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Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course

Florida officials have blocked the introduction of a new advanced-level high school course that teaches African American history.

Governor Ron DeSantis' administration said the proposed course "lacks educational value and is contrary to Florida law".

The course is being rolled out in a pilot programme by the US College Board to 60 high schools across the country.

Officials did not specify what law the course breaks.

A statement by a spokesperson for Florida's Republican governor DeSantis said the course "leaves large, ambiguous gaps that can be filled with additional ideological material, which we will not allow".


"In Florida, we are taking a stand against the state-sanctioned racism that is critical race theory," Mr DeSantis said, citing the academic framework that denotes the existence of systemic racism in American society. yep he knows he need the MAGA white victimized base to win the nomination

Ron is in full blown culture war mode gearing up for His 2024 run and Florida is his guinea pig:btu:

DeSantis Bans Woke Investments From Florida's Retirement System

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, approved measures Tuesday to prevent the Florida Retirement System Pension Plan from investing in accordance with the environmental, social, and corporate governance movement.

profits before people thats funny .... So ron will throw out ESG investments regardless if they produce Higher returns .. than his Non woke investments

talk about an abuse of power playing with people's retirement Money

for political points

Hold on, now. I don't pretend to know what this particular curriculum included, but I will say that the local high school pre-empted a study hall recently to have a speaker for MLK Day basically tell the predominately white student body that they were racists.... So just the course title should not give them a carte blanche to indoctrinate without checking out the facts....

I don't go for extremists on either end of the scale and this course has all the opportunity to be ripe with overstepping the boundaries.

Critical Race Theory or CRT’s base premise is that all white people contribute to racism. And I won't go for that. Do you, Wayne?

Hold on, now. I don't pretend to know what this particular curriculum included, but I will say that the local high school pre-empted a study hall recently to have a speaker for MLK Day basically tell the predominately white student body that they were racists....

What town?
Source?

Marblehead. Three parents who got involved after hearing from their kids. Being hushed up in the local media.

Marblehead. Three parents who got involved after hearing from their kids. Being hushed up in the local media.

I'd love to read a transcript of what was actually said rather than the 3 students perception of it. Not that I am doubting their word, but the full story would be nice.

Critical Race Theory or CRT’s base premise is that all white people contribute to racism. And I won't go for that. Do you, Wayne?
Um, no.

Anyone who feels they are a victim of racism and accuses someone else of being a racist without any evidence of racist behavior is in fact..... wait for it...... A RACIST. :rtfm:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64348902



Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course

Florida officials have blocked the introduction of a new advanced-level high school course that teaches African American history.

Governor Ron DeSantis' administration said the proposed course "lacks educational value and is contrary to Florida law".

The course is being rolled out in a pilot programme by the US College Board to 60 high schools across the country.

Officials did not specify what law the course breaks.

A statement by a spokesperson for Florida's Republican governor DeSantis said the course "leaves large, ambiguous gaps that can be filled with additional ideological material, which we will not allow".


"In Florida, we are taking a stand against the state-sanctioned racism that is critical race theory," Mr DeSantis said, citing the academic framework that denotes the existence of systemic racism in American society. yep he knows he need the MAGA white victimized base to win the nomination

Ron is in full blown culture war mode gearing up for His 2024 run and Florida is his guinea pig:btu:

what’s he at again, exactly?

If FL is his guinea pig, the facts suggest the people are thrilled with the results. He single handedly turned a huge, purple state red. 850 people a day from other states, are moving there.

but he’s a failure. right. He offered signing bonuses to cops when liberals wanted to get rid of them. His states unemployment didn’t increase as much as other states because he didn’t lock down as long. His schools
we’re open longer because he saw, sooner than almost everyone else, that there was no reason to close them.

And zero state i come tax.

Either she’s a terrific governor, or he’s a moron who’s been unbelievably lucky. Educated at yale and harvard, joined the military, sticking by his wife who has cancer.

You’re terrified of him, and with very good reason.

I don’t like what he did with disney, he’s not perfect. but if he can somehow get the nomination, then if the election were today, the only democrat who’d have a prayer is Michelle Obama. Nobody could defeat her.

Larry Hogan on DeSantis: "He’s done a really good job of getting on Fox News...But he certainly hasn’t done it the way Charlie Baker & Phil Scott and I have. We’re consistently the most, the highest job approval in the country...Desantis is down around 30th place among governors"
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Larry Hogan on DeSantis: "He’s done a really good job of getting on Fox News...But he certainly hasn’t done it the way Charlie Baker & Phil Scott and I have. We’re consistently the most, the highest job approval in the country...Desantis is down around 30th place among governors"
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he won re election in a landslide against a popular opponent in FL.

he won re election in a landslide against a popular opponent in FL.

Never underestimate the power of Fox News to prop him up as a front runner, and the MAGA masses to use group think and blinders to obediently follow what the Fox overlords say.

Better get himself some lifts like Trump, he’d be the shortest president since Truman.
Though I think he’s using them to get to 5’9”
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Never underestimate the power of Fox News to prop him up as a front runner, and the MAGA masses to use group think and blinders to obediently follow what the Fox overlords say.

Better get himself some lifts like Trump, he’d be the shortest president since Truman.
Though I think he’s using them to get to 5’9”
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Hey looney tunes, is it a fox myth, or irrefutable fact, that he won what was a purple state recently, by a landslide?

850 people a day moving there...another myth.

Hey looney tunes, is it a fox myth, or irrefutable fact, that he won what was a purple state recently, by a landslide?

850 people a day moving there...another myth.

Well retard, nothing will deter your addiction to DeSantis.
And certainly not a non wacko like Hogan.
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Hey looney tunes, is it a fox myth, or irrefutable fact, that he won what was a purple state recently, by a landslide?

850 people a day moving there...another myth.

Greatest hits all day every day just tune in people to hear your all time favs.

Greatest hits all day every day just tune in people to hear your all time favs.

when you lunatics stop saying he’s incompetent, i’ll stop pointing out facts that show otherwise. fair enough?

bob, FL is a huge and diverse state,,and very recently it was a purple state. He single handedly turned it red, won in a landslide, won miami dade county, and did so largely by showing ridiculous courage in not following the herd on covid-19. i thought he was a lunatic for opening up, but he saw the data and refused to pulverize his citizens for no good reason. that’s pretty much the definition of leadership. and his resume? impressive by any honest standard.

unlike wdmso, i took the time to look up what the syllabus was and why the state objected to it. Part of the syllabus was reparations. That’s telling one group of kids that their skin color makes them guilty of something. There’s a law against public schools peddling that crap in FL, and the citizens there recently had a free election where they re elected the guy who signed that law, by a landslide. This is what Floridians want. And not just what floridians want, judging by the massive numbers of people
moving there.

Hey looney tunes, is it a fox myth, or irrefutable fact, that he won what was a purple state recently, by a landslide?

850 people a day moving there...another myth.

They move there for the warmth and the tax befits.

They move there for the warmth and the tax befits.

southern CA is warm and people aren’t moving there.

tax benefits are obviously a direct result of conservative politics.

obviously they aren’t moving there because they hope to catch a glimpse of Desantis. They’re moving there because they like his policies, one of which is no state income tax.

nebe, the guy showed unimaginable courage by not following the herd and locking down for years during covid. his residents benefitted enormously from that. You can’t give him credit for that? everyone who works, every kid in a public school, benefitted from his leadership on this one issue. Yet Governor Cuomo ( who locked down much longer, has a smaller senior population, yet had a higher death rate) is called the “gold standard” in covid leadership.

They’re moving there because they like his policies, one of which is no state income tax.

Dearest Jim, Florida abolished personal income tax in 1855.

Hold on, now. I don't pretend to know what this particular curriculum included, but I will say that the local high school pre-empted a study hall recently to have a speaker for MLK Day basically tell the predominately white student body that they were racists.... So just the course title should not give them a carte blanche to indoctrinate without checking out the facts....

I don't go for extremists on either end of the scale and this course has all the opportunity to be ripe with overstepping the boundaries.

Critical Race Theory or CRT’s Critical Race Theory or CRT’s base premise is that all white people contribute to racism. And I won't go for that. Do you, Wayne?

My issue is Critical Race Theory or CRT’s are not being taught K-12 anywhere in the nation

Conservatives define CRT as anything they don’t like.. it’s just a trigger word for them .

I think many white people who didn’t grow up in the MLK day or have no experience with blacks as students or friends. hear and think their being accused of being racist

But just being told hard Truths we’ve come a long way from The 50s and 60s but we are definitely not past racism . As a whole

Critical Race Theory or CRT’s base premise is that all white people contribute to racism. And I won't go for that. Do you, Wayne?

My understanding CRT isn’t based on all white peoples are racist. But rather institutions laws and policies and practices are inherently Racist.

And I can understand that argument seeing many laws and still laws are passed to reduce a racial group’s voting rights . Or like the laws between crack and cocaine huge racial differences in sentencing and usage . home mortgages home price lists. Are other examples..

For me in a nutshell CRT is institutional problem not a white person. Problem
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what’s he at again, exactly?

If FL is his guinea pig, the facts suggest the people are thrilled with the results. He single handedly turned a huge, purple state red. 850 people a day from other states, are moving there.

but he’s a failure. right. He offered signing bonuses to cops when liberals wanted to get rid of them. His states unemployment didn’t increase as much as other states because he didn’t lock down as long. His schools
we’re open longer because he saw, sooner than almost everyone else, that there was no reason to close them.

And zero state i come tax.

Either she’s a terrific governor, or he’s a moron who’s been unbelievably lucky. Educated at yale and harvard, joined the military, sticking by his wife who has cancer.

You’re terrified of him, and with very good reason.

I don’t like what he did with disney, he’s not perfect. but if he can somehow get the nomination, then if the election were today, the only democrat who’d have a prayer is Michelle Obama. Nobody could defeat her.

General Flynn was in the military

Don’t be fooled by military service or education or his latest election victory.. against a bad candidate

And paying bonuses for cops with other people’s money is not brave Jim it unethical and political

Florida has never has income tax since 1968 nothing to do with Ron

but if he can somehow get the nomination

How could he lose with all these campaign stunts
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reparations

Another conservative trigger work that somehow equates to CRT

Is Ron going to ban history lessons that we the USA sent tens of thousands of Japanese Americans took their property and sent them to internment camps. Then paid reparations.. claiming CTR.

Not understanding the example above is text book CRT. Because all those actions were instituted by American institutions not individual whites .

In a nutshell Ron and many conservatives want to whitewash history. No pun intended
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And paying bonuses for cops with other people’s money is not brave Jim it unethical and political

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But somehow using other people’s money to pay student loans and/or reparations is A-OK……..nothing unethical or political there. :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=The Dad Fisherman;1237831]But somehow using other people’s money to pay student loans and/or reparations is A-OK……..nothing unethical or political there. :rolleyes:
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Another one who doesn’t understand the difference between for the Social good . And the responsibility of a nation to admit it was wrong

Last time I checked no student’s loans are canceled.. or forgiven thanks to the GOP. Who of course think No Conservatives students would benefit

Poor Ron doesn’t even hide why he does what he does he’s helping himself .
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Dearest Jim, Florida abolished personal income tax in 1855.

and under desantis, there still
isn’t one.

Spence, which governor did a better job than Desantis, during covid, regarding education for children? Who showed actual leadership by ignoring what the sheep were doing, and following actual factual
data which said schools did not need to be closed?

Unlike democrat governors, Desantis isn’t beholden to teachers unions. Therefore he did was was actually best for kids, rather then what made life easiest for union members, , which came at the expense of children.

He showed courage on this one issue, and hit it 800 feet out of the park, and america knows it.

reparations

Another conservative trigger work that somehow equates to CRT

Is Ron going to ban history lessons that we the USA sent tens of thousands of Japanese Americans took their property and sent them to internment camps. Then paid reparations.. claiming CTR.

Not understanding the example above is text book CRT. Because all those actions were instituted by American institutions not individual whites .

In a nutshell Ron and many conservatives want to whitewash history. No pun intended
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reparations was on the proposed syllabus. that’s against state law. you left that out.

And paying bonuses for cops with other people’s money is not brave Jim it unethical and political


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Hey einstein, where does every single cent you ever made as a corrections officer, come from? Do you have a lemonade stand yiu set up that generates that money? Or does it come
From the confiscation of other peoples
money? Which is ok, as long as it flows to you.

The guy who supports the idea that everyone else should kick in and repay part of his kid’s student loans, all of a sudden says public spending is unethical?

Wayne, he won in a landslide. His constituents think you are full of crap.

But somehow using other people’s money to pay student loans and/or reparations is A-OK……..nothing unethical or political there. :rolleyes:
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the lack of actual principles, is stunning.

Everything is ok when democrats do it, everything is evil when republicans do it.

P.S. false equivalence! I call false equivalence!

reparations

Another conservative trigger work that somehow equates to CRT

Is Ron going to ban history lessons that we the USA sent tens of thousands of Japanese Americans took their property and sent them to internment camps. Then paid reparations.. claiming CTR.

Not understanding the example above is text book CRT. Because all those actions were instituted by American institutions not individual whites .

In a nutshell Ron and many conservatives want to whitewash history. No pun intended
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we haven’t made any reparations for slavery? 400,000 dead union soldiers? affirmative action? welfare spending in the trillions?

let’s take your suggested approach to helping blacks. Put an abortion clinic on every corner in black neighborhoods, reduce police presence in black neighborhoods, force poor black kids to remain in failing schools that cannot possibly help them, and now, let’s have legal, open drug spaces where they can be enabled to do hard drugs.

How many open-air, legal, hard drug zones will there be in Greenwich CT, or on Nantucket, or in Beverly Hills? Any guesses? They’ll all be in the poor cities. Because we love those people?

[QUOTE=The Dad Fisherman;1237831]But somehow using other people’s money to pay student loans and/or reparations is A-OK……..nothing unethical or political there. :rolleyes:
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Another one who doesn’t understand the difference between for the Social good
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more cops can never be for social good?

Atta boy, Columbo.

And “poor Ron” is an absolute rock star. You’re humiliating yourself again.

and under desantis, there still
isn’t one.

Spence, which governor did a better job than Desantis, during covid, regarding education for children? Who showed actual leadership by ignoring what the sheep were doing, and following actual factual
data which said schools did not need to be closed?

Unlike democrat governors, Desantis isn’t beholden to teachers unions. Therefore he did was was actually best for kids, rather then what made life easiest for union members, , which came at the expense of children.

He showed courage on this one issue, and hit it 800 feet out of the park, and america knows it.
You forgot the part about how Desantis created the Florida plateau 530 million years ago to give the incoming residents a thousand miles of beaches to enjoy.

He also closed schools like every other state, the difference is he pompously backtracked so people like you would think it never happened. FL and NY have similar populations and tell me who has had more Covid deaths.

You forgot the part about how Desantis created the Florida plateau 530 million years ago to give the incoming residents a thousand miles of beaches to enjoy.

He also closed schools like every other state, the difference is he pompously backtracked so people like you would think it never happened. FL and NY have similar populations and tell me who has had more Covid deaths.

Is Desantis responsible for the current state public policy, after a full 4’year term? Yes or no?

Please tell how it’s not in the interests of “public good” to offer sign on bonuses to attract new police officers, but it is in the interests of public good if other people’s money is used to pay off student loans that your family agreed to pay back.

I’ll wait.

No one said FL schools were never closed. But he opened them back up way before blue states did. And he was right. He was right, because he was reacting to scientific data, while democrat governors took their orders from teachers unions.

Excess deaths during the pandemic were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats in two states, Ohio & Florida. What’s more, the partisan gap in death rates increased significantly after vaccines were introduced. Probably the Globalist WEF mind control.
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Excess deaths during the pandemic were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats in two states, Ohio & Florida. What’s more, the partisan gap in death rates increased significantly after vaccines were introduced. Probably the Globalist WEF mind control.
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what are “excess deaths”? and how did they determine who was a republican and who was a democrat? who tracked that?

go make up some more quotes from MTG.

DeSantis will never get out of Florida. Watch him on the debate stage. All of his fascist moves. Now going after the Covid vaccine. DM walking. Maybe senator but that’s it.
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DeSantis will never get out of Florida. Watch him on the debate stage. All of his fascist moves. Now going after the Covid vaccine. DM walking. Maybe senator but that’s it.
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you dodged my question, shocker. who records party affiliation when someone does? i’ve never heard of that before.

f an election were today, he’d destroy Biden. Can you picture that debate? Who knows what will happen between now
and then, i don’t think he can beat trump in a primary unless it’s the two of them

do you know what fascism means? People
are associating florida with “freedom”. freedom to keep
more of their earnings, freedom to not be locked
down, etc.

what are “excess deaths”? and how did they determine who was a republican and who was a democrat? who tracked that?

go make up some more quotes from MTG.

Excess deaths are typically defined as the difference between the observed numbers of deaths in specific time periods and expected numbers of deaths in the same time periods. This visualization provides weekly estimates of excess deaths by the jurisdiction in which the death occurred. Weekly counts of deaths are compared with historical trends to determine whether the number of deaths is significantly higher than expected.

You don’t know how statistics work?
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you dodged my question, shocker. who records party affiliation when someone does? i’ve never heard of that before.

f an election were today, he’d destroy Biden. Can you picture that debate? Who knows what will happen between now
and then, i don’t think he can beat trump in a primary unless it’s the two of them

do you know what fascism means? People
are associating florida with “freedom”. freedom to keep
more of their earnings, freedom to not be locked
down, etc.

Ron DeSantis banning AP African American studies, and asking colleges for a detailed list of students who received gender affirming care in the span of a few days.
This makes his position very clear: DeSantis is a racist and fascist who is trying to purify (for racists and anti-diversity crowd) what is taught in public schools and universities.
Amazing to realize DeSantis’s whole racist, fascist political career is built exclusively on the word “woke”.
Just the man for you Jim, you’re drawn to hatred like a moth to a flame.
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You don’t know how statistics work?
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Clearly he doesn’t which is pretty scary considering he claims to be an actuary.

He also doesn’t understand the Florida’s effective tax rate is similar to or higher than many southern states.

Or that people move to Florida for a reason other than politics and have been for years. I wonder if he's surprised when he hears there are more people golfing in Florida then in say New England. Florida is benefiting from the same thing that it's always benefited from i.e. retirees moving to a warmer climate. The difference is now that with the baby boomers reaching retirement age there are more people retiring.
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Or that people move to Florida for a reason other than politics and have been for years. I wonder if he's surprised when he hears there are more people golfing in Florida then in say New England. Florida is benefiting from the same thing that it's always benefited from i.e. retirees moving to a warmer climate. The difference is now that with the baby boomers reaching retirement age there are more people retiring.
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Wait, and they can golf YEAR ROUND?

Failed stunts The potential Republican presidential candidate said Wednesday that he is considering scrapping all state taxes on gas stoves,



Here’s the Rub 90% of Floridians use electric stoves. Lol

Or that people move to Florida for a reason other than politics and have been for years. I wonder if he's surprised when he hears there are more people golfing in Florida then in say New England. Florida is benefiting from the same thing that it's always benefited from i.e. retirees moving to a warmer climate. The difference is now that with the baby boomers reaching retirement age there are more people retiring.
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i never said he’s the only reason. but liberals love to say it’s all about weather, which is ridiculous because CA has nice weather and folks aren’t flocking there.

Paul if it’s all about warmth, why aren’t people
flocking to southern CA?

That’s what happens when you regurgitate an idiotic argument without giving it any thought whatsoever.

Wait, and they can golf YEAR ROUND?

Last I checked, you can also golf year round in southern CA. But for some reason, way way more people move to FL.

Why do you suppose that is?

I’ll wait.

Excess deaths are typically defined as the difference between the observed numbers of deaths in specific time periods and expected numbers of deaths in the same time periods. This visualization provides weekly estimates of excess deaths by the jurisdiction in which the death occurred. Weekly counts of deaths are compared with historical trends to determine whether the number of deaths is significantly higher than expected.

You don’t know how statistics work?
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i didn’t know how that statistic worked.

for the third time, how do they know how many republicans and how many democrats died?

you cited the statistic. please
explain it, or else we know you made it up.

Clearly he doesn’t which is pretty scary considering he claims to be an actuary.

He also doesn’t understand the Florida’s effective tax rate is similar to or higher than many southern states.

from the Tax Foundation, for year 2022, FL had the 11th lowest state+local tax rates in the nation.

it’s a low cost state that offers a good enough quality of life that’s attracting 850 people
a day.

Spence, please name one blue state with very low state + local taxes, which offers a quality of life sufficiently attractive that Americans
are moving there in big numbers?

https://taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-burden-rankings/

i didn’t know how that statistic worked.

for the third time, how do they know how many republicans and how many democrats died?

you cited the statistic. please
explain it, or else we know you made it up.

I understand how it works and understood his explanation.

I understand how it works and understood his explanation.

what explanation? he said more republicans died if
covid than democrats, or something like that. I’m not talking about “excess deaths”, i’m talking about claiming that we track party affiliation of everyone who does from covid. Maybe we do. wasn’t aware of it, detbuch and i have each asked him, he keeps dodging.

So to your claim, why aren’t people who want warm weather, moving to southern CA? Why are they picking FL in huge numbers?

CA has disneyland, so it’s not because they all
want to see Mickey. The weather is actually way nicer in southern CA than it is in FL.

What’s the reason?

the suburbs off NH are also growing like crazy, they can’t build $700,000 houses fast enough. Unless they’re all moving in from the Ross Ice Shelf, no one is moving to Bow NH or Hollis/Brookline NH, for warmth.

People are realizing that you don’t get what you pay for, when it comes to such things. Here in CT our reckoning is coming. We’ll be bouncing teacher pension checks within 10 years, because not enough money exists to fund them

what’s he at again, exactly?

If FL is his guinea pig, the facts suggest the people are thrilled with the results. He single handedly turned a huge, purple state red. 850 people a day from other states, are moving there.



i never said he’s the only reason. but liberals love to say it’s all about weather, which is ridiculous because CA has nice weather and folks aren’t flocking there.

Paul if it’s all about warmth, why aren’t people
flocking to southern CA?

That’s what happens when you regurgitate an idiotic argument without giving it any thought whatsoever.

You just said 850 are moving there bc FL is his guinea pig and people are thrilled with the results. So you're saying it is bc of his policies, but when it was pointed out people have always moved there and move there for other reasons you backtrack.

And I'm regurgitating an idiotic arguement:hihi:

You're toxic.

Health rankings:

Look at Conn, Mass, FL and the conservative utopia of Tenn.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/reports/2022-annual-report

Kaiser foundation has other interesting stats also. Tells a similar story.

But you use the # and claim

i claim that conservative politics is part of it. I claim that, because it’s obviously, obviously true. Taxes is a big reason why FL is attractive, and that’s a political issue. People also love that he bucked the trend and opened things back up much sooner than other states did during covid

If the risk he took was a disaster, i’d be the first one attacking him for gambling with his citizens lives. But the fact is, he wasn’t wrong, the liberals were wrong. Desantis absolutely clobbered them with his handling of covid, how much sooner he opened up businesses, how much sooner he put kids back in schools. he also wasn’t constantly caught violating the rules he demanded everyone else live by. Gavin Newsom can’t say the same thing.

Health rankings:

Look at Conn, Mass, FL and the conservative utopia of Tenn.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/reports/2022-annual-report

Kaiser foundation has other interesting stats also. Tells a similar story.

i want aware that the state determined health. Paul, if you moved to FL, how exactly would the state make you fat, stupid, and poor?

i immediately concede that there are cultural things in the south that are unhealthy, unproductive, and very unattractive. Those are choices people make, they aren’t decided by state government dictates

i wouldn’t want to live in Bridgeport, neither would you. We don’t blame governor lamont for that, nor does he deserve much credit for the fact that Fairfield County is in CT. That’s the luck of having beautiful coastline near the financial center of the globe.

when new engländers move to FL, they take their values with them. They don’t all quit school
and eat fried twinkies all
day and live in trailers.

Put it this way. there are some very nice suburbs in NH with an amazing quality of life. They enjoy zero state income tax and no state sales tax.

Please Paul, point me to the nice suburbs in CT which have zero state income tax and zero state sales tax.

I’m not saying every single city in the south is a nice place to live. I’m saying the south has some nice places to live that are very cheap in terms of taxes. I don’t know of a nice suburb in a blue state which you could say the same thing about. Do you?

it appears to me, that if you took all the nice suburbs with a good quality of life for families which also have very low taxes, virtually all of them are in red states.

That’s what people want. the migration data makes that clear, doesn’t it?

If i were getting my money’s worth for the extra taxes i pay that would be different. i don’t get anything that i see, that i wouldn’t get in a nice NH suburb.

Health rankings:

Look at Conn, Mass, FL and the conservative utopia of Tenn.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/reports/2022-annual-report

Kaiser foundation has other interesting stats also. Tells a similar story.

I’m trying to say it better….if you moved to FL, your health and life expectancy would not decrease. Your just have a lot more money in your pocket. It’s not a function of state government, i less the states policies are encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle, which i doubt is the case in FL.

I have usually ignored the # of people moving to FL thing as I couldn't be bothered but since our company isn't coming over for another hour and I'm trying to hide and stay away from the kitchen.........

My comments are in red.

If people were moving to FL bc of Desantis or R. policies, since he bc Gov. would have seen the biggest uptick in net migration.

https://www.mysuncoast.com/2022/07/28/florida-still-growing-more-slowly-data-say/

But it is not.

By The Associated Press
Published: Jul. 28, 2022 at 9:28 AM EDT
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida grew slightly over a previous forecast in the first quarter of this year, but slowing population growth due to deaths outpacing births is still in the Sunshine State’s future over the next decade, according to estimates released last week.

The estimates released by the state Demographic Estimating Conference showed that Florida’s population growth appears to have peaked last year with a 1.6% growth rate.

Florida’s population in 2022 will stand at more than 22 million residents, trailing only California and Texas in size. The April 1 estimate was 3,795 residents higher than a forecast last December, reflecting an increase in migration.

While Florida will continue to grow over the next decade and beyond, with its population reaching just short of 25 million residents by 2032, it’s pace of growth will slow down to 0.8% in 10 years and 0.6% by 2039, according to the estimates.

The slowdown will be driven primarily by deaths outpacing births in the next decade and a half, but fewer people moving to Florida also will play a role, according to the estimates.

Net migration to Florida appears to have peaked at more than 404,000 people in 2020, and it’s expected to be only about two-thirds of that by 2032 — or more than 262,000 people.

Fl has had R gov. since like 2000. so if the population increase was bc of those policies, you would see an uptick in net migration. But you are not. Averages about 3M people per every 10 years (up to 2010)

https://www.bebr.ufl.edu/sites/default/files/Research%20Reports/fl_focus6_1_2010.pdf

Population Growth in Florida
Florida is the fourth most populous
state in the nation, trailing only
California, Texas, and New York. It is
also one of the most rapidly growing, as
its population has grown by roughly
three million each decade since 1970.
Percentage growth rates, however, have
been declining steadily, from 44% in the
1970s to 33% in the 1980s, 24% in the
1990s, and a projected 18% between
2000 and 2010 (see Table 1).

Table 1. Florida Population Growth, 1970-2010 Year Population Change
%
Change
1970 6,791,418 --- ---
1980 9,746,961 2,955,543 43.5%
1990 12,938,071 3,191,110 32.7%
2000 15,982,824 3,044,753 23.5%
2010* 18,773,356 2,790,532 17.5%

3M div. by 365 days by 10 years equals = 822 per day. Close to Jim's touted 850 but if you account for the increased US pop and more baby boomers retiring you might expect more?????

Florida has always had a history of population expansion (migration):

https://depts.washington.edu/moving1/Florida.shtml


Florida Migration History 1850-2018

by James Gregory
More than any other southern state, Florida has consistantly attracted newcomers. Today only about one third of the population claims a Florida birthplace; two thirds are from somewhere else, many from Cuba and Latin America but really from every state and most nations. Migration to Florida is an old story, In the late 1800s, Florida grew rapidly as whites from neighborhing states moved south looking for land to farm. The great citrus rush and land boom started in the early decades of the 20th century and accelerated in the 1920s, attracting northerners as well as southerners. Florida's population doubled between 1920 and 1940 and then doubled again by 1960, again by 1980, and once more by 2010. Snowbird migration made New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio leading contributors after 1960. Cubans and other people from the Caribbean had been part of the population throughout the decades, but the Cuban diaspora that began in the 1960s has made an enormous impact. Since 2000 Cubans rank second only to New Yorkers among those with out-of-state birthplaces.

So since most of their Governers were Ds until fairly recently and the pop. doubled a few times you can make the arguement that if hasn't doubled since 2010 maybe as many people aren't moving there bc of the R's policies?? or there other reasons 850 people a day are moving there besides politics? year round pickleball!!!!!

Paul, your post attempts to negate the effect of politics as a reason for the migration, by relying on estimates of what might happen in 2032? Sorry, that’s wild, wild speculation.

Paul no states population is increasing today, at the same rate that in increased between 1920 and 1940.

look at what’s happening right now. Today. Which states are seeing the most growth, which are seeing the most people
fleeing?

you mentioned warmth. why aren’t huge numbers of people
moving to southern CA?

Paul, your post attempts to negate the effect of politics as a reason for the migration, by relying on estimates of what might happen in 2032? Sorry, that’s wild, wild speculation.

Paul no states population is increasing today, at the same rate that in increased between 1920 and 1940.

look at what’s happening right now. Today. Which states are seeing the most growth, which are seeing the most people
fleeing?

you mentioned warmth. why aren’t huge numbers of people
moving to southern CA?

I didn't attempt to negate the effect of politics on migration to FL, I actually showed that migration hasn't changed over many years regardless of what party controls the governorship. Your statement that 850 people a day move to Florida because of Republican policies holds no water.
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I didn't attempt to negate the effect of politics on migration to FL, I actually showed that migration hasn't changed over many years regardless of what party controls the governorship. Your statement that 850 people a day move to Florida because of Republican policies holds no water.
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you need to look at the migration compared to what happening in other states,,at the same
time.

i don’t believe 850 people a day move there because of republican policies. i do believe it’s evidence that in general, peopprhino those policies are a good thing. If his policies were a disaster, i don’t think 850 peoppe a day would move there.

you said they sought warmth. i asked twice why people marking warmth don’t go to southern CA. i believe you dodged twice?

i didn’t know how that statistic worked.

for the third time, how do they know how many republicans and how many democrats died?

you cited the statistic. please
explain it, or else we know you made it up.

Asked and answered
How do you know people move to Floriduh because of DeSantis’ policies?
We all know that’s a figment of your imagination.
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Asked and answered
How do you know people move to Floriduh because of DeSantis’ policies?
We all know that’s a figment of your imagination.
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can you repeat the answer please? of the million people
who died, where are you getting data for how many are D and R?

I don’t know how many people
Are moving because of conservative policies, how many people are moving because FL values freedom.

I do know that if it simply about weather, they’d be moving to southern CA which had nicer weather. So it then begs the question, what is it about FL? How many things could it be?

You look at the states people are fleeing. You look at the states they are fleeing to.

What do you see as the commonality?

Excess deaths are typically defined as the difference between the observed numbers of deaths in specific time periods and expected numbers of deaths in the same time periods. This visualization provides weekly estimates of excess deaths by the jurisdiction in which the death occurred. Weekly counts of deaths are compared with historical trends to determine whether the number of deaths is significantly higher than expected.

You don’t know how statistics work?
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Here you go Jim, try a little harder and you’ll figure it out.
We’re all rooting for you
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Here you go Jim, try a little harder and you’ll figure it out.
We’re all rooting for you
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nowhere in there,,does it say how we’d know how many republicans died and how many democrats.

so you made that up. because you can’t deal with the truth.

Not a single independent/Unenrolled perished in the pandemic. Just “D”’s and “R”’s
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you need to look at the migration compared to what happening in other states,,at the same
time.


I don't need to look at anything else as your comment was specifically about FL and 850 a day. They only way you would be right is if you showed that the 850 per day who moved to FL in say 1990 all voted D and now all 850 per day all vote R.

You either have that info. and have been holding it back or your statement is wrong.

I don't need to look at anything else as your comment was specifically about FL and 850 a day. They only way you would be right is if you showed that the 850 per day who moved to FL in say 1990 all voted D and now all 850 per day all vote R.

You either have that info. and have been holding it back or your statement is wrong.
The thing #dupedjim doesn’t seem to grasp is that Florida has had the highest migration numbers of any state pretty much every year for the last century regardless of which party is in charge.

nowhere in there,,does it say how we’d know how many republicans died and how many democrats.

so you made that up. because you can’t deal with the truth.

You’re not very sharp, are you?

There are big secrets about Florida people don't get.

1. There is no state more lavishly corrupt. Crony capitalism writ large.

2. The Legislature is wholly-owned by the lobbying corps.

3. The beaches are degrading, the manatees are dying, the rivers and lakes are increasingly polluted, the marshes are shrinking, the birds are disappearing, the orange trees are almost gone, the open spaces are full, the highways are clogged, local services are overrun, the GOP has ruined education and thereby increased teacher shortages, but yea it’s great.
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The thing #dupedjim doesn’t seem to grasp is that Florida has had the highest migration numbers of any state pretty much every year for the last century regardless of which party is in charge.

watch the bar (try to) move again.

The thing #dupedjim doesn’t seem to grasp is that Florida has had the highest migration numbers of any state pretty much every year for the last century regardless of which party is in charge.

Stop, your just going to keep the Jim's favorite hit returning like a bad nightmare.

watch the bar (try to) move again.

i have t moved the bar once.

How many times did you dodge my simple
question about it being weather?

Not a single independent/Unenrolled perished in the pandemic. Just “D”’s and “R”’s
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actually, i think the dead are all Rs. The democrats were either too smart to get it, or else lived in blue states that saved them
by virtue of being liberal.

The thing #dupedjim doesn’t seem to grasp is that Florida has had the highest migration numbers of any state pretty much every year for the last century regardless of which party is in charge.

look stupid the states people are fleeing. look at the states people
are fleeing to. WhTs the commonality of each group?

it’s not hard.

Jim, is losing his mind.

Jim, is losing his mind.

Oh it’s been gone since the mid terms.

We really should feel sorry for him.


https://youtu.be/Zh0pWlwSnxI
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Jim, is losing his mind.

spence, i asked you a very straightforward question. this is your response

means i win.

spence, i asked you a very straightforward question. this is your response

means i win.

👎🏿
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About 89 percent of Florida’s retirement

Fla residents over 65
Born in state 2.8 %. Born out of State 18.2%.

Just more evidence Fla migrations
Has zero to do with Ron. Covid or no income tax

The trend has been this way for decades

Jim’s just stuck in his loop asking the same question a 100 times till he get the answer HE Wants. No matter the facts provided

This has been the GOP mantra since 2013 it’s was false then and false now

Americans are relocating to Florida in droves, House Speaker Will Weatherford told a group of liberty-loving activists at the Capitol.
Why? Freedom! It’s a quantity in short supply in those tax-loving states up north.

Fast forward 2022


Gov. Rons announced his Freedom First” annual budget. lol. His Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis has suggested northeasterners are escaping “tax hell” for the income-tax-free Sunshine State.

Wash rinse repeat

Yet Florida own newspapers disputes that propaganda

It’s hard data to get,” MacManus said. “My big question is, ‘Were (new Florida arrivals) typical northeasterners who just want better weather and bring Democratic voting patterns with them, or more affluent people who were upset with lockdowns and who may vote Republican?’”

“If anyone tells you they know definitively,” MacManus said, “they’re lying.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2022/02/24/fleeing-to-florida-new-arrivals-explain-why-they-moved-to-tampa-bay/?outputType=amp



Will Weatherford says 1,000 people a day move to Florida because of freedom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/01/13/top-retirement-states/
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look stupid the states people are fleeing. look at the states people
are fleeing to. WhTs the commonality of each group?

it’s not hard.
A lot of people moving to Florida are coming from Georgia, Ohio and Texas #I’llbelieveanythingonfoxnews

They must have loved Rick 'Snake' Scott Charlie Crist's policies as well....

A lot of people moving to Florida are coming from Georgia, Ohio and Texas #I’llbelieveanythingonfoxnews

which state sends the most residents to FL? it’s not any of the states on your list. Funny Spence, y uoleft off your list, the state that sends the most residents to FL.

It’s NY.

Make that wrong.

WHy don't they move in big numbers to CA?

They must have loved Rick 'Snake' Scott Charlie Crist's policies as well....

Bryan, which states took marching orders from teachers unions and kept kids out of school for as long as possible? And which states were the first ones to put kids in school, where they belong? Is that an important part of determining who handled covid well, and who didn’t?

while your side was saying Cuomo was the “gold standard” of
covid management and literally inventing new awards to toss at his feet, Desantis showed enormous balls, bucked the trend, responded correctly to the science ( which should matter to you more than the politics, but we all know it doesn’t) and actually looked out for his residents. Compare that to gavin newsom who imposed unnecessary lockdowns and kept kids out of school while
he was repeatedly caught violating the lockdowns he expected the unwashed masses to live by.

About 89 percent of Florida’s retirement

Fla residents over 65
Born in state 2.8 %. Born out of State 18.2%.

Just more evidence Fla migrations
Has zero to do with Ron. Covid or no income tax

The trend has been this way for decades

Jim’s just stuck in his loop asking the same question a 100 times till he get the answer HE Wants. No matter the facts provided

This has been the GOP mantra since 2013 it’s was false then and false now

Americans are relocating to Florida in droves, House Speaker Will Weatherford told a group of liberty-loving activists at the Capitol.
Why? Freedom! It’s a quantity in short supply in those tax-loving states up north.

Fast forward 2022


Gov. Rons announced his Freedom First” annual budget. lol. His Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis has suggested northeasterners are escaping “tax hell” for the income-tax-free Sunshine State.

Wash rinse repeat

Yet Florida own newspapers disputes that propaganda

It’s hard data to get,” MacManus said. “My big question is, ‘Were (new Florida arrivals) typical northeasterners who just want better weather and bring Democratic voting patterns with them, or more affluent people who were upset with lockdowns and who may vote Republican?’”

“If anyone tells you they know definitively,” MacManus said, “they’re lying.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2022/02/24/fleeing-to-florida-new-arrivals-explain-why-they-moved-to-tampa-bay/?outputType=amp



Will Weatherford says 1,000 people a day move to Florida because of freedom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/01/13/top-retirement-states/
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huh?

why don’t they retire to CA wayne? none of giu will
address that.

Which state sends the most residents to Connecticut?
NY
As someone with a wee wee, you of all people should realize that size matters.
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watch the bar (try to) move again.

told you


Maybe we should all discuss the latest Conserv. outrage - whether M&Ms are woke?

huh?

why don’t they retire to CA wayne? none of giu will
address that.

Read the article in the link it shows every states numbers
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Read the article in the link it shows every states numbers
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I didn't ask how any retire to each state. I asked about the reason for the numbers.

Do you know the difference between a question that starts with "how many", and a question that starts with "why"?

The answer, which you will do anything to avoid, is cost. CA is insanely expensive, FL is cheaper (not as cheap as it used to be as real estate prices skyrocket).

One reason what FL is cheaper, is taxes. Taxes are a political thing. Wall Street doesn't determine what state and local taxes are, DC doesn't determine it. Local politicians do.

437,275 did move to California, the third-largest inflow for 2020. Florida was No. 1 at 647,910, then came Texas at 518,727.
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437,275 did move to California, the third-largest inflow for 2020. Florida was No. 1 at 647,910, then came Texas at 518,727.
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In jims world people only move for GOP Policies and no sales tax

in the actual world we live in People Move 99.9% of the time is for JOBS

According to data in the 2021 United Van Lines annual national movers study, the most common reason, by far, for moving during the years leading up to last was work-related.

but Jim gets sucked in with conservative Catch phrases now moving is Fleeing only if its from a blue state to a Red state

But from red to blue states is still called just moving go figure

I wish I could flee this #^&#^&#^&#^&ty weather pattern and move to Florida, but for warm and fishing.

In jims world people only move for GOP Policies and no sales tax

in the actual world we live in People Move 99.9% of the time is for JOBS

According to data in the 2021 United Van Lines annual national movers study, the most common reason, by far, for moving during the years leading up to last was work-related.

but Jim gets sucked in with conservative Catch phrases now moving is Fleeing only if its from a blue state to a Red state

But from red to blue states is still called just moving go figure

i keep saying there are many reasons. Maybe you and Pete have the same form of schizophrenia.

the state that leads the nation in resident moves from out of state, is probably doing something right to attract all those people. Disagree if you want, but it makes you look stupid.

turns out, FL state law actually requires that black history ( actual black history) be taught. This proposed AP course included black queer theory, and abolishing prisons, and reparations, on the syllabus. that’s not education, that’s someone with an agenda.

Let’s not let facts get in the way of smearing the governor as a racist!

RINO? Republican Governor Chris Sununu BLASTS Ron DeSantis for his war against Disney and other institutions: "You don’t penalize private businesses because they disagree with you politically. It’s still a private business...that just crosses a line.”
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Florida’s Republican governor and presidential aspirant Ron DeSantis has made a name for himself by harassing Black voters, setting up a system to sue teachers for teaching race in ways that might offend Whites, singling out LGBTQ youth (while gagging teachers) and engaging in extreme gerrymandering to reduce the voting power of minorities.
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turns out, FL state law actually requires that black history ( actual black history) be taught. This proposed AP course included black queer theory, and abolishing prisons, and reparations, on the syllabus. that’s not education, that’s someone with an agenda.

Let’s not let facts get in the way of smearing the governor as a racist!

Really, someone is lying again because he knows his followers are blind

Here’s the syllabus

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23584340-ap-afam-syllabus-watermark
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We’ll M&M are now woke Tucker said so..

I thought it was a joke but it wasn’t
Conservatives see woke because the green MM lost her go go boots and isn’t sexy anymore
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We’ll M&M are now woke Tucker said so..

I thought it was a joke but it wasn’t
Conservatives see woke because the green MM lost her go go boots and isn’t sexy anymore
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that’s silly and stupid of tucker, agreed.

RINO? Republican Governor Chris Sununu BLASTS Ron DeSantis for his war against Disney and other institutions: "You don’t penalize private businesses because they disagree with you politically. It’s still a private business...that just crosses a line.”
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i don’t think disney should
operate as its own entity, but Desantis shouldn’t have taken that away just because they smeared him. Sununu is correct in this case.

Disney, like you guys, called the bill “don’t say gay”, when the bill didn’t single out homosexuality. the bill
said no discussion of any sexuality in grades K-3. Kind of. leap to call it the “don’t say gay” bill.

But retribution is wrong, and that’s obviously what Desantis did. A big mis-step that is perfectly legit to attack him with.

Really, someone is lying again because he knows his followers are blind

Here’s the syllabus

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23584340-ap-afam-syllabus-watermark
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page 23 of the syllabus you posted, mentions queer study.

page 25 of the syllabus you posted, mentions reparations

your post supported the claims in my post, 100%.

you’re a pathological liar, not to be taken even a little but seriously. You had absolutely no idea what was even in the document you posted. Somehow you determined that it contradicted my claims, when it perfectly supported my claims. You don’t even know what you’re arguing.

page 23 of the syllabus you posted, mentions queer study.

page 25 of the syllabus you posted, mentions reparations

your post supported the claims in my post, 100%.

you’re a pathological liar, not to be taken even a little but seriously. You had absolutely no idea what was even in the document you posted. Somehow you determined that it contradicted my claims, when it perfectly supported my claims. You don’t even know what you’re arguing.

Bitch. Slapped.

Poor victim

Oh! The Irony! By banning anti-racism education, DeSantis is proving critical race theory.

Some things are not allowed to be discussed because the mere mention scares you.

Blacks are imprisoned at 5x the rate of whites and it shouldn’t be discussed.

Everything must be framed in the context of a base-riling crisis, no matter how lurid or absurd: think CRT, antifa, caravans, drag queen story hour.

You don’t argue, you recite rhetoric
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i don’t think disney should
operate as its own entity, but Desantis shouldn’t have taken that away just because they smeared him. Sununu is correct in this case.

Disney, like you guys, called the bill “don’t say gay”, when the bill didn’t single out homosexuality. the bill
said no discussion of any sexuality in grades K-3. Kind of. leap to call it the “don’t say gay” bill.

But retribution is wrong, and that’s obviously what Desantis did. A big mis-step that is perfectly legit to attack him with.

Florida teachers are being told to remove all books from their classroom libraries OR FACE FELONY PROSECUTION

The new policy is based on the premise that teachers are using books to "groom" students or indoctrinate them with leftist ideologies.

Officials from the Manatee County School District confirmed the new policy to popular.info.

The policy was communicated to principals in a meeting last Wednesday.

Teachers are in the process of being informed now.

The new policy in Manatee, which is likely to be duplicated across Florida, was issued in response to HB 1467, which was signed into law by DeSantis last March.

That law established that teachers could not be trusted to select books appropriate for their students.

Instead, all books in libraries or used in classroom instruction must be selected by a "media specialist" (aka, a librarian).

This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal.

The Manatee County School District is mandating that teachers make their classroom libraries inaccessible until they can establish that each book is approved by a librarian

Some teachers packed up their classroom libraries. Others covered up the books with construction paper

Restoring student access to classroom libraries is a complex process. First, someone must cross-check each book in their classroom library with the district library catalog

Any book not currently held in the district libraries must be evaluated and approved by a librarian

And that's just the beginning. Materials prepared for an upcoming Manatee County School Board meeting include a 21-point list of procedures to ensure that classroom libraries comply with the new rules.

As a result, one Manatee teacher reported being forced to take Sneezy the Snowman and Dragons Love Tacos off the shelves pending review. Other teachers, fearing criminal liability, are telling students not to bring in "unvetted" books from home.

Librarians in Manatee County are now expected to review thousands of books in classroom libraries to ensure compliance with the new law. Any mistake could result in criminal charges. Manatee has 64 public schools and 3,000 teachers, many of whom maintain classroom libraries.

The librarian's review of classroom books must also be consistent with a complex training, which was heavily influenced by right-wing groups like Moms For Liberty and approved by the Florida Department of Education just last week.
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I guess Jim doesn’t own a TV or if so hasn’t really been watching, the commercials and the programming are all evidence our society has changed and accepted the portrayal of same sex, transgender and even the dreaded drag life styles. I won’t argue Jim’s position on preferring a normal from thirty or forty years ago, because I too feel we have become a disconnected society in many ways. But since it is now the normal and our kids are exposed in everyday life and may (debate that point) benefit from a educator handling questions that parents may not be willing or able to answer.

I guess Jim doesn’t own a TV or if so hasn’t really been watching, the commercials and the programming are all evidence our society has changed and accepted the portrayal of same sex, transgender and even the dreaded drag life styles. I won’t argue Jim’s position on preferring a normal from thirty or forty years ago, because I too feel we have become a disconnected society in many ways. But since it is now the normal and our kids are exposed in everyday life and may (debate that point) benefit from a educator handling questions that parents may not be willing or able to answer.

Hey Einstein, I was in favor of gay marriage before the state of CA voted it down, I was for it when Hilary and Obama were still opposed to it.

The fact is, the FL bill that the entire left referred to as "don't say gay", didn't do anything to single out homosexuality. It said that no sexuality of any kind (not homosexuality, not heterosexuality) was allowed in grades K-3. Is that really a hate-mongering bill? Do you feel the need to expose 5 year-olds to sexuality in public school? Maybe that says something about you, and about the people who opposed a bill that said "no sex to 5 year-olds".

While I'm in favor of gay marriage, I'd like to be left out of it, I don't need homosexuality shoved in my face every time I turn around. There's a good reason why bedrooms have doors. It's supposed to be private.

And the notion that young teenagers of both sexes should share locker rooms and bathrooms is so stupid, it's hard to believe anyone is OK with it.

Let 5 year-olds be kids. They aren't mature enough to process anything sexual. And with all the school they missed (FL missed less than most states), let's give them more reading and writing.

You want to teach 5 year old about sex, do it with your family, on your own time.

This is what the citizens of FL want. This is why he was re elected in a rout. If the law is unconstitutional, it will be challenged. Otherwise, elections have consequences.

Poor victim

Oh! The Irony! By banning anti-racism education, DeSantis is proving critical race theory.

Some things are not allowed to be discussed because the mere mention scares you.

Blacks are imprisoned at 5x the rate of whites and it shouldn’t be discussed.

Everything must be framed in the context of a base-riling crisis, no matter how lurid or absurd: think CRT, antifa, caravans, drag queen story hour.

You don’t argue, you recite rhetoric
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I absolutely humiliated you, and you think I see myself as the victim. How the world must look to you, it staggers the imagination...

I absolutely humiliated you, and you think I see myself as the victim. How the world must look to you, it staggers the imagination...

Only in your small mind

Why does the entire Republican agenda involve stopping, limiting, or taking away something? Don't bare arms. Don't teach history. Don't take the Morning After pill. Limit who can vote. Don't have an abortion. Don't read these books. Don't say gay. Tell me again how it is the Freedom Party?
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Only in your small mind

Why does the entire Republican agenda involve stopping, limiting, or taking away something? Don't bare arms. Don't teach history. Don't take the Morning After pill. Limit who can vote. Don't have an abortion. Don't read these books. Don't say gay. Tell me again how it is the Freedom Party?
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you posted the syllabus to show i was wrong about it containing queer theory and reparations. But the syllabus you posted, specifically mentions queer theory and reparations

“don’t teach history.”

yup. that’s what the GOP advocates for. you figured us out Pete.

“don’t read these books.”

no one is saying that. But not all books belong in a public school.

Liar.

Liberals never say “no” to anyone. right,,right. No one has ever been cancelled or censored by the left,,never. No mention of god in school, no displaying police flags, no saying “all lives matter”, no wearing mags baseball caps, blah, blah, blah…

you posted the syllabus to show i was wrong about it containing queer theory and reparations. But the syllabus you posted, specifically mentions queer theory and reparations

“don’t teach history.”

yup. that’s what the GOP advocates for. you figured us out Pete.


…

Poor victim

Black scholars have spent decades curating Black American history so that it can be accurately taught to students. By negating their scholarship, DeSantis, a White guy, is telling Black ppl what part of their history matters.
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Liberals never say “no” to anyone. right,,right. No one has ever been cancelled or censored by the left,,never. No mention of god in school, no displaying police flags, no saying “all lives matter”, no wearing mags baseball caps, blah, blah, blah…

I missed official government announcements regarding those.
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Poor victim

Black scholars have spent decades curating Black American history so that it can be accurately taught to students. By negating their scholarship, DeSantis, a White guy, is telling Black ppl what part of their history matters.
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you’ve said here that it was liberals/democrats who fought against slavery and segregation. so who taught you history?

Poor victim

Black scholars have spent decades curating Black American history so that it can be accurately taught to students. By negating their scholarship, DeSantis, a White guy, is telling Black ppl what part of their history matters.
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Black scholars are poor victims. They should have the Black privilege of writing their own history. They are not racists. White scholars are racists.

Only in your small mind

Why does the entire Republican agenda involve stopping, limiting, or taking away something? Don't bare arms. Don't teach history. Don't take the Morning After pill. Limit who can vote. Don't have an abortion. Don't read these books. Don't say gay. Tell me again how it is the Freedom Party?
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Of course, propaganda is full of misrepresentation, as is your propaganda. That is not the "entire" Republican agenda. Nor is most of what you said true. Republicans believe that American citizens have the right to own, carry, and use guns. They are for teaching history. They don't limit who can vote beyond any constitutional limit. They are mixed on when, or if, abortion should be legal. They don't demand that "these" books should not be read. They don't demand that you cannot say "gay" (the Dems do ban certain words that are "racist" or provocative, they even change the meaning of words, like "racist" to suit there agenda).
So, yeah, the Repubs are pretty much for freedom. Even for the freedom of people and communities to decide, within the parameters of the Constitution, on those don'ts that you mention.

Not surprised to see DeFascists greatest fan and Discount Goebbels teaming up.
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MSNBC says Desantis is an authoritarian because he doesn’t think students should be on their phones during class. Better if they’re watching Tik Tok videos i guess.

imagine being that blinded by your lefty ideology that you say it’s authoritarian to want kids to most attention during classroom instruction.

As usual DeFascists greatest fan heard part of something on right wing media and thinks he’s found the
Here’s the rest
“It is not the phones, people. It is the arrogance of a man who wants to control everyone and everything: businesses, students, other politicians. He wants to dictate what you learn and read, how you train your employees, and much more.”

The author, Ruth Ben-Ghiat literally wrote the book on Strongmen. I recommend people read her columns and books, especially on Fascism. The book is Strongmen from Mussolini to the Present.
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As usual DeFascists greatest fan heard part of something on right wing media and thinks he’s found the
Here’s the rest
“It is not the phones, people. It is the arrogance of a man who wants to control everyone and everything: businesses, students, other politicians. He wants to dictate what you learn and read, how you train your employees, and much more.”

The author, Ruth Ben-Ghiat literally wrote the book on Strongmen. I recommend people read her columns and books, especially on Fascism. The book is Strongmen from Mussolini to the Present.
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so when he says no phones in class, we should
ignore what he a actually said, and pretend as if he said something else, something way more sinister, something arrogant and authoritarian.

This explains your approach here, where you routinely ignore what was actually said, and respond to something no one ever came close to saying.

Those voices you hear….

yes, republicans ( the ones who want to give peoppe
infinitely more liberty in general) want to control everything.

With you, it’s not about what he actually says and does. It’s about your characterization of him, regardless of how inaccurate. so when he says “no phones during math class”, what you hear is “i’m going to kill everybody”. There’s a term for that condition in medial literature. It’s called schizophrenia. You display it constantly.

Parents will not object to kids not having access to phones during classroom instruction time. every school in the country should already have that rule.

Yes, liberals don’t want to exert any control over what people learn, which is why 50% of faculty are republicans, why there’s zero liberal indoctrination ever in the classroom, and why there’s never been a single case of a riot on a college campus to prevent a conservative from speaking. never. Because liberals believe in free speech and diversity of ideas. It’s a true conviction they have.

Desantis says no phone use during classroom lecture. Liberals suspended a 14 year old female high school freshman in VT, when she said she didn't like sharing the girls locker room with boys. Let each side make that case to America and see what people agree with, and what makes their skin crawl.

MSNBC says Desantis is an authoritarian because he doesn’t think students should be on their phones during class. Better if they’re watching Tik Tok videos i guess.

imagine being that blinded by your lefty ideology that you say it’s authoritarian to want kids to most attention during classroom instruction.

"I think to myself, ‘Why are these kids on their phones during class all the time?’

Now parents rights fly out the windows.. funny how that works.

Only Fox News and their brain washed audience think the phone comment is why MSNBC ( fox’s twin) called. Ron. authoritarian
Shocked
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"I think to myself, ‘Why are these kids on their phones during class all the time?’

Now parents rights fly out the windows.. funny how that works.
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So parents have a right, to allow their kids to watch Tik Tok videos during class.

As I said, let's present this honestly to parents, and see if they like it or not. Before cell phones, parents had an easy way to get ahold of kids at school if they needed to. If its an emergency, call the school, they contact the kid in 2 seconds. That worked for decades and decades. Now all of a sudden it's not a practical option? Why is that?

If Obama proposed this, you'd all be getting a tingle in your leg. That's all this is. Desantis is a serious challenge in 2024 or 2028, and you hate him for that, to the point of being deranged.

I'm a parent, a tax payer, and I bought phones for my kids. Why would I want my kids on their phones during class, when they're supposed to be learning? Why is that in my interests?

Wayne, you similarly opposed his idea of using tax dollars to lure more police to his state, but you like the idea of using tax dollars to help your family pay off loans that you agreed to take out and you agreed to repay. Explain that logic. If it's not pure partisan derangement, please explain how else you could arrive at those conclusions. I'm genuinely curious.

So parents have a right, to allow their kids to watch Tik Tok videos during class.

As I said, let's present this honestly to parents, and see if they like it or not. Before cell phones, parents had an easy way to get ahold of kids at school if they needed to. If its an emergency, call the school, they contact the kid in 2 seconds. That worked for decades and decades. Now all of a sudden it's not a practical option? Why is that?

If Obama proposed this, you'd all be getting a tingle in your leg. That's all this is. Desantis is a serious challenge in 2024 or 2028, and you hate him for that, to the point of being deranged.

I'm a parent, a tax payer, and I bought phones for my kids. Why would I want my kids on their phones during class, when they're supposed to be learning? Why is that in my interests?

Wayne, you similarly opposed his idea of using tax dollars to lure more police to his state, but you like the idea of using tax dollars to help your family pay off loans that you agreed to take out and you agreed to repay. Explain that logic. If it's not pure partisan derangement, please explain how else you could arrive at those conclusions. I'm genuinely curious.


Jim stop moving the goalposts to use your line stop embarrassing yourself ... you can't yell Parents rights then claim they dont have them when it comes to phones in the classrooms ..

I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it ..

its Rons track record. and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach
who can say something and who can't . what moral and what isn't who can vote who can't.. maybe you should look at the totality of his actions

And of course the tic toc reference those damn chinese 1st the virus now this more GOP fear mongering.. however it or any social media app shouldn't be on any state or federally issues electronic devices.. that just common sense

if you are only see Rons strokes 1 at a time . your missing the picture his painting and its title is authoritarian

J

I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it ..

its Rons track record. and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach
who can say something and who can't . what moral and what isn't who can vote who can't.. maybe you should look at the totality of his actions

And of course the tic toc reference those damn chinese 1st the virus now this more GOP fear mongering.. however it or any social media app shouldn't be on any state or federally issues electronic devices.. that just common sense

if you are only see Rons strokes 1 at a time . your missing the picture his painting and its title is authoritarian

"I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it .."

If you are sane, yes that's the issue.

If your goal is to paint him as an authoritarian Nazi, then you need to make it about a bigger issue.

Wayne, Republicans have many flaws, they have as many flaws as anyone else. Obviously they aren't more authoritarian than liberals. Liberals want a bigger government with more control, than conservatives want. That doesn't mean that conservatives are correct, we can reasonably disagree on whether or not more government is good or bad. But to suggest that he's a dictator, is beyond absurd.

Jim stop moving the goalposts to use your line stop embarrassing yourself ... you can't yell Parents rights then claim they dont have them when it comes to phones in the classrooms ..

I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it ..

its Rons track record. and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach
who can say something and who can't . what moral and what isn't who can vote who can't.. maybe you should look at the totality of his actions

And of course the tic toc reference those damn chinese 1st the virus now this more GOP fear mongering.. however it or any social media app shouldn't be on any state or federally issues electronic devices.. that just common sense

if you are only see Rons strokes 1 at a time . your missing the picture his painting and its title is authoritarian

"and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach"

Why wouldn't you conclude that's what his constituents want? Have you listened to parents who show up at school board meetings? Is Desantis ramming his personal agenda upon the state? Or is he doing what his citizens want? The latter, is called "democracy".

"of what to teach what not to teach"

Liberals do that all the time, and you never complain.

"who can say something and who can't"

See my previous response. Talk to the HS football coach who got fired for leading voluntary prayer. That's not authoritarian?

"maybe you should look at the totality of his actions "

His citizens recently did that, it's called an "election". He won in a crushing landslide. What does that tell you? You don't have to like his agenda. The fact is, a huge majority of those who live in his state, like his agenda. That is irrefutable fact.

How about the part of his agenda where he refused to follow the herd and lock his state down, but opened up when the data showed he should? Do you give him any credit for that brave leadership? His citizens love him for it. And they should.

"and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach"

Why wouldn't you conclude that's what his constituents want? Have you listened to parents who show up at school board meetings? Is Desantis ramming his personal agenda upon the state? Or is he doing what his citizens want? The latter, is called "democracy".

"of what to teach what not to teach"

Liberals do that all the time, and you never complain.

"who can say something and who can't"

See my previous response. Talk to the HS football coach who got fired for leading voluntary prayer. Don't belong on the field at a public school that's Constitution you may have heard about separation of church and state That's not authoritarian? nope its called the law

"maybe you should look at the totality of his actions "

His citizens recently did that, it's called an "election". He won in a crushing landslide. What does that tell you? You don't have to like his agenda. The fact is, a huge majority of those who live in his state, like his agenda. That is irrefutable fact.

How about the part of his agenda where he refused to follow the herd and lock his state down, but opened up when the data showed he should? Do you give him any credit for that brave leadership? His citizens love him for it. And they should.



Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys

Why wouldn't you conclude that's what his constituents want?

Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries

and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL the below ad should give you a chubby


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OgScazYri0

Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys

Why wouldn't you conclude that's what his constituents want?

Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries

and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL the below ad should give you a chubby


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OgScazYri0

"Don't belong on the field at a public school that's Constitution"

You show me where in the constitution it says you can't choose to pray on a field at a public school. The coach was reinstated by the courts, as the firing is what is obviously prohibited by the Constitution. Wayne, the constitution doesn't say religion cannot intersect with public life. It says that the state shall pass no law which interferes with the free exercise of religion. That's nowhere near the same as saying "no religion in public".

"Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys "

You love them, when they're liberal. That's clear. He's only considered an authoritarian by people he's clobbering. Just because he's pulverizing democrats again and again, doesn't make him Hitler.

"Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries"

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the general election. He won in a complete rout. How can you deny that a big majority of his residents like what he's doing?

"and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL"

Tell us what you call it. He bucked the trend, and he was shown to be absolutely right. We all know the lockdowns were largely unnecessary, and that keeping kids out of school was a complete disaster. How many governors resisted? It's a short list, and he's on it.

I don't think he's perfect. The timing of punishing Disney was obvious political retribution, and therefore stupid and that was authoritarian. I can criticize him for his blunders.

But unlike you, I can admit when he smashes it 800 feet out of the park.

You called his bill "don't say gay". There's absolutely nothing in there that singles out homosexuality. You were duped by the media on your side who took you for a sucker, and it worked.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this

The citizens of FL made a crystal clear choice in the last election. Pete, no one expects you to like it. You could put down the insanity long enough to admit it.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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"Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level."

Keeping pornography and DNC material out of the schools, seems like a good idea then. Let them focus on the basics.

From the attached article...

Manatee County Schools Chief of Staff Kevin Chapman told 10 Tampa Bay teachers were not directly told to shut down their classroom libraries. Many are opting to, anyway

three criteria every book must now meet:

Free of pornography and material prohibited under S. 847.012, F.S.
Suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented.
Appropriate for the grade level and age group for which the materials are used and made available.

"Chapman said he suspects most books on teachers' shelves already appear on the approved list."

Doesn't exactly sound like a good old fashioned book burning.



https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/florida-book-law-classroom-library/67-c0d23e1c-57e4-41c9-a32a-5203ed0feb56.

As I said
Failure to lock up all their books until they could be "vetted" by censors, teachers were warned, put them at risk of being prosecuted as felons.
I’m sure you would take the risk…

The facts of this situation are straightforward: A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian. This may sound reasonable on its surface, but as the situation in Manatee County shows, in reality, it's about creating a bottleneck preventing books from getting into the hands of students. Even more importantly, it's about establishing the idea that books are inherently dangerous objects, to the degree that no student can be allowed to handle one without heavy-handed surveillance.

Moreover, even if the librarians in Florida are not themselves interested in being the reading police, they may feel they have no choice. DeSantis has made it quite clear what kinds of ideas he believes should be banned in the state of Florida. He doesn't want schools to acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist. He's banned the teaching of Black history classes on the grounds that lessons on people like Frederick Douglass or Rosa Parks, for instance, "have no educational value." He has been forcing schools to teach a lie, that racism is not the cause of racial inequality. With that level of pressure, it is no surprise that schools would simply err on the side of having few, if any, books available. If books return to the shelves, they may likely be heavily limited to those that portray the world like it's a 1950s sitcom, which pretty much guarantees they'll go unread, as such themes hold little interest to kids in 21st-century America.

When it comes to keeping kids from reading much, if at all, DeSantis' policy is a smashing success. He's established the idea that no student should ever be allowed to just grab a book and read on their own. He's stigmatized basic curiosity. Big Brother must always be watching, a reference kids probably won't get if "1984" is no longer a book readers can just pick up.
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A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian.
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Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.
Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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"Don't belong on the field at a public school that's Constitution"

You show me where in the constitution it says you can't choose to pray on a field at a public school. The coach was reinstated by the courts, as the firing is what is obviously prohibited by the Constitution. Wayne, the constitution doesn't say religion cannot intersect with public life. It says that the state shall pass no law which interferes with the free exercise of religion. That's nowhere near the same as saying "no religion in public".

"Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys "

You love them, when they're liberal. That's clear. He's only considered an authoritarian by people he's clobbering. Just because he's pulverizing democrats again and again, doesn't make him Hitler.

"Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries"

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the general election. He won in a complete rout. How can you deny that a big majority of his residents like what he's doing?

"and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL"

Tell us what you call it. He bucked the trend, and he was shown to be absolutely right. We all know the lockdowns were largely unnecessary, and that keeping kids out of school was a complete disaster. How many governors resisted? It's a short list, and he's on it.

I don't think he's perfect. The timing of punishing Disney was obvious political retribution, and therefore stupid and that was authoritarian. I can criticize him for his blunders.

But unlike you, I can admit when he smashes it 800 feet out of the park.

You called his bill "don't say gay". There's absolutely nothing in there that singles out homosexuality. You were duped by the media on your side who took you for a sucker, and it worked.

Guess you missed In Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the Supreme Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer in public schools violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

But our SJC didn’t seem to care his prayers were not the issue it was the location.
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if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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Well, let's see...

I have taught in a public school, you haven't.

I've shown the honesty of praising and criticizing both sides, you haven't.

So who should we believe?

Guess you missed In Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the Supreme Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer in public schools violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

But our SJC didn’t seem to care his prayers were not the issue it was the location.
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Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence!

Unlike you, I will explain WHY your equivalence is false. In the case of the football coach, the school was not sponsoring the prayer, the school was not requiring or suggesting or encouraging students to participate in the prayer.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join. Are you pro-choice? Geez, not when it comes to school choice, apparently not when it comes to faithful people practicing their religion unless it's behind closed doors?

None of the school's business.

But the tolerant left, always so tolerant of others...

No American can be compelled to abandon his faith when he shows up for work. The employer (school in this case) can not pressure anyone else to participate. But if people freely choose to engage in religion in public, they have every right to do do.

Why do liberals CARE so much? If they didn't like it, they didn't have to participate in it. But that's not enough for the left, they have to eradicate from view, that which they hate.

Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence!

Unlike you, I will explain WHY your equivalence is false. In the case of the football coach, the school was not sponsoring the prayer, the school was not requiring or suggesting or encouraging students to participate in the prayer.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join. Are you pro-choice? Geez, not when it comes to school choice, apparently not when it comes to faithful people practicing their religion unless it's behind closed doors?

None of the school's business.

But the tolerant left, always so tolerant of others...

No American can be compelled to abandon his faith when he shows up for work. The employer (school in this case) can not pressure anyone else to participate. But if people freely choose to engage in religion in public, they have every right to do do.

Why do liberals CARE so much? If they didn't like it, they didn't have to participate in it. But that's not enough for the left, they have to eradicate from view, that which they hate.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join.

Why do liberals CARE so much? we don't care who he prays to it just shouldn't be High School grounds... lets have drag queen halftime shows and see how tolerant the christian justices would be to that :kewl:

your blinded by your rabid religious beliefs .. if you thinks thats what happened..

When I was in Highschool My coach had team church days .. he never tried to pray on the High school field but you religious zealots just cant leave it at church

FYI it's the only time I went to church .. he did just what this guy did Noticed who attended and who did not and as a highschool kid you worried about playing and that was in 1984 :kewl:

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join.

Why do liberals CARE so much? we don't care who he prays to it just shouldn't be High School grounds... lets have drag queen halftime shows and see how tolerant the christian justices would be to that :kewl:

your blinded by your rabid religious beliefs .. if you thinks thats what happened..

When I was in Highschool My coach had team church days .. he never tried to pray on the High school field but you religious zealots just cant leave it at church

FYI it's the only time I went to church .. he did just what this guy did Noticed who attended and who did not and as a highschool kid you worried about playing and that was in 1984 :kewl:

you have no right to say it can’t be in school
grounds. read the first amendment where it bars the state from interfering with the free exercise of religion. it doesn’t say “unless it’s on school grounds.”

i’m blinded by the constitution. this guy wasn’t catholic i don’t think.

you have no right to never see that which you don’t like. the constitution is what it says it is.

from what you said, what your school
did was nothing close to what this guy did. It was t a school
sponsored thing. he prayed on his own, some
kids chose to participate, some chose not to, and that was fine. But not good enough for the haters.

the bill of rights doesn’t say those freedoms are surrendered at school. sorry.

Only you Jim would call settled law.

Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence! :faga:

you have no right to say it can’t be in school
grounds. read the first amendment where it bars the state from interfering with the free exercise of religion. it doesn’t say “unless it’s on school grounds.”

i’m blinded by the constitution. this guy wasn’t catholic i don’t think.

you have no right to never see that which you don’t like. the constitution is what it says it is.

from what you said, what your school
did was nothing close to what this guy did. It was t a school
sponsored thing. he prayed on his own, some
kids chose to participate, some chose not to, and that was fine. But not good enough for the haters.

the bill of rights doesn’t say those freedoms are surrendered at school. sorry.

Yep a school employee getting paid by the school praying on school grounds. In your twisted logic he’s just excising his 1st amendment rights ya ok ..

Most haters I see go to church and tend to be conservative claiming their religion is under attack , and using that religion as an excuse to discriminate against others funny how that works

Yep a school employee getting paid by the school praying on school grounds. In your twisted logic he’s just excising his 1st amendment rights ya ok ..

Most haters I see go to church and tend to be conservative claiming their religion is under attack , and using that religion as an excuse to discriminate against others funny how that works

it’s very well established that employees are never required to turn off their faith at work.

who am i discriminating against exactly?

You know your pathetic when

High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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You know your pathetic when

High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

yes wayne, because we all know that high schoolers always have the proper, mature point of view of things. The goal of a governor should be to be very popular among high schoolers. that’s the barometer to judge a governor by. Who cares about unemployment and schools
being open. Popularity among 16 year olds is the only thing that matters.

if the law is unconstitutional,, that’ll come out.

High schoolers!!! that’s a good one.

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

Poor victim, needs the State to tell him what is ok to read.
You’re talking about the same state that’s allowing uncertified people to teach because they’ve driven people out of the profession?
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pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

That’s what Germans and Italians said
“It’s just a gold star”
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DeSantis violated First Amendment by removing elected official, judge rules

The latest: U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle wrote in his ruling that evidence showed DeSantis punished Warren for his political leanings and that doing so violated Warren's free speech rights.

Keep thinking Ron’s who you think he is.. he’s not looking out for the country or the citizens of Florida .. just himself . He saw if Trump could get elected based on lies bluster and blaming others and the GOP hordes would cheer from the stands .. he’s saying why not me .. I can huff I can puff I’ll blow the whole White House down with all the transgender kids and drag queens and woke just like my followers want

wayne, you left out that the judge didn’t reinstate the fired official ( a DA who said he wasn’t going to enforce duly constituted state law ) and the judge said very specifically, that the guy would have been removed even if there was no first amendment violation.

imagine, the arrogance of a governor who expects the DA to enforce the law?

how come you left out the very important part?

he’s not looking out for his state, which is why the state is in tatters and everyone is moving to CT.

Sure Jan

The judge cited the 11th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in concluding that he could not grant Warren’s request for reinstatement.

The amendment prohibits federal officials from forcing state actors to follow state laws.

But the judge did suggest one remedy:

“If the facts matter, the governor can simply rescind the suspension,” Hinkle wrote. “If he does not do so, it will be doubly clear that the alleged non-prosecution policies were not the real motivation for the suspension.”
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pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

He was elected
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He was elected
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to do what? to enforce the laws impartially? or to implement his personal political agenda?

the constitution of the state of FL gives the governor the authority to suspend this elected DA.

if he wanted to enact liberal laws he should have run for the state legislature. the DA has a different role.

to do what? to enforce the laws impartially? or to implement his personal political agenda?

the constitution of the state of FL gives the governor the authority to suspend this elected DA.

if he wanted to enact liberal laws he should have run for the state legislature. the DA has a different role.

Let no one be confused: DeSantis is not a break with the MAGA anti-democratic movement. He is only a less buffoonish version of the defeated former president. And that makes him all the more dangerous.

But Jim’s been fooled once already
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wayne, you left out that the judge didn’t reinstate the fired official ( a DA who said he wasn’t going to enforce duly constituted state law ) and the judge said very specifically, that the guy would have been removed even if there was no first amendment violation.

imagine, the arrogance of a governor who expects the DA to enforce the law?

how come you left out the very important part?

he’s not looking out for his state, which is why the state is in tatters and everyone is moving to CT.

The judge could not reinstate him under the law . Like you football guy

And the judge actually said Ron would have just made another excuse to fire the guy

the DA never not enforced the law

It’s the DA responsibility to use his Judgement in all cases

No you support Ron yelling off with their heads. And if people won’t he’ll remove them.

Sorry that’s call an absence of leadership.. a concept you seem to have trouble understanding
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The judge could not reinstate him under the law . Like you football guy

And the judge actually said Ron would have just made another excuse to fire the guy

the DA never not enforced the law

It’s the DA responsibility to use his Judgement in all cases

No you support Ron yelling off with their heads. And if people won’t he’ll remove them.

Sorry that’s call an absence of leadership.. a concept you seem to have trouble understanding
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the DA announced that he wasn’t going to
enforce a new law which was duly constituted. of course they get paid to use judgment. but insisting that you’re not going to ever enforce a law you don’t happen to like, goes way beyond that.

“off with their heads”? more like, do the job you were hired to do, or find another job.

there are kits of productive careers for people
who want to be political advocates. Being a prosecutor isn’t one of them.

removing subordinates who refuse to do the job, isn’t what is call an absence of leadership. You can call it whatever you’d like.

And of course Jim this was just another Ron campaign aid. Disguised as leadership

In a Tampa news conference, which his press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,” DeSantis noted there is no state law banning gender-affirming treatments but included that in the executive order suspending Warren because one day the Legislature could ban them.

“The Legislature of Florida may want to come in and do something on that, you are going to say presumptively you can’t do it?” DeSantis said during the event.

His press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,”

Yep keep thinking anything he does is for his constituents. It’s done all for Himself . This is just 1 of many examples
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And of course Jim this was just another Ron campaign aid. Disguised as leadership

In a Tampa news conference, which his press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,” DeSantis noted there is no state law banning gender-affirming treatments but included that in the executive order suspending Warren because one day the Legislature could ban them.

“The Legislature of Florida may want to come in and do something on that, you are going to say presumptively you can’t do it?” DeSantis said during the event.

His press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,”

Yep keep thinking anything he does is for his constituents. It’s done all for Himself . This is just 1 of many examples
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banned gender affirming treatments for who? for everyone? or for
kids?

wayne, the guy just had an election and he won in an historic rout. what do you conclude from that? how can you not conclude that his citizens like what he’s doing?

man, it’s two years away and you guys are coming unglued over him, and he hasn’t even announced he’s running, and i don’t see how he can beat trump in a primary unless it’s just the two of them.

it must be very exhausting to constantly bend, or outright deny, factual truth that isn’t convenient for you.

I get why he terrifies you. he represents the popular policies of trump, with a far, far less obnoxious personality. You can easily paint trump as a lunatic without having to look stupid doing so. Can’t do the same with desantis, at least not yet, he’s got plenty of time to screw up. Desantis clobbered , and i mean clobbered, Cuomo on handling covid, and he did so while managing not to harass all the women within ten miles of him.

That’s called “winning”.

the DA announced that he wasn’t going to
enforce a new law which was duly constituted. of course they get paid to use judgment. but insisting that you’re not going to ever enforce a law you don’t happen to like, goes way beyond that.

“off with their heads”? more like, do the job you were hired to do, or find another job.

there are kits of productive careers for people
who want to be political advocates. Being a prosecutor isn’t one of them.

removing subordinates who refuse to do the job, isn’t what is call an absence of leadership. You can call it whatever you’d like.

He was hired elected 3 times by his constituents
Just like Santos who you argue he also was elected. But should keep his job unless he did something illegal

Ron fired him for his speaking aka his 1a rights. He never refused prosecute a case because none had been brought..

You seem to miss that part.

Funny Ron he did the same thing to Disney when they spoke against him..

Ron’s a classic bully loud mouthed and thin skinned. Just like your last man crush .

But The GOP has the nerve to claim the Biden administration has weaponized the Government. Lol

Ron’s giving us a preview what’s a weaponized government looks like. And what’s going to happen if he’s in the Oval Office

Any tradition or precedent not in writing he’ll ignore , remove any
All federal DAs and Assistant DAs will be removed unless they pledge their allegiance to Ron the same will happen to the General office corps he’ll remove them for being woke.
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He was hired elected 3 times by his constituents
Just like Santos who you argue he also was elected. But should keep his job unless he did something illegal

Ron fired him for his speaking aka his 1a rights. He never refused prosecute a case because none had been brought..

You seem to miss that part.

Funny Ron he did the same thing to Disney when they spoke against him..

Ron’s a classic bully loud mouthed and thin skinned. Just like your last man crush .

But The GOP has the nerve to claim the Biden administration has weaponized the Government. Lol

Ron’s giving us a preview what’s a weaponized government looks like. And what’s going to happen if he’s in the Oval Office

Any tradition or precedent not in writing he’ll ignore , remove any
All federal DAs and Assistant DAs will be removed unless they pledge their allegiance to Ron the same will happen to the General office corps he’ll remove them for being woke.
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did he say during his election, that he was going to refuse to enforce laws which didn’t align with his personal beliefs?

ron fired him for refusing to do the job to which he was elected.

who was my last man crush? trump? the one who i described a hundred times as a morally bankrupt reptile? that’s a man crush?

zero honesty. zip. just hate and derangement. 2024 is so far off, a hundred things could happen that would
make me say desantis would be a lousy presidential candidate. as of right now, he’s an absolute rock star, and you’re all scared absolutely sh*tless of him. You have absolutely no one like him on your side. maybe gavin newsom, and i can barely say that with a straight face.

Why would it surprise anyone that Jim loves an authoritarian.
DeFascist has now figured out how to get away with removing Democrats holding elected office in Florida. That is alarming. Bet he gets rid of a mayor next.
Follow the state or……
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Why would it surprise anyone that Jim loves an authoritarian.
DeFascist has now figured out how to get away with removing Democrats holding elected office in Florida. That is alarming. Bet he gets rid of a mayor next.
Follow the state or……
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yup, he’s a Nazi. And with all the jews retired and living in FL, I assume it won’t be long now…

yup, he’s a Nazi. And with all the jews retired and living in FL, I assume it won’t be long now…

Fascism isn’t confined to Nazis

Definition: Fascism: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

https://youtu.be/zae_nJ_Ik5I
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did he say during his election, that he was going to refuse to enforce laws which didn’t align with his personal beliefs?

ron fired him for refusing to do the job to which he was elected.

who was my last man crush? trump? the one who i described a hundred times as a morally bankrupt reptile? that’s a man crush?

yea that one who you said you would vote for if he was nominated that's a man crush

zero honesty. zip. just hate and derangement. 2024 is so far off, a hundred things could happen that would
make me say desantis would be a lousy presidential candidate. as of right now, he’s an absolute rock star, calling a politician a rock star is another example of how you have a man crush and you’re all scared absolutely sh*tless of him.

No Jim we see him for what he is I've voted for several republicans in my lifetime . and none resembled Ron AKA Trump's mini me

You have absolutely no one like him on your side. maybe gavin newsom, and i can barely say that with a straight face. you people said the same thing about basement Biden howd that work out

only in Jims world someone should get fired for claiming they would do something ... not fired when you actual dont do your Job


I saw this is a movie once where people were arrested and charged before they committed the Crime .

it was called Minority report .. seems Jim's fine with such logic .. but your all over due process

Fascism isn’t confined to Nazis

Definition: Fascism: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.


How does that definition of fascism differ it from Nazism, or Chinese Communism? And are you saying that Desantis controls the lives of the people of Florida, and that they are not allowed to disagree with him? And that he organized the society of Florida?

How does that definition of fascism differ it from Nazism, or Chinese Communism? And are you saying that Desantis controls the lives of the people of Florida, and that they are not allowed to disagree with him? And that he organized the society of Florida?

gee, when you put it that way, his post seems absurd.

How does that definition of fascism differ it from Nazism, or Chinese Communism? And are you saying that Desantis controls the lives of the people of Florida, and that they are not allowed to disagree with him? And that he organized the society of Florida?

I see you’re channeling Stefan Molyneux again
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I see you’re channeling Stefan Molyneux again
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Nope . . . just pointing out your stupid propaganda.

Nope . . . just pointing out your stupid propaganda.

I attached a YouTube video, so it must be true
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I attached a YouTube video, so it must be true
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Oh . . . don't tell me . . . I thought you didn't use YouTube because . . . because . . . Oh yea actually you have used it several times. Well, I guess you need to post SOME things that are true.

Oh . . . don't tell me . . . I thought you didn't use YouTube because . . . because . . . Oh yea actually you have used it several times. Well, I guess you need to post SOME things that are true.

Did it just for you…
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Did it just for you…
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Phew, then it's a good thing I didn't watch it. Your "gifts" are always so corrosive.

Unanimously, Florida Supervisors of Elections view this legislative proposal as unnecessary and lacking adequate feasibility for implementation," they wrote in their report.

Florida's new vote-by-mail measures are part of sweeping legislation signed into law last year by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis. Provisions in the law, known as Senate Bill 524, are similar to vote-by-mail ID rules that went into effect in Texas last year.

Yep more voter suppression in the name election integrity what a joke
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