was hoping to not post on Xmas Morning in the spirit of christmas

But it seems those christians who complained Biden didn't mention Jesus in his holiday address.. Had other ideas and plans for christmas


Multiple busloads of migrants were dropped off at Vice President Kamala Harris’s residence in Washington, D.C. on Saturday — Christmas Eve — leaving migrants on the streets in below-freezing temperatures, according to multiple reports.

Three busloads of migrants were driven to D.C.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) was responsible for Saturday’s incident

So let me get this straight if these people are illegals .. that makes
Abbott a coyote .

But they have legal status or they wouldn't be on the bus.

He's just using and abusing Migrants AKA humans as political props

was hoping to not post on Xmas Morning in the spirit of christmas

But it seems those christians who complained Biden didn't mention Jesus in his holiday address.. Had other ideas and plans for christmas


Multiple busloads of migrants were dropped off at Vice President Kamala Harris’s residence in Washington, D.C. on Saturday — Christmas Eve — leaving migrants on the streets in below-freezing temperatures, according to multiple reports.

Three busloads of migrants were driven to D.C.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) was responsible for Saturday’s incident

So let me get this straight if these people are illegals .. that makes
Abbott a coyote .

But they have legal status or they wouldn't be on the bus.

He's just using and abusing Migrants AKA humans as political props


Seeing that you’re such a compassionate & caring person, how many will you be taking into your home to house, feed & provide health services to 🤔

Seeing that you’re such a compassionate & caring person, how many will you be taking into your home to house, feed & provide health services to 🤔

We all know you’re not a compassionate caring person

You can’t even acknowledge it’s pathetic D. I. C. K move .

Not surprisingly really seeing you support such behavior from your cowardly politicians ..
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It’s Christmas Eve, how shall we celebrate the anniversary of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Shall we feed the hungry? Clothe the naked? Visit the sick, those in prison and those without home?”

“Nah, let’s get a few bus loads of unsuspecting vulnerable people and dump them on the vice president’s lawn!”

Christian conservative did that..
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We all know you’re not a compassionate caring person

You can’t even acknowledge it’s pathetic D. I. C. K move .

Not surprisingly really seeing you support such behavior from your cowardly politicians ..
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I could care less about them.
So how many you taking in since you care so much ????????

Greg Abbott is a fake Christian, a hypocrite, a vile lowlife devoid of compassion & decency.
Abbott's also an incompetent partisan hack whose gross mismanagement of Texas power grid has left tens of thousands of the state's residents in the dark without heat or electricity.
Greg Abbott went on TV saying the Texas power grid was completely fixed and there would be no problems with the upcoming arctic blast. Christmas 90K are without power. Millions voted for Beto. More were suckers.
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I could care less about them.
So how many you taking in since you care so much ????????

And that’s the that’s the classic deflection across the Maga universe. How many are you taking in?

But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about the treatment of a human being

Not surprising you don’t know the difference between caring and compassion. Or right and wrong

Like said look at the politicians you support
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I could care less about them.
So how many you taking in since you care so much ????????

Given that you could care less shows your lack of compassion - glad you admit it. However, an individual not taking in someone who they don't know doesn't show a lack of compassion.

fixed the quote for you



Multiple busloads of migrants were dropped off at Vice President Kamala Harris’s residence in Washington, D.C. on Saturday — Christmas Eve — leaving migrants on the streets in below-freezing temperatures, many in short sleeve shirts, shorts or with light jackets - all unprepared for historic low temps, according to multiple reports.



Here is Abbott's Christmas message (I'm guessing he didn't grow up going to my church):

The Republican tweeted on December 25 wishing people a Merry Christmas and adding: "May the joy of our Savior's birth fill your hearts today and every day."

The tweet included a picture of a Bible verse from Isaiah 9:6 reading: "For a child has been born for us, a son given to us; authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting Father, prince of peace."

fixed the quote for you



Here is Abbott's Christmas message (I'm guessing he didn't grow up going to my church):

The Republican tweeted on December 25 wishing people a Merry Christmas and adding: "May the joy of our Savior's birth fill your hearts today and every day."

The tweet included a picture of a Bible verse from Isaiah 9:6 reading: "For a child has been born for us, a son given to us; authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting Father, prince of peace."

Abbot and other conservative should look into why the current Pope in from the Americas

Most of those on the buses are clearly more devout Christians

Yet https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/12/23/faith-based-groups-border-unfazed-by-lawmakers-call-investigate-them/

When four Republican congressmen accused Catholic Charities USA of violating federal law by providing food, clothing and shelter to migrants on the U.S.-Mexico border, the organization quickly fired back, calling the allegations “incredibly disturbing,” “fallacious and factually inaccurate.”

And look who sent it


The same day Catholic Charities received the letter — which was signed by U.S. Reps. Lance Gooden (Tex.) Tom Tiffany (Wis.), Jake Ellzey (Tex.) and Andy Biggs (Ariz.) — Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) asked the state attorney general to investigate NGOs that he says have assisted illegal border crossings near El Paso.

To bad the people of Texas are complicit in the treatment of these migrants as are the bus companies and Drivers . I was following orders has been tried it doesn’t cut it.

Kinda like how Germans were complicit in the treatment of the Jews .. Texas and Republicans want and have the camps the relocation effort . the de humanization rhetoric the fear of the invasion and how they are here to steal your jobs your vote’s your woman your way of life. All from GOP leaders ..

they just haven’t started killing them yet.

So in their pee sized brains

they think what they’re doing is different from History
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Given that you could care less shows your lack of compassion - glad you admit it. However, an individual not taking in someone who they don't know doesn't show a lack of compassion.



I never said different.
They are here Illegal and I could care less about taking care of them.
You guys that are “compassionate and caring “ need to put your $ where your mouths are and take them in but just like the politicians (both sides of the isle) want them in someone else’s back yard, not yours.

I never said different.
They are here Illegal and I could care less about taking care of them.
You guys that are “compassionate and caring “ need to put your $ where your mouths are and take them in but just like the politicians (both sides of the isle) want them in someone else’s back yard, not yours.

They are here Illegal

Again you show Us how uninformed you are….

If they didn’t have legal status Abbott couldn’t have put them on a bus In The 1st place
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They are here Illegal

Again you show Us how uninformed you are….

If they didn’t have legal status Abbott couldn’t have put them on a bus In The 1st place
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How many times do I need to ask the question ????
How many are you taking in ???????????

How many times do I need to ask the question ????
How many are you taking in ???????????

Why does he need to take anybody in? That's not a demonstration of compassion that anyone would expect. But again from your prior comments I don't think you understand what compassion is. How sad. Trying to make a political Point by intentionally hurt people is unbelievable.
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How many times do I need to ask the question ????
How many are you taking in ???????????

Taking is as many as you . Zero

Just I am not the one being a douche .
Thinking manipulating humans and treating people like animals for political props is acceptable so I guess I am Guilty of compassion

If the have their hearing and they can’t stay . And get sent back so be it.. that’s the law
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Taking is as many as you . Zero

Just I am not the one being a douche .
Thinking manipulating humans and treating people like animals for political props is acceptable so I guess I am Guilty of compassion

If the have their hearing and they can’t stay . And get sent back so be it.. that’s the law
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Go ahead and admit it.
Not in my backyard but you think it’s ok to dump all over the country where you and those that think like you are not effected !

was hoping to not post on Xmas Morning in the spirit of christmas

But it seems those christians who complained Biden didn't mention Jesus in his holiday address.. Had other ideas and plans for christmas


Multiple busloads of migrants were dropped off at Vice President Kamala Harris’s residence in Washington, D.C. on Saturday — Christmas Eve — leaving migrants on the streets in below-freezing temperatures, according to multiple reports.

Three busloads of migrants were driven to D.C.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) was responsible for Saturday’s incident

So let me get this straight if these people are illegals .. that makes
Abbott a coyote .

But they have legal status or they wouldn't be on the bus.

He's just using and abusing Migrants AKA humans as political props

Wayne, if you oppose what Abbott did, then tell me why border states should have to bear this burden, not the communities who advocate for open borders. The left wants this, well this is what you are advocating for. Why should citizens of border states have to bear the burden of a federal issue?

It's very easy to say you advocate for open borders when you know you'll never have to see an illegal immigrant. Those swell people on Marthas Vineyard took selfies with the brown skinned people to show how woke they are, then called in the military to get them the hell off their island enclave.

Given that you could care less shows your lack of compassion - glad you admit it. However, an individual not taking in someone who they don't know doesn't show a lack of compassion.

I agree 100% with what you said.

But Paul, why should southern states bear the overwhelming majority of this burden? If the left advocates for open borders and sanctuary cities, shouldn't the left WANT these people in their communities?

I'm not saying you or Wayne should let these people live in your house to practice what you preach. But if your side actually believes what you claim to believe (instead of engaging in empty, unprincipled, woke virtue-signaling), then the communities which advocate for this, would insist on paying taxes to build enclaves where these immigrants can live.

Just last week, the mayor of NYC announced he may have to cut vital social services to tax paying New Yorkers, and divert that cash to take care of the larger-than-typical number of illegals living there.

If NYC can't handle a few more, how are the citizens in AZ and TX supposed to respond to the avalanche they deal with every day?

As you are fond of pointing out, the red southern states are poorer than northern blue states. Given that, how are they supposed to deal with this?

It just really looks like your side likes to look good by advocating for open borders and establishing sanctuary cities, but then they get angry when faced with the real, inevitable consequences of that policy.

I'm anti abortion. If abortion were ever outlawed (and it won't be), I'd be thrilled to pay more in taxes to build whatever facilities are needed to care for the larger number of babies that would then exist. I don't see liberals thrilled at the prospect of stepping up and accepting responsibility for the inevitable results of what they claim to advocate here. They want open borders, but they want someone else to deal with it. Wayne clearly expects someone else to deal with it, as did the swells on Marthas Vineyard.

An argument I hear frequently on the left, is that illegal immigrants somehow "pay for themselves", as though they pay more in taxes than they consume in services. It's so stupid a notion it's hard to believe that anyone could even say it with a straight face.

But here's the NYC mayor saying that illegal immigrants are s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up so much tax revenue, that he may have to cut vital social services to his tax-paying residents.

This is what happens when you advocate for open borders and sanctuary cities.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11555023/NYC-mayor-warns-city-cut-public-services-cope-migrant-influx.html

An argument I hear frequently on the left, is that illegal immigrants somehow "pay for themselves", as though they pay more in taxes than they consume in services. It's so stupid a notion it's hard to believe that anyone could even say it with a straight face.

But here's the NYC mayor saying that illegal immigrants are s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up so much tax revenue, that he may have to cut vital social services to his tax-paying residents.

This is what happens when you advocate for open borders and sanctuary cities.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11555023/NYC-mayor-warns-city-cut-public-services-cope-migrant-influx.html

pay for themselves"

They do Jim . It’s called over time.

Only guys like you would conclude that statement suggests no money is spent

Keep the open borders just more right wing conspiracies

I love this comment

I'm not saying you or Wayne should let these people live in your house to practice what you preach.

What are we preaching Jim dignity compassion fair treatment under they law ..

Keep practicing your goose stepping and your stiff arm salute . And showing us how morally bankrupt you are.
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pay for themselves"

They do Jim . It’s called over time.

Only guys like you would conclude that statement suggests no money is spent

Keep the open borders just more right wing conspiracies

I love this comment

I'm not saying you or Wayne should let these people live in your house to practice what you preach.

What are we preaching Jim dignity compassion fair treatment under they law ..

Keep practicing your goose stepping and your stiff arm salute . And showing us how morally bankrupt you are.
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"They do Jim . It’s called over time."

So why isn't the NYC mayor calling it "an investment that will pay #^&#^&#^&#^&? Why didn't your fellow lefties on the Vineyard keep them?

"Keep the open borders just more right wing conspiracies"

Sure Wayne, the border is sealed up tight.

"What are we preaching Jim dignity compassion fair treatment under they law .."

Sure. That's what you're preaching. As long as someone else pays for it and provides it.

Wayne, if you oppose what Abbott did, then tell me why border states should have to bear this burden, not the communities who advocate for open borders. The left wants this, well this is what you are advocating for. Why should citizens of border states have to bear the burden of a federal issue?

It's very easy to say you advocate for open borders when you know you'll never have to see an illegal immigrant. Those swell people on Marthas Vineyard took selfies with the brown skinned people to show how woke they are, then called in the military to get them the hell off their island enclave.



Keep the open borders mantra going .. those on the all of Abbott stunt busses have legal status

And those who don’t are returned

Only in your imagination open borders only happen when there is a democratic POTUS .

The current net migration rate for U.S. in 2022 is 2.784 per 1000 population, a 1.28% decline from 2021.
The net migration rate for U.S. in 2021 was 2.820 per 1000 population, a 1.3% decline from 2020.
The net migration rate for U.S. in 2020 was 2.857 per 1000 population, a 1.24% decline from 2019.
The net migration rate for U.S. in 2019 was 2.893 per 1000 population, a 1.23% decline from 2018.

Some invasion
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Keep the open borders mantra going .. those on the all of Abbott stunt busses have legal status

And those who don’t are returned

Only in your imagination open borders only happen when there is a democratic POTUS .

The current net migration rate for U.S. in 2022 is 2.784 per 1000 population, a 1.28% decline from 2021.
The net migration rate for U.S. in 2021 was 2.820 per 1000 population, a 1.3% decline from 2020.
The net migration rate for U.S. in 2020 was 2.857 per 1000 population, a 1.24% decline from 2019.
The net migration rate for U.S. in 2019 was 2.893 per 1000 population, a 1.23% decline from 2018.

Some invasion
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wayne they have legal status until
their hearing. But they came here illegally.

are you saying that all these people came though legal ports of entry? that wending have huge numbers crossing at illegal points, points which are controlled on the other side by some nasty cartels? that’s a right wing myth?

the proof is in the pudding. when northern blue places are asked to share the burden, they get angry. why is that?

you’re all for it wayne, as long as someone else does all
the work and bears all the expense.

But they came here illegally.

No Jim you’re making stuff up again shocking in an attempt to ignore the truth

If you cross illegally you are not processed that why

Biden has deported almost 700,000 migrants.

Is seeking asylum legal? Yes, seeking asylum is legal—even during a pandemic. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum.

That’s the law Jim stop suggesting it’s not being followed
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But they came here illegally.

No Jim you’re making stuff up again shocking in an attempt to ignore the truth

If you cross illegally you are not processed that why

Biden has deported almost 700,000 migrants.

Is seeking asylum legal? Yes, seeking asylum is legal—even during a pandemic. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum.

That’s the law Jim stop suggesting it’s not being followed
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he deported 700,000?

if that’s true, here’s data that says CBP stopped 2.76 million undocumented immigrants in 2022. where are they all?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517

wayne, the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling. You want to talk they all and her credit, but you want someone else to pay for it. Classic liberalism.

MYTH: "Immigrants don't pay taxes"
On average, undocumented immigrants contribute more in taxes than they consume in public benefits, and are estimated to have contributed nearly $50 billion in federal taxes between 1996 and 2003. They also contribute between $7-8 billion in social security funds annually--that's $100 billion in the past 15 years that they will never claim.
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he deported 700,000?

if that’s true, here’s data that says CBP stopped 2.76 million undocumented immigrants in 2022. where are they all?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517

wayne, the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling. You want to talk they all and her credit, but you want someone else to pay for it. Classic liberalism.


the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling.

Keep thinking Jim they all stay in Texas and Arizona you love staying away from facts why is that?

So now you’re blaming other states for not reaching out to Texas

Wow more deflection in an attempt to dismiss defend and support Abbott disgusting behavior . By blaming others not surprised

Here are the 10 states with the highest percentage of immigrants:
California - 26.60%
New Jersey - 23.00%
New York - 22.30%
Florida - 21.20%
Hawaii - 18.80%
Nevada - 18.40%
Massachusetts - 17.60%
Texas - 17.20%
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Border patrol lingo

Encounter

Migrant encounters track the number of people arrested by Border Patrol agents in between ports of entry or denied admission into the country at a port of entry and deported.


Apprehension happen inside the borders United States

CBP defines an apprehension as "the physical control or temporary detainment of a person who is not lawfully in the United States, which may or may not result in an arrest."


but the Gop loves to misrepresent these differences
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Border patrol lingo

Encounter

Migrant encounters track the number of people arrested by Border Patrol agents in between ports of entry or denied admission into the country at a port of entry and deported.


Apprehension happen inside the borders United States

CBP defines an apprehension as "the physical control or temporary detainment of a person who is not lawfully in the United States, which may or may not result in an arrest."


but the Gop loves to misrepresent these differences
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so there no big number of people crossing at places other than legal checkpoints. No crisis of rapes at illegal entry points on the mexican side. No problem with fentanyl getting smuggled in at illegal
crossing points.

you should have your own newsletter to set the record straight. You really owe it to the rest of us. all the border agents are lying, all the footage of people
crossing the tip grande are fake ( unless there are a legal checkpoint that requires folks to wade across the river first.

it’s a completely manufactured crisis. No legitimacy to it.

But Paul, why should southern states bear the overwhelming majority of this burden?

Never said that they should and I can understand them sending busloads of people north but they are doing it in a way that inflicts maximum hurt on those people. NYC mayor adams asked to be notified when the buses would arrive and they won't do it. What is the downside to doing it other than it doesn't inflict as much damage on those people.

So the discussion, debate, shifts from immigrants being here illegally to where they should be placed to live here. This is some crazy $hit.

So the discussion, debate, shifts from immigrants being here illegally to where they should be placed to live here. This is some crazy $hit.

and they should be placed where rich democrats never have to see them.

Since their unexpected arrival last month — and following a brief stay at Joint Base Cape Cod — 47 of the Martha’s Vineyard migrants have found housing in Massachusetts.

“They are now living in Lowell, Brockton, Stoughton, Provincetown, and other towns on Cape Cod and Martha’s Vineyard,” Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, executive director of Lawyers for Civil Rights (LCR), confirmed in an email to Boston.com. The non-profit legal organization is representing several of the migrants.

Last week, the Texas sheriff leading an investigation into the migrants’ transport from San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard certified that the migrants were all victims of a crime.

The certifications from Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar’s office open the door for the migrants to apply for U-visas, special visas only available to victims of certain crimes. Salazar previously asserted that the migrants were lured onto the flights under false pretenses.

LCR also filed a class action lawsuit last month against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — who took credit for the flights — and other “accomplices.”

Documents released on Friday show that top staffers in the DeSantis administration, including Chief of Staff James Uthmeier, were directly involved in the transport, Politico reported.
In the two weeks leading up to the flights, Uthmeier sent texts and had phone calls with Larry Keefe, Florida’s public safety czar, according to Politico. The messages make it clear that Keefe was on the ground in Texas to help coordinate the flights — with Uthmeier’s full support, the news outlet reported.

“Wheels up,” Keefe reportedly texted Uthmeier the day of the first flight to Martha’s Vineyard.
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Wait until the GOP takes over the congress, they will finally get this all sorted out, I'm sure Trump left them the playbook to get this immigration problem solved once and for all.

Go ahead and admit it.
Not in my backyard but you think it’s ok to dump all over the country where you and those that think like you are not effected !

Mass get plenty of migrants sounds like you never heard of Springfield Fall River Worcester..

Yet You are the one screaming scared yelling not in my backyard not me .

I support treating people with dignity and respect .

So how you twist that into some how being un American
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so there no big number of people crossing at places other than legal checkpoints. No crisis of rapes at illegal entry points on the mexican side. No problem with fentanyl getting smuggled in at illegal
crossing points.

you should have your own newsletter to set the record straight. You really owe it to the rest of us. all the border agents are lying, all the footage of people
crossing the tip grande are fake ( unless there are a legal checkpoint that requires folks to wade across the river first.

it’s a completely manufactured crisis. No legitimacy to it.

I love this comment coming from a Jan 6th who claims it didn’t happen and all the testimony was fake, but now suddenly you want to use video as proof on the border

(the border agents are lying, all the footage of people)



As if you give a damn about migrants women getting raped you won’t even condemn Abbot for his actions

And fentanyl isn’t coming in on the backs of migrants, but nice try
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So the discussion, debate, shifts from immigrants being here illegally to where they should be placed to live here. This is some crazy $hit.

If their on a bus they have legal status. Not sure how that’s a hard concept to understand
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[QUOTE=wdmso;1236722]Mass get plenty of migrants sounds like you never heard of Springfield Fall River Worcester..

Yet You are the one screaming scared yelling not in my backyard not me .

You are making my point for me.
They dump them off in Springfield,Fall River, Worcester….
ALL #^&#^&#^&#^&HOLES !!!
A few bus loads gets shipped to the Vinyard and Baker sends the national guard to get them out !

If their on a bus they have legal status.

Wow . . . the illegal immigrants should immediately hop a bus when they cross the border . . . and stay on it . . . they could take up residence there and always have legal status . . .

[QUOTE=wdmso;1236722]Mass get plenty of migrants sounds like you never heard of Springfield Fall River Worcester..

Yet You are the one screaming scared yelling not in my backyard not me .

You are making my point for me.
They dump them off in Springfield,Fall River, Worcester….
ALL #^&#^&#^&#^&HOLES !!!
A few bus loads gets shipped to the Vinyard and Baker sends the national guard to get them out !

So your arguement (I think) is that whereever tx or fl decides to send them is where they need to stay? If they are dropped off in the freezing cold with no clothes other than what is on their back in Greenwich Ct they are supposed to be kept there? Dropped off in Wellesley Ma - they get apartments in Wellesely! Dropped off in Barrington RI - they get apartments in Barrington.

:rotflmao:

Wow . . . the illegal immigrants should immediately hop a bus when they cross the border . . . and stay on it . . . they could take up residence there and always have legal status . . .

There not illegal when they cross at a point of entry. Maybe you need to go watch a few YouTube videos to educate yourself on the process
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[QUOTE=wdmso;1236722]Mass get plenty of migrants sounds like you never heard of Springfield Fall River Worcester..

Yet You are the one screaming scared yelling not in my backyard not me .

You are making my point for me.
They dump them off in Springfield,Fall River, Worcester….
ALL #^&#^&#^&#^&HOLES !!!
A few bus loads gets shipped to the Vinyard and Baker sends the national guard to get them out !

Classic the only place immigrants live are #^&#^&#^&#^&. Holes

Not a student of history are you. All those cities and many more have always been immigrant cities from Irish Italian Portuguese Puerto Rican Cuban Nigerian Vietnamese Afghan..

. Next you’ll suggest sending them to Block island . Then complain when they get relocated because there are no facilities to house them

What new lies will you tell in 2023.

First it was dominion voting machines and dead people, that couldn’t be proven. Then it was 2000 mules which was totally debunked.A touch of Maricopa county election hacking which was totally unproven. Then they blamed QR codes. Now it’s all about Twitter. I wonder what the election deniers and the invasion
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Classic the only place immigrants live are #^&#^&#^&#^&. Holes

Not a student of history are you. All those cities and many more have always been immigrant cities from Irish Italian Portuguese Puerto Rican Cuban Nigerian Vietnamese Afghan..

. Next you’ll suggest sending them to Block island . Then complain when they get relocated because there are no facilities to house them

What new lies will you tell in 2023.

First it was dominion voting machines and dead people, that couldn’t be proven. Then it was 2000 mules which was totally debunked.A touch of Maricopa county election hacking which was totally unproven. Then they blamed QR codes. Now it’s all about Twitter. I wonder what the election deniers and the invasion
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RR’s opinions shouldn’t surprise anyone, he is our resident super narcissist and Trump mini me.

There not illegal when they cross at a point of entry. Maybe you need to go watch a few YouTube videos to educate yourself on the process
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I was just making a little funny. Your comment "If their on a bus they have legal status" made me laugh.

BTW, not all of them crossed at a point of entry. Regarding those that were bussed to other cities, a google search (not youtube--gee golly I educated myself with something other than youtube, which, actually I do often) stated "Tens of thousands of migrants who cross the border illegally from Mexico are released in the United States each month with notices to appear in immigration court to pursue asylum . . ." This was directly in regards to the question if those that have been bussed elsewhere were here legally.

So the "legal status" you referred to, for many, if not most, is temporary, and many, if not most, will be sent back to whence they came if the law is followed properly.

Unless they just remained on the bus forever, as you said, "If they're on a bus they have legal status."

Never said that they should and I can understand them sending busloads of people north but they are doing it in a way that inflicts maximum hurt on those people. NYC mayor adams asked to be notified when the buses would arrive and they won't do it. What is the downside to doing it other than it doesn't inflict as much damage on those people.

i didn’t mean to claim you think they should ( i’m confident you don’t believe that, but wayne thinks that, because he thinks the crisis is all a right wing myth) but the fact is, they are. They bear the brunt of this. it’s not even close to fair.

havent the feds bussed and flown these people around in the middle of the night as well? but that’s ok?

Agreed, they should be told they’re coming. That’s not much to ask!

Every state should have to take a proportionate share. Nothing unfair about that. But the islanders on the Vineyard had no interest in that. They claim they have no infrastructure for them. Who does?

Hard to believe we can’t agree that it’s a good idea to have a sealed up border. But the two sides can’t agree even in that.

Anyway hope you guys had a good holiday and enjoy an awesome 2023.

the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling.

Keep thinking Jim they all stay in Texas and Arizona you love staying away from facts why is that?

So now you’re blaming other states for not reaching out to Texas

Wow more deflection in an attempt to dismiss defend and support Abbott disgusting behavior . By blaming others not surprised

Here are the 10 states with the highest percentage of immigrants:
California - 26.60%
New Jersey - 23.00%
New York - 22.30%
Florida - 21.20%
Hawaii - 18.80%
Nevada - 18.40%
Massachusetts - 17.60%
Texas - 17.20%
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that’s legal immigrants, right? data that doesn’t include illegals, is meaningless.

Every state should have to take a proportionate share. Nothing unfair about that. But the islanders on the Vineyard had no interest in that. They claim they have no infrastructure for them. Who does?

Hard to believe we can’t agree that it’s a good idea to have a sealed up border. But the two sides can’t agree even in that.


But if Abbott sent EVERY busload to the vineyard you and Ronnie's arguement seem to be that they should ALL be allowed to stay there.


Both sides need to agree on comprehensive immigration reform from border security to visas to allowing PHD students we train to stay here - and more.

that’s legal immigrants, right? data that doesn’t include illegals, is meaningless.

Ya Jim you’re back to you (what about the ones we don’t know )

They go we’re other immigrants live it not rocket science And actually the data doesn’t s specify legal or illegal.

Your a numbers guy. Why would you think un documented people would change those % by any meaningful percentage points

Estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. range from 10.5 million to 12 million, or approximately 3.2%–3.6% of the population.

so Jim you and republicans need to make up your minds and stop moving the goalposts

Is it a broken immigration system, or is it securing the same border Trump left Biden. That now it’s magically open ? Or is it dems importing Votes , or is it fentanyl

Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench

Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth

In his written dissent, Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, said he did not discount the states’ concerns about a potential border crisis but said “the emergency” on which the Title 42 orders were adopted “has long since lapsed.”

“For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns,” wrote Gorsuch, who was joined by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. “But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.”
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But if Abbott sent EVERY busload to the vineyard you and Ronnie's arguement seem to be that they should ALL be allowed to stay there.


Both sides need to agree on comprehensive immigration reform from border security to visas to allowing PHD students we train to stay here - and more.

i’d never seriously say that martha’s vineyard should take them all. They couldn’t come close to all fitting there. But the optics were pretty funny that the wealthiest liberals to be found who advocate for these policies, called in the military to get them the hell off their little exclusive island enclave. “not in my backyard” kind of a thing.

Paul, i have said many times the GOP is too pigheaded and extremist when it comes to guns. I’d say the same thing about democrats when it comes to border security.

If people like you were in congress, you’d figure it out before lunch on the first day. Because it’s not hard to figure out border security if you are guided by logic rather than by partisan rhetoric. I’d bet there are very few western developed nations that are as far away as we are, from dealing with it. Because we elect whores instead of problem
solvers, and that applies to both sides.

Ya Jim you’re back to you (what about the ones we don’t know )

They go we’re other immigrants live it not rocket science And actually the data doesn’t s specify legal or illegal.

Your a numbers guy. Why would you think un documented people would change those % by any meaningful percentage points

Estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. range from 10.5 million to 12 million, or approximately 3.2%–3.6% of the population.

so Jim you and republicans need to make up your minds and stop moving the goalposts

Is it a broken immigration system, or is it securing the same border Trump left Biden. That now it’s magically open ? Or is it dems importing Votes , or is it fentanyl

Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench

Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth

In his written dissent, Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, said he did not discount the states’ concerns about a potential border crisis but said “the emergency” on which the Title 42 orders were adopted “has long since lapsed.”

“For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns,” wrote Gorsuch, who was joined by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. “But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.”
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i think gorsuch has a point, but i don’t know if we know that covid isn’t still a crisis among people
who are crossing illegally.

in any event, unlike you, i don’t expect those on my side to tow the line 100% of the time. i like people who think, not sheep who bleat what they are told.

I love Gorsuch.

Title 42 has been used by the federal government to expel asylum seekers without a hearing since the Trump administration instituted it in March 2020. It was never about Covid and all Republicans attorneys generals are in collusion to keep a policy in place they know is being illegally

Title 42 expulsions are removals by the U.S. government of persons who have recently been in a country where a communicable disease was present. The extent of authority for contagion-related expulsions is set out by law in 42 U.S.C. § 265.
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Title 42 has been used by the federal government to expel asylum seekers without a hearing since the Trump administration instituted it in March 2020. It was never about Covid and all Republicans attorneys generals are in collusion to keep a policy in place they know is being illegally

Title 42 expulsions are removals by the U.S. government of persons who have recently been in a country where a communicable disease was present. The extent of authority for contagion-related expulsions is set out by law in 42 U.S.C. § 265.
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If it were illegal, any number of lefty organizations would have sued on their behalf and won.

Trump did it, therefore in your mind it MUST be illegal and immoral.

Here's a radical idea...you want to enter a country, follow their rules and do it legally, not necessarily the way that's most convenient for you at the time! Crazy I know!

i think gorsuch has a point, but i don’t know if we know that covid isn’t still a crisis among people
who are crossing illegally.

in any event, unlike you, i don’t expect those on my side to tow the line 100% of the time. i like people who think, not sheep who bleat what they are told.

I love Gorsuch.

I don't think Wayne understands what legislating from the bench is. Gorsuch was doing the opposite of that. His choice was to strike down a policy, not create one.

And he also pointed out even though the border crisis, in his opinion, was no longer a Covid one, that it is still a crisis. Don't see how any of that makes him a Rino as Wayne implied. Republicans ("Conservatives") would agree with Gorsuch that, in his words, "We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.” As well, they would agree, as they have been vociferously saying, that the border situation is a crisis.

Democrats (Progressives), on the other hand, for the past hundred years, have acted as if the Court should create policies. And they have a problem with admitting that there is any unusual crisis at the border--nor do they seem anxious to stem the tide of border crossers.

Democrats were against Democrat written (Republican passed) 1964 Civil Rights Bill until Democrat LBJ discovered "N-worders will be voting Democrat for the next 200 years" behind receiving Government welfare.
Illegal aliens are nothing more than Democrat pawns so Democrats can continue to cheat elections.

In 2013 Dems passed a bipartisan immigration reform bill in the Senate.
House Republicans refused to allow the bill to even be debated.
Obama asked the Republicans to propose their own bill.
Republicans refused.
Then Republicans demanded Obama do something about illegal immigration!
So Obama used his executive authority to enact some immigration reforms.
Republicans were outraged and called him a tyrant for doing exactly what they asked him to do.
Because Republicans only know how to corrupt and destroy. Name one constructive thing the GOP has done in the last 10 years.
I’m listening…
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Triggering youse.

Democrats told President Reagan pass 'comprehensive immigration reform' and we'll send them all back next time.
Of course, lying, America hating, baby killing Democrats lied, as Democrats always do.
Name me one thing positive Tories/Democrats have EVER done for this County.

I don't think Wayne understands what legislating from the bench is. Gorsuch was doing the opposite of that. His choice was to strike down a policy, not create one.

And he also pointed out even though the border crisis, in his opinion, was no longer a Covid one, that it is still a crisis. Don't see how any of that makes him a Rino as Wayne implied. Republicans ("Conservatives") would agree with Gorsuch that, in his words, "We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.” As well, they would agree, as they have been vociferously saying, that the border situation is a crisis.

Democrats (Progressives), on the other hand, for the past hundred years, have acted as if the Court should create policies. And they have a problem with admitting that there is any unusual crisis at the border--nor do they seem anxious to stem the tide of border crossers.

You really dont pay attention do you ... who voted to keep it? and are now legislating from the bench.. and republicans suddenly support it.

yes the daggers are already out for Gorsuch from the faithful who are disgusted he broke ranks ...

but please keep thinking that's not happening

If it were illegal, any number of lefty organizations would have sued on their behalf and won.

Trump did it, therefore in your mind it MUST be illegal and immoral.

Here's a radical idea...you want to enter a country, follow their rules and do it legally, not necessarily the way that's most convenient for you at the time! Crazy I know!

Jim do you ever read

Sullivan’s ruling stems from a lawsuit filed in January 2021 by the American Civil Liberties Union and two Texas-based immigrant rights groups that argued Title 42 violated U.S. asylum laws and that the Trump administration used the pandemic as a pretext to invoke Title 42 and use it as an immigration tool.

Last month, Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., ruled that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s use of the order to prevent people from accessing the asylum process is “arbitrary and capricious” and a violation of the law because it was not implemented properly.

Guess missed that

The U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., denied a request from 19 Republican-led states, including Texas, that had asked the three-judge panel to delay lifting the order — known as Title 42 — on Dec. 21. The judges said the states’ request came too late in the process. The states could appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

like I said to the republicans its about immigration not a disease

Democrats were against Democrat written (Republican passed) 1964 Civil Rights Bill until Democrat LBJ discovered "N-worders will be voting Democrat for the next 200 years" behind receiving Government welfare.
Illegal aliens are nothing more than Democrat pawns so Democrats can continue to cheat elections.




Another Cult member living in a fantasy.

Then showing us in writing its true Illegal aliens are nothing more than Democrat pawns so Democrats can continue to cheat elections.

Democrats told President Reagan pass 'comprehensive immigration reform' and we'll send them all back next time.
Of course, lying, America hating, baby killing Democrats lied, as Democrats always do.
Name me one thing positive Tories/Democrats have EVER done for this County.


let me Guess. I bet you support sedition the Jan6th rioters and the attempted overthrow of an american election by a sitting POTUS...

Because you are such a America Lover

You really dont pay attention do you ... who voted to keep it? and are now legislating from the bench.. and republicans suddenly support it.

yes the daggers are already out for Gorsuch from the faithful who are disgusted he broke ranks ...

but please keep thinking that's not happening

I try to pay attention to what you say, but you make it difficult to do. Some of the stuff you say is crazier than stuff Trump says, and it's just as disjointed as his rhetoric. I couldn't tell, from the way you presented it, if you were saying that Gorsuch was legislating from the bench or if it was the other Justices. In either case, you didn't make it clear how they, whoever, was doing the legislating. Voting to keep a policy that was put in place by Congress, or the President, is not legislating from the bench--it is affirming that existing legislation, or policy, made by those others as constitutional. It's what SCOTUS is supposed to do, affirm or strike down. Neither of those decisions is "legislating." Legislating from the bench is when Judges impose their personal opinion (rather than the Constitution) on the law in question in ways that the Judges subjectively consider "good" or socially "just" for society, regardless of, or entirely outside of, the scope and intent of the policy in question--thusly creating "legislation" that was not passed by Congress into law.

It can't tell if you either don't know what you're talking about, or you actually believe that Judges affirming or striking down a law is legislating from the bench. If you believe that, then you would have to believe that the judges are supposed to legislate from the bench since upholding or striking down a law is their constitutional duty--which, I guess, would be sort of the same as you not knowing what you're talking about.

I try to pay attention to what you say, but you make it difficult to do. Some of the stuff you say is crazier than stuff Trump says, and it's just as disjointed as his rhetoric. I couldn't tell, from the way you presented it, if you were saying that Gorsuch was legislating from the bench or if it was the other Justices. In either case, you didn't make it clear how they, whoever, was doing the legislating. Voting to keep a policy that was put in place by Congress, or the President, is not legislating from the bench--it is affirming that existing legislation, or policy, made by those others as constitutional. It's what SCOTUS is supposed to do, affirm or strike down. Neither of those decisions is "legislating." Legislating from the bench is when Judges impose their personal opinion (rather than the Constitution) on the law in question in ways that the Judges subjectively consider "good" or socially "just" for society, regardless of, or entirely outside of, the scope and intent of the policy in question--thusly creating "legislation" that was not passed by Congress into law.

It can't tell if you either don't know what you're talking about, or you actually believe that Judges affirming or striking down a law is legislating from the bench. If you believe that, then you would have to believe that the judges are supposed to legislate from the bench since upholding or striking down a law is their constitutional duty--which, I guess, would be sort of the same as you not knowing what you're talking about.


if you were saying that Gorsuch was legislating from the bench

I never made such a suggestion

Just pointing out Gorsuch doesn’t feel the court should be legislating from the bench

And I wrote

“Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench “


Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth

Not sure how you misread my meaning?

In his written dissent, Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, said he did not discount the states’ concerns about a potential border crisis but said “the emergency” on which the Title 42 orders were adopted “has long since lapsed.”
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if you were saying that Gorsuch was legislating from the bench

I never made such a suggestion

Just pointing out Gorsuch doesn’t feel the court should be legislating from the bench

And I wrote

“Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench “


Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth

Not sure how you misread my meaning?

In his written dissent, Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, said he did not discount the states’ concerns about a potential border crisis but said “the emergency” on which the Title 42 orders were adopted “has long since lapsed.”
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As I said, it's difficult to pay attention to you because your writing is so disjointed. You said “Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench “ Ok, so, since SCJ stands for Supreme Court Justice (singular-one Judge), and you then followed that with "Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth"--a single Judge who was the only one you named--and named right after your comment about legislating from the bench.

That was confusing. If not Gorsuch, to which other Judge were you referring? And regardless of which Judge, or Judges, to whom you referred, how were any of them legislating from the bench? I wondered how you considered any of them to be legislating rather than adjudicating. And it seemed to me that if you considered their adjudication to be legislation, then that would indicate that you would believe they were supposed to legislate from the bench since their purpose is to adjudicate, which they did, and you called that legislating.

Your writing was confusing, disjointed, very Trumpesque.

As I said, it's difficult to pay attention to you because your writing is so disjointed. You said “Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench “ Ok, so, since SCJ stands for Supreme Court Justice (singular-one Judge), and you then followed that with "Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth"--a single Judge who was the only one you named--and named right after your comment about legislating from the bench.

That was confusing. If not Gorsuch, to which other Judge were you referring? And regardless of which Judge, or Judges, to whom you referred, how were any of them legislating from the bench? I wondered how you considered any of them to be legislating rather than adjudicating. And it seemed to me that if you considered their adjudication to be legislation, then that would indicate that you would believe they were supposed to legislate from the bench since their purpose is to adjudicate, which they did, and you called that legislating.

Your writing was confusing, disjointed, very Trumpesque.

I not a writer. You’ll get no argument from me
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let me Guess. I bet you support sedition the Jan6th rioters and the attempted overthrow of an american election by a sitting POTUS...

Because you are such a America Lover


Jeepers youse Democrats have withdrawn the President Donald J Trump subpoena.

Jeepers youse Democrats have withdrawn the President Donald J Trump subpoena.

Yeah, because the investigation is over and they made referrals to the DOJ...

Yeah, because the investigation is over and they made referrals to the DOJ...

Don't feed the troll.

Don't feed the troll.

Sorry, I forgot who I was responding to:hidin:

Jeepers youse Democrats have withdrawn the President Donald J Trump subpoena.

What no answer! yes or no ? Nope

just more defection

But you got response’s when it involves

cake bakers must not be forced to bake queers cake
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Don't feed the troll.

Well RR could use a crazy partner and Jim could use someone deflecting the attention from his crazy shrouded in whataboutism.

Well RR could use a crazy partner and Jim could use someone deflecting the attention from his crazy shrouded in whataboutism.

If you don't like being exposed as a hypocrite, I'd suggest you try to avoid engaging in hypocrisy.

Bob, if you criticize a republican for doing something...why isn't it a valid response if I point to an example of a democrat you support, who did something similar?

Why isn't it valid to expect that you hold both sides to a similar standard?

Labeling it "whatabout-ism", isn't refuting it.

I'm sure you have a very thoughtful, reasoned reply.

The lefties here wants to expel a republican who lied about his education and work experience. And I agree he should be kicked out. I agree 100%.

But none of you has any problem whatsoever, with a democrat in the US senate who lied for years about serving in the Vietnam War.

So it seems to me, you don't actually have a principle that "politicians should have to be honest". Rather, your principle is that republicans must always be criticized, and that democrats must never be criticized.

Try making that wrong.