FYI, it looks like NY is going to opt for two fish, one in a 28-34 slot and another over 38 (or so) inches, for all recreational anglers.

A personal decision based on beliefs is one thing . An organized effort to put people out of business that don't agree with your certain group is wrong .
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Un #^&#^&#^&#^&ing believable, you want to keep two schoolies because all the big fish moved to the eez. Nope, no issue with the stocks. And if there weren't issues with the stock, any charter that "doesn't suck" should have no trouble catching a decent fish. So the captain either sucks, or the stock is in trouble. So if you don't believe the stock is in trouble, well then you must suck
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Let me get this straight. The first fish can only be between. 28-34 inches and not above 38 and the second can only be over 38?
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Not as good as 1 @ 28" but not as bad as some of the options that have been mentioned. At least they have the same regulations for all recreation anglers (no special treatment for charters) and they offer some protection for larger fish with one of the fish needing to be under 34".

Doesn't sound right to me either .
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Here's what I found:


STRIPED BASS (MARINE WATERS)

Length: 1 @ 28" - 40", a 2nd >40" Creel limit: 2 Season: April 15 - December 15
Special Conditions:
Marine Waters - South of George Washington Bridge. Recreational anglers may possess one striped bass between 28" and 40", and one additional striped bass over 40

If that's the case, because the word "or" isn't in there, that means the first fish can only be a slot fish. And the second one can only be a trophy.

So you are screwed if your first fish is a 50 pounder. ;)
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Congratulations, charter, for hires, commercials you are now free to eradicate the species. What are you going to destroy next? Cant get to fresh water its managed by the dept. of the interior not the dept. of commerce. Looks like the special interests will prevail over the will of the people.

Those are the current (2014) NY regulations. They have had a slot fish and a "trophy" fish for awhile.

Sounds like New York's proposal for 2015 is one fish between 28 - 34" and one fish over 38" (or whatever length ASMFC will agree gives them the 25% reduction).

Every individual has the right and final say to spend his money as he sees fit. We have had an organized effort here in RI by the Party and Charter Boat Assn to hold a private meeting with our state rep without anyone else's knowledge or notification. This is still a representative democracy where the majority elects the representatives to make the laws. Not a private club of lobbyists.

The tackle shops and tackle dealers that make their money and employ people by serving the inshore and shore fishing sectors have been hurt financially, the fly shops and guides have been hurt or are out of business, and a good number of Charter captain's see a stronger long term business plan with the one-fish option. These groups see the push for a two-fish option as a near-sighted organized effort during private meetings putting them out of business as a byproduct of the speculation of a quick buck.

It is my understanding based on the asmfc's math, that the only difference between option A&B is a small percentage.
Whereas one option is giving a 31% outcome and the other has a 29% outcome.
Now I understand that there will be mathematical differences if one group picks a different option than another group. so lets call it a 10% or maybe even 15% difference in that case.
If what your asking is will the "special group" live and die by the percentage difference they opted for? then I don't see why not.
However If you are equating 2 fish as a 100% increase and difference based on simply that 2 is 100% more than 1, Then no.
We all agree that 2 fish is more than 1 fish, but based on the options we are shown, it is not the same percentage.

Sorry. I assume the new regs have not been published.

Kind of what you said about the site
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isn't this an example of the split regs?
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...3&d=1420829068

Kind of.

Bottom line killing two fish is worse for the population than killing one. It seems obvious to anyone who is not going to profit from the death/ harvesting of those fish. As Winston Churchill put it "there are lies, dammed lies, and statistics." Those who hide behind those stats are not fooling anyone

No one said first fish has to be in the slot, the first fish could be the trophy and the second fish in the slot. Besides, as a practical matter, there would be no practical way to enforce it, if the first fish had to be the slot fish.

Regarding NY...MRAC looks like it's going that way as a recommendation...if the science says it works. Note that the above 28-34 vs 28-40 and 36,37, 38 or even 40 min depending on the scientists vs 40+ (existing reg) is basically no change. So if they say 10-20-30% reduction you know they are smoking something ! Then ASMFC has to weigh the advice. If it goes 2 fish anywhere and less than 25% on catch not quota we are all going Bluefishing sooner than planned.:af:

One more note on this subject. The "certainty" or degree of accuracy on all of the split proposals goes way down. So the 50% chance of overall success is gone and we are left with a WAG.
So that's what the math will be.

I also don't see how NY is much of a reduction over current size guidelines. It seems almost similar
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The MRAC already voted that as their recommendation.

Anyone go to any of the meetings the last couple days?

You are correct. The actual min size of the "trophy" is TBD by the scientists. But the ASMFC can still ignore the recommendations of the MRAC. It's going to come down to (someone/group within MRAC or DEC) demonstarting that doing just about what we did in past years will suddenly and magically produce a reduction in mortality. But with all of this petty two fish support from special interests my guess is 2 fish it will be. I hope not. Very sad and discouraging.
Incidentally, because I fish very actively in NY where we see a lot of urban guys as well as LI guys out there fishing plugs, bait and wait etc. I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that everyone thinks the 2014 regs say 2@28+. Most don't know or they just ignore the 1@28+ and another at 40+.

It looks like the ASMFC has put out the agenda for next months winter meeting. The agenda each states conservation equivalency plans outlined. IT seems like a lot of New England states are using MRIP landings data as the base for their recreational reduction calculations.

http://www.asmfc.org/files/Meetings/...dBassBoard.pdf

Start reading on page 97.

"The data presented in Tables 1-3 clearly identifies that a 30% reduction will result from the private and
shore modes and a 28% reduction will result from the for-hire modes resulting in an average reduction of
29%.
 RI will explore the possibility of implementing mandatory trip-level reporting for the for-hire mode should
this proposal be approved."

So, all of the coastal states, except for Maine and NH. have a two fish option on the table.

I had to get the post count off 666 or all the fish just might end up going the way of the narwhal
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If I read the document right it looks like CT prefers 1&28 across the board nd is only looking at a two fish option for the for hire boats if RI gets it so that the two stares can share the same regulations.
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I believe VA and NC have 1 fish but they are not major considerations quantity wise, although they do get to vote.

A few words on the process.

States have already submitted to ASMFC all the options they are considering. In two weeks the ASMFC armed with ASMFC Technical Committee advice, the ASMFC will approve the options the states have submitted...or will not approve.

Then each state completes its individual process and set its regulations.

For example, MA submitted all of the options that went to public hearing. Each of the options were evaluated and IF they are approved at the ASMFC meeting, then a week later the MA Marine Fisheries Commission will hear a presentation from Director Diodati and give him a recommendation on what options to implement for MA.

fYI

I don,t know who if anyone is going ... But S/M >>RISSA .has modified their stance on THIS ..... [they feel it would be unfair not to allow the charter industry in RI to be allowed to take 2 bass per person ....REASONING [$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ] <<RISSA sponcers /// but verbly ... it would hurt RI because all the other states are going with 2 fish ///////meeting tomorrow as if it hasn,t already been decided :wid:

Bummer. I read the RISAA statement, and I don't agree with it for all the obvious reasons. The real fault rests with the ASMFC for allowing any exception to the one fish at 28" for anyone. Ironically, the guys going out on a charter probably don't even own a fishing rod, while the average rec guys spends plenty on their gear (if the economic issue is a factor in addition to striper conservation). RISAA's concession is that the captain and his mates not be allowed to keep their two bass. You're right Clammer; it's all about money, but in a myopic way.

very disappointing... but I cant say I'm surprised.

That's odd. I'm a member of RISAA and I've never been polled about this from them. All RISAA members that I know are opposed to two bass for charters, and lots of us are charter captains as well.

I probably won't renew my membership.

from the front page or RISSA's December newsletter

"At its November meeting, RISAA’s Legislative Committee
voted to ask RISAA Board of Directiors to send a letter to the
ASMFC and to Rhode Island’s commissioners to hold fast to
the "one-fish at 28 inches" rule and insist that any
“environmental equivalency” be equal to the same one-fish
reduction level of 31% and not at the 25% level that was proposed
when other options were presented to fishermen. "


from their November Newsletter

"The coastal recreational fishery harvest will be reduced by
implementing a one fish bag limit while keeping a 28”
size limit. Under Amendment 6, states may use conservation
equivalency to develop state-specific measures that are different
than a one fish bag limit and 28” size limit for their coastal
fisheries but still achieve a 25% reduction in harvest"

• Steve Medeiros, RISAA president, reported “While not a major
win for striped bass, the ASMFC Striped Bass Management
Board yesterday took steps in the right direction.”

today,,, RISAA: Realizing that the charter boats in all coastal states will be getting two fish for their customers, the RISAA board has determined it would be unfair to RI's charter boats to be restricted to one fish per customer. This would hurt the charter industry and the RI economy. But conserving striped bass is still important.

Steve Medeiros
per RISAA Board of Directors



quite an about face....

Roger , RISSA is made up of XXxx number of Fishing clubs ... etc , etc , etc . they have ONe highly paid president that has been being pounded ever since He came out against the 2 fish for charter captains ..who are the main sponcers of RISSA........ Do you REALLY think you have any say on what RISSA votes for ><><again its about the MONEY :hidin:


Today he said they changed their minds because all the others states are going with 2 fish for the charter industry ..the last I n heard & I could be wrong ... they were waiting of what RI does .....either way :does 2 .or 3 wrongs make a right ....................... they than say all the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^& want .......... but 2 fish dead is more than one fish dead & it will help have a negative effect of the fishery >>.:bs::nailem::nailem:

Bummer... :doh:

Exemptions for special interest groups. :wave:

Wow