kemp and has claimed the 2018 election was “stolen from Georgians.”

Josh Belinfante, a lawyer for state election officials, defended the rules and argued that the state’s automatic voter-registration policy and recent increase in voter registration among black residents are evidence that the state is not suppressing voters.

Fair Fight collected testimony from more than 3,000 voters, and very few were unable to cast a ballot. None of the voters said they could not cast a ballot in 2020. Belinfante argued the testimonials showed that many issues were resolved quickly.

Kemp celebrated the ruling on Friday, saying in a statement: “Judge Jones’ ruling exposes this legal effort for what it really is: a tool wielded by a politician hoping to wrongfully weaponize the legal system to further her own political goals.”

Abrams responded to the ruling in a statement of her own: “While the Court’s actions are not the preferred outcome, the conduct of this trial and preceding cases and legislative actions represent a hard-won victory for voters who endured long lines, burdensome date of birth requirements and exact match laws that disproportionately impact Black and Brown voters.”


"BURDENSOME DATE OF BIRTH REQUIREMENTS"...that's a good one:hihi:

but when a republican makes fake accusations against election integrity? they’re the anti-Christ.

when democrats do it? not worth mentioning. in fact it’s a character flaw to even bring it up.

That’s a very convenient, simple, unchallenging universe the snowflakes have created for themselves.

she is so much fun....

Federal Judge Upholds Georgia Voting Practices in Blow to Stacey Abrams–Backed Lawsuit

"The 288-page order comes in response to a lawsuit first filed in November 2018 after Republican Brian Kemp defeated Abrams in Georgia’s gubernatorial election.

Kemp defeated Abrams by more than 54,000 votes to become governor. Abrams has never conceded to Kemp and has claimed the 2018 election was “stolen from Georgians.”

Josh Belinfante, a lawyer for state election officials, defended the rules and argued that the state’s automatic voter-registration policy and recent increase in voter registration among black residents are evidence that the state is not suppressing voters.

Fair Fight collected testimony from more than 3,000 voters, and very few were unable to cast a ballot. None of the voters said they could not cast a ballot in 2020. Belinfante argued the testimonials showed that many issues were resolved quickly.

Kemp celebrated the ruling on Friday, saying in a statement: “Judge Jones’ ruling exposes this legal effort for what it really is: a tool wielded by a politician hoping to wrongfully weaponize the legal system to further her own political goals.”

Abrams responded to the ruling in a statement of her own: “While the Court’s actions are not the preferred outcome, the conduct of this trial and preceding cases and legislative actions represent a hard-won victory for voters who endured long lines, burdensome date of birth requirements and exact match laws that disproportionately impact Black and Brown voters.”


"BURDENSOME DATE OF BIRTH REQUIREMENTS"...that's a good one:hihi:

You think everyone in the rural south has a birth certificate?
You think it’s in the interest of the political forces in power to ensure they can get a photo id?
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You think everyone in the rural south has a birth certificate?
You think it’s in the interest of the political forces in power to ensure they can get a photo id?
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that is hilarious....

that is hilarious....

Idiots laugh at lots of things
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Idiots laugh at lots of things
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your stupidity is funny :rotf2:...sorry if that upsets you and causes you to want to insult people

you and paul should complain that people here are being mean and insulting and using vulgar language...that would be funny too

your stupidity is funny :rotf2:...sorry if that upsets you and causes you to want to insult people

you and paul should complain that people here are being mean and insulting and using vulgar language...that would be funny too

Silly troll, as I said…….
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but when a republican makes fake accusations against election integrity? they’re the anti-Christ.

when democrats do it? not worth mentioning. in fact it’s a character flaw to even bring it up.

That’s a very convenient, simple, unchallenging universe the snowflakes have created for themselves.


You can never tell the truth can you


Stacey Abrams on Monday cautioned against conflating her refusal to concede in the 2018 Georgia governor’s race with former President Donald Trump’s false claims of a stolen election, calling the latter wrong and dangerous for democracy.

“I will never ever say that it is OK to claim fraudulent outcomes as a way to give yourself power,” Abrams said. “That is wrong. I reject it and will never engage in it. But I do believe that it is imperative, especially those who have the platform and the microphone, to talk about the access.”
Abrams acknowledged her loss to Kemp days after the 2018 election. But she attributed that defeat — by less than 1.4 percentage points — to efforts by Kemp, then the secretary of state, to suppress voter turnout. Kemp denied the allegations.



Keep thinking they are the same Jim it’s the only way you can keep supporting Trump. Ya know the man you’ll vote for again if he get the nod. Who still say the election was stolen by massive fraud nation wide that only he and his supporters magically see !

You can never tell the truth can you


Stacey Abrams on Monday cautioned against conflating her refusal to concede in the 2018 Georgia governor’s race with former President Donald Trump’s false claims of a stolen election, calling the latter wrong and dangerous for democracy.

“I will never ever say that it is OK to claim fraudulent outcomes as a way to give yourself power,” Abrams said. “That is wrong. I reject it and will never engage in it. But I do believe that it is imperative, especially those who have the platform and the microphone, to talk about the access.”
Abrams acknowledged her loss to Kemp days after the 2018 election. But she attributed that defeat — by less than 1.4 percentage points — to efforts by Kemp, then the secretary of state, to suppress voter turnout. Kemp denied the allegations.



Keep thinking they are the same Jim it’s the only way you can keep supporting Trump. Ya know the man you’ll vote for again if he get the nod. Who still say the election was stolen by massive fraud nation wide that only he and his supporters magically see !

so when Abrams says she didn’t do something immoral. that’s good enough for you.

Black turnout wasn’t suppressed in her previous loss. It’s been looked into. It never happened. GA laws are no more restrictive than laws in blue states wayne. You and abrams may not like that, or the two of you may not grasp that, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.

I love it. Abrams’ statement that she is innocent, is proof to you that she’s innocent.

Trump is wrong to say his election was stolen with fraud, but you’re fine with Abrams making disproven accusations that her election was stolen due to racism.

so when Abrams says she didn’t do something immoral. that’s good enough for you.

Black turnout wasn’t suppressed in her previous loss. It’s been looked into. It never happened. GA laws are no more restrictive than laws in blue states wayne. You and abrams may not like that, or the two of you may not grasp that, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.

I love it. Abrams’ statement that she is innocent, is proof to you that she’s innocent.

Trump is wrong to say his election was stolen with fraud, but you’re fine with Abrams making disproven accusations that her election was stolen due to racism.




What you claim Abrams did is the same as what Trump did. “. It was wrong to say the election was stolen”. You actually believe that’s all he did ? If so You really are an intellectual dishonest person

Yet the Oath Keepers go on trial for sedition….

Let me guess you and other on this site actually still think what happened on Jan 6th was spontaneous …. And in no way shape or form connected to the Trump administration and those in his orbit .

Ya know because it’s normal for travelers and protesters to show up in DC with all types of weapons body armor helmets pepper spray bear spray zip ties . And ORF teams on standby ..

On the day the election was getting certified ?

What you claim Abrams did is the same as what Trump did. “. It was wrong to say the election was stolen”. You actually believe that’s all he did ? If so You really are an intellectual dishonest person

Yet the Oath Keepers go on trial for sedition….

Let me guess you and other on this site actually still think what happened on Jan 6th was spontaneous …. And in no way shape or form connected to the Trump administration and those in his orbit .

Ya know because it’s normal for travelers and protesters to show up in DC with all types of weapons body armor helmets pepper spray bear spray zip ties . And ORF teams on standby ..

On the day the election was getting certified ?

i didn’t say she did the same exact thing as trump. no 2 events are identical. i said she made fake claims about her loss being unfair. What she did is similar to what trump did, in that she’s undermining confidence in our elections with fake claims about her loss being unfair. That’s what she did, and it’s what trump did. they went about it differently, but that’s what they both did. Naturally she played the race card. Naturally you believe it.

you find minor details that make these events not identical, and therefore you say there are no parallels.

Abrams and trump both claimed their losses weren’t the result of free and fair elections. You cannot do anything, say anything, or post anything, to make that wrong.

Do you ever stop talking about this stuff, and try to make a rational argument about why her policy ideas are better for GA? What has she done, other than be black and a woman?

Abrams platform “I have a vision for One Georgia where everyone thrives. She has a plan to get back to the basics for Georgia families: education, healthcare, housing and making a good living. She’ll put money into our childcare and schools, expand Medicaid, invest in affordable housing and small businesses —all with no new taxes.

Kemp is a far-right extremist who is too dangerous for Georgia. His extreme, unpopular, and radical agenda threatens our state’s future – from blocking funds to the middle class and working families to his weak gun laws, from his refusal to expand Medicaid to bans on abortion. Kemp favors the wealthy few and the ultra-conservatives at the expense of hardworking families.
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Abrams platform “I have a vision for One Georgia where everyone thrives. She has a plan to get back to the basics for Georgia families: education, healthcare, housing and making a good living. She’ll put money into our childcare and schools, expand Medicaid, invest in affordable housing and small businesses —all with no new taxes.

Kemp is a far-right extremist who is too dangerous for Georgia. His extreme, unpopular, and radical agenda threatens our state’s future – from blocking funds to the middle class and working families to his weak gun laws, from his refusal to expand Medicaid to bans on abortion. Kemp favors the wealthy few and the ultra-conservatives at the expense of hardworking families.
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I didn’t ask what she promised. I asked what she’s done.

His agenda is unpopular, eh? He beat Abrams, i believe his state is growing in population, and his poling isn’t anywhere near hopeless right now. So what’s unpopular to you, perhaps isn’t all that representative of those who are to the right of, say, Hugo Chavez.

Republican operatives and elites criticised former president Donald Trump for saying that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has a “DEATH WISH”, but many Republican elected officials have stayed silent.

Then Trump attacked his wife who served in his cabinet

Must immediately seek help and advise from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!”


Trump praised Ginni Thomas at a Saturday rally for continuing to believe his "big lie" about the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Following her testimony, Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) told reporters Ginni Thomas still believes the election was stolen.

but but Abrams !

Wake up already the actual danger to the Republican Party and to the democratic process in America are out in plan view

But Republicans are afraid to tell their supporters the Truth ! Seeing they already have issues with accepting the Truth

Republican operatives and elites criticised former president Donald Trump for saying that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has a “DEATH WISH”, but many Republican elected officials have stayed silent.

Then Trump attacked his wife who served in his cabinet

Must immediately seek help and advise from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!”


Trump praised Ginni Thomas at a Saturday rally for continuing to believe his "big lie" about the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Following her testimony, Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) told reporters Ginni Thomas still believes the election was stolen.

but but Abrams !

Wake up already the actual danger to the Republican Party and to the democratic process in America are out in plan view

But Republicans are afraid to tell their supporters the Truth ! Seeing they already have issues with accepting the Truth

You criticized trump for falsely suggesting his loss was the result of an unfair election. All i did, was ask why you don’t care that Abrams did the same thing. And instead of explaining why it’s ok when demi rays do it, you get angry and go on a trump tirade. which is changing the subject.

Why is it ok for abrams to claim her election loss was unfair, but a character flaw for Trump to do so? both losers claims have been debunked. yet both are still
telling the lie.

I can criticize both of them, i’m not enslaved to my party. You can’t, because you are enslaved to your party.

Poor victim
"Abortion is murder unless Republicans do it then it's cool" does indeed seem to distract from one of their core, uhhhh, principles.
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she's consistent...:bl:

Abrams Declares Victory After Losing Voter Suppression Lawsuit


After nearly four years and millions of wasted taxpayer funds, U.S. District Judge Steve C. Jones ruled on Friday that Georgia’s election practices had violated neither the Constitution nor the Voting Rights Act (VRA) during the 2018 gubernatorial election.

BRIAN KEMP CAUGHT ON AUDIO: “All of these Democrats…getting minority voters out to vote…that’s how they’ll win.”
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Sounds like a valid campaign strategy to me. :huh:
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You criticized trump for falsely suggesting his loss was the result of an unfair election. All i did, was ask why you don’t care that Abrams did the same thing. And instead of explaining why it’s ok when dems do it, you get angry and go on a trump tirade. which is changing the subject.

.

this is fabulous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoMfIkz7v6s

can't make this stuff up....


Georgia Breaks Record for First-Day Midterm Turnout after Abrams Alleges Voter Suppression

"Abrams said at a debate Monday that Governor Kemp ‘has assiduously denied access to the right to vote.’"

Right winger Paul Weyrich: “I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. [O]ur leverage in the elections …goes up as the voting populace goes down."
That was 1980. He was being 100% honest about his approach. The far right wants to impose their toxic worldview on the rest of us, the majority. And they’ve been systematically doing the Weyrich plan ever since:

-gerrymandering legislatures to keep the majority locked out.
- changing rules and laws to make voting more difficult in every way, BY targeting voters who they know will oppose their agenda (voters of color, young voters especially)

- purging voters by the millions to remove them from the political space entirely
- intimidating voters by the DeSantis-style arrests we are now seeing; so some voters choose not to vote out of fear

- as much as possible, making elections about any topics that are NOT their core issues that they know are toxic (think caravans & migrant flights to… …take abortion bans out of the news cycle). The last thing they want is straight-up referenda on their issues as happened in Kansas. Because they know the majority oppose them. That’s why we see so much toxic disinformation come election time (Ie. Police budgets are up all over)

It’s not hard make clear how Republican corrupt and undemocratic governance is generating disastrous outcomes for everyday Americans (4 days of school a week, broken energy grids, crumbling towns, student debt, failing schools, poor health care, extremism, etc)

The truth is, THEY largely have
indefensible records due to unaccountable government.
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Right winger Paul Weyrich: “I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. [O]ur leverage in the elections …goes up as the voting populace goes down."
That was 1980. He was being 100% honest about his approach. The far right wants to impose their toxic worldview on the rest of us, the majority. And they’ve been systematically doing the Weyrich plan ever since:

-gerrymandering legislatures to keep the majority locked out.
- changing rules and laws to make voting more difficult in every way, BY targeting voters who they know will oppose their agenda (voters of color, young voters especially)

- purging voters by the millions to remove them from the political space entirely
- intimidating voters by the DeSantis-style arrests we are now seeing; so some voters choose not to vote out of fear

- as much as possible, making elections about any topics that are NOT their core issues that they know are toxic (think caravans & migrant flights to… …take abortion bans out of the news cycle). The last thing they want is straight-up referenda on their issues as happened in Kansas. Because they know the majority oppose them. That’s why we see so much toxic disinformation come election time (Ie. Police budgets are up all over)

It’s not hard make clear how Republican corrupt and undemocratic governance is generating disastrous outcomes for everyday Americans (4 days of school a week, broken energy grids, crumbling towns, student debt, failing schools, poor health care, extremism, etc)

The truth is, THEY largely have
indefensible records due to unaccountable government.
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No one knows who that is.

Meanwhile, despite the "Jim Crow 2.0" laws in GA, early voting is setting records.

"The far right wants to impose their toxic worldview on the rest of us"

As opposed to the far left, which just wants to let everyone choose to live the way they'd like to live! Forcing Christian bakers to violate their religion and participate in gay weddings. But you have no quarrel with it when liberals get in power and force their will on others.

"gerrymandering legislatures to keep the majority locked out."

exactly what the democrats did in CT when we lost a house seat, and what NY democrats got caught doing this year when their new district map was tossed out by the court. But you have np quarrel with it when democrats do it.

Everything is OK when democrats do it!

Don’t know the cofounder of the Heritage foundation, leader of the Moral Majority, Heritage is funded by Kochs and other billionaires, GOP is doing their dirty work with no shame. GOP is literally the legislative branch of Kochs, Mercers, etc.

Must be quite a vengeful and spiteful god, if it will send you to hell for decorating a cake.
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No one knows who that is.



I bet he's a pretty popular subject on whackoleftist.com

Must be quite a vengeful and spiteful god, if it will send you to hell for decorating a cake.

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must be a spiteful person who wants to force you to make a cake and a vengeful person who sues you if you won't

Must be quite a vengeful and spiteful god, if it will send you to hell for decorating a cake.
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i don’t happen to agree with them either, but our opinions of their beliefs do not matter. what matters, is that the constitution says no law shall interfere with the free exercise of religion.

how is this not an example of liberals attempting to impose their will on others pete? where’s that tolerance that liberals are so quick to demand for themselves, but so hesitant to show others who have different beliefs?

“tolerance” is a two way street, not a one way street.

The obama labor department said very clearly that muslims could not be forced to give up their religious beliefs while at work ( case where muslim truck drivers refused to transport alcohol). why don’t christians have that same right?

have fun answering that…

pete it’s very easy to say you support the constitution when you are supporting the rights of people who agree with you. the real test of your convictions is whether or not you are principled enough to say that those whose opinions you hate, also have those same rights. Liberals struggle mightily with that.

i don’t happen to agree with them either, but our opinions of their beliefs do not matter. what matters, is that the constitution says no law shall interfere with the free exercise of religion.

how is this not an example of liberals attempting to impose their will on others pete? where’s that tolerance that liberals are so quick to demand for themselves, but so hesitant to show others who have different beliefs?

“tolerance” is a two way street, not a one way street.

The obama labor department said very clearly that muslims could not be forced to give up their religious beliefs while at work ( case where muslim truck drivers refused to transport alcohol). why don’t christians have that same right?

have fun answering that…

pete it’s very easy to say you support the constitution when you are supporting the rights of people who agree with you. the real test of your convictions is whether or not you are principled enough to say that those whose opinions you hate, also have those same rights. Liberals struggle mightily with that.

Not sure why Christians and Republicans don’t understand

A Business is not religious unless you’re a televised Christian than it’s big bucks

the constitution says no law shall interfere with the free exercise of religion.

Only in the twisted logic of the religious right is discrimination the free exercise of religion. And God superseded laws .
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Once again Jim you once again trying to compare things that are not remotely the same shocking.


The obama labor department said very clearly that muslims could not be forced to give up their religious beliefs while at work

Christians we’re upset because the we’re Muslim just like Obama

True and the law defended them and they won Jim. Guess why they were employees not the employer

the tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g company admitted that drivers often switched their assignments, meaning it would have been reasonable to accommodate the men's request, rather than firing them.

Because under the law it states

Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, employers must make accommodations for workers' religious beliefs unless doing so would impose "undue hardship" on the business.

Man you love running loose with the Truth
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i don’t happen to agree with them either, but our opinions of their beliefs do not matter. what matters, is that the constitution says no law shall interfere with the free exercise of religion.

how is this not an example of liberals attempting to impose their will on others pete? where’s that tolerance that liberals are so quick to demand for themselves, but so hesitant to show others who have different beliefs?

“tolerance” is a two way street, not a one way street.

The obama labor department said very clearly that muslims could not be forced to give up their religious beliefs while at work ( case where muslim truck drivers refused to transport alcohol). why don’t christians have that same right?

have fun answering that…

pete it’s very easy to say you support the constitution when you are supporting the rights of people who agree with you. the real test of your convictions is whether or not you are principled enough to say that those whose opinions you hate, also have those same rights. Liberals struggle mightily with that.

Republicans voted AGAINST school lunches, Women, voting rights, infrastructure, veterans, Democracy, and insulin being capped at $35.

Because what really matters is tax cuts for the rich, fetuses not children and guns.

Republicans claim to be the law and order party.
Red states have higher crime, lower education, higher child poverty and poorer healthcare, fact.
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what matters, is that the constitution says no law shall interfere with the free exercise of religion.



what is your stance on the Jewish women who are suing Kentucky over the abortion law as they claim it violates their religious freedom?

what is your stance on the Jewish women who are suing Kentucky over the abortion law as they claim it violates their religious freedom?

Those stories aren’t on Fox nor is

Trump signed court documents he knew were false
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what is your stance on the Jewish women who are suing Kentucky over the abortion law as they claim it violates their religious freedom?

Same as my stance on laws that prohibit human sacrifice for religious reasons.

A more pertinent example would be Muslim truck drivers who worked for a tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g company in Michigan (I think Michigan?). They refused to carry alcohol for religious reasons and were fired. The Obama labor department sued on their behalf and won, saying that you can't ask people to abandon their religious beliefs at work.

the tr#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g company admitted that drivers often switched their assignments, meaning it would have been reasonable to accommodate the men's request, rather than firing them.

Because under the law it states

Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, employers must make accommodations for workers' religious beliefs unless doing so would impose "undue hardship" on the business.


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ANd gay couples have other bakers, photographers, they can choose from.

So explain why that's a hardship. I'll wait.

ANd gay couples have other bakers, photographers, they can choose from.

So explain why that's a hardship. I'll wait.

keep playing Dump:btu:

keep playing Dump:btu:

SO I asked an obvious question, you knew I had a valid point, but you can't admit that ever, so you ignore my question and lob a vague insult and scurry off.

Whew.

SO I asked an obvious question, you knew I had a valid point, but you can't admit that ever, so you ignore my question and lob a vague insult and scurry off.

Whew.


it's not an insult... Playing Dumb is not the same as calling you dumb
:btu:

it's your inability to work out answers. that need no assistance ..

not sure how customer and business owner or Business and employee, cause you so much confusion? When the Law provided clear distinctions

yet

The US Department of Justice Department is suing the owners of a Rapid City, South Dakota hotel for saying on social media and elsewhere that it would not serve Native Americans.

The DOJ says the owners’ policies and practices violate the civil rights act.

In March, an owner of the Grand Gateway Hotel and Cheers Sports Lounge posted on Facebook that Natives were no longer allowed at the hotel and bar following an overnight shooting in their building. Days after, Native Americans tried booking rooms at the hotel twice and were allegedly denied service.

it's not hard to see which party supports these ideas and Why

Freedoms for me not for thee ...

lets see if religious excuses surface to defend these actions

https://listen.sdpb.org/crime-courts/2022-10-19/justice-department-announces-lawsuit-against-grand-gateway-hotel-owners

Natives were no longer allowed at the hotel and bar following an overnight shooting in their building

what I find comical is

Open Carry is legal. South Dakota is a permitless carry state. Anyone 18 or older who can legally possess a firearm can carry openly or concealed in South Dakota without a permit/license.

and a shooting outrages them?

The Federalist: “the wholesale destruction of our traditions and the looming implosion of Western civilization” requires a shift to fascism: “The government will have to become, in the hands of conservatives, an instrument of renewal in American life … a blunt instrument indeed”
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keep playing Dump:btu:



this one is going in the Greatest Hits Collection

it's not an insult... Playing Dumb is not the same as calling you dumb
:btu:

it's your inability to work out answers. that need no assistance ..

not sure how customer and business owner or Business and employee, cause you so much confusion? When the Law provided clear distinctions

yet

The US Department of Justice Department is suing the owners of a Rapid City, South Dakota hotel for saying on social media and elsewhere that it would not serve Native Americans.

The DOJ says the owners’ policies and practices violate the civil rights act.

In March, an owner of the Grand Gateway Hotel and Cheers Sports Lounge posted on Facebook that Natives were no longer allowed at the hotel and bar following an overnight shooting in their building. Days after, Native Americans tried booking rooms at the hotel twice and were allegedly denied service.

it's not hard to see which party supports these ideas and Why

Freedoms for me not for thee ...

lets see if religious excuses surface to defend these actions

https://listen.sdpb.org/crime-courts/2022-10-19/justice-department-announces-lawsuit-against-grand-gateway-hotel-owners

ah, the christian baker isn’t saying he won’t serve the gay couple. the couple are free to come in and patronize the store. But the baker doesn’t want to actively participate in the wedding. Big difference.

there’s no sign in the bakery door telling gays to get out. You’re very wrong in what’s happening. Your example of excluding native americans isn’t even close to accurate. The muslim truck driver case is in point. Americans cannot be forced to disregard their religious beliefs in order to keep their jobs.

Wayne, nowhere in the bill of rights does it say those rights only protect liberals. they apply equally to all of us. The left is happy to offer those rights to themselves, and just as willing to deny them to those who have differing opinions.

Just use a different baker. Why is that hard? This isn’t about tolerance. it’s about totalitarianism.

ah, the christian baker isn’t saying he won’t serve the gay couple. the couple are free to come in and patronize the store. But the baker doesn’t want to actively participate in the wedding. Big difference.

there’s no sign in the bakery door telling gays to get out. You’re very wrong in what’s happening. Your example of excluding native americans isn’t even close to accurate. The muslim truck driver case is in point. Americans cannot be forced to disregard their religious beliefs in order to keep their jobs.

Wayne, nowhere in the bill of rights does it say those rights only protect liberals. they apply equally to all of us. The left is happy to offer those rights to themselves, and just as willing to deny them to those who have differing opinions.

Just use a different baker. Why is that hard? This isn’t about tolerance. it’s about totalitarianism.

Only you and the Christian Right think baking a cake is as you say is some how being a participant.. as if they got an invitation

With that logic the rental place could choose to not rent them chairs tables or a tent . A hotel could refuse to provide a room .

Or I could refuse a charter to any religion . By just claiming my religious believes don’t allow it

I get it you support discrimination

What newest chat has phrase

. Have fun answering that .


It’s funny you claim it’s about totalitarianism. But would vote for Trump .

I suggest you look up the meaning of totalitarianism and it’s place in history.
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Only you and the Christian Right think baking a cake is as you say is some how being a participant.. as if they got an invitation

With that logic the rental place could choose to not rent them chairs tables or a tent . A hotel could refuse to provide a room .

Or I could refuse a charter to any religion . By just claiming my religious believes don’t allow it

I get it you support discrimination

What newest chat has phrase

. Have fun answering that .


It’s funny you claim it’s about totalitarianism. But would vote for Trump .

I suggest you look up the meaning of totalitarianism and it’s place in history.
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"Only you and the Christian Right think baking a cake is as you say is some how being a participant.. as if they got an invitation "

You're not smart enough to grasp it. I didn't say the baker (or photographer, or florist or whatever) is a guest. That's the point, they aren't there as a guest, they are a part of the wedding, not just a guest to it.

I was strongly in favor of gay marriage, when Obama and Hilary were adamantly opposed to it. Which, because you never ever disagree with the leaders of the left, means I was in favor of gay marriage long begore you were.

I'm also in favor of the idea that the Bill Of Rights isn't limited to those that you or I happen to agree with. You disagree, you'd limit those rights in cases where you don't agree with the person trying to exercise those rights. But that's not how it works, that's exactly why every courthouse has a statue of Lady Justice wearing a blindfold. That's what the blindfold represents.

Just use another damned baker. One who wants to participate.

With that logic the rental place could choose to not rent them chairs tables or a tent . A hotel could refuse to provide a room .

Or I could refuse a charter to any religion . By just claiming my religious believes don’t allow it


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Same logic as telling Muslim truck drivers that they cannot be forced to transport alchohol.

"Or I could refuse a charter to any religion "

Only if the gay couple wanted you to marry them on the boat.

As with many issues, you're missing the point. The christian baker isn't saying a gay person can't walk in and buy some cannolis and take them out with him. He's not refusing all service because the person is gay. He's saying (because he has the right to say it), that he doesn't want to play a role in the wedding, because it violates his religion.

WDMSO, where was the liberal outrage just a few years ago, when Obama and Hilary were adamantly opposed to gay marriage? The baker isn't saying they can't get married, he's just saying "leave me out of it". Obama and Hilary were saying very recently that they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize when that was his opinion.

Same logic as telling Muslim truck drivers that they cannot be forced to transport alchohol.

"Or I could refuse a charter to any religion "

Only if the gay couple wanted you to marry them on the boat.

As with many issues, you're missing the point. The christian baker isn't saying a gay person can't walk in and buy some cannolis and take them out with him. He's not refusing all service because the person is gay. He's saying (because he has the right to say it), that he doesn't want to play a role in the wedding, because it violates his religion.

WDMSO, where was the liberal outrage just a few years ago, when Obama and Hilary were adamantly opposed to gay marriage? The baker isn't saying they can't get married, he's just saying "leave me out of it". Obama and Hilary were saying very recently that they shouldn't be allowed to get married, and Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize when that was his opinion.

Same logic as telling Muslim truck drivers that they cannot be forced to transport alchohol.

Classic Jim just keep beating your dead horse

Try reading the laws. I posted it might actually help your understanding of why those Truck drivers won their case

and why they don’t remotely have anything to do with your baker

Whom you always defend
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Same logic as telling Muslim truck drivers that they cannot be forced to transport alchohol.

Classic Jim just keep beating your dead horse

Try reading the laws. I posted it might actually help your understanding of why those Truck drivers won their case

and why they don’t remotely have anything to do with your baker

Whom you always defend
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i’m defending the constitution. read the amendment,?tell me how you can comply with that and force a christian baker to participate in a gay wedding. it says no law shall prevent the free exercise of religion. go ahead and explain how forcing christians to participate in gay weddings, doesn’t violate that right?

you also posted immigration laws about asylum
seekers, but left out that asylum seekers must cross at ports or entry or they are committing a crime. isn’t it convenient you just happened to leave that out.

i’m defending the constitution. read the amendment,?tell me how you can comply with that and force a christian baker to participate in a gay wedding. it says no law shall prevent the free exercise of religion. go ahead and explain how forcing christians to participate in gay weddings, doesn’t violate that right?

you also posted immigration laws about asylum
seekers, but left out that asylum seekers must cross at ports or entry or they are committing a crime. isn’t it convenient you just happened to leave that out.

Wrong again

Seeking asylum is legal—even during a pandemic. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum.

"There’s no way to ask for a visa or any type of authorization in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum,” says IRC director of asylum and immigration legal services Olga Byrne. “You just have to show up."
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Wrong again

Seeking asylum is legal—even during a pandemic. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum.

"There’s no way to ask for a visa or any type of authorization in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum,” says IRC director of asylum and immigration legal services Olga Byrne. “You just have to show up."
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i listed the actual law. read it.

forcing christians to participate in gay

How is someone buying a cake twisted into forcing.

The baker to participate in someone’s
wedding ?

So if I sell you flowers am I participating in your wedding?

How about a rental place who rented chairs tables and a tent . Are they also participating in the wedding

I asked before but got the usual fluff

So now republicans and conservatives twist and create a new meaning of participation

To fit their narrative of religion is under attack
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forcing christians to participate in gay

How is someone buying a cake twisted into forcing.

The baker to participate in someone’s
wedding ?

So if I sell you flowers am I participating in your wedding?

How about a rental place who rented chairs tables and a tent . Are they also participating in the wedding

I asked before but got the usual fluff

So now republicans and conservatives twist and create a new meaning of participation

To fit their narrative of religion is under attack
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if you bake a cake for a wedding, you might think you’re participating in the wedding. the cake is a part of the wedding. the baker is contributing to the wedding.

how about the photographer? is he a component of the wedding?

if i said 2 + 2 =4, you’d say no it doesn’t.

when democrats say catholics can’t be supreme
court justices, that’s attacking religion.

if you bake a cake for a wedding, you might think you’re participating in the wedding. the cake is a part of the wedding. the baker is contributing to the wedding.

how about the photographer? is he a component of the wedding?

if i said 2 + 2 =4, you’d say no it doesn’t.

when democrats say catholics can’t be supreme
court justices, that’s attacking religion.

So you still can’t tell us how baking a cake (service) is participating I am shocked

when democrats say catholics can’t be supreme
court justices, that’s attacking religion

You live in a fantasy Jim

five, maybe six, Catholic conservative justices and one Catholic liberal justice (Sonia Sotomayor), seven out of nine justices are of the same religion.

As is the POTUS

So much for your attack on religion


next you’ll be telling me someone robs a Bank in a Ford Mustang !

Ford motor company participated in the robbery
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So you still can’t tell us how baking a cake (service) is participating I am shocked

when democrats say catholics can’t be supreme
court justices, that’s attacking religion

You live in a fantasy Jim

five, maybe six, Catholic conservative justices and one Catholic liberal justice (Sonia Sotomayor), seven out of nine justices are of the same religion.

As is the POTUS

So much for your attack on religion


next you’ll be telling me someone robs a Bank in a Ford Mustang !

Ford motor company participated in the robbery
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i didn’t tell you how. you just won’t admit it because it does t advance your ideology.

someone who provides a key item for the wedding that’s enjoyed by all guests of the wedding and is paid by the people who’s for the wedding, is contributing to the wedding, as is the DJ, photographer, florist, etc.

does anyone who disagrees with you, ever have a valid opinion? Ever?

You’re saying the left didn’t object to Barrett’s catholicism?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/10/02/heres-a-list-of-democrats-who-have-attacked-amy-coney-barrett-for-her-faith/amp/

does anyone who disagrees with you, ever have a valid opinion? Ever?



that's a firm no...

So now republicans and conservatives twist and create a new meaning of participation

To fit their narrative

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leftists never twist and create new meanings for words to fit their narratives....well, almost never...actually...regularly

in the words of PaulS...."they do it 1000 times more but you are upset about this" :huh::laugha:

wayne, when engaged couples prepare. budget for the wedding ( which you were opposed to until obama and hilary told you to support), why do they include money for the baker, florist, DJ, limo driver, etc? BevUse those people are part of the wedding.

you are the one trying to redefine “participate”.

wayne, when engaged couples prepare. budget for the wedding ( which you were opposed to until obama and hilary told you to support), why do they include money for the baker, florist, DJ, limo driver, etc? BevUse those people are part of the wedding.

you are the one trying to redefine “participate”.

You must run on a merry go round.

Jim they are services not participating. In the sense normal people define participate in one’s wedding like bridesmaid and grooms men and guest whom are invited ..

A travel agent books my Trip he’s not participating in my vacation

you are the one trying to redefine “participate”

Ya ok
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You must run on a merry go round.


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why are you trying to redefine a merry-go-round?....it's a "ride"...you don't run on it...you sit and go around and around like your tortured logic...sheesh

Just use a different baker. Why is that hard? This isn’t about tolerance. it’s about totalitarianism.

That’s your comment Jim

My guess if the baker claimed he was booked or on vacation and unable to accommodate them.

I am sure they would have found another baker..

But the response I don’t make cakes for Fags or gays the meaning is the same

It Changes the land scape a bit..

Conservatives have been twisting religious freedoms to now cover discrimination denial of services it’s ever expanding

Or you can start your own It even has pictures

https://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Religion
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Just use a different baker.



that's what I'd do, you really don't want the people preparing your food to be upset with you....

https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty/using-religion-discriminate
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why are you trying to redefine a merry-go-round?....it's a "ride"...you don't run on it...you sit and go around and around like your tortured logic...sheesh

So they all go around on their own ?

When I was a kid the ones in my town were kid powered
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if the Christian baker went to a flower shop owned by two gay guys and asked them to make a big bouquet with a cross on it for their snake handling ceremony at the tent meeting and the gay florists said sorry we can't support that with our products for personal reasons...I'd tell the Christian baker to just go find another florist

if the Christian baker went to a flower shop owned by two gay guys and asked them to make a big bouquet with a cross on it for their snake handling ceremony at the tent meeting and the gay florists said sorry we can't support that with our products for personal reasons...I'd tell the Christian baker to just go find another florist

Not really the point is it
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Not really the point is it
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it's exactly the point....

it's exactly the point....

yes it’s exactly the point. gay activists say they just want to be left alone to live,,but these cases prove that’s not the case. they want to punish those who also just want to be left alone to live as they see fit.

how many voting records need to be broken in GA before they stop talking about voter suppression?