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Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 08:37 AM

when rand paul was savagely beaten ( 6 broken ribs, part of his lung had to be removed),

jim loves to lie

what actually happened

Rene Boucher broke several of the senator’s ribs when he tackled him while Paul was doing yard work at his home in Kentucky in 2017.

of course in Jims world both incidents are the same

Donald Trump Jr posts 'Paul Pelosi Halloween costume' image mocking hammer attack on House Speaker's husband

Let's hear another Lie that Trump Jr isn't a meaningful republican

Jan 6th and now the Pelose attack and Republicans response is always the same

Republicans blame ‘both sides’ for political violence after Paul Pelosi attack

on Sunday, Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, called the attack on Paul Pelosi “disgusting.”

He then shifted the discussion to reports that Republicans have been vulnerable to politically motivated attacks, too. “We had a door knocker in Florida that was attacked,” he said, referring to a recent attack on a Republican canvasser that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) claimed was politically motivated. Police have not backed up that assertion. “I mean, this stuff has to stop.”

On CBS’s “Face the Nation,” host Margaret Brennan questioned Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) about his Twitter post last week of a video of him firing a gun at a shooting range with the hashtag #FirePelosi.

defended the imagery, saying he was touting the Second Amendment rather than promoting violence.

He also returned to arguing about both sides when asked about armed people in Arizona staking out ballot drop boxes.

Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, said Sunday it was “unfair” for Democrats to link Republicans’ inflammatory rhetoric toward their political opponents to the attack on Paul Pelosi.

“I think this is a deranged individual,” McDaniel cited an attack in July against New York GOP gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin at a campaign event, and falsely claimed that President Biden “didn’t talk about the assassination attempt against” Supreme Court Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh,

Wow still calling the man who called the police on himself an assassination attempt .. WOW ! Trump was right if they think that's what an assassination attempt looks like .

Donald Trump declared in February that he loved "the poorly educated." And people with less formal education — generally less than a college degree — loved him back

"of course in Jims world both incidents are the same "

I never said that. In fact, I said they are different. In Paul's case, the left didn't care when some of their own celebrated what happened to Paul. With Pelosi's attack, the left demands that we all condemn the violence.

I am saying the events are different. Can I be more clear.

"Trump Jr isn't a meaningful republican"

Here's the difference between us...Trump JR is a scumbag who no one should listen to. I have absolutely no problem saying that. But you would never, ever condemn liberals who celebrated Paul's attack.

That's the difference between us. It's a big difference.

Why exactly is it wrong to point out that political violence happens to both sides? The left wing media is saying all day, every day that the right is out of control. Why isn't it perfectly appropriate to respond by pointing out that both sides do it, and it's equally wrong when either side does it? Why is that inappropriate?

We should just let liberals lie and say it only happens to them?

Your side constantly censors the truth. They never stop.

Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 08:40 AM

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) claimed was politically motivated. Police have not backed up that assertion

So you say it's wrong for Rubio to assume the attack on his volunteer was politically motivated.

Fine.

So why is it OK for all of you to assume the attack on Mr Pelosi was politically motivated? The police haven't established that either.

Why is it wrong for Rubio to speculate, but totally OK for the entire left to speculate?

Please answer that question. I'll wait.

Let's summarize your position here Wayne...

(1) it's OK for you to speculate about the motives behind Mr Pelosi's attack, but wrong for Rubio to do the same exact thing.

(2) when liberals say that all political violence is done by the right, the right should not disprove that by pointing to irrefutable cases of left wing political violence. The right should just take those accusations and shut about it, so that we can paint democrats in the most favorable way possible. That matters more than truth.

Do I have that right Wayne? Does that seem fair and balanced to you?

wdmso

11-01-2022, 08:40 AM

please show me some footage of influential republicans who didn’t condemn the attack. if there are any, they should be ashamed. but i see you don’t care about those who celebrated the attack on Rand Paul, yiujwonr comment on that. Why is that wayne?

now it's footage!

Give it UP .... Jim his neighbor wasn't motivated by Democratic Rhetoric..

I am sure he was motivated because Rand was a #^&#^&#^&#^& neighbor doesn't make it ok ... but it's not political violence

why am I not surprised you cant see the difference?

Rand is such a petty man

“No one deserves to be assaulted. Unlike Nancy Pelosi’s daughter who celebrated my assault, I condemn this attack and wish Mr Pelosi a speedy recovery,” the Kentucky senator tweeted on Friday.

Pelosi’s daughter who celebrated my assault

in March of 2020, Nancy Pelosi’s daughter Christine tweeted, “Rand Paul’s neighbor was right.”Yep 3 years after the Assault took place ...

Again not remotely the same! As lets say Don Jrs Tweet

wdmso

11-01-2022, 08:42 AM

"Trump Jr isn't a meaningful republican" and Your side constantly censors the truth. They never stop.

jim that just shows how misinformed or its just wishful thinking hard to tell which

Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 08:45 AM

"Trump Jr isn't a meaningful republican" and Your side constantly censors the truth. They never stop.

jim that just shows how misinformed or its just wishful thinking hard to tell which

Tell us all why it's wrong for Rubio to jump to conclusions about the motives behind the attack on his volunteer, but it's totally fine for everyone on the left to speculate about the motives behind Mr Pelosi's atack.

Pete F.

11-01-2022, 09:02 AM

Exactly? can you name a single meaningful republican who hasn’t condemned it when asked?

how do you know what the attack was based on? does that “direct line” not also apply to the shooting of Steve Scalise and the guy who wanted to kill Kavanaugh right after Schumer threatened him by name? or does that line only appt to the right?

When Steve Scalise was shot, Nancy Pelosi said, ‘an attack on you is an attack on us all,’
She didn’t speculate about it being a ‘tiff between gay lovers’.
Didn’t say it was staged, didn’t crack jokes or post memes.
She stood up and spoke out.
So spare me your bothsidesism bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.
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Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 09:12 AM

When Steve Scalise was shot, Nancy Pelosi said, ‘an attack on you is an attack on us all,’
She didn’t speculate about it being a ‘tiff between gay lovers’.
Didn’t say it was staged, didn’t crack jokes or post memes.
She stood up and spoke out.
So spare me your bothsidesism bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.
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i havent heard a republican politician say the attack was acceptable or tolerable. not a single one. they’re all condemning it.

there’s an audio i heard, purported to be a conversation from the dispatcher, stating that the person who made the call ( presumably Mr Pelosi) knew the “”Dave” who was there and that they were friends. i heard an audio of that conversation.

Has that call been debunked? it obviously could have been made up by right wing liars. Or it could be authentic. But do we know it’s not legit?

I don’t care about the motives or the details, what matters is that Mr Pelosi recovers and that the attacker gets whats coming to him. But if the left is going to claim everywhere that this is yet another example of right wing violent lunatics and that only the right wing does this, THEN you better be prepared to prove that and face questions when there are interesting holes in the details.

Why would we assume your side is getting this one right? After Ferguson, Duke lacrosse, university of VA rape case, Nick Sandmann, Kyle Rittenhouse, Jesse Smollett, border agents accused of whipping…sorry, at some point your credibility gets tainted when you get caught lying for political gain enough times.

Pete F.

11-01-2022, 09:29 AM

i havent heard a republican politician say the attack was acceptable or tolerable. not a single one. they’re all condemning it.

there’s an audio i heard, purported to be a conversation from the dispatcher, stating that the person who made the call ( presumably Mr Pelosi) knew the “”Dave” who was there and that they were friends. i heard an audio of that conversation.

Has that call been debunked? it obviously could have been made up by right wing liars. Or it could be authentic. But do we know it’s not legit?

I don’t care about the motives or the details, what matters is that Mr Pelosi recovers and that the attacker gets whats coming to him. But if the left is going to claim everywhere that this is yet another example of right wing violent lunatics and that only the right wing does this, THEN you better be prepared to prove that and face questions when there are interesting holes in the details.

Why would we assume your side is getting this one right? After Ferguson, Duke lacrosse, university of VA rape case, Nick Sandmann, Kyle Rittenhouse, Jesse Smollett, border agents accused of whipping…sorry, at some point your credibility gets tainted when you get caught lying for political gain enough times.

You can’t even manage ordinary decency anymore. That’s what the GOP has become.

Remember Larry Elder, the radio host who ran for governor of California? He was a normal conservative, or seemed to be. But the mood of the right has infected him. Noting that Paul Pelosi had been arrested for a DUI a few months ago, he tweeted: “Poor Paul Pelosi. First, he’s busted for DUI and then gets attacked in his home. Hammered twice in six months.”

All of this is a garden party compared with the bilge (thank you Charlie Sykes) released into the atmosphere by Donald Trump Jr. Repeating a rumor from the fever swamps (which rumor was later retweeted by the new chief Twit), he displayed a picture of men’s underwear and a hammer, saying “Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready.” The vile, baseless claim that Pelosi was in the midst of a homosexual tryst with his attacker thus became the official conservative response to a horrifying attack on an 82 year-old man and attempted attack on the speaker of the House. Doubtless it will be but a few weeks or months before the Pew Research Center releases a survey showing that 70 percent of Republicans believe that the attack on Paul Pelosi was fake or a false flag. Was Antifa responsible?

Just asking questions as your ilk does…

The DoJ is charging DePape with a federal crime, and the conspiracy theories are now TOTALLY DEBUNKED. First, he was LOOKING FOR THE SPEAKER, and Paul Pelosi DID NOT KNOW HIM.
Next, DePape was not in his underwear, and he BROKE IN through the back door. There was broken glass.
DePape said he would wait for days for the Speaker.
DePape said he would hold the Speaker hostage and BREAK HER KNEECAPS to show the world what happens when you’re the “leader of the pack of DEMOCRATIC lies”. Absolutely politically motivated.
DePape told the police that Paul was taking Nancy’s punishment.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download
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Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 09:39 AM

You can’t even manage ordinary decency anymore. That’s what the GOP has become.

Remember Larry Elder, the radio host who ran for governor of California? He was a normal conservative, or seemed to be. But the mood of the right has infected him. Noting that Paul Pelosi had been arrested for a DUI a few months ago, he tweeted: “Poor Paul Pelosi. First, he’s busted for DUI and then gets attacked in his home. Hammered twice in six months.”

All of this is a garden party compared with the bilge (thank you Charlie Sykes) released into the atmosphere by Donald Trump Jr. Repeating a rumor from the fever swamps (which rumor was later retweeted by the new chief Twit), he displayed a picture of men’s underwear and a hammer, saying “Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready.” The vile, baseless claim that Pelosi was in the midst of a homosexual tryst with his attacker thus became the official conservative response to a horrifying attack on an 82 year-old man and attempted attack on the speaker of the House. Doubtless it will be but a few weeks or months before the Pew Research Center releases a survey showing that 70 percent of Republicans believe that the attack on Paul Pelosi was fake or a false flag. Was Antifa responsible?

Just asking questions as your ilk does…

The DoJ is charging DePape with a federal crime, and the conspiracy theories are now TOTALLY DEBUNKED. First, he was LOOKING FOR THE SPEAKER, and Paul Pelosi DID NOT KNOW HIM.
Next, DePape was not in his underwear, and he BROKE IN through the back door. There was broken glass.
DePape said he would wait for days for the Speaker.
DePape said he would hold the Speaker hostage and BREAK HER KNEECAPS to show the world what happens when you’re the “leader of the pack of DEMOCRATIC lies”. Absolutely politically motivated.
DePape told the police that Paul was taking Nancy’s punishment.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download
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"You can’t even manage ordinary decency anymore."

When your definition of "decent" is "let the left exploit this for our political gain, and don't you dare ask any questions", then no, I have no decency left.

For the second time, all I'd have cared about is that Mr Pelosi recovers and the attacker gets justice. But your side couldn't wait to make this a political issue, and that opens up a different can of worms. No ne cares if you don't happen to like it.

"Noting that Paul Pelosi had been arrested for a DUI a few months ago, he tweeted: “Poor Paul Pelosi. First, he’s busted for DUI and then gets attacked in his home. Hammered twice in six months.”

If that bothers you, please explain why you don't care that Pelosi's daughter said that Rand Paul's attacker was "right", and that MSNBC said that the Paul attack was their favorite story.

Tell us why that's not an obvious double standard.

Your outrage at making fun of victims of violence, is quite selective, based on partisan politics. Which means your outrage is fake, so spare me.

wdmso

11-01-2022, 01:46 PM

If that bothers you, please explain why you don't care that Pelosi's daughter said that Rand Paul's attacker was "right"

Jim her tweet was 2 years after the incident not 24hrs after the attack

Stop defending the indefensible

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wdmso

11-01-2022, 01:49 PM

Tell us all why it's wrong for Rubio to jump to conclusions about the motives behind the attack on his volunteer, but it's totally fine for everyone on the left to speculate about the motives behind Mr Pelosi's atack.

Information and actual facts. From police and investigators

Or are the police in on it to make the GOP look bad?

It isn’t that hard
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scottw

11-01-2022, 01:51 PM

Stop defending the indefensible

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what is he defending?

wdmso

11-01-2022, 02:04 PM

Some people need to do some reading

Shocking new details blow up conspiracy theories about Paul Pelosi attack

How did the break-in happen?

DePape told officers in a recorded interview last week that he broke through a glass door in the home using a hammer, according to the criminal complaint. He said Paul Pelosi was in bed at the time and “appeared surprised” by him. DePape allegedly told Paul Pelosi to wake up and that he was “looking for Nancy,” to which Paul Pelosi responded that she wasn’t there. Paul Pelosi apparently asked DePape how they could resolve the situation.

http://tribunecontentagency.com/

The unfounded idea that Pelosi knew DePape before the attack has spread widely, with some posts claiming that Pelosi called DePape his friend when speaking to 911 operators.

There is no merit to these claims, officials said.

"Mr. Pelosi did NOT know DePape," Officer Kathryn Winters of the San Francisco Police Department

During the call, Pelosi told dispatchers there was a man in his home and he did not know who the man was, according to the complaint and news reports. Pelosi said that the man — later identified as DePape — told him his name was David and identified himself as "a friend."
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Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 02:32 PM

Information and actual facts. From police and investigators

Or are the police in on it to make the GOP look bad?

It isn’t that hard
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for the 4th time now, tell us why it’s wrong for Du up to assume political motivations when that hasn’t been established, but totally ok when everyone to the left does it with this case

“information and actual facts” s a tad vague. If the police have concluded Mr Pelosi was attacked purely for political reasons, can you share a link to that? I can’t don’t it anywhere.

scottw

11-01-2022, 02:32 PM

Some people need to do some reading

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if you read enough you almost learn the difference between there, their and they're by osmosis....weird....

PaulS

11-01-2022, 03:25 PM

for the 4th time now, tell us why it’s wrong for Du up to assume political motivations when that hasn’t been established, but totally ok when everyone to the left does it with this case

“information and actual facts” s a tad vague. If the police have concluded Mr Pelosi was attacked purely for political reasons, can you share a link to that? I can’t don’t it anywhere.

It seems political but then maybe Depage wanted to find out where Nancy got her hair done????

Under questioning, Mr DePape allegedly told San Francisco police officers that he wanted to hold Ms Pelosi hostage, interrogate her, and injure her if she "lied".

"DePape articulated [that] he viewed Nancy as the 'leader of the pack' of lies told by the Democratic Party," the FBI's complaint says. "If Nancy were to tell DePape the 'truth,' he would let her go, and if she 'lied,'he was going to break 'her kneecaps'....

"DePape also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other members of Congress there were consequences to actions."

He allegedly added that he wanted to use Ms Pelosi to lure in another person, though the FBI document does not say who.

When Mr DePape realised that Mr Pelosi had called the police, he allegedly decided to stand his ground. "DePape explained that he did not leave after Pelosi’s call because, much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender," the FBI said.

The FBI agent concluded: "The facts of the investigation to date reveal that DePape was prepared to detain and injure Speaker Pelosi when he entered the Pelosi residence in the early morning of October 28, 2022. DePape had zip ties, tape, rope, and at least one hammer with him that morning."

Ms Jenkins likewise said: "It appears, based on his statements and comments that were made in that house during his encounter with Mr Pelosi, that this was politically motivated.

Got Stripers

11-01-2022, 04:23 PM

I’m pretty sure the whole thing was staged by the left, just wait Green and other nut jobs will probably claim soon this is just more deep state tactics.

Pete F.

11-01-2022, 05:02 PM

Likely Depape will headline the next CPAC along with the rest of the “victims”.
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Jim in CT

11-01-2022, 06:43 PM

It seems political but then maybe Depage wanted to find out where Nancy got her hair done????

Under questioning, Mr DePape allegedly told San Francisco police officers that he wanted to hold Ms Pelosi hostage, interrogate her, and injure her if she "lied".

"DePape articulated [that] he viewed Nancy as the 'leader of the pack' of lies told by the Democratic Party," the FBI's complaint says. "If Nancy were to tell DePape the 'truth,' he would let her go, and if she 'lied,'he was going to break 'her kneecaps'....

"DePape also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other members of Congress there were consequences to actions."

He allegedly added that he wanted to use Ms Pelosi to lure in another person, though the FBI document does not say who.

When Mr DePape realised that Mr Pelosi had called the police, he allegedly decided to stand his ground. "DePape explained that he did not leave after Pelosi’s call because, much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender," the FBI said.

The FBI agent concluded: "The facts of the investigation to date reveal that DePape was prepared to detain and injure Speaker Pelosi when he entered the Pelosi residence in the early morning of October 28, 2022. DePape had zip ties, tape, rope, and at least one hammer with him that morning."

Ms Jenkins likewise said: "It appears, based on his statements and comments that were made in that house during his encounter with Mr Pelosi, that this was politically motivated.

"It seems political"

I agree 100%, the most likely motive is political. But WDMSO said in Rubio's volunteer's case, unless the police established that, Rubio shouldn't be saying it. I'm asking why it's OK in one case and not the other.

The guy is also an illegal immigrant with BLM flags. Doesn't exactly sound like the president of the local Mega Maga fan club to me.

The guy is a nutjob, the GOP is exactly as responsible for this as Bernie Sanders is responsible for Steve Scalise, and as Chuck Schumer is for the half azzed attempt on Kavanaugh.

The left has a well-established pattern of jumping to politically-convenient conclusions, and running with politically-convenient narratives, over the last few years. Many have been proven to be spectacularly wrong.

scottw

11-01-2022, 06:59 PM

It seems political.... "It appears, based on his statements and comments that were made in that house during his encounter with Mr Pelosi, that this was politically motivated.

I'm pretty sure Nancy is a politician....

Pete F.

11-02-2022, 05:56 AM

Just a few examples

https://youtu.be/Mw9OQ8s5dZ8
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PaulS

11-02-2022, 07:32 AM

"It seems political"

But WDMSO said in Rubio's volunteer's case, unless the police established that, Rubio shouldn't be saying it. I'm asking why it's OK in one case and not the other.

Don't know what he said but the difference is that in Rubio's case the guy never said he was attacked for political reasons until after Rubio claimed that even though Rubio had no evidence it was.

The guy in Pelosi's case made political statements immediately to the police.

PaulS

11-02-2022, 07:34 AM

Veteran Republican strategist Doug Heye said that he and other senior figures in the party deserve to be blames for the attack on Paul Pelosi, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

In an interview on MSNBC Tuesday, Heye said that for years strategists such as himself had cast Pelosi as a villain, and ushered in the extreme rhetoric that had swept the GOP.

He discussed a Washington Post op-ed, in which he described how he pushed the slogan "Fire Nancy Pelosi" in 2010, harnessing personal animosity against her to motivate the successful GOP effort to retake the House.

"I think we have original sin here," Heye said, and went on to address how some Republicans at the time promoted racist "birther" conspiracy theories, questioning the citizenship of President Barack Obama.

"Part of that is our language towards Barack Obama, Michelle Obama for that matter as well, and the questioning of citizenship and religion, and so forth. And then also, obviously, with Donald Trump in what alternately culminated in Jan. 6. I think Republicans should be more mindful of that," he said.

I'm scared of what's going to happen next," he said.

Police say David DePape broke into the Pelosi's home in San Francisco on Friday, and attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer. Prosecutors say they believe the attack was politically motivated, and reports say DePape had posted support for far-right conspiracy theories on a blog.

Some Republicans, including former President Donald Trump, have pushed conspiracy theories about the attack, while others, including his son, Donald Trump Jr, have joked about it.

Heye is the former communications director of the RNC, and served in a senior communications role for Eric Cantor, who succeeded Pelosi as House speaker after the 2010 midterms.

wdmso

11-02-2022, 08:42 AM

paul, that then means your side is responsible for the targeting of kavanaugh, shooting of republicans at the congressional baseball game, and the countless ambushes of cops since democrats determined they could win elections by falsely portraying them
as racist assassins

I agree 100% that we would all benefit from turning the temperature down. But cut the crap that it’s anywhere near one sided.

Stacey Abrams said in a debate this week that all the sheriffs in GA are “good ole boys” who target blacks. Because they endorsed her opponent.

Chuck Schumer specifically called out Kavanaugh by name, and threatened him. Very shortly after,,a lunatic showed up to assassinate him at home. But that’s not worth mentioning. It’s only problematic when republicans do it?

the targeting of kavanaugh, shooting of republicans at the congressional baseball game, and the countless ambushes of cops since democrats determined they could win elections by falsely portraying them
as racist assassins

you live in a fantasy and are in complete denial that your parties Rhetoric is part of their Daily message year after year..

then try to tie together incidents that happened years apart and think you are showing causation

the right has weak hand on the kavanaugh being targeted By Dems

now protesters are threats and of course 911 records show man accused in plot to kill Kavanaugh called police on himself

On wednesday “I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions,” Schumer said, turning to look at the Supreme Court building.

on thursday “I should not have used the words I used,” he said. “They didn’t come out the way I intended,” he explained, and added “my point was that there would be political consequences for President Trump and Senate Republicans if the Supreme Court, with the newly confirmed justices stripped away at a woman’s right to choose.”

“I shouldn’t have used the words I did, but in no way was I making a threat, I never, never would do such a thing.”
then he issued an apology

shooting of republicans at the congressional baseball game

On June 14, 2017, a mass shooting occurred during a practice session for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for Charity in Alexandria, Virginia, where six people were shot, including U.S. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, U.S. Capitol police officer Crystal Griner, congressional aide Zack Barth, and lobbyist Matt Mika, by 66-year-old James Hodgkinson. A ten-minute shootout took place between Hodgkinson and officers from the Capitol and Alexandria Police before officers shot Hodgkinson, who died from his wounds later that day at the George Washington University Hospital.[7][8] Scalise and Mika were taken to nearby hospitals where they underwent surgery.[9]

Hodgkinson was a left-wing political activist[10][11] from Belleville, Illinois, The Virginia Attorney General concluded Hodgkinson's attack was "an act of terrorism... fueled by rage against Republican legislators".[12] Scalise was the first sitting member of Congress to have been shot since Arizona Representative Gabby Giffords was shot in 2011.[13]

In a 2021 report, the FBI classified the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism, and the perpetrator of the shooting as a "domestic violent extremist" with a "personalized violent ideology.

again Jim where the violent rhetoric from the Dems its not here

I am Guessing you forgo

tOn January 8, 2011, U.S. Representative Gabby Giffords and 18 others were shot during a constituent meeting held in a supermarket parking lot in Casas Adobes, Arizona, in the Tucson metropolitan area. Six people were killed, including federal District Court Chief Judge John Roll; Gabe Zimmerman, one of Giffords's staffers; and a 9-year-old girl, Christina-Taylor Green.[7][8][9][10][11] Giffords was holding the meeting, called "Congress on Your Corner", in the parking lot of a Safeway store when Jared Lee Loughner drew a pistol and shot her in the head before proceeding to fire on other people.[8][9]

Guess what we find right wing rhetoric
Following the shooting, American and international politicians expressed grief and condemnations. Gun control advocates pushed for increased restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition, specifically high-capacity magazines.[18] Some commentators criticized the use of harsh political rhetoric in the United States, with a number blaming the political right wing for the shooting. In particular, Sarah Palin was criticized for a poster by her political action committee that featured stylized crosshairs on an electoral map which included Giffords. Palin rejected claims that she bore any responsibility for the shooting.

Giffords on Palin's Crosshairs Map: "There Are Consequences to That Action" Gabrielle Giffords Warned of the Dangers of Palin's Crosshairs Map
Months before she was shot by a crazed gunman, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords warned of the dangers of Sarah Palin's rhetoric.

And another of Jim and his Right wing media biggest lie

the countless ambushes of cops which I have show via data from actual police sites which clearly show it doesn't exist

and also in Jim myopic view of the world police accountability By anyone is violent rhetoric toward police .. who should never be questioned ..

Jim in CT

11-02-2022, 08:53 AM

the targeting of kavanaugh, shooting of republicans at the congressional baseball game, and the countless ambushes of cops since democrats determined they could win elections by falsely portraying them
as racist assassins

you live in a fantasy and are in complete denial that your parties Rhetoric is part of their Daily message year after year..

then try to tie together incidents that happened years apart and think you are showing causation

the right has weak hand on the kavanaugh being targeted By Dems

now protesters are threats and of course 911 records show man accused in plot to kill Kavanaugh called police on himself

On wednesday “I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions,” Schumer said, turning to look at the Supreme Court building.

on thursday “I should not have used the words I used,” he said. “They didn’t come out the way I intended,” he explained, and added “my point was that there would be political consequences for President Trump and Senate Republicans if the Supreme Court, with the newly confirmed justices stripped away at a woman’s right to choose.”

“I shouldn’t have used the words I did, but in no way was I making a threat, I never, never would do such a thing.”
then he issued an apology

shooting of republicans at the congressional baseball game

On June 14, 2017, a mass shooting occurred during a practice session for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for Charity in Alexandria, Virginia, where six people were shot, including U.S. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, U.S. Capitol police officer Crystal Griner, congressional aide Zack Barth, and lobbyist Matt Mika, by 66-year-old James Hodgkinson. A ten-minute shootout took place between Hodgkinson and officers from the Capitol and Alexandria Police before officers shot Hodgkinson, who died from his wounds later that day at the George Washington University Hospital.[7][8] Scalise and Mika were taken to nearby hospitals where they underwent surgery.[9]

Hodgkinson was a left-wing political activist[10][11] from Belleville, Illinois, The Virginia Attorney General concluded Hodgkinson's attack was "an act of terrorism... fueled by rage against Republican legislators".[12] Scalise was the first sitting member of Congress to have been shot since Arizona Representative Gabby Giffords was shot in 2011.[13]

In a 2021 report, the FBI classified the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism, and the perpetrator of the shooting as a "domestic violent extremist" with a "personalized violent ideology.

again Jim where the violent rhetoric from the Dems its not here

I am Guessing you forgo

tOn January 8, 2011, U.S. Representative Gabby Giffords and 18 others were shot during a constituent meeting held in a supermarket parking lot in Casas Adobes, Arizona, in the Tucson metropolitan area. Six people were killed, including federal District Court Chief Judge John Roll; Gabe Zimmerman, one of Giffords's staffers; and a 9-year-old girl, Christina-Taylor Green.[7][8][9][10][11] Giffords was holding the meeting, called "Congress on Your Corner", in the parking lot of a Safeway store when Jared Lee Loughner drew a pistol and shot her in the head before proceeding to fire on other people.[8][9]

Guess what we find right wing rhetoric
Following the shooting, American and international politicians expressed grief and condemnations. Gun control advocates pushed for increased restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition, specifically high-capacity magazines.[18] Some commentators criticized the use of harsh political rhetoric in the United States, with a number blaming the political right wing for the shooting. In particular, Sarah Palin was criticized for a poster by her political action committee that featured stylized crosshairs on an electoral map which included Giffords. Palin rejected claims that she bore any responsibility for the shooting.

Giffords on Palin's Crosshairs Map: "There Are Consequences to That Action" Gabrielle Giffords Warned of the Dangers of Palin's Crosshairs Map
Months before she was shot by a crazed gunman, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords warned of the dangers of Sarah Palin's rhetoric.

And another of Jim and his Right wing media biggest lie

the countless ambushes of cops which I have show via data from actual police sites which clearly show it doesn't exist

and also in Jim myopic view of the world police accountability By anyone is violent rhetoric toward police .. who should never be questioned ..

"you live in a fantasy and are in complete denial that your parties Rhetoric is part of their Daily message year after year.."

I agree with that, I'm not in denial. We would do well to done it down. You are the one in denial, you'll deny your side also does it all day long, every single day.

Conservatives are a threat to democracy, we hate blacks, hate women, hate gays, hate latinos, blah blah blah. All day, every day, non stop.

"then try to tie together incidents that happened years apart and think you are showing causation "

Ambushes of cops (random ambushes) are not happening "years apart".

Antifa riots do not happen "years apart" from each other.

So whos in denial? The one who immediately concedes there's dangerous rhetoric on his own side? Or the one who denied there's dangerous rhetoric on his own side?

SO you point to the shooting of Giffords, and connect it to the attack on Pelosi. But those attacks were years apart. So as always, its wrong if I provide examples that are years apart, but totally fine when you do it.

How do you not see, that you are incapable of holding your side to any standards?

You have only one demand of the left - that they win. That's all that matters.

You might want to turn the TV off next week.

The Dad Fisherman

11-02-2022, 09:29 AM

How do you not see, that you are incapable of holding your side to any standards?
.

I’m going to go with Lead Paint
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Jim in CT

11-02-2022, 12:25 PM

I’m going to go with Lead Paint
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referring to lead paint is always funny.

i have 4 brothers. The 3 oldest had one bedroom, me and the youngest had the other bedroom. the older 3 are liberal to the point of almost being communists. I tell them all the time that my parents used lead paint in their room. i find it hilarious, them not so much.

wdmso

11-02-2022, 02:29 PM

How do you not see, that you are incapable of holding your side to any standards?

Thad funny as if you hold your side to any standards

Here’s the latest version of Republicans standards

Trump lawyers saw Clarence Thomas as key to stop Biden electoral count, emails show

In an email from Chesebro to Eastman and several others sent on Dec. 31, 2020, Chesebro argued that Thomas would “end up being key” to asking the high court to overturn then-President-elect Joe Biden’s win in contested states, and that they should “frame things so that Thomas could be the one to issue some sort of stay or other circuit justice opinion saying Georgia is in legitimate doubt.”

Your other problem Jim you want people to apply your version of standards. Bitching isn’t holding people to a standard

Not voting for them is ..

And you are on the Record saying you’d vote for Trump again showing who’s house had the lead paint
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wdmso

11-02-2022, 02:32 PM

I’m going to go with Lead Paint
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That funny coming from someone who stands for nothing but bitches about everything ..

You’re more like Trump than you lead on.
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wdmso

11-02-2022, 02:57 PM

Here are some standards for ya

White evangelical Protestants are the only major religious group in which a majority of adherents say they view Trump favorably (63%), roughly similar to the share in 2021 (67%),” the survey finds. Likewise, 54 percent believe in the “big lie” of a stolen election, compared with 28 percent of all Americans.

What the chances 99% are Republicans
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Jim in CT

11-02-2022, 03:25 PM

The Dad Fisherman

11-02-2022, 04:25 PM

That funny coming from someone who stands for nothing but bitches about everything ..

You’re more like Trump than you lead on.
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Actually I stand for plenty, and really don’t bitch about much here.

You’re just wrong…..again…..as usual.
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Pete F.

11-02-2022, 05:47 PM

Reading the state court filing in the Pelosi case, Paul Pelosi's courage and presence of mind in dealing with an attacker right in front of him stands in stark contrast to how some cowards in Congress responded to their own supporters attacking the Capitol on January 6
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scottw

11-02-2022, 06:07 PM

brandon's insane rambling tonight makes it pretty clear that the democraps are screwed next week :humpty:

Jim in CT

11-02-2022, 07:09 PM

brandon's insane rambling tonight makes it pretty clear that the democraps are screwed next week :humpty:

“it’s gonna take a few days to determine the results of the elections. and if you don’t accept the results we communicate, you’re a threat to democracy.”

sounds fair.

Yawol, herr oberst…

scottw

11-03-2022, 03:19 AM

brandon and his presidency are a complete disaster(and about to get worse)....apparently his only supporters are similarly mentally challenged, over-the-hill leftist loons :jester:

he sounds like a guys who knows he's about to spend the next two years getting impeached

you don't even have to cherry pick polls at this point..
5 very scary numbers for Democrats in the new CNN poll https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-midterm-elections/index.html

....I hope they roll brandon out there every night till the elections....

The Dad Fisherman

11-03-2022, 05:01 AM

My favorite part was “another “this is about the economy, stupid” election”

Pretty much says it all
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Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 06:00 AM

Pete F.

11-03-2022, 07:00 AM

I didn’t see Biden’s speech, but MAGA is pretty pissed about it. Must’ve been good then.
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The Dad Fisherman

11-03-2022, 07:08 AM

Biden speeches are always a ray of sunshine
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wdmso

11-03-2022, 07:21 AM

if you don’t accept the results we communicate, you’re a threat to democracy.”

Wow Jim you speak that as if that’s not what you’re kind of republicans have. Been spewing Since Trump lost..

You are in the you know what
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wdmso

11-03-2022, 07:29 AM

you’re speculating that a group that likes trump, is largely republican.

That’s brilliant. You really should be working at the FBI headquarters.

Guess you missed the evangelical part

Your denial is breath taking
More gop standards

RNC votes to censure Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger over work with Jan. 6 panel

For putting country before party aka telling the truth

That’s some standards
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wdmso

11-03-2022, 07:38 AM

The case with the mid terms is not Republicans may flip the house

The historical pattern is clear, and ominous for Joe Biden and Democrats this year: The president’s party usually does poorly in midterm elections.V

yet Where’s the Red wave the rights been bragging about

Even with all the doom and gloom being spread by Republicans. It clearly tighter and that makes them uncomfortable..

And the usual suspects are trying to spin this midterms it to some water shed moment.. it’s fun to watch
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wdmso

11-03-2022, 07:42 AM

PaulS

11-03-2022, 07:57 AM

Scott - have you been living in SF as there are parts of Depape who sound just like you.

SAN FRANCISCO — After an intruder broke into the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and bludgeoned her husband with a hammer, leaving him unconscious for three minutes as he lay in a pool of blood, the attacker told the police that he had other targets: a local professor and several prominent state and federal politicians.
The new details of the attack, which police officers say was motivated by the assailant’s desire to take Ms. Pelosi hostage, interrogate her and break her kneecaps if she “lied,” emerged on Tuesday from prosecutors as the suspect appeared in court for the first time.
The suspect, David DePape, 42, pleaded not guilty to several state felony charges after investigators say he broke into the Pelosi residence last week in the well-to-do Pacific Heights neighborhood and demanded to see Ms. Pelosi, the country’s third most powerful politician, who was in Washington at the time.
The filing by local prosecutors on Tuesday provided chilling details, including how Mr. Pelosi, in a terrifying situation, was able to surreptitiously call 911 while he was in the bathroom and the intruder was in the house. It also offered insights into a disturbed man seemingly enthralled by the conspiracy theories that have portrayed Ms. Pelosi as an enemy of the country.
After breaking into the home by slamming his body through a glass door on the back porch, the intruder found Mr. Pelosi, 82, asleep in his bedroom just after 2 a.m., according to the filing. He demanded to see Ms. Pelosi, and when he was told she wouldn’t be back for days, the suspect said he would wait for her.
Mr. Pelosi, sitting on his bed, asked why.
“Well, she’s No. 2 in line for the presidency, right?” the intruder said, according to the police. Soon after, he told Mr. Pelosi that “we’ve got to take them all out.”
At another point, when Mr. Pelosi asked if he could call anyone for Mr. DePape, the suspect “ominously responded that it was the end of the road for Mr. Pelosi,” the authorities said.
The police said that without any questioning, Mr. DePape told them that he was on a suicide mission. The authorities said he believed he had been captured by home security cameras and recorded on the 911 call, but remained undeterred.
The “defendant’s intent could not have been clearer,” the prosecutors wrote as they asked the court to detain Mr. DePape without bail, saying that he forced his way into the Pelosi home intending to take her hostage and “to seriously harm her.”
The latest filing came a day after federal prosecutors filed a complaint against Mr. DePape that said that he directly targeted Ms. Pelosi and intended to make an example of her to other members of Congress.
“I’m sick of the insane #^&#^&#^&#^&ing level of lies coming out of Washington, D.C.,” he told officers at the scene, according to the local filing. “I came to have a little chat with his wife.”
During the 911 call that prompted a dispatcher to send officers, Mr. Pelosi left the phone on speaker and, trying to keep the assailant calm, was able to gently imply to the dispatcher that something was amiss.
At one point, to defuse the situation, prosecutors wrote, Mr. Pelosi told the dispatcher that he didn’t need the police. When the dispatcher told him to call back if he changed his mind, he said, “No, no, no, this gentleman just, uh, came into the house, uh, and he wants to wait for my wife to come home.”
In the days since the attack, those who know Mr. DePape have described a shy man who once seemed to live the lifestyle of a Bay Area hippie, making hemp jewelry and attending protests against a ban on public nudity, but who in recent years fell into homelessness, isolation and darkness, spending his time immersed in an online world of conspiracy theories and bigotry.
About six years ago, according to his most recent employer, Mr. DePape was down on his luck, living under a tree in a park and hanging around outside a lumber store in Berkeley, Calif., looking for work.
“You know how people sit outside and wait for someone to come and offer them work?” recalled Frank Ciccarelli, a carpenter who builds houses and makes furniture. “He was sitting there. So I picked him up. So he started working for me. And he really worked out well.”
For the next several years, Mr. Ciccarelli became close to Mr. DePape, even as he worked less and seemed to spend more time online, immersed in right-wing conspiracy theories — right up until a week ago, when he paid Mr. DePape his most recent wages.
At his court appearance on Tuesday, Mr. DePape, with long brown hair, wore a jail uniform of a long-sleeve orange shirt and orange pants, as well as a black face mask. He did not turn around to face the assembled news outlets, but his attorney spoke in his ear several times and he nodded. When the judge asked him if he was prepared to waive his right to a hearing within 10 days, Mr. DePape nodded slightly and said, “Yes.”
Mr. DePape was assigned a public defender, Adam Lipson, to represent him. In comments after Tuesday’s court appearance, Mr. Lipson said that Mr. DePape was recently moved to the county jail from a hospital, where he was treated for a dislocated shoulder he sustained during the arrest.
Mr. Lipson promised to mount a “vigorous defense” and signaled that one possible strategy could be to highlight his client’s “vulnerability” to the misinformation and conspiracy theories that have become so prominent in American political life.
Mr. Ciccarelli, 76, described Mr. DePape as a quiet person and diligent worker — an easygoing guy, at least until the topic of politics came up. He said he spent several hours a day with Mr. DePape, four or five days a week. “I think I know him better than anyone does.”
Over the six years he has known Mr. DePape, Mr. Ciccarelli said, he witnessed a transformation from a shy and hardworking, but troubled, man into someone who was increasingly isolated and captive to his darkest thoughts.
“If you got him talking about politics, it was all over,” Mr. Ciccarelli recalled in an interview this week. “Because he really believed in the whole MAGA, ‘Pizzagate,’ stolen election — you know, all of it, all the way down the line His responses all were very snarky and he ended up losing the few friends he had.”
The state charges against Mr. DePape came on Monday, along with several federal charges, including the attempted murder of Mr. Pelosi, who remains in intensive care at a local hospital after undergoing surgery on Friday, according to a person familiar with the situation. In a statement on Monday, Ms. Pelosi said her husband, “is making steady progress on what will be a long recovery process.”
Mr. DePape grew up in British Columbia in Canada and moved to California about two decades ago to pursue a relationship with a woman he had met in Hawaii. For a time, he house-sat for a woman in the East Bay area who ran an urban farm for low-income residents, and sometimes helped take care of the chickens.
From 2002 to 2009, Mr. DePape was registered to vote in San Francisco County and declared himself affiliated with the Green Party, according to county records that showed he voted once, in 2002. He attested to being eligible to vote.
After working together for a few years, Mr. Ciccarelli helped Mr. DePape get away from the streets, moving him into a friend’s garage studio in Richmond, Calif.
“Once he was housed, he had much more time to spend on his computer, Unfortunately he became a troll.” Mr. Ciccarelli said. “Because when you’re living under a tree, you don’t have a plug.”
On Saturday, the F.B.I. raided the garage in Richmond and seized two hammers, a sword and a pair of gloves.
As he spent more time on his computer in recent months, Mr. DePape appeared to have produced a voluminous record of his political leanings — ranting about the 2020 election being stolen, appearing to deny the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz and claiming that schoolteachers were grooming children to be transgender. Mr. DePape’s blog was registered at the Richmond address where he resided.
Mr. Ciccarelli, who said he was scheduled to work with Mr. DePape on Monday, said he never heard Mr. DePape make racist comments, but said he had become increasingly isolated the last few years and wanted to work less in the carpentry business.
“He was completely caught up in the fantasy, in the MAGA fantasy, ” he said.
Over the last few days, Mr. Ciccarelli has struggled to make sense of the news about his friend. “He did a monstrous thing, but he’s not a monster,” he said. “He’s really decent, gentle — it sounds crazy to say gentle — but he was a very gentle soul. But he was going downhill. He went down the rabbit hole.”

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 08:45 AM

paul the most likely explanation all along was a political hit job. but he’s insane.

Here’s a question for you. I wouldn’t care what any other lefties would respond to this, but i’m curious to know your reaction.

If you want to blame the GOP for this, then using that logic, don’t we also blame democrats for the shooting of republicans at the congressional softball game, for the assassination plot against Kavanaugh? If wnot, what’s the difference?

I really think we need to dial the rhetoric down. But the inflammatory rhetoric is not used exclusively by the right. I’m not saying the right doesn’t use language i think is inflammatory, we do it all the time. But so does the left.

In Bidens speech last night, naturally he said it was evil
to question the integrity of our elections. But Hilary is in tv saying the gop is planning to steal the 2022 and even the 2024 elections. Why is it ok when she does it?

Let’s tone down the rhetoric, have standards that we apply equally to everyone, and spend more time talking about which policies work and which don’t work.

scottw

11-03-2022, 08:46 AM

the leftist loons are gonna be pretty cranky...this should be fun :rotf2:

scottw

11-03-2022, 08:49 AM

paul the most likely explanation all along was a political hit job. but he’s insane.

when someone attacks a politician verbally or physically, it's usually politically motivated...AOC was verbally attacked recently by her own supporters because they believe she's sold them out....maybe this illegal hippie blm supporting rainbow flag waving child transitioning drug doing nut felt like nancy sold him out....or maybe he just wanted stock tips?

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 08:51 AM

when someone attacks a politician verbally or physically, it's usually politically motivated...AOC was verbally attacked recently by her own supporters because they believe she's sold them out....maybe this illegal hippie blm supporting rainbow flag waving child transitioning drug doing nut felt like nancy sold him out....or maybe he just wanted stock tips?

they are world class stock pickers!

PaulS

11-03-2022, 09:21 AM

paul the most likely explanation all along was a political hit job. but he’s insane.agreed

Here’s a question for you. I wouldn’t care what any other lefties would respond to this, but i’m curious to know your reaction.

If you want to blame the GOP for this, then using that logic, don’t we also blame democrats for the shooting of republicans at the congressional softball game, for the assassination plot against Kavanaugh? If wnot, what’s the difference?The difference is that in the past when someone on either side got attacked/shot/etc it was over policy issues(taxes, the border, etc). This idiot believed the conspiracies spread by many Rs. If he says that he believed Trump won and the election was a fraud that can be tied directly to Trump, many in his admin. and many Rs.

I really think we need to dial the rhetoric down. But the inflammatory rhetoric is not used exclusively by the right. I’m not saying the right doesn’t use language i think is inflammatory, we do it all the time. But so does the left.agreed

In Bidens speech last night, naturally he said it was evil
to question the integrity of our elections. But Hilary is in tv saying the gop is planning to steal the 2022 and even the 2024 elections. Why is it ok when she does it?She is not the ex Pres for one and I'd have to see her full quotes.

Let’s tone down the rhetoric, have standards that we apply equally to everyone, and spend more time talking about which policies work and which don’t work.

NM

PaulS

11-03-2022, 09:24 AM

the leftist loons are gonna be pretty cranky...this should be fun :rotf2:

Ok snarky troll. You sound like DePage.

If (prob) the Rs take back the house and possibly the Sen. it will be interesting to see the comments here compared to 2 years ago when the Ds won all three seats.

scottw

11-03-2022, 09:49 AM

Ok snarky troll. You sound like DePage.

^^^I think you have something here, you should repeat this as often as possible, it makes you sound thoughtful

If (prob) the Rs take back the house and possibly the Sen. it will be interesting to see the comments here compared to 2 years ago when the Ds won all three seats.

?huh?

PaulS

11-03-2022, 10:04 AM

?huh?

Read what his former employer said about him.

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 10:39 AM

NM

"The difference is that in the past when someone on either side got attacked/shot/etc it was over policy issues(taxes, the border, etc)."

So it's less outrageous that the guy who planned to kill Kavanaugh, can say it was because of abortion? The fact that he can connect it to a policy decision that actually happened, makes it less vile than attacking Mr Pelosi because of the the lie that the election was stolen?

And what policy issue was the motive behind the shooting of 6 republicans at the congressional softball game?

God almighty man...you're saying it's less horrible to attack a politician over an actual policy position, than to attack a politician over a made up policy position? So it's more tolerable to kill republicans if you oppose the Trump tax cuts, than it is to kill a democrat because you think they're soft on crime?

Whew.

If you really believed what you just said, why aren't you condemning Hilary for already saying the GOP will steal the 2022 and 2024 elections?

Have fun answering that one.

PaulS

11-03-2022, 10:45 AM

"The difference is that in the past when someone on either side got attacked/shot/etc it was over policy issues(taxes, the border, etc)."

So it's less outrageous that the guy who planned to kill Kavanaugh, can say it was because of abortion? The fact that he can connect it to a policy decision that actually happened, makes it less vile than attacking Mr Pelosi because of the the lie that the election was stolen?

And what policy issue was the motive behind the shooting of 6 republicans at the congressional softball game?

God almighty man...you're saying it's less horrible to attack a politician over an actual policy position, than to attack a politician over a made up policy position? never said thatSo it's more tolerable to kill republicans if you oppose the Trump tax cuts, than it is to kill a democrat because you think they're soft on crime?Pls. point out where I said anything remotely close to that?

Whew.

If you really believed what you just said, why aren't you condemning Hilary for already saying the GOP will steal the 2022 and 2024 elections?

Have fun answering that one.Ok douchebag

I showed his actions are directly tied to lies by Trump, his admin. and many Rs, not policy decisions. The guys who shot giffords and scalise did it bc of their policies - not because they were brainwashed by Trump or Hillary.

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 10:50 AM

I showed his actions are directly tied to lies by Trump, his admin. and many Rs, not policy decisions. The guys who shot giffords and scalise did it bc of their policies - not because they were brainwashed by Trump or Hillary.

Paul, you said the difference was that previous shootings were based on policy, and this one was based on the lie of election fraud.

So if we somehow found out that the 2020 election was stolen, you'd have a better opinion of the guy who attacked Pelosi?

"Ok douchebag"

But I'm angry.

PaulS

11-03-2022, 10:57 AM

Paul, you said the difference was that previous shootings were based on policy, and this one was based on the lie of election fraud.

So if we somehow found out that the 2020 election was stolen, you'd have a better opinion of the guy who attacked Pelosi?It wouldn't change my opinion of him. What would change is that I wouldn't blame Trump, his admin. and many Rs.

"Ok douchebag"If you in anyway thinks saying "Have fun with that" isn't rude as sheet you better ask someone.

But I'm angry.

NM

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 11:11 AM

NM

Trying to follow you...

You blame Trump for the Pelosi attack, because Trump invented the lie that the attacker was motivated by. Even though Trump never told anyone to attack Pelosi due to election fraud.

But you won't say anything about Schumer and Kavanaugh, even though Schumer explicitly threatened Kavanaugh. You give Schumer a pass because Kavanaugh actually did vote to overturn Roe?

PaulS

11-03-2022, 11:31 AM

Trying to follow you...

You blame Trump for the Pelosi attackThe blame lies with the individual who did it. But Trump and the Rs deserve criticism for making up a lie that lead a damaged idiot to attack Pelosi, because Trump invented the lie that the attacker was motivated by. Even though Trump never told anyone to attack Pelosi due to election fraud.

But you won't say anything about Schumer and Kavanaugh, even though Schumer explicitly threatened KavanaughIt there is a threat K can go to the police.. You give Schumer a pass because Kavanaugh actually did vote to overturn Roe?

That is right.

“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
“Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
“Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

So do you have a link to Hillary's statement?

scottw

11-03-2022, 11:33 AM

Read what his former employer said about him.

compared to 2 years ago when the Ds won all three seats. [/QUOTE]

?huh?

scottw

11-03-2022, 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulS

"Ok douchebag"

[/QUOTE]

Mr. Civility is never going to be a moderator.....

scottw

11-03-2022, 11:37 AM

“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
“Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
“Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

is this hillary or al gore?

PaulS

11-03-2022, 11:56 AM

compared to 2 years ago when the Ds won all three seats.

?huh?[/QUOTE]

Read what his former employer said about him and how he felt sorry for Depage - Depage sounds like you.

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 12:31 PM

scottw

11-03-2022, 12:43 PM

?huh?

Read what his former employer said about him and how he felt sorry for Depage - Depage sounds like you.[/QUOTE]

I don't care what was said about him, just curious what three seats you are talking about?

PaulS

11-03-2022, 12:57 PM

Read what his former employer said about him and how he felt sorry for Depage - Depage sounds like you.

I don't care what was said about him, just curious what three seats you are talking about?[/QUOTE]

You should care. People look down on snarky trolls such as yourself.

scottw

11-03-2022, 01:03 PM

I don't care what was said about him, just curious what three seats you are talking about?

You should care. People look down on snarky trolls such as yourself.[/QUOTE]

yeah...I really don't

PaulS

11-03-2022, 01:08 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1235002]That is right.

“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
“Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
“Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

Schumer gets a complete free pass for explicitly threatening Kavanaugh. But you're not partisan, no sirr-eee.

Video of Hilary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkYImjpllu4

Thank you posting. I listened to the first 2:30 and here is what she said.

“Right wing extremists already have a plan to steal the next presidential election. And they’re not making a secret of it. The right wing-controlled Supreme Court may be poised to rule on giving state legislatures the power to overturn presidential elections, if that happens the 2024 election could be determined by Republican-controlled state legislatures rather than the popular vote or the “anachronistic electoral college” but by states legislatures.

So everything she said is all true. How is throwing out the votes of the population and having the state legislature saying who won not "stealing" an election? Isn't that what you hear Russia doing and 3rd world countries do, for which we rightly criticize?

PaulS

11-03-2022, 01:09 PM

You should care. People look down on snarky trolls such as yourself.

yeah...I really don't[/QUOTE]

That is obvious

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 01:19 PM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1235010]

Thank you posting. I listened to the first 2:30 and here is what she said.

“Right wing extremists already have a plan to steal the next presidential election. And they’re not making a secret of it. The right wing-controlled Supreme Court may be poised to rule on giving state legislatures the power to overturn presidential elections, if that happens the 2024 election could be determined by Republican-controlled state legislatures rather than the popular vote or the “anachronistic electoral college” but by states legislatures.

So everything she said is all true. How is throwing out the votes of the population and having the state legislature saying who won not "stealing" an election? Isn't that what you hear Russia doing and 3rd world countries do, for which we rightly criticize?

ok einstein. her baseless accusations of prospective theft that hasn’t happened yet, that’s ok

it’s only bad when republicans make baseless accusations of theft.

having legislatures certify elections is stealing, if they undo the results of the election. if they just certify what actually happened, how is that theft, Einstein?

everything, absolutely everything is ok when liberals do it. Schumer can explicitly threaten a supreme
court judge. no problem, he’s a democrat!!kavanaugh can just call the police.

that comment, that schumer didn’t do anything wrong because kavanaugh can call police, is when your credibility joined Pete’s and wayne’s.

using your logic, pelosi could have just called the police. heck they were already watching his house, they just missed it. using your logic, it’s not trumps fault.

PaulS

11-03-2022, 01:46 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1235016]

ok einstein.

:cheers:

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1235018]

:cheers:

douche bag is ok, but einstein isn’t.

paul it was a very weak argument even by democrat standards. Schumer has no blame, because kavanaugh can just call a cop if he’s threatened.

Why doesn’t that apply to paul pelosi?

Not only did Schumer threaten Kavanaugh, the feds also ignored federal law and let people
protest outside Kavanaughs house.

PaulS

11-03-2022, 02:24 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1235019]

douche bag is ok, but einstein isn’t.

You still don't get it. You insult me I will insult you back. The douche bag insult was in response to your insult. So I've stopped responding bc you can't help yourself.

Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 02:41 PM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1235020]

You still don't get it. You insult me I will insult you back. The douche bag insult was in response to your insult. So I've stopped responding bc you can't help yourself.

and the thousands of times Hilary said Trump was illegitimate, that was ok, because why exactly? Did trump win fair and square Paul?

You finally got something right. I sure don’t get it. Don’t get how you guys keep a straight face.

If you can’t criticize Schumer, then unless trump put a contract out on Pelosi, you’ve got no business saying anything about Trump connected to it.

Did Trump win fair and square in 2016? If so, why was it ok for hilary to be an election denier?

wdmso

11-03-2022, 04:20 PM

If so, why was it ok for hilary to be an election denier?

You get that from a cult meeting?

Now you are changing the definition what election denial is..

Clinton concedes to Trump: 'We owe him an open mind'

What happen to having standards
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Pete F.

11-03-2022, 06:18 PM

The last words the jury heard before the prosecutors rested their case - Defendant Elmer Rhodes saying: “We should have brought rifles. We could have fixed it right then & there. I’d hang f**king Pelosi from the lamppost.” In the courtroom, you could have heard a firing pin drop.
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Jim in CT

11-03-2022, 07:00 PM

If so, why was it ok for hilary to be an election denier?

You get that from a cult meeting?

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SO you're denying that she called Trump illegitimate, and youre denying that she said "you can be the better candidate and have it stolen from you.".

I'm making that up?

And she's already saying the GOP is stealing the 2024 election.

Pete F.

11-04-2022, 08:06 AM

Marjorie Taylor Greene got the Trump rally crowd to boo Paul Pelosi. In case you were wondering where the Republican Party is in 2022.
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Pete F.

11-04-2022, 08:13 AM

SO you're denying that she called Trump illegitimate, and youre denying that she said "you can be the better candidate and have it stolen from you.".

I'm making that up?

And she's already saying the GOP is stealing the 2024 election.

Just think, if it wasn't for monumental screw-ups, sabotage, lying, cheating and Russian interference, Hillary would be in the middle of her second term.

Thank God for Joe Biden.
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wdmso

11-04-2022, 09:04 AM

SO you're denying that she called Trump illegitimate, and youre denying that she said "you can be the better candidate and have it stolen from you.".

I'm making that up?

And she's already saying the GOP is stealing the 2024 election.

She conceded Jim you have no argument

Did read what she said

Hillary Clinton questions the integrity of 2024 election by already claiming 'right-wing extremists have a plan to STEAL it

Didn’t see the GOP mentioned

And Jim what makes you think she’s wrong.

Why is what Hillary is saying upsetting you?

But the long list of Republicans election denialists running for office
And have already tried. What makes you think they won’t Try again?

You could ask Clarence Thomas seeing he was pivotal to the last attempt

Doesn’t even get a comment from you
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Pete F.

11-04-2022, 09:10 AM

“They had a damn insider on SCOTUS”: Experts alarmed after Trump lawyer emails inadvertently leak
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wdmso

11-04-2022, 02:22 PM

With a map in hand, the activist zeroed in on sprawling Maricopa County, home to Phoenix and 60 percent of the state’s voters, and called for breaking it into four counties, one that would concentrate most Democrats and three that would favor Republicans.

GOP officials at every level who could thwart an election outcome unfavorable to the party. “Get a compliant governor,” Adams said, describing the strategy. “Get a compliant secretary of state. Get compliant legislative leadership.”

But the rights upset that Hillary said they have a plan

I just posted their plan not just for Arizona
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scottw

11-04-2022, 06:27 PM

I just posted their plan not just for Arizona

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have you been talking to QAnon?

scottw

11-04-2022, 06:32 PM

hmmmm....curious..."NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those details began circulating online."

"In a Today Show segment that aired Friday morning, NBC News anchor Miguel Almaguer reported that Pelosi reacted in an unusual way to the arrival of police officers after calling 911 because a deranged, underwear-clad man had broken into his house and was searching for his wife, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

“The front door was opened by Mr. Pelosi. He did not declare an emergency or try to leave his home, instead began walking several feet back towards the assailant and away from police,” Almaguer reported, citing “sources familiar with what unfolded in the Pelosi residence.”

The Dad Fisherman

11-04-2022, 06:43 PM

Ya don’t say….

Jim in CT

11-04-2022, 07:03 PM

Ya don’t say….

oh my god!!

Jim in CT

11-04-2022, 07:04 PM

The Dad Fisherman

11-04-2022, 07:16 PM

oh my god!!

South Park always “Goes There”
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scottw

11-05-2022, 03:23 AM

Depage sounds like PaulS......;)

wdmso

11-05-2022, 07:56 AM

have you been talking to QAnon?

You do hate the Truth? why is that so hard for you ..

But you are still running with the underwear story. Lol and I’ve been talking to QAnon. Yet you’re carrying their card.
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PaulS

11-05-2022, 11:04 AM

Depage sounds like PaulS......;)

Does he really? I still think it's hilarious that his ex boss and newspapers look down on people who are snarky and are trolls. Which is exactly what you are a snarky troll.
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Jim in CT

11-05-2022, 11:33 AM

You do hate the Truth? why is that so hard for you ..

But you are still running with the underwear story. Lol and I’ve been talking to QAnon. Yet you’re carrying their card.
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NBC, not fox news, says that paul pelosi answered the door when the cops showed up. and that he wasn’t concerned that the intruder was there.

Jim in CT

11-05-2022, 11:49 AM

releasing body cam footage would immediately end the speculation.

PaulS

11-05-2022, 01:22 PM

Some parts of the C&P are hard to read

How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack
By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. Thompson Nov. 5, 2022

WASHINGTON — Within hours of the brutal attack last month on Paul Pelosi, the husband of the speaker of the House, activists and media outlets on the right began circulating groundless claims — nearly all of them sinister, and many homophobic — casting doubt on what had happened.

Some Republican officials quickly joined in, rushing to suggest that the bludgeoning of an octogenarian by a suspect obsessed with right-wing conspiracy theories was something else altogether, dismissing it as an inside job, a lover’s quarrel or worse.

The misinformation came from all levels of Republican politics. A U.S. senator circulated the view that “none of us will ever know” what really happened at the Pelosis’ San Francisco home. A senior Republican congressman referred to the attacker as a “nudist hippie male prostitute,” baselessly asserting that the suspect had a personal relationship with Mr. Pelosi. Former President Donald J. Trump questioned whether the attack might have been staged.

The world’s richest man helped amplify the stories. But none of it was true.

Here are 21 of the elected officials, candidates and other prominent figures who spread misinformation or cast doubt on the attack.
In tweets, podcasts and TV appearances, these figures questioned whether the public was being told the full story of what happened and in some cases spread theories that were unfounded.
Elected officials and candidates
Photo of Senator Ted Cruz
Senator Ted Cruz

Republican of Texas

Amplified doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
Photo of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene

Republican of Georgia

Suggested Mr. Pelosi knew his attacker.
Photo of Representative Clay Higgins
Representative Clay Higgins

Republican of Louisiana

Suggested the attack involved male prostitution.
Photo of Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson
Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson

Republican of North Carolina

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
Photo of Mary Williams Benefield
Mary Williams Benefield

Republican statehouse candidate, Georgia

Suggested the attack might have been staged.
Photo of Royce White
Royce White

Republican statehouse candidate, Minnesota

Claimed the attack involved an extramarital gay affair.
Photo of State Senator Wendy Rogers
State Senator Wendy Rogers

Republican of Arizona

Suggested the attack might have been staged.
Photo of State Representative Anthony Sabatini
State Representative Anthony Sabatini

Republican of Florida

Suggested that the Pelosis are hiding vital information.
Photo of Representative Claudia Tenney
Representative Claudia Tenney

Republican of New York

Amplified a conspiracy theory about an extramarital gay affair.
Prominent figures
Photo of Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck

Conservative commentator

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
Photo of Tucker Carlson
Tucker Carlson

Fox News host

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
Photo of Dinesh D’Souza
Dinesh D’Souza

Conservative commentator

Claimed the attack involved an extramarital gay affair.
Photo of Ryan Fournier
Ryan Fournier

Founder, Students for Trump

Claimed details about the attacker were fabricated.
Photo of Sebastian Gorka
Sebastian Gorka

Former Trump adviser and podcast host

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
Photo of Pete Hegseth
Pete Hegseth

Fox News host

Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
Photo of Megyn Kelly
Megyn Kelly

Talk show host

Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
Photo of Elon Musk
Elon Musk

Chief executive of Twitter and Tesla

Amplified a conspiracy theory about male prostitution.
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Devin Nunes

Former representative of California

Repeated a false report that the attacker was in his underwear.
Photo of Michael Savage
Michael Savage

Talk show host

Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
Photo of Roger Stone
Roger Stone

Trump associate

Suggested the attack was staged.
Photo of Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump

Former president

Suggested the attack was staged.
The flood of falsehoods showed how ingrained misinformation has become inside the G.O.P., where the reflexive response of the rank and file — and even a few prominent figures — to anything that might cast a negative light on the right is to deflect with more fictional claims, creating a vicious cycle that muddies facts, shifts blame and minimizes violence.

It happened after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, which was inspired by Mr. Trump’s lie of a stolen election, and in turn gave rise to more falsehoods, as Republicans and their right-wing allies tried to play down, deny or invent a different story for what happened, including groundlessly blaming the F.B.I. and antifa. Mr. Pelosi’s attacker is said to have believed some of those tales.

“This is the dynamic as it plays out,” said Brian Hughes, a professor at American University who studies radicalism and extremism. “The conspiracy theory prompts an act of violence; that act of violence needs to be disavowed, and it can only be disavowed by more conspiracy theories, which prompts more violence.”

The Justice Department moved swiftly to bring criminal charges against the suspect in the attack, David DePape, 42, who prosecutors said broke into the Pelosi home intending to kidnap Ms. Pelosi and shatter her kneecaps, and assaulted her husband with a hammer, leaving him with a cracked skull. The San Francisco district attorney said it was imperative for prosecutors to present the facts to the public, given the misinformation circulating widely about the case.

But by then, it was far too late. In a pattern that has become commonplace, a parade of Republicans — helped along by right-wing media personalities including the Fox New host Tucker Carlson, and prominent people including the newly installed Twitter owner Elon Musk, the world’s wealthiest man — had already abetted the viral spread of lies about the attack, distorting the account of what happened before facts could get in the way. Finding life on far-right websites and the so-called dark web, conspiracy theories and falsehoods leaped from the fringes to the mainstream.

Fringe Websites and Mainstream Figures
Thousands of posts containing conspiracy theories about the attack were shared on message boards, social media and in comments sections of popular far-right sites, according to data from Pyrra, a company that tracks fringe social media. As the chatter picked up, several elected officials and mainstream right-wing influencers also shared their doubts about the attack.

Comments from fringe websites mentioning ...

“Prostitute” or similar terms

Other sex-related conspiracy theories

Doubts about the official account

12:23 p.m. A Fox affiliate in San Francisco

reports that the attacker was found in his

underwear. The error was later corrected.

Each

comment

FRIDAY, OCT. 28

6 P.M.

A conspiracy theory circulates widely

that the attack was the result

of a sexual affair.

9 P.M.

SATURDAY

3 A.M.

6 A.M.

9 A.M.

NOON

3 P.M.

6 P.M.

9 P.M.

SUNDAY

3 A.M.

8:15 a.m. Elon Musk, the new owner of

Twitter, tweets a link to a conspiracy website

that baselessly claims that Mr. Pelosi was

attacked by a male prostitute.

9 A.M.

Comments mentioning “prostitute” and

similar terms flood sites, reigniting

interest in the false theory.

NOON

5:06 p.m. On “The Big Sunday Show,”

a Fox News program, hosts raise doubts

about the official account.

6 P.M.

9 P.M.

MONDAY

3 A.M.

10:04 a.m. Representative Marjorie Taylor

Greene, Republican of Georgia, repeats the

conspiracy theory circulated by Mr. Musk

and calls the media the “source

of misinformation.”

7:06 p.m. Jesse Watters, the Fox News host,

raises doubts about the official account of the

attack, saying that glass appears to be broken

from inside the house.

9 P.M.

TUESDAY, NOV. 1

3 A.M.

6 A.M.

9 A.M.

NOON

8:43 p.m. Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host,

repeats the conspiracy theory shared by

Mr. Musk, joking that a prominent liberal

influencer would claim that “Paul Pelosi

couldn't be gay, not that it is a bad thing.”

9 P.M.

WEDNESDAY

3 A.M.

6 A.M.

9 A.M.

NOON

3 P.M.

Note: Roughly 9,500 comments that mentioned “Paul Pelosi” were analyzed from 16 websites and a service that provides commenting technology for online platforms. Key terms, such as ”prostitute,” were grouped into the categories shown.
While many Republican leaders denounced the violence and some, including former Vice President Mike Pence, expressed sympathy for the Pelosis, none of them publicly condemned the falsehoods their colleagues were elevating or did anything to push back on the false narrative. That left others to fill the void.

“Just produce the police body cam, — why is that so hard?” Mr. Carlson demanded on his show on Wednesday night. Addressing those criticizing the conspiracy theorizing, he added: “We’re not the crazy people; you’re the liars. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions, period.”

The disinformation surrounding the attack on Mr. Pelosi presented many of the standard elements of alt-right conspiracy theories, which relish a culture of “do your own research,” casting skepticism on official accounts, and tend to focus on lurid sexual activities or issues related to children, often driven by a fear of society becoming immoral.

Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation expert, said no amount of evidence — be it police body camera footage or anything else — could get in the way of such falsehoods in the eyes of those who do not want to believe facts.

“It doesn’t matter when there are documents or sworn testimony claiming something is, in fact, not the case,” Ms. Jankowicz said. “There will be an elaborate reframing effort. If the footage was released, people would claim it was fabricated. There’s no bottom.”

Many of the Republicans who amplified the fiction couched their comments as jokes, effectively pre-empting any criticism by suggesting they might not be serious. Hours after the attack, Donald Trump Jr., the former president’s son, shared online a viral image of a costume that included an oversized pair of men’s briefs and a hammer, remarking “the internet remains undefeated.”

A spokesman for Mr. Trump said he “simply posted a joke meme and has always rejected political violence in all forms.”

Representative Claudia Tenney, Republican of New York, circulated a photograph on Twitter that showed a group of young, white men holding oversized hammers beside a gay Pride flag, commenting simply: “LOL.”

Ms. Tenney did not respond to a request for comment.

It is not clear whether the elected officials and media personalities who have trafficked in falsehoods believe the conspiracy theories they are elevating, or simply want to be rewarded by their right-wing base. According to public polling, as many as 70 percent of Republicans still believe that Mr. Trump was the true winner of the 2020 election.

Mary Williams Benefield, a Republican running for a seat in Georgia’s statehouse, said she had responded online to a tweet suggesting the attack was staged because “the official narrative is unwilling to present all the facts.”

“Maybe their daughter has a film crew shooting a documentary on this too,” wrote the mother of three and former music teacher at a church school, making a reference to newly surfaced footage from a documentary Ms. Pelosi’s daughter Alexandra was filming that showed the speaker in a secure location during the Jan. 6 riot.

In an interview, Ms. Benefield brought up a report that the police have debunked, which wrongly asserted that the intruder was dressed only in his underwear. The Fox News affiliate that originally reported the detail issued a correction saying the article had previously “misstated what clothing the suspect was wearing.”

That did nothing to change Ms. Benefield’s mind.

“There’s a lot of questions that need to be asked before there’s any legitimacy,” she said.

According to federal charging documents, Mr. DePape was enthralled by the conspiracy theories that have portrayed Ms. Pelosi as an enemy of the country. His online activities show him ranting about the 2020 election being stolen, seeming to deny the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz and claiming that schoolteachers were grooming children to be transgender.

His attorney has said he planned to argue that Mr. DePape was so influenced by disinformation that it should be considered a mitigating circumstance.

wdmso

11-05-2022, 02:49 PM

NBC, not fox news, says that paul pelosi answered the door when the cops showed up. and that he wasn’t concerned that the intruder was there.

You really need to update your sources and do some due diligence

And who cares what NBC on Nov 4th. it’s the same info I posted except of course right wing sights like the national review NY post what to suggest a cover up?

The info below is also from Nov 4th

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/04/paul-pelosi-attack-details/8258324001/

Yes pelosi opened the door who said he didn’t. And he more likely was in his underwear he was in bed when attacked 2 a.m., from court records.

Pelosi, who was sleeping in a pajama top and boxer shorts,

The dispatcher asked for the man’s name and he replied, “My name is David.” When the dispatcher asked who David is, Paul Pelosi said he didn’t know.

I’m a friend of theirs,” DePape said

. To defuse the situation, Paul Pelosi told the dispatcher that he did not need police, fire, or medical assistance. But Pelosi then asked for Capitol Police because they are usually at the house protecting his wife. The San Francisco police dispatcher, Heather Grives, said he called city police and Pelosi said he understood.

At 2:31 a.m. – about two minutes after the 911 call ended – Police Officers Kolby Wilmes and Kyle Cagney arrived at the house. Wilmes rang the doorbell, but DePape told Pelosi not to open it.

Pelosi opened the door with his left hand. In the dimly lit foyer, Pelosi nervously but calmly greeted the officers.

“Everything’s good,” DePape replied, when the officers asked what was going on.

When an officer turned on his flashlight, police could see DePape was holding the hammer with one hand and Pelosi’s right arm with the other. Pelosi had his hand on the top of the hammer.

“Drop the hammer!” one officer said.

“Um, nope,” DePape allegedly replied

What is going on here?” an officer asked.

The blow knocked Pelosi unconscious. The two officers rushed into the house and tackled DePape and disarmed him.

Capitol Police cameras recorded break-in at Pelosi residence

Why do you need to see body cameras?

I’ll tell you . because you believe there’s been some conspiracy’s and the police are in on it. What else could it be?

Yet the Deep state couldn’t cover up his DUI. But someone’s trying to cover up this? Or it’s it’s a false flag operation.. it’s always the same thing with right wingers lies get more attention then truth

DePape is in the United States illegally, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson confirmed Thursday. He is a Canadian citizen who last entered the U.S. legally on a six-month tourist visa in 2008 and overstayed that visa.

I bet if he was brown fox would have been all over it
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wdmso

11-05-2022, 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1235109]Some parts of the C&P are hard to read

How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack
By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. Thompson Nov. 5, 2022u

Paul didn’t you know both sides do it. That’s the mantra of the faithful on the right with a twisted logic with them throwing out 3 examples ( all of whom apologized ) over a 10 years period

Against your list of all who spread lies and misinformation. In 1 day

All while Yelling see both sides do it actually believing what they are saying is True.
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Jim in CT

11-05-2022, 04:14 PM

Pete F.

11-05-2022, 04:14 PM

I see the Gathering Of Psychotics has found something else to be victimized by….
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wdmso

11-05-2022, 04:19 PM

[QUOTE=wdmso;1235113]

for the tenth time, NBC reported that paul pelosi answered the door and that he then walked back towards the intruder. Not foxnews, NBC.

how do you know, that NBC was lying? i’m curious.

Guessing you didn’t read one word of the play by play I posted

pelosi answered the door and that he then walked back towards the intruder.

What are you implying ?

Just Spit it out!
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Jim in CT

11-05-2022, 04:19 PM

Raider Ronnie

11-07-2022, 02:31 PM

oh my god!!

Multi million dollar security system, police with body cams……..
Glass door shattered outward, his own words to the police on the initial call, “he’s my friend”
Where is the 3rd guy that was there…… all of them in their fruit of the looms……….
WHERES THE SECURITY & body cam tapes 🤔
If 1 cop laid a finger on Paul Pelosi, CNN, MSNBC and the others would have been running that footage 24/7

wdmso

11-07-2022, 06:03 PM

wayne, do we know for sure pelosi answered the door?

if there was an intruder i. your house, and you’re 80 years old, and the lilies show up, you run towards the police

something seems weird, and releasing the body cam footage ends 100% of the crazy speculation.
Ya ok do you think the footage is going to change you or Ronnie’s minds

You’ll do what all conspiracy driven people do. Create a new conspiracy
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RIROCKHOUND

11-07-2022, 06:59 PM

Multi million dollar security system, police with body cams……..
Glass door shattered outward, his own words to the police on the initial call, “he’s my friend”
Where is the 3rd guy that was there…… all of them in their fruit of the looms……….
WHERES THE SECURITY & body cam tapes 🤔
If 1 cop laid a finger on Paul Pelosi, CNN, MSNBC and the others would have been running that footage 24/7

Damn, you fully drank the koolaid. What flavor do you like? Orange I presume?

Jim in CT

11-07-2022, 07:25 PM

Damn, you fully drank the koolaid. What flavor do you like? Orange I presume?

NBC ( not fox) reported that Pelosi let the police in, then after he let them in, he walked over to dave.

is that what one does when one is being held captive by an intruder Bryan? i’m not making that up. NBC reported that.

all they have to do, is release the body cam video.

scottw

11-08-2022, 05:37 AM

Damn, you fully drank the koolaid. What flavor do you like? Orange I presume?

this is so beneath you...:jester:

RIROCKHOUND

11-08-2022, 08:25 AM

NBC ( not fox) reported that Pelosi let the police in, then after he let them in, he walked over to dave.

is that what one does when one is being held captive by an intruder Bryan? i’m not making that up. NBC reported that.

all they have to do, is release the body cam video.

"Those people said Almaguer was incorrect when he reported that the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) gave police no indication he was in danger when he answered the door. In fact, San Francisco police have said that Pelosi was struggling with the intruder, David DePape, when they first saw him."

this is so beneath you...:jester:

Yeah, my fault for sticking my nose back in to the snark here. back to hiding. :hidin:

scottw

11-08-2022, 08:56 AM

"people"....that's a good one :kewl:

unnamed people said it was unreliable information from an unnamed source...these people are great!

I wonder how it made it to the broadcast?

RIROCKHOUND

11-08-2022, 09:32 AM

"people"....that's a good one :kewl:

unnamed people said it was unreliable information from an unnamed source...these people are great!

I wonder how it made it to the broadcast?

The rush for a scoop has infected all media nowadays...

scottw

11-08-2022, 09:36 AM

The rush for a scoop has infected all media nowadays...

yeah, I'm sure they were in a rush to cast doubt on the narrative :rotf3:

Jim in CT

11-08-2022, 11:03 AM

"Those people said Almaguer was incorrect when he reported that the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) gave police no indication he was in danger when he answered the door. In fact, San Francisco police have said that Pelosi was struggling with the intruder, David DePape, when they first saw him."

Yeah, my fault for sticking my nose back in to the snark here. back to hiding. :hidin:

this is a sincere question…if pelosi was struggling with intruder when police got there, how did the police get in? are they saying they let themselves in?

who are the “those people” who said Almaguer was wrong? and why are those people more credible?

look, the most likely scenario by far, is that it was an unknown crazy intruder. And my interest is really only that Pelosi recovers and the lunatic gets what’s coming to him.

But if the left is going to use it for political purposes ( which they obviously can’t do if it was a lovers quarrel gone wrong), THEN we all have the right to see the body cam footage, which would prove beyond doubt what it was.

Why not release the body cam footage? they do so all the time.

And i heard an audio of what was purported to be the police dispatcher relaying the call, where the dispatcher said the caller ( Pelosi) referred to the other person as “my friend dave”.

has that audio file been debunked? obviously some right wing jerk may have fabricated it. is that what happened?

Pete F.

11-08-2022, 12:46 PM

Many people are saying that the man who pelted Ted Cruz with a beer can is actually his gay lover who’s jealous he hasn’t left Heidi

As Elon said, there’s a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye
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Raider Ronnie

11-08-2022, 05:50 PM

Damn, you fully drank the koolaid. What flavor do you like? Orange I presume?

Ok
Answer 1 one points I made.
Where’s the home security video ?
Where’s the body cam video ?
How does a person break into a house and the glass shatters outward, he use a suction cup on the glass 🤔

wdmso

11-09-2022, 08:09 AM

Guess you never heard of laminated glass

It breaks but you need to pull it apart

And clearly he didn’t go in via the hole he just unlocked the door

The photo makes it’s quite obvious
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scottw

11-09-2022, 09:19 AM

And clearly he didn’t go in via the hole ....

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thanks for clearing that up :rollem:

wdmso

11-09-2022, 01:06 PM

thanks for clearing that up :rollem:

We know you would go for the Hole :btu:

PaulS

12-15-2022, 01:33 PM

nothing at yesterday's hearing about gay prostitutes, glass breaking from the inside or any of the other vile right wing insults/theories.

Jim in CT

12-15-2022, 02:21 PM

nothing at yesterday's hearing about gay prostitutes, glass breaking from the inside or any of the other vile right wing insults/theories.

vile tightening theory that was supported by NBc. all they need to do is release the body can video, hat ends the speculation.

Calling someone gay is an insult to you? I thought the left was all about celebrating them, why is that an insult?

Pete F.

12-15-2022, 03:07 PM

vile tightening theory that was supported by NBc. all they need to do is release the body can video, hat ends the speculation.
You do understand the difference between law and entertainment?

Calling someone gay is an insult to you? I thought the left was all about celebrating them, why is that an insult?

Many people are saying that the man who pelted Ted Cruz with a beer can is actually his gay lover who’s jealous he hasn’t left Heidi, but maybe it's Jim's (not that there's anything wrong with that........)

As Elon said, there’s a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye

PaulS

12-15-2022, 03:13 PM

Calling someone gay is an insult to you? I thought the left was all about celebrating them, why is that an insult?

Couldn't understand that gibberish (isn't that the word you use when you're trying to insult someone) in the 1st sentence.

Did I ever say or insinuate calling someone gay was an insult?

Pls. post up where I said that or else you lied.

PaulS

12-16-2022, 11:38 AM

Jim in CT

12-16-2022, 12:04 PM

Couldn't understand that gibberish (isn't that the word you use when you're trying to insult someone) in the 1st sentence.

Did I ever say or insinuate calling someone gay was an insult?

Pls. post up where I said that or else you lied.

you mentioned accusations of gay in the same sentence as right wing insults.

funny, when liberals are mad at Senator Lindsay Graham, they often fall back to the rumorst hat he’s gay. Again, using it as an insult.

I could care less if Paul Pelosi is gay or not and to the extent I care, i’d respect him more if he were, given who he’s married to. But the left used this for political gain, saying it was a right wing assassination attempt. The proof of that, is on the bodycam video. An NBC station in San Francisco, reported that those who saw the footage, said it looked like a lovers quarrel not an intruder. That’s a san francisco NBC affiliate, not fox news.

if they refuse to share the bodycam footage, , it’s natural to wonder why.

PaulS

12-16-2022, 12:17 PM

you mentioned accusations of gay in the same sentence as right wing insults.

funny, when liberals are mad at Senator Lindsay Graham, they often fall back to the rumorst hat he’s gay. Again, using it as an insult.

I could care less if Paul Pelosi is gay or not and to the extent I care, i’d respect him more if he were, given who he’s married to. But the left used this for political gain, saying it was a right wing assassination attempt. The proof of that, is on the bodycam video. An NBC station in San Francisco, reported that those who saw the footage, said it looked like a lovers quarrel not an intruder. That’s a san francisco NBC affiliate, not fox news.

if they refuse to share the bodycam footage, , it’s natural to wonder why.

You're a scummy liar.

Did you not see the word prostitute?

Jim in CT

12-16-2022, 01:53 PM

You're a scummy liar.

Did you not see the word prostitute?

i did. i also saw the word gay, before i saw the phrase that went something like “and other republican insults.”. i’ve also seen many liberals use Lindsay Graham’s rumored homosexuality as a club against him, which is interesting. that’s not scummy lying by me.

PaulS

12-16-2022, 02:41 PM

i did. i also saw the word gay, before i saw the phrase that went something like “and other republican insults.”. i’ve also seen many liberals use Lindsay Graham’s rumored homosexuality as a club against him, which is interesting. that’s not scummy lying by me.

Sure it is. Admit what you did was scummy.

PaulS

12-19-2022, 03:55 PM

Bumping this up to show what a scummy liar Jim is.

Jim in CT

12-19-2022, 04:58 PM

Bumping this up to show what a scummy liar Jim is.

your quote I responded to...

"nothing at yesterday's hearing about gay prostitutes, glass breaking from the inside or any of the other vile right wing insults/theories."

Paul, I don't think you are anti gay. I was teasing about a very legitimate interpretation of what you said. That the word "gay" is one of the right wing "insults".

And it is true, that when Senator Lindsay Graham angers liberals, they routinely attack him by resurrecting rumors that he's gay.

And I don't care if Paul Pelosi is gay, or if he was attacked by a random intruder. But the left chose to make this a political weapon, so we have the right to know the truth. All we need to do, is see the bodycam video. Obviously, those in control, don't want that bodycam video released. If the bodycam video showed the attacker beating Mr Pelosi while yelling "Trump paid me to do it!", obviously we'd have seen it. The logical conclusion is that we haven't seen the video, because those in charge don't like whats on there. That may well not be the case, but it's a logical conclusion.

And for scummy liars, I keep telling you that it was an NBC affiliate in San Francisco, who reported that those who saw the bodycam video, say it didn't look like an intruder. NBC, not foxnews.

So you are lying when you say it's only the rightwing perpetuating the myth. Unless you contend that the NBC affiliate in San Francisco is right wing. Is that what you're saying?

Make that wrong.

PaulS

12-19-2022, 05:23 PM

I don't have to make anything wrong. It's right there what you try to do
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PaulS

12-29-2022, 03:23 PM

Bumping this up again to show what a scummy liar Jim is.

Jim in CT

12-29-2022, 03:31 PM

Bumping this up again to show what a scummy liar Jim is.

because you’re humiliating yourself on the other thread, so why not do it here too?

the right wing nuts at NBC have reported repeatedly, that this looks like it could have been a lovers quarrel. releasing the body cam, would end all the speculation.

you got caught here, saying that being accused of being gay, is a vile insult. that’s on you.

PaulS

12-29-2022, 04:37 PM

because you’re humiliating yourself on the other thread, so why not do it here too?

the right wing nuts at NBC have reported repeatedly, that this looks like it could have been a lovers quarrel. releasing the body cam, would end all the speculation.

you got caught here, saying that being accused of being gay, is a vile insult. that’s on you.

You're lying again. It shows what a scummy person you are. I never said being gay was an insult. I said being with a gay prostitute was the lie the scummy Rs were throwing out there.

You lied about what I said (look at 133). You are a scummy person

Jim in CT

12-29-2022, 05:20 PM

You're lying again. It shows what a scummy person you are. I never said being gay was an insult. I said being with a gay prostitute was the lie the scummy Rs were throwing out there.

You lied about what I said (look at 133). You are a scummy person

why is being with a gay prostitute a more vile lie, than being with a heterosexual prostitute?

and what proof do you have,,that this was certainly a home invasion and not a lover situation? home invasion is clearly the most likely scenario, but NBC ( are they scummy republican liars) reported at least twice, on some details that cast some doubt on the home invasion explanation.

why not release the body cam video? seems to me it benefits the left to not release it. they can continue to make claims that are POSSIBLY refuted by the body cam video?

paul, are the folks at the NBC affiliate in San Francisco, a bunch of scummy republican liars?

PaulS

12-29-2022, 06:08 PM

Jim in CT

12-29-2022, 06:37 PM

Accusing someone of being with a prostitute whether gay or heterosexual is an insult. That is the insult the Republicans threw around. If it wasn't meant to be an insult why did the Republicans all use the word gay?
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Paul, I don't think for one second that you are anti gay.

The insult I hear, is that it was some kind of trist. It's not insane to believe that.

The GOP used the word gay in response to the unanimous initial reporting that teh GOP was responsible for the assault.

The attacker may have been motivated by politics. But NBC has reported evidence to the contrary, and it's interesting that you don't seem to want to comment on that.

Your side made this political. It's only fair to the GOP, then, if the truth comes out. The bodycam footage would end all debate once and for all. It's interesting that it hasn't been released.

If the democrats and the media are going to use this to smear the GOP, shouldn't they be required to reveal all the evidence? Why should the truth be kept secret while they make political attacks?

One could make a compelling case, that the left is afraid of the truth in this instance.

detbuch

12-29-2022, 08:26 PM

Accusing someone of being with a prostitute whether gay or heterosexual is an insult. That is the insult the Republicans threw around. If it wasn't meant to be an insult why did the Republicans all use the word gay?
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I'm old enough to remember when homosexuals were called homosexuals. It was a purely, biologically, psychologically, sociologically, descriptive word, but those who are called "gays" now objected then to being called homosexual because it somehow connoted an abnormal, devious, condition. So they chose to call themselves "gay" which used to be a word that denoted happiness, joy, good stuff, even better than just being normal such as heterosexuals supposedly were.

I'll never forget an incident when I was working behind the reference desk in our downtown library, a man asked for information on the subject. This was when "gay" had barely begun to make any headway at all as a term of use. So I gave him the file that was labeled homosexuality as a starter to peruse before finding him various books about it. He blew up in my face, and excoriated the library system for filing information under that title. He took it very personally as a homo--, er, "gay" person, claiming it was a derogatory word that painted a negative image of "gays." And went on and on about what bigots we were. I didn't engage in whatever debate he may have wanted to have or in whatever diatribe he wished to deliver. Just went about my business of getting him some more information. I doubted that any of it would use the label "gay" at that time. Hoped he wouldn't come back and call me out for discrimination and insensitivity for giving him such inflammatory literature--its all we had. The word "gay" in the manner he wanted to use it had not even begun to be the preferred term, (or the seemingly mandated term of today). One hardly ever, if ever, uses the word "gay" now to mean anything other than what used to be called homosexual. Just one of the many changes in the meanings of words that have "helped" to change our culture into becoming inclusive--and "nice."

Apparently, re Paul's post, even "gay" has reverted to being as insulting as "homosexual." Gotta keep changing these key words until we remake society into the "inclusion diversity and equity" model that will make us all happy. Though, if really nice and happy words, like "gay" used to be, still ain't good enough, one wonders even if we keep extending that peculiar sexual section of our vocabulary from homosexual, to gay, to perhaps "nice people," that will still be an insult for some reason or other.

Maybe homosexual is still homosexual, no matter what abuse we put language through. I don't consider homosexual to be derogatory. Why should it be, if its just a harmless matter of sexual choice?

Pete F.

12-29-2022, 10:32 PM

Does Jim have sex with goats?
I’m not saying he does!
I’m just asking.
Maybe Jim can give us definitive proof that he’s not a goat f’er who huffs nitrous and shouts “mommy” while he’s f’n goats.
I’m just asking questions, maybe Tucker can look into this or is he also part of the goat cabal?
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wdmso

12-30-2022, 09:04 AM

Jim in CT

12-30-2022, 09:19 AM

Pete. That’s a way below the belt and uncalled for you should delete it
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sincerely appreciated, but not necessary. his post doesn’t say anything about me, but says everything about him. and your response says everything about you, and that’s a sincere compliment. because i wasn’t always as courteous to you ( god knows) as i could have been, which makes your response even better.

have a great new year to you and your family wayne!

wdmso

12-30-2022, 09:20 AM

Pete F.

12-30-2022, 09:21 AM

Pete. That’s a way below the belt and uncalled for you should delete it
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“That may well not be the case, but it’s a logical conclusion.”

“And I don't care if Paul Pelosi is gay, or if he was attacked by a random intruder. But the left chose to make this a political weapon, so we have the right to know the truth. All we need to do, is see the bodycam video. Obviously, those in control, don't want that bodycam video released. If the bodycam video showed the attacker beating Mr Pelosi while yelling "Trump paid me to do it!", obviously we'd have seen it. The logical conclusion is that we haven't seen the video, because those in charge don't like whats on there. That may well not be the case, but And I don't care if Paul Pelosi is gay, or if he was attacked by a random intruder. But the left chose to make this a political weapon, so we have the right to know the truth. All we need to do, is see the bodycam video. Obviously, those in control, don't want that bodycam video released. If the bodycam video showed the attacker beating Mr Pelosi while yelling "Trump paid me to do it!", obviously we'd have seen it. The logical conclusion is that we haven't seen the video, because those in charge don't like whats on there. That may well not be the case, but it's a logical conclusion.”
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wdmso

12-30-2022, 09:26 AM

sincerely appreciated, but not necessary. his post doesn’t say anything about me, but says everything about him. and your response says everything about you, and that’s a sincere compliment. because i wasn’t always as courteous to you ( god knows) as i could have been, which makes your response even better.

have a great new year to you and your family wayne!

It is necessary. Wrong is wrong. I don’t mind having spirited arguments but I really don’t like going down the road of throwing insults like playing tennis.

I’ve never found anyone here not to be courteous it’s just sometimes the meaning of the message gets confused like in a text message Sometimes it’s hard to read peoples intent. Hell even my kids sometimes say I talk like a fortune cookie. And my writing is far worse.
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Pete F.

12-30-2022, 10:04 AM

It is necessary. Wrong is wrong. I don’t mind having spirited arguments but I really don’t like going down the road of throwing insults like playing tennis.

I’ve never found anyone here not to be courteous it’s just sometimes the meaning of the message gets confused like in a text message Sometimes it’s hard to read peoples intent. Hell even my kids sometimes say I talk like a fortune cookie. And my writing is far worse.
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I disagree
Jim consistently repeats unfounded accusations, with no basis in fact.

The Pelosi thing has been rebutted by everyone involved, it’s every bit as true as what I posted.
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Jim in CT

12-30-2022, 11:27 AM

I disagree
Jim consistently repeats unfounded accusations, with no basis in fact.

The Pelosi thing has been rebutted by everyone involved, it’s every bit as true as what I posted.
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The NBC affiliate in San Francisco reported that those who saw the bodycam footage, say it really didn't look like Pelosi was acting like these was a home invasion.

That's not from Foxnews, but from the NBC affiliate out there.

Releasing the bodycam footage would put an end to it. Someone obviously doesn't want that to happen.

I'm no conspiracy nut, I said the most likely explanation is a home invasion by a raving lunatic who may well have had political motives that made sense to his insane mind. But the fact is, NBC has reported some contradictory information. More than once. If you don't like that, take it up with NBC.

Jim in CT

12-30-2022, 11:32 AM

Pete F.

12-30-2022, 12:26 PM

The NBC affiliate in San Francisco reported that those who saw the bodycam footage, say it really didn't look like Pelosi was acting like these was a home invasion.

That's not from Foxnews, but from the NBC affiliate out there.

Releasing the bodycam footage would put an end to it. Someone obviously doesn't want that to happen.

I'm no conspiracy nut, I said the most likely explanation is a home invasion by a raving lunatic who may well have had political motives that made sense to his insane mind. But the fact is, NBC has reported some contradictory information. More than once. If you don't like that, take it up with NBC.

You’re either lying or willfully blind to the facts.

Those pushing the "gay lover" theory have pointed to a handful of purported pieces of evidence based on falsehoods and twisted storylines. They say that DePape was in his underwear when police arrived at the scene -- but the local TV station that originally reported that has since corrected its story and removed the assertion. Others have suggested that a third person opened the door to Pelosi's house, but police have debunked that.

Many of the theorists have latched on to a recording of a 911 dispatcher saying that Pelosi referred to DePape as "a friend" and "sounded somewhat confused."

But Pelosi seemed to be speaking in coded language on the 911 call to make clear he needed help, a law enforcement source previously told CNN. And the complaint notes that Pelosi told officers he had never seen DePape before.

The complaint also included an interview police did with DePape in which he admitted breaking into the house and said he surprised Pelosi. According to the complaint, DePape said that he wanted to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage because he viewed her as the "'leader of the pack' of lies told by the Democratic Party," and claimed he was "fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender."

Scott, the San Francisco chief, called the conspiracies surrounding the attack "pathetic" and "disturbing."

"We've spent a lot of energy just pushing back, really ridiculous conspiracy theories, to make sure people stay focused on our team," he said. "These things are harmful to society, they're harmful to the victims involved -- it's really sad that we are here in this place, but we are."

So how’s your goat like it?
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detbuch

12-30-2022, 12:30 PM

I don't consider homosexual to be derogatory. Why should it be, if its just a harmless matter of sexual choice?

See Jim that’s the problem it’s not about what you consider to be derogatory or offensive.

whether it’s derogatory or not, can only be decided by the person it’s being used against or towards

Not the speaker determination, that it’s not derogatory

I’ll give you an example my wife was trying to remember a girl she worked with temporarily on the floor with the oncoming nurse who’s black she couldn’t remember the girls name but she knew the girl was black but my wife referred to her as colored .

And the black nurse who is relieving her tore, her new one for using the term colored, basically telling her refer to her is black it’s offensive the color colored

If my wife’s mistake was unconscious one, and a lesson was learned

but there are people who use terms to incite intimidate, or embarrass others. It happened here a few days ago.

forced to bake queers cakes.
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The black nurse didn't have to tear your wife a new one unless she was consumed by a racial grievance that could only be relieved by striking out at someone she considered to be the cause, or part of the cause, of that grievance. The "lesson" I would have learned from such abusive behavior is that the black nurse had unresolved issues and that I would be better off not having many personal conversations with her for fear of inadvertently saying something "wrong." She could have politely told your wife that saying "colored" is offensive to her and please say black, if you don't mind. What any Blacks, Negros, Coloreds, Afro-Americans, personally wish to be called, is not that definitive or constant from time to time. To say that only they can decide what is derogatory is denying anyone else a use of language they don't personally consider derogatory. This is especially true if there is no standardized usage that for everyone is purely descriptive. When people take umbrage at words like "homosexual" or heterosexual or bisexual or asexual which have no inherent derogatory connotations and then decide to replace them with their own words, like "gay," they are insulting not only a language, but all of those who have used, and wish to use, that word to describe their own experiences--language is seized by a select few at the discouragement of anyone else from its appropriate use. That's a form of insult that is probably intended.

I still don't know what is the preferred or "correct" diction, Black or Afro-American. Black seems to be the choice of the day. But "people of color" in certain instances is quite OK--and very "inclusive" and a sort of self-satisfying jab/insult to "whites" who are excluded from the implicitly better group.

BTW, I've noticed that your writing has improved a lot, maybe from your daily back and forth on the forum. Still a ways to go. But keep it up, you'll eventually show your kids that you can do better than "fortune cookie" talk.

wdmso

12-30-2022, 01:13 PM

The black nurse didn't have to tear your wife a new one unless she was consumed by a racial grievance that could only be relieved by striking out at someone she considered to be the cause, or part of the cause, of that grievance. The "lesson" I would have learned from such abusive behavior is that the black nurse had unresolved issues and that I would be better off not having many personal conversations with her for fear of inadvertently saying something "wrong." She could have politely told your wife that saying "colored" is offensive to her and please say black, if you don't mind. What any Blacks, Negros, Coloreds, Afro-Americans, personally wish to be called, is not that definitive or constant from time to time. To say that only they can decide what is derogatory is denying anyone else a use of language they don't personally consider derogatory. This is especially true if there is no standardized usage that for everyone is purely descriptive. When people take umbrage at words like "homosexual" or heterosexual or bisexual or asexual which have no inherent derogatory connotations and then decide to replace them with their own words, like "gay," they are insulting not only a language, but all of those who have used, and wish to use, that word to describe their own experiences--language is seized by a select few at the discouragement of anyone else from its appropriate use. That's a form of insult that is probably intended.

I still don't know what is the preferred or "correct" diction, Black or Afro-American. Black seems to be the choice of the day. But "people of color" in certain instances is quite OK--and very "inclusive" and a sort of self-satisfying jab/insult to "whites" who are excluded from the implicitly better group.

BTW, I've noticed that your writing has improved a lot, maybe from your daily back and forth on the forum. Still a ways to go. But keep it up, you'll eventually show your kids that you can do better than "fortune cookie" talk.

unless she was consumed by a racial grievance

You act as if they got in a fight, and she wrote my wife up to HR

It’s not my or my wife’s place to criticize her response we’re not Black and no nothing of her past

If she called my wife a cracker and my wife tore her a new one I don’t think it would be because she was consumed by a racial grievance

But their are many who are absolutely driven by and consumed by a racial grievance. Just not this story
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wdmso

12-30-2022, 01:28 PM

I disagree
Jim consistently repeats unfounded accusations, with no basis in fact.

The Pelosi thing has been rebutted by everyone involved, it’s every bit as true as what I posted.
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I Just don’t think the bestiality comments are helpful

I do agree . the rights infatuation with the gay relationship angle with pelosi

Now the drag queens shows or books don’t forget groomers Everything is about sexuality
Or sexualizing

And yes Jim does present many unfounded accusations, with no basis in fact.

I am Just suggesting we all show a little more restraint in our counter points

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Pete F.

12-30-2022, 01:53 PM

I Just don’t think the bestiality comments are helpful

I do agree . the rights infatuation with the gay relationship angle with pelosi

Now the drag queens shows or books don’t forget groomers Everything is about sexuality
Or sexualizing

And yes Jim does present many unfounded accusations, with no basis in fact.

I am Just suggesting we all show a little more restraint in our counter points

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Actually I chose that because it was so exaggerated that it would not be taken as “true”.
Would it have been within the bounds to accuse him of a more acceptable fetish perhaps grooming, child abuse, sexual predation or any of the other typical Republican claims and/or behaviors?
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detbuch

12-30-2022, 03:10 PM

unless she was consumed by a racial grievance

You act as if they got in a fight, and she wrote my wife up to HR

Not at all. I never mentioned a fight nor HR. I responded to your " tore, her new one" which The Free Dictionary defines as "To criticize, berate, or upbraid one in an extremely belligerent and angry manner." I don't think that behavior was called for. As I said, she could have politely told your wife that the term she used was offensive to her and would prefer that she used "Black" instead. Her unjustifiably rude behavior indicates, at least to me, she had a grievance about what word your wife spoke, and since it was about a racial term, that the grievance was racial. Simply using an "incorrect" word is not a cause for belligerent anger.

It’s not my or my wife’s place to criticize her response we’re not Black and no nothing of her past

As a third party reading what you describe as criticizing your wife in a belligerent and angry manner, it's not out of the realm of my opinion to criticize the Black Nurse's belligerent criticism of your wife.

If she called my wife a cracker and my wife tore her a new one I don’t think it would be because she was consumed by a racial grievance

Perhaps your wife could have politely asked why she called her a cracker. Or she could be unnecessarily nasty and just tear her a new one . . . because . . . I don't know . . . if "cracker" is merely another word for "white" I can't conceive of any reason for your wife to be belligerent unless she had some kind of anger issue that rises to the surface when being called a cracker.

But their are many who are absolutely driven by and consumed by a racial grievance. Just not this story

If it rises to belligerent anger when being referred to as anything other than "Black" (even though some pigment of "Brown" would be more accurate), to me, something more than diction is going on and it certainly seems to be about race.

If I'm not mistaken, being "Black" is a pride thing. A racial pride. being referred to as vaguely "colored" can be perceived as an attack on racial purity, or as akin to being considered some mongrelized person of no distinct, proud, heritage or lineage. Being referred to as "brown" lumps one into the vast array of brown toned people--like the "People of color" moniker that is used as a somewhat useful and somewhat prideful collective distinction from the also vast array of "white" people.

The "Pride" distinctions are not very useful. On the contrary, they're needlessly divisive. On the other hand, if for various actual practical reasons someone's skin tone needs to be described--OK . . . but pride in skin tone--not so good.

I think your wife's intent in saying "colored" was, on the margins of describing someone in discussion, a practical, though perhaps clumsy, use of diction. It certainly didn't call for her being torn a new one.

Got Stripers

01-27-2023, 05:16 PM

Ok
Answer 1 one points I made.
Where’s the home security video ?
Where’s the body cam video ?
How does a person break into a house and the glass shatters outward, he use a suction cup on the glass 🤔

Well the video is out, there goes another one of your conspiracy theories out the window with the broken glass. Well I guess you could say it’s staged like the moon landing, yeah that might work for you.

spence

01-27-2023, 05:22 PM

Queue all the video of republicans making fun of him.

Pete F.

01-27-2023, 05:39 PM

We get to see an 80-year-old man get bludgeoned with a hammer (inc. his blood pooling on the floor) because our "politics" are so toxic that a judge (siding with news organizations) determined it was necessary to stop disinformation.

Notice what happened

They weren't "just asking questions."

They were spreading cruel and defamatory falsehoods against an almost fatally wounded man and his grieving family.

Then when the definitive rebuttal appears, they vanish - to repeat the same mean-spirited trick again and again.

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wdmso

01-27-2023, 05:51 PM

Sadly the Truth won’t set the GOPQ horde Free their parasites. Like fleas they’ll just go jump to new conspiracy
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PaulS

01-27-2023, 05:56 PM

Got Stripers

01-27-2023, 06:10 PM

The “law and order” party or at least a fair number were making fun of the attack and many questioning if it even went down the way it was reported.

Jim in CT

01-27-2023, 07:16 PM

The “law and order” party or at least a fair number were making fun of the attack and many questioning if it even went down the way it was reported.

it was reported multiple ways by NBC Bob. not foxnews, NBC. video and 911 call are strange in ways but looks more like an intruder than a tryst gone bad.

wdmso

01-27-2023, 08:57 PM

Yep right wingers still can’t let it go the fleas jumped now it’s

Body-Cam Footage Confirms Paul Pelosi Opened Door for Police, Contradicts DOJ Account

If you watch the body camera film clearly shows Pelosi didn’t open the door

wdmso

01-28-2023, 09:17 AM

This from MarjorieTaylorGreene who’s now on the homeland Security Committee?

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.): “… Paul Pelosi’s friend attacking him with a hammer.”

Other GOP elected officials

Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.): “That moment you realize the nudist hippie male prostitute LSD guy was the reason your husband didn’t make it to your fundraiser.” (Deleted.)

Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.): Shared a photo of a group of young men holding oversized hammers next to a gay pride flag and added, “LOL.” (Deleted.)

Conservatives media

That the attack was a false flag/didn’t happen
OAN: “This whole thing could be a false flag of sorts, staged if you will. I mean, the midterms are just weeks away and the Dems know they’re going to get hammered.”
OAN: “I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s hidden from public spotlight for a very long time. Just long enough for his injuries — his injuries, purported injuries — to go away.”

Fox News host Jesse Watters: “Now, there was glass broken at the rear door. We’ve seen those photos. But there looks like there’s glass on both sides, inside and out, and FBI sources are telling ‘Primetime’ that’s odd.”

Conservatives darling

Elon Musk, while linking to a website that labeled the attack “a dispute with a male prostitute”: “There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye.” (Musk deleted the tweet.)

Dinesh D’Souza: “Why was the assailant in his underpants?” (He wasn’t; this notion was based on reporting that was corrected shortly after it was published, two days before D’Souza’s comments.) “My conclusion? This guy, the assailant, is either a sexual partner or a male prostitute, and this is a sexual rendezvous that went sideways.”

Again it’s all in black and white or in audio recordings and the Right wing machine knows their viewers want lies not facts they want name calling and jerry springer outlandish statements and suggestions

Yep both sides do it.. lol
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wdmso

01-28-2023, 09:55 AM

From the Seattle times.

The Dad Fisherman

01-28-2023, 10:03 AM

Now do the Jussie Smolette incident :hihi:
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spence

01-28-2023, 10:10 AM

it was reported multiple ways by NBC Bob. not foxnews, NBC. video and 911 call are strange in ways but looks more like an intruder than a tryst gone bad.
No they didn’t. It was a local affiliate who promptly retracted the reporting when they realized it didn’t have a credible source. Quit making things up.

I dealt with a home invasion four years ago, trust me it is surreal. I wish I had a recording of that call to the police.

Jim in CT

01-28-2023, 01:49 PM

No they didn’t. It was a local affiliate who promptly retracted the reporting when they realized it didn’t have a credible source. Quit making things up.

I dealt with a home invasion four years ago, trust me it is surreal. I wish I had a recording of that call to the police.

a local affiliate of which network? NBC. NBC national disappeared a guy who posted something similar without giving any details, it was strange.

we now know. it’s over. should have released this on day one. hope pelosi recovers and this attacker gets exactly what’s coming to him.

i don’t understand how there’s no security, even when she’s in DC or in the other side of the globe. makes zero sense.

Jim in CT

01-28-2023, 01:51 PM

Now do the Jussie Smolette incident :hihi:
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and kyle rittenhouse, and NicK Sandman, and Duke lacrosse, and darren wilson…throw tawana brawley in there…but only one side does this.

wdmso

01-28-2023, 02:42 PM

and kyle rittenhouse, and NicK Sandman, and Duke lacrosse, and darren wilson…throw tawana brawley in there…but only one side does this.

yep once again jim finds his common theme. hits from yesteryears:tm:

Jim in CT

01-28-2023, 02:49 PM

yep once again jim finds his common theme. hits from yesteryears:tm:

oh, so as long as the gop doesn’t do it again this week, you’ll
say they have a clean slate?

how long before the statute of limitations runs out and we can. o longer hold this against the gop?

PaulS

01-28-2023, 03:00 PM

and kyle rittenhouse, and NicK Sandman, and Duke lacrosse, and darren wilson…throw tawana brawley in there…but only one side does this.

So every time the police beat up someone it's the conservatives fault, right? How about when evidence is withheld and someone goes to jail? Is that conservatives fault also?
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PaulS

01-28-2023, 03:05 PM

The deep state might have faked the video. It might have been the same guys who faked the moon landing and Kennedy's assassination.
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Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 10:46 AM

So every time the police beat up someone it's the conservatives fault, right? How about when evidence is withheld and someone goes to jail? Is that conservatives fault also?
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take a deep breath. nothing happens on one side every time. Wayne is the one who said that falsehoods and conspiracy theories only occur on the right. my list, debunks that.

Try to respond to what i actually said, not to something stupid i never came close to saying.

wdmso

01-29-2023, 11:34 AM

take a deep breath. nothing happens on one side every time. Wayne is the one who said that falsehoods and conspiracy theories only occur on the right. my list, debunks that.

Try to respond to what i actually said, not to something stupid i never came close to saying.

none of your examples were conspiracy theories they were stories that were corrected as newer information developed

kyle rittenhouse is a white OJ he got away with Murder became a Conservative Hero

Darren Wilson what conspiracy theories were pushed here He wasn't indicted? A cop may use lethal force when he or she “reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life” people disagrees with a verdict isn't a conspiracy

Nicholas Sandmann what conspiracy just bad reporting that was corrected then he loses lawsuits against media outlets including NYT, ABC, and Rolling Stone.. became darling of conservatives at National convention

Jim please look up what a conspiracy theory and a falseHood are, and are not the 2 are not the same .

IS Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines."

ISNT

ABC accused Nicholas of behavior constituting menacing racial intimidation of Phillips, a Native American political activist,

Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 11:48 AM

none of your examples were conspiracy theories they were stories that were corrected as newer information developed

kyle rittenhouse is a white OJ he got away with Murder became a Conservative Hero

Darren Wilson what conspiracy theories were pushed here He wasn't indicted? A cop may use lethal force when he or she “reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life” people disagrees with a verdict isn't a conspiracy

Nicholas Sandmann what conspiracy just bad reporting that was corrected then he loses lawsuits against media outlets including NYT, ABC, and Rolling Stone.. became darling of conservatives at National convention

Jim please look up what a conspiracy theory is and isn't .

IS Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines."

ISNT

ABC accused Nicholas of behavior constituting menacing racial intimidation of Phillips, a Native American political activist,

you crack us up.

with darren wilson, the bs “hands up don’t shoot”, after which he was supposedly shot anyway, was a conspiracy theory pushed by the left.

the trump/russia hoax? the lie that hunters laptop was russian disinformation? not conspiracy theories? the left wasn’t conspiring together to push ANY of those lies?

every case i cited was an example of the entire left getting it wrong, and shockingly always getting it wrong in a way that promotes liberalism. they never, ever make a collective mistake that helps the right. and that’s just a coincidence?

conspiracy theory: hi deeds of thousands of cops are in a plot to kill blacks

fact: more innocent blacks are killed every two weeks by other blacks in chicago, than the number of unarmed blacks that are killed by cops in the entire country in most years.

the left ignores the actual big problem, because talking about it honestly doesn’t help democrats win elections.

whatever you say, Columbo.

wdmso

01-29-2023, 03:15 PM

you crack us up.

with darren wilson, the bs “hands up don’t shoot”, after which he was supposedly shot anyway, was a conspiracy theory pushed by the left.

No Jim that was claimed by witness again big difference

the trump/russia hoax? the lie that hunters laptop was russian disinformation? not conspiracy theories? the left wasn’t conspiring together to push ANY of those lies?

keep ignoring all the guilty pleas and convictions again you can't show the fbi telling anyone Hunters lap top was russian disinformation
stop believing GYM the FBI never claimed it was russian information
The document Jim Jordan refers to is an open letter signed by 51 intelligence experts and directors about the Hunter Biden story.

The letter stated that these former intelligence officials, based on their past experience, had serious concerns that the laptop had the potential to be linked to Russian disinformation efforts. ( notice the absence of the word were or Are Russian disinformation) We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not, and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement—just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case," the letter said. Sorry jim your fantasy exposed again

every case i cited was an example of the entire left getting it wrong, and shockingly always getting it wrong in a way that promotes liberalism. they never, ever make a collective mistake that helps the right. and that’s just a coincidence?

Jim again you dont understand the difference between Getting something wrong and a conspiracy theory

conspiracy theory: hi deeds of thousands of cops are in a plot to kill blacks

that's yours and right wing americas conspiracy to get white votes and make the police victims of liberals and you took it hook line and sinker

fact: more innocent blacks are killed every two weeks by other blacks in chicago, than the number of unarmed blacks that are killed by cops in the entire country in most years.

More deflection Conservative media for decades have painted America’s third-largest city as a national hub of gun violence and gang activity, crippled by what they see as political correctness thwarting real solutions.
Again you are showing you lack of understanding between Gang violence in the inner cities . Suggesting it justifies police killings of Blacks or some how makes it not look so bad in comparison .. is Childish and of course intellectually Dishonest

the left ignores the actual big problem, because talking about it honestly doesn’t help democrats win elections.

Still waiting on you to tell us what this Big problem is that no one is talking about honestly

whatever you say, Columbo.

Fatal Police Violence Is Structural Jim run by the Government that requires Government to fix it

How safe is Chicago? The answer depends on where you're standing.

Chicago's homicide rate isn't the highest in the country But you've told that's not True ... you look away that areas in the city are plagued by poverty, drugs and economic underinvestment,

36K illegal guns taken off Chicago streets in recent yearsIt is estimated that 60% of the guns recovered in Chicago were originally purchased out of state, with Indiana, Mississippi and Wisconsin among the top suppliers.

“The flow of illegal guns into Chicago is absolutely a problem,

But if you listen to conservatives we have no gun problem in this Nation

Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 04:33 PM

Fatal Police Violence Is Structural Jim run by the Government that requires Government to fix it

How safe is Chicago? The answer depends on where you're standing.

Chicago's homicide rate isn't the highest in the country But you've told that's not True ... you look away that areas in the city are plagued by poverty, drugs and economic underinvestment,

36K illegal guns taken off Chicago streets in recent yearsIt is estimated that 60% of the guns recovered in Chicago were originally purchased out of state, with Indiana, Mississippi and Wisconsin among the top suppliers.

“The flow of illegal guns into Chicago is absolutely a problem,

But if you listen to conservatives we have no gun problem in this Nation

according to the fbi, in 2019, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by police in the us in the whole country. one is too many. But 9 is a rounding error, it’s not anywhere near being close to evidence of a structural flaw.

“illegal guns into chicago.”

spokes like a true liberal. white republicans in the suburbs are dumping guns into chicago, and the guns, not the people, are slaughtering each other.

your brain is really something. every single big problem is caused by non liberals.

a gun is an inanimate object. if we cared about each other, the existence of the gun would not matter. there are too many guns, i admit that. the other thing, which you cannot admit because it doesn’t help democrats, is that our culture is very sick, especially in our cities. talking about that, doesn’t help democrats get elected. so you deny it, just as the right denies the gun issue. but you only care about what the right denies.

you’re the most predictable person on the internet.

Pete F.

01-29-2023, 04:51 PM

If guns aren’t the problem and people are the problem, why would you give the problem guns?
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Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 04:55 PM

If guns aren’t the problem and people are the problem, why would you give the problem guns?
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i said guns are part of the problem. we are the bigger problem. pete, no offense, i wouldn’t go anywhere near you if you had a gun. but let’s say TDF owned 500 guns. He’d never hurt anybody. The guns cannot make him do it. he could have an arsenal in his basement and i’d let my kids in his house and i wouldn’t be worried. Because the nature of the person matters way more than the presence of a gun.

i say give guns to the people for one reason - the constitution. I don’t like the idea of ignoring the parts of the constitution that we don’t happen to like. we can amend it, or else we live with it.

Pete F.

01-29-2023, 04:56 PM

Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 05:02 PM

Poor victim

The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.
Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.
Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.
If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.
Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

Obviously Republicans cause the problem.
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right, right. the state of LA has a very high murder rate. Is the murder rate equally high across the state? hell no. it’s driven by new orleans where the gop controls nothing. a child blows your data out of the water.

why would you say the state government determines the murder rate across the whole state,,and not local government policies?

red states tend to be poor, and socioeconomics ( not race) drives a lot of bad things. i’d never say that republicans are morally superior to democrats, or that as a group they commit less crime. i just say they have better policy ideas. there’s plenty of good and bad people
on both sides.

it’s you and wayne who spend every day making posts about individual
republicans who behave badly. you want to claim that we’re all responsible for the bad apples on the right, but you’d never say you’re responsible for the bad apples on the left. It’s beyond stupid.

Pete F.

01-29-2023, 05:52 PM

right, right. the state of LA has a very high murder rate. Is the murder rate equally high across the state? hell no. it’s driven by new orleans where the gop controls nothing. a child blows your data out of the water.

why would you say the state government determines the murder rate across the whole state,,and not local government policies?

red states tend to be poor, and socioeconomics ( not race) drives a lot of bad things. i’d never say that republicans are morally superior to democrats, or that as a group they commit less crime. i just say they have better policy ideas. there’s plenty of good and bad people
on both sides.

it’s you and wayne who spend every day making posts about individual
republicans who behave badly. you want to claim that we’re all responsible for the bad apples on the right, but you’d never say you’re responsible for the bad apples on the left. It’s beyond stupid.

Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

Obviously Republicans cause the problem.
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wdmso

01-29-2023, 08:34 PM

wdmso

01-29-2023, 08:44 PM

according to the fbi, in 2019, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by police in the us in the whole country. one is too many. But 9 is a rounding error, it’s not anywhere near being close to evidence of a structural flaw.

“illegal guns into chicago.”

spokes like a true liberal. white republicans in the suburbs are dumping guns into chicago, and the guns, not the people, are slaughtering each other.

your brain is really something. every single big problem is caused by non liberals.

a gun is an inanimate object. if we cared about each other, the existence of the gun would not matter. there are too many guns, i admit that. the other thing, which you cannot admit because it doesn’t help democrats, is that our culture is very sick, especially in our cities. talking about that, doesn’t help democrats get elected. so you deny it, just as the right denies the gun issue. but you only care about what the right denies.

you’re the most predictable person on the internet.

white republicans in the suburbs are dumping guns into chicago

Wow your imagination is working overtime

You do know 99% of illegal guns come from legal gun owners.. and most happen to be white

our culture is very sick You are correct

When culture black and white have a love affair with guns via music or

company’s first offering: the JR-15, a play on the popular AR-15 assault rifle designed to look just like its deadly cousin, but 20 percent smaller. “It fits the kids really well,”

That’s the company’s sales pitch

The problem won’t get fixed anytime soon.
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Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 08:46 PM

Jim has no historical memory murders and crime have always been higher in major metropolitan cities regardless if Dem or Republican controlled

Hea Jim ever heard of Jacksonville red state Republican mayor

With a crime rate of 34 per one thousand residents, Jacksonville has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 30.

List of mayors of the 50 largest cities in the United States

mayoral political parties is 36 Democrats, 11 Republicans, and 3 Independents

Jim’s just parroting right wingers with the red state crime is liberal city mayors faults . But when crimes low it’s republicans politicians that made that happen lol
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pete was the one who distorted that not me. i never claimed
republicans have solved crime. all i claimed is that the high murder rate in LA is heavily driven by new orleans and a t the fault of the gop.

that’s what i said, and i’m right. the polls are crystal
clear on who america thinks have better ideas on crime. doesn’t mean there’s zero crime
in conservative places. you’re responding to something no one ever said. as usual.

Jim in CT

01-29-2023, 08:48 PM

The problem won’t get fixed anytime soon.
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the gop refuses to budge on guns. the democrats refuse to discuss fixing our cultural problems, our lack or humanity and family values.

Only one of those things bothers you. gee we wonder why.

Pete F.

01-29-2023, 08:54 PM

When people are literally dying from mass shootings and police brutality in our country, but our culture just hears the loudest voices in Christianity protesting drag queens and books, we can’t expect people to believe our religion has anything to do with life conquering death.
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wdmso

01-30-2023, 09:20 AM

Jim in CT

01-30-2023, 02:14 PM

democrats refuse to discuss fixing our cultural cultural problems, our lack or humanity and family values.

There it is again the leave it to beaver Mentality

And some how Jim your telling us. the GOP and the Christian right are holding the High Ground on Humanity and family values…. In the United States

Man you live in a fantasy . And a good soldier in the GOPs Culture war army

Wayne, the gun is an inanimate object. It doesn't do anything on its own, it cannot do anything on its own. I am very sorry if that simple truth upsets you, and equally sorry if it doesn't paint your agenda in a positive light. But that's your problem,. not mine. What I said is true, and it's not an inherently partisan fact. Facts don't care about party.

Your post was long on insults, short on logic and facts.

There's much of the 1950s I'd never want to return to (mostly due to your side engaging in brutal racism and segregation). But in terms of family units, and the way we cared about each other? Light years better than today. Again, don't take my word, look at the data in terms of divorce rates, fatherlessness rates, etc...

The people who make up the GOP are as flawed as the people who make up the democrat side, it seems no matter how many times I say that, it still goes over your head, it's beyond your grasp. The policies each side supports, are not similar. Your side doesn't like the idea of requiring medical care for babies born alive. That speaks for itself, 1 of 210 democrats in the house supported that bill. One. Good luck with that.

Jim in CT

01-30-2023, 02:21 PM

spence

01-30-2023, 03:10 PM

Jim in CT

01-30-2023, 03:33 PM

You do realize that Wyoming and Montana are mostly empty space right?

I do.

You do realize that murder rates per 100k citizens (as opposed to the absolute number of murders) normalize for differences in population density, right?

Are you saying that something besides gun ownership (eg, population density, and perhaps the socioeconomics of the population) are also factors in expected murders? Not just the presence of a gun?

If so, I agree.

The prevalence of guns obviously plays a role. Our lack of humanity also plays a role. Our complete inability to deal with mental illness plays a role. Lack of dads plays an enormous role if you're talking about typical urban violence, which claims far more lives than mass shootings, but those get way more press coverage because they serve the media's lefty narrative.

Spence, we don't agree on a single thing. You name it, we disagree on it. But if you owned 25 guns, you'd never hurt anybody. The presence of a gun in your home, doesn't change the fact that you're a decent guy. Having a gun, wouldn't turn you into a sociopath. The underlying problem therefore, is us, a darkness that seems to be getting a little worse over time. That's the fire. The prevalence of guns is a fuel thrown on the fire. If it were the gun, Montana and Wyoming would lead the nation in murder rates. There's a reason why they don't. The reason might not serve your political agenda, but it's still the reason. Fewer dark souls.

There are more guns out there today than there are people, I think. And we have a constitution with a second amendment. The guns play a role, but there are other levers we can pull.

The right refuses to budge on guns. The left refuses to discuss our cultural sicknesses. So absolutely nothing gets done, and the bodies pile up. And both sides continue to elect jerks who can't compromise or be honest.

wdmso

01-30-2023, 04:31 PM

Montana and Wyoming lead the nation in gun ownership, but rates of gun murder per 100k residents aren't abnormally high.

If I was wrong and you were right, states with highest gun ownership would have the highest rates of gun murders, wouldn't they? But they don't. Not even close. Look at the data. Just because you'll hate the data, doesn't make it wrong.

I can't compete with such a simpleton who can't do any research this literally was top of my search using your words

Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alaska, Missouri, and Alabama Have Highest Gun Death Rates in the Nation; Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and New York Have Lowest Gun Death Rates in the Nation

https://vpc.org/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2020-confirms/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA8t2eBhDeARIsAAVEga1RpaZaglWpEbjc79J 0teEJeAD-F22Dx7z3Mopv54WvDySt0udyBDcaAnwTEALw_wcB

Also Gun ownership by state Highest Rate

Montana (66.30%) of 500 thousand residents
Lowest Rate
Massachusetts (14.70%) of 7 million

which state has more Guns :eek:

wdmso

01-30-2023, 04:33 PM

The right refuses to budge on guns. and refuses to admit Guns are our cultural sicknesses.

fixed it

The Dad Fisherman

01-30-2023, 05:21 PM

Jim in CT

01-30-2023, 05:24 PM

I can't compete with such a simpleton who can't do any research this literally was top of my search using your words

Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alaska, Missouri, and Alabama Have Highest Gun Death Rates in the Nation; Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and New York Have Lowest Gun Death Rates in the Nation

https://vpc.org/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2020-confirms/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA8t2eBhDeARIsAAVEga1RpaZaglWpEbjc79J 0teEJeAD-F22Dx7z3Mopv54WvDySt0udyBDcaAnwTEALw_wcB

Also Gun ownership by state Highest Rate

Montana (66.30%) of 500 thousand residents
Lowest Rate
Massachusetts (14.70%) of 7 million

which state has more Guns :eek:

2 sources that show gun murder rates by state, have WY much lower. Not sure where your data comes from, but it says gun deaths, which would include suicide, which are a big % of gun deaths, but aren't applicable when talking about violent crime.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-higher-rate-gun-ownership-not-correlate-more-gun-murders-data-show

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

Look at rates of divorce by decade, rates of fatherlessness. Any social scientist will say there's a direct correlation to violence with young boys especially. But you know better than everyone. Good for you.

"which state has more Guns "

What matters when comparing states, is ownership rates. Not the absolute number of guns, Einstein. If you took a math class you'd know that. But keep distorting the data to fit your preferred narrative.

I saw on CNN today that some of the 5 Memphis cops were hired after the city lowered its hiring guidelines to promote diversity. I'm sure that makes the victim's parents feel a lot better!

With many professions, diversity should get zero weight, competence gets 100% weight. Not a lot of short white people in the NBA, so as unimportant as that is, a meritocracy is OK. But not with cops, firefighters, doctors, teachers, etc. Makes all kinds of sense. it just makes SO MUCH sense. The town of Hamden CT just put out a proposal to lower the physical requirements to be a firefighter, sop they could hire more women. Awesome. Just so brilliant.

Pete F.

01-30-2023, 06:04 PM

Why would you want to include suicide in gun statistics?
Because they increase the number.
Waiting periods decrease suicide by gun numbers.
No, it doesn’t just make other methods go up to achieve the same total.
Ask anyone who lost a family member to suicide with a gun if they think it’s violent.
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Jim in CT

01-30-2023, 06:51 PM

Pete F.

01-30-2023, 09:54 PM

suicide is important to discuss. it’s laughable to lump it in with murder.

You find suicide funny, you’re sicker than I thought
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Jim in CT

01-31-2023, 05:55 AM

You find suicide funny, you’re sicker than I thought
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i said “suicide is important”. what i said was funny, is that liberals would lump suicides in with murders, to bolster their anti gun push.

Sorry that went over your head and that you couldn’t differentiate between two very different things.

Pete F.

01-31-2023, 06:29 AM

i said “suicide is important”. what i said was funny, is that liberals would lump suicides in with murders, to bolster their anti gun push.

Sorry that went over your head and that you couldn’t differentiate between two very different things.

So suicide is acceptable
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Jim in CT

01-31-2023, 06:54 AM

So suicide is acceptable
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(1) Nooooo. Can you please tell us how in Gods name you read what I wrote, and concluded that I said suicide is acceptable? That's quite a leap.

(2) generally speaking, liberals are way more OK with suicide and assisted suicide, than conservatives. Are you saying liberals are wrong that issue? That suicide is bad and not to be accepted? Sounds like that's what you are saying.

(3) what I said, is that suicide and murder are 2 very different things. They are both tragic to me as a catholic, but they are obviously very different.

You are humiliating yourself. Were you the kid in middle school who ate bugs so that other kids would notice you? Sorry for that.

Jim in CT

01-31-2023, 06:56 AM

Gun Death Rate and Gun Murder Rate are two different things.

https://www.criminalattorneycincinnati.com/comparing-gun-control-measures-to-gun-related-homicides-by-state/

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2 very different things. There you go again, injecting common sense and logic into a good liberal, foaming-at-the-mouth, howling-at-the-moon, rant.

Pete F.

01-31-2023, 07:34 AM

(1) Nooooo. Can you please tell us how in Gods name you read what I wrote, and concluded that I said suicide is acceptable? That's quite a leap.

(2) generally speaking, liberals are way more OK with suicide and assisted suicide, than conservatives. Are you saying liberals are wrong that issue? That suicide is bad and not to be accepted? Sounds like that's what you are saying.

(3) what I said, is that suicide and murder are 2 very different things. They are both tragic to me as a catholic, but they are obviously very different.

You are humiliating yourself. Were you the kid in middle school who ate bugs so that other kids would notice you? Sorry for that.

Since you’re so concerned about life.

In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one. Perhaps the real tragedy behind suicide deaths—about 30,000 a year, one for every 45 attempts—is that so many could be prevented. Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms.

How’s your goat?
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Jim in CT

01-31-2023, 08:53 AM

Since you’re so concerned about life.

In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one.
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Which is exactly why you need to exclude suicides when you're making a case about the danger guns cause to innocent victims. Including them, meaningfully distorts the data.

Thank you for proving my point.

wdmso

01-31-2023, 10:43 AM

Which is exactly why you need to exclude suicides when you're making a case about the danger guns cause to innocent victims. Including them, meaningfully distorts the data.

Thank you for proving my point.

Jim you have no point you didn’t read past Fox’s headline they were comparing

Fox News Digital compiled FBI data from 2019 detailing murders and gun murders per 100,000 population. The data show that many states with higher percentages of gun ownership had lower or similar murder and gun murder rates to states with strict gun control

None of your 2 sources came close to a separations that shows gun murder rates compared to other murders by state. Or by numbers.

You misrepresented the whole article it wasn’t just gun murders as you claimed

Yep once again moving the goal post. Now gun death and murder by gun is some how different … even you links disprove you claim

Jim you said the pope said war wasn’t murder but the Bible states suicide is murder .

So if with The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2020 was Mississippi, followed by Wyoming, You want to run with the Fox News and conservatives conflating murder and Gun murder to defend gun ownership and guns aren’t to blame.

But of course using yours and dads and Fox News logic
The child who shot the teacher if she had died fallen in the gun death rate not murder Guns kill more U.S. kids than cancer. 8-year-old accidentally shot, killed by sibling who was playing with gun,

But that falls under gun deaths not murder…. More twisted logic is acceptable for the conservatives and the 2a and Fox. to admit guns are the problem in American culture

Here’s an example of Conservatives fixing the Gun Culture in Florida

TALLAHASSEE — Calling the right to bear arms “central to our freedom,” House Speaker Paul Renner on Monday unveiled a bill removing Florida requirements for a permit and training to carry concealed guns, an idea endorsed by Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Another campaign ad for 2024

In 2021, Arizona, Iowa, Montana, Tennessee, Texas and Utah enacted laws allowing permitless carry, and, last year, Alabama, Georgia, Indiana and Ohio did, too.

Each state listed rate extremely high to high. in Gun deaths that Firearm deaths include all deaths involving guns, such as homicide, suicide, and accidents.

Funny I have my license to carry in Liberal Massachusetts Iam not against gun ownership just stupid gun ownership like the states listed above.. Hell guns now almost kill more people than cars but we haven’t stopped driving schools learners permits a driving test insurance and licenses

But with guns. the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

Many are startled to learn that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008. The Second Amendment is, without doubt, among the best efforts at melding constitutional history and constitutional law on any topic — at least since the modern revival of originalism..