Mike Pompeo Boldly and Insanely Claims Teachers’ Union Leader Is “the Most Dangerous Person in the World”—Ahead of Kim Jong Un

When Pompeo was asked.


Who’s the most likely to take this republic down?” It would be the teachers’ unions, and the filth that they’re teaching our kids,

Regurgitating right wing nonsense shocking

Teachers are great. Teachers unions are evil, that's not an exaggeration in my opinion. They bankroll campaigns of corrupt democrats, then partner with governments to enrich the union while making children more ignorant. Teachers unions could teach the mafia lessons about greed and corruption.

When I taught, it was in a rough middle school in a rough town. Lots of fights in the hallways between classes. One day the principal asked teachers to stick their heads into the hallway for the 3-5 minutes we had between periods to look out for trouble. Who wouldn't agree to that? The union. The union sent us all letters demanding that we refuse to do that, because the taxpayers weren't paying us to work for the 3 minutes between periods. The union demanded we get paid more for doing that.

Then, some business donated a few ping pong tables to the school. I am a ping pong master, so I agreed to start a ping pong club at the school. There was no money to pay me, but I didn't care. I did it for free. The union sent me another letter, demanding that I stop volunteering my time, they demanded that the school pay me or no club. I told them to go f-ck themselves.

Then during covid, unions refused to go back to work unless all kinds of demands were met.

Now my 3 are in catholic schools. No unions. The difference in culture is night and day.

We get it, your union made you wealthier than you ever could have been without them. But there are two sides to that story, the other side being what taxpayers have to do, to fund what unions demand, and what they get thanks to whores in the democrat party who are owned by the union.

Crappy parents are the biggest obstacle to offering good education to kids. Teachers unions are a close second. You cannot oppose school choice and say with a straight face that you care about the quality of education we offer kids.

Teachers Unions are all about $$, and it's never ever enough.

Pompeo called the union president "the most dangerous person in the world", which is an idiotic thing to say. But her union is doing catastrophic damage to generations of children, enriching themselves at the expense of the kids. That's what teachers unions do. Take resources away from kids and put that money in the union bank accounts.

Teachers unions are great for teachers. They are catastrophic for students.

The democrats need more from the unions now. Their second biggest donor, after George Soros, is that con man whose crypto company just went kaput. He gave huge $$ to democrats. If he were a Republican megadonor, you'd have made 10 posts about it.

Teachers are great. Teachers unions are evil, that's not an exaggeration in my opinion. They bankroll campaigns of corrupt democrats, then partner with governments to enrich the union while making children more ignorant. Teachers unions could teach the mafia lessons about greed and corruption.

When I taught, it was in a rough middle school in a rough town. Lots of fights in the hallways between classes. One day the principal asked teachers to stick their heads into the hallway for the 3-5 minutes we had between periods to look out for trouble. Who wouldn't agree to that? The union. The union sent us all letters demanding that we refuse to do that, because the taxpayers weren't paying us to work for the 3 minutes between periods. The union demanded we get paid more for doing that.

Then, some business donated a few ping pong tables to the school. I am a ping pong master, so I agreed to start a ping pong club at the school. There was no money to pay me, but I didn't care. I did it for free. The union sent me another letter, demanding that I stop volunteering my time, they demanded that the school pay me or no club. I told them to go f-ck themselves.

Then during covid, unions refused to go back to work unless all kinds of demands were met.

Now my 3 are in catholic schools. No unions. The difference in culture is night and day.

We get it, your union made you wealthier than you ever could have been without them. But there are two sides to that story, the other side being what taxpayers have to do, to fund what unions demand, and what they get thanks to whores in the democrat party who are owned by the union.

Crappy parents are the biggest obstacle to offering good education to kids. Teachers unions are a close second. You cannot oppose school choice and say with a straight face that you care about the quality of education we offer kids.

Teachers Unions are all about $$, and it's never ever enough.

Pompeo called the union president "the most dangerous person in the world", which is an idiotic thing to say. But her union is doing catastrophic damage to generations of children, enriching themselves at the expense of the kids. That's what teachers unions do. Take resources away from kids and put that money in the union bank accounts.

Teachers unions are great for teachers. They are catastrophic for students.

The democrats need more from the unions now. Their second biggest donor, after George Soros, is that con man whose crypto company just went kaput. He gave huge $$ to democrats. If he were a Republican megadonor, you'd have made 10 posts about it.

He gave money to Republicans. But thanks for staying on topic

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ftx-founder-sam-bankman-fried-prolific-donor-republicans

FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried, while a top Democratic campaign contributor, also gave a significant sum of cash to Republican candidates and organizations ahead of the midterm election.


Unions are great for Americans. Republicans and big business not so much

Your child’s education is the parents responsibility

teachers can’t teach children who don’t attend don’t their homework while dealing with parents who think their responsibility end once the kid on the bus .. then crying their victims because their kid aren’t successful in school

The woke excuse only works on the Republican uninformed base voter
With most of them having zero children in school

I wonder what the poor Victim RINO would find to be an acceptable teacher salary, should they only be single women who could be housed by upstanding members of the community?
That was the norm in rural America 80 years ago.
But as usual everything in the victim’s mind is proof that he’s correct, never mind that:
Liberals declared independence from Britain and fought to win it. Conservatives opposed the idea and fought with the British Army for King George.
Liberals became abolitionists and conservatives fought to defend slavery.
Liberals supported female suffrage; conservatives did not.
Conservatives tried to steal the “Patriot” label from the Liberals. Conservatives have tried to steal the “Pro-Life” label from doctors trying to save the lives of pregnant women who will die without an abortion. Liberals are reclaiming their stolen labels from Conservatives.
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He gave money to Republicans. But thanks for staying on topic

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ftx-founder-sam-bankman-fried-prolific-donor-republicans

FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried, while a top Democratic campaign contributor, also gave a significant sum of cash to Republican candidates and organizations ahead of the midterm election.


Unions are great for Americans. Republicans and big business not so much

Your child’s education is the parents responsibility

teachers can’t teach children who don’t attend don’t their homework while dealing with parents who think their responsibility end once the kid on the bus .. then crying their victims because their kid aren’t successful in school

The woke excuse only works on the Republican uninformed base voter
With most of them having zero children in school

“he gave money to republicans.”

From your article, in the 21-22 elections, he gave $262,000 to Republicans, and $40,000,000 to democrats

You really missed your calling. With your unlimited ability to say absolutely anything, no matter how absurd, you should have been a lawyer.

99.35% of his donations were to democrats.

He gave money to Republicans. But thanks for staying on topic

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ftx-founder-sam-bankman-fried-prolific-donor-republicans

FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried, while a top Democratic campaign contributor, also gave a significant sum of cash to Republican candidates and organizations ahead of the midterm election.


Unions are great for Americans. Republicans and big business not so much

Your child’s education is the parents responsibility

teachers can’t teach children who don’t attend don’t their homework while dealing with parents who think their responsibility end once the kid on the bus .. then crying their victims because their kid aren’t successful in school

The woke excuse only works on the Republican uninformed base voter
With most of them having zero children in school

"Your child’s education is the parents responsibility "

So teachers, who in New England can EASILY make $100k a year with cadillac health insurance, insanely generous pensions, tons of time off, and guaranteed job security, have no responsibility for education? What is their responsibility then, Wayne? If teachers aren't responsible for the education of their students, what would you say they are responsible for?

Furthermore, your side is saying parents should but out and leave it to the teachers. That's mutually exclusive from your statement that education is the parents responsibility.

If you really believe that educating my kids is my responsibility, then how can you oppose the idea of letting me spend my tax dollars on the education that I know is best for my kids?

Talk about wanting to have it both ways!

Most Republicans have no children in school? What are you talking about? Did you drink fentanyl today?

Liberals became abolitionists and conservatives fought to defend slavery.

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I love it. Pete, there are no words anymore to describe your dishonesty. Why not make up a quote from Robert E Lee, saying that Trump forced him to defend slavery? That would be no less stupid, than what you just posted.

John Brown was a liberal. Gotcha!

Pete, who was responsible for the riots in the summer of 2020? The tea party? The boy scouts?

Donald Trump continued to lash out Wednesday at the Supreme Court after its order Tuesday that cleared the way for a congressional committee to examine the former president’s tax returns.
The Post’s Robert Barnes notes that in a posting on Truth Social, the online platform Trump founded, he denounced the court — three of whose justices he appointed — as a political body that has lost respect.
“Why would anybody be surprised that the Supreme Court has ruled against me, they always do!” Trump wrote at 1:14 a.m. Eastern.
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"Your child’s education is the parents responsibility "

So teachers, who in New England can EASILY make $100k a year with cadillac health insurance, insanely generous pensions, tons of time off, and guaranteed job security, have no responsibility for education? What is their responsibility then, Wayne? If teachers aren't responsible for the education of their students, what would you say they are responsible for?

Furthermore, your side is saying parents should but out and leave it to the teachers. That's mutually exclusive from your statement that education is the parents responsibility.

If you really believe that educating my kids is my responsibility, then how can you oppose the idea of letting me spend my tax dollars on the education that I know is best for my kids?

Talk about wanting to have it both ways!

Most Republicans have no children in school? What are you talking about? Did you drink fentanyl today?

then how can you oppose the idea of letting me spend my tax dollars on the education

Because Jim you don’t pay crap..

How much of your town tax’s do you think you pay for 3 kids to go to school.. in a year. The same as the person who has no kids.

You have no argument it’s fantasy .



Most Republicans have no children in school?

You need to read more

When I began to cover the protests over Common Core State Standards a few years ago, most of the opponents showing up at the Legislature were home-schooling parents and older Georgians whose children had long graduated. I recall a woman brushing away tears as she told lawmakers how Common Core would hurt her four kids, but, when asked which district her children attended, explained they were home-schooled.

https://www.noleftturn.us/

You should love this site
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I love it. Pete, there are no words anymore to describe your dishonesty. Why not make up a quote from Robert E Lee, saying that Trump forced him to defend slavery? That would be no less stupid, than what you just posted.

John Brown was a liberal. Gotcha!

You’ll never figure out the difference, will you?
You think the conservative position was anti slavery?
Pro voting rights?
Anti British?
For women having the right to vote, have credit cards, attend college?
Interesting fantasy world you live in, where educators teach “filth”

Jim, the "moderate Republicans" of the old GOP are never coming back. They've been driven out by conspiracy theorists, kooks, and election deniers like you. The Republican Party as we knew it is no longer.
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Pete, who was responsible for the riots in the summer of 2020? The tea party? The boy scouts?

Poor RINO victim it’s pretty simple, the rioters.
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then how can you oppose the idea of letting me spend my tax dollars on the education

Because Jim you don’t pay crap..

How much of your town tax’s do you think you pay for 3 kids to go to school.. in a year. The same as the person who has no kids.

You have no argument it’s fantasy .



Most Republicans have no children in school?

You need to read more

When I began to cover the protests over Common Core State Standards a few years ago, most of the opponents showing up at the Legislature were home-schooling parents and older Georgians whose children had long graduated. I recall a woman brushing away tears as she told lawmakers how Common Core would hurt her four kids, but, when asked which district her children attended, explained they were home-schooled.

https://www.noleftturn.us/

You should love this site
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what’s the responsibility of the teachers wayne, if not educating children?

one person observing that one group of republicans was home schooling, from that you make a leap that republicans don’t have kids in public school.

republicans are less wealthy than liberals. they’re more likely to have kids in public school. it’s not rocket science.

one woman home schools, and you think she represents every republican? brilliant wayne.

if i don’t pay crap, then it’s no big deal to give it back to me.

You’re humiliating yourself.

It’s pretty obvious that nobody who claims to be a conservative Republican actually is one…..

The Colorado shooter’s dad on finding out his son murdered people: “They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘#^&#^&#^&#^&, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”
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Ahhh…..more “Faux” Quotes by Pete. :rolleyes:
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what’s the responsibility of the teachers wayne, if not educating children?

one person observing that one group of republicans was home schooling, from that you make a leap that republicans don’t have kids in public school.

republicans are less wealthy than liberals. they’re more likely to have kids in public school. it’s not rocket science.

one woman home schools, and you think she represents every republican? brilliant wayne.

if i don’t pay crap, then it’s no big deal to give it back to me.

You’re humiliating yourself.


Jim on person humiliating oneself is you. Because

you think you’re entitled to what it costs to send a child to school x3

Which in your state is Connecticut spends $20,635 per student,

Like I said you don’t pay enough taxes . But want school choice welfare
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Ahhh…..more “Faux” Quotes by Pete. :rolleyes:
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There’s video

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1595519454900805649?s=46&t=iudFbV784Abg6o_A9ZVHnA
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There’s video

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1595519454900805649?s=46&t=iudFbV784Abg6o_A9ZVHnA
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This is beyond disturbing to watch. Is the guy hammered to boot?

There’s video

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1595519454900805649?s=46&t=iudFbV784Abg6o_A9ZVHnA
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I stand corrected.

Maybe you should open with that next time.
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Who is really surprised when you have one of the leading R contenders for Pres. saying Warnock should be deported and "legal immigrants are more patriotic than the leftists these days."

How about quotes from Trump's former senior legal adviser Ellis:

“Even more tragic than untimely death, is that the five people who were killed in the nightclub that night, there is no evidence at all that they were Christians,” the far-right attorney said. “And so assuming that they had not accepted the truth of the Gospel of Christ and affirmed Jesus Christ as the lord of their life, they are now reaping the consequences of having eternal damnation.”

This is beyond disturbing to watch. Is the guy hammered to boot?

Seems his grandfathers a peach and big MAGA supporter

California politician who compared the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol to the American Revolutionary War,

Hate is taught
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Rapper Kanye West has said he intends to run for US president in 2024,

And ask Trump to be his running mate
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A candidate for the Presidency, who will almost certainly be the Republican nominee, had dinner Tuesday with a literal Nazi at his residence where he hid stolen secret documents. There’s your Republican Party.
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A candidate for the Presidency, who will almost certainly be the Republican nominee, had dinner Tuesday with a literal Nazi at his residence where he hid stolen secret documents. There’s your Republican Party.
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MyPillow Founder Lindell Weighs Run for RNC Chair

As you said there’s your Republicans


And for anyone who’ll claim they don’t know who’s these people are .

The ADL

Nicholas Joseph Fuentes is an American far-right, Christian nationalist, and white supremacist


1. Nicholas Fuentes is a white supremacist leader and organizer and podcaster who seeks to forge a white nationalist alternative to the mainstream GOP.


2) Nicholas Fuentes believes that he is working to defend against “leftist” cultural changes that are destroying the “true America:” a white, Christian nation.

3) Fuentes has used his platforms to make numerous antisemitic and racist comments.

4) Fuentes promoted election fraud narratives and encouraged his adherents to participate in nationwide “Stop the Steal” protests.

5) Fuentes has been embraced and praised by a spectrum of far right-wing fringe conservatives, providing him a larger platform for elevating the America First movement.

And this is who the former and 2024 candidate. Chooses to publicly associates with…

But but Hunter
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A candidate for the Presidency, who will almost certainly be the Republican nominee, had dinner Tuesday with a literal Nazi at his residence where he hid stolen secret documents. There’s your Republican Party.
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Well in Trump's defense he prob. "didn't know who he was but they say he loves his country" and Stacy Abrams said her election was stolen.

Jim on person humiliating oneself is you. Because

you think you’re entitled to what it costs to send a child to school x3

Which in your state is Connecticut spends $20,635 per student,

Like I said you don’t pay enough taxes . But want school choice welfare
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my town ( education budgets are usually a town thing not a state thing) spends about $14k per kid.

YOU said education is the parents responsibility, not the teachers. Fine. Give me some of my tax money back ( not all of it) and let me use it to fulfill what YOU said was my responsibility.

Yes taxes in CT are way too low. That’s our problem. You figured it out.

wayne, say the average CT public school spends 20k per kid as you stated.

Let’s say i get $3k of that back, which i use to send my kid to another school. Since you said it’s my responsibility ( not the teachers’) to educate my kid.

My kid is better off.

The public school is also better off, because they can keep the other $17,000 and use it on the smaller number of remaining kids. Fewer students,,more
money to spend per kid, smaller class sizes in the public schools. so those kids are also better off.

Win-win.

Youre opposed to the idea that i can use my own tax money to educate my own kids. Yet you are ok with the idea that you confiscate more of other peoples money to help pay for your kids student loans.

Funny, you said it’s the parents responsibility to educate their own children, yet you support the idea of forcing everyone else to help your family repay student loans that you chose to take on. If you believe what you said, that educating your kids is your responsibility, how can you be ok with asking everyone else to repay your kids student loans?

that’s called “wanting to have it both ways.”

Very well thought out and thought provoking post delivered respectfully.

I can’t wait for Wayne’s reinterpretation of it, where you get told you’re a Trump loving Nazi sympathizer.
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Very well thought out and thought provoking post delivered respectfully.

I can’t wait for Wayne’s reinterpretation of it, where you get told you’re a Trump loving Nazi sympathizer.
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i was a public school teacher. And there is no argument against school choice, unless all you care about is the union. Kids benefit from school choice. Only public unions lose a little. So the question is, do schools exist to enrich unions, or do they exist to help students achieve their dreams? That’s not a difficult question for me.

And thanks.

Very well thought out and thought provoking post delivered respectfully.

I can’t wait for Wayne’s reinterpretation of it, where you get told you’re a Trump loving Nazi sympathizer.
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Very well thought out and thought provoking post delivered respectfully.

Unlike your response spoken like a child shocking ..

Just cutting to the chase, not like that’s not your usual response
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wayne, say the average CT public school spends 20k per kid as you stated.

Let’s say i get $3k of that back, which i use to send my kid to another school. Since you said it’s my responsibility ( not the teachers’) to educate my kid.

My kid is better off.

The public school is also better off, because they can keep the other $17,000 and use it on the smaller number of remaining kids. Fewer students,,more
money to spend per kid, smaller class sizes in the public schools. so those kids are also better off.

Win-win.

Youre opposed to the idea that i can use my own tax money to educate my own kids. Yet you are ok with the idea that you confiscate more of other peoples money to help pay for your kids student loans.

Funny, you said it’s the parents responsibility to educate their own children, yet you support the idea of forcing everyone else to help your family repay student loans that you chose to take on. If you believe what you said, that educating your kids is your responsibility, how can you be ok with asking everyone else to repay your kids student loans?

that’s called “wanting to have it both ways.”

Jim. Where do you get 3k amount from. ? I pay around 4K a year

So you are looking for 100% of your taxes back?. That’s been my I point it’s a fantasy don’t your kids already go to Catholic school.

funny conservatives have no issue with billlions of ppp loan forgiveness. With zero oversight. But upset over some student loan forgiveness . Because conservatives think only Democratic’s have students loans. You want a list of Republican law makes who took millions in PPP loans but voted against it and are against student loan forgiveness
or when conservatives Republicans try to block early voting in GA ..it’s always outrage politics from the right

U.S. Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., whose businesses had their loans forgiven, said it "takes a special kind of idiocy to equate (student debt forgiveness) to the PPP.

No it takes 1oz of honesty which clearly he doesn’t have nor do the

GOP Reps Who Voted Against $2,000 Checks Received Millions in COVID Bailout Funds


Jim the scam is National with Republicans

Arizona Republican lawmakers want you to pay private school tuitions for wealthy families

Arizona voters by an overwhelming margin rejected a Republican plan to allow all of Arizona’s 1 million-plus public school students to get vouchers to attend private and parochial schools.

And guess what the lawmakers disregard the will of the people 1 million voters lose to 31 lawmakers

This is part of the Arizona GOP’s ongoing irrational war on public education. A bizarre Robin Hood-in-reverse attack on our schools:

Robbing from the poor to give to the rich. And it’s GOP policy nation wide :kewl::kewl:

Jim. Where do you get 3k amount from. ? I pay around 4K a year

So you are looking for 100% of your taxes back?. That’s been my I point it’s a fantasy don’t your kids already go to Catholic school.

funny conservatives have no issue with billlions of ppp loan forgiveness. With zero oversight. But upset over some student loan forgiveness . Because conservatives think only Democratic’s have students loans. You want a list of Republican law makes who took millions in PPP loans but voted against it and are against student loan forgiveness
or when conservatives Republicans try to block early voting in GA ..it’s always outrage politics from the right

U.S. Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., whose businesses had their loans forgiven, said it "takes a special kind of idiocy to equate (student debt forgiveness) to the PPP.

No it takes 1oz of honesty which clearly he doesn’t have nor do the

GOP Reps Who Voted Against $2,000 Checks Received Millions in COVID Bailout Funds


Jim the scam is National with Republicans

Arizona Republican lawmakers want you to pay private school tuitions for wealthy families

Arizona voters by an overwhelming margin rejected a Republican plan to allow all of Arizona’s 1 million-plus public school students to get vouchers to attend private and parochial schools.

And guess what the lawmakers disregard the will of the people 1 million voters lose to 31 lawmakers

This is part of the Arizona GOP’s ongoing irrational war on public education. A bizarre Robin Hood-in-reverse attack on our schools:

Robbing from the poor to give to the rich. And it’s GOP policy nation wide :kewl::kewl:

i made up the 3k amount. my position on school
choice is parents should be able to get a portion of their own taxes back to spend as they see fit on their kids education .

„so you are looking for 100% of your taxes back”?

No. I proposed $3k. that’s a small percentage

How much if my money are you entitled to, in order to pay off student loans your family chose to take on?

How much of my money are you entitled to? and how much are my kids entitled to?

Jim. Where do you get 3k amount from. ? I pay around 4K a year

So you are looking for 100% of your taxes back?. That’s been my I point it’s a fantasy don’t your kids already go to Catholic school.

funny conservatives have no issue with billlions of ppp loan forgiveness. With zero oversight. But upset over some student loan forgiveness . Because conservatives think only Democratic’s have students loans. You want a list of Republican law makes who took millions in PPP loans but voted against it and are against student loan forgiveness
or when conservatives Republicans try to block early voting in GA ..it’s always outrage politics from the right

U.S. Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., whose businesses had their loans forgiven, said it "takes a special kind of idiocy to equate (student debt forgiveness) to the PPP.

No it takes 1oz of honesty which clearly he doesn’t have nor do the

GOP Reps Who Voted Against $2,000 Checks Received Millions in COVID Bailout Funds


Jim the scam is National with Republicans

Arizona Republican lawmakers want you to pay private school tuitions for wealthy families

Arizona voters by an overwhelming margin rejected a Republican plan to allow all of Arizona’s 1 million-plus public school students to get vouchers to attend private and parochial schools.

And guess what the lawmakers disregard the will of the people 1 million voters lose to 31 lawmakers

This is part of the Arizona GOP’s ongoing irrational war on public education. A bizarre Robin Hood-in-reverse attack on our schools:

Robbing from the poor to give to the rich. And it’s GOP policy nation wide :kewl::kewl:

and you went to PPP loan forgivenesses. They weren’t “loans.”. right from the start, the agreement was that the money did not need to be repaid if the employers met certain conditions. That is, by definition, not a loan. A loan is what you agreed to, when you took out student loans, which you now hope everyone else will pay back. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

That’s far different from your student loans, which you promised to pay back but now are reaching into our pockets because that’s easier for you. but when i ask for a portion of my taxes back to arrange for the education of my kids ( which you said was my responsibility) you’re opposed to it.

You’re doing exactly, precisely what TDF said you’d do.

„so you are looking for 100% of your taxes back”?

No. I proposed $3k. that’s a small percentage

How much if my money are you entitled to, in order to pay off student loans your family chose to take on?

How much of my money are you entitled to? and how much are my kids entitled to?

How about looking at the percentage that the school department gets in the annual budget, then give that same percentage back to the tax payers that want to send their kids to alternative schooling, based on their taxes paid.

Could be a starting point for discussion.
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How about looking at the percentage that the school department gets in the annual budget, then give that same percentage back to the tax payers that want to send their kids to alternative schooling, based on their taxes paid.

Could be a starting point for discussion.
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it’s a perfectly logical starting point. But it will never take place in blue states, because the democrats are beholden to the unions.

i thought liberals were “pro choice.”. i’m almost certain I’ve heard that somewhere.

Peg's been paying taxes for years, without any children, it's a unfair system for those that are NOT benefitting from the public school system.

Peg's been paying taxes for years, without any children, it's a unfair system for those that are NOT benefitting from the public school system.

i disagree. if we never had kids i’d still support paying taxes to help fund good public schools. We all have a vested interest in having good public schools, that helps all of us. But if i feel that another school is better for my kids, a great argument can be made that everyone is better off if i can use a small portion of my own money to fund it. there isn’t a great argument against it that i’ve heard.

The unheard argument

The Republican Plan To Devastate Public Education in America
Conservatives talk about “school choice.” What they really want, though, will result in the end of public education for the poor, and disfavored minorities like LGBT people.

https://newrepublic.com/article/167375/republican-plan-devastate-public-education-america
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The unheard argument

The Republican Plan To Devastate Public Education in America
Conservatives talk about “school choice.” What they really want, though, will result in the end of public education for the poor, and disfavored minorities like LGBT people.

https://newrepublic.com/article/167375/republican-plan-devastate-public-education-america
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can you name one place that currently has school
choice, where public education has ended for the poor?

If you think a tiny sliver of competition will
mean the end of public education, you must have a crappy view of public education.

a little competition will incentivize public educaton to improve.

If every private sector company can survive in a competitive landscaoe, eh do you assume public schools cannot?

What a stupid, devoid of logic, argument.

PS you’re not really pro choice then, are you?

Pete is afraid that school choice will ruin public education for poor people.

I can make a compelling argument that lack of school choice has already ruined it. In Baltimore, among 13 public high schools, recently there were zero students meeting accepted grade proficiency in math.

Zero students hitting math proficiency, at 13 high schools.

Pete would force kids to stay in these failing sh-tholes. I say they’d deserve much better, and the problem won’t be fixed by giving raises and more perks to the teachers there.

https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/project-baltimore/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-zero-students-proficient-in-math

Pete is afraid that school choice will ruin public education for poor people.

I can make a compelling argument that lack of school choice has already ruined it. In Baltimore, among 13 public high schools, recently there were zero students meeting accepted grade proficiency in math.

Zero students hitting math proficiency, at 13 high schools.

Pete would force kids to stay in these failing sh-tholes. I say they’d deserve much better, and the problem won’t be fixed by giving raises and more perks to the teachers there.

https://foxbaltimore.com/amp/news/project-baltimore/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-zero-students-proficient-in-math


Jim and his conservatives friends love using inner cities as their examples from gun violence to education to overall crime

It’s all they have ever done . There is example after example across the country what school choices means for Conservatives. Things called data and statistics. But their dismissed as fake news

Claiming it’s to help the underserved is just another lie told with a straight Face in public ..


Right on the Texas Republicans website

Republican Party of Texas legislative priority

The Problem
Parents are not able to give their children the educational opportunities they desire.
Parents don’t have ownership over their tax dollars being used for educational funding.
Some solutions lead to greater problems since they require tax money to be given to the government from some and then distributed to others — an unfair system that creates unwanted government strings.
The Solution
Distribute educational funds in a manner that they follow the student to any school, whether public, private, charter, or home school through means of tax exemptions and/or credits.

Then you get a list of what to say on social media’s

Sample Tweets:

I stand for #schoolchoice. Let my money follow my student.
I’m a parent who’s asking for my tax dollars to follow my child to the school I choose. #schoolchoice
Texas parents have a right to choose the best education for their children. Let my money follow my student. #schoolchoice

Letter to the Editor:

Here’s a sample letter to the editor that you can customize, personalize, and submit to your local newspaper. An ideal time is when this subject comes up in the news. Be sure to check and follow your paper’s guidelines for length and submission.


Yet this same party is banning books attacking trans youth and their families claiming teachers are indoctrination sites for children. There trying to defund a system to benefit their small base who wants tax money to send their kids to religious schools


It’s all here ! Republican candidates are platforming nationwide calls for “parents’ rights” and school choice. They want curriculum posted online and for parents to be able to opt out of certain lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity. Many oppose lessons they feel are too closely tied to critical race theory, an academic framework that looks at the roles of race and racism in U.S. history, law and institutions. They also want taxpayer dollars to flow to private and religious schools.

How about looking at the percentage that the school department gets in the annual budget, then give that same percentage back to the tax payers that want to send their kids to alternative schooling, based on their taxes paid.

Could be a starting point for discussion.
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How about looking at the parents income and how many children they have in the system. And base any refund based on that .. also see if the child ever attended public school to start with.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/05/12/520111511/the-promise-and-peril-of-school-vouchers


The biggest headline from the program's growth is this: Today, more than half of all voucher students in the state have no record of attending a public school.

Good read

This I found hypocritical In 2011 voucher law prohibited the state from regulating "curriculum content, religious instruction or activities, classroom teaching, teacher and staff hiring requirements, and other activities carried out by the eligible school."

But in public schools they want to pass a bill One of the main features of the bill is that it would prohibit eight different concepts focused on sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, national origin, or political affiliation

But these private schools who take public money can still pick and choose their students.. here’s an example

In its online admissions packet, Lighthouse Christian Academy in Bloomington lays out its expectations of students. It lists "behaviors prohibited in the Bible" to include "homosexual or bisexual activity or any form of sexual immorality" and "practicing alternate gender identity or any other identity or behavior that violates God's ordained distinctions between the two sexes, male and female."

It’s not and never been about helping underserved children

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Yet this same party is banning books attacking trans youth and their families claiming teachers are indoctrination sites for children. There trying to defund a system to benefit their small base who wants tax money to send their kids to religious schools


It’s all here ! Republican candidates are platforming nationwide calls for “parents’ rights” and school choice. They want curriculum posted online and for parents to be able to opt out of certain lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity. Many oppose lessons they feel are too closely tied to critical race theory, an academic framework that looks at the roles of race and racism in U.S. history, law and institutions. They also want taxpayer dollars to flow to private and religious schools.

"Yet this same party is banning books"

Not sure what book appropriateness has to do with school choice, but whatever. Are you saying liberals don't use censure, don't ban books they don't like (like To Kill A Mockingbird, Huckleberry Finn), don't take down statues that are offensive to them, etc? As always, it's OK when liberals do it.

"attacking trans youth"

Sorry. Telling biological boys that they can't watch girls undress during school, isn't attacking anybody. It's protecting everybody. It takes a pretty warped mind to call that attacking anybody.

"They want curriculum posted online"

The horror! Imagine that if I'm paying big money for something that my kids are exposed to, that I want to see what it is? The nerve of some people!

Wayne, you never, not once, were curious about what your kids were being taught? You never bothered to ask about any details? Never?

You don't get it. The teachers work for the parents. Not the other way around. Teachers are public servants. They exist to serve the public.

In another post here, you said it's the responsibility of the parents to educate their children. Fine. How can parents educate their kids, without having some knowledge of what the kids are being taught, without having some input.

You seriously said that it's the parents responsibility to educate their kids, but parents should shut up about what happens in school. That doesn't sound stupid to you?

You'll say ANYTHING to serve liberalism.

You also ignored my obvious question...if it's YOUR responsibility to educate your kids (which you said it was), what possible right do you have to ask others to pay for your kids' student loans?

You want my money, but you want me to shut up about how it's spent.

But these private schools who take public money can still pick and choose their students.. here’s an example

In its online admissions packet, Lighthouse Christian Academy in Bloomington lays out its expectations of students. It lists "behaviors prohibited in the Bible" to include "homosexual or bisexual activity or any form of sexual immorality" and "practicing alternate gender identity or any other identity or behavior that violates God's ordained distinctions between the two sexes, male and female."

It’s not and never been about helping underserved children

You picked one extreme school. My sons catholic high school has a few gay and trans students, they are welcome to attend the school.

There are many, many private schools with no religious affiliation.

If you're opposed to private schools taking public money, then explain why you're OK with using public money to pay off your student loans. I'll wait.

You cannot win this one...you boxed yourself into a corner from which there's no escape, when you supported the idea of student loan forgiveness, and when you said it's the parent's responsibility to educate our children.

So you're entitled to public money to educate your kids at the college you choose to send them to, but poor people in urban areas are not.

I'd just love to hear you justify that.

How about looking at the parents income and how many children they have in the system.

Maybe that is something that can be discussed

And base any refund based on that ..

It's not really a refund, it's more of a redirecting of funds for education

also see if the child ever attended public school to start with.

What does that have to do with anything, if a parent decides what he wants his child's education needs to be from kindergarten on up, they are allowed

Trump defends meeting with known white supremacist, says he ‘knew nothing’ about him

Maybe that is something that can be discussed



It's not really a refund, it's more of a redirecting of funds for education



What does that have to do with anything, if a parent decides what he wants his child's education needs to be from kindergarten on up, they are allowed


Hard to claim they systems broken if you never used the system so claiming is broken . Then asking for public money to support religious schooling which is actually the push by the right for school choice

Hard to claim they systems broken if you never used the system so claiming is broken . T

Please. Anyone can look at the data and the results.

Many poor people stuck in these school systems are the ones begging for school choice. You make it sound like its all rich white people in the suburbs whose kids are already in private schools.

Hard to claim they systems broken if you never used the system so claiming is broken . Then asking for public money to support religious schooling which is actually the push by the right for school choice

Maybe I just like another school better, doesn't have to be based on me thinking the system is broken, and if someone wants to send their kid to a catholic school, so be it.

Maybe I just like another school better, doesn't have to be based on me thinking the system is broken, and if someone wants to send their kid to a catholic school, so be it.

Religious schools No government money.. it’s easy. republicans trying to ignore the separation of church and state . Hell they don’t even want people to vote. Or have their votes counted

Officials in a rural, Republican-controlled county in Arizona have voted to delay certifying the results of this month's midterm elections and miss the state's legal deadline of Monday, despite finding no legitimate problems with the local counts.

The examples of conservatives revisionist history . Are crazy it’s hard to take them seriously
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Please. Anyone can look at the data and the results.

Many poor people stuck in these school systems are the ones begging for school choice. You make it sound like its all rich white people in the suburbs whose kids are already in private schools.
Jim I linked an article again you just don’t like the answers
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Jim I linked an article again you just don’t like the answers
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and i posted an article with facts not just partisan nonsense

You said it’s hard to criticize something unless you’ve been in it. but that doesn’t stop you from criticizing everything every republican has ever said or done, even if you’ve never been inside

You say educating kids is a parents responsibility, yet you won’t explain why you’re on with taking other peoples hard earned money to pay off your kids student loans, which obviously you chose to take on and are obviously your responsibility.

you demy me the right to use my own tax dollars to educate my kids. and at the same time, you have the right to my tax dollars to educate your kids. So everything is ok, as long as the money is flowing into your wallet. Make that wrong. That’s your only principle here.

Everything is ok when you do it. everything. But no one else can do those same things. amd you can’t offer a single syllable to explain.

Religious schools No government money.. it’s easy. republicans trying to ignore the separation of church and state.
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So I take it then that there should be no federal grant money or student loan forgiveness for students who attended BYU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Notre Dame or any other private religious schools?
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https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/05/12/520111511/the-promise-and-peril-of-school-vouchers


The biggest headline from the program's growth is this: Today, more than half of all voucher students in the state have no record of attending a public school.

Good read

This I found hypocritical In 2011 voucher law prohibited the state from regulating "curriculum content, religious instruction or activities, classroom teaching, teacher and staff hiring requirements, and other activities carried out by the eligible school."

But in public schools they want to pass a bill One of the main features of the bill is that it would prohibit eight different concepts focused on sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, national origin, or political affiliation

Wayne, if you don't like those things, you don't have to send your kids to a school that advocates for those things. But where would you get the right, to deny parents the right o use their tax dollars to send kids to a different school, if the parent feels that private school is a different fit?

If public schools could get their act together, there wouldn't be large numbers of families who want to flee the public schools.

So you say hat parents have no right to see what's taught in public school, no right to comment on what's taught, have no right to use their tax dollars to pay for a school that's a better fit for their child, but again, YOU have the right to everyone elses money to help pay for the cost of educating your kids. You have that right.

Wayne, if you don't like those things, you don't have to send your kids to a school that advocates for those things. But where would you get the right, to deny parents the right o use their tax dollars to send kids to a different school, if the parent feels that private school is a different fit?

If public schools could get their act together, there wouldn't be large numbers of families who want to flee the public schools.

So you say hat parents have no right to see what's taught in public school, no right to comment on what's taught, have no right to use their tax dollars to pay for a school that's a better fit for their child, but again, YOU have the right to everyone elses money to help pay for the cost of educating your kids. You have that right.

So you say hat parents have no right to see what's taught in public school, no right to comment on what's taught, have no right to use their tax dollars

No Jim that you and Republicans are just lying thru your teeth

Yet you and conservatives crazy’s think parents are suddenly smarter the the people teaching them. That’s funny

And what kids get taught is a secret. ? And school board and parent teacher conferences don’t exist? or never existed to address questions?

That takes a special kind of arrogance…. And dishonesty which the GOP has in abundance to spread such BS . But their base eats it up..
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So you say hat parents have no right to see what's taught in public school, no right to comment on what's taught, have no right to use their tax dollars

No Jim that you and Republicans are just lying thru your teeth

Yet you and conservatives crazy’s think parents are suddenly smarter the the people teaching them. That’s funny

And what kids get taught is a secret. ? And school board and parent teacher conferences don’t exist? or never existed to address questions?

That takes a special kind of arrogance…. And dishonesty which the GOP has in abundance to spread such BS . But their base eats it up..
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you complained in a previous post here on this thread, that republican parents want to see what their children are taught, and you said so as an obvious criticism. Now you’re denying what you said.

why should anyone assume that teachers are all smarter than anyone else? being educated and being smart are two very different things

see, once again you’re all over the place. on the one hand you say it’s the parents’ responsibility to educate their kids. on the other hand, you say we have no right to question anything that teachers do. So which is it? How can you not see that those two statements are contradicting each other? How can you be that clueless?

Questioning teachers isn’t questioning their intelligence. It’s based on the fact that i know my kids better than any teacher ( who has them for 45 minutes a day with 15 other kids in the class) will ever know them. Teachers know how to teach better than the average person walking around, but any good parent knows their own kids a thousand times better than any teacher ever will.


“dishonesty”… the parents complaining about porn are literally reading from books that are in the schools. but you won’t admit they’re even being honest.

You’re as dishonest as any politician wayne. The liberal can never be wrong, the conservative can never be right. Obviously the truth isn’t nearly that simple, but you have convinced yourself that it is. That’s unbelievably dishonest.

Meanwhile in other parts of the right wing media fog, imagine the quality candidates they'll find if Mike Lindell runs RNC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUWwFuJOvU
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you complained in a previous post here on this thread, that republican parents want to see what their children are taught, and you said so as an obvious criticism. Now you’re denying what you said.

why should anyone assume that teachers are all smarter than anyone else? being educated and being smart are two very different things

see, once again you’re all over the place. on the one hand you say it’s the parents’ responsibility to educate their kids. on the other hand, you say we have no right to question anything that teachers do. So which is it? How can you not see that those two statements are contradicting each other? How can you be that clueless?

Questioning teachers isn’t questioning their intelligence. It’s based on the fact that i know my kids better than any teacher ( who has them for 45 minutes a day with 15 other kids in the class) will ever know them. Teachers know how to teach better than the average person walking around, but any good parent knows their own kids a thousand times better than any teacher ever will.


“dishonesty”… the parents complaining about porn are literally reading from books that are in the schools. but you won’t admit they’re even being honest.

You’re as dishonest as any politician wayne. The liberal can never be wrong, the conservative can never be right. Obviously the truth isn’t nearly that simple, but you have convinced yourself that it is. That’s unbelievably dishonest.



Jim just be honest if you can ?
you post twisted alternative facts after alternative facts. And try to sell them here as a national crisis. You repeat everything you hear on right wing media.. aka lies and regurgitating them

From parents being targeted as domestic terrorist to Paul pelosi
To porn in school , teachers indoctrinating children or groomers to the POTUS controls gas prices

The list is never ending

But here is what is missing and no surprise because we know you’re deep in right wing web


Pompeo calling teachers union president Is “the Most Dangerous Person in the World”—Ahead of Kim Jong Un

You Teachers unions are evil. (Classic). But the Doj targeted parents lol

Then 3 pages of school choice grievances while you’re kids don’t go to public school ?

The pillow guy running for RNC chair

You : silence.

Trump dinning with Nicholas Fuentes

You : silence

Counties in Arizona, Pennsylvania fail to certify election results by legal deadlines

You silence.
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Trump Demands Kari Lake Be 'Installed' as Ariz. Governor

Former President Donald Trump, citing a "criminal voting operation," demanded that fellow Republican Kari Lake be "installed" as Arizona's governor after irregularities on election day threw the race into question.

And people will still vote for this bum?
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Jim just be honest if you can ?
you post twisted alternative facts after alternative facts. And try to sell them here as a national crisis. You repeat everything you hear on right wing media.. aka lies and regurgitating them

From parents being targeted as domestic terrorist to Paul pelosi
To porn in school , teachers indoctrinating children or groomers to the POTUS controls gas prices

The list is never ending

But here is what is missing and no surprise because we know you’re deep in right wing web


Pompeo calling teachers union president Is “the Most Dangerous Person in the World”—Ahead of Kim Jong Un

You Teachers unions are evil. (Classic). But the Doj targeted parents lol

Then 3 pages of school choice grievances while you’re kids don’t go to public school ?

The pillow guy running for RNC chair

You : silence.

Trump dinning with Nicholas Fuentes

You : silence

Counties in Arizona, Pennsylvania fail to certify election results by legal deadlines

You silence.
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"you post twisted alternative facts after alternative facts"

I posted that 13 public high schools in Baltimore, among all of them, had zero students doing math at grade proficiency. Is that twisted, alternative fact? If so, how come? Not just because you say so!

I posted that despite your saying that educating kids is the responsibility of the parents, you like the idea of all of us chipping in for your student loans.

I posted that despite your saying that educating kids is the responsibility of the parents, you don't think parents have the right to ask about what's taught and to have an opinion.

I posted that despite your saying that educating kids is the responsibility of the parents, you don't think parents have the right to use their own tax dollars to educate their kids how they see fit.

Wayne, you actually believe that it's better public policy if my tax dollars are used to pay off your childs student loans that you chose to take on, rather than to pay for my kids to attend the school I think best serves their needs. You're saying you have more of a right to my money, than I do.

How are your kids more entitled to my money, than my kids? Why won't you answer that? How in Gods name does one become that entitled?

Unions. That's how.

JThen 3 pages of school choice grievances while you’re kids don’t go to public school ?


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I said repeatedly, all of us have a vested interest in good public schools, whether our kids are in private schools, or even if we have no kids.

Wayne, the fact that I care about the quality of public schools even though my kids don't attend, is proof that I care about people other than me. I want every single kid to have the same choices that my kids have.

I'm not silent on anything. You're the one who never responds to any challenging questions. Prove me wrong. Here goes...by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school for them?

Just answer the question. This is what you clearly believe, so tell us why.

Proof that I'm not the coward you are...

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC.

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes.

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it.

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school for them? Why is your kid's education important enough to spend public money on, but my kids' education isn't?

News flash: If you outlaw abortions, criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth, dictate what educators can teach in schools, and stop people from voting, you're not the party of "limited government."

The sad truth is if Trump really wanted the GOP to disown him, he should have met with Liz Cheney instead of Kanye or Nick Fuentes.
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News flash: If you outlaw abortions, criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth, dictate what educators can teach in schools, and stop people from voting, you're not the party of "limited government."

The sad truth is if Trump really wanted the GOP to disown him, he should have met with Liz Cheney instead of Kanye or Nick Fuentes.
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Conservatives want abortion decided at the state level, not at the federal level. That's perfectly in keeping with the idea of smaller federal government and more local control, which is the basis of conservatism. If it matters, it's also exactly in accordance with what the US constitution says. Once at the state level, advocating against the slaughter of a million unborn babies a year is hardly totalitarian. We like life. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

"criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth"

This is so new, no one has had a chance to think about anything, the left keeps running as far as it can into the liberal abyss. I'm not sure how I feel about physically or chemically mutilating kids who aren't capable of making those decisions yet. I know how I feel about forcing female athletes to share locker rooms with boys.

"dictate what educators can teach in schools"

You really are an idiot. The idea that parents can have a say in what gets taught, is exactly in line with the idea of small government. We want individuals to have some influence, rather than letting the government have all the say. Your philosophy, which is to take tons of money from parents but forbid them from having a meaningful say in how it's spent, is obviously the big government approach. As often is the case with you, you git it exactly wrong.

"stop people from voting cheating"

Do drug tests stop people from working?

Fixed it for you. I have a friend who voted via mail-in ballot. The security there is that they validate the signature on the ballot (because everyone is trained to be handwriting analysts, right?). He's right-handed. He signed his ballot with his left hand, and signed it intentionally to look nothing like anything he has ever signed before. His ballot was accepted. It's obviously ripe with potential for fraud. I picked up a mail-in ballot for a relative who's in a nursing home, they just handed it to me without asking any questions. They had no idea who I was, nor did they care. There's no conceivable way of knowing that she would be the one to fill it out and return it.

"you're not the party of "limited government."

You are when the other side wants the federal government to be massive.

Wayne does this too. He says that every time a conservative proposes any kind of law, that he's violating the principles of small government. Wanting small government, isn't the same as wanting zero government.

Stick to claiming that John Brown and Abe Lincoln were liberals.

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

wayne, we all benefit from roads and the military. Only your daughter benefits from going to college. that’s on her.

here’s an idea. when you take out a loan, you pay it back.

Crazy, i know.

Why is it ok for lu kid tax dollars to go to pay for your daughters college education, but not my kids private high school? Why do you have more of a right to those tax dollars

If my kids leave the public school, that helps the public school. Smaller class sizes, more money to spend on fewer kids. That’s a benefit to society.

Paying your kids student loan benefits you, no one else.

If your issue is that it’s public money, then give me a tax credit i stead of cutting me a check. Are you ok with school choice now?

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment

So I take it then that there should be no federal grant money or student loan forgiveness for students who attended BYU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Notre Dame or any other private religious schools?
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wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

Predictable

This is just the stages of right wing acceptance
"Trump didn't do it: he was set up"
"He did it, but it wasn't illegal"
"It may have been, illegal, but so what? Not like he killed anyone "
"We're proud he did it because (insert Hunter, Hillary, Obama deflection.")

I don’t think you could overstate how completely Obama broke Jims mind. The fact that a black man was the most powerful person in the world for eight years and was popular and largely successful absolutely destroyed white power mythology and psychology and was the apocalypse for poor victims
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Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment


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I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

So Jim do you actually think that the guy who’s a former Potus and announced he is Running again who has a staff and a secret service detachment 24x7. Just allows anyone to just show up? And say. Hello really?



A simple google search shows who this guy was. Trumps people know this guy is ..

But not you your convinced Trump had no idea.. but you have no issues suggesting Paul Pelosi knew his attacker .. that’s some twisted rationale you have
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Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile.

Seek help Jim I guess you missed 4years of Trumps bile. Oh wait I am positive you support his bile. Why else would you defend him endlessly
Seeing you feel he is a victim and people keep

smearing him, attacking him, investigating him.

That usually happens to Scumbags their like onions there’s layer after layer of deceit, lies, half truths, questionable business practices. The list is endless and not made up.
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I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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There’s really no difference between Boston College and Saint John’s Prep in regards to their religious affiliation. Why is it OK to use tax dollars towards a BC education and not OK to use Tax Dollars towards a Saint John’s education?
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There’s really no difference between Boston College and Saint John’s Prep in regards to their religious affiliation. Why is it OK to use tax dollars towards a BC education and not OK to use Tax Dollars towards a Saint John’s education?
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St. John's University is a Roman Catholic institution open to students of all faiths.

However it's not funded and owed by the catholic church or other Church .. an affiliation Allows them have the ethics and belief system of their religion built into available programs, student organizations, and daily life.. but students are not mandated to attend or hold the same religious beliefs to attend ,

So there are no public funds to finance religious instruction and indoctrination.

As I see it like this If ones School choice is Church owned and Run and financed by a church diocese.. like All Saints Catholic School in fall River whom accept any student regardless of belief.

Still no public moneys should be allowed to fund students to attend it due to its Ownership and funding control

Not Saint John’s University, Saint John’s Prep. A private middle/high school in Danvers MA.

They are pretty much the same as BC as far as affiliation.

Why is BC good, but SJP bad?
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Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile.

Seek help Jim I guess you missed 4years of Trumps bile. Oh wait I am positive you support his bile. Why else would you defend him endlessly
Seeing you feel he is a victim and people keep

smearing him, attacking him, investigating him.

That usually happens to Scumbags their like onions there’s layer after layer of deceit, lies, half truths, questionable business practices. The list is endless and not made up.
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People were burned to death at a Sharpton hate rally. Yet he is revered on the left.

I've said 1,000 times Trump is a morally bankrupt person. But his policies helped the country. Two things can be true at the same time. Just because you're too simple-minded to grasp that, doesn't mean it isn't true.

I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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"you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese"

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. NONE. Paul and I went to the same exact catholic high school, there were Jews and Muslims there. Same with the school my son goes to now. There are also openly gay students at my sons catholic high school.

These local schools are not wholly funded by the churches. Parents pay tuition. The church kicks in some to be sure, but not nearly all. Not even close!

You're literally making up whatever horsesh-t fits your opinion, instead of letting actual facts form your opinion.

Why is BC good, but SJP bad?
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Because that indefensible position serves his agenda. That's the only reason why.

Of course whatever college his daughter went to, is suitable for public money to be diverted to him to help pay the cost.

Also, there are MANY private high schools that have no religious affiliation whatsoever. So what argument is there to no allow public money to help fund non-religious private schools? None.

Wayne, if your beef is with the religious component, you have zero standing to oppose school choice for private schools that are secular, which are everywhere.

WDMSO, add to the list of things you don't understand, what "separation of church and state" means. It's very clear, what it means is that there is no official state religion. It does NOT mean that government and religion can never intersect. The nation was literally founded on religious principles.

Here's what that means to school choice. If the government said that public money can be used to fund catholic schools but not schools of other religions, THAT would be a violation of church and state. Letting people pick whatever religious school they wanted (or one of MANY private schools that have no religious affiliation) is not a violation of the separation of church and state.

Wrong again.

My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

Well crafted article to confuse the reader. Can't draw any inference bc there are no footnotes and the writer tries to confuse the reader. Also the report was written in 2004 when the priest scandals where still coming to light.

The state report doesn't say it was from public school "teachers" yet the article claims "teachers". It also defines sexual misconduct much much broader than what would be considered illegal enough for a priest to get arrested so it is using a far lower bar and comparing apples to oranges. Says 1 in 10 will be subject to sexual "misconduct by an employee" yet later say only about 5% of sexual "abuse" is reported. Switching terms to confuse as misconduct is not abuse. A teacher would get in trouble for hugging a child (sexual misconduct) while a priest won't be arrested for that same action. Finally, there are many many more teachers than priests so need to compare on a per capita basis - again the article was written w/an agenda. Edit - any public school emp. who thinks someone did something inappropriate w/a child HAS to report that person or will be subject to firing at the least and prob. criminal charges - a person working in a parish is not subject to those requirements.


"Considering this, 10% (roughly 4.5 million children) of public school students have experienced some form of sexual misconduct by the time they graduate high school, yet of the 77.4 million Catholics in the United States, .01% reported claims of child sexual abuse (10,667 children). It has also been studied and concluded that about 4.4% of all clerics were known to sexually abuse children between 1946 and 2014, yet it is estimated that roughly 5% of men are pedophiles and those numbers do not even take into account the incidence of female sexual predators at all. These numbers make a harsh case against public school employees."

a counter point article - prob. written by someone with the opposite agenda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/excatholic/comments/mgawhw/the_teachers_abuse_more_kids_than_priests_thing/

The “teachers abuse more kids than priests” thing is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&
Sexual Abuse
Someone mentioned this here in another thread, and I was interested because literally today someone on Reddit had parroted this exact talking point to me. (One high-profile example: https://cathnews.co.nz/2011/04/08/sexual-abuse-by-teachers-10-times-higher-than-priests/ )

So I decided to look into it a little.

If you Google anything related to “teachers vs priests abuse” or similar words, you’ll get a bunch of articles by Catholic publications (or by Catholic opinion authors who are rephrasing statements put out by Catholic institutions). Even if you look closely at these pro-Catholic articles though the figures don’t add up:

No empirical data exists that suggests that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religious traditions or from other groups of men who have ready access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches).

(That’s from the first article that usually comes up when you Google the subject, https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/do-the-right-thing/201808/separating-facts-about-clergy-abuse-fiction)

Which makes it look like the numbers are the same, except that he is referring to men, and over 75% of teachers in public schools are female. Obviously there are female abusers, but they are more rare than male ones, so statistically a public school is still safer.

Or this one:

”The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

Literally nothing given there to back that up, but even so, it doesn’t mention the fact that there are close to 200 times as many public school employees in the US as there are priests. Even if you are generous and narrow it down to teachers (discounting people like teacher’s aides and support staff who also have access to kids) the number is still around 100 to 1. So even if you are super generous with the numbers and take them at their word then it only comes up even, not 100 times worse like they’re implying.

Edit: I think they might have got the "100 times worse" number from the lady quoted in this article (https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03) who literally in the same article admits that her numbers are probably bull#^&#^&#^&#^&

Ms. Shakeshaft acknowledged that the accuracy of such comparisons might be thrown off by any number of factors, including undercounting of youngsters abused by priests. But that uncertainty only underscores the need for better research on the prevalence of sexual misconduct in the schools, she argued.

Most of the other stuff I found was just vague bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, more misleading stats (comparing actual reported clerical abuse rates to general estimates of “percentage of men who are predators”) and more whining about how unfairly they’d been treated by the media.

Anyway my point isn’t that teachers do not abuse kids (we need to be wary of predators in any field that allows access to children), just that Catholics are in love with this #^&#^&#^&#^&ing talking point even though it’s based on a bunch of misleading bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

Paul I make no claims to the validity of the data I provided. I assume it was published by a pro catholic advocate. My point was that sexual abuse is also a thing in public schools. Pete will never concede that because he's not interested in truth, only in serving The Narrative.

WDMSO said very explicitly that schools like Notre Dame High, our alma mater, are funded only by the church and that they don't let non-catholics attend.

I'm just trying to inject a tiny sliver of truth.

I'm Catholic, and I'm not in love with anything related to pedophilia. But I don't like it when the left only talks about abuse at the hands of priests. That's done to serve an agenda. And that's not defending the priests, lock them up for life. But let's also discuss abuse that happens at the hands of public school teachers, doctors, and other religions. If you follow the media, you'd assume it's only a Catholic problem. It's a larger societal problem.

My company writes a lot of professional liability insurance for hospitals, nursing homes, and public schools. Sex abuse claims are non-stop.

every profession has issues w/abuse. The reason people have a huge problem with churches is that they hid it and claim to represent a higher authority and morals.

I am not Catholic (but am Christian) and while required to take religion class was never made to feel "less than" anyone in class. We all had to lead a prayer when it was our turn (can't remember if it was the beginning of the day or in religious class??) and I would either say the lord's prayer or give thanks for different things, etc. like I would do at a Thanksgiving meal.

every profession has issues w/abuse. The reason people have a huge problem with churches is that they hid it and claim to represent a higher authority and morals.

I am not Catholic (but am Christian) and while required to take religion class was never made to feel "less than" anyone in class. We all had to lead a prayer when it was our turn (can't remember if it was the beginning of the day or in religious class??) and I would either say the lord's prayer or give thanks for different things, etc. like I would do at a Thanksgiving meal.

Agreed the church problem was twofold, the actual abuse (obviously) and also covering it up. No question those are both massive scandals which the church has to answer for. Did other religions, and other professions, NOT cover it up in the 1960s and 1970s like the Catholic church did? I don't know.

I'm glad you never felt ostracized for not being Catholic, while at catholic school. My son's school (ST Paul in Bristol) has a diverse group of students, including kids from the LGBTQ community.

Did you know that George Logan, who ran unsuccessfully for Congress in Connecticut's 5th congressional district, went to ND? Class of 1987. My brother is friendly with him.

Florida, DeSantis yank billions in investments from 'woke' BlackRock over ESG investing

ESG analysis has become an increasingly important part of the investment process. For investment professionals, a key motivation in the practice of considering environmental, social, and governance (ESG) issues as part of their financial analysis is to gain a fuller understanding of the companies in which they invest.


Ron playing the woke card hard for hi 2024 run and his need to out Trump Trump to woo the far right primary voters

and of course other Red states have jumped on the bandwagon fighting a mythic battle with Taxpayers money and retirement funds LOL

Texas Fought Against ESG. Here’s What It Cost analyzed data from the first eight months of the law and estimated that Texas cities will pay an additional $303 million to $532 million in interest on $32 billion in bonds.
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/texas-fought-against-esg-heres-what-it-cost/

because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

Would your kids even tell you if they’d been abused?

In public education they are very aware of child abuse and have strong programs regarding it.

In the Catholic Church/school world just whom among the many clergy administrators decides how to cover it up this time?

Earlier this year, the Southern Baptist Convention acknowledged they spent years protecting over 700 ministers and church workers who were credibly accused of sexual abuse. I’m sure they found them all, didn’t they?

2nd largest Christian denomination in the U.S—and nobody is discussing it.
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In public education they are very aware of child abuse and have strong programs regarding it.


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Well if you say so, that's good enough for me!! Youve never been caught fabricating ANYTING.

Well if you say so, that's good enough for me!! Youve never been caught fabricating ANYTING.

Poor victim
Never mind the continual half truths you post and believe

What was the reason you claim to have gotten out of education?
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Poor victim
Never mind the continual half truths you post and believe

What was the reason you claim to have gotten out of education?
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You have a very interesting take on what it means to be a victim Pete.

"What was the reason you claim to have gotten out of education?"

"Claim"?

Loved the kids, despised the effect of the union, didn't much care for the parents, who in the city I taught were mostly irresponsible deadbeats. And if I'm being honest, money was part of the reason. I'd love to teach math at a tiny catholic school after my kids are out of college though. A place where I could just teach and not spend half my time being a disciplinarian/social worker.

Former president Donald Trump expressed solidarity with the mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, sending a video of support to a fundraising event Thursday night hosted by a group called the Patriot Freedom Project that is supporting families of those being prosecuted by the government.

But Jim’s upset about teachers and their union who the real threat towards His and Trumps and his supporters vision of America
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When the GOP runs without an agenda, when the GOP runs unqualified extreme candidates, when the GOP can’t surf the expected red wave and their savior is having lunch with anti semitics and white supremacy leaders; while they completely underestimate how effective the Biden administration has been I wonder what their plan is for 24.

Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority rule.

When the GOP runs without an agenda, when the GOP runs unqualified extreme candidates, when the GOP can’t surf the expected red wave and their savior is having lunch with anti semitics and white supremacy leaders; while they completely underestimate how effective the Biden administration has been I wonder what their plan is for 24.

Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority rule.

Unless it’s tax cuts the GOP calls any legislation bad ..

Seeing the haven’t passed or I should say had many bills signed by Republican presidents

But all bill are not created equal
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Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority.

Hitler? yes that’s me, i’m a nazi sympathizer, me who’s mom has the maiden name “Greenspun.”. bob, when you go to deranged dishonest extremes, you’re carrying a sign that says “i can’t respond to what he’s saying, so i’m going to make up gibberish and pretend he said things he never came close to saying.”

if the gop is a fringe party ( out of touch with a majority of americans) PLEASE explain why the gop has a healthy majority of state governorships and state legislatures. and has for years.

Please explain that. I’ll wait.

Hitler? yes that’s me, i’m a nazi sympathizer, me who’s mom has the maiden name “Greenspun.”. bob, when you go to deranged dishonest extremes, you’re carrying a sign that says “i can’t respond to what he’s saying, so i’m going to make up gibberish and pretend he said things he never came close to saying.”

if the gop is a fringe party ( out of touch with a majority of americans) PLEASE explain why the gop has a healthy majority of state governorships and state legislatures. and has for years.

Please explain that. I’ll wait.

I'm responding to the thread and I'm pretty sure Trump is a 24 candidate, so go unravel your panties and take a breath.

I'm responding to the thread and I'm pretty sure Trump is a 24 candidate, so go unravel your panties and take a breath.

you responded dishonestly to the thread. The gop are nazi sympathizers? again, that’s what one says when one knows that can’t around to the actual issues.

https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/republicans-dominate-state-legislatures-blog/

you responded dishonestly to the thread. The gop are nazi sympathizers? again, that’s what one says when one knows that can’t around to the actual issues.

https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/republicans-dominate-state-legislatures-blog/

Jim no news on your TV other than Faux News channel, so I guess you missed the fact Trump's (yeah 24 candidate) recent lunch guess was just booted from Twitter for saying “I like Hitler,” “I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis,” and, “I see good things about Hitler".

Panties are tight Jim they are cutting off blood flow to your brain.

Jim no news on your TV other than Faux News channel, so I guess you missed the fact Trump's (yeah 24 candidate) recent lunch guess was just booted from Twitter for saying “I like Hitler,” “I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis,” and, “I see good things about Hitler".

Panties are tight Jim they are cutting off blood flow to your brain.

i watch CNN and MSNBC as much as i watch fox.

trumps lunch guest admitted Trump didnt appear to know who he was. Kanye west asked trump if this guy could join he and trump, trump said yes. he didn’t have any way to do a background check on the guy on the spot. As far as i know, there’s no evidence that trump knew who the guy was. no one had heard of this guy until this broke. he wasn’t well know.

Doesnt trump have enough actual, irrefutable flaws to satisfy you? why do you have to make stuff up?

seems like you got distorted information from your news source on this one. but i’m the idiot for watching fox.

al sharpton was invited to obama’s white house dozens and dozens of times. that’s public information. He’s a rabid racist and liar who has caused people to die at his rallies. . But that’s ok! Right?

i watch CNN and MSNBC as much as i watch fox.

trumps lunch guest admitted Trump didnt appear to know who he was. Kanye west asked trump if this guy could join he and trump, trump said yes. he didn’t have any way to do a background check on the guy on the spot. As far as i know, there’s no evidence that trump knew who the guy was. no one had heard of this guy until this broke. he wasn’t well know.

Doesnt trump have enough actual, irrefutable flaws to satisfy you? why do you have to make stuff up?

seems like you got distorted information from your news source on this one. but i’m the idiot for watching fox.

al sharpton was invited to obama’s white house dozens and dozens of times. that’s public information. He’s a rabid racist and liar who has caused people to die at his rallies. . But that’s ok! Right?

Well for starters, those Hitler comments were from West, who Trump knows very well and so what Trump looses in 2020 and he magically becomes an ordinary citizen who can sit down with anyone who might heap praise on him? Trump is well aware, or at least he should be as a candidate for 2024, optics of everything you do will be used against you. Well maybe his defense is he is a fing idiot.

Well for starters, those Hitler comments were from West, who Trump knows very well and so what Trump looses in 2020 and he magically becomes an ordinary citizen who can sit down with anyone who might heap praise on him? Trump is well aware, or at least he should be as a candidate for 2024, optics of everything you do will be used against you. Well maybe his defense is he is a fing idiot.

if trump is personally responsible for every word spoken by every person he knows, fine. Apply that same standard to biden who has a long close history with al sharpton. .

trump “should be” well aware of the personal beliefs of every single person he meets? he shouldn’t sit down with anyone he hasn’t done a background check on?

fine. explain why every democrat presidential
candidate in the last 25 years has missed al sharptons ring. and explain why that’s not a problem
for you.

answer: but trump!!!

bob i can’t attach pics with my phone. but you can google pics of biden being chummy with Al Sharpton, Harvey Weinstein, etc. how many would
it take before your day there’s a problem there?

Trump wants to suspend the constitution and reinstate him to power and Maga cowards support him

but but Hunters laptop
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bob i can’t attach pics with my phone. but you can google pics of biden being chummy with Al Sharpton, Harvey Weinstein, etc. how many would
it take before your day there’s a problem there?

Six days after sexual harassment allegations were originally made against Harvey Weinstein, former Vice President Joe Biden expressed his disgust with the Hollywood executive and Democratic megadonor.

Since photos equal guilt

Trump wants to suspend the constitution and reinstate him to power and Maga cowards support him

but but Hunters laptop
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Funny video:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watch-gop-officials-eerily-repeat-exact-talking-points-on-trump-s-call-to-end-constitution-that-were-mocked-by-morning-joe/ar-AA14Y2y8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=957d26bdd7b9469ab4ea75e6d260c2e5

Biden to visit another semiconductor plant to celebrate the CHIPS Act


In the four months since he signed the Chips and Science Act of 2022 into law, President Biden has made a habit of visiting semiconductor plants — or plants to be — to tout the effects of the law.

Recent stops have included the groundbreaking of an Intel (INTC) facility in Ohio and a Micron (MU) plant in upstate New York. On Tuesday, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) will host the president as it unveils an upgrade of its capabilities in Phoenix and announce plans to build a second facility nearby.





Foxconn mostly abandons $10 billion Wisconsin project touted by Trump
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Another example of hot air VS actual legislation

The last Trump backed and wacky under qualified GOP candidate is shown the door and now Manchin can’t hold legislation hostage.

WHAT Trump wasn't being audited? I'm curious RR, Jim, Scott and the entire MAGA universe; how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? Are there that many Americans so stupid they can't see this guy for what he is, I still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased.

WHAT Trump wasn't being audited? I'm curious RR, Jim, Scott and the entire MAGA universe; how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? Are there that many Americans so stupid they can't see this guy for what he is, I still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased.


the gop is selling the mythical 87 thousand IRS agents as Democrats going after regular Americans …

But also selling Jan 6th never happened and Trumps been framed

Yet they refuse to condemn tax fraud and remain silent on Trumps and other’s failures to pay taxes . By suggesting it’s not illegal so STFU.
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funny just read the GOP is once again running to the defence of trump Using the excuse of some how it risks the privacy of of every american calling it a political new weapon! really Bidens Tax returns are out there in the open Even Hunters Are

But Republicans want us to believe seeing Trump's Tax returns is a New Political weapon... I guess wanting transparency on people's business ties and loans owned suddenly isn't a national security priority to the GOP ..

to give an example If you want a security clearance at any level. In the us government Just the Amount of Debt you have is Huge in considering if you get a clearance or you don't... but the POTUS who has access to all our secrets the GOP say Nah we dont need to know who he owes or were he gets his loans



"Ways and Means Democrats are unleashing a dangerous new political weapon that reaches far beyond President Trump, and jeopardizes the privacy of every American," Brady said in a statement last week. "Going forward, partisans in Congress have nearly unlimited power to target political enemies by obtaining and making public their private tax returns to embarrass and destroy them."

Brady added that releasing confidential records wouldn't be limited to public officials, but potentially private citizens, businesses, labor leaders and even Supreme Court justices.

Yep all conspiracy theorists

WHAT Trump wasn't being audited?

You must me wrong. He told us hundreds of times he couldn't release his taxes bc he was being audited?

WHAT Trump wasn't being audited? I'm curious RR, Jim, Scott and the entire MAGA universe; how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? Are there that many Americans so stupid they can't see this guy for what he is, I still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased.

"how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? "

Here's how I feel. If he obeyed the law, big whoop. If he broke the law, arrest him.

The democrats controlled the show for the last 2 years. If they wanted to change the tax code, why didn't they?

" still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased"

You're too stupid to see it. Nobody gives him money because they think he's a swell guy. The give him money, because unlike you, they're rational and honest enough to remember that life for most Americans was easier under Trump than it was under Obama, and easier than it is now.

GS, if you worked for a huge company, would you rather have a CEO who was awesome at his job but a pr*ck in his personal life, or a nice guy who couldn't get anything right?

I'm old enough to remember the Bill Clinton years, when the left said to ignore the personal behavior, and focus on public policy. That made sense to me then, it makes sense to me now.

The left only care about ethics when there an immoral republican in the spotlight.

"how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? "

Here's how I feel. If he obeyed the law, big whoop. If he broke the law, arrest him.

The democrats controlled the show for the last 2 years. If they wanted to change the tax code, why didn't they?

" still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased"

You're too stupid to see it. Nobody gives him money because they think he's a swell guy. The give him money, because unlike you, they're rational and honest enough to remember that life for most Americans was easier under Trump than it was under Obama, and easier than it is now.

GS, if you worked for a huge company, would you rather have a CEO who was awesome at his job but a pr*ck in his personal life, or a nice guy who couldn't get anything right?

I'm old enough to remember the Bill Clinton years, when the left said to ignore the personal behavior, and focus on public policy. That made sense to me then, it makes sense to me now.

The left only care about ethics when there an immoral republican in the spotlight.

You really are drunk on the Trump cult messaging, you really belief he was awesome at his job, that’s a sad statement in and of itself. Not surprising from you, it’s your MO, so if Trump wins the primaries I assume he gets your vote.

Wonder why he didn’t want his taxes audited…….was his good friend or lover financing him…..

Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8 million loan from a company with ties to North Korea while he was president, Forbes reported Sunday, citing documents uncovered by the New York attorney general’s office.
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You really are drunk on the Trump cult messaging, you really belief he was awesome at his job, that’s a sad statement in and of itself. Not surprising from you, it’s your MO, so if Trump wins the primaries I assume he gets your vote.


he obeyed the law, big whoop. If he broke the law, arrest him.

That’s the party line until he’s investigated or charged than it’s a witch hunt lol
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Trump lost in 2020 because on every single day of his presidency a poll-measured majority of the American people disapproved of him. There was no trick, not by Twitter, not by anyone. He did it all to himself. His supporters refused to see it then-and refuse to understand it now.
Fact. Trump failed as president. He is despised by mainstream America because character matters.
Not in Jim’s world where Brittney Griner is a villain and Kyle Rittenhouse a hero?
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Trump lost in 2020 because on every single day of his presidency a poll-measured majority of the American people disapproved of him. There was no trick, not by Twitter, not by anyone. He did it all to himself. His supporters refused to see it then-and refuse to understand it now.
Fact. Trump failed as president. He is despised by mainstream America because character matters.
Not in Jim’s world where Brittney Griner is a villain and Kyle Rittenhouse a hero?
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Now wait, Jim told us most Americans approved of Trumps governing, Jim told us all Americans were better off under Trump, he couldn’t possibly have lost in 2020; now I’m starting to believe the big lie.

"how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? "

Here's how I feel. If he obeyed the law, big whoop. If he broke the law, arrest him.

The democrats controlled the show for the last 2 years. If they wanted to change the tax code, why didn't they?

" still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased"

You're too stupid to see it. Nobody gives him money because they think he's a swell guy. The give him money, because unlike you, they're rational and honest enough to remember that life for most Americans was easier under Trump than it was under Obama, and easier than it is now.

GS, if you worked for a huge company, would you rather have a CEO who was awesome at his job but a pr*ck in his personal life, or a nice guy who couldn't get anything right?

I'm old enough to remember the Bill Clinton years, when the left said to ignore the personal behavior, and focus on public policy. That made sense to me then, it makes sense to me now.

The left only care about ethics when there an immoral republican in the spotlight.

There’s no equivalence. Look at Hutchinson, threats, pressure to lie, promises of being taken care of if she's loyal. This is 100% how a mob syndicate works. Let me put it another way: this is a mob syndicate.
And you’re fine with that, because character doesn’t matter.
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