Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214111)

I have yet to see....

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1213963)

This has always been a messy war with civilian casualties, it’s unavoidable when the enemy fights in and among the civilian population.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214373)

Too bad lefties don't give Israel the same benefit of the doubt in the same exact situation.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214377)

We do but they do it at a greater scale. Israel kills 213 Palestinians in airstrikes; Palestinian militant groups kill 12 Israelis with rocket attacks .. You assume Israel’s and hamas care if civilians get killed

I think it benefits both of their narratives.. as sad as that is
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214378)

maybe you do. but democrats as a group do not.

if i said 2+2=4, would you say no it doesn’t? i wonder sometimes.

i do assume Israel cares because why else would they warn civilians to try to separate themselves from terrorists.

And i assume hamas doesn’t care, because they intentionally target israeli citizens.

are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked?

Is Hamas laid down their arms, so would Israel. If Israel laid down their arms, Hamas would kill every single Israeli man, woman, and child.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214378)

maybe you do. but democrats as a group do not.

if i said 2+2=4, would you say no it doesn’t? i wonder sometimes.

i do assume Israel cares because why else would they warn civilians to try to separate themselves from terrorists.

And i assume hamas doesn’t care, because they intentionally target israeli citizens.

are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked?

Is Hamas laid down their arms, so would Israel. If Israel laid down their arms, Hamas would kill every single Israeli man, woman, and child.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214411)

Jim neither Hamas nor Israel would exist with out the fear of destruction

Both use fear of the other to justify their methods. From building settlements to firing rockets

I look at like positional asphyxia

Israel has it knee on the Palestinians cutting of their air and in response they increase their struggles trying to breath , then Israel apply s more force to gain compliance and all they get it. More struggling

And round and round it Goes


As for you question are you serious? Israel is shooosed to respond exactly proportionately when attacked? Quick response is yes In most incidents you use enough force to stop the threat. Not to punish.. but Israel has a history of collective punishment.. which always comes into question when there so much infrastructure destroyed.. cell phone and civilian warnings look good for public relations not sure how effective it is at keeping non combatants safe
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214419)

Man.

Which side has a history of unprovoked violent attack a against the other, and which one uses violence after being attacked?

if someone punches you in the face, and you punch them back, those two things are not morally equivalent. not even close.

hamas doesn’t deny their goal is to wipe israel out of existnce. Israel wants to be left alone. not that israel is perfect, but theres no comparison. it’s like comparing the Nazis to the Poles in the 1930s.

forget about what each party’s line is, and just think. for two seconds, take off the blinders .
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214431)

What blinders my view is based on historical actions from both sides

Neither has the high ground but neither is willing to provide concessions .. the West Bank and Gaza are not much different from Indian reservations . With The illusion of autonomy . until the one with the power Israel decides otherwise
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214448)

ok, if you rely on historical facts. please point to all
the historical occasions when israel killed palestinian terrorists without provocation.

one side absolutely has the moral ground. israel would stop fighting if hamas would. israel isn’t explicitly saying they want palestinians to cease to exist. what about that don’t you get?

once again, towing the party line, never any exceptions.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214463)

But when you become what you opposed .. in the name of past transgressions, it’s very hypocritical to me ..
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214463)

But when you become what you opposed .. in the name of past transgressions, it’s very hypocritical to me ..

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1214473)

are you calling Paul S and Got Strippers hypocrits?

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214487)

When the far right does a 180 they identify as Trumplicans

Morals don't count
"As a relatively young man, I remember a time in this great nation when those endowed with public trust and those that were elected to public office were held to a higher standard." R. Aderholt

We are the same as Russia
"To say that we and the Soviet Union are to be compared is the equivalent of saying that the man who pushes the old lady into the way of an oncoming bus and the man who pushes [her] out of the way … are both people who push old ladies around." Wm. Buckley

TFG promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.
When he took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion. In October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion. That's an increase of almost 36% in less than four years.

“I want you to use my words against me. If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination,”
Hmmm

"Donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave [my wife] the hell alone!" T. Cruz
Cucked

I could quote paragraphs on January 6th


But we will see, the mobs will always turn on their own and their movements inevitably collapse. It's just a matter of how much damage they do in the meantime.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214487)

When the far right does a 180 they identify as Trumplicans . . .

What does the far left identify as? Do they identify themselves as "the far left"? Does the "far right" identify themselves as "the far right"? Are those "far" groups as needy to label people as you? I think you have that in common with them (as you have in common with Trump).

But we will see, the mobs will always turn on their own and their movements inevitably collapse. It's just a matter of how much damage they do in the meantime.

Which is precisely the reason I vote against Progressives--how much damage they will do in the meantime.

I could quote paragraphs on January 6th

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214488)

Ok, a little exercise in hypocrisy here...

"TFG promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years."

I honestly didn't know he promised that. If he did, it was an insanely stupid thing to promise, and he absolutely deserves criticism for it.

Biden famously said this to a roomfull of blacks:

"Republicans want to put y'all back in chains".

Is that a more responsible thing to say, that what you criticize Trump for? The record shows, that Trump led the economy to an all-time record low of black unemployment, he increased funding for black colleges, and he strongly advocated criminal justice reform, which blacks have wanted for decades. Trump advocates for school choice, which would disproportionately help blacks. So, how accurate (and how unifying) was Biden's statement?

Guess you'll have to tell them, for some reason they don't trust TFG: About 87% of Black voters nationwide chose Biden over Trump, according to preliminary national exit polling. Those early exit polls show that 19% of Black men voted for Trump, as did 9% of Black women.

An Associated Press VoteCast survey showed overall larger Black support for Biden — 90%. According to the AP survey, 12% of Black men voted for Trump, while only 6% of Black women supported him.

Here's another Biden gem:

"I promise you if I'm elected president, you're going to see the single most important thing that changes America, we're gonna cure cancer,""

Now when Bidens term/terms are up, and cancer still exists, are you prepared to say he didn't live up to this promise? Or do you only care when Republicans break promises?

A few people as simple as you may have take hyperbole as truth, but it didn't kill anyone as opposed to this statement

“Wash your hands, stay clean. You don’t have to necessarily grab every handrail unless you have to,” TFG said, the room chuckling. “I mean, view this the same as the flu.”

How many dead?

Three weeks later, March 19, TFG acknowledged to Woodward: “To be honest with you, I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down. Because I don’t want to create a panic.”

"I could quote paragraphs on January 6th"

Yes you can. And I can match every one of your quotes, with a quote from a democrat defending the anti-police riots all last summer, which took a lot more lives, and did way more damage, than what happened on January 6.

And between 15 and 25 million more people participated in them, how many were there on January 6th?

The recent Black Lives Matter protests peaked on June 6, when half a million people turned out in nearly 550 places across the United States. That was a single day in more than a month of protests that still continue to today. 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks.

In the five years following the beginning of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement in 2014, census places that have had BLM protests experience a 15-20% decrease in police homicides – approximately 300 fewer deaths.

Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.

First, police made arrests in 5 percent of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5 percent of these events.

Protesters or bystanders were reported injured in 1.6 percent of the protests. In total, at least three Black Lives Matter protesters and one other person were killed while protesting in Omaha, Austin and Kenosha, Wis. One anti-fascist protester killed a far-right group member during a confrontation in Portland, Ore.; law enforcement killed the alleged assailant several days later.

Police were reported injured in 1 percent of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters. The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.

Only 3.7 percent of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.

In short, our data suggest that 96.3 percent of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7 percent of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police.


"“I want you to use my words against me. If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham"

Graham was a complete. 100% hypocrite on that issue, and deserves to be called out for it. Fair enough?

Pete, do you know what the "Biden rule" regarding SCOTUS is?

When Bush 41 was POTUS, Biden said a president should not make late-term appointments, and if he tried to do so, that the senate should block him.

Then, when Biden was VP and his administration had a late-term vacancy, he felt it was their duty to fill it.

Then, when Trump had a late-term vacancy, Biden said the potus should not fill it.

So Biden opposed late-term appointments, then supported them, then opposed them again.

So if Lindsey Graham is a hypocrite (which he 100% is), how can you deny that Biden also is?

You have fun trying to answer that.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1214492)

No doubt you could quote paragraphs on every day of the week. And every quote would imply something or other.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214499)

What, no Youtube video?

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214487)

When the far right does a 180 they identify as Trumplicans

Morals don't count
"As a relatively young man, I remember a time in this great nation when those endowed with public trust and those that were elected to public office were held to a higher standard." R. Aderholt

We are the same as Russia
"To say that we and the Soviet Union are to be compared is the equivalent of saying that the man who pushes the old lady into the way of an oncoming bus and the man who pushes [her] out of the way … are both people who push old ladies around." Wm. Buckley

TFG promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.
When he took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion. In October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion. That's an increase of almost 36% in less than four years.

“I want you to use my words against me. If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination,”
Hmmm

"Donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave [my wife] the hell alone!" T. Cruz
Cucked

I could quote paragraphs on January 6th


But we will see, the mobs will always turn on their own and their movements inevitably collapse. It's just a matter of how much damage they do in the meantime.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1214492)

No doubt you could quote paragraphs on every day of the week. And every quote would imply something or other.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214532)

FOX News slid all the way down from: George Will, Bill Kristol, Nina Easton, Krauthammer, Jonah Goldberg, to: Ben Domenech, Tucker Carlson, Dan Bongino, Kayleigh McEneny, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. That first group, even if you disagree with them politically, at least were the real deal.

And one would think this is from a future history text, not an aging science fiction book: “The United States had become a place where entertainers ... were mistaken for people of importance. They were idolized and treated as leaders; their opinions were sought on everything and they took themselves just as seriously."

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214532)

FOX News slid all the way down from: George Will, Bill Kristol, Nina Easton, Krauthammer, Jonah Goldberg, to: Ben Domenech, Tucker Carlson, Dan Bongino, Kayleigh McEneny, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. That first group, even if you disagree with them politically, at least were the real deal.

And one would think this is from a future history text, not an aging science fiction book: “The United States had become a place where entertainers ... were mistaken for people of importance. They were idolized and treated as leaders; their opinions were sought on everything and they took themselves just as seriously."

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214465)

ok. so you’re comparing Israel to nazi germany. you stink at this. No jim I am suggesting the Jew were oppressed but oppression has many forms .. you don't need gas chambers of slave labor.... to be The oppressor

and MANY historians say jews were there first, a LONG time ago. And indians were here before americans So they should get it Back you are to simplistic in your world view it lacks Nuance
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214540)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-israel-party/

l...
religion makes poor policy

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214537)

Pete, we all see that you completely ignored my questions about Biden flip-flopping regarding late-term SCOTUS appointments.

You criticized Graham for flip-flopping, and I agreed with you, because you were obviously correct.

But hen I pointed out Biden taking 3 different positions on late-term SCOTUS appointments, and you won't comment.

Why? Why does it only bother you when Republicans do it?

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214546)

I didn't say that, did I?

Why do you think that I need to flip out like you over every political statement that has been made, or even care? I can look at the big picture, a body of work and make a judgement call. So did most Americans in the last election.

And by the way, you still missed these

Morals don't count
"As a relatively young man, I remember a time in this great nation when those endowed with public trust and those that were elected to public office were held to a higher standard." R. Aderholt

We are the same as Russia
"To say that we and the Soviet Union are to be compared is the equivalent of saying that the man who pushes the old lady into the way of an oncoming bus and the man who pushes [her] out of the way … are both people who push old ladies around." Wm. Buckley

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214547)

"I didn't say that, did I"

Why else did you post that Lyndsay Graham said that Trump shouldn't make a SCOTUS appointment late in his term?

And you very explicitly called out the GOP for doing 180s. Did you forget?

"Why do you think that I need to flip out like you over every political statement that has been made"

This from the guy banned from starting threads, by the most middle-ground guy on here, because we were all worried about your frequency of flip outs.

You point out republican hypocrisy. Not only did I not flip out, I agreed with you. I asked you to comment on democrat hypocrisy, and all of a sudden its a character flaw to ask about one sides hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1214546)

I didn't say that, did I?

Why do you think that I need to flip out lBuckley

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214554)

no, you never do that.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214544)

Religion is the reason behind the anti-slavery movement in the country (which democrats fought a war over to keep).

Religion is the reason behind the anti-segregation movement in the country (which democrats fought to sustain).

Religion is the reason why the pilgrims came here, and it's very very obviously at the root of all of our freedoms and founding philosophies.

Islam makes bad policy. Moderate judeo-Christian principles? Come on.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214562)

Jim please speak in terms of recent history ..

The GOP love affair with Israel is new to the political landscape .. q google search it all there

Hell Republicans and many others won’t vote for a catholic because they think they will have allegiance to the pope not the nation
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214544)

Religion is the reason behind the anti-slavery movement in the country (which democrats fought a war over to keep).

Religion is the reason behind the anti-segregation movement in the country (which democrats fought to sustain).

Religion is the reason why the pilgrims came here, and it's very very obviously at the root of all of our freedoms and founding philosophies.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1214565)

This is perhaps the most historically ignorant post Jim has ever made.

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1214573)

Kamala is doing a fabulous job securing the border...

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1214575)

What's 16,000 Haitians entering Del Rio Texas in one long chain over a weekend? Will you quit being such a perfectionist!

A constant chain of thousands of Haitians crossed the river into Texas. They were able to cross for hours and hours in a continuous flow. No one stopped them.

I remember several years ago, a young congressional candidate wanted to show how open the border was, he went to Mexico, rented an elephant and a mariachi band, and rode the elephant across the border, with the mariachi band marching next to him, playing music. True story. But we don't have an open border.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1214588)

Jim you story is from 2006. Guess who was POTUS. GW Bush Open borders! talk about being a parrot .

You want mine fields?

Such transfers will continue "in order to ensure that irregular migrants are swiftly taken into custody, processed, and removed from the United States consistent with our laws and policy," DHS said in a statement.


But the usual suspects think the above isn’t happening .. following the law that’s to outrageous
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