kamala said democracy is a threat to our democacy...and we are a republic by the way

this sounds authoritarian

Venezuela is accepting applications...

yet after 4 years of trump ( maybe the biggest jerk to ever be POTUS), a record 58% of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, than they were before. and that was during the pandemic.

a record number of americans liked his policies. gallup does that poll every 4 years, and no president ever, had more americans say they were better off than 4 years ago.

what’s impressive about that, is that things were pretty good at the end of obama’s second term, it’s not like trump inherited a great depression, where anyone could make improvements. yet a record number of americans said trump made things better, even though he inherited a good starting place.

Trump is an in obnoxious, vindictive, world class narcissist. But the fact is, Americans liked his policies. They didn’t like him personally, but they liked his policies.
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That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

as opposed to saying republicans are a bunch of idiots. no snark there.
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But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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good grief......

hilarious jim defend Jan 6th with why people are moving to reds states AGAIN

Officials in Arizona’s Maricopa County are using the anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection to once again push back on claims of election fraud there that many Republicans believe helped Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential race.

"We're done. This is the end of the 2020 election. We have addressed the issues; we have debunked them,” said Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

omg say it ain't so the damn RINOS are everywhere

january 6 has nothing to do with people moving to red states. never said they were related. i said the migration to red states, indicates that many americans think conservatives have some good ideas. that’s not reasonable?

wayne, you said this week, that people don’t move to red states because of politics, but they move for low taxes. You see no connection between politics and taxes. that’s about the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard. i’ve never said anything close to that stupid.

you also dismissed stacey abrams saying her election was stolen, because she said it to ted cruz. you couldn’t explain why it matters who she was speaking to.

worry about you, don’t worry about me.

i hate what conservatives did on january 6. i hate it because (1) i hate all riots, and (2) it was the first politically motivated riot i can think of, done by the right. up until
then, i could claim that only liberals resorted to rioting when they didn’t get their way. now i can’t ever say that again.
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Well…trump got like 74 million votes…..and there have been about 700 arrests for bad behavior…no shots fired and mostly for trespassing and parading….you can do the math….I haven’t heard anyone condone the behavior so I don’t know that you can throw such a large blanket…..it was a relatively small number of knuckleheads in reality. It will be fun to find out how many people the FBI had involved to inspire bad behavior. Not that it would be an excuse but truly awful reflection and yet not unprecedented for that agency
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i’m not saying most conservatives were there rioting. but most of the rioters were conservatives

it’s the first and only politically motivated riot, started by my side. i liked being able to rightly claim that only liberals did that. now i can’t claim it.

liberals ignored every single
liberal riot that’s ever happened, and will fixate on the one conservative riot until the 2024 elections at least .

liberals complain that too many conservatives believe the election was stolen !( too many believe that in my opinion), but they don’t care that most liberals believe conservatives are racist, and only care about the wealthy, despite there being no evidence of that.

stupid, dim people on either side, will believe what they’re told and what makes them feel validated. plenty of that here. republicans are racist and only care about the wealthy! trumps tax cuts only helped the wealthy! the Steele
dossier is irrefutable fact! JohnMcCain is a racist! Pro life people hate women! republicans want to return to slavery! Brett Kavanaugh is a serial rapist!

Anything to avoid talking about the issues, anything to avoid talking about what works and what doesn’t work.

I’m coming around to the idea that you cannot be liberal on most issues, if you’re a results-oriented person.
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Collapse of Weimar in Germany. Rise of Mussolini in Italy. Stalin's post-Lenin purges. Read a little history on how dictatorships rise. The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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I’m not sure where you get your news from, but Trumps attempt to
undermine the 2020 election, was in fact stopped. Biden is president.

We under reacted to
january 6th? Should we send all
the trespassers to Guantanamo
Bay?
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She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles - not the vote on election day. But you knew that bc you have been told that repeatedly. So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?

Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not. They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

it was more like this without the swords

define "failed states"....

"You're the Kool aid drinker who thinks people are only moving bc of politics and you say it here constantly. "

I don't think I've said that once. I think you're hearing voices. It's not just for politics. OK? It's not just for politics.

If it was just weather, why wouldn't they move to southern California? How come none of you will ever answer that simple question?

People move for many reasons. But the general trend, is moving from blue states to red states. Blue states are very, very expensive. Red states generally aren't. That's a function of politics. Liberals like big government, which is expensive.

"Are you saying that the protesters were all Ds? "

I don't know which riots you are referring to. In the summer of 2020, the rioters were almost all Ds. On January 6th, the rioters were almost all Rs. Fair enough? Anything crazy there?

"There were many, many millions of peaceful protestors last summer and I bet the % of people causing trouble was less than the % on 1/6."

That's a wild guess. What's not a guess, is that the January 6 riots resulted in many less deaths (precisely zero caused by the rioters) and in far less property damage, than the summer 2020 riots. Is that true, or is that false?

"that shows how many on the right care about social justice - NONE."

Gibberish.

Paul, most republicans condemn what happened on 1/6, most liberals won't condemn the summer 2020 riots.

"She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles"

Every single one of whom, was eligible to vote if they showed up with id. The data shows that turnout in that election was historically high. "High turnout" means lots of voters. And she lost.

From the USA Today, which is liberal, and I quote...

"the holds would not have stopped those Georgians from voting. All the person had to do is show up with their photo ID, which everyone has to have, and they would've been allowed to vote," he said

What else ya got, Paul?

"So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?"

Have you seen a poll that shows what % of democrats think Abrams' election was stolen? I haven't. So I don't know which party has a higher % or folks who believe without facts, that an election they lost, was stolen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ce/6318836002/

One year ago, the storming of the U.S. Capitol marked a final, violent attempt to subvert a national election after earlier efforts by the former president and his allies had failed.

Those efforts principally sought to nullify states’ election results by filing dozens of lawsuits predicated on fictitious claims; coercing and possibly criminally soliciting state and local officials to commit election fraud; attempting to enlist the Justice Department in a campaign to overturn results; urging state lawmakers to “decertify” results themselves; pressuring the then-vice president to delay or block the counting of electoral votes by Congress; and petitioning the Supreme Court to delay certification in the event the vice president would not. As the Jan. 6 certification approached, the former president assessed how he might declare martial law in order to seize voting machines and “redo” the election. Then, he and allies incited a violent mob to ransack the Capitol. Threading these efforts together was the Big Lie: the former president’s Orwellian claim that others had in fact corrupted the election, and that he was its victim.

Pursuing accountability generates all sorts of risks, but avoiding accountability is riskier still. In light of the consequences otherwise, the pursuit of accountability for serious wrongdoing must be a given.
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are you going to spend the next four years insisting trump needs to go to jail for this now? since, despite your best efforts, you have failed for the last 5


you know he's going to run and win in 2024....it will be fun to see your reaction:jester:

tents are nice...people love camping...not a sign of failure at all

Ok. SO the democrats who asked the electors in 2016 not to vote for Trump, and the democrats in Congress who voted to contest election results in a few states with zero evidence of wrongdoing (some of them are still in Congress)...where is their accountability, Pete?

If avoiding accountability is such an existential threat, how come you've never called for any of them top be accountable? What they tried to do, was undermine a free and fair election, because they didn't win. That's EXACTLY what Trump tried to do.

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.

I wonder what they would be saying about the promised nationwide riots if trump had won...never mind...been there done that, we know the answer :hihi:

"Calif. is packed w/people"

You got a poll that shows that people choose FL over CA because of population density? Or are you making up anything you can that avoids the truth?

"If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not."

I never said all red states are good states. But if politics had nothing to do with it, people would be moving equally to red states and blue states. If yuo look at the states where most people are moving to, they are disproportionately red.

I think 7 House Ds objected to the 2016 election. 147 R objected to the 2020 election. There never where any D plans to decertify any states elections and flip the electorial votes like the Rs tried to do. So even an actuary should know is a difference of magnitude bt the 2 or are you trying to be dishonest by equating 2 things which are of different magnitude?

Do you have any polls that show people choose Fl over CA bc of politics or are you trying to avoid the truth?

"I think 7 House Ds objected to the 2016 election. 147 R objected to the 2020 election"

Correct. The house Ds objected to multiple states, I think the Rs in 2020 only objected to PA? Is that correct? I may be wrong.

"There never where any D plans to decertify any states elections and flip the electorial votes like the Rs tried to do"

Please explain. If the Rs only objected to PA (maybe I'm completely wrong about that?), even if PA switched, that wouldn't have changed the election.

You're very conveniently ignoring that some democrats asked the electors to not vote for Trump. That was an attempt to get someone else elected.

Some of you have said that Trumps crime was undermining public confidence in our elections. How did the democrats who voted to object, not cause the public to lose confidence in our elections?

And why do democrats (if they think democracy is good) use superdelegates in their primaries? The superdelegates exist for one reason only - to un-do the will of the people, if the kingmakers wish to do so.

Paul, I'm admitting that what Trump did was awful, and I desperately don't want him to run again. But none of you, not one, can find any fault with a single thing the democrats did after the 2016 election, nor can you condemn the 2020 riots. Because nothing can be wrong when democrats do it. Rioting, trying to undermine election results you don't like, making false claims of election fraud - those things only matter when republicans do them.

how many private American citizens felt terrorized, physically endangered or their businesses' threatened by the activities during the summer of love? and how many felt the same during the three hours of irrational exuberance at the capitol? that's the difference, the drama queens here and on msnbc, cnn and the dem politicians can scream at the sky, but most people don't care or have forgotten about it...they just know biden sucks right now

Edit - and to me it isn't about Trump as much as the others who are afraid to call him out on his lies. There are very few Rs congressman who admit he lost.

And from an article today (2 undermining confidence in our elected officials):

On the show, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, one of Mr. Trump’s top former advisers, Representatives Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene laid responsibility on Democrats, the Capitol Police, the federal government and others.

The idea that people other than Mr. Trump’s own supporters were responsible for the violence that day has become a popular conspiracy theory among the far right. There is no evidence that undercover agents or other outsiders played a role in the attack and fact checkers have worked to debunk similar claims aired on Fox News. The pair of lawmakers offered little evidence for their claims during the show.

Mr. Gaetz, a Florida Republican, repeated some of the unfounded claims on Thursday, including that the government and police tried to set up the protesters.

“We’re here to get to the truth behind Jan. 6, the federal government’s own involvement with it,” Mr. Gaetz said in his hourlong interview on “Bannon’s War Room.”

Remember, long before he was a judge, Merrick Garland prosecuted the Oklahoma City bombing and the Atlanta Olympics bombing — and earned a rep of being silent, methodical, and deadly effective.
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"From what I remember they didn't want to change the election to Clinton - it was more they objected to Trump being elected"

True, thats correct. But Trump won fair and square, so where in the Constitution does it say they can try to change the results when they're sufficiently disappointed? They didn't like the result, so they tried to overturn it and get someone in they liked more. Wcich is what Trump tried to do.

"Different degree of magnitude."

How about putting kids in cages - fine when Obama did it. a crime against humanity when Trump did it.

Same with being opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons - fine when Obama and Hilary say it (didn't stop Obama from wining the Nobel Peace Prize), but when a Republican says it, they are hounded out of business, denied a chance to make a living.

I wonder if it means a lot less to most of America than it means to liberals right now. I wonder if people have shrugged it off.

may the force be with you....

pretty sure when joe was rambling about some battle between democracy and autocracy going on in his head, most American's were just worried about their most recent oil bill and their kid's school shutting down again...

do you think he knows he's president?...it's hard to tell sometimes...

do you think he runs again? I have no idea. He may be their best shot, it's stunning to me, how weak their bench is. The only formidable one is Michelle Obama, who I don't think could be beaten by anyone, I just hope she doesn't want it.

You want Trump to run again? I really don't. I keep hoping Condi Rice will step up, she'd be so great. I'll settle for Desantis, who seems like a guy who will govern like Trump without the ethical lapses. Doesn't let people dump all over him like Bush/McCain/Romney, but isn't a baby like Trump.

A striking image of the event shows both Cheneys on the front row of the Republican side of the nearly empty floor. Republicans have sought to downplay the severity of the attack that left many lawmakers fearing for their lives and having to flee for their safety. The GOP has in large part declined to participate in the day’s events.



Jim and scott and other keep making excuses

Mike Lindell says he'll be one of the opening acts at Trump's January 15 rally in Arizona, expects '60,000 people' to show up

can't wait

guess they never said any of it