This is the Sea Installer. 433' long 128' beam. In Salem as the offshore wind farm progresses..... $$$$ to Salem and others to line their pockets while doing damage to the ocean and marine life.... The costs and ROI make no sense at this point. This is the only way the left can force their agenda down our collective throats, by at least having some "clean energy" in their long term plans...

while doing damage to the ocean and marine life. How so ? Is it worse than drilling for oil at sea or the thousands of draggers .. agree or disagree on their benefits they are only new in the the US . European countries have had them for years …. And some of the best fluke and Black Sea bass fishing in RI is around the wind farm off black island https://www.onthewater.com/video-fishing-at-the-block-island-wind-farm

New technologies have always been challenging this is no exception


74% of Americans say they support the country's participation in international efforts to reduce the effects of climate change. 67% of U.S. adults prioritize the development of alternative energy sources such as wind, solar and hydrogen power over increasing the production of fossil fuel energy sources

I doubt this is a leftist agenda

Have to agree that draggers do more damage than just about anything to both sealife and habitat

I am actually a fan of them, and there is a time for clean energy.

However, if you are not for clean Nuclear the math doesn't work. Just mental masturbation.

I’m assuming there’s a giant pile driver on that deck somewhere?

Not sure what the equipment is. But I heard they had a one year lease in New Bedford that is expiring and signed a one year lease here. Scoured the coast for enough waterfront space to assemble and load. So I will have a front row seat as to local damage, if any. I know the commercial fishing industry is against them. And have read reports, unsubstantiated, of them causing unusually high whale mortality... So I will back off on my damage statement. BUT, there is no way it would have gotten funded unless they had to answer to namby pamby groups that REQUIRED a commitment to clean energy, because it does not make economic sense.

Yeah, the marine impacts are minor and the whale impacts are unsubstantiated. In reality, when the full lifecycle costs including health care from pollution related illness, environmental impacts, etc. etc. are included, oil only makes economic sense for oil companies. Coal is magnitudes worse. Nuclear would be great if we knew what to do with the waste. Battery technology improvements will likely be game changers in the coming decades.

Not really worried about it. Technological advances through history. It always come at a price of an existing technology, Prop airplanes, versus jet airplanes, VHS or beta DVD or laser disk eight tracks cassettes CDs MP3 players oil lamps to the electric light bulb coal crude oil.to natural gas, solar and now wind The list is forever evolving. Hopeful fusion will be a game changer if it happens… and if you’re in the right place, geothermal is the way to go.

It’s hard to support fossil fuel subsidies and not support, wind and solar subsidies. At some level

Pay now or pay later
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A couple of those cranes where busy at work south of BI this weekend,,, they sure are huge…..

Another view from my street, across the harbor.

Show me the science behind wind farms as a cost effective source of green energy. The the ROI is a wash. The impact on the environment to harvest the material (which mostly come from China which also stole the intellectual properties from the US) and on our ocean is shameful....where are all the environmental studies????

IMHO, this wind turbine idea is not viable. We are not talking about providing a single farm house of the prairie, it is going to take many, many of these, monstrosities to power even a small city, and who is going to pay for this, many miles of sea bed are going to be disturbed to run power lines, once installed, they will be guarded to protect from terrorist attacks ( both foreign and domestic), so forget fishing near them, you need storage and battery backup, electricity is an extremely inefficient power source. it always has been, yes, it's gotten better, and it has its place, in total agreement SOMETHING has to be done, we all have seen the huge weather swings. And the changing climate we live in, there is no denying that, some of it is "our" Falt, some of it is a natural cycle ( remember there was an ice age), people need to leave the politics out of it( and where money is involved politicians and i mean any and all of them will get their sticky little fingers in it) if there is ever to be a real solution to the problem, I wish they would work on a real solution instead of a stop gap band aid approach, stop the force feeding of money/political driven agendas... wind power has been around a long, long time, I'm just not sure this ( building wind platforms at sea) is the answer... only time will tell.

Show me the science behind wind farms as a cost effective source of green energy. The the ROI is a wash. The impact on the environment to harvest the material (which mostly come from China which also stole the intellectual properties from the US) and on our ocean is shameful....where are all the environmental studies????
There are tons of studies on both the environmental impact of turbines and economic analyses of life cycle costs. If you have access to professional journals you can read until your eyes hurt. I'm sure there are plenty of abstracts available for free on the interwebs, too.

Somewhat an aside, the father of a kid I coach works in "the oil industry." He was transferred from Houston to Connecticut to work on the wind project off of Montauk.

Another view from my street, across the harbor.

Providence river is loaded with support ships like these .. up close they were built specifically for the job

As a chemical engineer who has worked in the oil industry for the past 23 years, I am wholeheartedly behind the expansion of wind and solar. Fossil fuels are far too valuable to be burned to propel our cars and heat our homes. Climate change is real and the burning of fossil fuels is a major contributor. Science isn't left or right it's based on fact.

As a chemical engineer who has worked in the oil industry for the past 23 years, I am wholeheartedly behind the expansion of wind and solar. Fossil fuels are far too valuable to be burned to propel our cars and heat our homes. Climate change is real and the burning of fossil fuels is a major contributor. Science isn't left or right it's based on fact.

Well this is refreshing. I am so tired of hearing opinions from people who really have no true idea of what is true and what isn’t.. they just parrot what ever propaganda they have been fed by what ever “news” source that is probably funded by pro oil corporations.

And it is hilarious to listen to commercial fisherman who are against wind farms because it destroys the bottom of the seabed as they strip mine the bottom with bottom trawls.
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Anyone who doesn’t believe climate change isn’t real, is either living in a bubble somewhere or just plan ignoring what is happening globally. I don’t know enough about the economics of wind farms, but belonging to a solar farm and seeing how that has basically paid for our AC costs this summer I’m a big fan. We are getting to the point where it’s pay the price now to make changes or future generations are really going to be paying a hard price to slow climate change if it even can be at some tipping point. Insurance companies are getting hammered in these weather related catastrophic events and higher premiums to cover those costs are being passed on to all of us.

I am actually a fan of them, and there is a time for clean energy.

However, if you are not for clean Nuclear the math doesn't work. Just mental masturbation.

Nuclear is one of the greenest, if not the greenest, ways to generate electricity. We rely on it to a large extent here, and just put a new plant online. So getting cut off from Russian gas had very little effect on electricity costs and supply last winter. Spent fuel rods are placed deep underground in abandoned nickel mines.

The hysteria after Three Mile Island was unwarranted.

It’s just unfortunate that most of the jobs on the support ships are not employing Americans. Mostly foreign ships making money off US dollars.

However it is aweful hard lately finding a full crew for a US flag ship these days. Not many young people want to go to sea anymore.
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Nuclear is one of the greenest, if not the greenest, ways to generate electricity. We rely on it to a large extent here, and just put a new plant online. So getting cut off from Russian gas had very little effect on electricity costs and supply last winter. Spent fuel rods are placed deep underground in abandoned nickel mines.

The hysteria after Three Mile Island was unwarranted.
Some years ago I was on a flight with a nuclear engineer designing what was hoped to be the next big plant to get approved in the US. I’ve got my double gin and tonic and he’s spreading out blueprints everywhere explaining all the safety features. Total geek fest but I learned a lot.:read:

Nuclear is one of the greenest, if not the greenest, ways to generate electricity. We rely on it to a large extent here, and just put a new plant online. So getting cut off from Russian gas had very little effect on electricity costs and supply last winter. Spent fuel rods are placed deep underground in abandoned nickel mines.

The hysteria after Three Mile Island was unwarranted.


Some newest and next gen plant designs can use spent fuel from previous gen plants eliminating most of that waste.

That the Greens/Left want everything electric to combat global warming but won't use nuclear to do it means that for us to survive on solar and wind alone you are not going to have air conditioning, no cars, and you will take public trans if you are one of the few that still actually have a job. Otherwise the math does not work.

You'll eat Soylent Green from a tube and like it

Some newest and next gen plant designs can us spent fuel from previous gen plants eliminating most of that waste.


The modular nuclear using the spent fuel are a really cool idea. The size of a walmart and powers a town... pretty cool idea.

The modular nuclear using the spent fuel are a really cool idea. The size of a walmart and powers a town... pretty cool idea.




And one of many legit solutions to the problems people "care" about, ye here we are.

https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/eenews/2023/06/12/in-a-first-wind-and-solar-generated-more-power-than-coal-00101319
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This guys seems to have one of the most well thought out presentations I have seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

and this as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciStnd9Y2ak

That the Greens/Left want everything electric to combat global warming but won't use nuclear to do it means that for us to survive on solar and wind alone you are not going to have air conditioning, no cars, and you will take public trans if you are one of the few that still actually have a job. Otherwise the math does not work.

You'll eat Soylent Green from a tube and like it
Turn off Faux News
:rollem:
It is the Joe Manchin types in both parties that do whatever they can to slow progress and keep the reliance on fossil fuels.

There is some support for nuclear on both sides of the aisle but the economic life cycle of nuclear was way more expensive than natural gas, which became the darling. Plenty of democratic support for nuclear as a clean energy. The insurrectionist party is just held hostage to fossil fuel donors and uses their Faux media to feed their propaganda.

Some newest and next gen plant designs can use spent fuel from previous gen plants eliminating most of that waste.

That the Greens/Left want everything electric to combat global warming but won't use nuclear to do it means that for us to survive on solar and wind alone you are not going to have air conditioning, no cars, and you will take public trans if you are one of the few that still actually have a job. Otherwise the math does not work.

You'll eat Soylent Green from a tube and like it

The Greens here are actually big supporters of nuclear. But they're also not the US greens. Most American lefties would dismiss them as "neoliberals". :rotf3:

Air conditioning? Most building designers never saw a need for it when apartment blocks were built. That was before weeks of 25-30 degree Celsius (77 to 86 degree Fahrenheit) days became routine in summer. So we swelter/

I'm confused why is this in the fishing section?

I'm confused why is this in the fishing section?

Well the political forum is gone so.

Can't get involved in this stuff. Doesn't do my head any good.

Been on a job in south end of New Bedford for past few months and been observing. Son and I drive by them putting them together every day and the size of them is over whelmimg when u actually get close. Absolutely massive as well as the equipement to assemble.
The blades are so big u could literally drive a vechile into them.
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OK - Knock it off.

I believe in the free and open field of discussion but we have seen that does not work. SO KNOCK IT OFF

Please close my thread....

Please close my thread....

If I remembered how to hide the pissing contest, I would, but I haven't used my moderator buttons in years. I don't want to shut the whole thread down because 2 guys just ignored John and kept going.

Please close my thread....
That’s right YOU started it :happy:

Maybe this is an opening boxing match for if and when the X vs Facebook match happens.

OK - now that we finished that, be more pleasant, people

Maybe this is an opening boxing match for if and when the X vs Facebook match happens.

I thought that was already booked with JohnR vs TimS
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For recreational anglers the wind farms south of MV are going to be instant artificial reefs. They wlll be mahi and black sea bass factories and eventually become destination fishing locations. We worked hard to make sure once construction is done in an area we will be able to fish right up against them...similar to oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. The wind farms will displace some commercial fishing activity but not nearly as much as industry trade groups claim. A lot of the noise the commercial industry is making is all about getting paid...and they are being paid quite well.

I am 57 and never have I witnessed a public utility drop prices for any real length of time. I dont expect the energy from offshore wind to drop cost to consumer. I do think that clean renewable energy is the future and necessary and support multiple avenues including modern nuclear and offshore wind. Placement is a key and the farms off MV & Block were carefully selected. Im good with those. I dont know enough about NJ & NY areas to have an opinion. I am opposed to farms north of Cape Cod as teh bottom is much different and there is a lot of essential fish habitats that I am opposed to allowing damage.

Been on a job in south end of New Bedford for past few months and been observing. Son and I drive by them putting them together every day and the size of them is over whelmimg when u actually get close. Absolutely massive as well as the equipement to assemble.
The blades are so big u could literally drive a vechile into them.
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we have fields and fields of them here in texas - up in the panhandle. driving past them its almost hard to comprehend how big they are and how vast these "wind farms" are. Every time i drive south to austin i see multiple trucks carrying the blades north. a singular blade requires a special truck and wide load designation.

For recreational anglers the wind farms south of MV are going to be instant artificial reefs. They wlll be mahi and black sea bass factories and eventually become destination fishing locations. We worked hard to make sure once construction is done in an area we will be able to fish right up against them...similar to oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. The wind farms will displace some commercial fishing activity but not nearly as much as industry trade groups claim. A lot of the noise the commercial industry is making is all about getting paid...and they are being paid quite well.

This is not a suggestion that there should or should not be ocean wind farms or any of that, simply my observation from a recent trip

Down here in the gulf its truly amazing how much sea life congregates around the oil rigs. Tuna fishing near a rig in 2,000 feet of water last month we saw - yellowfin tuna, hammerheads, a blue marlin, white marlin, a barracuda, a tiger shark, and tons of rainbait. On the way out around inshore platforms there were acres of pogies and redfish all over. on the way in we caught tons of red snapper that were congregated on closed wellheads in 500 feet of water. pretty cool. it was like being a national geographic episode.