there is no earthly reason why southern border states should bear the burden of clowns in DC ( both parties!) choosing not to do their jobs. Every state should take a proportional share, it’s a federal issue. If liberal states want to declare themselves “sanctuaries” and therefore incentivize more illegals to come, they should get a disproportionate share. You want “em , you got ‘em.

In retaliation, the vineyard sent Alan Dershowitz and thanked him for not sending Floridians.
All the immigrants are currently employed in the service industry.
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Mass democrat lawmaker says bringing immigrants to the Vineyard is “evil and inhumane.”

Why?

Why is it so much better if all of them are crammed into southern border states? If liberals actually believed what they claim to believe in this issue ( and clearly they don’t), they’d be sending empty buses themselves to southern states, asking for immigrants to take back north.

Mayors of DC and ChicGo went berserk when they got a small taste of what border states experience every day. And in Lightfoots case, she apparently shipped them out to the suburbs. Some sanctuary supporter she is!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/massachusetts-dems-react-desantis-transports-migrants-ritzy-marthas-vineyard-evil-inhumane

you are so blind you can't even see this stunt for what it is ...

even immigrants want to move to Florida But your 2nd man crush wants to make political points...

FYI a flight paid for by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and that originated in San Antonio, Texas.

So Using florida taxpayer Money. or his own? to send them to what the MAGA world sees as the Liberal bread basket of Martha vineyard .. with its 17,000 year-round residents

yep all about looking like he's owing the libs for his own Hope hell get the 2024 nomination

Why is it so much better if all of them are crammed into southern border states? e[/url]

yep they are being Crammed into southern states ..



Texas is the second-largest state in the US with an area of 268,597 square miles or 171,902,080 acres. In comparison, Texas is about 1.65 times larger than California,Texas has 29 million residents and the 13th highest GDP in the world at 1.78 trillion as of 2019.


Mass democrat lawmaker says bringing immigrants to the Vineyard is “evil and inhumane.”

You can't figure that out on your own? :faga:

I love this statement seeing there have been zero changes on the border since biden took office both physical or policy

a spokesperson for DeSantis sent a statement to NPR and other news outlets confirming that the migrants were transported by Florida under a state program that was funded by the legislature earlier this year. The statement reads in part: "States like Massachusetts, New York and California will better facilitate the care of these individuals who they have invited into our country by incentivizing illegal immigration."


All republicans do is Lie 24x7

At some point the feds/congress will awards billions in funds to help assimilate these immigrants into our country. At that point there will be a war between the states to grab the money for their own uses... And I would expect DeSantis will want his money for this group he just unloaded on to MV... Politicians are an awful breed. All of them.

yep they are being Crammed into southern states ..



Texas is the second-largest state in the US with an area of 268,597 square miles or 171,902,080 acres. In comparison, Texas is about 1.65 times larger than California,Texas has 29 million residents and the 13th highest GDP in the world at 1.78 trillion as of 2019.


Mass democrat lawmaker says bringing immigrants to the Vineyard is “evil and inhumane.”

You can't figure that out on your own? :faga:

tell me why the citizens of texas should be more on the hook to bear this burden, than the citizens of martha’s vineyard. Pretty simple and pertinent question.

the illegals don’t live in undeveloped dust bowl parts of texas wayne. it’s very easy for you to criticize texas when you know you don’t have to deal with what they have to deal with. and when you get a tiny tiny taste of what they see every day, the left goes berserk.

again,,liberals should be demanding that morenilkegaos go to their states. But lord knows they don’t.

This was all fixed between the parties with Reagan era Amnesty, except one party did not keep their end of the deal.

Next best way to fix this would have been to close off the border and LEGALLY increase immigration numbers. Instead, politicians created a hidden class of people.

Yesterday, there were more people that crossed the border, each, in TX or AZ than were flown to MV.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11210203/Dozens-illegal-immigrants-dressed-camouflage-use-rope-scale-border-wall.html

At some point the feds/congress will awards billions in funds to help assimilate these immigrants into our country. At that point there will be a war between the states to grab the money for their own uses... And I would expect DeSantis will want his money for this group he just unloaded on to MV... Politicians are an awful breed. All of them.

two plane loads is nothing. there are uncountable numbers of
millions of them in the country. millions and millions. we already spend bazillions on this issue. It’s beyond stupid. no other country on the planet acts this way, for good reason.

No other country is as rich as we are with millions of poor bordering us.

We should increase legal immigration drastically. Now would be a good time to give extra consideration to those Russ./ukr scientist/bus. owners.

This is great news for the vineyard. Taco and burrito production will thrive. Restaurants who have labor issues will have plenty of workers.

Thanks Rhonda Santis
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At some point the feds/congress will awards billions in funds to help assimilate these immigrants into our country. At that point there will be a war between the states to grab the money for their own uses... And I would expect DeSantis will want his money for this group he just unloaded on to MV... Politicians are an awful breed. All of them.

If only we could get term limits, all these career politicians can retire, well past the time for that change.

No other country is as rich as we are with millions of poor bordering us.

We should increase legal immigration drastically. Now would be a good time to give extra consideration to those Russ./ukr scientist/bus. owners.

Agreed. That needs to be a discussion point.
Barry Ritholtz was on a pod cast talking about labor shortage issues related to COVID (deaths + earlier retirements + people improving their skills and moving up into better jobs + people who left jobs to start a small business). He was advocating for this increase to bolster the service/production/transport sectors...

No other country is as rich as we are with millions of poor bordering us.

We should increase legal immigration drastically. Now would be a good time to give extra consideration to those Russ./ukr scientist/bus. owners.

we are rich. doesn’t mean there aren’t limits. Why did chicago mayor Lightfoot take the illegals from Texas and ship them all to the suburbs? why wasn’t she happy to build houses for them and put them in her schools? Because talk is cheap. But caring for a meaningful number if unskilled immigrants who don’t speak the language, is extremely expensive.

The army told soldiers this week that they should
apply for food stamps because of inflation. That happened, I’m not making that up. How about we fix that before we spend billions on people who came here illegally, and before we spend a trillion forgiving student loans, including for wealthy families making $250k.

Seal up the border tight. Then increase legal immigration.

Agreed. That needs to be a discussion point.
Barry Ritholtz was on a pod cast talking about labor shortage issues related to COVID (deaths + earlier retirements + people improving their skills and moving up into better jobs + people who left jobs to start a small business). He was advocating for this increase to bolster the service/production/transport sectors...

I don't know who Ritholtz is but he sounds smart:)

I don't know who Ritholtz is but he sounds smart:)

'The Big Picture' a blog about macroeconomics type stuff...

I don't know who Ritholtz is but he sounds smart:)


Covid deaths are why there are unfilled jobs out there? I just looked up covid deaths by age, data i saw said that 70% of all covid deaths were for americans age 70 and older. how many were working at the kinds of jobs that are um- filled today?

Covid deaths are why there are unfilled jobs out there? I just looked up covid deaths by age, data i saw said that 70% of all covid deaths were for americans age 70 and older. how many were working at the kinds of jobs that are um- filled today?

1.05 million officially * 30% = 315,000 people.
Plus all the other factors listed, no one said it was the ONLY factor, it was A factor.

so the conservative states are just going to send immigrants to small communities w/o notifying anyone? Shows a total lack of compassion to use them as pawns.

Covid deaths are why there are unfilled jobs out there? I just looked up covid deaths by age, data i saw said that 70% of all covid deaths were for americans age 70 and older. how many were working at the kinds of jobs that are um- filled today?

Why do I care?

into our country

That’s coming from Ron’s press secretary

Let that soak in. Our country
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It’s just the Republican midterm play.
Create a border crisis
Caravans were getting stale, nothing ever happened with them.
So create some theater that gets nationwide news and try and make immigration a bigger issue than peoples rights.

I wonder who Jim and the rest of the miser class thinks is picking the produce or working the dairy. Not counting the tourism. Who do they think works that. Most of the immigrant people that are in my town work in dairy, vegetables or apples. Jobs people born in America won’t do.
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we are rich. doesn’t mean there aren’t limits. Why did chicago mayor Lightfoot take the illegals from Texas and ship them all to the suburbs? why wasn’t she happy to build houses for them and put them in her schools? Because talk is cheap. But caring for a meaningful number if unskilled immigrants who don’t speak the language, is extremely expensive.

The army told soldiers this week that they should
apply for food stamps because of inflation. That happened, I’m not making that up. How about we fix that before we spend billions on people who came here illegally, and before we spend a trillion forgiving student loans, including for wealthy families making $250k.

Seal up the border tight. Then increase legal immigration.

Young soldiers have been on food stamps for ever it’s nothing new look up e4 pay and try to Raise a family of 3 on it


How about we fix that before we spend billions on people who came here illegally,

Yep the illegals get welfare another republican lie


Still waiting on what’s changed on the border .

What happened to Trumps wall

And name a policy change made by Biden that opened the border

Just more of the same invasion and we have open boarders more gop lies


Trump slashes aid to Central America over migrants


Trump's plan to cut aid to Central America could push more migrants to come to US

Cutting aid to Central America could fuel desperate conditions that drive immigrants to the United States’ southern border.

Yep we are seeing 1st hand classic republicans making choices just to look good in the next election cycle.

Don’t think for a minute republicans want to fix immigration just like Roe they chase the car but when they catch it. They have no idea after that


What’s also funny they actually think their policy’s slow immigration when Trump was in office . Covid and Trump axed legal immigration.
He did nothing to curb it on the border he did what’s being done sending them back ..

The majority of immigrants being shipped around by Ron 4 wheels crossed at a legal crossing and applied for asylum .. and are being processed by the LAW . That congress refuses to fix
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The fact that Ron DeSantis sent a hired videographer on the planes to Martha's Vineyard means he wanted it for campaign footage. He understood how well the symbolism MV & cruelty to immigrants would play at the the next GOP Convention.
It will really excite the miser class
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The fact that Ron DeSantis sent a hired videographer on the planes to Martha's Vineyard means he wanted it for campaign footage. He understood how well the symbolism MV & cruelty to immigrants would play at the the next GOP Convention.
It will really excite the miser class
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Exactly. Didn't know about the videographer. They could have announced it a few hours bf they arrived but instead wanted to cause the most misery to people.

there is no earthly reason why southern border states should bear the burden of clowns in DC ( both parties!) choosing not to do their jobs. Every state should take a proportional share, it’s a federal issue. If liberal states want to declare themselves “sanctuaries” and therefore incentivize more illegals to come, they should get a disproportionate share. You want “em , you got ‘em.

The Martha’s Vineyard incident is a poignant reminder that the central conceit and defining principle of Republican politics is that everyone is secretly as cruel as they are, and surely nobody would genuinely want to help the people Republicans pack into planes and ship off to faraway liberal locales.
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so the conservative states are just going to send immigrants to small communities w/o notifying anyone? Shows a total lack of compassion to use them as pawns.

paul, are border states bearing a heavy burden due to the federal governments i willingness to seal the border?

so you don’t care when the illegals show up, “without notifying anyone”, in small border towns. That’s ok. But when they start sent to small liberal towns ( who claim to want them), then all of a sudden there’s a crisis.

as john said, the numbers sent are less than what individual border state sees in a single day, 365 days a year.

If liberals lived in the southern border, in the next nanosecond they’d stop saying walls are racist.

Why do I care?

Well, you said it was "smart" when someone else posted that covoid deaths are a reason why there are a huge number of unfilled jobs. I don't see data to support that, and the demographics of covid deaths suggest that covid deaths aren't likely a big reason why. Getting people addicted to generous unemployment benefits may have been a larger contributor. But I doubt you care bout that either, because it doesn't serve liberalism.

Still waiting on what’s changed on the border .


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How about way more people crossing, way more fentanyl overdoses killing Americans?

You aren't aware of anything different at the border today, compared to 2 years ago, seriously?

Well, you said it was "smart" when someone else posted that covoid deaths are a reason why there are a huge number of unfilled jobs. I don't see data to support that, and the demographics of covid deaths suggest that covid deaths aren't likely a big reason why. Getting people addicted to generous unemployment benefits may have been a larger contributor. But I doubt you care bout that either, because it doesn't serve liberalism.

I always said you have horrible reading comprehension.

1.05 million officially * 30% = 315,000 people.
Plus all the other factors listed, no one said it was the ONLY factor, it was A factor.

obviously a cause. Who knows to what degree.

Bryan, do you think it’s fair that southern border states have to bear the burden caused by people in DC choosing not to secure the border? isnt border security a national issue? why is it unfair for TX and AZ to expect that all 50 states take a proportionate share of illegals? i really don’t see what that’s not fair and logical.

i respect what you say and is he curious to see your take on that one aspect of this. Do border states have all the responsibility due to their bad luck of being in the border? Or do all 50 states share the responsibility?

I always said you have horrible reading comprehension.

ok.

any chance you can answer this - do southern border states deserve to shoulder this burden, or do all 50 states have a responsibility to deal with it? Why is it unfair for southern states to expect that each state take a proportionate share of these immigrants? Why do southern states deserve this burden?

Well, you said it was "smart" when someone else posted that covoid deaths are a reason why there are a huge number of unfilled jobs. That is not what I meant.
I don't see data to support that, and the demographics of covid deaths suggest that covid deaths aren't likely a big reason why. Getting people addicted to generous unemployment benefits may have been a larger contributor. But I doubt you care bout that either, because it doesn't serve liberalism.How would you know what I care about. You sound like an idiot when you post things like that.

And you are wrong about unemployment benefits. It just caused pain to those receiving the benefits - which given the conserv. states track record appears to be what was intended.

State governors, largely Republicans, said the federal funds were keeping recipients from looking for jobs, making it harder for businesses to hire and holding back the economic recovery.

However, Census Bureau data suggests recipients didn’t rush to find jobs in the weeks following the first batch of state withdrawals, according to Arindrajit Dube, an economics professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

Specifically, the share of adults receiving unemployment benefits fell sharply (by 2.2 percentage points) in the dozen states that cut federal funding on June 12 or 19, according to Dube. That translates to a 60% reduction in unemployment rolls in those states, he said.

But there wasn’t a corresponding increase in employment among this group — in fact, the share of adults with a job fell by 1.4 percentage points over the same period, according to Dube. (Employment rose by 0.2 percentage points in states that didn’t end the pandemic benefits.)

Together, the data shows there wasn’t an immediate job boost following the cuts, Dube said.

i respect what you say and is he curious to see your take on that one aspect of this. Do border states have all the responsibility due to their bad luck of being in the border? Or do all 50 states share the responsibility?

Yes, they do share responsibility. There is no easy fix. Busing them (or flying) for a political stunt to various liberal states with no infrastructure or plan is not the answer, however.

Yes, they do share responsibility. There is no easy fix. Busing them (or flying) for a political stunt to various liberal states with no infrastructure or plan is not the answer, however.

they share responsibility? democrats are going berserk that a tiny tiny number were sent to blue states

there’s an extremely easy fix. Build a wall. China pulled it off with the Great Wall in 200 BC. That wall is 13,000 miles long. . The mexican border is around 2,000 miles.

You say we should all pitch in, yet you say it’s a political stunt when border states asks other states to ante up. Which is it?

If border states encounter 2 million immigrants this year ( and i think it’s projected to be higher than that for the first time), why not send them proportionately to all 50 states?

they share responsibility? democrats are going berserk that aren’t number we’re sent to blue states

there’s an extremely easy fix. Build a wall. China pulled it off with the Great Wall in 200 BC. That wall is 13,000 miles long. . The mexican border is around 2,000 miles.

You say we should all pitch in, yet you say it’s a political stunt when border states asks other states to ante up. Which is it?

If border states encounter 2 million immigrants this year ( and i think it’s projected to be higher than that for the first time), why not send them proportionately to all 50 states?

How many of those 2 million are turned back vs let in?

Also, this is through 2019, they do end up in all 50 states.
From the MPI; these are the top 10 states with 'unauthorized immigrants by share.

ok.

any chance you can answer this - do southern border states deserve to shoulder this burden, or do all 50 states have a responsibility to deal with it? Why is it unfair for southern states to expect that each state take a proportionate share of these immigrants? Why do southern states deserve this burden?

All 50 states do.

But what was done w/MV was a stunt (as shown by the presence of the videographer). It was just meant to cause pain to those 50 people who were sent and a small island. But Obama has a house there so lets cause some pain to people.

I never thought America would regress to a time when treating minorities inhumanely increased a politician’s popularity. Such cruelty has never been seen before. It’s outrageous.

…oh wait, white politicians in America have been doing that for centuries.
Sorry if that makes you feel guilty
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they share responsibility? democrats are going berserk that a tiny tiny number were sent to blue states

there’s an extremely easy fix. Build a wall. China pulled it off with the Great Wall in 200 BC. That wall is 13,000 miles long. . The mexican border is around 2,000 miles.

You say we should all pitch in, yet you say it’s a political stunt when border states asks other states to ante up. Which is it?

If border states encounter 2 million immigrants this year ( and i think it’s projected to be higher than that for the first time), why not send them proportionately to all 50 states?

It’s to bad we couldn’t get a president elected who promised to build it and if that failed his supporters would donate the money to get it built! Oh wait I think that sort of happened, but crimes got in the way.

How about way more people crossing, way more fentanyl overdoses killing Americans?

You aren't aware of anything different at the border today, compared to 2 years ago, seriously?

Jim your being suckered again by your conservatives sources

Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States. Seizures of fentanyl sourced from China

Not Mexico

And how about some personal responsibility don’t take illegal drugs and maybe you won’t die from a Fentanyl overdose

So you can’t answer what changed via physical and policy on the border .. the only thing that change is the volume of people coming to the US for a better life.. not sure why that offends people


It’s funny Martha’s Vineyard depends on immigration to run all the summer business via

H-2A and H-2B visas are for seasonal, or peak load, temporary workers in an agriculture (H-2A) or non-agricultural (H-2B) setting. Generally, these do not extend beyond a year.

Which Trump and Republicans supported Trump administration nearly doubles H-2B guest visa program, which brings many Mexican workers
In 2019

Then Trump signs order freezing visas for foreign workers through the end of the year in 2020


Like I said Republicans have ZERO intentions of trying to fix the border issue .. they think it can be closed It’s the same simple fantasy that having more drilling permits will lower gas prices

The Republican base is so uninformed. It’s amazing and Republicans leaders use it to their advantage daily

Billions in funding for the border over the years. Trump literally built parts of his "wall" with funding for DoD programs and bragged the border was secured.

Did the wall come down? Did the border patrol stop operating?
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I think it's worth noting that Ron DeSantis himself was in Nantucket just last month s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to private equity for campaign contributions. Mr. 'Stick it to the Blue States' has no problem with MA when it suits his greed. As odious a man as you will ever find.
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Jim your being suckered again by your conservatives sources

Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States. Seizures of fentanyl sourced from China

Not Mexico

And how about some personal responsibility don’t take illegal drugs and maybe you won’t die from a Fentanyl overdose

So you can’t answer what changed via physical and policy on the border .. the only thing that change is the volume of people coming to the US for a better life.. not sure why that offends people


It’s funny Martha’s Vineyard depends on immigration to run all the summer business via

H-2A and H-2B visas are for seasonal, or peak load, temporary workers in an agriculture (H-2A) or non-agricultural (H-2B) setting. Generally, these do not extend beyond a year.

Which Trump and Republicans supported Trump administration nearly doubles H-2B guest visa program, which brings many Mexican workers
In 2019

Then Trump signs order freezing visas for foreign workers through the end of the year in 2020


Like I said Republicans have ZERO intentions of trying to fix the border issue .. they think it can be closed It’s the same simple fantasy that having more drilling permits will lower gas prices

The Republican base is so uninformed. It’s amazing and Republicans leaders use it to their advantage daily

martha’s vineyard depends on legal, temporary immigration.

You see no difference between that and millions and millions of them living here, having lots of kids, requiring immense services

My god.

It’s to bad we couldn’t get a president elected who promised to build it and if that failed his supporters would donate the money to get it built! Oh wait I think that sort of happened, but crimes got in the way.

true.


i’ll ask you, the fourth liberal here, the same question ( the other 3 dodged.)

By what logic should
americans in southern states, bear this burden? By what logic is it unfair to ask all 50 states to take. proportionate share of the illegals?

The logic is that under the laws of this federal republic, immigration is the responsibility of the federal government. If you’re not happy with the laws change Congress.

And since federal laws likely were broken, the US Attorney in Massachusetts will be serving grand jury subpoenas no later than next week. DOD IG will commence investigation of use of USAF facilities.
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true.


i’ll ask you, the fourth liberal here, the same question ( the other 3 dodged.)

By what logic should
americans in southern states, bear this burden? By what logic is it unfair to ask all 50 states to take. proportionate share of the illegals?

Jim Southern states do not just bear this burden. Conservatives were complaining about ghost flights the said were secret fly around immigrants in the dark . Which by they way weren’t secret

You once again are being fooled by your conservatives mouth pieces

Top 5 states with the biggest immigrant population in order.

California, Texas , New York , Florida , New Jersey

Please do some research and some common sense .. if your on the Mexican border you going to get more immigration its the way it’s been since the 1800’s

You want to fix immigration fix central American seeing the USA screwed them up for decades and a more recent view

Ronald Reagan Made Central America a Killing Field
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Jim Southern states do not just bear this burden. Conservatives were complaining about ghost flights the said were secret fly around immigrants in the dark . Which by they way weren’t secret

You once again are being fooled by your conservatives mouth pieces

Top 5 states with the biggest immigrant population in order.

California, Texas , New York , Florida , New Jersey

Please do some research and some common sense .. if your on the Mexican border you going to get more immigration its the way it’s been since the 18

You want to fix immigration fix central American seeing the USA screwed them up for decades and a more recent view

Ronald Reagan Made Central America a Killing Field
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please post a link showing those are the top 5’states for where illegal immigrants currently are. we’re talking about illegal
immigrants, not legal.

It’s not our job to fix central america. Please post how much money we’ve sent to mexico ans central america over the last 50 years. And we have military in food stamps. I say fix that first. You disagree? Boy is live to see your answer to that.

Yes southern states will get the illegals initially. But why can’t all 50 states take a share of them ? you didn’t answer that. Chicago shipped them off immediately, and martha’s vineyard officials say they’re going to donuts same thing. The DC mayor wants the national guard in there to deal with the few sent from TX. Where’s the love on the left?

The difference in Florida’s reaction to people fleeing a socialist government in 1959-66 to people fleeing a socialist government in 2022 is startling. The first group got welcomed with open arms while second has been demeaned and trafficked against their will and knowledge.
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The difference in Florida’s reaction to people fleeing a socialist government in 1959-66 to people fleeing a socialist government in 2022 is startling. The first group got welcomed with open arms while second has been demeaned and trafficked against their will and knowledge.
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So you criticize FL for not welcoming them, but have nothing to say about Martha’s Vineyard officials saying they’re going to similarly ship them off. The swells on the vineyard don’t want them either, and they currently don’t have any. FL has plenty.

Why can’t Martha’s Vineyard ante up and accept a few??

When you advocate for open borders, this is what you’re advocating for. Illegal immigrants who need to be housed, fed, given medical attention, schools for their kids. If Mayor Lightfoot and the islanders in the Vineyard don’t want them, maybe they should stop advocating for exactly this

Classic hypocritical “I’m for this, but not in my backyard” position. Big on talk, short on actual principles.

Jim Southern states do not just bear this burden.

Umm

So you criticize FL for not welcoming them, but have nothing to say about Martha’s Vineyard officials saying they’re going to similarly ship them off. The swells on the vineyard don’t want them either, and they currently don’t have any. FL has plenty.

Why can’t Martha’s Vineyard ante up and accept a few??

When you advocate for open borders, this is what you’re advocating for. Illegal immigrants who need to be housed, fed, given medical attention, schools for their kids. If Mayor Lightfoot and the islanders in the Vineyard don’t want them, maybe they should stop advocating for exactly this

Classic hypocritical “I’m for this, but not in my backyard” position. Big on talk, short on actual principles.

You’re claiming DeSantis has principles, MAGA Christians like you cheer on the cruelty and hate of Ron DeSantis.

Thankfully, most Christians believe in the actual teachings of Jesus Christ: “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me." Matthew 25:35.

1. DeSantis hired a woman named Perla to prowl the streets of San Antonio in Texas, lure migrants onto a plane under false pretenses of a trip to Boston and expedited work visas, and then dropped them in Martha’s Vineyard
2. The Venezuelan migrants that Ron DeSantis sent to Martha’s Vineyard were NOT here illegally. They were asylum seekers who fled the socialist Maduro regime, and have legitimate claims for asylum. Exploiting these vulnerable people for a political stunt is cruel and despicable.
3. Isn't it odd how all the talk is about borders in Texas and Arizona, but not California or New Mexico?
4. I love people acting like Massachusetts doesn't have one of the highest rates of non-native born residents in the US- higher than everywhere in the south except TX and FL. People are acting like no one is MA has ever seen an immigrant before and won't be able to cope...
5. The MAGA disinformation machine is cranking post and media segments that white liberals on Martha’s Vineyard are panicking and upset and in crisis mode. They have to feel that Desantis owns the libs. It’s largely based on a 30 second clip from one woman, but that’s all they need.
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Umm

well he claims that other states have the largest number of immigrants, but he did t provide any data, so he might have been referring to legal immigration, which is a totally separate issue

How would you like being a landowner in southern Texas? And hearing wealthy liberals say walls are bad, when those wealthy liberals will never, ever have to live with the effects of the open borders they advocate for.

well he claims that other states have the largest number of immigrants, but he did t provide any data, so he might have been referring to legal immigration, which is a totally separate issue

How would you like being a landowner in southern Texas? And hearing wealthy liberals say walls are bad, when those wealthy liberals will never, ever have to live with the effects of the open borders they advocate for.

See post 37.
Massachusetts is #13 for Percent State Share of the Total Unauthorized Immigrant Population

See post 37.
Massachusetts is #13 for Percent State Share of the Total Unauthorized Immigrant Population

I saw your post. that was my source also .. but those facts seem to always fall on deaf ears

And again with the open border nonsense …. it’s that same border Trump had I guess Jim never played red rover red rover , and if you walked from Thru 5 country’s to get to America any company should. Want to hire such a committed person. And they do !

Just saw this - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

As the Republican governors of Texas, Arizona and Florida send busloads and planeloads of migrants to liberal bastions in the north to protest President Joe Biden's immigration policies, some have struck a comparison with a dark and mostly forgotten chapter of American history: the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962.

Since April, governors Greg Abbott of Texas, Doug Ducey of Arizona and Ron DeSantis of Florida have collectively ordered thousands of migrants to be dropped in Democratic-led areas like Washington D.C., New York, Chicago and Martha's Vineyard.

According to many of the migrants who arrived in the small Massachusetts island on Wednesday, those traveling didn't exactly know their destination—but they were promised they would get jobs and housing upon their arrival.

That is not what awaited them in the north. While volunteers and authorities in Martha's Vineyard, Washington D.C. and New York scrambled to take care of the newly arrived migrants, officials have denounced a lack of resources and facilities to face the unexpected challenge coming from the southern states.

For some, the narrative that has guided the migrants to the liberal bastions in the north sounded familiar.

The Boston-based John F. Kennedy Presidential Library has drawn a parallel between the busing migrant crisis and DeSantis' program to fly planeloads of migrants outside of state lines to the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962, when white southern segregationists tricked hundreds of Black Americans into moving north, promising them they would find jobs and housing in liberal states.

"To embarrass Northern liberals and humiliate Black people, southern White Citizens Councils started their so-called 'Reverse Freedom Rides,' giving Black people one-way tickets to northern cities with false promises of jobs, housing, and better lives," the library of the 35th U.S. president tweeted on Thursday.

The Reverse Freedom Rides were a parody of the Freedom Rides organized by the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) in the early 1960s, and were made in retaliation against northern liberals and the civil rights movement. Free one-way bus tickets were given to families who were lured into moving north with the promise of high-paid jobs and free housing. Some were even told they would meet President Kennedy.

But none of that happened.

Some 200 people boarded the Greyhound buses to progressive cities in the north, with the largest group—exactly 96 people—destined for Hyannis, Massachusetts—a short distance from Martha's Vineyard where some of today's migrants have been sent.

Hyannis is where the Williams, one of the first families who made it to the north from Arkansas, arrived in the summer of 1962, ready to meet the Kennedys, as they were told.

In 2019, Gabrielle Emanuel, a journalist with Boston public radio station WGBH, interviewed the families who had made the trip, including the Williams. Betty Williams, who was 18 at the time of the move, told WGBH that her mother Lela Mae was trying to give her nine children a better life.

"My mom thought that when she came to the North, she was going to have a better life for her children, better jobs and better housing," she said. "Better everything for all of us."

When they got off the bus in front of the Kennedys' home, there were cameras ready to film the arrivals of the Williams, prompted by the same Louisiana segregationist who had helped spearhead the Reverse Freedom Rides, Amis Guthridge.

While the then-president wasn't there to greet the Black family, civil rights activist Margaret Moseley was there, and she told WGBH in 2019 that the event "was one of the most inhuman things I have ever seen."

While Guthridge and George Singelmann —the original organizer of the rides— said that the Reverse Freedom Rides program was born "in a spirit of beneficence and humanitarianism," Moseley told WGBH she knew that the Black families were only pawns in a segregationist game.

While many found jobs and housing in the north eventually, some didn't. And life for the uprooted families was much different than the one they had envisioned before moving north.

'Pulling From A Playbook': The Migrant Busing Crisis
According to Abbott's office, more than 9,400 migrants have been dropped off in Washington since April—now likely over 9,500 with those left outside Vice President Kamala Harris' residence on Thursday—and more than 2,100 have been sent to New York. Since May, Arizona has sent 43 buses to Washington, D.C., transporting at least 1,500 migrants who are mainly from Colombia, Peru and Venezuela, according to Ducey.

On Wednesday, DeSantis claimed responsibility for flying some 50 migrants, mostly from Venezuela, to Martha's Vineyard. DeSantis said he's helping migrants "to go to greener pastures" in sanctuary jurisdictions.

Yep an original idea from the party who loves living in the past when they told there supporters Blacks were the enemy to their way of life as they are now claiming the brown invasion is the latest assault against their way of life:sleeps:

Reverse Freedom Rides’: An echo of Martha’s Vineyard migrant flights 60 years ago
Tricked by segregationists with promises of work and housing, Black families were dropped in Cape Cod with nothing. Sound familiar?

And guess what

Today’s migrants in Martha’s Vineyard are now being transported to the same Cape Cod military base that housed the “Reverse Freedom Riders” decades ago.

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"The Chamber of Commerce of Martha’s Vineyard said the island was facing a “humanitarian crisis” after Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent just 50 migrants to the island this week. Yet more than 24,000 illegal immigrants would need to arrive on the island for it to equally share the burden faced by Del Rio, Texas, on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Del Rio area had more than 49,500 migrant encounters in July alone — more than the population of the city itself, which has a population of just over 34,500 people. By contrast, the year-round population of Martha’s Vineyard is 17,000 people and the island welcomed just 50 migrants when the “humanitarian crisis” was triggered."

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the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.

the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.

Poor victim

In January 2021, just before Biden took office, your hero said:

I kept my promises. And today we celebrate an extraordinary milestone: the completion of the promised 450 miles of border wall. … You have some areas that are virtually impossible to get by. So we didn’t need walls everywhere, but… in every region that we’ve built the wall, illegal crossings and drug smuggling have plummeted. … One of the big elements of the wall that make it so successful is we can have far fewer people working.

So Trump believed the wall was working too, and that it wasn’t needed everywhere. Regardless, if his $15 billion, 455‐​mile border wall can be defeated by any small gap anywhere in it, it just goes to show the absurdity of the whole project because gaps can and are being made on a near‐​daily basis.

The Trump border wall failed for all the predictable reasons. Immigrants used cheap ladders to climb over it, or they free climb it. They used cheap power tools to cut through it. They cut through small pieces and squeezed through, and they cut through big sections and drove through. In one small section in 2020, they sawed through at least 18 times that Border Patrol knew about in a month. They also made tunnels. Some tunnels were long, including the longest one ever discovered, but some were short enough just to get past the barrier.
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martha’s vineyard depends on legal, temporary immigration.

You see no difference between that and millions and millions of them living here, having lots of kids, requiring immense services

My god.

Those people are here legally that’s why the were on that flight .

Also my larger point migration and migrant workers do not strike fear on the island of 15 k people

"The Chamber of Commerce of Martha’s Vineyard said the island was facing a “humanitarian crisis” after Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent just 50 migrants to the island this week. Yet more than 24,000 illegal immigrants would need to arrive on the island for it to equally share the burden faced by Del Rio, Texas, on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Del Rio area had more than 49,500 migrant encounters in July alone — more than the population of the city itself, which has a population of just over 34,500 people. By contrast, the year-round population of Martha’s Vineyard is 17,000 people and the island welcomed just 50 migrants when the “humanitarian crisis” was triggered."


Maybe you need to look up what an island is :huh:

the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.


Like Scott look up island instead making excuses for your man crush and lack of moral values

For the usual suspects who think we have open borders And feel laws aren’t being followed ..

Asylum Explained

In simple terms, asylum is a way that civilized nations protect persons who come from other countries that are unwilling or unable to protect them. Immigration law, specifically §101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, defines a refugee or asylee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group or
Political opinion
Asylum applications are managed by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), just like all other immigration petitions and processes.

The United States recognizes these international definitions of asylum and sets them as criteria that may allow people to remain in the United States. Thus, USCIS does not grant asylum solely on the basis of:

Wanting a better economic opportunity
Because the family-based immigration process takes too long
They didn’t know better
USCIS admits approximately 25,000 asylees each year. However, there is no statutory limit. The cap on refugees is different. So, President Biden’s announcement to increase refugee admissions to about 125,000 is not tied to the asylum process. Resources to adjudicate (make a decision) on cases is one of the biggest limiting factors for the number of asylum admissions.

Once again statistics don’t prove their version of events

For the usual suspects who think we have open borders

Democrat Congressman from Texas says it is "literally an open border"...probably has no idea what he's talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZGmnuMxQDQ

I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.


A stunt, never heard of such a thing

A stunt, never heard of such a thing

yeah, they should think of it as an opportunity for endless sanctimonious virtue signaling...:spin:

Massachusetts is one of eight “donor states” that pays more in federal taxes than it gets back in federal expenditures (ranks third behind NY and NJ).
Florida, by contrast, is the third biggest “taker state” (behind VA and KY), getting over $50B more than it pays in.
Just sayin’.
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This outrage must stop. New Jersey is flying criminal Turkish immigrants to Pennsylvania to run for office.
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If it wasn’t for immigration 1\2 of Del Reo residents wouldn’t have jobs

And Republicans need to stop crying as if this hasn’t been happening for decades and their are facilities built just for what’s happening just look at the maps. MV could throw them in the county jail that’s the only bed space on the island

So when people like to again everything’s equal .. their not.

Odd when are Republicans going to start talking about the Chinese invasion their top of the asylum list :kewl:

Last week, liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard were adamantly opposed to securing the southern border with a wall, and said it was xenophobic and hate mongering to oppose illegals.

Today, those same exact liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard have illegals in their backyards, and are shipping them off as soon as they can work out the logistics.

The liberals flip flipped 180 degrees.

And they’ll tell us they were right both times.

A stunt, never heard of such a thing

they’re all in favor of illegals, as long as they don’t have to see
any.

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Saw the Homer one! And this is pretty good...

they’re all in favor of illegals, as long as they don’t have to see
any.

What the miser class wanted from the dehumanizing Martha's Vineyard stunt was to accuse liberals of hating migrants just as much as they do. It was all geared for the "liberals deport migrants" headlines. They were going to do it regardless of whether it was true, and they have.
The people of Martha's Vineyard can take perfect care of them, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts can activate the National Guard to assist and offer them transportation where they can receive services, they can do everything right. but it won't matter. Misers will lie.
They will say that the National Guard was activated against the migrants, when they were activated on their behalf. They will say that the migrants were "deported," when they were offered voluntary transportation to receive services.
The entire point of the stunt was to make accusations of "liberal hypocrisy" on the grounds that liberals hate migrants just as much as Republicans do. It's not true, of course, but truth is irrelevant. They will lie, and their media organs will perpetuate the lie.
The actual truth will be lost in the confusion, as media that are not explicitly right-wing will start exploring the political winners and losers of the stunt and trying to navigate a middle ground between the truth and the lie.

The truth is that they were scooped up and taken care of despite arriving with no warning or preparation, they are now getting necessary legal help, medical attention if required, and will be far better off than in Texas or Florida.

Notice when places like Martha’s Vineyard prove they can be compassionate to immigrants, the fascists will just try to ship humans to to somewhere else.
Because the point isn’t to *solve* a problem, it’s to make one.
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Last week, liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard were adamantly opposed to securing the southern border with a wall, and said it was xenophobic and hate mongering to oppose illegals.

Today, those same exact liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard have illegals in their backyards, and are shipping them off as soon as they can work out the logistics.

The liberals flip flipped 180 degrees.

And they’ll tell us they were right both times.

Stop making sh it up
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Stop making sh it up
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what did i make up?

everything is ok when liberals do it!!!

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/09/10/some-migrants-bused-to-chicago-from-texas-have-been-sent-to-a-hotel-in-an-affluent-suburb/?outputType=amp

shhhh...don't tell anyone and upset the narrative

"Some of the migrants in Martha's Vineyard say the Florida-funded planes that took them to the island were 'a stroke of good luck.'."

what did i make up?

everything is ok when liberals do it!!!

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/09/10/some-migrants-bused-to-chicago-from-texas-have-been-sent-to-a-hotel-in-an-affluent-suburb/?outputType=amp

GOD you're despicable. They were ferried across the sound to Cape Cod where there is housing & supplies. Plus, they have to check in with nearest ICE office quickly or face permanent deportation -there is no ICE office on Martha's Vineyard (which is why Desantis sent them there)

Never mind that FL paid Vertol Systems $615,000 on Sept 8th out of the $12m deportation fund.

So Floridians paid $12,300 for each refugee DeSantis trafficked for his own political purposes.

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GOD you're despicable. They were ferried across the sound to Cape Cod where there is housing & supplies. Plus, they have to check in with nearest ICE office quickly or face permanent deportation -there is no ICE office on Martha's Vineyard (which is why Desantis sent them there)

Never mind that FL paid Vertol Systems $615,000 on Sept 8th out of the $12m deportation fund.

So Floridians paid $12,300 for each refugee DeSantis trafficked for his own political purposes.

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and chicago shipped to the suburbs

in both cases, people where the illegals were, didn’t want them, and shipped them off. How many planes has the Biden administration filled with illegals and flown them around, sometimes in the middle of the night? but that’s ok. Because everything is on when liberals do it.

It’s ok when Biden flies them around in the middle of the night, though!

https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/biden-secretly-flying-underage-migrants-into-ny-in-dead-of-night/amp/

and chicago shipped to the suburbs

in both cases, people where the illegals were, didn’t want them, and shipped them off. How many planes has the Biden administration filled with illegals and flown them around, sometimes in the middle of the night? but that’s ok. Because everything is on when liberals do it.

So they sent them to where the needed services were available, not to another state, would it be acceptable to send them to Wyoming, Oklahoma or Utah?
That would be the MAGA ploy, wouldn’t it🤔
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So they sent them to where the needed services were available, not to another state, would it be acceptable to send them to Wyoming, Oklahoma or Utah?

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no they sent them to somewhere much safer according to you and Paul....you constantly claim the Desantis is killing everyone in Florida and Paul constantly tells us that blue state social services are far superior than failed red states...you should thank Desantis.....a flight to a vacation paradise and a ferry ride to Cape Cod, sounds like a great vacation:bl:

no they sent them to somewhere much safer according to you and Paul....you constantly claim the Desantis is killing everyone in Florida and Paul constantly tells us that blue state social services are far superior than failed red states...you should thank Desantis.....a flight to a vacation paradise and a ferry ride to Cape Cod, sounds like a great vacation:bl:

The only thing Desantis miscalculated was that the Derby was going on and it wasn’t off-season, otherwise all those vacation rentals would have been available to house them. I’m sure the owners would have no problem donating them for such a worthy cause.
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The only thing Desantis miscalculated was that the Derby was going on and it wasn’t off-season, otherwise all those vacation rentals would have been available to house them. I’m sure the owners would have no problem donating them for such a worthy cause.
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You think they would live in “donated” housing somewheres in this country?

Many conservative thinkers over the last century: So much of modern leftism is envy. Unhealthy and unattractive.

TDF: Hold my beer.
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You think they would live in “donated” housing somewheres in this country?

Many conservative thinkers over the last century: So much of modern leftism is envy. Unhealthy and unattractive.

TDF: Hold my beer.
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I got a laugh out of that

It’s ok when Biden flies them around in the middle of the night, though!

https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/biden-secretly-flying-underage-migrants-into-ny-in-dead-of-night/amp/

Biden secretly flying underage migrants into NY in dead of night

So secret everyone knows about it

Many of those migrants had court dates on Monday in a different state

He said the promises came from a woman who gave her name as "Perla" who approached his family on the street outside a San Antonio shelter after they crossed from Mexico and U.S. border authorities released them with an immigration court date.


You really need to re-evaluate your character and the Character of those people you support with out question …

They seem to have no ethics no integrity dishonest to their core
And are willing to trample on any class of people they feel are unworthy. All while claiming to respect the rule of law and good Christians .

And you and others eat it up . and somehow twist it to some narrative that Ron or Abbot , Trump Orban are. How real American leaders should walk and talk and act ..

the term Deplorable’s seems to fit like a glove in the New GOP

Someone should see if John Paul can take 25 to CH Monday at 9:00 PM.

Some other fans favorites and their vision of leadership

Virginia has moved to restrict the rights of trans students in its public schools

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin's administration has proposed new policies for the state's schools regarding how they treat transgender students, including restricting which bathrooms they can use and which pronouns they may go by.

So Ron went to Harvard Law . Seems he may have to lawyer up.


Tallahassee-based immigration attorney Elizabeth Ricci explains there's a "good faith argument" to be made that luring the migrants onto planes with the promise of jobs makes them crime victims. And that means they could automatically qualify for a visa, she said.

"An enticement like that, regardless of whether you sign a waiver, is fraud and that is part of the definition of human trafficking," Ricci explains. "I think that everybody on those planes has a case to legalize as a direct result of being transported by the governor."

Rachel Self, a Massachusetts lawyer specializing in immigration, has been vocal about her interactions with the migrants while they were on Martha's Vineyard. "We believe they are victims of kidnapping," she wrote in a statement, according to The Martha's Vineyard Times, "it may well result in every individual who was induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U visa."

Tallahassee-based immigration attorney Elizabeth Ricci explains there's a "good faith argument" to be made that luring the migrants onto planes with the promise of jobs

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I heard they were told they'd get Obamaphones:kewl:

I heard they were told they'd get Obamaphones:kewl:

I always was amazed that Obama was so powerful that the first Obama phone was given out before he was even president.
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I heard they were told they'd get Obamaphones:kewl:

Since you’ve assured us that media tells you little or nothing, was that voices in your head telling you that or Jim whispering in your ear?
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NYC mayor Adams contact TX gov. office to see if they can be informed of the bus arrivals to be ready. TX said sorry not cruel enough.

NYC mayor Adams contact TX gov. office to see if they can be informed of the bus arrivals to be ready. TX said sorry not cruel enough.

when Biden flies them around in the middle of the night, when mayor lightfoot ships them off to the suburbs, those are ok. when a republican does it? cruel.

when Biden flies them around in the middle of the night, when mayor lightfoot ships them off to the suburbs, those are ok. when a republican does it? cruel.

You mean when Biden sends them to facilities where they can get treatment and stay versus those trashy Republican Governors who are sending them to small Islands who are not capable of dealing with an influx of immigrants? I got a laugh out of that comparison.
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You mean when Biden sends them to facilities where they can get treatment and stay versus those trashy Republican Governors who are sending them to small Islands who are not capable of dealing with an influx of immigrants? I got a laugh out of that comparison.
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Sure Paul. Tell that to the mayors of Chicago suburbs who Lightfoot dumped them on.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illinois-governor-chicago-mayor-blasted-hypocrisy-sending-migrants-bussed-texas-suburbs

Look, I give the GOP a huge fat F on this issue. But as of today, it's the left that thinks it's virtuous to incentivize more illegals to come, the left who think it's virtuous to not deport them. Fine. You want 'em, you got 'em.

NYC mayor Adams contact TX gov. office to see if they can be informed of the bus arrivals to be ready. TX said sorry not cruel enough.

I think it's totally reasonable for destinations to be given some advanced notice that it's happening. Do you have support for the statement that TX rejected the request for advanced notice? If that happened, Abbott deserves to be clubbed with that.

https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-mayor-says-texas-refused-to-coordinate-on-migrant-crisis

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has refused to coordinate with New York on the asylum seekers he’s bused to the city since May, Mayor Eric Adams said Sunday, citing six more buses that arrived this morning.

Speaking on ABC’s This Week, Adams said moments of crisis call for coordination, but the city wasn’t being notified of when buses of migrant families were arriving.

“We reached out to Governor Abbott when we first discovered that he was compelling people to get on the bus, he was tagging them. He was sending them on a 45-hour ride, without any proper food, water or medical care,” Adams said. “We've reached out and stated [to say] let's coordinate and work together so we can deal with this crisis together. They refused to do so.”




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/migrants-flown-to-martha-s-vineyard-on-planes-chartered-by-desantis-received-a-brochure-that-falsely-promised-cash-job-placement-and-more-lawyers-say/ar-AA120vzl?cvid=ffaa2f6395bf44eea72538ea6469ef77

Migrants who were flown to Martha's Vineyard as part of an anti-liberal political stunt by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis were given brochures falsely promising cash assistance, job placement services, and more, according to their lawyers.


The Boston-headquartered Lawyers for Civil Rights, which is representing about 30 of the immigrants flown to Martha's Vineyard, shared links to photos of the brochure via Twitter. The group says the migrants received the brochure "at some point during their expulsion and relocation from Texas & Florida."

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The San Antonio sheriff is launching a criminal probe into DeSantis’s kidnapping operation:

“What infuriates me most in this case is that we have 48 people who are already on hard times, they are here legally…and I believe they were preyed upon.”
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It’s called human trafficking.
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DeSantis announced that Florida is some kind of awful place and Massachusetts is heaven? I mean, if he says so, but not sure that’s a good message for Florida.

DeSantis says migrants sent to Martha's Vineyard 'hit the jackpot'
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The San Antonio sheriff is launching a criminal probe into DeSantis’s kidnapping operation:

“What infuriates me most in this case is that we have 48 people who are already on hard times, they are here legally…and I believe they were preyed upon.”
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Laura Ingraham was all over this sheriff calling him woke and suddenly doesn’t have respect for law enforcement or the rule of law not really a surprise . With conservatives who love to accuse Biden and Dems for weaponizing the DOJ …

I say tell Republicans to stop breaking the law .

Laura Ingraham was all over this sheriff calling him woke and suddenly doesn’t have respect for law enforcement or the rule of law not really a surprise .

I say tell Republicans to stop breaking the law .

hmmmm....can we believe the 16 or 17 FBI whistleblowers?

What we understand is a Venezuelan migrant was paid a bird-dog fee to recruit 50 migrants

Seems bird dog fees are illegal in Texas

Iowa Rep. Steve King's analogy that allowing certain immigrants into the United States is like selecting quality dogs

What’s truly amazing this comment is from 2012. Just showing Republicans haven’t evolved on the immigration issue. They don’t want it fixed


Plus U.S. arrests along Mexico border top 2 million a year for first time

So we arrested 2millon which means Stopped ! But Republicans claim we have open borders

I bet if those 50 migrants landed in Florida from Cuba Ron would have given them all hugs and hand shakes for escaping communist or socialist rule

But the Republican base are so uninformed they have no idea Venezuela is ruled by Nicolás Maduro. And a country they always insist America is turning into under democrats


We're aimed at a singular mission, ensuring that the Venezuelan people get the democracy that they so richly deserved," U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday on CNN.

President Trump and his supporters boast of the president's leadership in confronting Mr. Maduro,


The Republican National Committee on Thursday took a heavy swipe at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – the 28-year-old Latina who unseated a long-serving Democratic congressman in New York’s June primary – comparing her to Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro.


Yep Republicans dishonesty has no limits

hmmmm....can we believe the 16 or 17 FBI whistleblowers?

Still in denial …. There’s an old saying

If one person calls you an ass, ignore them. If five people call you an ass, buy a saddle”.

Trumps got a lot more than 5 people all saying the same thing

Must be that pesky deep state of yours hard at work :devil2:

It’s called human trafficking.
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it’s human trafficking for the government to transport people
who break the law, from one place to another? the government never does that?

I’m curious, what do you think we should do with these people? i think we’re on track to surpass over 2 million illegals caught by border patrol for 2022. Two million in one year. . where would you put them? what would you do with them?

i don’t like human suffering any more then anybody else does, but we can’t feed the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. There are limits.

How’d you like to be a land owner in southern texas and having to watch trespassers crap on your lawn every single day?

Still in denial …. There’s an old saying

If one person calls you an ass, ignore them. If five people call you an ass, buy a saddle”.

Trumps got a lot more than 5 people all saying the same thing

Must be that pesky deep state of yours hard at work :devil2:


I didn't mention trump....

maybe you need a saddle....

I didn't mention trump....

maybe you need a saddle....

Scott why even comment? If all you do is claim you did mention or imply anything! :sleeps:

it’s human trafficking for the government to transport people
who break the law, from one place to another? the government never does that?

I’m curious, what do you think we should do with these people? i think we’re on track to surpass over 2 million illegals caught by border patrol for 2022. Two million in one year. . where would you put them? what would you do with them?

i don’t like human suffering any more then anybody else does, but we can’t There are limits.

How’d you like to be a land owner in southern texas and having to watch trespassers crap on your lawn every single day?

Who broke the law Jim those people were in the states legally do you not understand how our laws work?

Only conservatives think 2 million people are staying in America thanks to Biden. Hence the term caught Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow


FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth ..

But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different :btu:

The Venezuelans whom DeSantis flew to Martha’s Vineyard were in the United States seeking asylum. They followed U.S. law. They are not 'illegal aliens.'
They are here legally, if you disagree with the law perhaps you can find support for changing it.
Some think that the type of person who gets themselves out of a dangerous situation, walks thousands of miles through potential hostile territory, all to create a life with stability, security, and opportunity, will probably be a very productive member of whatever society welcomes them.
But many Republicans are cynical people lacking in basic human empathy. As such, they think any act of kindness by others must be a con, because that's what it'd be if they were doing it.
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Who broke the law Jim those people were in the states legally do you not understand how our laws work?

Only conservatives think 2 million people are staying in America thanks to Biden. Hence the term caught Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow


FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth ..

But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different :btu:

OK, I'm sorry, they crossed the border illegally but are now temporarily here legally. You knew what I meant.

What would you suggest we do, with 2 million people a year who cross illegally? The Washington Post says there were 2 million illegal crossings in just the past 11 months, when we've never had a full year over 2 million before. What would you do with them all? (Answer: whatever MSNBC tells you we should do with them).

"Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow "

(1) it's 2 million IN ONE YEAR. Not 2 million for all time. If that number was so digestable, why did Chicago and Marthas Vineyard get rid of them so quickly? Why don't these liberal enclaves want these people? Seems like they should want them to stay?

"FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth"

We don't do it for every single person on the planet. There are limits.

Easy to lob insults. Try something harder, try telling us what you'd do with 2 million illegals a year.

"But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different"

Ah, the race card, the last desperate ploy of a liberal losing the argument. The GOP is in favor of legal immigration. Especially now, since it looks like Latinos are shifting right. But you keep spouting nonsense and then screaming "racism" when you get called out for it. It's a great strategy.

OK, I'm sorry, they crossed the border illegally but are now temporarily here legally. You knew what I meant.

What would you suggest we do, with 2 million people a year who cross illegally? The Washington Post says there were 2 million illegal crossings in just the past 11 months, when we've never had a full year over 2 million before. What would you do with them all? (Answer: whatever MSNBC tells you we should do with them).

"Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow "

(1) it's 2 million IN ONE YEAR. Not 2 million for all time. If that number was so digestable, why did Chicago and Marthas Vineyard get rid of them so quickly? Why don't these liberal enclaves want these people? Seems like they should want them to stay?

"FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth"

We don't do it for every single person on the planet. There are limits.

There are limits Jim and the law prescribes those limits and procedures. It’s Republicans who wish not to fix the problem they insist exist

Easy to lob insults. Try something harder, try telling us what you'd do with 2 million illegals a year. There are not 2 million staying in America but keep insisting that’s what happening

"But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different"

Ah, the race card, no Jim it’s called the truth you should try it .


Why do you still insist they came crossed illegally Even law enforcement states these people were here legally. They were documented. They had the right to walk around the streets free and not be transported across the country for it to be a media event. That's a tragedy. That is at worst some type of crime. We're going to look at what extent of the law we can hold people accountable."

But conservatives only want accountability for whom they disagree with. while covering for the crimes of those they agree and support with out question, no matter how horrible

The pages of American history are full of recent Republicans examples of brotherly love

Why do you still insist they came crossed illegally Even law enforcement states these people were here legally. They were documented. They had the right to walk around the streets free and not be transported across the country for it to be a media event. That's a tragedy. That is at worst some type of crime. We're going to look at what extent of the law we can hold people accountable."

But conservatives only want accountability for whom they disagree with. while covering for the crimes of those they agree and support with out question, no matter how horrible

The pages of American history are full of recent Republicans examples of brotherly love

"There are limits Jim and the law prescribes those limits and procedures. It’s Republicans who wish not to fix the problem they insist exist"

And the fact that 2 million will come illegally, makes the limits prescribed by law, moot.

"There are not 2 million staying in America but keep insisting that’s what happening"

They stay here until they get deported, if that happens. In teh meantime, they need a place to live and food and medical care and social services and schools. When Obama put them in cages, not a peep. When Trump used the same exact cages, it was a crime against humanity.

"no Jim it’s called the truth you should try it ."

It's "your" truth. Not "the" truth. Which side want school choice? Which side implemented criminal justice reform?

You can’t debate whataboutism Jim, the thread was about Ron’s political stunt, which is about to backfire and Jim is time traveling as he is apt to do when he can’t win the debate.

Desantis’ office has copies of consent forms reportedly signed by every immigrant he shipped to the vineyard.

Do kidnapping victims, and human trafficking victims, typically sign documents affirming their consent to being kidnapped?

If liberals believe what they claim to believe ( and they absolutely do not in this issue) they’d welcome these people with open arms, instead of getting them out of their sight as soon as possible.

“we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.”

Desantis’ office has copies of consent forms reportedly signed by every immigrant he shipped to the vineyard.

Do kidnapping victims, and human trafficking victims, typically sign documents affirming their consent to being kidnapped?

If liberals believe what they claim to believe ( and they absolutely do not in this issue) they’d welcome these people with open arms, instead of getting them out of their sight as soon as possible.

“we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.”

They were lured into the trip with bogus flyers listing bogus promises.
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Desantis’ office has copies of consent forms reportedly signed by every immigrant he shipped to the vineyard.

Do kidnapping victims, and human trafficking victims, typically sign documents affirming their consent to being kidnapped?

If liberals believe what they claim to believe ( and they absolutely do not in this issue) they’d welcome these people with open arms, instead of getting them out of their sight as soon as possible.

“we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.”

Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), when asked why the state paid to transport migrants from Texas instead of from Florida:

“The problem is we’re not seeing mass movements of them into Florida … It’s just coming in onesie-twosies.”
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Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), when asked why the state paid to transport migrants from Texas instead of from Florida:

“The problem is we’re not seeing mass movements of them into Florida … It’s just coming in onesie-twosies.”
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That statement was shocking, I thought everyone wants to go to Florida.

They signed a wavier

That’s the weakest excuse I have ever heard . Right up there with I have no classified documents. But seeing you found them . I declassified them. Ya know the ones I claimed I didn’t have ”

Says the man who supports the man who sent them to an island with no services for them

Then sickly twist their move to where services and short term housing was available into

we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.

Seems Jim you only love them when they are used to own the Libs.

you and Maga movement and those who cheer Ron And 4 wheels are pathological
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They signed a wavier

That’s the weakest excuse I have ever heard . Right up there with I have no classified documents. But seeing you found them . I declassified them. Ya know the ones I claimed I didn’t have ”

Says the man who supports the man who sent them to an island with no services for them

Then sickly twist their move to where services and short term housing was available into

we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.

Seems Jim you only love them when they are used to own the Libs.

you and Maga movement and those who cheer Ron And 4 wheels are pathological
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if they voluntarily signed a waiver, ( and maybe that’s a big “if”), it means they weren’t kidnapped.

You can’t make that wrong by lobbing insults.

oh, and you pivoted to trump. if i were you, i’d accuse you of what about-ism. but it’s ok when you do it.

I’d sign a waiver too if I read an amazing pamphlet full of promises to fuel my hopes and dreams which turned out to be 100% fraudulent.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-officials-made-fake-brochures-for-migrants-lawsuit-ron-desantis-2022-9
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If it's true, someone ought to be fired. not buyin' it yet. There's a rape accusation against Biden, so when do we believe accusations, and when do we dismiss them? Does it all depend on the political party of the accused?

For the tenth time, if liberals in Chicago and the Vineyard believed what they claim to believe, wouldn't they want those illegals to be there? SO why did they ship them off as soon as it could be arranged?

I asked you, what you' suggest we do with 2 million illegals captured a year, if you responded, I didn't see it. But sending them all to the people who say they want them, sounds reasonable to me. Unless those people don't really want them, but like to claim they do...

I’d sign a waiver too if I read an amazing pamphlet full of promises to fuel my hopes and dreams which turned out to be 100% fraudulent.
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Donald Trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to unjustly enrich himself, to cheat the system,"

Trump's team allegedly received repeated estimates of the property's value from professional appraisers ranging from $200 million to $220 million.

Then, according to the lawsuit, the Trump organization inflated the value of the property in statements to more than $500 million, in order to gain unfair advantages with lenders and insurers

Sound familiar But the usual suspects. But but They signed a waiver

If it's true, someone ought to be fired. not buyin' it yet. There's a rape accusation against Biden, so when do we believe accusations, and when do we dismiss them? ..

Wow Yep your knee deep in the Cult .. someone should be Fired but Not Trump. Classic

Numbers don’t lie

The suit accuses Trump of claiming in 2015 that his triplex apartment at Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan was 30,000 square feet, more than three times its actual size of 10,996 square feet. That allowed him to value the apartment at a stratospherically high $327 million, at $29,738 per square foot

Numbers don’t lie

The suit accuses Trump of claiming in 2015 that his triplex apartment at Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan was 30,000 square feet, more than three times its actual size of 10,996 square feet. That allowed him to value the apartment at a stratospherically high $327 million, at $29,738 per square foot

good to see a politician following up on her campaign promise to follow her trump derangement wherever it leads her :kewl:

this guy loves to whack trump whenever he gets a chance...

Tish James Makes a Mountain of the Trump Molehill
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
The lawsuit exercise smacks of the political hackery for which James is now notorious.

good to see a politician following up on her campaign promise to follow her trump derangement wherever it leads her :kewl:

this guy loves to whack trump whenever he gets a chance...

Tish James Makes a Mountain of the Trump Molehill
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
The lawsuit exercise smacks of the political hackery for which James is now notorious.

Well you do know that will be determined by the success or failure of the lawsuit, not your opinion. The problem she will have is putting a jury of his peers together, in NY everyone already knows he is a crook and fraudster, good luck finding enough people who don’t already have an opinion of Trump.

good to see a politician following up on her campaign promise to follow her trump derangement wherever it leads her :kewl:

this guy loves to whack trump whenever he gets a chance...

Tish James Makes a Mountain of the Trump Molehill
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
The lawsuit exercise smacks of the political hackery for which James is now notorious.


Only in the land of the Trump cult would an AG promising to go after a criminal would be considered political hackery ..

Yet the cult elect AG who claim the election was rigged , Conducted Investigation in the family’s of Trans children for child abuse all in the name of Votes …

Clearly there are no mirrors in the homes who defend Trump and Republicans with out question..

Well you do know that will be determined by the success or failure of the lawsuit, not your opinion. .

it wasn't my opinion...Andy McCarthy - former Chief Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York and led the terrorism prosecution against the “Blind Sheikh” (Omar Abdel Rahman) and eleven other jihadists for conducting a war of urban terrorism against the United States that included the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and a plot to bomb New York City landmarks. During is 20-year career as a prosecutor.....

Trump cult

.

you know if you repeat this as often as you do...you start to sound like a cult member yourself :tooth:

Yep your knee deep in the Cult .. someone

For th e100th time Wayne, here's a simple test to see who's in a cult and who thinks for himself.

I think liberals are 100% correct on gay marriage, the death penalty. on insurance covering pre existing conditions, and i think they make SOME good arguments on gun control.

Now, you tell us please, on which big issues you agree with conservatives?

If you can't name a single one, and I can name a few, who does that suggest is the cultist?

For th e100th time Wayne, here's a simple test to see who's in a cult and who thinks for himself.

who does that suggest is the cultist?



the people here who dutifully and mindlessly post every new leftist talking point as gospel, repeat the same words and phrases over and over constantly refer to others as radicalized cult members....:bl:...it's pretty amusing

For th e100th time Wayne, here's a simple test to see who's in a cult and who thinks for himself.

I think liberals are 100% correct on gay marriage, the death penalty. on insurance covering pre existing conditions, and i think they make SOME good arguments on gun control.

Now, you tell us please, on which big issues you agree with conservatives?

If you can't name a single one, and I can name a few, who does that suggest is the cultist?


Keep convincing yourself there’s no Cult

That’s how a cult works

the people here who dutifully and mindlessly post every new leftist talking point as gospel, repeat the same words and phrases over and over constantly refer to others as radicalized cult members....:bl:...it's pretty amusing

From the guy who insist he never says or means anything :deadhorse:

Keep convincing yourself there’s no Cult

That’s how a cult works

Why can't you answer such a simple and relevant question?

Oh, I see the cult just fine. I'm talking to it right now...

Why can't you answer such a simple and relevant question?

..

he can't find the answer on the interweb....

From the guy who insist he never says or means anything :deadhorse:

I never insisted that.....

Keep convincing yourself there’s no Cult

That’s how a cult works

keep saying cult...that's how a cult works

Poor victim
I believe every woman has the right to choose the father of her child. You believe that every rapist has the chance to choose the mother of his.
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Poor victim
I believe every woman has the right to choose the father of her child. You believe that every rapist has the chance to choose the mother of his.
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must be the drugs kicking in,,,,good job pete

Poor victim
I believe every woman has the right to choose the father of her child. You believe that every rapist has the chance to choose the mother of his.
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you like doing research. look up the % of abortions that are done as a result of rape. it’s pretty small. So you’re dodging the real issue and fixating in the rare exception, which does need to be addressed, but it’s not the focal point. Not unless one is trying to dodge the real issue, which is clearly what you’re doing here.

I’d be ok with laws allowing abortion in the case of rape. So we don’t know who you’re responding to, but you’re not responding to anything i ever said. As is often the case

When you have to resort to responding to the gs that weren’t said, that suggests even you know you can’t respond to things that were actually said, but you’re too small to admit it. Like wdmso can’t tell us what issues he thinks the left is wrong on, but he accuses everyone but himself of being in a cult.

Here’s the data. the top
reasons for abortion by far, have nothing to do with rape. I can’t afford it, need to do concentrate on my other kids, not sure about my partner ( i love that one), would be too intrusive in my life, blah blah blah.

All code for, “it’s too inconvenient for me.”. Adoption also is a solution for those reasons, but it requires having a little bit of empathy and not being so self centered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3729671/

you like doing research. look up the % of abortions that are done as a result of rape. it’s pretty small. So you’re dodging the real issue and fixating in the rare exception, which does need to be addressed, but it’s not the focal point. Not unless one is trying to dodge the real issue, which is clearly what you’re doing here.

I’d be ok with laws allowing abortion in the case of rape. So we don’t know who you’re responding to, but you’re not responding to anything i ever said. As is often the case

When you have to resort to responding to the gs that weren’t said, that suggests even you know you can’t respond to things that were actually said, but you’re too small to admit it. Like wdmso can’t tell us what issues he thinks the left is wrong on, but he accuses everyone but himself of being in a cult.

Here’s the data. the top
reasons for abortion by far, have nothing to do with rape. I can’t afford it, need to do concentrate on my other kids, not sure about my partner ( i love that one), would be too intrusive in my life, blah blah blah.

All code for, “it’s too inconvenient for me.”. Adoption also is a solution for those reasons, but it requires having a little bit of empathy and not being so self centered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3729671/

Poor victim

There is a term for creatures that are not allowed to control their own reproduction

LIVESTOCK
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Poor victim

There is a term for creatures that are not allowed to control their own reproduction

LIVESTOCK
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So do you oppose laws which prohibit female teachers from reproducing with underage male students? After all, you just said it's wrong to not allow women "to control their own reproduction". Have fun getting out of that corner that you backed yourself into.

Pete. everyone thinks women can do what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You believe that, so do I. That necessarily means, that as far as women's rights go, we completely agree.

The only point of disagreement, is whether or not the baby constitutes "someone else". Womens rights has nothing to do with this, the status of the baby has everything to do with it. Yet you (and the entire pro abortion movement) spend 100% of your time on a demonstrably false rant about womens rights, when you and I agree completely on womens rights.

Once again, you can't respond to what I'm saying, so you respond to a false argument. You're framing it dishonestly, because you know that if it's framed honestly, your position looks ugly.

Don't talk to me about womens rights. Tell me why the baby isn't a human being. That's the argument, the only relevant argument.

So do you oppose laws which prohibit female teachers from reproducing with underage male students? After all, you just said it's wrong to not allow women "to control their own reproduction". Have fun getting out of that corner that you backed yourself into.

Pete. everyone thinks women can do what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You believe that, so do I. That necessarily means, that as far as women's rights go, we completely agree.

The only point of disagreement, is whether or not the baby constitutes "someone else". Womens rights has nothing to do with this, the status of the baby has everything to do with it. Yet you (and the entire pro abortion movement) spend 100% of your time on a demonstrably false rant about womens rights, when you and I agree completely on womens rights.

Once again, you can't respond to what I'm saying, so you respond to a false argument. You're framing it dishonestly, because you know that if it's framed honestly, your position looks ugly.

Don't talk to me about womens rights. Tell me why the baby isn't a human being. That's the argument, the only relevant argument.

You’re wrong

Most Americans agree that the results of the Republican abortion ban will be horrific in many ways.

Roevember is coming
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You’re wrong

Most Americans agree that the results of the Republican abortion ban will be horrific in many ways.

Roevember is coming
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Saying "you're wrong" doesn't make me wrong.

One's stance on abortion doesn't depend on your view of women's rights (because we all agree a woman can do whatever she likes as long as she doesn't harm someone else). One's stance on abortion only depends on their view of the status of the baby..

I completely agree that Roe will help the Democrats in November. Because most Americans don't view the baby as a human being.

Your side frames pro life as being opposed to womens righhts. Obviously it's not, or you wouldn't see so many women who are pro life.

Your side does this on every single issue. If you want a secure border, you're a xenophobe. If you believe a Christian baker has the same religious freedom as anyone else, you're a homophobe. The framing is politically brilliant and very effective, but not based in facts.

Well well well.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/09/22/florida-migrant-flight-money-went-company-tied-desantis-adviser/
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Well well well.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/09/22/florida-migrant-flight-money-went-company-tied-desantis-adviser/
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You can’t post that kind of Stuff..

He’s Ron Desantis Americas governor. See attached it’s not cultists at all.. it’s perfectly normal 81,139 Covid Deaths but let’s own libs with a T shirt.

I’m sorry. I know the sensitives will be offended by the truth.
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I read this on another news site.

This about sums it up..


Rs are not actually interested in public opinion or responding to the will of the majority. They are interested in providing psychological cover for their cultish followers, allowing them to retain the fantasy that they are not in fact a small minority opinion in the country.
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I read this on another news site.

This about sums it up..


Rs are not actually interested in public opinion or responding to the will of the majority. They are interested in providing psychological cover for their cultish followers, allowing them to retain the fantasy that they are not in fact a small minority opinion in the country.
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That is so accurate and insightful.

News Site

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What's the meaning of sanctuary city?
In general, a sanctuary city is a community with a policy, written or unwritten, that discourages local law enforcement from reporting the immigration status of individuals unless it involves investigation of a serious crime. These sanctuary communities go beyond cities,

More info for those who say sanctuary cities a lot. But have no idea what it means

Basically they will not do the federal government’s job . When it comes to immigration laws.. yet they will still arrest and conduct prosecution of migrant if crimes are committed..

News Site

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You don’t believe news stories period regardless of the source :btu:

You don’t believe news stories period regardless of the source :btu:

yes, TDF is the extremist. Not the guy who never ever disagrees with, or criticizes, his own side. a ot the guy who thinks one side walks in water, and the other side is pure evil.

You don’t believe news stories period regardless of the source :btu:

Certainly not when you post them :rolleyes:

Look at that quote you posted, does that look like news? C’mon
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Certainly not when you post them :rolleyes:

Look at that quote you posted, does that look like news? C’mon
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He's actually being generous, because as we all know, the GOP wants to kill everybody and sell their organs on ebay. We're pure evil. Not one single good policy idea. every single good idea comes from the left. This is why all the red states are such a hot mess that everyone is fleeing them to move to blue states. There's not a single suburb in a red state that offers a high quality of life. Not a one.

The problem is that he, as well as a large chunk of the country, considers that kind of Op-Ed crap actual news.
(Queue the MAGA cult insinuations)

This is why we’re so banged up right now.
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The problem is that he, as well as a large chunk of the country, considers that kind of Op-Ed crap actual news.
(Queue the MAGA cult insinuations)

This is why we’re so banged up right now.
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it’s exactly why we’re so banged up right now, 80% of the country believes whatever gibberish comes from
their side without question. And it’s both sides. Both sides care more about winning than about fixing things.

Biden should be careful throwing FEMA money at Ron DeSantis. He has a strong record of misappropriation of funds.
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it’s exactly why we’re so banged up right now, 80% of the country believes whatever gibberish comes from
their side without question. And it’s both sides. Both sides care more about winning than about fixing things.


Ah the both sides nonsense. Yep tds Scott and you Jim are clearly part of that 80% that believes whatever gibberish comes from their side without question :kewl:

But you 3 keep convincing yourself’s of your independence and your ability to recognize Facts from fiction :musc:


Most Republicans still falsely believe Trump’s stolen election
In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don’t think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

Yep both sides

The problem is that he, as well as a large chunk of the country, considers that kind of Op-Ed crap actual news.
(Queue the MAGA cult insinuations)

This is why we’re so banged up right now.
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Most MAGA universe get their news from 5 sources Newsmax OAN. Hannity Tucker , Lura Ingram

All leaders in journalistic excellence ( sarcasm)

Most MAGA universe get their news from 5 sources Newsmax OAN. Hannity Tucker , Lura Ingram

All leaders in journalistic excellence ( sarcasm)

The only thing I go to Newsmax for is reruns of Last Man Standing, other than that, I don’t watch any of them.
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Ah the both sides nonsense. Yep tds Scott and you Jim are clearly part of that 80% that believes whatever gibberish comes from their side without question :kewl:

But you 3 keep convincing yourself’s of your independence and your ability to recognize Facts from fiction :musc:


Most Republicans still falsely believe Trump’s stolen election
In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don’t think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

Yep both sides

i can criticize my side. you can’t. not once, not ever. So tell me who the radical is.

I believe Biden won in 2020. That doesn’t mean i can’t believe the GOP has better policy ideas on crime, the economy, the border, all of which are a hot mess right now after 18 months of liberal control.

You refuse to co cede there are extremists on the left, yet you can’t name a single policy on which you think the left is wrong, and your every post bashed the right and praises the left. Not “most” of your posts. All of them.

How are you not a radical extremist? how would you argue that you’re not a radical extremist ideologue?

i can criticize my side. you can’t. not once, not ever. So tell me who the radical is.

I believe Biden won in 2020. That doesn’t mean i can’t believe the GOP has better policy ideas on crime, the economy, the border, all of which are a hot mess right now after 18 months of liberal control.

You refuse to co cede there are extremists on the left, yet you can’t name a single policy on which you think the left is wrong, and your every post bashed the right and praises the left. Not “most” of your posts. All of them.

How are you not a radical extremist? how would you argue that you’re not a radical extremist ideologue?


Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election.. steal election machine data passing laws to restricting voting based on the lie of voter fraud

Oh wait you already think that has happened .. once again proving you don’t live in reality

Yes Jim there are like 4 members of the Democratic Party who I would consider extremist and have no power

The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…. And once again you are trying to suggest both are somehow the same and you’re willing to vote for there seditious leader

It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..

I’d still take a guy who ask for a dead lady over a party that supports seditious behavior


Here’s a shocker that you would carry this talking point

There was no question that come fall, Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968

Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime,

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democraps never try to scare voters into the democrap column.....

It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..


Does sniffing them count?

Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election.. steal election machine data passing laws to restricting voting based on the lie of voter fraud

Oh wait you already think that has happened .. once again proving you don’t live in reality

Yes Jim there are like 4 members of the Democratic Party who I would consider extremist and have no power

The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…. And once again you are trying to suggest both are somehow the same and you’re willing to vote for there seditious leader

It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..

I’d still take a guy who ask for a dead lady over a party that supports seditious behavior


Here’s a shocker that you would carry this talking point

There was no question that come fall, Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968

"Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election"

Again, in 2016, a small number of congressional democrats tried to do exactly that. That's exactly, precisely what they tried to do.

And I'm sorry, but you painted all republicans as kooks and all liberals as saints long before January 6th.

"The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…."

Says you...and Joy Behar. Sorry, that's not evidence. Even Trump isn't an extremist (not on policy), he advocated successfully for criminal justice reform and that's a liberal policy, not a conservative policy. Marjorie Taylor Green is an extremist and a kook.

On the left, the squad are mirror images of Marjorie Taylor Greene and they have a lot of influence.

"Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968"

Sorry, the democrats control the show and crime is way up, the economy is in a recession by the typical definition, and the border is a catastrophe.

Here's the shocker, you give democrats credit for all that's good and don't blame them for anything that's wrong.

"Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election"

Again, in 2016, a small number of congressional democrats tried to do exactly that. That's exactly, precisely what they tried to do.

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How exactly did they try to overthrow a national election?

How exactly did they try to overthrow a national election?

You tell me, please, exactly what's wrong with the following response...

Trump won in 2016. As a result of their loss, a small number of congressional democrats tried to throw out the election results in a few states which Trump won, when there was no evidence any cheating took place in those states. Their effort failed, it was a flop. But they tried. Democrats in the house of representatives tried to overturn an election, for the sole reason that they didn't win.

It failed obviously. But that's what they tried to do. Biden, to his credit, told them at the time to knock it off. They proceeded with their attempt, and couldn't get NEARLY enough democrats to go along with them.

Some of them are still in Congress.

That's what happened. Just because Wayne hates it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And as well-informed as you are, I have to say I find it hard to believe that you aren't aware this happened.

And then influential democrats were taking full page ads out in the New York Times begging electors not to vote for Trump. Those weren't elected democrats, just crybabies among the general population.

From the following link: "Jackson Lee and her allies argued that widespread voter suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the results. "

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294

How exactly did they try to overthrow a national election?

NEWSWEEK TOP 5 US Rigged Elections

The Wall Street Journal first reported that Gore's team "has been checking into the background of Republican electors with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore."

Beckel insisted afterward he never had plans to try to blackmail electors to collect Gore votes, which he thought the article implied. But in an interview on Fox News on November 17, 2000, Beckel said: "I'm trying to kidnap electors. Whatever it takes." Beckel later explained what the Founders wanted: "The idea was that electors, early on, were to be lobbied."

Pro-Gore websites even started popping up, listing the names and contact information of Republican electors across the country, asking the public to barrage them with demands to vote for Gore and follow the will of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Ru7rrnuKM

You tell me, please, exactly what's wrong with the following response...

Trump won in 2016. As a result of their loss, a small number of congressional democrats tried to throw out the election results in a few states which Trump won, when there was no evidence any cheating took place in those states. Their effort failed, it was a flop. But they tried. Democrats in the house of representatives tried to overturn an election, for the sole reason that they didn't win.



I'm asking a simple question. How did they try to "overthrow a national election"?

o·ver·throw
[overthrow]
VERB
remove forcibly from power:
"military coups which had attempted to overthrow the King"
synonyms:
remove (from office/power) · bring down · bring about the downfall of · topple · bring low · undo · depose · oust · displace · supplant · unseat · subvert · dethrone · disestablish · dissolve · put an end to · defeat · conquer · break up · annihilate

NEWSWEEK TOP 5 US Rigged Elections

The Wall Street Journal first reported that Gore's team "has been checking into the background of Republican electors with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore."

Beckel insisted afterward he never had plans to try to blackmail electors to collect Gore votes, which he thought the article implied. But in an interview on Fox News on November 17, 2000, Beckel said: "I'm trying to kidnap electors. Whatever it takes." Beckel later explained what the Founders wanted: "The idea was that electors, early on, were to be lobbied."

Pro-Gore websites even started popping up, listing the names and contact information of Republican electors across the country, asking the public to barrage them with demands to vote for Gore and follow the will of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Ru7rrnuKM

It's OK when they do it Scott.

Nobody likes losing, and I hate it as much as anyone. But every single politically-motivated riot from the last 50 years was waged by democrats until January 6th, so I don't like getting lectured about civility from the folks that burned cities down in the summer of 2020 which was infinitely more deadly and destructive than January 6th.

Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election..

You may want to make sure Wayne reads this definition too....


I'm asking a simple question. How did they try to "overthrow a national election"?

o·ver·throw
[overthrow]
VERB
remove forcibly from power:
"military coups which had attempted to overthrow the King"
synonyms:
remove (from office/power) · bring down · bring about the downfall of · topple · bring low · undo · depose · oust · displace · supplant · unseat · subvert · dethrone · disestablish · dissolve · put an end to · defeat · conquer · break up · annihilate

Do you ever post anything other an attempt to insult? You're getting to be SD lite.

I'm asking a simple question. How did they try to "overthrow a national election"?

o·ver·throw
[overthrow]
VERB
remove forcibly from power:
"military coups which had attempted to overthrow the King"
synonyms:
remove (from office/power) · bring down · bring about the downfall of · topple · bring low · undo · depose · oust · displace · supplant · unseat · subvert · dethrone · disestablish · dissolve · put an end to · defeat · conquer · break up · annihilate

I responded exactly on point. Trump won in 2016, and a small number of congressional democrats attempted to "bring about his downfall", to "dethrone" him, to "undo" his win, to "oust" him, to "supplant" him with someone else, to "subvert" the results of a fair election.

Trump won in 2016. They tried to un-do his win. They had zero constitutional basis to do do, they just hated that they lost. Is that true, or is that false?

Why is it OK when democrats do it?

Do you ever post anything other an attempt to insult? You're getting to be SD lite.

Why was that an insult? That was sarcasm. Wayne brought the word “Overthrow” into the conversation. Just want to make sure he understands it too.

Just trying to achieve Equity, equal outcome for all
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I responded exactly on point. Trump won in 2016, and a small number of congressional democrats attempted to "bring about his downfall", to "dethrone" him, to "undo" his win, to "oust" him, to "supplant" him with someone else, to "subvert" the results of a fair election.

Trump won in 2016. They tried to un-do his win. They had zero constitutional basis to do do, they just hated that they lost. Is that true, or is that false?

Why is it OK when democrats do it?

How did they attempt to dethrone him or bring about his downfall? By going to court or saying something?

How did they attempt to dethrone him or bring about his downfall? By going to court or saying something?

last time, it’s in the link, they tried to decertify the results in some states that trump won, when they had zero evidence that anything improper happened

you’re all over place. you pasted the definition of overthrow which blew up right in your face as they explicitly satisfied at least a half dozen definitions you provided.

I don’t even know what you’re saying now. But the dems lost in 2016, and some tried to undermine the fair election because they didn’t like the result. They made a proposal in Congress and couldn’t get enough people to get on board. but they tried. They tried to throw out an election result because they lost.

Like talking to a dim witted child.

last time, it’s in the link, they tried to decertify the results in some states that trump won, when they had zero evidence that anything improper happened

you’re all over place. you pasted the definition of overthrow which blew up right in your face as they explicitly satisfied at least a half dozen definitions you provided.

I don’t even know what you’re saying now. But the dems lost in 2016, and some tried to undermine the fair election because they didn’t like the result. They made a proposal in Congress and couldn’t get enough people to get on board. but they tried. They tried to throw out an election result because they lost.

Like talking to a dim witted child.

This is why you have no friends here and I think you are a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

There is Only 1 dim witted child. Who Keeps beating a square peg into a round hole ..

This must be Jim’s sources Dinesh D’Souza, a conservative political commentator, equated the two efforts and said the 2016 bid probably inspired then-President Trump in 2020 to pursue the alternate electors’ route. The scheme has become a focus of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

“I’m chuckling about the fake outrage over Trump seeking alternate electors for the 2020 election,” tweeted D’Souza. He then misleadingly claimed, “The Left and the Democrats were calling for alternate electors after the 2016 election. Trump most likely got the idea FROM THEM.”


In 2016, a small group of Democratic electors pledged to vote for another candidate in the hopes of swaying Republican electors to vote for anyone but Trump.

Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court.

Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii,

Oh the Horror

While the 2016 effort was aimed at influencing duly chosen electors, the 2020 push sought to create lists of electors who would vote for Trump in battleground states that he lost and where the Republicans falsely claimed there had been widespread election irregularities.

Trump challenges to election counts (which included baseless challenges by Sidney Powell, Rudolph Giuliani, and Mike Lindell of MyPillow) were consistently and firmly rejected as unfounded by courts that examined the issue, so the attempt to replace one set of electors with another would have resembled a coup rather than an attempt to remedy electoral irregularities,

did Dems do that? So please keep preaching your revisionist History lessons that only the MAGA Faithful actually think happened

How do you explain this. 70% of Republicans think Trump won

And Nearly 1 in 3 Republican candidates for statewide office support false election claims

But some how I am the Child . For calling out half truths and Republican deeds before during and on going attempts to influence current elections with deceit and misinformation…

Jim it’s not the 30% of Republicans that worries me ..

It’s That 70%! That should scare the 30% of your fellow Republicans. To death because they are coming for them next And that should worry everyone

There is Only 1 dim witted child. Who Keeps beating a square peg into a round hole ..

This must be Jim’s sources Dinesh D’Souza, a conservative political commentator, equated the two efforts and said the 2016 bid probably inspired then-President Trump in 2020 to pursue the alternate electors’ route. The scheme has become a focus of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

“I’m chuckling about the fake outrage over Trump seeking alternate electors for the 2020 election,” tweeted D’Souza. He then misleadingly claimed, “The Left and the Democrats were calling for alternate electors after the 2016 election. Trump most likely got the idea FROM THEM.”


In 2016, a small group of Democratic electors pledged to vote for another candidate in the hopes of swaying Republican electors to vote for anyone but Trump.

Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court.

Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii,

Oh the Horror

While the 2016 effort was aimed at influencing duly chosen electors, the 2020 push sought to create lists of electors who would vote for Trump in battleground states that he lost and where the Republicans falsely claimed there had been widespread election irregularities.

Trump challenges to election counts (which included baseless challenges by Sidney Powell, Rudolph Giuliani, and Mike Lindell of MyPillow) were consistently and firmly rejected as unfounded by courts that examined the issue, so the attempt to replace one set of electors with another would have resembled a coup rather than an attempt to remedy electoral irregularities,

did Dems do that? So please keep preaching your revisionist History lessons that only the MAGA Faithful actually think happened

How do you explain this. 70% of Republicans think Trump won

And Nearly 1 in 3 Republican candidates for statewide office support false election claims

But some how I am the Child . For calling out half truths and Republican deeds before during and on going attempts to influence current elections with deceit and misinformation…

Jim it’s not the 30% of Republicans that worries me ..

It’s That 70%! That should scare the 30% of your fellow Republicans. To death because they are coming for them next And that should worry everyone

except, I've told you 100 times I hate what Trump did. So not one person here, has a clue who or what you're responding to.

Just tell me why I'm wrong when I say that after the 2016 trump win, a small number of democrats in congress tried to steal the election from him? Ignoring me doesn't make me wrong, insulting me doesn't make me wrong. Just explain why I'm wrong?

Add that (explain why I'm wrong?) to a long list of simple questions I've asked you, which you are too scared to answer.

Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii,

Oh the Horror

While the 2016 effort was aimed at influencing duly chosen electors, the 2020 push sought to create lists of electors who would vote for Trump in battleground states that he lost and where the Republicans falsely claimed there had been widespread election irregularities.

Trump challenges to election counts (which included baseless challenges by Sidney Powell, Rudolph Giuliani, and Mike Lindell of MyPillow) were consistently and firmly rejected as unfounded by courts that examined the issue, so the attempt to replace one set of electors with another would have resembled a coup rather than an attempt to remedy electoral irregularities,

did Dems do that? So please keep preaching your revisionist History lessons that only the MAGA Faithful actually think happened

How do you explain this. 70% of Republicans think Trump won

And Nearly 1 in 3 Republican candidates for statewide office support false election claims

But some how I am the Child . For calling out half truths and Republican deeds before during and on going attempts to influence current elections with deceit and misinformation…

Jim it’s not the 30% of Republicans that worries me ..

It’s That 70%! That should scare the 30% of your fellow Republicans. To death because they are coming for them next And that should worry everyone

"Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii,

Oh the Horror "

Since I never, ever brought up this incident in Washington (never heard of it until just now), we have no clue why you brought it up, or what you're responding to. You know full well what I'm referring to.

"How do you explain this. 70% of Republicans think Trump won"

That's easy! They're gullible and/or stupid! When did I ever come close to defending the stupid argument that Biden stole the 2020 election? When have I ever said anything close to that? Again, you're responding to something I never said, because you're even you know you can't respond to what I am actually saying.

You asked, I answered.

I'll give you another chance to show me the same courtesy...why was it OK when a handful of democrats in the US House of Representatives (not talking about Washington State) tried to de-certify Trump 2016 wins in a few states, when there was zero evidence the elections weren't fair in those states?

You ask a question, I answer...

I ask a question, you dodge.

Trump tried to steal 2020, and a few Congressional democrats in Washington DC (which is different from Washington State, in case you didn't know) tried to steal the 2016 election. Both attempts failed. I hate both attempts, you only hate one because you're a thoughtless zombie.

you pasted the definition of overthrow which blew up right in your face as they explicitly satisfied at least a half dozen definitions you provided.


Actually it doesn’t meet any of the definitions, to be overthrown you actually have to be in power at the time. Neither president nor their administrations were in place at those times.

Now Steal the Election would probably be a more Apropos.
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Actually it doesn’t meet any of the definitions, to be overthrown you actually have to be in power at the time. Neither president nor their administrations were in place at those times.

Now Steal the Election would probably be a more Apropos.
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true, but what both parties did do, was try to overturn an election that they lost. Neither side had a legitimate reason to do so, but they were just sore losers. whatever you want to call it, the democrats did it in 2017 and trump/allies did it in 2021. but it’s only problematic when republicans do it.

Actually it doesn’t meet any of the definitions, to be overthrown you actually have to be in power at the time. Neither president nor their administrations were in place at those times.

Now Steal the Election would probably be a more Apropos.
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Your heads not to deep in the sand
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true, but what both parties did do, was try to overturn an election that they lost. Neither side had a legitimate reason to do so, but they were just sore losers. whatever you want to call it, the democrats did it in 2017 and trump/allies did it in 2021. but it’s only problematic when republicans do it.

but what both parties did do, was try to overturn an election

You love your lie don’t you
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Your heads not to deep in the sand
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Please tell me you donated that brain of yours to science, it’s a god damn miracle of science. :rolleyes:
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All the Trumpkins who demanded that Former-President Obama should open up his Martha's Vineyard private home to displaced migrants seem oddly quiet about Former-President Trump opening up his Mar-a-Lago public hotel to his fellow Floridians displaced by Hurricane Ian.
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