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RIJIMMY 08-16-2011 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 880449)
Yeah TDF, what would you do with sposorships and appearance fees,speaking engagements,etc. that go with IGFA validity?He should have put it back I guess.Skip the potential new boat and stay locked on S-B with all of your internet buddies debating how a flag should be displayed.Anonymity is good.
TDFs comments were aimed at Rizzo who was saying he wont believe it unless its cut open. I believe (and shouldnt speak for him) that DadF is agreeing with you. Its Myerson and the IFGAs thing to work out and they will not be concerned with what some people on the web may say.
Now relax and have a cupcake.

TheSpecialist 08-16-2011 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rizzo (Post 880262)
But all this stuff still means nothing if the fish isnt opened up and reweighed. The taxidermist will probably find nothing in the fish, but what does the fish weigh if theres nothing in it?
All this talk about reweighing a fish that probably has lost more weight already, question does anyone know if McReynolds had to or did have his fish opened up?

TheSpecialist 08-16-2011 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rizzo (Post 880348)
I will forever doubt it, unless the fish is gutted and checked. I dont know the angler, scale operator and most people on this board, so why would I trust random peoples judgment on it? So what if it was weighed on a certified scale, it could have been stuffed? Gut it at the taxidermist, see whats in there. Reweigh the entire fish and contents on a certified scale and see what you get. If the fish is around 80 pounds still, the record can solidly be confirmed. If the fish comes in at 50, it was a cheat as 30 pounds are missing from the equation.

This has nothing to do with jealousy, discredit or whatever. Its just common sense from my point of view, and I will never believe its true until its is actually proven true. So what if IGFA certifies it based on "the story" or looking at the outside of the fish? The fishing world is full of BS stories, exageration, blah blah - you really have to prove it true. If they can prove it true, yeah I couldnt be happier for the guy. Its cool to see the record go to someone who fishes all the time and can appreciate the accomplishment.

My opinion is that you gotta fish for yourself. If you try to "keep up with the Jones" you'll always be left miserable and empty.

In that case let's throw out the whole IGFA record book, hire some people you do know and start over.... :stir:

The Dad Fisherman 08-16-2011 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 880449)
Yeah TDF, what would you do with sposorships and appearance fees,speaking engagements,etc. that go with IGFA validity?He should have put it back I guess.Skip the potential new boat and stay locked on S-B with all of your internet buddies debating how a flag should be displayed.Anonymity is good.
WOW....talk about totally mis-understanding what I wrote...unless you just want to argue for some reason. (that is so unlike you :rolleyes:)

My Point was.... If it were me I really wouldn't care that someone, that I don't know or never met, didn't believe me.....what does that matter to me.....I'd go for the record from IGFA and If I know what I did was right.....and they say I did it right....I'm not going to lose any skleep over some anonymous person doubting me.

You don't know me.....and I think you are an ass....do you care.....I'm thinking no.

now if a bunch of my flag-waving internet buddies also think you're an ass....well then that might be different.....then again probably not.

The Dad Fisherman 08-16-2011 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 880461)
TDFs comments were aimed at Rizzo who was saying he wont believe it unless its cut open. I believe (and shouldnt speak for him) that DadF is agreeing with you. Its Myerson and the IFGAs thing to work out and they will not be concerned with what some people on the web may say.
Now relax and have a cupcake.

pretty much....although I wasn't really aiming it at Rizzo....I was really just trying to generalize it.

rizzo 08-16-2011 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by clambelly (Post 880415)
what reasons have you seen that prove it to be false?
The one thing that is definitely not proving it true is that the fish was not gutted and opened up. I can't understand why everyone is arguing that this isnt a big deal. Its the key to the whole story. I can't be any more clear about it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Thats mine and I feel very strongly about it.

The certification and recertification of the scale, witnesses, pictures, ect. are all meaningless in that none can prove or verfiy the fish wasn't stuffed. How can you argue that?

rizzo 08-16-2011 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 880474)
All this talk about reweighing a fish that probably has lost more weight already, question does anyone know if McReynolds had to or did have his fish opened up?
Thats the beauty of this whole situation. Too late to prove anything now... unless it was gutted on the spot.

Nebe 08-16-2011 03:54 PM
I read on SOL that it had a starfish in its gut

RIJIMMY 08-16-2011 03:57 PM
No, but its ifga's process and ifga's record. You have problem with their process. I can understsnd that but all their records have been consistently verified and on your view, all flawed
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WoodyCT 08-16-2011 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CowHunter (Post 880451)
He caught a 61 in June, and then wieghed in a 61 a few days ago, on Aug 12.
When is enough enough?

Please leave some for future generations Mr. Heman Fishkiller.

:-((
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CowHunter 08-16-2011 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 880474)
All this talk about reweighing a fish that probably has lost more weight already, question does anyone know if McReynolds had to or did have his fish opened up?
Als fish was on display all day at a tackle shop for all to see, I Have a very good friend that saw the fish. The fish was cut and inspected but that is because berkely or some other manufacturer required that for $$$.

tattoobob 08-16-2011 05:08 PM
Here are a few photo's of the fish, You may have already seen them

Exclusive Photos: New Pending World Record Striped Bass! | Field & Stream

rizzo 08-16-2011 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 880491)
No, but its ifga's process and ifga's record. You have problem with their process. I can understsnd that but all their records have been consistently verified and on your view, all flawed
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Yeah - nothing against IGFA, they're recognized as the record authority, have a lot of experience handling situations like these. Thats just a flaw I see, especially when you're talking heaviest fish on record. The bigger tourneys that have to deal with big $$$ your subject to a lie detector test. I guess that if someone even provided a fish that hasn't been tampered with, its supposed to determine if you netted the fish or caught it before the tourney started. But lie detectors arent perfect...

I'd like to see the gutting be added to catches like this - but its not easy to make this change happen. I know many guys on this board are fine with the credibility of the catch, but i know just as many who do not believe it. It would really help someone gain credibility in this case.

As far as IGFA line class records go, thats a different discussion... :conf:

Nebe 08-16-2011 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CowHunter (Post 880498)
Als fish was on display all day at a tackle shop for all to see, I Have a very good friend that saw the fish. The fish was cut and inspected but that is because berkely or some other manufacturer required that for $$$.
Actually, it was x-rayed so that Al could collect prize money from Ande... acording to our wise silverback Mike P...

Mike P 08-16-2011 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 880519)
Actually, it was x-rayed so that Al could collect prize money from Ande... acording to our wise silverback Mike P...
Uh, no, I corrected the guy who said it was Ande. It was actually the old Garcia company, the one from Fairfield, NJ that imported Mitchell reels. ;) He's the one who started the X-ray argument. He implied that Al's fish had to be X-rayed to be accepted as the record--when I pressed him on it, he said it was to collect the reward.

If Ande offered rewards for world records caught on Ande line, we'd have all been fishing Stren--Ande would have gone bankrupt.

Nebe 08-16-2011 06:19 PM
hahaha.. well there you go then. :)

Sea Dangles 08-16-2011 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 880480)
WOW....talk about totally mis-understanding what I wrote...unless you just want to argue for some reason. (that is so unlike you :rolleyes:)

My Point was.... If it were me I really wouldn't care that someone, that I don't know or never met, didn't believe me.....what does that matter to me.....I'd go for the record from IGFA and If I know what I did was right.....and they say I did it right....I'm not going to lose any skleep over some anonymous person doubting me.

You don't know me.....and I think you are an ass....do you care.....I'm thinking no.

now if a bunch of my flag-waving internet buddies also think you're an ass....well then that might be different.....then again probably not.
Proof that people usually will resort to name calling when their debate has no merit.Well done wordsmith!

tattoobob 08-16-2011 07:45 PM
I wish you 2 would kiss and make up

Slipknot 08-16-2011 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CowHunter (Post 880460)
I know you may think otherwise but I did not make a single complaint to OTW prior to this WR Fish, I know there were quite a few complaints by others.

I take your word for it , but you certainly did stir the pot :stir:
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...iped-bass.html

I also do see your point but it seems to come from your perspective. ya have to weigh everything, not just the negatives.

this thread = :deadhorse:

WoodyCT 08-16-2011 09:36 PM
Dangles- Please elaborate on how OTW 'maligned' Myerson.
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Nebe 08-16-2011 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 880566)
I take your word for it , but you certainly did stir the pot :stir:
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...iped-bass.html

I also do see your point but it seems to come from your perspective. ya have to weigh everything, not just the negatives.

this thread = :deadhorse:
everyone should look at that link... :rtfm:

The Dad Fisherman 08-17-2011 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WoodyCT (Post 880575)
Dangles- Please elaborate on how OTW 'maligned' Myerson.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
It was on his Word-a-Day calendar......

The Dad Fisherman 08-17-2011 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 880548)
Proof that people usually will resort to name calling when their debate has no merit.Well done wordsmith!
Did I miss something.....what were we debating?

I thought a debate was when two people take opposing sides of an argument.:huh:

I was on the same side as you.......but in the Magic mind of Dangles you just saw it as another opportunity to start some Internet Chit......You are a piece of work sometimes....you really are.

I guess that since the usual cast of characters that you like to "Internet Box" with aren't arguing with you these days...its my turn.

Hey, Guess what...just proves my point...

I don't Know You, Never met you.....and I really don't give a rats ass what you think.....I won't lose any sleep over it

Ironic......

Sea Dangles 08-17-2011 06:04 AM
I'll pay for the room if you take the bottom sweetie.

fatcow 08-17-2011 06:12 AM
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fatcow 08-17-2011 06:13 AM
Whats up with the DRAMA
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The Dad Fisherman 08-17-2011 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 880603)
I'll pay for the room if you take the bottom sweetie.
No Thanx....I try and avoid Crazy Chicks at all costs...they are usually needy and nothing but trouble.

I'm thinking you got a little "Snookie" in you....

Sea Dangles 08-17-2011 06:24 AM
Then stop leading with your chin, you never know what might get on it.
But you would probably enjoy that.

The Dad Fisherman 08-17-2011 06:37 AM
Gave up Baby food a long time ago....

bassballer 08-17-2011 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 880490)
I read on SOL that it had a starfish in its gut
:rotf2::rotf2:


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