I did the math, saw that there are more than 20,000 full
time residents in martha’s vineyard. There are 300m americans. there are 2 million illegals that will be caught and processed this year.

So, if we assume it’s fair that all places take a proportionate share of illegals, that would mean martha’s vineyard should have 133. But they were so unable to provide for 50, they had to bring in the military.

The El Paso sector of the border gets 1,500 a day. Every single day.

And martha’s vineyard is a very wealthy place, yet they couldn’t accommodate 50. So imagine how border towns feel.

I'll go ahead and say it for them...."I can't believe that you are actually and actuarialist" :bl:

I'll go ahead and say it for them...."I can't believe that you are actually and actuarialist" :bl:

actuarialists are a cult, you see.

Shortly before midnight, a deputy press secretary for DeSantis, Jeremy Redfern, tweeted a picture of former president Barack Obama’s home on Martha’s Vineyard: “7 bedrooms with 8 and a half bathrooms in a 6,892-square-foot house on nearly 30 acres. Plenty of space.”

You 2 Keeping convincing yourself your stand of members of society
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Shortly before midnight, a deputy press secretary for DeSantis, Jeremy Redfern, tweeted a picture of former president Barack Obama’s home on Martha’s Vineyard: “7 bedrooms with 8 and a half bathrooms in a 6,892-square-foot house on nearly 30 acres. Plenty of space.”

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i give the gop a big fat F on immigration, so i have no clue what you’re referring to.

But i have a point. If you want an open border, then why is it unfair to expect that martha’s vineyard takes their fair share?

If your side actually believed what they claim to believe, they’d welcome immigrants with open arms. taking selfie’s with them for a day, then calling in the military to ship them off, doesn’t seem consistent with what the left claims to believe.

These people have to live somewhere. Why can’t a proportionate number of them, live in the places that claim to want them?

also, pivoting to a criticism of desantis is “what about-ism”. But it’s ok when you do it!

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this is brilliant....really:claps:

Shortly before midnight, a deputy press secretary for DeSantis, Jeremy Redfern, tweeted a picture of former president Barack Obama’s home on Martha’s Vineyard: “7 bedrooms with 8 and a half bathrooms in a 6,892-square-foot house on nearly 30 acres. Plenty of space.”


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they should raid his home in the middle of the night and arrest this megamagalomaniac....

People smuggler: I get clients to sign a waiver

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62832633


Sounds Familiar

People smuggler: I get clients to sign a waiver

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62832633


Sounds Familiar

but when Biden and the mayor of Chicago and the government of the vineyard ship them off in a plane, THATS ok, because why?

shocker, that once again you post “liberal=good, conservative=bad”.

shocker.

but when Biden and the mayor of Chicago and the government of the vineyard ship them off in a plane, THATS ok, because why?

shocker, that once again you post “liberal=good, conservative=bad”.

shocker.

Yep Jim that’s how it happened

Only you would praise Ron. then be upset when people actually took care of those people . And got them what they needed

Classic republicans you love to suggest they were thrown a life ring

But skip over the part where you you removed the Rope!

Convinced you are great humanitarians
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Yep Jim that’s how it happened

Only you would praise Ron. then be upset when people actually took care of those people . And got them what they needed

Classic republicans you love to suggest they were thrown a life ring

But skip over the part where you you removed the Rope!

Convinced you are great humanitarians
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who took care of them? not the liberals in Chicagonornthe vineyard who couldn’t get rid of them.

Close the stupid border. There’s no argument for kit closing it. For economic reasons, public health reasons, crime, fairness to those waiting in line and obeying the rules, etc

Yep Jim that’s how it happened

Only you would praise Ron. then be upset when people actually took care of those people . And got them what they needed

Classic republicans you love to suggest they were thrown a life ring

But skip over the part where you you removed the Rope!

Convinced you are great humanitarians
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i asked go to justify your claim that i defend trump as an honorable man. please tell me where i ever came close to saying that? or did you make it up and therefore lie?

i asked go to justify your claim that i defend trump as an honorable man

is that even in this thread ? once again you see hyperbole as Truth when someone you see as a liberal says something But when a conservative speaks its always Hyperbole..

And Anyone who votes for Trump is suggesting he's an honorable man ... Why else would someone want a dishonorable Man as POTUS ? its just how I see it



Close the stupid border. There’s no argument for kit closing it. For economic reasons, public health reasons, crime, fairness to those waiting in line and obeying the rules, etc


yep more BS Talking points, the border isn't open its only republicans telling Migrants that it is ... Funny how that works


Meanwhile in FLA“ While DeSantis was flying legal asylum seekers to Martha’s Vineyard, business owners in his state were struggling for workers

We have a massive labor shortage in Florida in basically every industry here. It’s hard to watch willing workers leave your state with tax dollars,” said Jessica Cooper, owner of Sugar Top Farms just outside of Orlando.

The agriculture industry has long relied on foreign labor and visa programs as domestic workers are less reliable and willing to do the physical work. Agriculture is Florida’s second biggest industry behind tourism.

Both industries pay relatively low wages, making it harder to attract workers in a competitive job market. The hospitality and leisure industry pays an average of $20 an hour, while agricultural workers make $18 an hour on average. But for the construction industry, their average wage of $35 an hour isn’t the issue. It’s an aging workforce. The average age of a construction worker is 55 with retirement at 61.

There are more than 670,000 asylum seekers in the United States waiting for their cases to be heard,


yep spread them All over the states which is already happening . labor shortage solved !

But we already know Republicans have no interest in fixing anything its 100% fear 100% of the time that these brown people are stealing your tax dollars and your jobs , voting and replacing replacing you ...

i asked go to justify your claim that i defend trump as an honorable man

is that even in this thread ? once again you see hyperbole as Truth when someone you see as a liberal says something But when a conservative speaks its always Hyperbole..

And Anyone who votes for Trump is suggesting he's an honorable man ... Why else would someone want a dishonorable Man as POTUS ? its just how I see it



Close the stupid border. There’s no argument for kit closing it. For economic reasons, public health reasons, crime, fairness to those waiting in line and obeying the rules, etc


yep more BS Talking points, the border isn't open its only republicans telling Migrants that it is ... Funny how that works


Meanwhile in FLA“ While DeSantis was flying legal asylum seekers to Martha’s Vineyard, business owners in his state were struggling for workers

We have a massive labor shortage in Florida in basically every industry here. It’s hard to watch willing workers leave your state with tax dollars,” said Jessica Cooper, owner of Sugar Top Farms just outside of Orlando.

The agriculture industry has long relied on foreign labor and visa programs as domestic workers are less reliable and willing to do the physical work. Agriculture is Florida’s second biggest industry behind tourism.

Both industries pay relatively low wages, making it harder to attract workers in a competitive job market. The hospitality and leisure industry pays an average of $20 an hour, while agricultural workers make $18 an hour on average. But for the construction industry, their average wage of $35 an hour isn’t the issue. It’s an aging workforce. The average age of a construction worker is 55 with retirement at 61.

There are more than 670,000 asylum seekers in the United States waiting for their cases to be heard,


yep spread them All over the states which is already happening . labor shortage solved !

But we already know Republicans have no interest in fixing anything its 100% fear 100% of the time that these brown people are stealing your tax dollars and your jobs , voting and replacing replacing you ...

"s that even in this thread ?"

It was somewhere in the last 2 days, you said that I defend Trump as an honorable man.

Either support that, or admit you lied.

"And Anyone who votes for Trump is suggesting he's an honorable man"

WRONG. Stupidly wrong. I voted for Trump not because I think he's a good man, but because i think the policies he advocates for, are better for the country, than the policies his opponent advocates for. It has nothing to do with my view of him as a person.

If the office was called "role model in chief", then the candidates personal ethics would be most important. I want a president who will grow the economy and keep taxes low and kill terrorists. I don't especially care if he cheats on his wife or is vulgar.

You voted for Hilary, youre saying she's an honorable person? It's honorable to lie about coming under sniper fire on a foreign visit when video footage shows it never happened? It's honorable to marry a serial predator of women, to lie to protect him (she claimed the GOP was framing him), and to slut-shame his victims on national TV? That's honorable?

I think Bill Clinton was a good president. Doesn't mean I think he's honorable. Hes a very sick individual, and corrupt to his core. But he was a good president.

"here are more than 670,000 asylum seekers in the United States waiting for their cases to be heard,"

And they need to live somewhere and be fed, while they wait. The wealthy liberals on the Vineyard wanted no part of that.


"Not in my backyard".

And got them what they needed

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Yeah, the f#%! off the island

And they need to live somewhere and be fed, while they wait. The wealthy liberals on the Vineyard wanted no part of that.


"Not in my backyard".

MV welcomed them and then sent then to another place in the state that was better equipped to take care of them.

Let's compare that to the cons. states. They lied to asylum seekers by printing up a brochure full of lies and then telling them they would be given benefits in Mass. which were not available to them. They had them sign legal documents which I am sure the asylum seekers did not understand, they did not warn the small island that a plane load of asylum seekers was coming (even though NYC Mayor Adams had reached out to TX to ask if they can coordinate to cause less pain to immigrants - which Tx refused to do).

And somehow you are spending weeks trying to twist that to somehow show that "liberal" MV didn't want them.

What a bizzarro world we are living in,

Yeah, the f#%! off the island


keep it up :faga::deadhorse:

"s that even in this thread ?"

It was somewhere in the last 2 days, you said that I defend Trump as an honorable man.

Either support that, or admit you lied.

"And Anyone who votes for Trump is suggesting he's an honorable man"

WRONG. Stupidly wrong. I voted for Trump not because I think he's a good man, but because i think the policies he advocates for, are better for the country, than the policies his opponent advocates for. It has nothing to do with my view of him as a person.

If the office was called "role model in chief", then the candidates personal ethics would be most important. I want a president who will grow the economy and keep taxes low and kill terrorists. I don't especially care if he cheats on his wife or is vulgar.

You voted for Hilary, youre saying she's an honorable person? It's honorable to lie about coming under sniper fire on a foreign visit when video footage shows it never happened? It's honorable to marry a serial predator of women, to lie to protect him (she claimed the GOP was framing him), and to slut-shame his victims on national TV? That's honorable?

I think Bill Clinton was a good president. Doesn't mean I think he's honorable. Hes a very sick individual, and corrupt to his core. But he was a good president.

"here are more than 670,000 asylum seekers in the United States waiting for their cases to be heard,"

And they need to live somewhere and be fed, while they wait. The wealthy liberals on the Vineyard wanted no part of that.


"Not in my backyard".


If the office was called "role model in chief", then the candidates personal ethics would be most important. I want a president who will grow the economy and keep taxes low and kill terrorists. I don't especially care if he cheats on his wife or is vulgar.


or trys to steal an election lies 24x7 cheats on his taxes and supports seditions


Twist it anyway you want .... you cant was his stink off your hands :faga:


Jim you really need to read up on what being Honorable , having ethics and integrity actual means as well as your definitions of corruption .... your dismissal of these virtues as a core standard of elected office is a Big problem in todays right wing universe

that why your party love Orban and the New PM of Italy Giorgia Meloni both Stars of CPAC Fox and others right wing stations are pushing hard to are referring to them as Conservatives ...Tucker Carlson gives passionate endorsement of Italian politician Giorgia Meloni
Carlson: “Ask yourself if you would vote for a candidate like this if you had the chance in our country”

Brothers of Italy,” a party look them up

I swear you still think todays republican party is the party of Reagan

keep it up :faga::deadhorse:

Will Do :kewl:
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I swear you still think todays republican party is the party of Reagan



technically...it is...

being Honorable, ethics and integrity actual means as well as your definitions of corruption .... your dismissal of these virtues as a core standard of elected office is a Big problem in todays right wing universe



good grief....:rolleyes:

MV welcomed them and then sent then to another place in the state that was better equipped to take care of them.

Let's compare that to the cons. states. They lied to asylum seekers by printing up a brochure full of lies and then telling them they would be given benefits in Mass. which were not available to them. They had them sign legal documents which I am sure the asylum seekers did not understand, they did not warn the small island that a plane load of asylum seekers was coming (even though NYC Mayor Adams had reached out to TX to ask if they can coordinate to cause less pain to immigrants - which Tx refused to do).

And somehow you are spending weeks trying to twist that to somehow show that "liberal" MV didn't want them.

What a bizzarro world we are living in,

they welcomed them for two days paul. then got them
out of sight.

lightfoot did the same thing in chicago, shipped them off elsewhere

MV welcomed them and then sent then to another place in the state that was better equipped to take care of them.

Let's compare that to the cons. states. They lied to asylum seekers by printing up a brochure full of lies and then telling them they would be given benefits in Mass. which were not available to them. They had them sign legal documents which I am sure the asylum seekers did not understand, they did not warn the small island that a plane load of asylum seekers was coming (even though NYC Mayor Adams had reached out to TX to ask if they can coordinate to cause less pain to immigrants - which Tx refused to do).

And somehow you are spending weeks trying to twist that to somehow show that "liberal" MV didn't want them.

What a bizzarro world we are living in,

has it been established they were deceived with a brochure? or is that an accusation?

they’re criminals who have no right to be here. if liberals want them, they have a funny way of showing it.

they welcomed them for two days paul. then got them
out of sight.

lightfoot did the same thing in chicago, shipped them off elsewhere

They were sent to a place which could handle them not shipped off to an island where the intent was to cause as much harm as possible.

Actually they’re not criminals, if you don’t like the laws, you can try and change them.

If they really wanted to harm them, they could have sent them to a Republican state.
They’d have had a better than even odds of sending them to one of the poorest with the worst healthcare, least educational opportunities and highest crime rates.
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They were sent to a place which could handle them not shipped off to an island where the intent was to cause as much harm as possible.

why can’t martha’s vineyard handle 50 out of the 2 million we get this year?

If a community isn’t prepared to keep any, it’s kind of meaningless, empty virtue-signaling to oppose wall. Isnt it?

Chicago couldn’t keep the ones that Abbott sent?

Paul these are minuscule numbers compared to what they see at the border.

Why would sending them to the vineyard, “cause as much harm as possible?”. what harm befell them in the 48 hours they were there? Did they get injured while sailing or fox hunting with the locals? Did they all get “striper thumb”?

Despite all the self-congratulatory virtue signaling to the contrary, the elites on the Vineyard didn't want these people. So they shipped them off. Lightfoot did the same exact thing.

These people have to live somewhere if we let them stay.

has it been established they were deceived with a brochure? or is that an accusation?

they’re criminals who have no right to be here. if liberals want them, they have a funny way of showing it.

Yes, they had a brochure which was full of lies.

See the problem is that you are wrong. They are not criminals.

Why would sending them to the vineyard, “cause as much harm as possible?”how is it not harmful sending someone who has a immigration hearing in Seattle (I believe it was) to MV?. what harm befell them in the 48 hours they were there? Did they get injured while sailing or fox hunting with the locals? Did they all get “striper thumb”?Nice demonstration of compassion.
.

The cons. states could have easily shown a little compassion to them by informing the cities they were being shipped there so the cities could be ready. But when NYC mayor Adams reached out to TX to discuss being informed, TX refused to tell him bc they showed their true colors by trying to cause as much pain and confusion as they could. It is just another demonstration how cons. states have no compassion for the less fortunate.

Yes, they had a brochure which was full of lies.

See the problem is that you are wrong. They are not criminals.

do we know if they were given a brochure by the state? or is that what cnn says? is the state of FL conceding that point?

The cons. states could have easily shown a little compassion to them by informing the cities they were being shipped there so the cities could be ready. But when NYC mayor Adams reached out to TX to discuss being informed, TX refused to tell him bc they showed their true colors by trying to cause as much pain and confusion as they could. It is just another demonstration how cons. states have no compassion for the less fortunate.

is it equally bad when democrats dump
illegals without telling the destination to get ready? or only bad when republicans do it?

El Paso gets 1,500 illegals a day, and blue states expect El Paso to shut up and like it. The millionaires in the vineyard can’t take 50?

from yahoo, a very liberal news outlet…andrew not a peep from the high and mighty.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-dumping-illegal-migrants-around-114500037.html

The cons. states could have easily shown a little compassion to them by informing the cities they were being shipped there so the cities could be ready. But when NYC mayor Adams reached out to TX to discuss being informed, TX refused to tell him bc they showed their true colors by trying to cause as much pain and confusion as they could. It is just another demonstration how cons. states have no compassion for the less fortunate.

paul it’s very very easy to pat yourself in the back for being compassionate. The vineyard had a chance to put their money where their mouths are, and they showed their true colors.

paul it’s very very easy to pat yourself in the back for being compassionate. no one is patting their own back just laughing at the cons. states whose true color is coming out by demonstrating their lack of compassion. Let's not forget who started the thread (one of multiple threads on the same subject)The vineyard had a chance to put their money where their mouths are, and they showed their true colors.
What a joke. They got the immigrants the help they needed. The cons. states repeatedly LIED to them and then shipped them off and REFUSED outreach to make it easier for the immigrants by informing the cities when they were coming.

Why didn't they respond to Adams?
Why ship people to MV when they had immigration meetings across the country?

paul it’s very very easy to pat yourself in the back for being compassionate. The vineyard had a chance to put their money where their mouths are, and they showed their true colors.


The only True colors shown . We’re yours and those you support..

Disgusting colors still afraid to admit it was a stunt afraid to admit they played those people. And afraid to admit that MV and the state of Massachusetts took care of those people with dignity and compassion .

Something you and your party has forsaken.
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The only True colors shown . We’re yours and those you support..

Disgusting colors still afraid to admit it was a stunt afraid to admit they played those people. And afraid to admit that MV and the state of Massachusetts took care of those people with dignity and compassion .

Something you and your party has forsaken.
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I said from day one it was a politically-motivated stunt. That doesn't mean it's invalid. The southern states are being pulverized by Washington's refusal to secure our border. The people living there pay taxes, and have the right to expect better.

MV took care of them? For 2 days? Let's give them all the Nobel Peace Prize.

This is a winning issue for the right. Americans don't like open borders, for the same exact reason that you don't leave your door open at night.

Probably one of the damn lib law officers

A Texas sheriff has certified that the migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard by Ron DeSantis were victims of a crime and qualified them for a special visa that they would not have otherwise been eligible for.
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Probably one of the damn lib law officers

A Texas sheriff has certified that the migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard by Ron DeSantis were victims of a crime and qualified them for a special visa that they would not have otherwise been eligible for.
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why not make up
a fake quote while you’re at it?

why not make up
a fake quote while you’re at it?

Poor victim, still sitting in the low chair?
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Poor victim, still sitting in the low chair?
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you make up a quote, try to pass it off as authentic, and i’m the one with the character flaw!!

you make up a quote, try to pass it off as authentic, and i’m the one with the character flaw!!

You consistently report misinformation as truth.
Satire consistently goes over your head.

Here’s something for you to think about

Greene: Biden’s 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, your jobs, and your kids in school. Coming from all over the world, they’re also replacing your culture
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You consistently report misinformation as truth.

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not as often as you are completely wrong....

not as often as you are completely wrong....

That’s your opinion

On the other hand, if you only post asinine snips you’re a troll
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You consistently report misinformation as truth.
Satire consistently goes over your head.

Here’s something for you to think about

Greene: Biden’s 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, your jobs, and your kids in school. Coming from all over the world, they’re also replacing your culture
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You didn't post that as satire, you had it in quotes, with no indication that it was satire.

"Greene: Biden’s 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, your jobs, and your kids in school. Coming from all over the world, they’re also replacing your culture"

She's not completely wrong there. Assuming that was an actual quote...

Americans don't want open borders. This is a losing issue for the left, like the Roe decision is a losing issue for the right.

You didn't post that as satire, you had it in quotes, with no indication that it was satire.



he confuses himself often...

The committee focused on Trump falsely declaring victory on election night, which they cast as part of a premeditated plan.

They played taped testimony from Greg Jacob, a top aide to Vice President Mike Pence, saying that Pence’s aides discussed how to deal with that possibility. The committee also shared an email to White House aides dated Oct. 31 from Tom Fitton, head of the conservative group Judicial Watch. Fitton suggested Trump should claim that ballots “counted by the Election Day deadline” showed he won. Fitton sent another email on Nov. 3, saying he had spoken with Trump about this.


For Jim and Scott this did happen either. Or if it did they don’t care
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You didn't post that as satire, you had it in quotes, with no indication that it was satire.

"Greene: Biden’s 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, your jobs, and your kids in school. Coming from all over the world, they’re also replacing your culture"

She's not completely wrong there. Assuming that was an actual quote...

Americans don't want open borders. This is a losing issue for the left, like the Roe decision is a losing issue for the right.

There’s video

As far as her statement it’s white nationalist Great Replacement boogeyman BS. It's dangerous and it should be called out, because it regularly appears in mass shooting manifestos.

Fascists use it to scare people -- there's no better way to control people than with fear.

No immigrant has taken your job. If you were laid off, it would be by a capitalist who required cheap labor and took advantage of that immigrant to increase his profits, and nothing makes him happier than to hear you blame the immigrant and not him.
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The committee focused on Trump falsely declaring victory on election night, which they cast as part of a premeditated plan.

They played taped testimony from Greg Jacob, a top aide to Vice President Mike Pence, saying that Pence’s aides discussed how to deal with that possibility. The committee also shared an email to White House aides dated Oct. 31 from Tom Fitton, head of the conservative group Judicial Watch. Fitton suggested Trump should claim that ballots “counted by the Election Day deadline” showed he won. Fitton sent another email on Nov. 3, saying he had spoken with Trump about this.


For Jim and Scott this did happen either. Or if it did they don’t care
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maybe you and Fetterman had the same stroke? i hate what Trump did, i’ve said it 10,000 times. Yet because you can never admit anyone on your side is flawed, you assume i suffer from that same blindness, when clearly i don’t.

I hope the committee nails trump and he never runs again. What about that don’t you understand?

Now, if he were to run again and be the gop nominee, i’d probably vote for him over and conceivable democrat candidate. Because i am convinced his policy ideas are far superior for the 300 million people living here

He clobbered your unbeatable candidate in 2016, did it by giving you all the finger every chance he could, then he did the unthinkable and got Roe overturned, for which you should be grateful ( it won’t drastically reduce access to abortion and yet it’s a political win for democrats), instead it made you even more deranged with hate. You talk about trump ten times more than you talk about the current president.

Fascists use it to scare people -- there's no better way to control people than with fear.

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sounds like every political ad for every democrap right now....

Has anyone else notice the republican’s are not campaigning on their own platform but are only attacking Biden and Harris.
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sounds like every political ad for every democrap right now....

EXACTLY. Any criticism of the current administration is hate-filled, racist, violent, insurrectionist MAGA nonsense.

When a republican is president, all of a sudden dissent is patriotic. When a democrat is in the white house, dissent is loathsome. That's a very convenient standard for democrats.

Hey, Seniors! This is REAL…

President Biden & the Democrats just got you a nearly 9% raise for 2023!

While on the flip side, you've got the Republican Party that want to gut Social Security.

Vote accordingly.
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Hey, Seniors! This is REAL…

President Biden & the Democrats just got you a nearly 9% raise for 2023!

While on the flip side, you've got the Republican Party that want to gut Social Security.

Vote accordingly.
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Who wants to gut SS, exactly?

How about a fake quote from Greene, saying the GOP wants to kill all seniors and sell their stuff on ebay?

Can you tell us where the money is coming from, for that 9% raise? Because SS is operating deficits as it is.

Who wants to gut SS, exactly?

How about a fake quote from Greene, saying the GOP wants to kill all seniors and sell their stuff on ebay?

Can you tell us where the money is coming from, for that 9% raise? Because SS is operating deficits as it is.

If the Social Security Expansion Act had been enacted last year, Elon Musk would have paid $2.9 billion more in taxes, seniors would have received $2,400 more in benefits and Social Security would be solvent for more than 75 years.
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Hey, Seniors! This is REAL…

President Biden & the Democrats just got you a nearly 9% raise for 2023!

While on the flip side, you've got the Republican Party that want to gut Social Security.

Vote accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

Fascists use it to scare people -- there's no better way to control people than with fear.

Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

Fascists use it to scare people -- there's no better way to control people than with fear.

I see you didn't get the memo...it's not fear mongering when they do it.

Who wants to gut SS, exactly?

How about a fake quote from Greene, saying the GOP wants to kill all seniors and sell their stuff on ebay?

Can you tell us where the money is coming from, for that 9% raise? Because SS is operating deficits as it is.

Here is some fear mongering:


Senator Ron Johnson said on a radio show this month that Social Security and Medicare shouldn’t be “mandatory” programs and should be subject to yearly renewal decisions in Congress.

And he’s one of many Republican candidates touching the “third rail” of American politics and calling for cuts to long-term Social Security, against Democratic objections, per NBC News.

Mandela Barnes, Johnson’s Democratic opponent, accused him of “want[ing] to strip seniors of the benefits they’ve worked their entire lives for.”


Blake Masters, a Republican candidate for Senate from Arizona, offered the “fresh and innovative idea” to “privatize Social Security” during a speech at a fiscal conservative forum this June. He later recanted that idea, but Democrats showcased footage of those comments in TV ads asking voters to “say no” to Masters.

In February, Senate Republican campaign chair Rick Scott (R–Fla.) published “An 11-Point Plan to Rescue America,” which included a call to sunset “all federal legislation” in five years unless Congress opts to pass that legislation again.


And:

Bloomberg’s Jack Fitzpatrick interviewed several Republican contenders to lead the House Budget Committee. They all said, with varying levels of specificity, that they plan to instigate a debt-ceiling standoff to force Biden to accept cuts to retirement and health-care programs. “Our main focus has got to be on nondiscretionary — it’s got to be on entitlements,” said Representative Buddy Carter. Representative Jodey Arrington said he wants “eligibility reforms,” which means raising the eligibility age and imposing a means test for Social Security and Medicare benefits. “We should ensure that we keep the promises that were made to the people who really need it, the people who are relying on it,” said Representative Lloyd Smucker. “So some sort of means-testing potentially would help to ensure that we can do that.”

It might seem strange that Republicans would be pivoting to a more aggressive agenda without holding the White House. But this is actually consistent with the strategy they have followed over the past three decades. Republicans are committed to scaling back the safety net. But they realize this agenda is toxically unpopular — even less popular than defunding the police, a policy Democrats have repudiated en masse.

They could try to accomplish this through compromise — the previous two Democratic presidents showed some willingness to trade social-spending cuts for higher taxes on the rich. But higher taxes on the rich are completely verboten in the GOP. And so their strategy is to force Democratic presidents to sign spending cuts into law against their will.

The 1995–96 Republican Congress instigated a series of government shutdowns in the belief they could force Bill Clinton to accept cuts to taxes and social programs. This crusade blew up in their faces and helped Clinton win reelection. But rather than abandon it, they tried it again under Barack Obama, this time using the debt ceiling as the hostage of choice. That, too, failed.

But the Republican plan is to try it again with Biden. They are already floating their message: The Republicans will insist they won’t raise the debt ceiling unless Biden agrees to Republican-designed spending cuts, and they will blame him for the global meltdown if he refuses their demands. “If Republicans are trying to cut spending, surely he wouldn’t try to default,” said Representative Jason Smith, the prospective chair of the House Ways and Means Committee.

And while this tactic has never worked before, it has the theoretical attraction of evading the public’s deep aversion to the GOP policy agenda by extorting the Democrats into endorsing it.

Last June, the Republican Study Committee, a conservative caucus that includes more than three-quarters of the House Republicans, released a sweeping domestic-budget plan. It received little attention in the mainstream media. The plan, notes Fitzpatrick, would

gradually raise the Medicare age of eligibility to 67 and the Social Security eligibility to 70 before indexing both to life expectancy. It backed withholding payments to those who retired early and had earnings over a certain limit. And it endorsed the consideration of options to reduce payroll taxes that fund Social Security and redirect them to private alternatives. It also urged lawmakers to “phase-in an increase in means testing” for Medicare.

On top of partially cutting Medicare and Social Security and partially privatizing the latter, the RSC plan would implement various regressive tax cuts favored by the GOP.

Greene: Biden’s 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, your jobs, and your kids in school. Coming from all over the world, they’re also replacing your culture
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Here is a good quote from one of the basket of deplorables Greene:

No matter what you think of Alex Jones all he did was speak words,” she tweeted yesterday after the verdict was announced. “He was not the one who pulled the trigger. Were his words wrong and did he apologize? Yes. That’s what freedom of speech is. Freedom to speak words. Political persecution must end.”

Here is some fear mongering:


Senator Ron Johnson said on a radio show this month that Social Security and Medicare shouldn’t be “mandatory” programs and should be subject to yearly renewal decisions in Congress.

And he’s one of many Republican candidates touching the “third rail” of American politics and calling for cuts to long-term Social Security, against Democratic objections, per NBC News.

Mandela Barnes, Johnson’s Democratic opponent, accused him of “want[ing] to strip seniors of the benefits they’ve worked their entire lives for.”


Blake Masters, a Republican candidate for Senate from Arizona, offered the “fresh and innovative idea” to “privatize Social Security” during a speech at a fiscal conservative forum this June. He later recanted that idea, but Democrats showcased footage of those comments in TV ads asking voters to “say no” to Masters.

In February, Senate Republican campaign chair Rick Scott (R–Fla.) published “An 11-Point Plan to Rescue America,” which included a call to sunset “all federal legislation” in five years unless Congress opts to pass that legislation again.


And:

Bloomberg’s Jack Fitzpatrick interviewed several Republican contenders to lead the House Budget Committee. They all said, with varying levels of specificity, that they plan to instigate a debt-ceiling standoff to force Biden to accept cuts to retirement and health-care programs. “Our main focus has got to be on nondiscretionary — it’s got to be on entitlements,” said Representative Buddy Carter. Representative Jodey Arrington said he wants “eligibility reforms,” which means raising the eligibility age and imposing a means test for Social Security and Medicare benefits. “We should ensure that we keep the promises that were made to the people who really need it, the people who are relying on it,” said Representative Lloyd Smucker. “So some sort of means-testing potentially would help to ensure that we can do that.”

It might seem strange that Republicans would be pivoting to a more aggressive agenda without holding the White House. But this is actually consistent with the strategy they have followed over the past three decades. Republicans are committed to scaling back the safety net. But they realize this agenda is toxically unpopular — even less popular than defunding the police, a policy Democrats have repudiated en masse.

They could try to accomplish this through compromise — the previous two Democratic presidents showed some willingness to trade social-spending cuts for higher taxes on the rich. But higher taxes on the rich are completely verboten in the GOP. And so their strategy is to force Democratic presidents to sign spending cuts into law against their will.

The 1995–96 Republican Congress instigated a series of government shutdowns in the belief they could force Bill Clinton to accept cuts to taxes and social programs. This crusade blew up in their faces and helped Clinton win reelection. But rather than abandon it, they tried it again under Barack Obama, this time using the debt ceiling as the hostage of choice. That, too, failed.

But the Republican plan is to try it again with Biden. They are already floating their message: The Republicans will insist they won’t raise the debt ceiling unless Biden agrees to Republican-designed spending cuts, and they will blame him for the global meltdown if he refuses their demands. “If Republicans are trying to cut spending, surely he wouldn’t try to default,” said Representative Jason Smith, the prospective chair of the House Ways and Means Committee.

And while this tactic has never worked before, it has the theoretical attraction of evading the public’s deep aversion to the GOP policy agenda by extorting the Democrats into endorsing it.

Last June, the Republican Study Committee, a conservative caucus that includes more than three-quarters of the House Republicans, released a sweeping domestic-budget plan. It received little attention in the mainstream media. The plan, notes Fitzpatrick, would

gradually raise the Medicare age of eligibility to 67 and the Social Security eligibility to 70 before indexing both to life expectancy. It backed withholding payments to those who retired early and had earnings over a certain limit. And it endorsed the consideration of options to reduce payroll taxes that fund Social Security and redirect them to private alternatives. It also urged lawmakers to “phase-in an increase in means testing” for Medicare.

On top of partially cutting Medicare and Social Security and partially privatizing the latter, the RSC plan would implement various regressive tax cuts favored by the GOP.

"Senator Ron Johnson said on a radio show this month that Social Security and Medicare shouldn’t be “mandatory” programs and should be subject to yearly renewal decisions in Congress."

Oh, that's fear mongering! Then why are public teachers allowed to not take part in Social Security? As always, it's ok when liberals benefit from participation being voluntary, but you say it's fear mongering when a Republican suggests it.

"Mandela Barnes, Johnson’s Democratic opponent, accused him of “want[ing] to strip seniors of the benefits they’ve worked their entire lives for.”"

Nowhere in your quote attributed to Johnson, did he come close to saying he'd take away benefits that people paid for.

You want to see a lying fear monger? Look in the mirror.

SS and Medicare are programs where current benefits are paid for, by people currently contributing. Which necessarily means benefits for todays younger people are NOT funded by their own contributions, but rather rely on future contributions of future participants.

There's a term for that kind of structure. It's called a Ponzi scheme. I'm not saying SS and Medicare were set up to defraud anyone, but they are nonetheless ponzi schemes. Ponzi schemes don't usually end well for people who come along later, the math is especially unfavorable to generations after the baby boomers.

If I could opt out of SS today (meaning I'd walk away from everything I've ever contributed, never see any benefit, never pay another cent in SS taxes, let the feds keep the taxes I've paid so far), Id jump at the chance. I'd be crazy not to do so. This is precisely why teachers bought their way out of it, because it stinks.

Are you telling us you'd rather pay into SS for 45 years, instead of being able to privatize your contributions, and invest them yourself? You gong to say that with a straight face? You wouldn't be way better off putting that money into an age-indexed mutual fund?

Why do teachers deserve the benefit of not being dragged into it? Why is their well being more important than everyone elses?

"Senator Ron Johnson said on a radio show this month that Social Security and Medicare shouldn’t be “mandatory” programs and should be subject to yearly renewal decisions in Congress."

Oh, that's fear mongering! Then why are public teachers allowed to not take part in Social Security? As always, it's ok when liberals benefit from participation being voluntary, but you say it's fear mongering when a Republican suggests it.

Yes it is fear mongering. If you want to discuss public teachers start another thread.

You seem to not remember the statement you made about SS so I'll repost it for you.

"Who wants to gut SS, exactly?"

You want to see a lying fear monger? Look in the mirror.



Ok douche bag. Is it a wonder you have no friends.

Ok douche bag. Is it a wonder you have no friends.

sorry, you lied about what he said. if you think it’s bad to suggest that SS should be voluntary, you ought to be able to explain why it’s good for all of us that teachers bribed democrats so that THEY could be exempt from SS.

guter saying it’s ok for teachers not to participate, but fear mongering to suggest the rest of us not be forced to participate.

because you’re a partisan hack.

i taught. i know exactly why my union got me out of SS. because it’s not a good deal for participants, especially those after the baby boomers.

sorry, you lied about what he said.

because you’re a partisan hack.


That is what Johnson said.

And you're a douche bag with no friends here. Is a wonder why?

That is what Johnson said.

And you're a douche bag with no friends here. Is a wonder why?

read what you posted. he said maybe participation is voluntary.

if you’re saying it’s a terrible idea for people
to opt out, why won’t you comment on the fact that democrat politicians slowed teachers to opt out?

the teachers unions successfully pulled off what johnson suggested. Yet you attack johnson and won’t utter a peep
about the fact that the teachers and democrats actually did it.

go ahead and explain that please. because it certainly appears you’re holding them
to very different standards based on political affiliation.

read what you posted. he said maybe participation is voluntary. No he didn't. So your a liar. Isn't that what you do when you want to insult people?

if you’re saying it’s a terrible idea for people
to opt out, why won’t you comment on the fact that democrat politicians slowed teachers to opt out?I don't understand this gibberish. Isn't that the word you use when you want to insult people?

the teachers unions successfully pulled off what johnson suggested. Yet you attack johnson and won’t utter a peep
about the fact that the teachers and democrats actually did it.

go ahead and explain that please. because it certainly appears you’re holding them
to very different standards based on political affiliation.

Did I ever say anything about teachers?

Where did he ever ever say anything about them being voluntary? So pls. stop lying.

Did I ever say anything about teachers?

Where did he ever ever say anything about them being voluntary? So pls. stop lying.

you didn’t say anything about teachers, that’s the point. you’re fine them them not participating in SS.

Pail, you criticized Ron Johnson for saying SS shouldn't be mandatory.

Yes you don't care when left-wing groups carve themselves out of SS.

You said who wants to cut Social Security and I provided quotes showing what Johnson and others have said about social security and then you come out with some gibberish and lies.
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you didn’t say anything about teachers, that’s the point. you’re fine them them not participating in SS.
No it's not the point. You made a comment and I showed you exactly what they said to prove either you're wrong or you lied intentionally. Which was it, did you lie or you just don't know what you were talking about?

I told you start another thread. It would probably be more interesting than the thread you started about Nancy pelosi getting her hair done.
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No it's not the point. You made a comment and I showed you exactly what they said to prove either you're wrong or you lied intentionally. Which was it, did you lie or you just don't know what you were talking about?

I told you start another thread. It would probably be more interesting than the thread you started about Nancy pelosi getting her hair done.
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Here's is exactly what you posted, zero editing or parsing...

"Here is some fear mongering:
Senator Ron Johnson said on a radio show this month that Social Security and Medicare shouldn’t be “mandatory” programs"

You're obviously criticizing Johnson for suggesting that SS shouldn't me mandatory. That's correct, right? You said Johnson was engaging in fear mongering, for merely suggesting SS should be voluntary?

Yet teachers gave zillions of dollars to corrupt democrats, who then allowed teachers to profit enormously by opting out of SS.

So if it's OK for teachers to opt out, why is it "fear mongering" for Johnson to suggest others should be able to opt out?

It certainly appears you attacked Johnson for suggesting that others should be able to do, that which democrats have always allowed teachers to do.

You're really making a fool of yourself. He did not say participation should be voluntary. He said Social Security and Medicare shouldn't be mandatory programs and should be up for review every year. There are numerous other quotes indicating Republicans don't want to continue Social Security as is and want to reduce benefits by various methods including using the threat of closing the government down to get reduction in entitlements.
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You're really making a fool of yourself. He did not say participation should be voluntary. He said Social Security and Medicare shouldn't be mandatory programs and should be up for review every year. There are numerous other quotes indicating Republicans don't want to continue Social Security as is and want to reduce benefits by various methods including using the threat of closing the government down to get reduction in entitlements.
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your post claimed that he questioned if it should
be mandatory. that’s not the same as aging maybe it should be voluntary?

SS is already not mandatory, at least for people
who donate big money to democrats who then reward their donors by carving them out of SS. Nice spot to be in, get a cadillac pension instead of a crappy SS benefit.

SS is an awful, awful program. it’s literally a ponzi scheme. Why should
we stick without forever? why not try and see if there’s a better option? like the teacher pensions, which give teachers $75k a year starting at age 59.5? wouldn’t it be great if everyone had that, instead of just teachers?

this is a complete waste.

your post claimed that he questioned if it should
be mandatory. that’s not the same as aging maybe it should be voluntary?

SS is already not mandatory, at least for people
who donate big money to democrats who then reward their donors by carving them out of SS. Nice spot to be in, get a cadillac pension instead of a crappy SS benefit.

SS is an awful, awful program. it’s literally a ponzi scheme. Why should
we stick without forever? why not try and see if there’s a better option? like the teacher pensions, which give teachers $75k a year starting at age 59.5? wouldn’t it be great if everyone had that, instead of just teachers?

this is a complete waste.

Yes this is a complete waste because you have no common sense. He's talking about if the program should be continued and if it should be mandatory spending and not discretionary. I e he's saying let's review the program and see if we should cancel it or lower the benefits. You asked who wants to gut Social Security and I showed you numerous Republicans want to.
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Yes this is a complete waste because you have no common sense. He's talking about if the program should be continued and if it should be mandatory spending and not discretionary. I e he's saying let's review the program and see if we should cancel it or lower the benefits. You asked who wants to gut Social Security and I showed you numerous Republicans want to.
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where did he say lower the benefits? and to whom?

i have news for you, benefits are going to have to be reduced for the wealthy. the program can’t afford it.

if you cut benefits to multi millionaires is that gutting the program? or is that making it more viable?

he’s a republican, so therefore it must be sinister. no other possibility. right? he must mean that poor people
should have to eat cat food.

where did he say lower the benefits? and to whom?

i have news for you, benefits are going to have to be reduced for the wealthy. the program can’t afford it.

if you cut benefits to multi millionaires is that gutting the program? or is that making it more viable?

he’s a republican, so therefore it must be sinister. no other possibility. right? he must mean that poor people
should have to eat cat food.

You asked right? I told you. And what do you? You start with your usual insults.

Here is your first insult "You want to see a lying fear monger? Look in the mirror." That is why (or I should say 1 reason) I think you are a scum bag.
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You asked right? I told you. And what do you? You start with your usual insults.

Here is your first insult "You want to see a lying fear monger? Look in the mirror." That is why (or I should say 1 reason) I think you are a scum bag.
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I asked where he talked about cutting benefits, which you claimed he did. I don't see it.

Have a good weekend.

Documents show top DeSantis officials were personally involved in Martha's Vineyard flights….
Hard to believe
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James Uthmeier, Ron DeSantis's Chief of Staff, who, based on document dump late last night from Governor's Office, was also running point on DeSantis's "relocation program" with Larry Keefe. He formerly worked for Wilbur Ross, Trump's Secretary of Commerce. Stay tuned!!
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Documents show top DeSantis officials were personally involved in Martha's Vineyard flights….
Hard to believe
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good for them. state officials should be sending these folks to oma es where people
claim to want them.

They left Venezuela months ago and traversed Central America on bus, train, and foot. Then, famously, they flew to Martha’s Vineyard on private planes and ferried to the mainland to stay, for a time, on a military base.

Now, the Martha’s Vineyard migrants are achieving some semblance of stability, or at least striving to do so. Forty-seven of them have found housing in Massachusetts — in Lowell, Brockton, Stoughton, Provincetown, and other towns on Cape Cod, according to Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, the head of Lawyers for Civil Rights.

Four have even returned to Martha’s Vineyard, where the group first landed on Sept. 14, according to Rachel Self, a lawyer on the island who has assisted the migrants since their arrival. (Two of the 49 migrants have moved to New York.)

Meanwhile, their prospects for remaining in the United States long term have received a boost from a Texas law enforcement official.
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They left Venezuela months ago and traversed Central America on bus, train, and foot. Then, famously, they flew to Martha’s Vineyard on private planes and ferried to the mainland to stay, for a time, on a military base.

Now, the Martha’s Vineyard migrants are achieving some semblance of stability, or at least striving to do so. Forty-seven of them have found housing in Massachusetts — in Lowell, Brockton, Stoughton, Provincetown, and other towns on Cape Cod, according to Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, the head of Lawyers for Civil Rights.

Four have even returned to Martha’s Vineyard, where the group first landed on Sept. 14, according to Rachel Self, a lawyer on the island who has assisted the migrants since their arrival. (Two of the 49 migrants have moved to New York.)

Meanwhile, their prospects for remaining in the United States long term have received a boost from a Texas law enforcement official.
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that’s great. I always say there’s nothing smarter than rewarding people for breaking the rules, while those who are following the rules pay a harsh penalty. It’s brilliant. Just brilliant. Let’s tell our kids, if you’re waiting in a long line, cut the line, the people who got there first have no rights whatsoever.

i have a neighbor who was here in a student visa, started a masonry business, had a few employees. He wanted to stay after his visa ran out, he hired lawyers, did everything the right way. He didn’t luck out, had to go back to albania for two years to wait for the chance to come back legally.

He played by the rules, and suffered as a result. Liberals, I guess, would say he’s a sucker for doing so.

They left Venezuela months ago and traversed Central America on bus, train, and foot. Then, famously, they flew to Martha’s Vineyard on private planes and ferried to the mainland to stay, for a time, on a military base.


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sounds like the best part of the trip......

that’s great. I always say there’s nothing smarter than rewarding people for breaking the rules, while those who are following the rules pay a harsh penalty. It’s brilliant. Just brilliant. Let’s tell our kids, if you’re waiting in a long line, cut the line, the people who got there first have no rights whatsoever.

i have a neighbor who was here in a student visa, started a masonry business, had a few employees. He wanted to stay after his visa ran out, he hired lawyers, did everything the right way. He didn’t luck out, had to go back to albania for two years to wait for the chance to come back legally.

He played by the rules, and suffered as a result. Liberals, I guess, would say he’s a sucker for doing so.

If only Ron had followed the rules, we wouldn't have to see another bleeding heart/angry Jim post. Do you wake up angry Jim? Do you skip breakfast to get this forum opened to see where you need to focus your anger? I pop in to amuse myself over the never ending circular debates, some threads going off in several different directions. Man I'd love to see you all sit down in a room and see how different the tone and hopefully civility might be; the internet is a great place to post without consequences. Well unless your name is DJT, then you need to start your own media platform to spread your lies.

If only Ron had followed the rules, we wouldn't have to see another bleeding heart/angry Jim post. Do you wake up angry Jim? Do you skip breakfast to get this forum opened to see where you need to focus your anger? I pop in to amuse myself over the never ending circular debates, some threads going off in several different directions. Man I'd love to see you all sit down in a room and see how different the tone and hopefully civility might be; the internet is a great place to post without consequences. Well unless your name is DJT, then you need to start your own media platform to spread your lies.

what rule did ron break? so there a rule that says that illegals have to stay in FL?

“i pop in to amuse myself”

i love that. you don’t contribute the way others do, just to amuse yourself. you’re better than us. you see. You keep repeating this nonsense, like you’re desperately trying to convince us it’s true.

that’s great. I always say there’s nothing smarter than rewarding people for breaking the rules, while those who are following the rules pay a harsh penalty. It’s brilliant. Just brilliant. Let’s tell our kids, if you’re waiting in a long line, cut the line, the people who got there first have no rights whatsoever.


i have a neighbor who was here in a student visa, started a masonry business, had a few employees. He wanted to stay after his visa ran out, he hired lawyers, did everything the right way. He didn’t luck out, had to go back to albania for two years to wait for the chance to come back legally.

He played by the rules, and suffered as a result. Liberals, I guess, would say he’s a sucker for doing so.

Except they didn’t break the rules like your neighbor.
They came to the border and legally requested asylum as the law requires.
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Except they didn’t break the rules like your neighbor.
They came to the border and legally requested asylum as the law requires.
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Jim considers he’s of European descent no other immigrants from south of the border have done the same. Its just his political views complements of the GOP

And most illegals are like his example they are visa overstayers

It’s Jim’s own party cheer what happened to this man. Not Democrats
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Except they didn’t break the rules like your neighbor.
They came to the border and legally requested asylum as the law requires.
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my neighbor broke zero rules. he left when he was supposed to
leave, came back legally.

how come you’re too scared to
comment on recent polling?

Jim considers he’s of European descent no other immigrants from south of the border have done the same. Its just his political views complements of the GOP

And most illegals are like his example they are visa overstayers

It’s Jim’s own party cheer what happened to this man. Not Democrats
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i don’t consider im of european descent, it’s fact.

i’m a big believer in immigration. legal
immigration.


you work in law enforcement, and you believe people
can ignore laws that are inconvenient for them? interesting.

my neighbor broke zero rules. he left when he was supposed to
leave, came back legally.

how come you’re too scared to
comment on recent polling?

You can’t work on a student visa.
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Money left at dead drops. Encrypted messages. A woman whom one Venezuelan migrant called "Perla Hermosa." Here's the inside story of the covert operation behind Gov. Ron DeSantis' migrant flights

https://account.miamiherald.com/paywall/subscriber-only?resume=266767796
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You can’t work on a student visa.
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yes you can.

https://www.worldtrips.com/blog/posts/4-ways-to-work-in-the-us-with-a-student-visa

yes you can.

https://www.worldtrips.com/blog/posts/4-ways-to-work-in-the-us-with-a-student-visa

I think you might need to actually still be a student

Starting your own business isn’t on the list. It admirable but not allowed on a student visa

Jobs outside of your school are only available to international students who have completed one full academic year and who have a qualifying economic hardship or an emergent circumstance.

According to the DHS, a qualifying economic hardship entails "new, unexpected circumstances beyond [your] control," such as:

Loss of financial aid or on-campus employment (if the student is not at fault)

Large increases in tuition or living costs

Substantial decrease in the relative value of currency the student depends upon to pay expenses

Unexpected changes in the financial conditions for a student's sources of financial support

Unexpectedly large medical bills not covered by insurance

Other substantial, unexpected expenses
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I think you might need to actually still be a student

Starting your own business isn’t on the list. It admirable but not allowed on a student visa

Jobs outside of your school are only available to international students who have completed one full academic year and who have a qualifying economic hardship or an emergent circumstance.

According to the DHS, a qualifying economic hardship entails "new, unexpected circumstances beyond [your] control," such as:

Loss of financial aid or on-campus employment (if the student is not at fault)

Large increases in tuition or living costs

Substantial decrease in the relative value of currency the student depends upon to pay expenses

Unexpected changes in the financial conditions for a student's sources of financial support

Unexpectedly large medical bills not covered by insurance

Other substantial, unexpected expenses
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so how would you know he didnt qualify undermine of those many criteria? i do t know, i didn’t know him
when he was in school, i met him after.

The point is, how can you defend a system
that punishes those who play by the rules and heaps rewards on those who cut to the front of the line? how is that fair?

so how would you know he didnt qualify undermine of those many criteria? i do t know, i didn’t know him
when he was in school, i met him after.

The point is, how can you defend a system
that punishes those who play by the rules and heaps rewards on those who cut to the front of the line? how is that fair?

Now life should be fair?
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good thing they weren't sent to that sacntuary haven of san francisco where "bluestatesarebetter D-O-T C-O-M(brando lingo)


Cotopaxi Closes San Francisco Store after Multiple Break-Ins: ‘City of Chaos’

‘Many streets and parks are overrun with drugs, criminals, and homelessness, and local leadership and law enforcement enable it through inaction,’ Cotopaxi’s CEO said.

so how would you know he didnt qualify undermine of those many criteria? i do t know, i didn’t know him
when he was in school, i met him after.

The point is, how can you defend a system
that punishes those who play by the rules and heaps rewards on those who cut to the front of the line? how is that fair?

Jim if you met him after school it’s safe to assume his business aka job was after he left school

Also he did not play by the Rules if he overstated his Visa like the 658,000 others who did the same in 2020

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/CBP%20-%20FY%202020%20Entry%20Exit%20Overstay%20Report_0. pdf
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Jim if you met him after school it’s safe to assume his business aka job was after he left school

Also he did not play by the Rules if he overstated his Visa like the 658,000 others who did the same in 2020

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/CBP%20-%20FY%202020%20Entry%20Exit%20Overstay%20Report_0. pdf
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he told me he started working, and then started his own business.

he did not overstay the visa. he worked with lawyers to get it extended, and when that failed, he moved back to albania.

so how is it fair that we punish those who obey the rules, and heap rewards on those who cheat?

he told me he started working, and then started his own business.

he did not overstay the visa. he worked with lawyers to get it extended, and when that failed, he moved back to albania.

so how is it fair that we punish those who obey the rules, and heap rewards on those who cheat?

he did not overstay the visa.

Ya ok Jim if you are no longer a student you are no longer-qualified for a student visa. He cheated just admit stop trying to twist it.
I am sure he’s a fine person and hard worker

But your party wants people like him and others brought here as children

out of the country . I suggest you complain to them .

Most Democrats are empathic to people like him and his situations
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he did not overstay the visa.

Ya ok Jim if you are no longer a student you are no longer-qualified for a student visa. He cheated just admit stop trying to twist it.
I am sure he’s a fine person and hard worker

But your party wants people like him and others brought here a children

out of the country . I suggest you complain to them .

Most Democrats are empathic to people like him situations
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ANYTHING to avoid answering a challenging question.

When his visa was coming up on expiration, that’s when he hired lawyers and contacted the feds with his request to stay. when that didn’t work out, he left and waited until he had permission to come back.

who in the gop wants people like him out?

How flimsy are your beliefs, that you can’t answer a simple question.

ANYTHING to avoid answering a challenging question.

When his visa was coming up on expiration, that’s when he hired lawyers and contacted the feds with his request to stay. when that didn’t work out, he left and waited until he had permission to come back.

Jim if you are no longer a student your visa is not valid you do have a search button right?

who in the gop wants people like him out? all of them

How flimsy are your beliefs, that you can’t answer a simple question.
Ive answered all these question you again dont like the answers and demand new ones

Once you're in the United States on a student visa (F-1 or M-1), your right to stay in the country depends not only on when your official permission to remain expires, but whether you are maintaining your student immigration status. You can maintain your status by following all of the rules of your student status—in other words, by doing everything you agreed to do when you received the visa or status change.


starting your own business is breaking the rules


Why You Should Abide by Student Visa Rules
If you violate the rules that come with your F-1 or M-1 student visa, you are said to "fall out of status." That means that your right to be in the United States disappears automatically.

Your accompanying spouse and children will simultaneously lose their right to be here. You and your family could be deported and your unlawful stay in the United States would be entered onto your permanent immigration record.

The most important rules are rather simple. You must, in order to comply with the terms of a student visa:

go to school as expected (and only the school that helped you get the visa)
work only on campus or with permission from USCIS, and
make sure that your school's foreign student adviser (often called a designated student adviser or DSO) or U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) approve any changes in your overall
plan.

Jim you are barking up the wrong Tree AGAIN its Republicans who have a hard on for your friend you are just in denial :faga:

you want to pick and choose the circumstance of your support for immigrants .. because a personal connection I get it and like I have said I am sure he is a hard worker ... But the laws the law. and he came on student visa and others claiming asylum....

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/avoid-breaking-student-visa-rules.html

Once you're in the United States on a student visa (F-1 or M-1), your right to stay in the country depends not only on when your official permission to remain expires, but whether you are maintaining your student immigration status. You can maintain your status by following all of the rules of your student status—in other words, by doing everything you agreed to do when you received the visa or status change.


starting your own business is breaking the rules


Why You Should Abide by Student Visa Rules
If you violate the rules that come with your F-1 or M-1 student visa, you are said to "fall out of status." That means that your right to be in the United States disappears automatically.

Your accompanying spouse and children will simultaneously lose their right to be here. You and your family could be deported and your unlawful stay in the United States would be entered onto your permanent immigration record.

The most important rules are rather simple. You must, in order to comply with the terms of a student visa:

go to school as expected (and only the school that helped you get the visa)
work only on campus or with permission from USCIS, and
make sure that your school's foreign student adviser (often called a designated student adviser or DSO) or U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) approve any changes in your overall
plan.

Jim you are barking up the wrong Tree AGAIN its Republicans who have a hard on for your friend you are just in denial :faga:

you want to pick and choose the circumstance of your support for immigrants .. because a personal connection I get it and like I have said I am sure he is a hard worker ... But the laws the law. and he came on student visa and others claiming asylum....

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/avoid-breaking-student-visa-rules.html

YOU yourself, itemized all the exceptions to the rule, that allow one to work while on a student visa, including working off campus. You have no way of knowing if he broke any rule. But his story doesn't paint liberalism favorably, so you pretend that he must have broken the rules.

He worked with Immigration and his lawyers every single step of the way.

If it weren't for the who-knows-how-many millions of illegals here, we'd have more spots available for people who choose to obey the rules. Which is obviously fair. But it makes liberals look bad, because they are currently embracing some pretty kooky things.

YOU yourself, itemized all the exceptions to the rule, that allow one to work while on a student visa, including working off campus. You have no way of knowing if he broke any rule. But his story doesn't paint liberalism favorably, so you pretend that he must have broken the rules.

He worked with Immigration and his lawyers every single step of the way.

If it weren't for the who-knows-how-many millions of illegals here, we'd have more spots available for people who choose to obey the rules. Which is obviously fair. But it makes liberals look bad, because they are currently embracing some pretty kooky things.

You know him . Jim but why twist into I have no way of knowing if he broke any rules ? Give it up you can’t or won’t say he didn’t break any rules . Why is that?

and if that was True he didn’t break the rules.. he wouldn’t have been forced to leave..

Like I said you have a loose relationship with the Truth
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YOU yourself, itemized all the exceptions to the rule, that allow one to work while on a student visa, including working off campus. You have no way of knowing if he broke any rule. But his story doesn't paint liberalism favorably, so you pretend that he must have broken the rules.

He worked with Immigration and his lawyers every single step of the way.

If it weren't for the who-knows-how-many millions of illegals here, we'd have more spots available for people who choose to obey the rules. Which is obviously fair. But it makes liberals look bad, because they are currently embracing some pretty kooky things.

Jim thinks he’s discovered something new.

Whenever Trumplicans accuse others you can count on them being guilty of that.

For as soon as people start thinking they do not have, somebody can point at somebody else and say, 'That's why you do not have.'

The basis for grievance politics
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You know him . Jim but why twist into I have no way of knowing if he broke any rules ? Give it up you can’t or won’t say he didn’t break any rules . Why is that?

and if that was True he didn’t break the rules.. he wouldn’t have been forced to leave..

Like I said you have a loose relationship with the Truth
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I'll give it up when you stop dodging this obvious question...how is it fair to heap rewards on those who break the rules, while punishing those who obey the rules?

Why can't you just answer? (Because it's a losing issue for your side)

I'll give it up when you stop dodging this obvious question...how is it fair to heap rewards on those who break the rules, while punishing those who obey the rules?

Why can't you just answer? (Because it's a losing issue for your side)

if you are claiming asylum you are following the Rules is it that hard ?

if you are claiming asylum you are following the Rules is it that hard ?

The people fleeing Venezuela technically aren’t fleeing because they are being persecuted, they are fleeing because of a crumbling economy.

To claim asylum, they have to be fleeing persecution based on things like political views and religion. So they legally can’t be granted asylum.
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if you are claiming asylum you are following the Rules is it that hard ?

so you’re saying there’s no such thing as illegal immigration? my god, anything to avoid answering a challenging question.

so you’re saying there’s no such thing as illegal immigration? my god, anything to avoid answering a challenging question.

You can never stay on topic can you ?

Illegals get deported all the time only in Republicans fantasy’s
This only happens when they are in the White House when they lose

It’s the democrats who leave the lights on for them and a key underneath a Mat on the border

Also when’s the next caravans expected ? Is is midterms
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The people fleeing Venezuela technically aren’t fleeing because they are being persecuted, they are fleeing because of a crumbling economy.

To claim asylum, they have to be fleeing persecution based on things like political views and religion. So they legally can’t be granted asylum.
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Still don’t understand how it works I am shocked

Just to help you out ! migrants can claim what ever they want to claim

Only those who pass a credible fear interview are referred back to USCIS for a separate “asylum merits interview.” At this interview, which is supposed to occur within 21-45 days of the credible fear interview, the asylum officer will determine whether or not to grant the person asylum.

That’s the law
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Still don’t understand how it works I am shocked

Just to help you out ! migrants can claim what ever they want to claim

Only those who pass a credible fear interview are referred back to USCIS for a separate “asylum merits interview.” At this interview, which is supposed to occur within 21-45 days of the credible fear interview, the asylum officer will determine whether or not to grant the person asylum.

That’s the law
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The law also says that asylum seekers have to enter legally at a port of entry. See 8 USC 1325.

You very conveniently left that out.

For the 20th time, please tell me how the feds know where illegals are (since many of them have never spoken to anyone in the government), and therefore how do the feds know how much money to send where, to support the infastructure you said exists for them.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

You can never stay on topic can you ?

Illegals get deported all the time only in Republicans fantasy’s
This only happens when they are in the White House when they lose

It’s the democrats who leave the lights on for them and a key underneath a Mat on the border

Also when’s the next caravans expected ? Is is midterms
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Illegals who get caught, can get deported. There are millions and millions who are still here. Who should have to pay for their care?

"It’s the democrats who leave the lights on for them and a key underneath a Mat on the border"

Historically, as I have said, both parties encouraged illegal immigration. And Trump abd the GOP get an F for not building the wall when they could have. Today, only one party is actively encouraging it.

This estimate guesses that 11.5 million illegals are living in the US. Who should have to pay for that? Just the border states? Why don't the residents of Marthas Vineyard have to take their share?

https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey

Still don’t understand how it works I am shocked

Just to help you out ! migrants can claim what ever they want to claim

Only those who pass a credible fear interview are referred back to USCIS for a separate “asylum merits interview.” At this interview, which is supposed to occur within 21-45 days of the credible fear interview, the asylum officer will determine whether or not to grant the person asylum.

That’s the law
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Enlighten me, ye of the incomprehensible sentence, on the ways of the world, use that superior intellect of yours to educate me, on something that, yet again, I didn’t say.

I know there’s a process numb nuts
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Enlighten me, ye of the incomprehensible sentence, on the ways of the world, use that superior intellect of yours to educate me, on something that, yet again, I didn’t say.

I know there’s a process numb nuts
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clearly. you can’t or won’t follow that process

Let me guess you’re not claiming those MV migrants were economic migrants and did not qualified to be asylum.seekers ?

I forgot you never say anything
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Illegals who get caught, can get deported. There are millions and millions who are still here. Who should have to pay for their care?

"It’s the democrats who leave the lights on for them and a key underneath a Mat on the border"

Historically, as I have said, both parties encouraged illegal immigration. And Trump abd the GOP get an F for not building the wall when they could have. Today, only one party is actively encouraging it.

This estimate guesses that 11.5 million illegals are living in the US. Who should have to pay for that? Just the border states? Why don't the residents of Marthas Vineyard have to take their share?

https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey

Who should have to pay for their care?

To bad Jim that’s another republican fantasy

Study after study shows they are a net gain to the economy

But again facts are easier to dismiss when they don’t fit the narrative
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Who should have to pay for their care?

To bad Jim that’s another republican fantasy

Study after study shows they are a net gain to the economy

But again facts are easier to dismiss when they don’t fit the narrative
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I don't give a damn what any study shows. People who come here with no skills, no money, who can't speak the language, no education, and who have more kids on average than American citizens, many of whom don't pay income or SS tax, cannot be a net gain to the economy, and only a liberal could think otherwise.

YOU are the one who said the feds pony up the money to take care of them. So you're not even contradicting me, you are contradicting YOU. I guess you're reading the polls, because even for you, you are acting bonkers.

Please post a study showing that illegal immigrants contribute more than they take.

People who come here with no skills, no money, who can't speak the language, no education, and who have more kids on average than American citizens,

That how America was made ! And is still. And how we find greatness. Not sure how you don’t see it?
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I don't give a damn what any study shows. People who come here with no skills, no money, who can't speak the language, no education, and who have more kids on average than American citizens, many of whom don't pay income or SS tax, cannot be a net gain to the economy, and only a liberal could think otherwise.

YOU are the one who said the feds pony up the money to take care of them. So you're not even contradicting me, you are contradicting YOU. I guess you're reading the polls, because even for you, you are acting bonkers.

Please post a study showing that illegal immigrants contribute more than they take.

What no internet search try it

1st result

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/immigrants-contribute-greatly-to-us-economy-despite-administrations


Immigrants Contribute Greatly to U.S. Economy, Despite Administration’s “Public Charge” Rule Rationale

Or https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

Jim I am big into facts and truths not
anecdotes and fear hyperbole to make my points
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Jim sounds like a Lara Logan disciple…..
Lara Logan says "the open border is Satan's way of taking control of the world," adding "The ones who want us eating insects, cockroaches, and that while they dine on the blood of children...They're not going to win"
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Florida needs workers to rebuild after Ian. Undocumented migrants are stepping in.
Hundreds have arrived in the Sunshine State despite Gov. Ron DeSantis’s warning that those without papers are not wanted in Florida.


Their arrival puts the Republican strongholds that weathered the worst of the storm in an awkward position as they attempt to recover: With low unemployment, a shortage of construction workers and an above-average elderly population, can Florida rebuild without them?
“We’d like them back,” Nancy Randall, a real estate agent who declined to give her age or political affiliation, said of the immigrants DeSantis had flown to Martha’s Vineyard,

Classic republicans , cutting off their nose to spite their face,
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