Tariff talk tanks the market AGAIN, I'm grumpy and don't like loosing money, but too young (relatively speaking) to start to think about not having some money invested in stocks.

Its almost like this market crash was pre meditated. Hmmmm. :hidin:
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Its almost like this market crash was pre meditated. Hmmmm. :hidin:
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Stock market manipulation, gee wiz who could engineer such a thing?

I have no idea. Really… ita like there must be someone who can manipulate world events to create uncertainty. Wish I knew … :huh:
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Regardless of why...this is painful

Regardless of why...this is painful

I guess if you a millionaire or bazillionaire loosing 15-25K is like loosing a penny, not the same for the average American, especially us old retired farts on a limited income.

Very painful week or so.

I generally don’t pay much attention to market fluctuations, what’s more concerning is a period of stagflation combined with a global recession which is now a real likelihood. Tarrifs will increase inflation and decrease corporate spending leading to more unemployed who can’t afford to buy chickens let alone eggs.

Its almost like this was all planned.

Kind of like Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction”. Yeah right
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It wasn't planned.

It wasn't planned.

I agree. As an old veteran I still believe in the Constitution and in the "Republic" 2 people will not bring us down.

I think people need to thing more in the "gestalt" mode. We will get through this.

I agree. As an old veteran I still believe in the Constitution and in the "Republic" 2 people will not bring us down.

I think people need to thing more in the "gestalt" mode. We will get through this.

Can’t wait for my course to open the end of next week, rather bitch about a crappy round than watching this dumb arse trade war take the economy in a bad direction.

It wasn't planned.

You dont think sewing chaos across the entire board wasnt planned? I do.
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You dont think sewing chaos across the entire board wasnt planned? I do.
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Sewing chaos was absolutely the plan. I do think that POTUS though has such an infantile knowledge of economics he really thinks he can bully the global economy into submission. Pay careful attention to their attack on the fundamentals of the legal system, it’s the one bulwark to this mess before midterms and they’re trying to destroy it and invalidate all future elections…comrade.

You dont think sewing chaos across the entire board wasnt planned? I do.
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No, He's undisciplined and is too dumb to recognize the impact of the things he says. I'm not gonna say anything else to comply with John's no politics request.
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Sewing chaos was absolutely the plan. I do think that POTUS though has such an infantile knowledge of economics he really thinks he can bully the global economy into submission. Pay careful attention to their attack on the fundamentals of the legal system, it’s the one bulwark to this mess before midterms and they’re trying to destroy it and invalidate all future elections…comrade.

Does almost gutting the integrity and fraud departments and Patel requesting a direct line to potus suggest a theme and the DOJ and FBI, the stage is set.

Does almost gutting the integrity and fraud departments and Patel requesting a direct line to potus suggest a theme and the DOJ and FBI, the stage is set.
It’s a lot, lot, worse than even that. They are not only going after government employees who were following legal instructions, now it’s open season on lawyers and law firms that represented democratic clients.

If an attorney is given a case it’s not a question of ethics to represent their client or not. They simply want the entire system paralyzed to function. For good or bad the US legal system sets us apart and is a critical institution. Without it we are no better then Russia, oh wait, that’s what they want.

Have a few friends who just retired. They have deferred compensation plans .and most were in aggressive positions.. and now have lost 10s if not hundreds of thousands of dollars . Which took decades to achieve

Gone overnight. And for what end?

Have a few friends who just retired. They have deferred compensation plans .and most were in aggressive positions.. and now have lost 10s if not hundreds of thousands of dollars . Which took decades to achieve

Gone overnight. And for what end?

It goes quick, I lost more than I make in social security yearly income, but being pretty healthy I still need to keep investing in the market. Musk thankfully lost billions, but luckily for him our president was kind enough to put on an adverting effort for Tesla, nice to have other rich friends to help in your time of need.

I know you guys know this but you only truly loose it if you sell. Its best to sit tight and add to it to average down as it goes down. It will come back. It always does. I think 9 out of the past 11 recessions happened under a republican leadership. How about that?? 😵#^&💫
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It goes quick, I lost more than I make in social security yearly income,
Oh they’re coming for that next :lasso:

I know you guys know this but you only truly loose it if you sell. It’s best to sit tight and add to it to average down as it goes down. It will come back. It always does.
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Sure it “always” does, but that doesn’t help someone already retired or within 15 years of retirement. Especially if you’re in your mid-fifties or older who hopefully has been shifting equities to bonds or cash.

But, and this is a huge but, I’m concerned the old system simply doesn’t work under what could be new rules. Where will bond rates go if the dollar tanks? Will US corporations flee if they don’t believe they can trust the US legal system to protect their intellectual property, or outspend their competitors with a corrupt pay for play Whitehouse?

The looming cuts to Medicaid are going to drive everybody's insurance rates up, and the tax cuts mostly targeting the top 1% will further suck wealth from middle and upper middle class taxpayers who fund a much larger % of SS per dollar they earn.

The stupidity and recklessness of all this is mind bending. Under no circumstances do you try and manipulate so many variables in a system at one time. It’s why your doctors rarely change multiple medications at once. It’s why manufacturers wait until greenfield product launches to significantly redesign go to market strategies.

That this is being rammed down our throats by a leader who didn’t even get 50% of the vote, who is circumventing the US Constitution at every turn and who is working undermine or outright destroy the institutions that make America exceptional, an unbiased legal system, a free press, separate but equal branches of government and on and on should scare the hell out of anyone who isn’t already a multi-millionaire.

This is Political

This is Political
Nah, it’s simply a constructive discussion around economics and prudent personal finance decisions.

Sadly everything looks like “politics” when you’re trying to eliminate it. No different that DEI, CRT etc… :devil2:

i have been buying silver for 15 years, Happy, Happy. I have a few pounds I bought at $16/oz. $34.08 Friday. Also have been buying gold.

Nah, it’s simply a constructive discussion around economics and prudent personal finance decisions.

Sadly everything looks like “politics” when you’re trying to eliminate it. No different that DEI, CRT etc… :devil2:


DEI & CRT ARE Political. It is not some grassroots Good Idea Fairy - it is political



OK - put the impact of the last 4 years of Biden admin under the same lens, but include P/E Ratios, Inflation, Treasury Spending. Tell me WHEN we should have had a recession and what was done to prevent it?

DEI & CRT ARE Political. It is not some grassroots Good Idea Fairy - it is political



OK - put the impact of the last 4 years of Biden admin under the same lens, but include P/E Ratios, Inflation, Treasury Spending. Tell me WHEN we should have had a recession and what was done to prevent it?

Oh, who gives a #^&#^&#^&#^&. If you guys paid attention while you were working, you should have put a way a nuff to live comfortable. We are fine but I still work because I like toys. Laugh at me I don't care.

DEI & CRT ARE Political. It is not some grassroots Good Idea Fairy - it is political
I’d think it’s more accurate to say they were politicized. Not sure how whitewashing critical achievements of the Code Talkers is a good idea, perhaps that fairy should be cancelled. “We have thousands of such cashes.”

OK - put the impact of the last 4 years of Biden admin under the same lens, but include P/E Ratios, Inflation, Treasury Spending. Tell me WHEN we should have had a recession and what was done to prevent it?
P/E is usually an individual company metric but whatever, I have people who make those decisions for me.

Seems like a recession was anticipated after Biden’s first year on. He largely avoided it because of investments in growth and Joe took the political heat for the Fed doing their job keeping rates high long enough to break the inflationary cycle. Post-Covid inflation was a global problem but the US fared better than every other large Western nation. Sure, the stimulus could have been tapered off a little faster, but the reality is he left the overall economy in remarkable shape. I’d say the only real weak spot — as voters pointed out — was that upper incomes were doing most of the spending, offsetting disproportionate inflationary pressure on commodities that outpaced wage gains on everyday workers.

We’ll see what the looming stagflation does to your P/E ratios as investors look for more stable markets. I see with the current trajectory a gigantic economic mess, a lot more debt and perhaps the worst own goal in the history of the United States. If the wealth gap is your measure of progress though we’ll be doing just fine.

March ended with the worst market in two years and the odds of a recession have jumped up to 40%, love to win with tariffs.

I love how somebody special doesn’t care if the prices of cars go up because consumers will just choose American product. 1) 40% of a domestic car is made from foreign parts and 2) if people stop buying imports how are we going to “make” as much money from tariffs?

Can’t we just go back to bailing out American farmer who can’t sell their rotting grain, you know like the last term?

It is no longer IF we are going into recession. It is how deep and how long.... And in case you did not connect the dots, tariffs are another way to raise taxes, without raising taxes......

It is no longer IF we are going into recession. It is how deep and how long.... And in case you did not connect the dots, tariffs are another way to raise taxes, without raising taxes......
I’ve read a full blown recession is about 40% now. And tariffs as taxes, true, and hits the poor and middle class the hardest.

The shyte will really hit the fan when rural red states realize wealthy liberal cities have been subsidizing them all along once these federal cuts either just eliminate services they depend upon or state taxes go up to compensate.

Now the deficit increase, by making the wealthiest tax cuts permanent, is estimated at 9 Trillion over ten years. The only way to legally pass this is for the House to use an alternative model where the cost is estimated at zero because it’s off of the current baseline — where the taxes are in effect — rather than as a spending increase after they expire.

This is like me running a 10k a month visa bill when I earn 7k, yet claiming my new bill of 11k/mo is only 1000 dollars higher so everything’s great!

Anyone who is rightly concerned about our national debt should be wretching over what’s being proposed.

What a scam he pulled on the people who voted him into office, lower prices day one (nope), reduce the deficit (nope), make America great again; if becoming hated by our allies and loved by the dictators of the world is the definition yup. The rich and insiders are poised to start buying the bargains. Buckle up this recession will be a tough one. Hey Marsh are we winning now?

I feel so bad for the veterans who served our country proudly and are getting a royal screwing by this administration. The veterans still serving are worried about our national security as those in charge are carelessly discussing sensitive national security intel over a commercial app, while all our adversaries are loving that fact and are likely reading the chats with smiles on their faces.

I thought the Boss said no more politics.

Stop this crap!!!

2 trillion dollars erased in the markets today.
Winning
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Guys you need to give him a chance, I know everybody wants the prices of groceries to drop, but he’s starting with the price of stocks. I’m sure groceries will be next.
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I thought the Boss said no more politics.

Stop this crap!!!
We’re talking about the price of sand worms Paulie. I say 58 bucks a flat isn’t terrible but if they’re the good New Brunswick sand worms those are going to be like 70 now.

Stop this crap!!!

Trust me most of America will soon be screaming that same thing as their retirement savings take the hit, but we are winning watching Trump burn down the house to cook his steak. Our post covid economy was the envy of the world, he killed it in one day and then flew off to play golf.

Today will be just as bad…
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Today will be just as bad…
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Fark, how high do you th8nk sand worms are going to go?

Might have to sell some rods and reels to pay for those groceries.

Can’t we just go back to bailing out American farmer who can’t sell their rotting grain, you know like the last term?

Don’t worry the bail outs are coming for them. But who’s bailing out Americans 401k. And their big money losses .. my sister in law lost 20k. In 1 day .. let’s just say buyers remorse has set in. :smokin:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Todays-Oil-Prices-Arent-Survivable-For-US-Producers.html

Don’t worry the bail outs are coming for them. But who’s bailing out Americans 401k. And their big money losses .. my sister in law lost 20k. In 1 day .. let’s just say buyers remorse has set in. :smokin:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Todays-Oil-Prices-Arent-Survivable-For-US-Producers.html

I think someone, maybe on the golf course, needs to explain what the phrase day one means or mandate. I can’t get myself to look at my accounts, but since i pay bills out of one of them, i’m guessing I lost at least $35k or more.

Don’t worry the bail outs are coming for them. But who’s bailing out Americans 401k. And their big money losses .. my sister in law lost 20k. In 1 day .. let’s just say buyers remorse has set in. :smokin:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Todays-Oil-Prices-Arent-Survivable-For-US-Producers.html
She only looses it if she sells.
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She only looses it if she sells.
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That’s wishful thinking.

She didn’t earn that in one day. And she’ll never get it back in one day.. now if she had another 12 years working . Then she could recover. But she was looking to retire in 3. And things aren’t looking like they are going to improve anytime soon.
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Heres hoping something changes
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Heres hoping something changes
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All depends on what Ron Vara says
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Update her account is now down 48k. Even my account that was moved to minimum risk is down 5k.. 5 trillion gone and they’re still talking tax cuts. :bs:

Had to look unfortunately, I’m down $55K, i just hope that is the bottom. Anyone have any doubts about how this genius bankrupted so many companies? I can only hope enough republicans see the writing on the wall after so much public outrage across, not only this country, but the world and start to stand up against Trump. Like many advisers my managers weren’t predicting a recession, but they obvious didn’t think this administration could be this economically stupid.

I don’t see why anyone would worry Bessent said we should be reassured by the market working very smoothly Friday.
And the rest of the cabinet understands the plan. You can see that because they were on TV at the same time:
NAVARRO: “This is not a negotiation.”
LUTNICK: “Of course they are” open to negotiation.
So with that clarity I’m sure the markets will react appropriately on Monday.
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I don’t see why anyone would worry Bessent said we should be reassured by the market working very smoothly Friday.
And the rest of the cabinet understands the plan. You can see that because they were on TV at the same time:
NAVARRO: “This is not a negotiation.”
LUTNICK: “Of course they are” open to negotiation.
So with that clarity I’m sure the markets will react appropriately on Monday.
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I learned on This Week that consumers won’t feel price increases because they’ll just lower demand forcing foreign suppliers to reduce cost.

Of course this sort of assumes US manufacturers don’t import raw materials or foreign suppliers can’t sell into other markets.

What would be kind of silly haha funny is if we tariffed everyone so US suppliers wouldn’t sell as much abroad either so those markets would need lower cost suppliers. Haha silly.

We’re gonna be rich.

Tariff talk tanks the market AGAIN, I'm grumpy and don't like loosing money, but too young (relatively speaking) to start to think about not having some money invested in stocks.
For posterity I’d just like to note the thread was started nearly a month ago.

Today will be more of the same where every American, blue, red or purple, suffer while more of their hard earned retirement savings go down the drain. The country voted for change, but this was not what they expected. Many thinking about retirement might need to keep working and at the same time they will be looking at higher prices making saving harder, are we all winning now. I think Trump has solidified his place in the history books as the worst president of all time.

Today will be more of the same where every American, blue, red or purple, suffer while more of their hard earned retirement savings go down the drain. The country voted for change, but this was not what they expected. Many thinking about retirement might need to keep working and at the same time they will be looking at higher prices making saving harder, are we all winning now. I think Trump has solidified his place in the history books as the worst president of all time.


'Sometimes you have to take medicine': he said jobs and investment would return to the US to make it "wealthy like never before". DJT

Wealthy for who exactly?

Make the American Great Depression Again.
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They want to imprison anyone for burning down a Tesla.

For 20 years.

What do you think for burning down the stock market?
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:gorez:

Any wonder why 10 of the last 11 recessions since 1953 began under republican presidents. Anyone wonder if what Trump and his rich buddies aren't just manipulating the markets so they can cash in on this, something inside traders would be convicted of, but since the supreme court gave him immunity he is doing what he does best; screw people to enrich himself.

Someone blinked…. Can’t wait to see the spin.

Someone blinked…. Can’t wait to see the spin.

A small habdfull of people just made a lot of money on this manipulation
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A small habdfull of people just made a lot of money on this manipulation
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I’m not a conspiracy theorist but this seems like more than just stupidity and ignorance.

If history is any measure Jr will be bragging about it tonight.

A small habdfull of people just made a lot of money on this manipulation
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What the rich getting richer as Trump manipulates the market, tell me it ain’t so.

It’s a small club and you ain’t in it.
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He said buy in the morning 🤷🏻#^&♂️
I didn’t
But to get to that point
He started a global trade war
Panicked the markets
Created massive selloffs; $10T+ in losses biggest ever
Weakens the dollar
Take most of it back at the last minute
Don’t worry lots of American businesses are still going bankrupt from the China tariffs
Recouped some of the losses he was responsible for
People rejoice because it could’ve been much worse, only lost a few trillion in the market and the rest of the world is trying to not have to deal with him.
He literally claims other leaders want to kiss his ass.
China is trying to figure out the best way to replace the dollar and who will join them.
So the situation we’re in is after nine years of missed legal opportunities by others to kill him politically, the victim attempted suicide by tariff and failed.
He’s announced that he’ll try again in 90 days.
Stay positive and be careful
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We all ready for Trump’s get rich scheme week two? Insider trading went as planed week one, he got a nice shower over the weekend, so let’s see what the fun this week has for us as he makes America weaker again, while enriching his rich biddies. So prices are going up (not down as promised) and small companies might not make it and if you think American companies aren’t going to take advantage of an opportunity to raise prices the public will just expect, you don’t remember what they did during and after covid.

Yup. The scheme seems to be to crash the value of the dollar. Stock values and home values will go up as the dollar looses its power… problem is everything else goes up too. Soon everyone will be a millionaire ;)
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With Trumps latest rant about Powell, I suspect the beginning of the upcoming week will be more of the same, hopefully not a big downward spiral. This president is a child and now that he plans to use the IRS to punish his enemies, the circus is just expanding.

Worst dow April performance since 1932, what a winning tariff war the economic genius is running. Only Trump who knows more about everything could tank not only our economy, but the global economy as well.

Im tired of all the winning !
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Musk got suckerd in like all the other Trumpy’s

Elon is taking a break from destroying your retirement plan to focus on saving his.
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Musk got suckerd in like all the other Trumpy’s

The hard core MAGA cult members and that unfortunately includes all the spineless republicans in both houses, will never admit their guy shouldn’t be in the White House.
Hopefully the more centrist republicans and independents have had enough of his bull #^&#^&#^&#^& and the trashing of our constitution and our economy and will pressure their house members.
He has also trashed our reputation around the world and made our country less safe. That is apparent with the chaos in the department of defense and fda cuts eliminated safeguards for the food we rely on.
I am really concerned for the country this clown is going to leave my kids and my grandchildren.
For years I have avoided political commentary on facebook, but this administration needs to be called out for what it is.
As an independent I vote for qualified people and the orange clown and his cabinet of yes men and women aren’t even close to qualified.

Elect a clown, expect a circus
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Elect a clown, expect a circus
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Gotta love a clown car 🤡
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Can you just imagine if a democratic president tanked the market and then left for the weekend to collect god knows how much money from the Saudi’s and LIV golf. He and Musk don’t even try to hide the grift, it is right out in the open, as they know all the republicans in both houses have lost their spines and moral compass. At least Tesla is tanking so bad maybe Musk will be gone, but the damage will take years to repair, assuming our Republic survives.

Trump crypto soars as president offers dinner to top holders

The price of Donald Trump's cryptocurrency has soared after the US president promised to host two special events for its top investors.
The website for the $Trump meme coin says its 220 biggest holders will be invited to a private gala dinner with the president on 22 May, describing it as the "most EXCLUSIVE INVITATION in the world."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8g2kpzx0go

Selling the White House and access…. But but Hunter …

Where are Jim Jordon or Comer now. Or the GOP? Or the maga Hordes Outrage on this open corruption and market manipulation. Yet not a year ago.


Comer and his GOP colleagues on the House Oversight Committee further alleged that the payments, which included some from a Romanian national and a Chinese entity, constitute a “pattern of influence peddling…

What do you call the BBC story? Fake news ?

by the way isn’t political. It’s called presenting the historical FACTS…

No sh*t Wayne, it is unbelievable that the grifting and con is right out there for everyone to see, yet nobody is doing or saying anything. If Biden or Obama were doing it, the right would have already moved to impeach them. And then there is the but but Hilary on the private server and you have the most unqualified head of the DOD using unsecured chat apps and then he has the stupidity to run a dirty internet line into his office.

Clinton got impeached for lying about getting head in the office, but at least he could balance a budget. Trump lies about almost everything he is asked to comment on, from gas pricing being under $2 (yeah if you traveled back in time), to the price of his favorite word groceries. Just when you think it can’t get any worse, another check mark is down on completing the project 25 paybook.

I fear our kids and grandchildren are in for a tough time if something doesn’t slow this out of control train wreck down.

Midterms should be interesting
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Midterms should be interesting
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No doubt there will be efforts by these project 25 QB’s to affect how that election is run.

Midterms should be interesting
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Yes they will be ..

As billionaire Elon Musk scales back work for U.S. President Donald Trump, he’s laying the groundwork for a major role as a Republican political megadonor in next year’s midterm elections, according to four people with direct knowledge of the matter.

And the Hispanic support is slipping..

I hope the population in this country can see that trumps tariffs are actually designed to fund “trickle up” economics. The working class will fund the rich’s tax cuts with their extra stealth tax.
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I hope the population in this country can see that trumps tariffs are actually designed to fund “trickle up” economics. The working class will fund the rich’s tax cuts with their extra stealth tax.
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Cult members wont be moved, but hopefully centrist republicans and independents will say enough is enough.

I hope the population in this country can see that trumps tariffs are actually designed to fund “trickle up” economics. The working class will fund the rich’s tax cuts with their extra stealth tax.
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Seems the new plan is to grant what they are calling targeted tariff exemptions. Which is code for taking care of donors. Or industries.
To limit sticker shock .for us consumers…. Or basically Bait and switch.

Sadly many Americans are falling for it. That it’s some Art of the deal by their genius president.

On a sidenote, I thought oil plummeted to under $60 a barrel but I haven’t seen a reduction at the pump at home. It’s like 268 to 280 and on my drive to Hilton head North Carolina South Carolina many places is three dollars a gallon.. which surprise me ! Its always been $.20 cheaper down south

I thought the Boss said no more politics.

Stop this crap!!!

After 4 years of not one post it took less than a month to find this thread and see that it still hasn't changed even after JohnR said no more.

Done with this place.

After 4 years of not one post it took less than a month to find this thread and see that it still hasn't changed even after JohnR said no more.

Done with this place.

You are aware this is the grumpy old pharts board, seems like a logical thread to me and I for one am capable of discussing what are some serious national security and economic issues and pop into post in the fishing threads if and when I hit the salt again.

Not everything can be fake news 100% of the time. But that’s the suggestion

Believe in truth

To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. if nothing is true, then no one can criticize power because there is no basis upon which to do so if nothing is true, then all is spectacle the biggest wall pays for the most blinding lights.

Not sure why some people are afraid to read actual facts and current events

I haven’t seen anyone naming names . Just people pointing out the obvious .. not hate no vitriol just a conversation..

Look at the massive power outage in Spain, those are real possibilities for the US, as cyber security found China in all our infrastructure in the last term and managed to get them out. So Trump guts that department, why……oh yeah because they proved the 2020 election was 100% fair. Trump lives to hurt anyone who he felt hurt him.

DOD head is a joke, if you feel secure, glad your comfortable. He spends 50% of his efforts trying to find leakers or people talking about how inept he is, not to concerned about our security.

MORAN: Even some people who voted for you are saying, 'I didn't sign up for this.' So how do you answer those concerns?

TRUMP: Well, they did sign up for it actually

He has a point. They can claim willful ignorance all they like. They have no excuse.
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Look at the massive power outage in Spain, those are real possibilities for the US, as cyber security found China in all our infrastructure in the last term and managed to get them out. So Trump guts that department, why……oh yeah because they proved the 2020 election was 100% fair. Trump lives to hurt anyone who he felt hurt him.
It’s worse than that, and straight out of the authoritarian playbook.

All over government they’re not just eliminating oversight but trying to erase history so they can replace it with a Trump friendly set of facts, unable to be disproven because their data is all that’s available. I’m somewhat surprised JR hasn’t removed the political forum from the search engine to be honest.

Before the election I said the US would be looking a lot like Russia in 5-10 years. Now I’d say we’re on the fast track to Hungary in 2. No press freedom, lack of liberties, wrecked universities and a disastrous economy.

But as Trump said yesterday, you voted for it.

SNL or reality?

WELKER: When does it become the Trump economy?

TRUMP: It partially is right now. I think the good parts are the Trump economy and the bad parts are the Biden economy
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Kari Lake says OAN's far-right coverage will fuel Voice of America.:faga:

Kari Lake says OAN's far-right coverage will fuel Voice of America.:faga:
What a great way to repay OAN for its continued propaganda.

Seriously, his economic strategy is such a cl#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g fluster I’m not sure we can avert a bad recessed even if he changed course today, and the GOP seems content to just let him drive the ship right into the rocks.

What happens next could be a lot, lot worse.

Short term pain might turn into a long term nightmare

Did you guys see that developing african countries who are trying to negotiate having tariffs dropped were told that chances of them being dropped will increase if they signed contracts with Starlink. They aren't even trying to hide the corruption.
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I wonder if a decade from now looking back wishing we weren’t living in the new Russia, those that voted this criminal into power truly regret their past decisions. Project 25 is rolling over America and I’m not sure the American public have a chance to stop it.

What a surprise that the “full and comprehensive” free trade agreement Trump is announcing with much fanfare this morning is not exactly full and comprehensive.

UK provided a polite reality check to Trump's posts about a "full and comprehensive" deal
UK-US deal will set out general terms of agreement: UK official
Will set framework for further negotiations: UK official
Focused on specific sectors, not traditional FTA:UK official

That’s a good sign for 90 deals in 90 days. The first trade deal Trump is celebrating is actually the framework of a deal.

No one knows concepts of a plan or frameworks of a deal like Trump.
It’s like Deja Vu all over again
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It’s a nothing burger. We have a trade surplus with the UK. Only positive is it may show they will negotiate.

China is the big rock and they have huge leverage. Thousands of pounds of rare earth materials that go into F-35s, subs and bombs are mostly refined in China. 70% of products for baby care are made in China. If the US stops buying imports they’ll just tell their factory workers to do with less.

It takes a really stupid person to take a growing economy, put it in reverse and into negative GDP, but we rational clear thinking people ( blue, red or purple) have known for years Trump is that special kind of stupid.

Wow perfect example, just caught a clip of Trump responding to a reporter responding to his two Barbie dolls for Xmas and he said he may consider 145% tariff on the country of Matel so they cant sell any of their dolls in the US. OMG you cant even make that sh*t up.

Trump says he is naming Fox News host and former judge Jeanine Pirro to be top federal prosecutor in Washington, D.C.

:lurk:

Anyone surprised the golden one is ready to continue the biggest grift of all time, by taking a luxury jet from Qatar. That on top of all the middle east investment of millions in his meme coin, can you believe the right was so upset about Hunter but now crickets. What a con job he has pulled on those the put him back into power, they are the middle class and below, how do they feel about no promises kept (groceries) all while the Trump family is making a killing.

Its a cult
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Anyone surprised the golden one is ready to continue the biggest grift of all time, by taking a luxury jet from Qatar. That on top of all the middle east investment of millions in his meme coin, can you believe the right was so upset about Hunter but now crickets. What a con job he has pulled on those the put him back into power, they are the middle class and below, how do they feel about no promises kept (groceries) all while the Trump family is making a killing.
Qatar is the main source of money for Hamas and hates Israel, by accepting their lavish gift and making it a symbol of American strength he’s owning the Libs and the Muslims at the SAME TIME.

Hunter’s epic corruption selling artwork or Clinton’s use of a private email server to send NY Times articles on drones are the real lasting stain on our once great nation. So Trump’s kids aren’t allowed to even have a job? What’s next they can’t even take bribes? Jesus, it’s like you’re all anti-family and probably would even hold a door for a trans person.

We now OWN China!

Propose a Trump tower in your country, your sanctions go away, no matter if your linked to terroists who killed US citizens.

Propose a Trump tower in your country, your sanctions go away, no matter if your linked to terroists who killed US citizens.
Yep, projection of US power. This will help in the tariff negotiation for sure :rollem:

Trump shoulder to shoulder with two of the most evil mother f*ckers in his publicity photo op, he fits in perfectly with those leaders. Ice hit our neighbors long time landscaping company this week, most of the workers will be deported if not already. I wonder how many small landscaping, roofing and painting companies will be folding as they loose their workers.

Trump shoulder to shoulder with two of the most evil mother f*ckers in his publicity photo op, he fits in perfectly with those leaders. Ice hit our neighbors long time landscaping company this week, most of the workers will be deported if not already. I wonder how many small landscaping, roofing and painting companies will be folding as they loose their workers.
Kid Rock’s restaurant in Nashville had to close down when ice was doing sweeps so his illegal immigrant employees could shelter and not get rounded up. i guess ol kid rock thinks illegals need to go, except for the ones he can make money off of.
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Kid Rock’s restaurant in Nashville had to close down when ice was doing sweeps so his illegal immigrant employees could shelter and not get rounded up. i guess ol kid rock thinks illegals need to go, except for the ones he can make money off of.
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Not a lot of young white boys ready to take those jobs, the work is to hard, the hours aren’t right and the money won’t pay the car payment.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens to groceries when the deportation plan is fully implemented.
Groceries will really become an old fashioned word, unless you can find agricultural workers to replace them.
Maybe this administration will institute a Down to the Countryside program as part of their central economic planning.
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It’ll be interesting to see what happens to groceries when the deportation plan is fully implemented.
Groceries will really become an old fashioned word, unless you can find agricultural workers to replace them.
Maybe this administration will institute a Down to the Countryside program as part of their central economic planning.
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No worries, Bessent is on MTP right now claiming gas prices have “cratered” under Trump. Average cost per gallon is higher than under Biden.

Didn’t think I could hear anything more stupid than the crap coming out of every single cabinet member, well of course I was wrong. So Kristi Noem is floating an idea for a reality TV show where immigrants battle each other and the winner gets a chance to become a citizen. I swear I think Trump may be smarter than I give him credit, if he nominated all these unqualified idiots as cabinet members and set Musk loose, so he and his family can rake in millions while we are distracted by the shinny objects.

Didn’t think I could hear anything more stupid than the crap coming out of every single cabinet member, well of course I was wrong. So Kristi Noem is floating an idea for a reality TV show where immigrants battle each other and the winner gets a chance to become a citizen. I swear I think Trump may be smarter than I give him credit, if he nominated all these unqualified idiots as cabinet members and set Musk loose, so he and his family can rake in millions while we are distracted by the shinny objects.

Not Millions, it’s Billions that Two Dolls has made

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+has+the+trump+family+benefited+f rom+his+presidency&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS970US970&oq=how+much+has+the+trump+family+benefited+from+hi s+presidency&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yDQgCEA AYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyBwgEECEYoAEyBwgF ECEYoAEyBwgGECEYoAEyBwgHECEYoAEyBwgIEAAY7wUyCggJEA AYgAQYogTSAQkzOTIxNGowajeoAhmwAgHiAwQYASBf8QWNTzma sgBvfg&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Didn’t think I could hear anything more stupid than the crap coming out of every single cabinet member, well of course I was wrong.

Kristi Noem.

I swear I think Trump may be smarter than I give him credit, if he nominated all these unqualified idiots as cabinet members

Sorry, edited your post.

Habeas corpus LOL
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The republican party is just as dumb to think this idiot and his circus of idiots is their answer, like Kristi they don’t know the definition of winning.

The republican party is just as dumb to think this idiot and his circus of idiots is their answer, like Kristi they don’t know the definition of winning.
She knew exactly what she was lying about.

It started with immigrants, illegal, citizens, gang members, gay hair dressers…they don’t really care about the Constitution if it leads to deportations and cruelty.

Not they’re using the DOJ to go after judges and politicians. The absurd attacks on the media continue.

The POTUS literally put HIS FACE on a crypto coin and is using the office to personally rake in billions.

The fundamentals of our innovation engine are crumbling.

The poor and middle class are being asked to pay for tax cuts for billionaires.

At least — the real existential threat being the national debt — is finally being tackled with the conservative brain trust running the entire government.

Oh for #^&#^&#^&#^&s sake :doh:

EO to reduce drug prices up to 80%

When suggested by Dems. It’s was called socialism/ communism

Now it’s called common sense. Just like EV’s. they hated them . until the dear leader told them he loved them. Now they love them.. Afrikaans good because at there is genocide. ? Anywhere, anyone shade darker or Muslim is as a criminal & illegal and Must go. Anyone else see the pattern l:cheers2:

EO to reduce drug prices up to 80%

When suggested by Dems. It’s was called socialism/ communism

Now it’s called common sense. Just like EV’s. they hated them . until the dear leader told them he loved them. Now they love them.. Afrikaans good because at there is genocide. ? Anywhere, anyone shade darker or Muslim is as a criminal & illegal and Must go. Anyone else see the pattern l:cheers2:
Ten years ago the GOP would be inconsolable at the Soviet style price fixing.

But it’s just another deke, no shareholder owned business is going to just kill off its profit engine.

Comrades. Do not speak poorly of our new fascist oligarchs.
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Trump wishes everyone a happy suckers and loosers weekend.

Donald Trump West Point Commencement Speech transcript

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-west-point-commencement-speech-transcript

Odd the White House released the written copy of the speech. Nothing was added when he went off script.

Talking about.. some guy. He ended up getting a divorce. Found a new wife. Could you say a trophy wife? I guess we can say a trophy wife. It didn't work out too well," the president said in his speech , or transgender athletes during West Point speech. Every one should watch it then draw your own conclusion kewl:

My conclusions were drawn a long ling time ago. Narcissist, sociopath, egotistical pathological liar. The greatest con of the century.
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My conclusions were drawn a long ling time ago. Narcissist, sociopath, egotistical pathological liar. The greatest con of the century.
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And so much of what Trump is doing is exactly the same as what conservatives have been trying to trash democrats for my entire lifetime.

It’s not just a cult, it’s a death cult.

On this weekend, you couldn’t have a more disrespectful president in the white house, when it comes to our veterans. Bone spur Donny wants a military parade for his birthday, nothing in appropriate there right? Past presidents have sat in daily for a defense and security briefing, but Donny would rather be golfing, or making money for the family, so in over a hundred days it is reported he has only been in just over a dozen. People putting money in his pocket or stroking his ego get his attention, otherwise what little mind he has left is directed elsewhere.

Early Memorial Day 2025, President Donald Trump used his Truth Social platform to post the following writing in all caps

"HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL, INCLUDING THE SCUM THAT SPENT THE LAST FOUR YEARS TRYING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY THROUGH WARPED RADICAL LEFT MINDS, WHO ALLOWED 21,000,000 MILLION PEOPLE TO ILLEGALLY ENTER OUR COUNTRY, MANY OF THE BEING CRIMINALS AND THE MENTAO INSANE,THROUGH AN OPEN BORDER THAT ONLY AN INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT WOULD APPROVE, AND THROUGH JUDGES WHO ARE ON A MISSION TO KEEP MURDERERS, DRUG DEALERS, RAPISTS, GANG MEMBERS, AND RELEASED PRISONERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, IN OUR COUNTRY SO THEY CAN ROB, MURDERERS, AND RAPE AGAIN, PROTECTED BY THESE USA HATING JUDGES WHO SUFFER FROM AN IDEOLOGY THAT IS SICK, AND VERY DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY. HOPEFULLY THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, AND OTHER GOOD AND COMPASSIONATE JUDGES THROUGHOUT THE LAND, WILL SAVE US FROM THE DECISIONS OF THE MONSTERS WHO WANT OUR COUNTRY TO GO TO HELL."

While I should be shocked, it is a perfect example of a really sick f*uckef up racist sitting in the oval office and to do it on a day we are remembering those that gave up their lives so we can enjoy the freedoms this country provides, is so disrespectful. Just like Trump walking out of the West Point graduation without staying to shake the hands of the graduates, which is a long standing tradition. Biden stayed to shake every hand and that mother just bails after his photo op.

Just watched some of Trumps West Point commencement speech and all I can say is shameful.

I thought Trump said Zelenskyy had no cards? Perfect example of why we should be fully backing them, stop Russia and you have a perfect democratic addition to Nato. Taco and Chief and his fu*ked up isolationist advisers can’t see that far ahead, hopefully our allies do and can help them continue the fight.

There’s a reason Zelenskyy kept his cards close to his chest in the Oval Office.
I think there’s a few more cards to drop
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Hope Z plops one right in Putins lap, but Z took out the bridge to Crimea, kept hitting them. Payback is a bitch.

Musk from MAGA hero now MAGA zero. Wow talk abut Grupthink.

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon where a group prioritizes consensus over critical thinking and objective decision-making, leading to potentially flawed or irrational conclusions

The most corrupt and f*cked up administration we and likely anyone in the distant future; assuming our democracy survived will ever witness. Raise deficit sure. Put millions off health insurance sure. Put a nut in charge of our health you bet. Fire and treat our veterans like crap why not they are losers. Put people at risk by firing key people and reduce funding for the FAA, NOAA, FEMA and other critical departments why not. Turn my term into the biggest money making opportunity for my family and my rich buddies hey that was the plan all along. High my attorney’s and legal supports to bury evidence and keep me out of prison absof*cking certain.

America is trashed worldwide, nobody trusts us, nobody can plan their futures because we have a lunatic running wild in the white house. The republican enablers will have their day if not in the mid terms, certainly in the history books.

Trump Appoints 22-Year-Old Ex-Gardener and Grocery Store Assistant to Lead U.S. Terror Prevention

Search Thomas Fugate. On Fox. Or newsmax. Nothing And we know why. Yet. The daily mail has it. So much for it being fake news:rotflmao:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14784285/thomas-fugate-rise-grocery-store-worker-anti-terrorism-chief.html

Great fit in the clown car, getting crowded with unqualified people, put the youngster in the trunk.

Troops called in against people exercising (reportedly peacefully) their constitution rights and the states didn’t request them, which is required by law. If the no kings day protests are met with troops things might get ugly and someone is going to die. Remember the CSNY song about the Kent State students shot down, history could be repeating. Remember how it started in Germany, with the newly elected Chancellor pardoning all the prisoners he needed to get things rolling. Sound familiar? In Germany 1/3 of the people were willing to kill 1/3, while the other 1/3 did nothing. These ice violent arrests are really getting out of hand and I am not sure how many are really the criminals they claim. Plenty of hard working immigrants are being scooped up without any due process.

The project 25 architects, who are really running the show, have escalating things in CA not because they were needed; but because this will set him up to do what they really want in the mid terms. If he can spread this around to other largely blue states and large cities, he will likely attempt to declare a national state of emergency so he can suspend the elections. If fair elections are held, we gain back the house and maybe even the senate. With the house Trump and this administration will be see a lot of subpoenas.

Buy Gold and Silver. I have been and am up HUGE!!!

Buy Gold and Silver. I have been and am up HUGE!!!

Not worried about money, but I am worried about what country my kids and grand kids are going to be left with. There is one shaky stool left on fragile democracy. We have a tv host in charge of our national defense. We have a environmental lawyer and vaccine denier in charge of our health. We have a WWF owner in charge of our kids education. We have Trumps personal lawyer in charge of the DOJ, with a deep state conspiracy theorist in charge of the FBI. Must I go on, up next will be marshal law and we may never have free and fare elections again.

Kristi Noem stated today that the Trump regime is going to overthrow the authority of duly elected state and city officials for political reasons.

Kristi Noem: "We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."

This isn’t going to end well
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We need the military to say hell no. She started today by having a senator wrestled to the ground and handcuffed, because she didn’t or wouldn’t allow him to ask questions. Her spin is laughable, saying they thought he was a threat and he didn’t ID himself. So the secretary of homeland security and her secret service agents don’t know who the two senators in the state they are trying to take control of are?