then follow the prescribed steps to
amend the constitution, or live with it.

it’s not the only way republicans can win. but republicans have ( in the past few elections) done a better job of figuring out how to campaign effectively to reflect the realities of the electoral college. Hilary spent all
her time in NY and CA and ignored the midwest. Whose fault is that? If she’s too stupid to grasp what the electoral college does, she’s probably not smart enough to be potus

The GOP campaigns the way it does specifically because of electoral realities. democrats haven’t responded as well to electoral realities because elites don’t like the unwashed losers in flyover country.

all democrats have to do, to do better with the electoral college, is spend time in the middle of the country and make their case to those people. When all you do is hang with the swells on both coasts, you run the risk of losing because of electoral math.
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Counting some people as 3/5ths of a person is in the original Constitution, are we now not allowed to amend the Constitution, or do you think Democrats have magical powers?

You don’t need to project your sick fantasies on me or anyone else. Every single human being goes to the bathroom, if you find it sexually exciting that’s on you.

McConnell played plenty of games within the rules and outside the conventional boundaries.

We have currently have two parties.

One is anti-democracy, anti-truth, and anti-rule of law.

The other is sometimes inept and foolish, with some fringe illiberal elements--but basically committed to the institutions and norms of liberal democracy and a free society.

It's not a tough choice.

then follow the prescribed steps to
amend the constitution, or live with it.

Seems Republicans should take your advice. And stop trying to steal elections via gerrymandering restrictions on voting voting in election deniers and actually trying to steal the last election.

Ps Congress may submit a proposed constitutional amendment to the states, if the proposed amendment language is approved by a two-thirds vote of both houses.

But we all ready know why republicans will all vote no
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Just saw an interview with chad wolf couldn’t admit Biden won the election fair and square

Then went on to say Americans don’t trust the election system.

No kidding thats whathappens when you and the POTUS lie 24x7 about election fraud So Republicans think the election was stolen

And Dem don’t Trust republicans as honest stewards of our national elections . Seeing their leader just actually tried to steal the election . And refuse to admit that’s what happened



He refused
To admit fraud played no part in Biden’s win

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81,282,916 votes for the worst candidate in American presidential history....yeah, probably nothing to see there :rotf2:

maybe we should waterboard him until he admits what you want him to admit....I'm sure we could justify it under "threat to democracy" :)

74,223,369 for a dreadful incumbent POTUS candidate, so yea, just the choice between rock and hard place + a lot of anti-trump enthusiasm driving people to the polls....

:doh:.....

trump is a dreadful
human being without question.

his policies? he broke the record in the pill gallup does every 4 years during presidential elections, where they ask americans if they feel better off after 4 years of the incumbent. In the summer of 2020, at the height of the pandemic, more
americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, than for
any other president in the history of the poll.

America hated trump. But they liked his policies. This is why the left hates and is terrified of Desantis. The upside of trump without the downside ( very few have trumps downside).
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if you think about it, it actually worked out pretty good,....if trump had won, democrats would still be burning down cities and destroying innocent people's lives in their anger....with dark brandon pulling out the most remarkable victory of all time...we just got a couple hours of mayhem at the Capitol

You are right. That poll stated that, but the same time, Gallup had his approval rating at 44%.

Trump rode in on a wave of good stock market trends (which continued), good unemployment trends (which continued) and a host of other economic indicators. I think most Americans would say they were better off economically, but most also (correctly) probably didn't attribute to Trump.

Wow you are farther down the rabbit hole than I thought. Seek help
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America hated trump. But they liked his policies.

No they didn’t just another right wing fantasy
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fine. then explain why he has the all-time record in that gallup poll. otherwise you have no idea why you’re saying what you’re saying.


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how long had liberals been asking for criminal justice reform? and why didn’t obama deliver it when the democrats controlled both the house and the senate?

It took Trump to do it. That was one policy i personally hated ( i don’t think high level drug dealers are ever non violent criminals), but he even delivered for the left. not that you could ever admit it.

he knew how to deliver. He’s just hard wired to be a vindictive, lying, narcissistic baby.
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Pete, MSNBC,CNN,ABC,CBS,NBC,NPR,NYTIMES,WASHPO..etc...et c........
dedicated 24 hours a day/7days a week for I guess six plus years now telling America how and why to hate trump(some true, much untrue)......probably not reflected in any of the polls.....:huh::laugha:

practically a "cult" of hate.....

correct. you’re proving my point, not refuting it. america liked his policies, they just hated him
personally.
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ok. so trump didnt do anything different with the economy , he just sat back and rode the obama wave? THATS what you’re saying?

He didn’t cut personal taxes, annihilate corporate income taxes, eliminate what he thought were wasteful regulations, he didn’t fund economic opportunity zones in struggling urban areas, he didn’t incentivize companies to bring back massive sums of cash that were overseas? he didn’tdo any of that?

Et tu Bryan? Et tu? I thought you were the one single lefty here who was pretty honest, even about things that didn’t specifically serve your agenda.

Some scientist you are.

Here’s what happened. Trump obviously inherited a roaring economy. Then he did the things he did, which had the effect of pouring gasoline on the economic fire. Whether you happen to like it or not, that’s what happened. He did things very differently from obama, and it worked until we voluntarily chose to shut the economy down.

TDS claims another.
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this is accurate....and now Biden is doing all these great things that actually flowed from obama, somehow survived trump..... and now Americans are happier than ever again...lalalala....if we can just prevent the fascists from destroying our democracy:lasso:

He’s a pathological liar, according to Republican Ted Cruz.

He’s a fake, a fraud, and a con-man, according to Republican Mitt Romney.

He convinced 81 percent of white evangelical Christian voters to throw Jesus under the bus to vote for a man who bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy.”

He fired the acting Attorney General in a Monday Night Massacre because she determined that the president’s executive order on immigration was constitutionally indefensible.

He’s created an environment in which a southern white man can shut down a northeastern white woman while she’s reading from the floor of the Senate the cautionary words of a heroic southern black woman about a southern white man, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, who was deemed too racist to be a federal judge in 1986.

He disrespects duly-appointed, Senate-confirmed federal magistrates: “so-called judges.”

He’s offended our friends and allies, treating the Mexican and Australian governments in much the same way he’s treated John McCain and Megyn Kelly and a disabled reporter and Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz and the Gold Star Khan Family and Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and Rosie O’Donnell.

He hasn’t, as far as we know, paid federal income taxes in years, bragging that it’s smart on his part — meaning it’s dumb on our part to do so, thereby undermining citizen investment in shared governance. Nor has he released federal tax returns, as other presidential candidates have for the last 40 years.

His wife in New York City, his weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago, and his gallivanting children are costing us a fortune.

He’s sloppy with national security. Proof: Michael Flynn.

He’s given us a Secretary of Education who was born into and married into a billionaire family, has never attended a public school or taught in a public school, never taken out a student loan or applied for a Pell Grant, or even much supported our public schools.

He nominated a labor secretary (now withdrawn) who took advantage of an undocumented worker, pays his fast-food employees a #^&#^&#^&#^&ty wage, and wants to replace humans with robots because they don’t take vacation days.

He’s put together an administration of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy.

He’s not kept his campaign promise to release documents and even hold a press conference to prove that the third Mrs. Trump never worked in the US illegally. (We know she lied about having a college degree and — knowingly or not — plagiarized part of Michelle Obama’s DNC speech.)

He said he’d negotiate lower drug prices from pharmaceutical companies. Now he says he won’t — but will give big pharma tax breaks and lift certain regulations on their industry.

He turned the nomination of a Supreme Court justice into the finale of a prime-time reality-show.

He knows little about the history of the United States, about our constitutional system, or about our institutions of government.

He has left millions of Americans who acquired health insurance via the ACA worried sick that this great benefit will be stripped from them.

His closest advisers have added to the chaos of the first weeks of the new administration: Kellyanne Conway and her universe of “alternative facts” — like the Bowling Green Massacre; Steve Bannon, who wants to play war with our military; Stephen Miller, who yells at the American people that the president’s views “will not be questioned!”; and Sean Spicer, period.

He uses Twitter to harangue and berate and demean individuals and journalists and companies that question his infallibility.

He’s rattled and incoherent, unfit and unqualified and unstable.

He uses fear and anxiety to bring out the worst impulses that lurk just beneath the surface to pimp for votes and deepen the crevasse between his America and the rest of us.

He has not drained the swamp, as he promised. It’s deeper. It’s wider. It’s even more dangerous.

The Russians. The Russians. The Russians.

Conservative Republicans would have crucified our former philosopher-president, Barack Obama, for behavior that even resembled that of our schoolyard bully president, Donald Trump. Where is their outrage now? President Turmp is not making America great again. He’s making America ugly again. But Republicans, who created this president in their laboratory of anger and resentment, will use President Trump as long as he’ll sign his John Hancock to their legislation.

I think this is why you don't have any friends on this site (maybe you can go fishing w/Scott).

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#^&#^&#^&#^& off with the insults. I didn't come at you with 'some actuary you are' This could have been a good discussion and you turn it to this. I mostly stay out of this cesspool circle jerk you guys engage in daily, made the mistake of turning it on because it was raining and didn't walk the dog before work... My mistake. Glad leach block will engage and lock me out of these for the rest of the work day :-) Have a good day everyone.:hidin:

"He convinced 81 percent of white evangelical Christian voters to throw Jesus under the bus to vote for a man who bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy.”"

(1) Trump almost single-handedly got Roe overturned. If you ignore his personal ethics and focus on his policies (which is precisely what democrats expected America to do for the 8 years Bill Clinton was president), Trump delivered more to the Christian right than any president in American history, and it's not even close. He got Roe overturned.

And your concern about vulgarity is noble, but begs the question of why Bill Clinton is an absolute hero on the left to this day. The left's demand for personal morality in the POTUS therefore appears to be quite selective.

"He turned the nomination of a Supreme Court justice into the finale of a prime-time reality-show."

Democrats did that with Bork. That was when it stopped being civilized. Sorry, they changed the rules when it suited them, then they expect the GOP to play by the old rules? You can't fight with brass knuckles and ask your opponent to fight with velvet gloves. That's not how it works. I mean, that worked very well for democrats for several years, Trump put a permanent stop to that.

It was then-Senator Joe Biden, who said that the opposition party in the Senate, should block a sitting president near the end of his term, from appointing a supreme court judge. They called it "the Biden Rule". Why was it OK for Biden, but awful for Mitch McConnell? Can you explain that please?

You don't like anything Trump says or does, no matter what it is, we get it. That doesn't explain why he has the all time record in Gallups poll.

Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett aren't serious legal minds? They're reality show freaks? But Sonya Sotomayor, who explicitly said that female latina judges make superior judges, that's OK, that's not racist and sexist? Whatever you say Paul.

"He’s rattled and incoherent"

And Trumps successor is what? ARticulate and cogent and persuasive?

"He’s a pathological liar"

Unlike Biden who drove a tractor trailer, got arrested with Nelson Mandela, never once spoke to his adult son about his business, beat up a drug kingpin named Corn Pop in a fight, even though Corn Pop had a chain, said the GOP wants to put blacks back in chains, said he has been arrested multiple times while marching for civil rights (maybe he thinks he's Rosa Parks). But honesty is really, really important to you, when it comes to POTUS.

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"annihilate corporate income taxes which many reviews said did nothing in the trickle down sense and corporations were holding the cash"

And you just accept that? You accept it when your side says that employees aren't better off when companies can keep way more of their profits? Employees aren't better off when their companies are instantly much more valuable? Companies aren't more likely to invest in growth when the math of a cost-benefit analysis changes, because companies can keep 79% of profit instead of 65%? You really believe that?

I got news for you and your Komrades, Bryan. Not all companies are sinister and evil. I've worked for Liberty Mutual, Aetna, Travelers, and The Hartford, all massive companies. All treated their employees fairly (some were better than others), all gave a lot of money and time to local communities, all were good corporate citizens. They weren't charitable organizations to be sure, but they weren't diabolical as the Galactic Empire either. And even though I now work in a cubicle and not a corner office, I know I'm far, far better off when my company makes more money, than I am when it makes less money. The more money my company makes, the better off I am.

When Paul, Pete, Wayne, Spence imply otherwise, it's funny to me. It's sad to me that you'd say something so unbelievably and profoundly stupid, just for partisan political reasons.

Not every cent of extra profit went to the rank and file. Nor should it. The rank and file didn't put up their own capital to start the company, taking incredible risk. But some of that extra money obviously makes its way to the rank and file, some obviously gets invested in growth, meaning more jobs.

Just because Joy Behar, or even Paul Krugman say something Brian, doesn't mean it's true.

Gimme an effing break.

....:laugha:

Dark Brandon's vice president accused him of some pretty awful things....

that's spence's line....

see......hate.....

Why I Hate President Trump
Rodney Wilson
Feb 15, 2017

"Conservative Republicans would have crucified our former philosopher-president, Barack Obama, for behavior that even resembled that of our schoolyard bully president, Donald Trump. Where is their outrage now? President Turmp is not making America great again. He’s making America ugly again. But Republicans, who created this president in their laboratory of anger and resentment, will use President Trump as long as he’ll sign his John Hancock to their legislation."

I don't deny math when it suits me politically.

Also saw that Steven Spielgberg, our moral superior who spends much time lecturing everyone to limit their carbon emissions, has spent over $115,000 on fuel for his private jet, just this summer, jut in the last 2 months. But I'm supposed to make sacrifices.

So if we all lived like him, and if the environmentalists were right, where would we be? Denver would be underwater and Nome, Alaska would be exporting pineapples.

I'd just note that it's the resident leftists here that routinely resort to expletive laced rants, hyperbolic name calling and....didn't internet tough guy Paul try to fight someone here fairly recently?....too funny....

you say things like this when you're out of intellectual ammo Paul, which happens to you quite frequently.

Bryan was (is?) literally the only liberal here capable of showing intellectual honesty. Literally the only one. But when someone says that employees don't benefit when american companies are much more profitable, that is someone who is chugging the Kool Aid. Only 2 kinds of people can say that. Either one has absolutely no clue what happens at most American companies, or one is willing to flat out lie when the truth doesn't serve their political agenda. If there's a third alternative, sorry but I don't know what it is. I was disappointed to hear him say that, and that's a compliment to him, not an insult. We expect precisely that from the rest, because that's all you do.

he's pretty awesome...:kewl:

And you two are the shinning stars of the right, to funny.

I never said that, but I can praise or criticize either side when it's warranted. You can't.

too

I got news for you and your Komrades, Bryan

Bryan was (is?) literally the only liberal here capable of showing intellectual honesty.

sadly you have no concept of intellectual honesty. but please keep thinking you do and you are intellectual honest ....

You still haven't noticed! Have you... that most of your responses and Post are so twisted with lies and half truths and so outlandish ..

It's the only reason people even respond .... because we live in reality actually go places see the world for what it is .. Not just what Fox news tells us what the world looks like ..

And the proof of this fantasy is the ignorant claim that red state Americans look more like real Americans then Dem states ...

while you lived in a Blue state for 40 years :laugha:


PS texas 52.06% 5,890,347 are Republicans 46.48% 5,259,126 Dems welcome to the real world

Actually I find you such a scummy person that I don't like being around you so after a few back and forths I usually stop. If you think that is winning, so be it.

So you do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?

resorting to the Detbuch(and others) strategy....insult him, tell him he doesn't belong here...high horse sanctimony....

classic....

need the other muppets to pile on...this should be fun

"Actually I find you such a scummy person that I don't like being around you so after a few back and forths I usually stop. If you think that is winning, so be it. "

It mutual Paul. So we can drop it or keep bringing it up.

"do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?"

Friends? No, not among current active members. I used to, not any more, my friends bailed on the site. Does that make you a superior human being? Maybe. Anyway I have fished with several captains here as charter guests - Cohen (several times), Fishbucket (several times), Rich Wood, . Ask any of them if they think I'm scummy. Ask the guy here I never met but I gave a never-used Habs needle to, if he thinks I'm scummy.

Paul, if it's scummy to not like someone who, among other things, says it's OK to call people "retard" who disagree with him, then call me scummy, or whatever you want. I like the air on my side of the aisle where we'd never use that word to slander an innocent and special person. But of course you, being liberal, are above being accused of moral shortcomings. Even when doing something that everyone except you and Archie Bunker would say is deeply hateful.

I stand by my comment that it's very, very stupid to deny that it's generally good for American workers when American companies are much more profitable. If I say "workers tend to do better when their employers are much more profitable", if the left wants to deny that because a Republican who they hate made companies more profitable and therefore helped workers, that's your right. And it's my right to laugh at the stupidity of that. And again, it's a compliment to Bryan, not an insult, that I was sad to see him fall into that trap.

Carry on...

Honesty is being able to admit facts that don't help your side. Are you seriously going claim that you regularly do that? Really?

"most of your responses and Post are so twisted with lies"

Remind us, which one of us said the Minneapolis teachers contract had no racial implications? Who was it who said that? Me or you?

So should I use the word impecile like you do? Or say the vile things about woman's look like you used to do constantly (I'll give you credit you don't do that as much any more).